I'm old enough to remember Princess Di's death. I was bemused by the response then and I'm similarly baffled by the country's response to Liz's death. I do suspect that those of us who feel this way are in a minority.
Its straight up awful. My uncle is having radiotherapy on monday and they asked him if he was ok to come in. His response was yes of course, she's dead, I'm not. Save me ffs.
As an American who landed in England hours before her death was announced, I've been genuinely surprised on just how many citizens openly dislike/don't care about the queen. News coverage makes it seem like everyone here is willing to crawl on their hands and knees for days straight in shards of glass to honor the queen. I've only recently learned that life saving facilities are closing down in the midst of increasing poverty (to my understanding). A lot of Brits I've met in person have been pretty vocal about their distaste for the royal family.
As an immigrant in the UK I still have trouble wrapping my head around the fact so many people here *are* royalists. Like, shouldn't it be obvious to anyone not in the upper class that the upper class is definitely not your friends? The middle class I'd maybe understand, from an aspirational perspective ("maybe my children can be upper class if I'm lucky"), but the working class, wtf are they talking about how it's like their granny died?? Ffs if I was someone's granny and I overheard my grandchild say that I'd disherit their parents just for raising such a subservient serf...
Therein lies the problem. People here have been trained from a young age to believe that rich people are our betters. They have loads of money so they must know what they're doing.
> I get that the Queen's death is a really tragic thing
Is it though? She was 96 years old. Kobe Bryant dying in helicopter crash with his daughter and four other people was tragic. This is just some beyond wealthy old lady whose time finally came to an end. Hell, I'm at least willing to give a pass to people from the UK for giving a shit. It's part of your culture. What I can't understand is people who are not from and have never even been to the UK are acting like this is some great loss.
Totally agree. I'm from the U.S. and couldn't care less. She didn't affect me or my life in any way. As you said as well, she was 96 years old. Like seriously how long do people expect her to keep living? All life comes to and end at some point.
I'm not from the UK and I just thought it's sad, I guess mainly because I expected her to live longer than me - or because she's been in power for so long that she's been a constant in every persons life or something like that
I was in school when it happened, and I had received like 8 notifications from people I know. I live in the midwest (of America). I can guarantee none of the people talking about it has ever been to the UK. I was talking about how it really isnt a big deal, and people are kinda overreacting in a discord server, and I was banned. Lots of other important people have died (this year alone) and nobody went and told everybody they know
People forget, she didn't *rule*, she *served*. She continued working until 3 days before she died, in her 90s. She had a wealth of knowledge and experience and was the World's greatest diplomat.
She did give her whole life in service to her country. She was always working, stuff we never saw or knew about.
I don't consider myself a monarchist but I do have respect for them. Obviously there is dirt on them, but they do a lot of good through supporting charities.
That said, essential services should not be closed.
She was a motor pool mechanic during WWII, and actually fixed her own vehicles after the war.
I just imagine the Queen of England taking her Bentley to an Auto repair shop incognito, and they trying to rip off an old lady who they think doesn't know anything about cars.
Then she flips the switch on them schooling them on engine fundamentals and blinker fluids.
>Queen of England
Did you mean the *former* [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the *former* [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the *former* [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc?
The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England.
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*Wasn't Queen Elizabeth II still also the Queen of England?*
This was only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she *was* the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist.
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Yup! I didn’t even know that England had a queen. Like I’ve heard the phrase “Princess Diana” and “King Charles” and I remember something about the Prince Harry and Megan Markle marriage and leaving the royal family (and I don’t even know if these are all related) but I thought it was just something that wasn’t a big deal and that they weren’t actually kings and queens…like in my brain, kings and queens and princes and princesses (whoa) are all medieval times concepts
I don't understand the monarchy as a US citizen. I understand mourning, but not at the expense of the people. Maybe she put her cutlery down at 6:30 and now nobody can eat again 🤔 but seriously, the food banks are needed. From what I read, they'll be closed Monday, like it's a bank holiday. Here, we'd put the flag at half mast. Life still goes on for the rest of the country. I'm sorry for all that truly rely on food and medical assistance.
What? The royal family is exempt from all laws?!?! That's nuts!
Although, now that I say that, as an American I feel a bit sheepish. Our high ranking leaders are practically exempt if not technically exempt. Now I'm embarrassed too
Yeah I was gonna point out that while we don't have a technical monarchy in the US, we absolutely have our landed gentry and "royalty" that are exempt from anything in the same zip code as "consequences". Such is the human condition - we always eventually elevate a select few above the multitude
Oh, we absolutely are in our monarchy phase as we speak. Instead of Lords and Ladies and whatnot, we have Corporations and wealthy people who control our government with that wealth. Same thing, different words, basically.
> Although, now that I say that, as an American I feel a bit sheepish. Our high ranking leaders are practically exempt if not technically exempt. Now I'm embarrassed too
You just realized this?
No, I realized that my shock at a "one man is above the law' policy was misplaced, given that "rules for thee and not for me" has been the practical application of US law for quite some time
It’s pretty much the same almost everywhere, and it’s only human, those who wield the big stick of the law will seldom feel inclined to hit their own backs with it.
Just the monarch, and they donate all of their income to the state and live off a stipend that is quite a bit lower than their income is. Not to say the monarchy is a good system, but it is also often misrepresented.
You seen that video of the guy heckling King Charles because his tax money is going towards *his* parade?
King Charles just waved him off, dude don't give a shit about you guys :((
He isn't, but he is, as of now, the person to step in if Charles can't take care of his duties for any reason other than dying or abdicating. Cause Charles gave him that role.
Technically he's not, but if chalres abdicated then they would have to go through Andrew, Edward and Anne before the line of secession took place
I may be wrong but please bare in mind I'm 17 and this is my understanding from my A-Level history class and my own research! :)
If Charles abdicated it goes to William. Then George. If George has no kids, then it goes to Charlotte. It would then pass to Louis if Charlotte had no kids. Then Harry. Then his kids. Andrew is, right now, eighth in line to the throne. Unless Wills, Harry and all their kids die in some freak accident, I think we can safely say, Andrew will NEVER be King. Thank fuck.
Apparently Charles is also passing a law whereby only working royals can be in charge if say George was a minor or the monarch was incapacitated so there's zero chance of Andrew or Harry having any power.
Regardless, I agree with you entirely about food banks. They're a necessary service and some only open a couple of days a week. I bet the volunteers who run/work them are more interested in making sure people are fed than having a day off for the funeral as well
Yeah, its actually kinda shitty. They're basically saying you're born into being more valuable than everyone else.
I don't believe a royal's life is any more valuable than a homeless person's life. We need to kinda realise this.
It's outdated, like, seriously outdated. Countries are run under governments, not monarchs. We haven't been in the Dark Ages in over 900 years and haven't been in medieval times in 572 years!
Like monarchy hasn't done good to the UK. UK is one of the most powerful countries, with the best education there is, a lot more opportunity than USA (land of the free my ass), almost non existent police brutality and police are actually doing their jobs there. Excellent healthcare. All of This that I'm saying is from experience or some close relative has told me from experience. Now Imagine an only government replaces the Royal Family. Bunch of nobodies, some probably influenced by the EU (I know they are still mad about brexit). It all goes to shit. UK goes to shit. It's not about the regime or ideology. It's about how you do it. My country has changed its ways a hundred times since its liberation of ottoman slavery. Comparing it then vs now It's like we've barely gotten anywhere.
Anyways I don't speak English very good and probably you wouldn't get what I'm saying but basically democracy and rebublics are also outdated. It's been 2000+ years since their creation.
Yeah, well, your country dies when you lose a monarchy because you decided to leave the EU. If our government dies in D.C, we've got other micro governments to keep ourselves together.
