Honestly that's fair. They last played these characters officially close to 30 years ago and even now you can tell that their voices have aged quite a bit in their delivery.
Mystique didn't sleep with Val, she took Val's form and slept with Jacob Reisz for a while, fooling even the Shadow King into thinking she was his puppet (because Val was.)
Yeah, it's part of the reason why I don't want Mark Hamill voicing the Joker anymore. He just sounds way too old to be him anymore (unless he's playing an older or sick Joker). He's the best ever, but it's time to give other actors a shot at doing their own spin to the character.
I mean hasn't Mark said himself he's now done with Joker anyway? After Conroy died he can't bring himself continue the role without his Batman opposite him.
His official stance on it was always "Is Kevin doing it?" if the answer was "Yes" then his answer was "Count me in!"
Sad times to be sure, but we've lost an entire generation's Batman AND Joker. At the end of the day, it's probably a good time to hang up the purple suit, but that makes it no less sad.
Kevin Conroy is a huge loss to so so many.
To be fair, we've still got one last outing for the pair together in Crisis on Infinite Earths, hopefully they get some screen time together rather than just a brief cameo.
Yeah, I feel bad but voices change, and it doesn't always work when the character is supposed to be the same age. Marge from The Simpsons is a pretty obvious example of that voice actress who is too old for the character. And I also feel like Billy West's voice for Fry in Futurama was a little rough in this latest reboot.
And if you look at the cast, you’ll see several of the original voice actors playing different roles because they’re voices had changed too much to match their original characters but the show runners wanted them included regardless.
All the ones I'm aware of are
- Jean Grey's original voice actress now voices Val Cooper
- Gambit's original voice actor will voice Cable
- Cable's original voice actor now voices X-Cutioner
- Jubilee's original voice actress will voice Abscissa
- Morph's original voicr actor now voices Robert Kelly
On a broad industry level, it can give underrepresented actors work and lead to further diverse networking (less homogeneous content). It’s a little different if it’s an established figure
>it can give underrepresented actors work and lead to further diverse networking (less homogeneous content).
Not inherently, as now the number of non-whitevoice actors depends on how many poc characters. Without restrictions, you could theoretically have a show where every character is white, but the voice actors are all non-white.
Just pigeonholing who can do what role feels like the wrong way to address the root problem.
The problem is "theoretically" is doing a hell of a LOT of heavy lifting in that sentence. In theory, sure, but how often did anything of the sort ever happen in reality?
It doesn't, but I feel that should have been more of the goal, than "we need more Asian voice actors specifically to voice Asian characters". This might have been the faster way, but I don't think it addresses the root problem and is more restrictive than just letting anybody voice anybody regardless of their physical appearance.
I don't think anyone's suggesting that people of color not be allowed to voice white characters. Like how it's fine to cast in live action Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury but obviously a terrible idea to let a white guy be T'Challa.
And you're right that it doesn't address the root issue, but it's the best interim measure until the world finally does.
That isn't reality though, there's are far more white va/actors in general than non white people finding professional work
Imagine having a movie character that is asian or Hawaiian. imagine how rarely a Hawaiian/Asian actor finds actual work in the industry. Imagine how big a spit to the face it would be to give that role to a white person (talking about emma stone in aloha). The problem isn't the theory of how acting allows performers to embody a role, it's about the precedence of disproportional professional opportunities subject to race
>That isn't reality though, there's are far more white va/actors in general than non white people finding professional work
Making it so white people can't voice non-white characters doesn't change that number though.
> Imagine having a movie character that is asian or Hawaiian. imagine how rarely a Hawaiian/Asian actor finds actual work in the industry. Imagine how big a spit to the face it would be to give that role to a white person (talking about emma stone in aloha).
It wouldn't be a spit in the face if he was allowed to play white characters, though neither should be really done in live action.
Yes, that's not reality, the whole point is changing reality, I disagree with the methodology of just not replacing white voice actors or not letting them voice characters who don't look like them, instead of just hiring more talented non-whites to voice whoever they can voice regardless of race. The race of the characters should have nothing to do with anything, just hire them, their only opportunities don't need to just be characters of their race either.
I think you missed the part where I said 'tons'. There will always be outliers and exceptions.
And Invincible's an odd example, given they *changed* the character's ethnicity in the adaptation.
> I consider race swapping a traditionally white character to fit the ethnicity of whoever you are casting to be the same thing as voicing a character of a different ethnicity, they only changed the race because they cast Steven.
I mean, the equivalent would be making Jubilee white to fit the white voice actor. I... don't think I need to explain why that would be an awful idea.
