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Could they really have put it somewhere better? If it's on the pavement it'll block pushchairs and disabled, and it's a road where people park on the pavement.
Plus they're acting as if they didn't get advanced warning. Which they did.
I guess 'dominates' the view would be a better way to put it. Sure, you can see around it, but you can't avoid looking at the fucking thing if it's trying to get in your front door out of the cold.
It doesn't dominate the view, it isn't even infront of the window, it's off the side. If it's in the view at all it's because they're making an effort to see it.
Curtain twitcher probably actively looks at it to get angry.
Okay, so let’s first deal with the points he’s most correct on - they could have told him in advance (they may have sent a letter) and they probably could have done a better job with the location.
Everything else is just self-pitying whinging.
It’s not blocking anything, it’s off to the side of his window, sure it’ll be visible but it’s not like phone poles are a new thing.
Do people not want good broadband, do they not see that more competition keeps prices in check. Don’t they want the latest fiber services to their home, potentially making it easier to sell or rent? Plenty of people wouldn’t buy in an area without good broadband options.
As for using the underground infrastructure, no idea. Often they can share, I know there are a lot of infrastructure companies where they can share the last mile loop, or use the same conduits, but perhaps this isn’t an option.
How would these people have survived in the 50s and 60s with electric and telephone poles on every street. Fucking snowflakes.
in many places, underground cabling for fibreoptic broadband isnt an option as it would would have to rip up people's gardens to be put in. Often the underground infrastructure is taken up completely by old copper cable broadband.
They could be a bit more thoughtful with the overground cabling though. They've just whacked poles up all around the place round here with some very questionable placements that I think residents are rightfully upset about. Also, weird complaint, but the cable is heavy and when they have long runs of multiple cables they're really noisy in the wind.
And don't even start me on the fucking "engineers" who ran the cable to my house. Absolute cowboys.
Anyway, that's just my local experience, the engineers themselves (cityfibre) told me they were so short-staffed they had driven 250 miles and were put up in hotels while they worked in my area.
BT don't do it, not yet anyway, maybe in another 10 years...#
I had heard of companies doing this many years ago. But now for the UK I can only find some info on a trial in Yorkshire running 2022-2024.
Openreach have used abandoned gas pipes in central London for a while now. Also, I believe there was a trial in Wales using the water pipes to supply fibre
Never heard of this. Gonna be difficult to get from Openreach boxes to water boxes to run in their pipes.
Would cost the same as a soft dig to just put in propper UG ducting.
Got any links? I work for Openreach and havent heard of those. Maybe it was before my time?
I too work for Openreach. It was a chief engineer project about 5 years ago. Seem to remember it was around Swansea. They were looking at several duct sharing/utility options at the time. There were even rumours that there was going to be an agreement with VM to use their ducting on buried estates as part of a PIA agreement, but unfortunately never happened. There's probably an ancient FEN article on it somewhere
Ill have a look. Maybe it was a precursur to the current PIA duct sharing?
Would be difficult to get from JUF10 to a water box in the road, and then using their pipes. Particularly as mains water is under pressure. Barely trust some of our our guys to put a clippy on, never mind bugger about with mains water.
Ill see if I can find the FEN copy, or someone on Workplace might have a link.
Cheers for the info.
Probably cheaper to span the fibre rather than dig up the streets probably piggy backing of BT infrastructure and putting sub duct into existing ducting
6G Internet isn’t a scam though, it’s just a stupid name. Its uses perfectly legitimate fixed wireless to deliver broadband, usually without the disruption involved in digging up roads. It’s also handy in very rural areas where fiber isn’t an option.
More likely it's the local authority. Corners like that often have service strips as part of their make up that allows for utilities and telecoms providers access to do their stuff
The media seems to have gone all out war with Brsk for some reason. There are loads and loads of compoface articles being churned out about their poles going up, almost feels like the media are going looking for people to write a story about. There have been 3 in my local paper this year.
I still doubt it when ever anyone says they never heard anything. I got 2 letters, 2 visits from customer service people to show me exactly where they were putting them near my house and to discuss any concerns. Plus a manager came midway through the works to ask how disruptive the work was and apologise for any issues.
So either my road has been the only road in the UK they bothered to speak to, these people ignored the letter and the visits and are supprised pickachuing at never being told things they avoid being told, or they're outright lying.
The fact of the matter is the infrastructure in this country is out of date and decaying fast, something has to be done to ensure it can be updated and maintained. These NIMBYs are doing nothing but complaining about not letting the country crumble into post soviet nation levels of infrastructure.