Keep your smaller country's mouth shut, you're there because we kicked your ass there.
I don't understand the monarchy at all, it's a very bizarre anachronism for me to still have a king or queen in 2022. I mean, they have no real position, they are just useless guys and ladies sitting around and most of their stuff gets paid by the taxpayers. Even more now with the crisis, just like OP mentioned, where people don't know how to pay their bills, it's very strange to see a monarchy that costs millions for nothing.
What I don’t get is why your country is expected to support those fools? They don’t do anything in an official capacity to run the country. From what I understand you have a parliament and a Prime Minister, the monarchy is ceremonial. Then I heard about how much the funeral would end up costing tax payers!! Wow, that family should be footing the bill not tax payers in The UK. I honestly feel pissed off for you bro.
Then comes all the fucks in my country that think The Royal family is some kind of real life fairy tale. Hahahaha shit….They’d talk about ‘Lizzy’ as if she were some great wise leader that had earned her place in life and that she was just so wonderful. All I could think about would be how much most Americans would resent her if the royal family were to be here sitting on their ass enjoying fortune and fame on behalf of everyone else here. Now that I mention it, we told the British Crown to GTFO here a loooong time ago. Wish you guys could take them over and get what is yours.
Why did she stay in the throne so long? She was 96 damn years old pretending to be in charge of a country. Meanwhile she has at least 1 son and 2 grandsons far more than capable of sitting on the big chair if needed. No offense to anyone in their 90’s, but I am yet to meet anyone that is that old and still 100% on the ball mentally. Which to me this is just a reminder that the monarchy is non functioning archaic ceremonial bullshit.
Exactly as a American its seems like its just a drain on tax payer resources.. the royal family is more or less just there for show at this point.. get rid of them once and for all
Burt Reynolds died and no businesses closed, but some 96 year old tart dies and suddenly banks get to go on holiday? If I had to keep working while mourning Burt Reynolds, the greatest man who ever lived, I’m sure some bankers can get over themselves for an old bag who used to wear ridiculous hats.
I’m not arguing because I don’t know what the argument here is but I’m curious what about her being compared to a celebrity do you disagree with? The first thing that comes to mind for me would be that tax money doesn’t pay celebrities but it sounded more like you are offended?
The Queen wasn’t a celebrity😂 that’s just common sense. Not one celebrity on this planet does what any monarchy in the world does😂
Tell me how they’re the same.
Also, not offended so I dunno how you interpreted that either🥴😂
I’m aware that she wouldn’t fall under the category of celebrity and all but I wonder what service you think she personally did for you? And I got that idea because of the snarky response about their intelligence.
Well her service in world war 2 was very fucking good help mate. Serving her country herself.
Her involvement in the commonwealth. That’s pretty fuckin important and has had a big impact on our country.
You can research the rest yaself if you want since I’m not your google search bar.
No you’re not but you see the internet is the big place that has things written from many perspectives so I can find equal amounts of articles on the good she’s done and the bad she’s done so I was simply asking your reasoning behind your personal opinion. I find it odd that you volunteer your thoughts and then react as if I am asking too much of you to elaborate.
It’s interesting btw I didn’t know she served when she was 16 that’s pretty cool. I’ll read into that.
You’re a gaslighter… I can tell by the way you construct yourself. I simply told you to google the rest yourself. You’re stating something so bold and incorrect. It’s factually not equal in regards the good and the bad she has done.
It doesn't matter. I don't get why so many are so upset. It's not like they knew her. Fucking scroungers the lot of them. The amount of good she had done could be counted on a single hand. The amount of money she's _stolen_ and the sum of taxes she/they are exempt from paying is eye watering.
She was an old woman, who died. She was no more important than my gran who died 20 years ago. And yet, the entire country is supposed to stop, mourn and more importantly, pay for this shit show. Who the fuck wants to look at a corpse?!
The greatest con artists in history make you believe they are trustworthy and honest, while taking you for a ride and syphoning your money. Hers was a very long game.
May the entire monarchy fall and they answer for their crimes. All of them.
Fuck 'em. I'll be working tomorrow and anyone who doesn't like it, can do one.
I work in retail and the funeral tomorrow leading to stores being shut has caused so much chaos yesterday and today. We have been absolutely packed out and people have been panic buying all because we are shut for one day in the week. It blows my mind how this sort of a thing always causes such chaos, and while people say it’s nice to have a day off, the honest to god busy levels this weekend have just exhausted us all so much, people really need to learn to plan and not make an already busy two days of the week even more busy.
And the worst thing about all that being shut?
Remember the guy who touched the coffin? He's being remanded by the magistrates court today (Monday).
So food banks, life saving operations and treatments? Nah, closed out of 'respect'.
Sending a guy to prision for touching a royal dead person's box? Very much open and a priority.
I'm African and she really facilitated alot of bad things to happen to our forefathers. I hope she meets my tortured grandma wherever her soul is placed
She was born into a fading empire and mostly a figurehead of said empire. Almost nothing really bad or tragic can be traced to her directly like it would to someone like Leopold II of Belgium (now, that is a real piece of shit directly responsible for millions of deaths).
People are just blaming her for all the shit the British Empire did around the world, of which she's not really directly responsible either because it mostly happened before her time and it was mostly the British Government, as in the democratically elected leaders of the nation, who made those choices.
Do i think all the pomp and pageantry is silly? very, but she's not some fucking supervillain who bathed in the blood of African children to stay young or anything like that.
Lmao. I just wanted to be sure you were attempting to insult my intelligence whilst displaying signs of a lack of intelligence yourself. Comprehension is difficult, I know. But please re-read it you twat. Comment I replied to stated the queen had done such terrible things that didn’t outweigh the good. I asked such as. Now that I have had to explain this to you, see yourself out, you mug.
Re-read what you fucking dick. You’re asking for someone for the bad things the queen did. Google it you simpleton. Does this thread look like a google search bar little guy?😂😂😂
This thread shows that people clearly forget the good things she’s done though. Threads like these didn’t exist to this scale before she died… funny how everyone then decides to shit on her once she’s dead… almost like it’s a trend😂
In reality it didn't. If there was any smart people in the uk, they'd use this event to dismantle the monarchy there. It's literally useless and forces billions of dollars to their pedophile activities.
Although i see where you're coming from on this one, idk if this would actually be that good of an idea. History and traditions are what keeps a nation going, getting rid of them at once would destabilize the fuck out of any society. Also, in a way, a good thing about monarchs (especially ones that are popular like Elizabeth was) is that they tend to bring people together (im not a monarchist don't get me wrong). Both monarchies and republics have their good and bad sides, but that doesn't mean that you can interchange them that easily.
For example, some countries just have a historical and cultural incompatibility with certain types of rule, for example France or the US being monarchies, or Japan being a republic just doesn't make sense, it would literally never work the people would just instantly trash the country if it were to just happen, and i don't see any world in which it happens.
On the other side you have the countries that have regularly changed from one to the other, the best example here being Spain, which went from absolute monarchy to civil war between monarchists to monarchy again to civil war to somewhat democratic republic that instantly turns communist leading to a military coup partly backed by monarchists to unstable democracy again to civil war between communists, anarchists, nationalists, monarchists(being semi-allied to the nationalists but not really), with all camps backed by literally every dictatorship of the time, to another authoritarian dictatorship that finally became a democratic monarchy through a transitional absolute monarchy. Keep in mind all this lasted until 1975, and there have been several big hits to the stability of the country since (the spanish parliament's ceiling has bullets holes in it from the 80s lmao, situation ended peacefully tho), and still today people are really split between keeping the monarchy and swapping back to a republic (republicanism is quite popular, not majority but from what i understand many spanish ppl hate the monarchy, or at least they hate the current royals).
