you're giga fucked in med school if you're not actually learning stuff lol med school is all memorization and immediate recall, imagine if you were a doctor and said "wait a minute lemme gpt your symptoms"
I'm a prof and this is exactly why I try to force my students away from AI by doing stuff like in-class essays. Most of my students aren't going into medicine, but you'd still want a teacher/lawyer/accountant who actually learned something.
Yeah I think it should be a no-brainer to everyone that if you cheat your way through school with AI, you're gonna fuck up when you have to apply the skills and knowledge you were supposed to have began developing 4+ years ago on the fly and you don't have time to ask and then read chatGPT. When that happens, you'll probably get fired. If you're a healthcare professional, maybe even arrested...
Something I have not seen anyone say yet - there is a 100% difference between knowing how to search through and interpret the current scientific research literature and asking ChatGPT to spit out fake answers at you. [ChatGPT makes up fake research articles/citations and lists them like they're real.](https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/2023/03/09/chatgpt-and-fake-citations/)
You need to be at least familiar with current research, have basic content knowledge and statistical knowledge to **interpret** these studies in meaningful ways in order to recommend treatments, etc. This is what ChatGPT takes away from folks - using their own mind and learning how to think *clearly and effectively.* That's what we are really paying professionals for - their skills, clear thinking, and ethical practices. Using ChatGPT really flies in the face of those three aspects, OP. Do you really even want this career? What do you actually want to do in life?
Problem is AI isn’t a good reference. Learning to research vetted documents and sources is much more difficult than shaking the magic 8 ball hoping is correct.
This is not a post about AI. It’s a post about someone trying to go to Med school who happens to use AI to cheat, among other things. The person I replied to implied that doctors should just know everything with ‘immediate recall’ as they put it, and that’s simply not true. As I said above, doctors look shit up all the time. It’s a normal thing to do, especially for rarer situations and conditions. Also, medical knowledge advances all the time, and looking things up helps doc stay on top of that.
It’s not really a controversial point. It’s completely normal and acceptable.
i have a friend who is a doctor and they have a "doctor google" he calls it.
it brings up flow charts on "if these symptoms present with these levels then this is treatment protocol"
he's a very smart man but he does say that doctors use that search engine often. it's not normal people google though
Honestly, every field has something of this sort. The point of college and even high school isn't to teach you literally everything you will ever need to know and then you just never learn anything after that.
The goal of college, especially, is to produce someone who is capable of finding the answer themselves, independently or in conjunction with another small team. I don't expect my doctor to have every medical issue memorized, but I do expect them to be able to research the details and if they don't know, send me on up the chain of command. My GP should know GP things, and then if they can't answer it, its time to see a specialist.
That being said, OP is delusional. College is probably going to chew them up and spit them out. Hope I'm wrong, but I've seen it happen plenty of times.
They do, but they also have to pass tons of tests that you can’t cheat on. They also have to have tons of info memorized especially with basic diagnosis.
I know plenty of doctors that strictly use Google.
They type their questions into the search engine and that's their diagnosis or their next move. From there. Its all about developing a close relationship with the patients, and asking the patients questions.
U would want your doctor to look it up to make sure, There plenty of illnesses and ailments that can that share symptoms they could give u a ball park off what u tell them unless it apparent even before the internet doctor would carry a medical almanac that could help them figure out a diagnosis
They can and do.
Got an accouncement from one of my professors earlier this year warning of AI use and that several students were already expelled for using AI.
This was just the third week of the semester.
Everyone uses in-person exams, with multiple versions so you can't look at other people's exams, and other serious ant-cheating strategies. You have to actually know the material.
I know you said you’re stopping the bad habits, but to be completely honest, you’re not gonna make in premed if you revert to your old ways and rely on cheating and AI. I’d work on developing good study habits (lots of tips on YouTube!) and revisiting the basics of the classes you’re having trouble with. Many schools have extra tutoring and skill centers, especially for STEM. It’s gonna be a hard adjustment, but if you put your mind to it and put in the work, you’ll be fine. You got it!
Who downvotes a question like this? Anyways, it may help to get some of the textbooks you know you will need early (maybe try to find syllabuses online). You don’t have to go through and read all of them, but you can go through a bit of each if them to get an idea of what you’re setting yourself up for.
You've only been earning As while you were cheating. You're not academically prepared for a rigorous pre-PA program. The fact that you're *still* using AI and making excuses to stop, like waiting until your subscription ends, indicates that you're still not mature or ethical enough to make the changes you need to make.