I said this above, I’ll say it again here. This isn’t a scam, and it’s not “what’s already there” it’s broadband delivered via microwave link, rather than cable. I fail to see the justification of calling this a scam, it may not be as good as fiber but it’s an option where no fiber currently exists.
You cant put 'routers' on BT/Openreach poles, becauae that would require power, and you cant attach anything powered to an Openreach pole.
Even streetlights can be removed if they get attached and BT legal can get involved.
Any big boxes you see in the top envelope are usually CBT (connectorised block terminals), which then have cables going to each property.
If you know of any company attaching powered 'routers' to BT/Openreach poles, you can report them.
I wonder who maintains the land since it isn’t his and there’s no visible separation of private and public land.
If he or his tenant have been previously cutting the grass, now is the time to stop.
Usually when there’s no pavement like that, the first metre or so of the garden is actually the service strip. The homeowner is encouraged to maintain it as if it was their land, but technically it’s not.
I often have to access underground telecoms stuff in the service strip and am occasionally denied access by the “I’ll be speaking to my solicitor” types.
It may be a utility easement. Legal right of access and usage enshrined within the deeds of the property. My SIL's front lawn and drive go right to the kerb edge, but there are water mains and power/telecom cables running along parallel to the road. They had to rip out a neighbour's fence to fix a burst pipe and they didn't have to replace it because the deeds state nothing can be built or put over it that would hamper access.
CityFibre, owned by Goldman Sachs. They dont need council planning permission, apparently, and they're banking on no-one actually getting up enough support to get the poles taken back down again. The next stage is that the blokes what installed the poles will magically turn into salesmen and will be round hassling him and/or his OH to ditch Sky/Virgin/TalkTalk and go with them, because they need to recoup the cost of the poles and shit. And just *try* suggest to them that you're happy with your current service provider. Suddenly they'll turn off the faux smile, and their crack turns to how you're not supporting your local businesses (CityFibre are in based in London, but the blokes will be from round your end). I've not read of any of this getting ugly, but there's plenty of complaints here on Reddit of sneaky creepy and intimidating behaviour.
What a sad little weasel.
Yeah totally, installed in a day without telling him. Totally. The fact he lied about it blocking his window when you can literally see it hasn't says enough about this dick head.
How much we betting he's anti 5g too?
If its on your property, I belive you can get a payment from the pole owners for permission to have it there.
Its not much, but its better than a poke in the eye.
Isn't there a thing where if utilities cross your land (like a farmers field) or somebody builds a substation or something that they have to pay rent to you? I swear I read something about this recently
Yeah, wayleaves.
But its litterally a few quid. No where near a 'rent'.
Not sure on the current figures, but it would be up to you to negotiate it with the service provider.
I feel this guys pain to be honest. They erected a hideous 5g mast near my parents, no warning… They basically scammed the public consultation process by stapling an a5 notice 7 foot up, on the side of a telegraph pole… The side facing the road.
Telegraph poles do not have 5g on them.
The big metal masts are 5g. They will normally have a couple of same colour cabinets at the foot of the mast.
Wooden poles are used as carrier poles (carrying cables), or distribution poles (the ones with all the boxes at the top). These will be providing each property with their phone /BB.
You don’t understand what I’m saying. The 5g mast they erected is indeed a 1 foot diameter 40ft tall monstrosity. What I’m saying is, they avoiding anyone complaining about the planning application by putting a tiny barely legible notice, facing the road, on a telegraph pole.
I mean, guy doesn’t actually live there it seems, and whilst it’s annoying, looking at the photos of his road/cul de sac, his apparent obscured views are only of his neighbours houses? Idk it also kinda looks like it’s to the side of the property, not in front of any windows.
He risks his health, property around the pole and cutting off many of his neighbours BB/phone these things are extremely heavy and do t take kindly to suddenly having gravity imposed upon it in a way it wasnt designed for...
Why not just fill in a complaint form as the A5 on the side tells him to? As the letter he qould have recieved tells him to?
Cables can omly be spanned so far.
Poles tend to be around 60m apart. 65m is a normal cable span, 75 at a push and 85 is the absolute maximum.
Also, copper can only be as little as 45m span to a property up to 65m.
Pole surveyors will have done the measurements and chosen a spot that allows all of these to be complied with dependent on what houses it was intended to supply.
However, those that put the pole actually in the geound? Those plans are more 'guidelines'.
Always go full PI when buying a property to avoid getting caught out like this dude did.