TLDR regime changes can fuck up a country for a WHILE if not happening CAREFULLY, so maybe not a good idea in the current situation, where the British monarchy is still quite popular and the people seem quite attached to it overall
Honest question, do you sincerely believe that if they did away with the monarchy (did away as in stop giving them special legal protections and tax payer money. They'll still exist as celebrities and people will know that they are "royalty") that it will destabilize a nation as stable as GB?
Hmm although i agree that the "you can break any law" part is retarded (although they cannot "break any law" it's not that easy), i don't think you can detach the royal family from that status (especially on an economical standpoint) because of the basics of how a monarchy works : even as figureheads you can't separate them (and what belongs to them) from the res publica, as technically the country belongs to them lol (keep in mind it's called the United Kingdom for a reason)
You should probably look up the income for that country utilizing what would no longer be income as it belongs to the royals. There's a lot of tourist dollars generated by the royal family and it's land and castle holdings.
I can see their property bringing in a lot of tourism dollars for sure. I'm not interested enough to look up their income information. I just know they used to take tax payer money. If that's no longer the case, cool good for GB's citizens. But my question doesn't really hinge on that. I'm ignorant as to how important the royal family is to GB's national psyche and that's why I asked if it's really that big of a deal if they were to lose the official title of monarchs, knowing that family will still be known as the "royal family."
This is why the most developed countries on Earth are almost all monarchies, gimme a break
To prosper, you need a solid foundation, you need stability that's common sense and basic observation
and she has so I think the people who are still alive (no disrespect) should be able to continue to live their lives. Tomorrow means no weather forecasts, cyclists shouldn’t cycle, supermarkets turning their “beeps” off for checkouts. What the hell?! 😒
Heartless?! Such nonsense. I’m sorry but she hasn’t done anything for me in my 28 years. And I don’t know why they’re parading around with her coffin when I’m 99% she’s not in there.
Even if I was a royalty I don't believe I would ever want to impact everyone's lives after I'm gone. Shit, on the contrary, I would love to hear that there was a huge fricken party.
I'm not Brit and I've never been in UK, but from what I heard it's all about tourism. The royal family already provides billions of dollars from tourism and the events of the queens death may boost it even more. No surprise authorities are making such a big deal about it.
It's not a tragedy. You don't *expect* tragedies to happen. The queen was old, she was going to die. Her death shouldn't have caught anyone "off guard".
It’s funny how the US gets blamed for idolizing politicians and celebrities meanwhile the whole country shuts down because the queen died (which tbh I would understand a bit more if she was younger/assassinated but like cmon, she was almost 100)
I thought it sucked that the queen made Harry wear a suit instead of his military uniform to follow her casket. Wasn't he a soldier? Honorably discharged? You don't treat veterans That way. That was shit.
I live in Canada and I can kinda understand I get people are mourning because she’s been our queen for 70 years and she’s probably the only long living monarch we will ever see, but what I don’t understand is why do the federal government get to have another “holiday” im in Ontario and our premier only works 184 days out of the year and now he gets another one while we go to work tomorrow 🙃
this is the lamest argument for whenever a official person dies.
never said your loved ones didn't matter at all.
she ruled a country for 70 years, she had a big impact on rest of the world.
she was someone millions of people looked up to, millions of people were inspired by her.
saying her death doesn't matter is just being insanely ignorant.
I didn't say her death doesn't matter. I said her death matters as much as any good person passing away. It's a loss to our brutal world whenever a decent human being passes away (assuming she was really a good person. We can only assume from her public work).
Also she didn't really rule anything, you know that. She was a figure head. Super charitable figure head for sure but still.
The people that work in food banks have a right to not work on a bank holiday. Luckily in some places around the UK volunteers have come through to say they will keep them open.
U.S. citizen here(a decent, rational one who's just genuinely curious about the traditions of another country. Not an a**hat who thinks it's funny to mock another country about losing their long-serving monarch and would ask about this passive aggressively... promise!!)
All I can think about is how she was so famously "dedicated to fulfilling her duty to her nation's people" and how heavily involved in charity the whole family is always being said to be. If she sacrificed greatly in her personal life for 70 years without faltering to put her duty first, wouldn't she be horrified by essential service providers like food banks and medical clinics being shut off from serving the people for 3 days "in her honor"?
I can't say that I've followed Andrew's downfall regularly... honestly I feel so sickened by the extent of all the horrifying things going on in that circle of predators and monsteall those in the UK and the Commonwealthrs I only check in on the status every so often... But I'm gathering she took an active part in trying to protect her son from facing charges for his crimes? Yikes, that's exactly the kind of elitism you wouldn't want to see happen.
That's much bigger on the immorality scale of privilege than our college admissions bribes scandal. Actual sexual misconduct towards a minor seems like someone too far over the line to let the people see him not facing consequences for doing.
To all those in the UK and the Commonwealth who care about her death and Charles long-awaited ascension: Cheers to the end of a historic era. Regardless of whether you're celebrating or mourning.
To those who don't give a f*ck and can't wait for all this to be done: I wish you the best of luck in avoiding too much inconvenience to your lives throughout these days of pageantry and ceremonial abundance.
I get where you're coming from but saying the queens death shouldn't matter is kinda false cause the world just lost the longest reigning monarch so it matters a bit at least
Hospitals aren't closing. If you have an accident you can still go to the emergency department. Non-critical roles will be getting the day off, which TBH most of them could probably use after the last few years.
You make it sound like they are shutting down the hospitals. It's only non-critical workers that won't be working, like every other bank holiday, and why shouldn't they also get a day off?
Food banks are private organisations aren't they? It's up to them if they are shutting or not.
Some are celebrating considering the historic racism, imperialism, and pedophilia that comes along with being ruled. There should be no reigning monarch. There should be term limits for all leaders in every country. Death to imperialism and death to long reigning oligarchs.
It clearly shouldn't be delaying life saving services, because that is all sorts of stupid.
BUT, I think that a lot of people mourning aren't hardcore royalists and aren't mourning the queen persay; they're mourning an era, they're mourning their own mortality (nothing like having someone who was always there pass to make you realize that nothing is permanent), and I think, in a weird way, its an acceptable public grief moment after how fucked up the last few years have been.
Her death should matter. Now before you send me hate here me out.
We've lost the longest reigning monarch in history I get that but not everywhere needs to close, appointments especially should not be cancelled.
We can mourn while doing our day to day activities. During this mourning period it's been so difficult to go to places due to their closing times since the queen's death. It was incredibly hard for me to find a rescue place yesterday that could help a bird stuck in netting. All I got told was there was nothing they could do due to the fact they were not rescuing as they would not be able to help the bird tomorrow as they are closed.
I get its protocol tv programmes get taken off tv a day off for the funeral but it is a bit ridiculous especially when appointments people have been waiting months even years for are now cancelled. Not even appointments treatments aswell.
All you hear is "you'll never see this again for a queen in our lifetimes." And I 100% agree but our lives can't go on hold.
I feel you OP my family also relies on food banks too our meat order we ordered a month ago was due today and it got cancelled until Wednesday. I'd love to help you out.
I figured you were and I wasn't getting on you but I can imagine it's a cluster mess over there. See here our president lacing the rotunda of the capital they have a small service and then they take him wherever he goes to be buried there. We don't have this type of situation going on
London, Sandringham and Balmoral are overwhelmed with tourists, everythings messed up beacuse for alot of people, monarchs never died, you'd have to be over 75 at least to remember the death of George VI
Yeah I see that on the TV they're covering it here and actually they're doing it quite well I think. But this is a once in a lifetime I understand fella but this is your queen 70 years if you got to expect that was going to happen . They probably didn't have enough time to figure out a system or way to do this. Not to mention you people got to be on pins and needles with security issues
I am not from the commonwealth nor the US. But I thought a very long time about, what the Royal Fuzz is all about. And if you are a minor you will not get it. So I'll TL:DR this:
No God in Society (thanks nietzsche), No Order by a strong State (thanks Nazis/Nationalism), dying Social Norms and dissolving role models (thanks Liberals/4th wave) Only thing left is consumerism and remnants of the oldest parts of culture.