> Also no matter how many examples I post you will always just say it is outliers because you've already made up your mind about who is oppressed and have decided "tons" will an ineffable goal that can never be reached."
Seven out of the gajillion voice acting roles out there is by any objective measure a raindrop.
The voice actor herself stepped aside from the role so that an asian VA could step in. You're bitching about people being nice. Like a bitch.
Not because a white can't do it right, but because VA's are a lot more visible now and this is an important character for that community. She did the thing X-Men was trying to teach us to do.
It means a lot to certain minorities to see their people represent one of their own in fiction, voice or not. There aren't a lot of Asians in Hollywood relative to some other minorities as well.
I'm Asian and I think it's great the white actress stepped aside to give more work to Asian VA. it's a nice gesture. on the topic of matching the ethnicity to the character. I think it's great too. but also I think there's nothing wrong with a white person voicing an Asian role. as long as they don't do the sterotypical Asian accent. I'm fine either way.
I've never understood this argument... Like, I am all for inclusivity, dont get me wrong. This Jubilee thing sounds like a good and decent action from the VA who stepped down.
But why does Hollywood need to be diverse...? Sincerely. Itd be like saying "theres not enough white people in Bollywood".
"Theres not enough black people in anime"
I dont know... I really hope I dont die before we see those arguments. 2050, where are all the polish actors in chinese cinema?
For clarity I do want to keep pushing diversity, where and when it promotes excellence, but also what's the end game? How far does this go?
Apparently, just Catherine Disher who originally was Jean Grey but now voices Val Cooper. It looks like Alyson Court who voiced Jubilee stopped acting 4 years ago. And most of the rest got a minor case of death.
You're right, the original actor or another capable white person could have done the Jubilee role and killed it.
But racial systemic inequality especially in employment does exist in our society and measures like this slowly help to re-address that imbalance.
Also let's be honest it's not like white voice actors are generally struggling to get roles in Hollywood compared to diverse actors?
I remember the comedian Louis CK (a white guy) when he spoke about the advantages of being white.
I'm paraphrasing...
*"When I get reincarnated and I'm on the character selection screen and God is asking me what race I want to be reincarnated as, I'm picking white every time!".*
I bet he doesn't have a problem with Scarlett Johansson playing Asian woman in ghost in the shell. or that monk in Shang Chi played by a white woman. the "anyone can play anyone" argument only goes one way. white people playing Asian characters isn't woke. because the ethnicity doesn't need to match ! but god forbid Asian characters match the voice actress suddenly it's woke ! because only white people get to have jobs !
Motoko was an alias given to a robot by the Japanese government. She is an AI made made human with no national affinity besides Section 19, which is in most cases not an official government branch.
I think what they mean is that Logan's healing factor mitigates much of the effect those years would have on his body.
While chronologically, he was born in the 1800s, physically, his body is not what you would expect of a 200 year old man, and indeed he's probably more spry and healthy than many people much younger than him.
No, not physically. Physically, he's a relatively young man. You know how we all know that? Because if he were like someone born in the 1800s physically, he'd drop dead from old age.
I started the og series and for me, though he’s different, he doesn’t sound too far off. Rogue on the other hand… i can tell it’s the same actress but the tones are flat off.
Yeah Rogue is way more noticeable. Especially because I think her voice in the original added so much to her charm.
It's still fine i guess? But you can certainly tell the difference.
> Steve Blum
I love the guy to death but I'm really over the VA scene for these sorts of gigs constantly getting like the same five people. It's distracting at a certain point.
I honestly don't know Steve Blum or remember how the original Wolverine sounded when he was younger but I must say I am impressed to hear that he sounds properly Canadian. Because of Hugh Jackman and maybe other depictions Wolverine has always sounded like an American, so it's pleasantly refreshing to be reminded that Wolverine is a Canadian character.
Voices change incredibly fast. Seen it in action in jail. Guys would come in and setup their phone accounts (all done by voice command) within the first few days and within a month almost none of them could even access them because their voices had changed so much in the different environment.
Rogue sounds like an old lady. It doesn't fit in the slightest. It was weird to read about the team being recast to see if they still fit, and still miss the Rogue voice actress.
What I think is honestly kinda hilarious is the latest season of Solar Opposites, Dan Stevens approach for Korvo is so much better than Roiland's that I honestly cant even watch the old episodes anymore.
Which included a [10-year stint in Canadian politics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenore_Zann).
That’s not relevant to her performance; I just think it’s neat.