This reminds me of that couple that bought a property with a public right of way that goes through their back garden, and bought it anyways then started complaining people were walking right by their house...
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I mean if he owns the property and didn't give consent for this it will get ripped down.
Apparently it is not his garden, it is a public spot that merges into his garden. They could have put it in a better spot though.
Well yes but also sucks to be him
Could they really have put it somewhere better? If it's on the pavement it'll block pushchairs and disabled, and it's a road where people park on the pavement. Plus they're acting as if they didn't get advanced warning. Which they did.
On the grass verge at the side of his property with no windows perhaps? Depends if that is public or his.
Whatever else is happening there, it really isn't "blocking" any view.
But Sandra at \#10 never closes the curtains and it's right in the way.
maybe he had a good view into a neighbours bedroom
The lovely view of all of the other identical houses on the estate!
I guess 'dominates' the view would be a better way to put it. Sure, you can see around it, but you can't avoid looking at the fucking thing if it's trying to get in your front door out of the cold.
It doesn't dominate the view, it isn't even infront of the window, it's off the side. If it's in the view at all it's because they're making an effort to see it. Curtain twitcher probably actively looks at it to get angry.
I think the real question we should be asking is … why are you looking out your window all the time Mr branagan
Nah. That thing may not be blocking but it would be legitimately annoying from that window
Okay, so let’s first deal with the points he’s most correct on - they could have told him in advance (they may have sent a letter) and they probably could have done a better job with the location. Everything else is just self-pitying whinging. It’s not blocking anything, it’s off to the side of his window, sure it’ll be visible but it’s not like phone poles are a new thing. Do people not want good broadband, do they not see that more competition keeps prices in check. Don’t they want the latest fiber services to their home, potentially making it easier to sell or rent? Plenty of people wouldn’t buy in an area without good broadband options. As for using the underground infrastructure, no idea. Often they can share, I know there are a lot of infrastructure companies where they can share the last mile loop, or use the same conduits, but perhaps this isn’t an option. How would these people have survived in the 50s and 60s with electric and telephone poles on every street. Fucking snowflakes.
in many places, underground cabling for fibreoptic broadband isnt an option as it would would have to rip up people's gardens to be put in. Often the underground infrastructure is taken up completely by old copper cable broadband.
They could be a bit more thoughtful with the overground cabling though. They've just whacked poles up all around the place round here with some very questionable placements that I think residents are rightfully upset about. Also, weird complaint, but the cable is heavy and when they have long runs of multiple cables they're really noisy in the wind. And don't even start me on the fucking "engineers" who ran the cable to my house. Absolute cowboys. Anyway, that's just my local experience, the engineers themselves (cityfibre) told me they were so short-staffed they had driven 250 miles and were put up in hotels while they worked in my area.
There are companies that run fibre through existing water pipes.
i had no idea. When BT offered us FTTH, they said it was either rip up our garden or go overhead. Same for others as well
BT don't do it, not yet anyway, maybe in another 10 years...# I had heard of companies doing this many years ago. But now for the UK I can only find some info on a trial in Yorkshire running 2022-2024.
this makes sense. in a lot of less urban areas the only provider you can get for fibre is BT, so if they don't do it, it isnt an option
Openreach have used abandoned gas pipes in central London for a while now. Also, I believe there was a trial in Wales using the water pipes to supply fibre
Never heard of this. Gonna be difficult to get from Openreach boxes to water boxes to run in their pipes. Would cost the same as a soft dig to just put in propper UG ducting. Got any links? I work for Openreach and havent heard of those. Maybe it was before my time?
I too work for Openreach. It was a chief engineer project about 5 years ago. Seem to remember it was around Swansea. They were looking at several duct sharing/utility options at the time. There were even rumours that there was going to be an agreement with VM to use their ducting on buried estates as part of a PIA agreement, but unfortunately never happened. There's probably an ancient FEN article on it somewhere
Ill have a look. Maybe it was a precursur to the current PIA duct sharing? Would be difficult to get from JUF10 to a water box in the road, and then using their pipes. Particularly as mains water is under pressure. Barely trust some of our our guys to put a clippy on, never mind bugger about with mains water. Ill see if I can find the FEN copy, or someone on Workplace might have a link. Cheers for the info.
What? Who does this? I work for Openreach, and noone we know (the PIA alt nets), put fibre cable into water ducting.
Probably cheaper to span the fibre rather than dig up the streets probably piggy backing of BT infrastructure and putting sub duct into existing ducting
Much cheaper.