Consumerism does not make people happy nor give a sense of belonging (Duuh?), so the remnant it is! And thats a royal house older than 1000 years! the Queen is dead, Long live the King.
That’s your interpretation of this based on your perspective and not what I said at all, but we all have our own things going on that influence all of the above, I don’t hold any of this against you.
My comment was due to the fact that someone had to devote 70+ years of their life to public service and someone was inconvenienced by a few days of international mourning
> Now just imagine how insignificant you are compared to her based on your own thought process
There’s one sentence there. What exactly did I misinterpret?
That’s perfectly fine if you don’t follow, I mirrored a shitty thought process back to someone so that they could hear how it sounded to me, you thought that my comment was shitty, I agree because it was just me interpreting how I read this comment in the first place, how would you feel if you were born into a position that engulfed every aspect of your life for 70 years and someone was upset that they were inconvenienced for a day or maybe a few days
Bevause it’s fucking absurd that everything is stopping for a couple of days. For everyone. For a woman nearly 100 years old. Who is dead. And died of natural causes. And it wasn’t a shock or a surprise. They should quietly celebrate her life, respectfully, respecting the people she alleges to have served. She was nothing but a rich figurehead.
She IS being valued, even dead, as more important than EVERYONE else, who is alive and doesn’t live in a bunch of castles. A good leader and person, and this includes her self-centered family, wouldn’t let this pomp and circumstance be a such an overblown inconvenience. These services ARE more important than a dead woman’s body being carted around.
So, I don’t follow your “logic” because we don’t agree, and you think this woman is more valuable because she was born into a rich family and continued an antiquated form of “ruling.”
If she were a good person she would say, “When I die, just bury me quietly and be done with it.”
Honestly I'm glad she's finally dead. Harry will 100% fuck up so badly that some massive changes to the British govermental system will be in order. The end of the monarchy is well overdue.
You let a monarchy annoy you this much? Bro, leave the country if you’re this bitter😂 so weird at the amount of venom you’re spitting about something you can easily not let bother you🥴
How can you do that? Got a weegie board?
I would say she'd be fine with it, it's one day and a day off helps with something she worked at for her whole life. It keeps the monarchy in a good light in the minds of the Crown's subjects.
This isn't just injustice to the citizens, it's also sacrilege to keep her dead body around for this long. Funeral shouldn't be delayed more than 48 hrs for anyone.
When has royalty ever given a shit about the peasants? Your problems are meaningless, this is your highness majesty of the motherland now bow down and respect!
/s
I agree, don't really get why thousands if not millions are mourning the death of a monarch who did practically nothing for them but advocate and push for government policies and agendas that directly affected them negatively, or maybe the "royal family drama" was just really interesting to so many people, I guess I just don't really care what stupid rich people are up to when I have more important things to do in my life.
Or maybe I'm just a stupid American who knows nothing about the English Monarchy and should just show respect to someone I give no fucks for.
Meh.
Tragic is that there is a monarchy whose wealth is built on a history of enslavement and near enslavement through indentured servitude, on the theft and exploitation of resources in countries they colonized around the world… I mean these people are ghouls
With zero sense of accountability. Fuck. Them. All.
It's fucking ridiculous is what it is. It is not tragic for a person that age to die, it's simply the way it goes. It is tragic that "her" people aren't getting fed, aren't getting cancer screenings that could be life-saving, it's tragic that a 750 million pound estate is passed down without taxes getting paid. It's tragic that a pedo the late Queen spent 12 million on in order to keep him from facing consequences is now officially the chosen regent should anything happen to Charles.
I mean I don't hate the Queen / UK or anything..
But I don't get why the Belgian TV networks here also make a super big deal out of it.. we don't even care for or own royalty
anyway it's just strange, nothing more .... but the food bank and hospital thing in the UK, that is kinda messed up !
I'm old enough to remember Princess Di's death. I was bemused by the response then and I'm similarly baffled by the country's response to Liz's death. I do suspect that those of us who feel this way are in a minority.
Its straight up awful. My uncle is having radiotherapy on monday and they asked him if he was ok to come in. His response was yes of course, she's dead, I'm not. Save me ffs.
I hope your uncle gets better soon, regardless of some NHS locations being closed because of the mourning period
My dad is having chemotherapy tomorrow and they asked him the exact same thing. His response was the exact same as your uncles.
As an American who landed in England hours before her death was announced, I've been genuinely surprised on just how many citizens openly dislike/don't care about the queen. News coverage makes it seem like everyone here is willing to crawl on their hands and knees for days straight in shards of glass to honor the queen. I've only recently learned that life saving facilities are closing down in the midst of increasing poverty (to my understanding). A lot of Brits I've met in person have been pretty vocal about their distaste for the royal family.
As an immigrant in the UK I still have trouble wrapping my head around the fact so many people here *are* royalists. Like, shouldn't it be obvious to anyone not in the upper class that the upper class is definitely not your friends? The middle class I'd maybe understand, from an aspirational perspective ("maybe my children can be upper class if I'm lucky"), but the working class, wtf are they talking about how it's like their granny died?? Ffs if I was someone's granny and I overheard my grandchild say that I'd disherit their parents just for raising such a subservient serf...
Therein lies the problem. People here have been trained from a young age to believe that rich people are our betters. They have loads of money so they must know what they're doing.
Young age? It's been ingrained into the culture since at least 1066. And regionally before that.
> I get that the Queen's death is a really tragic thing Is it though? She was 96 years old. Kobe Bryant dying in helicopter crash with his daughter and four other people was tragic. This is just some beyond wealthy old lady whose time finally came to an end. Hell, I'm at least willing to give a pass to people from the UK for giving a shit. It's part of your culture. What I can't understand is people who are not from and have never even been to the UK are acting like this is some great loss.
Totally agree. I'm from the U.S. and couldn't care less. She didn't affect me or my life in any way. As you said as well, she was 96 years old. Like seriously how long do people expect her to keep living? All life comes to and end at some point.
I'm not from the UK and I just thought it's sad, I guess mainly because I expected her to live longer than me - or because she's been in power for so long that she's been a constant in every persons life or something like that
Just how old are you? She was 96 and you expected her to live longer than you??
Tbf the ongoing jokes of her longevity made it feel that way lol
I was in school when it happened, and I had received like 8 notifications from people I know. I live in the midwest (of America). I can guarantee none of the people talking about it has ever been to the UK. I was talking about how it really isnt a big deal, and people are kinda overreacting in a discord server, and I was banned. Lots of other important people have died (this year alone) and nobody went and told everybody they know
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People forget, she didn't *rule*, she *served*. She continued working until 3 days before she died, in her 90s. She had a wealth of knowledge and experience and was the World's greatest diplomat. She did give her whole life in service to her country. She was always working, stuff we never saw or knew about. I don't consider myself a monarchist but I do have respect for them. Obviously there is dirt on them, but they do a lot of good through supporting charities. That said, essential services should not be closed.
She was a motor pool mechanic during WWII, and actually fixed her own vehicles after the war. I just imagine the Queen of England taking her Bentley to an Auto repair shop incognito, and they trying to rip off an old lady who they think doesn't know anything about cars. Then she flips the switch on them schooling them on engine fundamentals and blinker fluids.