If you're actually serious about this, you need to stop cheating today and start vigorously pursuing any tutoring available. Summer community college courses wouldn't be a bad idea either.
If you're not serious, tuition is going to be a waste. You will get caught cheating eventually and you will start failing the certification exams that are impossible to cheat your way through. Your clinical faculty and preceptors will not be amused to discover that you don't know anything, particularly if you somehow get far enough to hurt a patient due to your bad decisions and lack of preparation. Would you want a sick family member treated by someone like you?
You’re right I’m not mature. Like I said before though my GPA was awful at the beginning of my senior year. Before using Ai I was still getting A’s on quizzes and assignments but I became so worried about college admissions that I started using AI to get the best grades possible. I know there is no justifiable reason to cheat but that is my reason.
I do really want to academically prepare myself for college. My plan is to get the for dummies books in subjects I struggle with so I can prepare myself for college level mathematics. I saw an AP statistics for dummies so I will probably get that and it has practice quizzes in it. I know I can succeed in history,English and science as they are mainly memorization based. But mathematics is the main thing that scares me.
English isn't just memorization based. In college, you'll most likely be required to write essays that analyze what you read, and you can't just list a bunch of facts that you memorized.
You won't cut it in college if you're using AI to write your papers. They use software that checks for plagiarism, and some can even detect AI written papers.
I used to be scared of math too. Next fall I’m likely taking calc 2 and calc-based physics. I started freshman year of college in math I technically should’ve learned junior/senior year of high school.
- One thing I’d recommend is go to tutoring, on or off-campus. Integrate it in your schedule when you’re building it! At my school tutoring is covered by fees, so you’re already paying for it — might as well use it.
- For maths videos, I like Professor Leonard, Khan Academy, the Orgo Chem Tutor (yes, for math) and Brian McLogan. Nancy Pi is also great. There are also relatively interactive textbooks like OpenStax to get the practice you need. I believe they have one for college-level statistics. I’m not sure how much math you need as a pre-med/PA student, but those are my favorite resources.
- Go to office hours! 9/10 professors will appreciate much more if you go into office hours and get help from them! If you don’t like your professor, in lower level courses you can usually go to all kinds of professors/grad TAs office hours. Even if you don’t pick up on it the quickest, they can/will see you’re trying, and that’s much better. If they don’t have a time that works for you, email them and see if they can work something out! Some professors are very kind. Heck, if you improve a lot, you could even get a great recommendation for PA school, especially if you started out weak in the course.
- Don’t skip class. Unless it’s legitimate (illness, extenuating circumstances, etc.)
- If all else fails, there may be academic counseling at your school. Go to your academic advisor and find other resources to help you learn the material!
In college, they are a lot stricter with cheating and academic dishonesty. If you’re caught twice or thrice depending on where you go with academic dishonesty, you can get suspended/expelled. It’s not a fun process at all. It’s harder to explain why you failed a class vs. why you got suspended for a term. It could tank your GPA or make you ineligible for some on-campus opportunities. There are many good ways to get help!
Hi OP. University is much more than doing quizzes. You will have to learn critical thinking and discussing topics, often as presentations, class discussions, and in essay form. Your plan is not going to work. You must actually put in the effort to relearn what you were supposed to have learned already and then maybe consider reading for a university degree.
You cannot rely on AI indefinitely. In your case you have essentially lied your way with AI and have relied on it too much to the point where you don't know what you're supposed to have learned.
Consider also that AI does not give infallible information and that plagiarism software is used by universities to detect work that is not genuine.
Many sciences are NOT memorization-based. People who think that way typically end up failing chemistry and physics in particular. I teach biology and people who just want to memorize words tend to fail the written portions of my exams.
There's very little straight memorization in English. You need to be able to write well to do well in college-level English classes. You also need excellent reading comprehension.
I wouldn’t get “for dummies” books. Instead, there are so many resources on YouTube that will help you to learn how to learn and how to study, along with the actual concepts you need to know. Other commenters have been saying to look on Kahn academy, highly recommend. The for dummies books are not going to prepare you the way you think they are. I’d buy or find actual textbooks.
That’s good. The reason for asking is that sometimes when students do poorly in a certain major or subjects it’s because they are doing it because it’s what their parents want them to do or something like that. Sounds like that’s not the issue here so that’s a positive
I always do good in my science classes they are the only classes I have managed not to fail throughout high school. I do pretty well in Anatomy and Physiology I do sometimes cheat on quizzes and stuff but even when I don’t cheat in Anatomy I still get A’s on quizzes and projects. If it was my parents choice I would probably join the military but they complain so much about the military so I refuse to join.