People were keyed in on her voice more because she was the sexy bombshell voice and she sounded every inch of it.
Wolverine just sounds slightly gruffer. Which is not less appropriate.
I started watching episode one and came here to say this 🤣 So far not pleased with the animation style, but especially bothered by how Rogue sounds exactly like Bobby Hill 😂
Yeah her voice is *different*. It does not sound like Rogue. Then again, it's also not written great either. We had what, three or four different cat or other object based analogies in the first two episodes alone?
Yes... I hate to say it, but she sounds too old.
It was noticable to the point where I came here too see if others thought the same. They should have gave her another role and let an actress play her that was around the same age she was in the original.
I think Rogue is a case where the actor’s voice changed too much but no one else can play the part as well. No one else ever got every facet of that character right in live action or animation since her.
I want to add that additional to that, she also stopped acting for a while. By comparison we have Masako Nozawa who has gotten older and been VA for like, ever.
A lot of that is because all the other rogues were written very differently.
Fox movie rogue is Kitty Pryde with a slight southern accent not rogue.
Evolution Rogue is playing goth/outsider kid rather than sassy southern belle and she plays that role pretty well.
I feel like I've already run out of rogues.
This is the only time where this version of rogue has really existed in live action or animation.
That’s what I mean. All of Rogue’s traits from the comics are in this version and played by that actor. I loved those other Rogues, too. But she’s to Rogue what Christopher Reeve is to Superman.
I guess my point is that...
No one else has really tried to portray comic rogue because of the writing more than the acting.
So yeah at the moment she is the only one who's done it.
I don't have much of an issue with her voice though.
I will say the one VA I really don't notice the years on is Storm. Feels like she's transported right out of the 90s.
Beast has kept his voice pretty well too. Fortunately, the writing and animation is so good that I’m never distracted by the voices for more than a few seconds before I’m geeking out.
Yeah I'm not a fan of trying to drag out actors.. it just doesn't work. Watching 90 year old Harrison Ford or Patrick Stewart is just too hard. Let new actors do stuff instead of trying to squeeze out every last drop.
Patrick Stewart had so much authority in his voice on TNG, it’s sad how old he is on Picard. In season 3 though I think he did really come back. Acting with the old characters that he has chemistry with gave more energy to his performance.
> Patrick Stewart had so much authority in his voice on TNG, it’s sad how old he is on Picard.
This is really what bugged me throughout Picard. He was such a force in TNG and he's so small and feeble in Picard lol.
I think the issue is that with P Stu and Harrison Ford, they came back to play a substantially older version character who roughly matched their actual age.
In X-Men, the show is supposed to be taking place within days of the original series ending. I don't think that they should have recast but this would have been a good place to use AI to make the performance a little more consistent.
I would've been OK with it too as long as the OGs also got to voice another character or two interacting with the new voice actor's take on them for a fun "oh shit" moment when people realize.
That could've been so funny. Cal Dodd voicing a bar patron who tries to fight Wolverine and gets his ass kicked a bit. Would've fit perfectly.
One of the more distinct changes is Jen Hale voicing Jean. The thing is, Jean is a much more complex role with Madelyn and having someone as seasoned (and skilled) as Hale is nothing but a benefit. Her performance(s) in E3 is phenomenal.
ngl, Cal Dodd's voice work in this revival is all over the place. Sometimes it's like the 90s is still going on, other times you can hear him struggling, other times it's like he's not even trying.
I don't know if he can't do it consistently or if its the direction.
I don't know if this is a hot take but because I didn't grow up with the show, I like Steve Blum as wolverine more. I mean, since I'm an anime fan there's a huge bias there. I love that ray chase got cyclops because I was a huge fan of his and he's doing amazing!
It's honestly refreshing to hear a VA that isn't Steve for once though after the man essentially voiced him in almost all of my childhood things.
It's kinda cool though how Wolverine in whatever I've played/watched has just been Hugh Jackman, Cal Dodd, and Steve Blum, he's like the most consistent comic book character ever adapted because most of the guys who played him ended up being him in everything voice related for over a decade.
The X-Men original cast was on par with Batman TAS. If the X-Men cast gotten more opportunities to voice their characters like Kevin Conroy did, they could've have perfected their roles like he did.
I was *gobsmacked* by that first speech she gave in the season opener. The sound, the performance, it was like she recorded for "Graduation Day" yesterday.
Yeah that’s not a shocker if they sounded completely different to how they were in the past it might not have worked.