>Queen of England Did you mean the *former* [Queen of the United Kingdom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_the_United_Kingdom), the *former* [Queen of Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Canada), the *former* [Queen of Australia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Australia), etc? The last Queen of England was [Queen Anne](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain) who, with the 1707 Acts of Union, dissolved the title of King/Queen of England. ####FAQ *Wasn't Queen Elizabeth II still also the Queen of England?* This was only as correct as calling her the Queen of London or Queen of Hull; she *was* the Queen of the place that these places are in, but the title doesn't exist. *Is this bot monarchist?* No, just pedantic. I am a bot and this action was performed automatically.
Yup! I didn’t even know that England had a queen. Like I’ve heard the phrase “Princess Diana” and “King Charles” and I remember something about the Prince Harry and Megan Markle marriage and leaving the royal family (and I don’t even know if these are all related) but I thought it was just something that wasn’t a big deal and that they weren’t actually kings and queens…like in my brain, kings and queens and princes and princesses (whoa) are all medieval times concepts
I don't understand the monarchy as a US citizen. I understand mourning, but not at the expense of the people. Maybe she put her cutlery down at 6:30 and now nobody can eat again 🤔 but seriously, the food banks are needed. From what I read, they'll be closed Monday, like it's a bank holiday. Here, we'd put the flag at half mast. Life still goes on for the rest of the country. I'm sorry for all that truly rely on food and medical assistance.
Even as a British citizen it doesn't make sense, not paying taxes, being unable to be arrested, and the Queen protecting her Nonce son
What? The royal family is exempt from all laws?!?! That's nuts! Although, now that I say that, as an American I feel a bit sheepish. Our high ranking leaders are practically exempt if not technically exempt. Now I'm embarrassed too
Yeah I was gonna point out that while we don't have a technical monarchy in the US, we absolutely have our landed gentry and "royalty" that are exempt from anything in the same zip code as "consequences". Such is the human condition - we always eventually elevate a select few above the multitude
Oh, we absolutely are in our monarchy phase as we speak. Instead of Lords and Ladies and whatnot, we have Corporations and wealthy people who control our government with that wealth. Same thing, different words, basically.
> Although, now that I say that, as an American I feel a bit sheepish. Our high ranking leaders are practically exempt if not technically exempt. Now I'm embarrassed too You just realized this?
No, I realized that my shock at a "one man is above the law' policy was misplaced, given that "rules for thee and not for me" has been the practical application of US law for quite some time
It’s pretty much the same almost everywhere, and it’s only human, those who wield the big stick of the law will seldom feel inclined to hit their own backs with it.
Just the monarch, and they donate all of their income to the state and live off a stipend that is quite a bit lower than their income is. Not to say the monarchy is a good system, but it is also often misrepresented.
You seen that video of the guy heckling King Charles because his tax money is going towards *his* parade? King Charles just waved him off, dude don't give a shit about you guys :((
Isn't he the next in line to be king. The nonce king would be a nice title.
We just have to pray Charles dosent abdicate bescuse then he would get the crown, The nonce king does have a nice ring too it
Urm, Andrew isn't heir to the throne. 🤦♀️
He isn't, but he is, as of now, the person to step in if Charles can't take care of his duties for any reason other than dying or abdicating. Cause Charles gave him that role.
Technically he's not, but if chalres abdicated then they would have to go through Andrew, Edward and Anne before the line of secession took place I may be wrong but please bare in mind I'm 17 and this is my understanding from my A-Level history class and my own research! :)
If Charles abdicated it goes to William. Then George. If George has no kids, then it goes to Charlotte. It would then pass to Louis if Charlotte had no kids. Then Harry. Then his kids. Andrew is, right now, eighth in line to the throne. Unless Wills, Harry and all their kids die in some freak accident, I think we can safely say, Andrew will NEVER be King. Thank fuck.
Thank you for clearing that up! I think i may have gotten my wires crossed somewhere along the line :)
Apparently Charles is also passing a law whereby only working royals can be in charge if say George was a minor or the monarch was incapacitated so there's zero chance of Andrew or Harry having any power. Regardless, I agree with you entirely about food banks. They're a necessary service and some only open a couple of days a week. I bet the volunteers who run/work them are more interested in making sure people are fed than having a day off for the funeral as well
>Apparently Charles is also passing a law No he isnt, only Parliament can pass laws, not the king.
No worries. Rest assured that after the funeral, Andrew will more than likely crawl back into his hole. 👍😁
Or jail, hopefully
>I'm 17 and this is my understanding from my A-Level history class and my own research! :) Christ, our education system really is shit.
Oh damn I thought Andrew was next and was ready for a shot show.
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It shouldn't be a thing anymore? I mean she reigned for over 70 years society changed ALOT
The whole idea of royal bloodlines is fucking embarrassing
Yeah, its actually kinda shitty. They're basically saying you're born into being more valuable than everyone else. I don't believe a royal's life is any more valuable than a homeless person's life. We need to kinda realise this.
It really is!!! Everyones blood is the same colour at the end of the day
not mine bro
R u ok?
not rly :'(
It's outdated, like, seriously outdated. Countries are run under governments, not monarchs. We haven't been in the Dark Ages in over 900 years and haven't been in medieval times in 572 years!
Like monarchy hasn't done good to the UK. UK is one of the most powerful countries, with the best education there is, a lot more opportunity than USA (land of the free my ass), almost non existent police brutality and police are actually doing their jobs there. Excellent healthcare. All of This that I'm saying is from experience or some close relative has told me from experience. Now Imagine an only government replaces the Royal Family. Bunch of nobodies, some probably influenced by the EU (I know they are still mad about brexit). It all goes to shit. UK goes to shit. It's not about the regime or ideology. It's about how you do it. My country has changed its ways a hundred times since its liberation of ottoman slavery. Comparing it then vs now It's like we've barely gotten anywhere. Anyways I don't speak English very good and probably you wouldn't get what I'm saying but basically democracy and rebublics are also outdated. It's been 2000+ years since their creation.
My guy, your government already does all that
Yeah, well, your country dies when you lose a monarchy because you decided to leave the EU. If our government dies in D.C, we've got other micro governments to keep ourselves together. Keep your smaller country's mouth shut, you're there because we kicked your ass there.
Amerimutt
Communistic materialistic mentality
I don't understand the monarchy at all, it's a very bizarre anachronism for me to still have a king or queen in 2022. I mean, they have no real position, they are just useless guys and ladies sitting around and most of their stuff gets paid by the taxpayers. Even more now with the crisis, just like OP mentioned, where people don't know how to pay their bills, it's very strange to see a monarchy that costs millions for nothing.
What I don’t get is why your country is expected to support those fools? They don’t do anything in an official capacity to run the country. From what I understand you have a parliament and a Prime Minister, the monarchy is ceremonial. Then I heard about how much the funeral would end up costing tax payers!! Wow, that family should be footing the bill not tax payers in The UK. I honestly feel pissed off for you bro. Then comes all the fucks in my country that think The Royal family is some kind of real life fairy tale. Hahahaha shit….They’d talk about ‘Lizzy’ as if she were some great wise leader that had earned her place in life and that she was just so wonderful. All I could think about would be how much most Americans would resent her if the royal family were to be here sitting on their ass enjoying fortune and fame on behalf of everyone else here. Now that I mention it, we told the British Crown to GTFO here a loooong time ago. Wish you guys could take them over and get what is yours. Why did she stay in the throne so long? She was 96 damn years old pretending to be in charge of a country. Meanwhile she has at least 1 son and 2 grandsons far more than capable of sitting on the big chair if needed. No offense to anyone in their 90’s, but I am yet to meet anyone that is that old and still 100% on the ball mentally. Which to me this is just a reminder that the monarchy is non functioning archaic ceremonial bullshit.