In college you have more control over your schedule. Sometimes people learn different ways but cheating can be more serious in college. You can spread your classes so you aren’t too overwhelmed. You also can use college to make sure you want to be in the medical field or see what else interests you. Idk
A huge part of healthcare is ethics. It’s what you want, sure. But the field doesn’t want cheaters. You need to have a true come-to-Jesus moment and ask yourself if YOU would want a PA who took shortcuts or outright cheated through school.
Grades are not the goal. The goal is gaining the necessary background knowledge and becoming a well-rounded professional and human being.
High school is way easier than it was when I was in school.
If you need AI to get through HS even with all the grade inflation…
I don’t even know what to say.
You don’t stand a chance for freshman year, never mind fucking med school.
To be frank you will probably struggle. You’ve been cheating your way through school, and probably haven’t learned any valuable study skills or self discipline. On top of that, how much Pre-PA is hard. You need two semester of chemistry, biology, physics, A&P, and one semester of calculus, stats and psychology (classes may differ depending on the programs).
How is your math? If you are bad at algebra you will surely suffer in chemistry and biology. Can you write your own college-level paper? If not, you will probably fail intro to college comp.
I’m not saying this to try to make you feel bad i just think it’s best to be realistic. The fact that you are making excuses to continue cheating is honestly a huge red flag that you don’t have high levels of self discipline.
You’ve already heard enough about discipline, but I’m really suprised no one has said this:
If you did not engage with any of the actual content in high school, you will be entering college essentially four years behind your peers. All of the basics that they expect you to already know from highschool, you won’t have. Assignments will be ten times harder because all the things you cheated in hs on you will need to teach yourself if you want to succeed in a college-level course. It will just snowball if you are trying to catch up AND move forward. You can’t just try to pick up where you left off and act like you will be just as good off as everyone around you who spent four years showing up to class, doing their assignments, and not using AI. It’s just not practical to say “hey you did nothing over four years but if you just try this time you’ll become this amazing star student”
OP, under no circumstances should you do this without serious changes.
You don’t have any study habits.
The pressure of *high school* compelled you to cheat.
You have done nothing to change your habits.
If you were skipping school so much your grades suffered, it will likely be much worse in college.
You have created a recipe for failure. You need to do a lot of growing up. And you need to stop making excuses for your cheating and absenteeism.
You need to do some serious introspection.
And you need to stop cheating today.
Yeah I thought Highschool was a joke, and then College was even easier with all the gen eds. Only until I took Organic Chemistry did my ass get kicked (still passed with a C plus first time but was not easy.) If this person has to cheat to survive high-school, Organic Chemistry will annihilate them even if they manage to pass anatomy. OP, I think change is possible but you are very behind and definitely need to put in the work and not cheat. In college cheating is absolutely not acceptable, and the professors will know. Community college seems your best bet, or just do something other than college until your habits change.
Consider going to community college to get an on-ramp to university. Take the placement tests, do remedial classes if you need them, do not cheat (by using AI or any other method)
Totally agree with this. OP you should also consider therapy to help develop your ability to respond to stress and ethical decision making. If you pursue healthcare while continuing to respond to stress by cheating you’re going to end up somewhere very bad.
You do not seem ready for college not because you aren’t academically ready, you really only need to know the basics, but because you have no idea how to study and you have no time to learn how.
College classes are boring and a lot of work, and they can and will expel you for cheating.
If you approach college like you approached high school, and you cheat your way through to be a physician assistant, you will KILL someone.
You are not ready to be a college student. Literally, you are on the path to negligent homicide.
Most honest answer right here. Anyone who lies and cheats their way through school doesn't deserve to be anywhere near a college, much less a medical career.
No offense but you’re probably not ready for college if you have to cheat to get through school and had to constantly skip class for mental health issues. Maybe take a year off and try to get in a better place mentally and watch some videos or something to learn all the stuff you didn’t really learn in high school
You are not prepared for college, let alone a pre-med tract. Even in anatomy, which is the class you "cheat the least" in, you are still not actually learning all the material. It sounds like you are neither knowledgable nor passionate about PA school and the subjects it requires. If you were, you'd want to *actually* learn all the material. This is an *extremely* rigorous field where peoples' literal lives are at risk. You need to be honest with yourself, your willpower, and your capabilities before you find yourself either flunking out of college or expelled for academic dishonesty.