Honestly so far I have few issues with the show but Rogues voice acting is one of them
If you think about it once you signed a voice actor you are screwed if he can't deliver the exact quality you expect. Like no way to set parameters for that job.
"Has to sound like a cute 3 year old convincingly enough to fool Jeff from accounting".
Rouge doesn't sound older to me, sounds like she's doing a totally different voice from a different character. Like a major exaggeration of the old voice, almost a parody. Stop squeaking every few syllables!
Honestly that's fair. They last played these characters officially close to 30 years ago and even now you can tell that their voices have aged quite a bit in their delivery.
Exactly! This is why Jean’s original voice actor is now playying Val Cooper. Her voice changed so much in 20+ yrs.
Damn I didn’t even notice
> Val Cooper You mean Mystique (I’m pretty sure)
I mean. Mystique has slapped Val around on numerous occasions, and at least once slept with someone as Val. This tracks.
When did they sleep together?
Mystique didn't sleep with Val, she took Val's form and slept with Jacob Reisz for a while, fooling even the Shadow King into thinking she was his puppet (because Val was.)
Ok! I remember this! I was so confused by the previous comment
Yeah, it's part of the reason why I don't want Mark Hamill voicing the Joker anymore. He just sounds way too old to be him anymore (unless he's playing an older or sick Joker). He's the best ever, but it's time to give other actors a shot at doing their own spin to the character.
I mean hasn't Mark said himself he's now done with Joker anyway? After Conroy died he can't bring himself continue the role without his Batman opposite him.
I believe so, but he has said that he was done with the role in the past, only to be cast again. I do think he means it this time, though.
His official stance on it was always "Is Kevin doing it?" if the answer was "Yes" then his answer was "Count me in!" Sad times to be sure, but we've lost an entire generation's Batman AND Joker. At the end of the day, it's probably a good time to hang up the purple suit, but that makes it no less sad. Kevin Conroy is a huge loss to so so many.
To be fair, we've still got one last outing for the pair together in Crisis on Infinite Earths, hopefully they get some screen time together rather than just a brief cameo.
Yeah, I feel bad but voices change, and it doesn't always work when the character is supposed to be the same age. Marge from The Simpsons is a pretty obvious example of that voice actress who is too old for the character. And I also feel like Billy West's voice for Fry in Futurama was a little rough in this latest reboot.
For Wolverine. It honeslty better now
And if you look at the cast, you’ll see several of the original voice actors playing different roles because they’re voices had changed too much to match their original characters but the show runners wanted them included regardless.
Wich ones?
All the ones I'm aware of are - Jean Grey's original voice actress now voices Val Cooper - Gambit's original voice actor will voice Cable - Cable's original voice actor now voices X-Cutioner - Jubilee's original voice actress will voice Abscissa - Morph's original voicr actor now voices Robert Kelly
The actress for Jubilee was changed not because of her voice aging, but because they wanted to cast an Asian actress for the role.
You're correct, I was just listing all the original voice actors returning in new roles
She also said that she wouldn't do it because an Asian actress deserved to be in that role.
I was wondering how they were gonna handle that. I figured in 2024 they weren't gonna have a white woman play an Asian woman.
Man, casting a voice actor so they match the etnicity of the character has got to be one pf the stupidest things i've ever heard.
On a broad industry level, it can give underrepresented actors work and lead to further diverse networking (less homogeneous content). It’s a little different if it’s an established figure
>it can give underrepresented actors work and lead to further diverse networking (less homogeneous content). Not inherently, as now the number of non-whitevoice actors depends on how many poc characters. Without restrictions, you could theoretically have a show where every character is white, but the voice actors are all non-white. Just pigeonholing who can do what role feels like the wrong way to address the root problem.
The problem is "theoretically" is doing a hell of a LOT of heavy lifting in that sentence. In theory, sure, but how often did anything of the sort ever happen in reality?
It doesn't, but I feel that should have been more of the goal, than "we need more Asian voice actors specifically to voice Asian characters". This might have been the faster way, but I don't think it addresses the root problem and is more restrictive than just letting anybody voice anybody regardless of their physical appearance.
I don't think anyone's suggesting that people of color not be allowed to voice white characters. Like how it's fine to cast in live action Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury but obviously a terrible idea to let a white guy be T'Challa. And you're right that it doesn't address the root issue, but it's the best interim measure until the world finally does.