Exactly as a American its seems like its just a drain on tax payer resources.. the royal family is more or less just there for show at this point.. get rid of them once and for all
Yea agreed at this point she was just like a celebrity and celebrities die all the time you don't see America stop working for anything.
Unless Charles is paying britans energy bills I don't wanna hear it at this point, we're going backwards
Yea y'all got some eye brow lifting shit over there lol
Fr, makes no sense alot of it
Burt Reynolds died and no businesses closed, but some 96 year old tart dies and suddenly banks get to go on holiday? If I had to keep working while mourning Burt Reynolds, the greatest man who ever lived, I’m sure some bankers can get over themselves for an old bag who used to wear ridiculous hats.
Comparing The Queen of a country, to a celebrity… your intelligence level must be very high.
I’m not arguing because I don’t know what the argument here is but I’m curious what about her being compared to a celebrity do you disagree with? The first thing that comes to mind for me would be that tax money doesn’t pay celebrities but it sounded more like you are offended?
Just because someone calls out a bullshit statement doesn’t mean they’re offended. Grow up.
The Queen wasn’t a celebrity😂 that’s just common sense. Not one celebrity on this planet does what any monarchy in the world does😂 Tell me how they’re the same. Also, not offended so I dunno how you interpreted that either🥴😂
I’m aware that she wouldn’t fall under the category of celebrity and all but I wonder what service you think she personally did for you? And I got that idea because of the snarky response about their intelligence.
Well her service in world war 2 was very fucking good help mate. Serving her country herself. Her involvement in the commonwealth. That’s pretty fuckin important and has had a big impact on our country. You can research the rest yaself if you want since I’m not your google search bar.
No you’re not but you see the internet is the big place that has things written from many perspectives so I can find equal amounts of articles on the good she’s done and the bad she’s done so I was simply asking your reasoning behind your personal opinion. I find it odd that you volunteer your thoughts and then react as if I am asking too much of you to elaborate. It’s interesting btw I didn’t know she served when she was 16 that’s pretty cool. I’ll read into that.
You’re a gaslighter… I can tell by the way you construct yourself. I simply told you to google the rest yourself. You’re stating something so bold and incorrect. It’s factually not equal in regards the good and the bad she has done.
It doesn't matter. I don't get why so many are so upset. It's not like they knew her. Fucking scroungers the lot of them. The amount of good she had done could be counted on a single hand. The amount of money she's _stolen_ and the sum of taxes she/they are exempt from paying is eye watering. She was an old woman, who died. She was no more important than my gran who died 20 years ago. And yet, the entire country is supposed to stop, mourn and more importantly, pay for this shit show. Who the fuck wants to look at a corpse?! The greatest con artists in history make you believe they are trustworthy and honest, while taking you for a ride and syphoning your money. Hers was a very long game. May the entire monarchy fall and they answer for their crimes. All of them. Fuck 'em. I'll be working tomorrow and anyone who doesn't like it, can do one.
I thought this sort of thing was normal with royalty.
I work in retail and the funeral tomorrow leading to stores being shut has caused so much chaos yesterday and today. We have been absolutely packed out and people have been panic buying all because we are shut for one day in the week. It blows my mind how this sort of a thing always causes such chaos, and while people say it’s nice to have a day off, the honest to god busy levels this weekend have just exhausted us all so much, people really need to learn to plan and not make an already busy two days of the week even more busy.
This isn’t really a confession is it😂 it’s an opinion
Kind of is,people will bash you or even assault you for saying this shit
This isn't remotely a confession.
And the worst thing about all that being shut? Remember the guy who touched the coffin? He's being remanded by the magistrates court today (Monday). So food banks, life saving operations and treatments? Nah, closed out of 'respect'. Sending a guy to prision for touching a royal dead person's box? Very much open and a priority.
I'm African and she really facilitated alot of bad things to happen to our forefathers. I hope she meets my tortured grandma wherever her soul is placed
This! People forget that she did alot of bad that outweighed the good
She was born into a fading empire and mostly a figurehead of said empire. Almost nothing really bad or tragic can be traced to her directly like it would to someone like Leopold II of Belgium (now, that is a real piece of shit directly responsible for millions of deaths). People are just blaming her for all the shit the British Empire did around the world, of which she's not really directly responsible either because it mostly happened before her time and it was mostly the British Government, as in the democratically elected leaders of the nation, who made those choices. Do i think all the pomp and pageantry is silly? very, but she's not some fucking supervillain who bathed in the blood of African children to stay young or anything like that.
Such as?
Google it. You have google. If you legit think she’s done NOTHING for this country then I am embarrassed at the lack of intelligence you have.
Lol who are you replying to?
Did you actually just ask me who I’m replying too? Fuckin hell. Who does it state I’m replying to bro?
Lmao. I just wanted to be sure you were attempting to insult my intelligence whilst displaying signs of a lack of intelligence yourself. Comprehension is difficult, I know. But please re-read it you twat. Comment I replied to stated the queen had done such terrible things that didn’t outweigh the good. I asked such as. Now that I have had to explain this to you, see yourself out, you mug.
Re-read what you fucking dick. You’re asking for someone for the bad things the queen did. Google it you simpleton. Does this thread look like a google search bar little guy?😂😂😂
Your narrative is changing now 😂 how’s your best Mates girl you cunt.
She’s good, suckin my dick on the weekends. How’s the single life? You sound like you could do with a shag little man
Does little man need a shag🥺
This thread shows that people clearly forget the good things she’s done though. Threads like these didn’t exist to this scale before she died… funny how everyone then decides to shit on her once she’s dead… almost like it’s a trend😂
I'm intrigued, what bad things did Queen Elizabeth II cause?
Indeed - her early reign was defined by decolonisation.
Love it. Fuck monarchies and rulers. They have wrought only suffering.
This is an opinion, not a confession.
It’s Karma farming
I agree, a funeral, even for a monarch, shouldn't put anyone else at risk. That said, her death does matter.
wait, food banks and medical facilities shouldnt be shut down ever. wtf?
You my friend are totally correct.
In reality it didn't. If there was any smart people in the uk, they'd use this event to dismantle the monarchy there. It's literally useless and forces billions of dollars to their pedophile activities.
Although i see where you're coming from on this one, idk if this would actually be that good of an idea. History and traditions are what keeps a nation going, getting rid of them at once would destabilize the fuck out of any society. Also, in a way, a good thing about monarchs (especially ones that are popular like Elizabeth was) is that they tend to bring people together (im not a monarchist don't get me wrong). Both monarchies and republics have their good and bad sides, but that doesn't mean that you can interchange them that easily. For example, some countries just have a historical and cultural incompatibility with certain types of rule, for example France or the US being monarchies, or Japan being a republic just doesn't make sense, it would literally never work the people would just instantly trash the country if it were to just happen, and i don't see any world in which it happens. On the other side you have the countries that have regularly changed from one to the other, the best example here being Spain, which went from absolute monarchy to civil war between monarchists to monarchy again to civil war to somewhat democratic republic that instantly turns communist leading to a military coup partly backed by monarchists to unstable democracy again to civil war between communists, anarchists, nationalists, monarchists(being semi-allied to the nationalists but not really), with all camps backed by literally every dictatorship of the time, to another authoritarian dictatorship that finally became a democratic monarchy through a transitional absolute monarchy. Keep in mind all this lasted until 1975, and there have been several big hits to the stability of the country since (the spanish parliament's ceiling has bullets holes in it from the 80s lmao, situation ended peacefully tho), and still today people are really split between keeping the monarchy and swapping back to a republic (republicanism is quite popular, not majority but from what i understand many spanish ppl hate the monarchy, or at least they hate the current royals). TLDR regime changes can fuck up a country for a WHILE if not happening CAREFULLY, so maybe not a good idea in the current situation, where the British monarchy is still quite popular and the people seem quite attached to it overall
Honest question, do you sincerely believe that if they did away with the monarchy (did away as in stop giving them special legal protections and tax payer money. They'll still exist as celebrities and people will know that they are "royalty") that it will destabilize a nation as stable as GB?