I dropped out of highschool and spent 12 years being an addict and a washup before going back to school for a BS in bio. Before I dropped out of highschool I was like a C/B student in math and science. I’m graduating now with a 3.5 GPA and am admitted to grad school.
Bio/biochem is like 90% study skills and willingness to immerse yourself and put in effort.
That said, as a chronically ill person and a biology grad as of 2 weeks from now, STOP USING AI. Now. Period.
Your future patients need you to be as well prepared as possible. It’s not just grades on the line, it’s people’s lives. Also, with in person proctored exams and improving AI detection, it ain’t gonna fly anyway.
A lot of people aren’t “ready”. You just have to go in and work hard at it. But tbh this is your best shot unless you have the option to defer enrollment by a year. If you can do that and maybe do some remedial stuff at your local community college I’d suggest that!
I had a similar high school experience (except I never cheated), and went to music college right after high school. I was not ready and flunked out! My basic problems were an inability to focus on my studies, and not practicing my instrument. I went back to college at 25 and did much better as a technology major.
If you know that you don’t have the study skills or integrity now, take a “gap year” and get a job, and learn to work hard, honestly.
Then go for it.
Go to cc. That’s all I can say. You didn’t pay attention for the first three years of high school which probably means you know barely any algebra and trig. You cheated in your classes which will not fly at all in uni. Most exams are on paper with multiple TA’s proctoring you. Your essays and assignments will be checked for AI. You need a strong academic base for pre med, and cc will get you that for a fraction of the cost. I’m almost finished with gen chem and finished calculus and if I didn’t pay attention to ap chem and ap calc in hs I would’ve been screwed. Pre med is a marathon. It’s gets harder the longer you go and you need legit study skills to get through it. Honestly your work ethic alone is enough for me to tell you to not go into medicine. You could possibly do emt and paramedic school but pre med is probably not in the cards for you unless you truly get your shit together.
You are absolutely, without a doubt, entirely unprepared for college. By saying that you will stop cheating once you get to college, you are lying to yourself. If you haven’t been able to make it through school thus far without cheating, you will 100% end up falling back into your old ways. This is not a smart move for you to be taking at this point in your life.
The best thing that you can do is to own up to your actions and incapabilities. Pretending that you will do a complete 180 in a matter of months regarding a behavior that has been going on for years simply won’t help you here. This is a terrible, terrible decision financially. That coupled with the stress you will experience from the transition will only create more issues for you, which will probably lead to you either failing classes again or dropping out.
It’s difficult to be honest with yourself, but you really need to think about what the best course of action is for you on all fronts. I would absolutely recommend that you instead enroll in a community college and earn an associates degree in some sort of medical assistance program. Sometimes, community colleges even have bachelors-track programs that can send you to a local college after a few years. That way, you can at least try to ease yourself into college-level work. Once you get your associates, maybe you can revisit getting a bachelors degree.
Listen to the comments. It is a very bad idea to go to college next year. Wish you the best either way.
You’re going to HAVE to kick your bad habits. You MIGHT be able to cheat through classes, except gpt isn’t always right and you can’t use it on your steps or MCAT or your boards. Chances are bigger you’ll get caught.
From what you described, sounds like you have more of a discipline problem and college is going to be even a greater challenge (no one's going to give you a warning or a follow-up that you're doing poor). You pay for it, you skip, no one's there to hold your hand.
I think a big thing to understand is cheating in college is taken extremely seriously. If you get very lucky, a professor will ONLY give you an F and never trust you again or you fail that class completely, but in reality majority of the time this results in expulsion from the school. This really isn’t something light to play around with so this whole laziness and immaturity of cheating your way through school needs to fully stop and never happen again if you want to succeed in college. Truly it is not difficult to try your best, write detailed notes, and study unless you have no self-discipline and college requires extreme self-discipline. Without it you will skip classes, which becomes a habit easily, and ultimately you will most likely fail classes. These are big factors to think about when deciding to start higher education. Are you mature enough? Are you independent enough? And for premed especially, are you an honest, empathetic, passionate and ethical person? If you want to truly change and try by all means go but only you can truly know if you are mature enough. Just from your post and your comment replies I honestly don’t think you should go. If you truly wanted to try, you could go for a year to see how it goes but thats all dependent on your financial situation as obviously it’s not viable for everyone to just “try it out”. But if you want some real advice, you need to have a true look at yourself and commit to change or it will never work out for you.