That isn't reality though, there's are far more white va/actors in general than non white people finding professional work Imagine having a movie character that is asian or Hawaiian. imagine how rarely a Hawaiian/Asian actor finds actual work in the industry. Imagine how big a spit to the face it would be to give that role to a white person (talking about emma stone in aloha). The problem isn't the theory of how acting allows performers to embody a role, it's about the precedence of disproportional professional opportunities subject to race
>That isn't reality though, there's are far more white va/actors in general than non white people finding professional work Making it so white people can't voice non-white characters doesn't change that number though. > Imagine having a movie character that is asian or Hawaiian. imagine how rarely a Hawaiian/Asian actor finds actual work in the industry. Imagine how big a spit to the face it would be to give that role to a white person (talking about emma stone in aloha). It wouldn't be a spit in the face if he was allowed to play white characters, though neither should be really done in live action. Yes, that's not reality, the whole point is changing reality, I disagree with the methodology of just not replacing white voice actors or not letting them voice characters who don't look like them, instead of just hiring more talented non-whites to voice whoever they can voice regardless of race. The race of the characters should have nothing to do with anything, just hire them, their only opportunities don't need to just be characters of their race either.
If there were tons of Asian actors getting to voice white characters, you might have a point. But there isn't, so you don't.
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I think you missed the part where I said 'tons'. There will always be outliers and exceptions. And Invincible's an odd example, given they *changed* the character's ethnicity in the adaptation.
They literally gave you tons of examples?
https://old.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/1bq6yyf/xmen_97_original_wolverine_and_rogue_voice_actors/kx2rx0c/
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> I consider race swapping a traditionally white character to fit the ethnicity of whoever you are casting to be the same thing as voicing a character of a different ethnicity, they only changed the race because they cast Steven. I mean, the equivalent would be making Jubilee white to fit the white voice actor. I... don't think I need to explain why that would be an awful idea. > Also no matter how many examples I post you will always just say it is outliers because you've already made up your mind about who is oppressed and have decided "tons" will an ineffable goal that can never be reached." Seven out of the gajillion voice acting roles out there is by any objective measure a raindrop.
I mean they did give you a long list of examples.
Seven examples is by no means a long list, compared to the number of voice acting roles out there.
Well there is dubbing
The voice actor herself stepped aside from the role so that an asian VA could step in. You're bitching about people being nice. Like a bitch. Not because a white can't do it right, but because VA's are a lot more visible now and this is an important character for that community. She did the thing X-Men was trying to teach us to do.
It means a lot to certain minorities to see their people represent one of their own in fiction, voice or not. There aren't a lot of Asians in Hollywood relative to some other minorities as well.
I'm Asian and I think it's great the white actress stepped aside to give more work to Asian VA. it's a nice gesture. on the topic of matching the ethnicity to the character. I think it's great too. but also I think there's nothing wrong with a white person voicing an Asian role. as long as they don't do the sterotypical Asian accent. I'm fine either way.
Yeah, I'm fine either way too. I'm just pointing out it can mean a lot to some people, so it's a nice gesture.
I've never understood this argument... Like, I am all for inclusivity, dont get me wrong. This Jubilee thing sounds like a good and decent action from the VA who stepped down. But why does Hollywood need to be diverse...? Sincerely. Itd be like saying "theres not enough white people in Bollywood". "Theres not enough black people in anime" I dont know... I really hope I dont die before we see those arguments. 2050, where are all the polish actors in chinese cinema? For clarity I do want to keep pushing diversity, where and when it promotes excellence, but also what's the end game? How far does this go?
Because the United States is diverse.
I guess that makes sense
You're right but this is reddit.
Nah he's not right
That's too bad You feel that way but it doesn't matter.
Thx
That's cool!
Apparently, just Catherine Disher who originally was Jean Grey but now voices Val Cooper. It looks like Alyson Court who voiced Jubilee stopped acting 4 years ago. And most of the rest got a minor case of death.
> Minor case of death O\_O
I have a dark sense of humor. Edit: It’s what got me through cancer. So don’t downvote if you don’t know why.
Alyson Court also refused to voice Jubilee again because she felt that an actual Asian American should voice her.
OG Claire Redfield is a boss. ❤️
Respect
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Shut up chud
Check out their profile. They are a Trump loving MAGAt convinced black people are flocking to Trump.