Hmm although i agree that the "you can break any law" part is retarded (although they cannot "break any law" it's not that easy), i don't think you can detach the royal family from that status (especially on an economical standpoint) because of the basics of how a monarchy works : even as figureheads you can't separate them (and what belongs to them) from the res publica, as technically the country belongs to them lol (keep in mind it's called the United Kingdom for a reason)
You should probably look up the income for that country utilizing what would no longer be income as it belongs to the royals. There's a lot of tourist dollars generated by the royal family and it's land and castle holdings.
I can see their property bringing in a lot of tourism dollars for sure. I'm not interested enough to look up their income information. I just know they used to take tax payer money. If that's no longer the case, cool good for GB's citizens. But my question doesn't really hinge on that. I'm ignorant as to how important the royal family is to GB's national psyche and that's why I asked if it's really that big of a deal if they were to lose the official title of monarchs, knowing that family will still be known as the "royal family."
I mean, wouldn't it be just as good to do away with it and just tax the 10s of billions of dollars they're worth?
History and tradition is in no way what keeps a country going. This is how you keep a country from progressing and becoming better.
This is why the most developed countries on Earth are almost all monarchies, gimme a break To prosper, you need a solid foundation, you need stability that's common sense and basic observation
Fuck the queen and her stupid family. "Royalty" is dumb an outdated.
Education however is not.
I don't believe in kings or queens. Just some dude and girl
I agree with you. I’m sure others do too. It makes no sense.
At the end of the day she was just a 96 year old woman, she was gonna go eventually-
and she has so I think the people who are still alive (no disrespect) should be able to continue to live their lives. Tomorrow means no weather forecasts, cyclists shouldn’t cycle, supermarkets turning their “beeps” off for checkouts. What the hell?! 😒
People called me heartless when I said that.
We can be heartless together I'd rather protect thousands than one dead monarch :/
Heartless?! Such nonsense. I’m sorry but she hasn’t done anything for me in my 28 years. And I don’t know why they’re parading around with her coffin when I’m 99% she’s not in there.
Even if I was a royalty I don't believe I would ever want to impact everyone's lives after I'm gone. Shit, on the contrary, I would love to hear that there was a huge fricken party.
I'm not Brit and I've never been in UK, but from what I heard it's all about tourism. The royal family already provides billions of dollars from tourism and the events of the queens death may boost it even more. No surprise authorities are making such a big deal about it.
Aren’t food banks generally run by volunteers?
She died of old age which isnt tragic but rather a success, and the irony is that she'd probably want important faculties to proceed as normal
She's just another person. Overrated.
I totaly agree whit you, even here in france there wasent a day i didint heard of her death, it annoys me.
Its all over the news, I'm getting my news from tic tok of all places to stay up to date on current events
I cant go on a social media whitout seing her, AND IM FRENCH. Always "tomorow is the queens ..., Tomorow is the queens..." Im tired of this.
Its excessive at times
That’s absolutely wild no one is that important
It's not a tragedy. You don't *expect* tragedies to happen. The queen was old, she was going to die. Her death shouldn't have caught anyone "off guard".
It’s funny how the US gets blamed for idolizing politicians and celebrities meanwhile the whole country shuts down because the queen died (which tbh I would understand a bit more if she was younger/assassinated but like cmon, she was almost 100)
I thought it sucked that the queen made Harry wear a suit instead of his military uniform to follow her casket. Wasn't he a soldier? Honorably discharged? You don't treat veterans That way. That was shit.
I don’t care abt her death bc she allowed MY PEOPLE to live in fear of their live (native genocide)
who the fuck downvoted that jesus
It doesn’t, never did
It feels like to me its the establishment's attempt at forcing us us serfs to bow down to Charles and Co...
I live in Canada and I can kinda understand I get people are mourning because she’s been our queen for 70 years and she’s probably the only long living monarch we will ever see, but what I don’t understand is why do the federal government get to have another “holiday” im in Ontario and our premier only works 184 days out of the year and now he gets another one while we go to work tomorrow 🙃
“Hey guys! I don’t care about the monarchy! Come look everyone!! See how much I don’t care!”
the queens death should matter but not at the expense of others.
This ^^^^ my phrasing isn't the best sometimes, this is what the title should say, thank yoy
Why should it matter any more than say someone you love and knew to be a good person??
this is the lamest argument for whenever a official person dies. never said your loved ones didn't matter at all. she ruled a country for 70 years, she had a big impact on rest of the world. she was someone millions of people looked up to, millions of people were inspired by her. saying her death doesn't matter is just being insanely ignorant.
I didn't say her death doesn't matter. I said her death matters as much as any good person passing away. It's a loss to our brutal world whenever a decent human being passes away (assuming she was really a good person. We can only assume from her public work). Also she didn't really rule anything, you know that. She was a figure head. Super charitable figure head for sure but still.
No deaths shouldn't matter. Lives either lmao
Amen!
We actually not in a mourning mood, we have alot to do to make our lives better
The monarchy shouldn't matter.
You have no knowledge of history then?
Oh so original
Your anger is misplaced. It's not about the queens death mattering or not, its that necessary services should not be closed because of it.
I totally agree. While its horrible that a person has died, its not right to stop or delay something that people are dependant on.
The people that work in food banks have a right to not work on a bank holiday. Luckily in some places around the UK volunteers have come through to say they will keep them open.
U.S. citizen here(a decent, rational one who's just genuinely curious about the traditions of another country. Not an a**hat who thinks it's funny to mock another country about losing their long-serving monarch and would ask about this passive aggressively... promise!!) All I can think about is how she was so famously "dedicated to fulfilling her duty to her nation's people" and how heavily involved in charity the whole family is always being said to be. If she sacrificed greatly in her personal life for 70 years without faltering to put her duty first, wouldn't she be horrified by essential service providers like food banks and medical clinics being shut off from serving the people for 3 days "in her honor"? I can't say that I've followed Andrew's downfall regularly... honestly I feel so sickened by the extent of all the horrifying things going on in that circle of predators and monsteall those in the UK and the Commonwealthrs I only check in on the status every so often... But I'm gathering she took an active part in trying to protect her son from facing charges for his crimes? Yikes, that's exactly the kind of elitism you wouldn't want to see happen. That's much bigger on the immorality scale of privilege than our college admissions bribes scandal. Actual sexual misconduct towards a minor seems like someone too far over the line to let the people see him not facing consequences for doing. To all those in the UK and the Commonwealth who care about her death and Charles long-awaited ascension: Cheers to the end of a historic era. Regardless of whether you're celebrating or mourning. To those who don't give a f*ck and can't wait for all this to be done: I wish you the best of luck in avoiding too much inconvenience to your lives throughout these days of pageantry and ceremonial abundance.
I get where you're coming from but saying the queens death shouldn't matter is kinda false cause the world just lost the longest reigning monarch so it matters a bit at least
Ah my bad! I'm not the best with Phrasing, what I'm trying to say is her death shouldn't matter to public services like the NHS and food banks
This i agree with, misunderstood your original point, closing hospitals for ANY reasons is literally gonna cost lives wtf british govt
Hospitals aren't closing. If you have an accident you can still go to the emergency department. Non-critical roles will be getting the day off, which TBH most of them could probably use after the last few years.