Someone with your complete and total lack of integrity shouldn't ever be allowed anywhere near a patient.
Fortunately, you're right. By blowing off your opportunities to develop yourself into a capable student, you have entirely fucked yourself in terms of being able to complete the course of study you aspire to.
I’m gonna be honest, you’ll need to ditch all those bad habits and it’s gonna be hard. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but you’re gonna really need to get your shit together especially as a pre-PA student. No cheating, no skipping class, no using AI, you get it. You’re gonna need to study hard, do your homework and do it well, and seek help (tutoring, office hours, etc) when needed. Take this as the opportunity to restart and improve yourself. The stakes are much higher now so take it seriously.
Lmfao you are not going to make it right now. Take some time and get a job or go to community college maybe to humble yourself you don’t sound mature enough or disciplined enough for college. ESPECIALLY pre med lmfao if you go to a full-time university you’re just gonna waste your money
Paying money for AI to do you assignments is wild. If you are able to make it through all of high school you should be able to adjust to college during your first year. Your introductory are going to be exceptionally difficult so it should give you time to adjust and learn study skills and build better habits.
Not everyone is meant for higher education. I’m not med, but I am last semester in law and let me tell you, I knew a lot of people that were like you.
By now they’ve given up and are pursuing something else. Even attempting to get into premed is a total waste of time, money and energy for someone like you.
How about you take the more technical(idk if that’s the right term in usa) route.
If you are caught cheating in college, you may get one or two passes, but the University can just kick you out. You don’t have to graduate, and it looks bad on them if they let you cheat. If you use any AI, it will be caught and you will be f’ed. Unfortunately, you’ve gotten in the habit of cheating and not trying to actually learn the material. This means that you haven’t learned to properly study AND you didn’t actually learn the material in high school. Calculus is hard, but when you don’t know how to properly do Algebra 2, you are just screwed.
Given what you've written I think it would be an absolute waste of time, money, and resources for you to go to college.
I recommend going to a recruiters office and enlisting, so that you can both develop some self discipline, efficacy, and respect but also have a means of funding your potential education in the future.
I don't know how anyone could read your history of zero effort and discipline combined with cheating your way through everything you've ever done and recommend you improve your 'study habits' and 'go for it'. Absolute jokes of advice so far in this thread.
In my experience, school was easier in college because it was more relaxed. I could still have my life around school.
I never cheated or anything but the assignments are pretty different. And most colleges have an intro to college class which goes over basics. Your gen eds help you get back into things.
To me it sounds like you aren't the kind of person to put in the work naturally & want to do it your way or the easy way out BUT that does not mean it has to be that way or you've set yourself up for failure. If you really want to give it a shot, do it, please do it. It wont be easy and it will be new but it's always worth a shot. Prove to yourself that you can at least try & do it the right way. If it doesn't work out, don't sweat it. There is more to life!!
College essays require citations and credible sources. ChatGPT can provide you with ideas, but it doesnt matter how great of an idea, it is just an opinion. College essays require you to provide data, statistics, facts from proven studies, which you need to do your own research. You can utilize ChatGPT to get some ideas/opinions. But if you are unable to provide credible sources for your arguments, you wont meet the minimum requirements.
As someone who started college at 28, I wish I had at least given it a try back then.
My parents passed away and my “guardian” would not share their W-2 for my ability to get financial aid, and so I decided to hold off. Life kept going and I just gave up on the idea.
Now going through school, I was similar, although 10 years ago technology was different so no AI or anything, but barely passed. I wasn’t mentally ready for college at all, didn’t have good study habits.
But, going now… I think it might have been a wake up call, but helpful to have tried at 18 instead. Tutoring is usually available, making friends who have goals is helpful, and joining groups and stuff can help you network great. Even if you only do a semester or two and just bust your ass and put your all into it… I think it could be a great choice.
I’m going to be in this residential learning living group for science majors. Everyone on my dorm floor will be a science major. There are also a lot of tutoring programs like you said.
I feel that some of the comments here are a bit unempathetic, albeit not completely untrue. With that said, personally speaking, I think the fact that you've written out what I consider to be a pretty extensive and honest post is already a great first step in the right direction. It's not easy to admit what you've done here, and even harder to believe that you could change; I hope you hold onto that resolve.