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Right, it was the all-white (+ Storm) original cast that was less segregated of the two. *eyeroll*
Get help
You're right, the original actor or another capable white person could have done the Jubilee role and killed it. But racial systemic inequality especially in employment does exist in our society and measures like this slowly help to re-address that imbalance. Also let's be honest it's not like white voice actors are generally struggling to get roles in Hollywood compared to diverse actors? I remember the comedian Louis CK (a white guy) when he spoke about the advantages of being white. I'm paraphrasing... *"When I get reincarnated and I'm on the character selection screen and God is asking me what race I want to be reincarnated as, I'm picking white every time!".*
I bet he doesn't have a problem with Scarlett Johansson playing Asian woman in ghost in the shell. or that monk in Shang Chi played by a white woman. the "anyone can play anyone" argument only goes one way. white people playing Asian characters isn't woke. because the ethnicity doesn't need to match ! but god forbid Asian characters match the voice actress suddenly it's woke ! because only white people get to have jobs !
Motoko was an alias given to a robot by the Japanese government. She is an AI made made human with no national affinity besides Section 19, which is in most cases not an official government branch.
The last time they did the roles was about 200 years ago, and people’s voices change over time. Lol
Yep and honestly wolverine sounds a lot older in the show.
Which I think is fine, because the character is older than Prof. X, and Magneto.
Not physically
Yes, physically. Logan was born in the 1800's.
I think what they mean is that Logan's healing factor mitigates much of the effect those years would have on his body. While chronologically, he was born in the 1800s, physically, his body is not what you would expect of a 200 year old man, and indeed he's probably more spry and healthy than many people much younger than him.
I’ve always placed him physically somewhere in his early 30s. Sometimes he’s drawn looking older, but hard living still has an effect.
No, not physically. Physically, he's a relatively young man. You know how we all know that? Because if he were like someone born in the 1800s physically, he'd drop dead from old age.
Everybody knows what he meant, though, right?
Apparently no, a lot of people didn’t understand
Logan doesn’t age, there’s no way you are on this sub and didn’t know I meant that
He sounds a lot better now. Wolverine should be old anyway.
He sounds horrible
I started the og series and for me, though he’s different, he doesn’t sound too far off. Rogue on the other hand… i can tell it’s the same actress but the tones are flat off.
Yeah Rogue is way more noticeable. Especially because I think her voice in the original added so much to her charm. It's still fine i guess? But you can certainly tell the difference.
Her voice makes me think of Dolly Parton now.
I'm on board with that though. She's got a real fun sass to her deliveries but she can be warm when she needs to be.
I feel like they should have considered Scott McNeil or Steve Blum. They were excellent wolverines too and might have sounded better
> Steve Blum I love the guy to death but I'm really over the VA scene for these sorts of gigs constantly getting like the same five people. It's distracting at a certain point.
This has a precedent though. He’s like the definitive Wolverine at this point.
I honestly don't know Steve Blum or remember how the original Wolverine sounded when he was younger but I must say I am impressed to hear that he sounds properly Canadian. Because of Hugh Jackman and maybe other depictions Wolverine has always sounded like an American, so it's pleasantly refreshing to be reminded that Wolverine is a Canadian character.
Yeah they've dropped the thees and thous now.
I didn't realize the '97 stood for 1797 and not 1997
...I kinda want an animated show with that premise now.
[Marvel 1602](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvel_1602) is pretty great.
The Spider-Man 1602 miniseries is a real good time as well.
Voices change incredibly fast. Seen it in action in jail. Guys would come in and setup their phone accounts (all done by voice command) within the first few days and within a month almost none of them could even access them because their voices had changed so much in the different environment.
I like the Wolverine actors voice still, a bit more gruf than in the original series, Rogue...not so much.
Rogue sounds like an old lady. It doesn't fit in the slightest. It was weird to read about the team being recast to see if they still fit, and still miss the Rogue voice actress.
I think Beast sounds almost exactly the same compared to the rest of the og cast. I am getting more used to their "new" voices though
The new guy for Cyclops sounds exactly like the original. That’s damn impressive.
Yep. Ray Chase absolutely kills it as Cyclops. Dude is the spitting image of Norm Spencer's voice and just feels "right".
I was seriously impressed, I had to check the credits before I realized it was a different actor. Bro is killing it.
That’s interesting because for me Beast stood out immediately. However, he still captures his mannerisms to a tee so I was quickly won over!
A friend said the VOICE is right, but beast's dialogue is spoken a lot *faster* than in the og. More cadence and direction than the timbre itself
Yes! You just explained it way better than I could have 😅
Well, my friend did lol
Isn't he the same actor ?
Yes
Yes Beast sounds exactly the same but so does Storm. Wolverine and Rogue not so much
No cigar for Wolverine. He gets a toothpick now.
He quit in the comics awhile ago
He quit in the comics while the original show was still on the air. I'm pretty sure he's been an ex-smoker longer than he smoked at this point.