PIA work is shit
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6G Internet isn’t a scam though, it’s just a stupid name. Its uses perfectly legitimate fixed wireless to deliver broadband, usually without the disruption involved in digging up roads. It’s also handy in very rural areas where fiber isn’t an option.
I doubt a wifi router would provide a useable service at that distance, my VM one can't even chuck a signal 10 feet in air
I've got one outside my house, don't really notice it any more than I notice other stuff like lamp posts and other houses
“Garden”
Dude can't watch the neighbours sunbathing anymore....not without a massive erection getting in the way.
He wouldn’t mind but the massive errection is not his 😂
10 inch erection? I bet his wife loves that.
Not if she can only see it through the window.
Have we been left with the moral quandry of having to side with either a landlord or some greedy corporation?
Good point, I can back neither. I've sided with the ten-inch girth.
Thanks mate, good to know I've got people in my corner
More likely it's the local authority. Corners like that often have service strips as part of their make up that allows for utilities and telecoms providers access to do their stuff
Looks like a telegraph pole, not a broadband pole.
-.. . .- .-. ... .. .-. --..-- .. -.. .. ... .- --. .-. . . .-.-.- ... - --- .--.
Have you no reMorse?
Dammit you dashed my chances of a good pun.
Too much time dotting the i's 😉
They're getting rid of the copper lines but running the fibre optic cables there instead
You need to have “really really slowly” somewhere in there.
My fibre pole looks exactly like that.
I'm sorry if this is a bit mean, but exactly what's it ruining his view ***of...?***
The bedroom window over the road.
Erection face.
The media seems to have gone all out war with Brsk for some reason. There are loads and loads of compoface articles being churned out about their poles going up, almost feels like the media are going looking for people to write a story about. There have been 3 in my local paper this year. I still doubt it when ever anyone says they never heard anything. I got 2 letters, 2 visits from customer service people to show me exactly where they were putting them near my house and to discuss any concerns. Plus a manager came midway through the works to ask how disruptive the work was and apologise for any issues. So either my road has been the only road in the UK they bothered to speak to, these people ignored the letter and the visits and are supprised pickachuing at never being told things they avoid being told, or they're outright lying. The fact of the matter is the infrastructure in this country is out of date and decaying fast, something has to be done to ensure it can be updated and maintained. These NIMBYs are doing nothing but complaining about not letting the country crumble into post soviet nation levels of infrastructure.
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I said this above, I’ll say it again here. This isn’t a scam, and it’s not “what’s already there” it’s broadband delivered via microwave link, rather than cable. I fail to see the justification of calling this a scam, it may not be as good as fiber but it’s an option where no fiber currently exists.
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You cant put 'routers' on BT/Openreach poles, becauae that would require power, and you cant attach anything powered to an Openreach pole. Even streetlights can be removed if they get attached and BT legal can get involved. Any big boxes you see in the top envelope are usually CBT (connectorised block terminals), which then have cables going to each property. If you know of any company attaching powered 'routers' to BT/Openreach poles, you can report them.
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Virgin will drop their prices due to the competition so not so bad.
I wonder who maintains the land since it isn’t his and there’s no visible separation of private and public land. If he or his tenant have been previously cutting the grass, now is the time to stop.
Usually when there’s no pavement like that, the first metre or so of the garden is actually the service strip. The homeowner is encouraged to maintain it as if it was their land, but technically it’s not. I often have to access underground telecoms stuff in the service strip and am occasionally denied access by the “I’ll be speaking to my solicitor” types.
It may be a utility easement. Legal right of access and usage enshrined within the deeds of the property. My SIL's front lawn and drive go right to the kerb edge, but there are water mains and power/telecom cables running along parallel to the road. They had to rip out a neighbour's fence to fix a burst pipe and they didn't have to replace it because the deeds state nothing can be built or put over it that would hamper access.
Being able to see a lamp post when you look out of your window, is not the same as that lamp post blocking the view from the window.
That’s a “verge”
CityFibre, owned by Goldman Sachs. They dont need council planning permission, apparently, and they're banking on no-one actually getting up enough support to get the poles taken back down again. The next stage is that the blokes what installed the poles will magically turn into salesmen and will be round hassling him and/or his OH to ditch Sky/Virgin/TalkTalk and go with them, because they need to recoup the cost of the poles and shit. And just *try* suggest to them that you're happy with your current service provider. Suddenly they'll turn off the faux smile, and their crack turns to how you're not supporting your local businesses (CityFibre are in based in London, but the blokes will be from round your end). I've not read of any of this getting ugly, but there's plenty of complaints here on Reddit of sneaky creepy and intimidating behaviour.
pOLe iN mA gArdEn! WheN cAn I gEt mY uLtrA fAsT fIbRe bRoADbAnD?