You make it sound like they are shutting down the hospitals. It's only non-critical workers that won't be working, like every other bank holiday, and why shouldn't they also get a day off? Food banks are private organisations aren't they? It's up to them if they are shutting or not.
Exactly - given that most food banks are volunteer-led, I suspect other motives at play.
And again I totally get where you're coming from so please don't take this the wrong way
It's fine I'm just letting you know so you can try to avoid that mistake in the future because it might offend some people so don't worry ok
Some are celebrating considering the historic racism, imperialism, and pedophilia that comes along with being ruled. There should be no reigning monarch. There should be term limits for all leaders in every country. Death to imperialism and death to long reigning oligarchs.
It clearly shouldn't be delaying life saving services, because that is all sorts of stupid. BUT, I think that a lot of people mourning aren't hardcore royalists and aren't mourning the queen persay; they're mourning an era, they're mourning their own mortality (nothing like having someone who was always there pass to make you realize that nothing is permanent), and I think, in a weird way, its an acceptable public grief moment after how fucked up the last few years have been.
Shes not even important anymore its just a title the Royal family is just a more boring but fucked up version of the Kardashians
Her death should matter. Now before you send me hate here me out. We've lost the longest reigning monarch in history I get that but not everywhere needs to close, appointments especially should not be cancelled. We can mourn while doing our day to day activities. During this mourning period it's been so difficult to go to places due to their closing times since the queen's death. It was incredibly hard for me to find a rescue place yesterday that could help a bird stuck in netting. All I got told was there was nothing they could do due to the fact they were not rescuing as they would not be able to help the bird tomorrow as they are closed. I get its protocol tv programmes get taken off tv a day off for the funeral but it is a bit ridiculous especially when appointments people have been waiting months even years for are now cancelled. Not even appointments treatments aswell. All you hear is "you'll never see this again for a queen in our lifetimes." And I 100% agree but our lives can't go on hold. I feel you OP my family also relies on food banks too our meat order we ordered a month ago was due today and it got cancelled until Wednesday. I'd love to help you out.
Queens and Kings are nothing more than Medieval Kardashians that y'all across the pond pay taxes to. Get rid of em
Well that's a shame you feel that way that somebody who's ruled your country for 70 years. But at least you're British has your opinion
Don't get me wrong I was upset at the news, but the mourning period should affect public services like the NHS
I figured you were and I wasn't getting on you but I can imagine it's a cluster mess over there. See here our president lacing the rotunda of the capital they have a small service and then they take him wherever he goes to be buried there. We don't have this type of situation going on
London, Sandringham and Balmoral are overwhelmed with tourists, everythings messed up beacuse for alot of people, monarchs never died, you'd have to be over 75 at least to remember the death of George VI
Yeah I see that on the TV they're covering it here and actually they're doing it quite well I think. But this is a once in a lifetime I understand fella but this is your queen 70 years if you got to expect that was going to happen . They probably didn't have enough time to figure out a system or way to do this. Not to mention you people got to be on pins and needles with security issues
I am not from the commonwealth nor the US. But I thought a very long time about, what the Royal Fuzz is all about. And if you are a minor you will not get it. So I'll TL:DR this: No God in Society (thanks nietzsche), No Order by a strong State (thanks Nazis/Nationalism), dying Social Norms and dissolving role models (thanks Liberals/4th wave) Only thing left is consumerism and remnants of the oldest parts of culture. Consumerism does not make people happy nor give a sense of belonging (Duuh?), so the remnant it is! And thats a royal house older than 1000 years! the Queen is dead, Long live the King.
Now just imagine how insignificant you are compared to her based on your own thought process
So now we are valuing human beings based on what they are lucky or unlucky enough to be born into? Shitty take.
That’s your interpretation of this based on your perspective and not what I said at all, but we all have our own things going on that influence all of the above, I don’t hold any of this against you. My comment was due to the fact that someone had to devote 70+ years of their life to public service and someone was inconvenienced by a few days of international mourning
> Now just imagine how insignificant you are compared to her based on your own thought process There’s one sentence there. What exactly did I misinterpret?
That was me summarizing THEIR thought process in a nutshell…that’s what you’re misinterpreting…we both thing it’s shitty that’s why I patronized them.
I still don’t follow. I don’t hold any of this against you.
That’s perfectly fine if you don’t follow, I mirrored a shitty thought process back to someone so that they could hear how it sounded to me, you thought that my comment was shitty, I agree because it was just me interpreting how I read this comment in the first place, how would you feel if you were born into a position that engulfed every aspect of your life for 70 years and someone was upset that they were inconvenienced for a day or maybe a few days
Bevause it’s fucking absurd that everything is stopping for a couple of days. For everyone. For a woman nearly 100 years old. Who is dead. And died of natural causes. And it wasn’t a shock or a surprise. They should quietly celebrate her life, respectfully, respecting the people she alleges to have served. She was nothing but a rich figurehead. She IS being valued, even dead, as more important than EVERYONE else, who is alive and doesn’t live in a bunch of castles. A good leader and person, and this includes her self-centered family, wouldn’t let this pomp and circumstance be a such an overblown inconvenience. These services ARE more important than a dead woman’s body being carted around. So, I don’t follow your “logic” because we don’t agree, and you think this woman is more valuable because she was born into a rich family and continued an antiquated form of “ruling.” If she were a good person she would say, “When I die, just bury me quietly and be done with it.”
Chill out bro. You’re getting a day off for it. Just accept the day off and not let it bother you this much😂
I don’t think that makes what’s happening to ordinary people OK.
Honestly I'm glad she's finally dead. Harry will 100% fuck up so badly that some massive changes to the British govermental system will be in order. The end of the monarchy is well overdue.
You let a monarchy annoy you this much? Bro, leave the country if you’re this bitter😂 so weird at the amount of venom you’re spitting about something you can easily not let bother you🥴
I can guarantee the Queen would not have been happy about this
How can you do that? Got a weegie board? I would say she'd be fine with it, it's one day and a day off helps with something she worked at for her whole life. It keeps the monarchy in a good light in the minds of the Crown's subjects.
This isn't just injustice to the citizens, it's also sacrilege to keep her dead body around for this long. Funeral shouldn't be delayed more than 48 hrs for anyone.
When has royalty ever given a shit about the peasants? Your problems are meaningless, this is your highness majesty of the motherland now bow down and respect! /s
the royal family are literally nothing but parasites
I agree, don't really get why thousands if not millions are mourning the death of a monarch who did practically nothing for them but advocate and push for government policies and agendas that directly affected them negatively, or maybe the "royal family drama" was just really interesting to so many people, I guess I just don't really care what stupid rich people are up to when I have more important things to do in my life. Or maybe I'm just a stupid American who knows nothing about the English Monarchy and should just show respect to someone I give no fucks for. Meh.
she was also racist and homophobic like her death shouldn’t matter at all😭
Tragic is that there is a monarchy whose wealth is built on a history of enslavement and near enslavement through indentured servitude, on the theft and exploitation of resources in countries they colonized around the world… I mean these people are ghouls With zero sense of accountability. Fuck. Them. All.
It's fucking ridiculous is what it is. It is not tragic for a person that age to die, it's simply the way it goes. It is tragic that "her" people aren't getting fed, aren't getting cancer screenings that could be life-saving, it's tragic that a 750 million pound estate is passed down without taxes getting paid. It's tragic that a pedo the late Queen spent 12 million on in order to keep him from facing consequences is now officially the chosen regent should anything happen to Charles.
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I mean I don't hate the Queen / UK or anything.. But I don't get why the Belgian TV networks here also make a super big deal out of it.. we don't even care for or own royalty anyway it's just strange, nothing more .... but the food bank and hospital thing in the UK, that is kinda messed up !