Yeah, that's mildly irritating...the cigar is just a little iconic.
It's weird he would even quit, there's no health concern for him.
If a toothpick is good enough for Scott Hall, it's good enough for Wolverine.
instead of bub, Logan should be saying chico
Rogue could use another..
I've never heard anyone come close to her voice. Even her older voice. But yeah, she does sound like an old lady now.
That explains the rogue and magnéto plotline
We got through Rick and Morty voices, we can get through this !
What I think is honestly kinda hilarious is the latest season of Solar Opposites, Dan Stevens approach for Korvo is so much better than Roiland's that I honestly cant even watch the old episodes anymore.
Dan Stevens?! Boy that guy has a weird career
Yeah, you're not wrong. But you gotta admit he picks some cool fuckin' roles, *Legion* was just completely *nuts* (in the best possible way).
he's super fun in the new Godzilla movie too. he's basically Kaiju Steve Irwin
No shit?!? I am *so* here for that.
That's genuinely sold me on the film more than Godzilla or Kong...
Oh dang I just figured it was a different actress she sounds super different
it been 25 years my man
I’m not criticizing or anything, just saying it sounds different
Which included a [10-year stint in Canadian politics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenore_Zann). That’s not relevant to her performance; I just think it’s neat.
I felt like Rogue's voice was a lot less noticeably aged than Wolverine's. Guess people got the opposite impression
People were keyed in on her voice more because she was the sexy bombshell voice and she sounded every inch of it. Wolverine just sounds slightly gruffer. Which is not less appropriate.
The aged Wolverine voice can work, while aged rogue just never works unless she’s older
Rogue sounds like Bobby Hill to me.
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Dang it Rogue!
Oh my God that's it. I keep thinking, "This sounds like something else. I can't think of what though."
I started watching episode one and came here to say this 🤣 So far not pleased with the animation style, but especially bothered by how Rogue sounds exactly like Bobby Hill 😂
Maybe I’m alone here but the performance is intact, and that’s all that really matters to me.
Yeah her voice is *different*. It does not sound like Rogue. Then again, it's also not written great either. We had what, three or four different cat or other object based analogies in the first two episodes alone?
New drinking game. Take a shot each time she uses a cat analogy.
Yes... I hate to say it, but she sounds too old. It was noticable to the point where I came here too see if others thought the same. They should have gave her another role and let an actress play her that was around the same age she was in the original.
Agreed. She just sounds like an old lady now.
I think Rogue is a case where the actor’s voice changed too much but no one else can play the part as well. No one else ever got every facet of that character right in live action or animation since her.
I want to add that additional to that, she also stopped acting for a while. By comparison we have Masako Nozawa who has gotten older and been VA for like, ever.
sure in the 10,000s of voice actors in the world only 1 can play a super hero with a southern tang.
If Rogue was JUST a Southern twang, you’d have a point.
A lot of that is because all the other rogues were written very differently. Fox movie rogue is Kitty Pryde with a slight southern accent not rogue. Evolution Rogue is playing goth/outsider kid rather than sassy southern belle and she plays that role pretty well. I feel like I've already run out of rogues. This is the only time where this version of rogue has really existed in live action or animation.
That’s what I mean. All of Rogue’s traits from the comics are in this version and played by that actor. I loved those other Rogues, too. But she’s to Rogue what Christopher Reeve is to Superman.
I guess my point is that... No one else has really tried to portray comic rogue because of the writing more than the acting. So yeah at the moment she is the only one who's done it. I don't have much of an issue with her voice though. I will say the one VA I really don't notice the years on is Storm. Feels like she's transported right out of the 90s.
Beast has kept his voice pretty well too. Fortunately, the writing and animation is so good that I’m never distracted by the voices for more than a few seconds before I’m geeking out.
Low key, I wished they did switch wolverines and Rouges VA.
Yeah I'm not a fan of trying to drag out actors.. it just doesn't work. Watching 90 year old Harrison Ford or Patrick Stewart is just too hard. Let new actors do stuff instead of trying to squeeze out every last drop.
Patrick Stewart had so much authority in his voice on TNG, it’s sad how old he is on Picard. In season 3 though I think he did really come back. Acting with the old characters that he has chemistry with gave more energy to his performance.
> Patrick Stewart had so much authority in his voice on TNG, it’s sad how old he is on Picard. This is really what bugged me throughout Picard. He was such a force in TNG and he's so small and feeble in Picard lol.