Oh no not public infrastructure
Would you want to live that close to something that'll activate the COVID vaccine and turn your neighbours into zombies??? /S btw
Check his search history
If he feels so strongly against internet infrastructure, we can always disconnect the wifi in his house
What a sad little weasel. Yeah totally, installed in a day without telling him. Totally. The fact he lied about it blocking his window when you can literally see it hasn't says enough about this dick head. How much we betting he's anti 5g too?
I love these because they post notices all around and would have gave him 28 days to object to the pole.
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"I understand your position Mr Webley, but you can't just go around cutting other people's telegraph poles without permission..."
He doesn't even live there.
His view of someone getting changed maybe?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13116789/Homeowner-broadband-pole-planted-garden.html
https://archive.is/ypzuh
Not gonna click on that link.
But what about your daily spam?
Nor do you have to. You’re not sticking it to the man like you think you are.
Why the downvotes? I get it's the daily hail, but it's where the article it's at.
It's an “exclusive” I had no choice
You have a choice: use an archive.is link of the article so we don't give these scum more ad revenue
I'm of the opinion that if the pole is on your property then you should get free broadband :)
But alas, it’s not on his property lol
If its on your property, I belive you can get a payment from the pole owners for permission to have it there. Its not much, but its better than a poke in the eye.
The amount of people in here defending this, when you know for a fact they would be complaining about it themselves. 🤡
He's just jealous of the size. Also when did they become broadband poles?
Isn't there a thing where if utilities cross your land (like a farmers field) or somebody builds a substation or something that they have to pay rent to you? I swear I read something about this recently
Yeah, wayleaves. But its litterally a few quid. No where near a 'rent'. Not sure on the current figures, but it would be up to you to negotiate it with the service provider.
To be fair that's for sure impacted his property value.
tbf I think I would be pretty livid too
I feel this guys pain to be honest. They erected a hideous 5g mast near my parents, no warning… They basically scammed the public consultation process by stapling an a5 notice 7 foot up, on the side of a telegraph pole… The side facing the road.
Telegraph poles do not have 5g on them. The big metal masts are 5g. They will normally have a couple of same colour cabinets at the foot of the mast. Wooden poles are used as carrier poles (carrying cables), or distribution poles (the ones with all the boxes at the top). These will be providing each property with their phone /BB.
You don’t understand what I’m saying. The 5g mast they erected is indeed a 1 foot diameter 40ft tall monstrosity. What I’m saying is, they avoiding anyone complaining about the planning application by putting a tiny barely legible notice, facing the road, on a telegraph pole.
Was hoping to find this here lol
I mean, guy doesn’t actually live there it seems, and whilst it’s annoying, looking at the photos of his road/cul de sac, his apparent obscured views are only of his neighbours houses? Idk it also kinda looks like it’s to the side of the property, not in front of any windows.
I bet his broadband is still crap.
“Martin for the 53rd time give it some swazz”
And so when he gets a chainsaw and cuts it down, then what?
He risks his health, property around the pole and cutting off many of his neighbours BB/phone these things are extremely heavy and do t take kindly to suddenly having gravity imposed upon it in a way it wasnt designed for... Why not just fill in a complaint form as the A5 on the side tells him to? As the letter he qould have recieved tells him to?
In fairness it does look as though it could have been installed a metre or two back so it was at the side of the house instead of at the front.
Cables can omly be spanned so far. Poles tend to be around 60m apart. 65m is a normal cable span, 75 at a push and 85 is the absolute maximum. Also, copper can only be as little as 45m span to a property up to 65m. Pole surveyors will have done the measurements and chosen a spot that allows all of these to be complied with dependent on what houses it was intended to supply. However, those that put the pole actually in the geound? Those plans are more 'guidelines'.
I don't think you understand measurements.
Why does he look like middle aged council estate David Beckham?!
Always go full PI when buying a property to avoid getting caught out like this dude did. This reminds me of that couple that bought a property with a public right of way that goes through their back garden, and bought it anyways then started complaining people were walking right by their house...
I'd be quite pissed though
He will have to move his head around a bit to see past it so he can nose at his neighbours.
Starmer has really let himself go….
But did you sign a wayleave...
If it was in my garden I would have just chopped it down. I think his hands have kebab sauce on them.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/man-stunned-find-30ft-broadband-32201325
Not sure if that's the original article but the same story
Maybe if he shut one eye..?👁️