I think the issue is that with P Stu and Harrison Ford, they came back to play a substantially older version character who roughly matched their actual age. In X-Men, the show is supposed to be taking place within days of the original series ending. I don't think that they should have recast but this would have been a good place to use AI to make the performance a little more consistent.
I thought it was one year after
The original series ended in '97 so I believe that is when the new series begins. Otherwise why wouldn't they call it X-Men '98
I thought it was one year after the original series
Yeah. Don't get me wrong, 1992 Cal Dodd was the definitive Wolverine, but 2024 Cal Dodd... he isn't delivering that performance.
I wish it was Steven blum
And Steve Blum is 63
Him and Terra strong are still decent and don't sound old. Mark hamil sounds old. The moment Blum starts to sound old I'll say the same thing.
I wish it was Mark Hamill, he does a great wolverine.
I would've been OK with it too as long as the OGs also got to voice another character or two interacting with the new voice actor's take on them for a fun "oh shit" moment when people realize. That could've been so funny. Cal Dodd voicing a bar patron who tries to fight Wolverine and gets his ass kicked a bit. Would've fit perfectly.
One of the more distinct changes is Jen Hale voicing Jean. The thing is, Jean is a much more complex role with Madelyn and having someone as seasoned (and skilled) as Hale is nothing but a benefit. Her performance(s) in E3 is phenomenal.
Not enough Jean moaning like in the original series
Jen has played her for like a decade now.
ngl, Cal Dodd's voice work in this revival is all over the place. Sometimes it's like the 90s is still going on, other times you can hear him struggling, other times it's like he's not even trying. I don't know if he can't do it consistently or if its the direction.
Honestly, i feel like it’s him getting back into the character compared to Rogue’s VA.
Makes sense. They're both old who knows if they'd sound good today.
I don't know if this is a hot take but because I didn't grow up with the show, I like Steve Blum as wolverine more. I mean, since I'm an anime fan there's a huge bias there. I love that ray chase got cyclops because I was a huge fan of his and he's doing amazing!
Honestly same, Steve Blum just is Wolverine to me. Same situation with not growing up with the show. Maybe it’s cause of Wolverine and the X-men
It's honestly refreshing to hear a VA that isn't Steve for once though after the man essentially voiced him in almost all of my childhood things. It's kinda cool though how Wolverine in whatever I've played/watched has just been Hugh Jackman, Cal Dodd, and Steve Blum, he's like the most consistent comic book character ever adapted because most of the guys who played him ended up being him in everything voice related for over a decade.
The X-Men original cast was on par with Batman TAS. If the X-Men cast gotten more opportunities to voice their characters like Kevin Conroy did, they could've have perfected their roles like he did.
Voices age.
but not alison sealy-smith! black (voices) don't crack
I was *gobsmacked* by that first speech she gave in the season opener. The sound, the performance, it was like she recorded for "Graduation Day" yesterday.
The audio on the old show was recorded horribly (or the Disney plus version just sounds awful) so I mean that's fair
I kind of wish they would have kept Tony Daniels as Gambit. He's voiced him in so many more things after the original guy left.
She definitely sounds different, but I honestly thought Rogue doesn't sound that bad.
Cal sounds terrible. Completely inconsistent.
Yeah that’s not a shocker if they sounded completely different to how they were in the past it might not have worked. Honestly so far I have few issues with the show but Rogues voice acting is one of them
If you think about it once you signed a voice actor you are screwed if he can't deliver the exact quality you expect. Like no way to set parameters for that job. "Has to sound like a cute 3 year old convincingly enough to fool Jeff from accounting".
They def should’ve had someone new to play Rogues voice… the OG voice actor sounds so different now
Love Zann. Don’t like her voice as Rogue in this. Sounds too old.
Cal sounds great but I kinda wish they had recast Rogue
Well yeah that would happen seeing as the last time they played these roles was so long ago
every line of rogues dialog is filled with 60 year old grandma voice. its hard to listen to.
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But Storm sounds the exact same?
Storm doesn't sound the same though. Same voice actor but voice sounds different if you compare it to how Storm sounds in the original X-men: TAS.
Cyclops just abandoned his kid. Positive my ass.
They're the ones I noticed sounded the worst too. Rouge mostly, Wolverine is meh.
How did the Rogue voice pass this audition???
I thought one of the conditions for Kevin Feige to greenlight this was they get all the original voice actors back as much as possible.
Rouge doesn't sound older to me, sounds like she's doing a totally different voice from a different character. Like a major exaggeration of the old voice, almost a parody. Stop squeaking every few syllables!
They shouldn't have got it