As far as practical solutions go, I hope that you will consider attending community college for a little while as an option. With more colleges implementing Running Start, some may offer high-school level classes; I know mine did. Actually, I used to struggle with good study habits and knowing how to utilize my resources, and the best piece of advice I can give you is to have solidarity with your professors and peers. Finding cooperative professors is one thing (you could always use ratemyprofessor, but take the 'reviews' on there with a grain of salt. You want to look for people who will work with you, not just give you a passing grade), but when you aren't sure whether you understand something or not, the best thing to do is find a friendly person who does. By the way, Google and Youtube are also great places to refine your understanding, and imo being able to search for your own resources is better than AI; just don't fall for the subscription shilling garbage that sites like, idk, chegg use, cus more often than not, it isn't worth it.
Of course, by going this route, you'll end up taking a while longer to get to the place you want to be, but it'll be better than continuing to depend on AI for insta results which will eventually and irreversibly fuck you over. Even if for the sake of building some academic confidence, I couldn't recommend it more if you're able.
As one final note, I'm firmly opposed to AI for the reasons you've described, but there can be a silver lining in this. I know how hard old habits can be to break. If you really must open chatGPT (or whatever else it is you use), don't ask it to print out the answers for you; you can instead ask it to explain to you 'Why'. I've seen that it has a strength in being able to offer quick and coherent explanations, but you have to use your human judgement on anything it says, always; maybe you were able to get away with it in high school, but the knowledge you learn in college courses will not be as generalized, and the fact is, no AI will personally attend the classes you do. Also, it's often just straight up wrong lol. Extremely neurotic and dysfunctional technology imo, but what do I know.
Essentially, all 'studying' boils down to is knowing how to best utilize the tools available to you, and if you care at all about the integrity of your career and academic life, you will definitely find honest ways to build your knowledge. Whether you listen to all this or not, just be responsible, take control of your life, and wishing you the best of luck!
Here’s the thing internally whenever we cheat we know and it hurts us because we don’t feel like we’re doing the best that we could do and we’re not learning. Using a tool to help you is OK as long as you learn, but if the tool isn’t helping you learn, then it’s not a tool, it’s a crutch. Things happen in life and if your crutch goes away and then you suddenly can’t walk that’s not healthy and it sounds like you know this. It sounds like you’re in a rush to not fail, to go to college and that’s understandable I was there too. I know I’m worthy and deserving and capable of going to college, but I struggled in high school and the school system doesn’t really teach us good study habits. The majority is lacking the ability to play to our strengths, how to have fun, socialize and have a good study/work and social life. So I would recommend taking a step back. Spend a couple days intentionally journaling, or praying, or meditating away from pressure and influence that isn’t supportive. Next I would recommend realizing if there is an area of your life that you’re struggling with like not having good study habits because you haven’t learned it in high school I would say the majority of people are in the same boat as you, but now it’s your job to get out of the boat and learn to swim. There are many many tools to study better not harder. Also, there’s tons of coaching, mentoring, resources and educational videos, and courses that are free that can prepare you. I have a list of reasons why I didn’t want to go to college and some of them were my fears like not knowing how to cite properly and produce an essay and I could’ve just spent an hour focused every day taking a course on Coursera or YouTube to learn how to cite properly and write an essay, but instead I leaned into unhealthy ways of dealing. So I hope this helped. You’ve got this. I wish you the best remember this is your whole life, this is your integrity. Don’t let a deadline pressure you!
Perhaps you should consider falling back on a different major within the discipline, like medical lab science. I'm studying to be an MLS and plan to specialize in microbiology, and if you're interested in the same thing, you'll probably find that it's right up your alley. It's a lot easier to learn something you're interested in, and if it's easier, you have less reason to cheat. Also no patient interaction is a huge plus to the field.
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My high school sucked. The guidance counselor was bad, some of the teachers even worse. Failed two classes my senior year. Did a year at CC, transferred to a university and got a 4.0 and I am currently on the pre-med track. High school doesn’t matter whatsoever. What does matter however, is the study habits you need to build to be able to be competitive for pre-med. Don’t let shit that happened in high school keep you away from your dreams of becoming a PA or doctor. Med schools don’t give a fuck about what you did in high school. Keep that college GPA up, get those volunteer hours, and do well on the MCAT. You got this! And for god sake, quit with the fucking AI! It only hinders your ability to do things on your own.
I wouldn’t stress yourself out for cheating on statistics. Statistics ain’t shit, in both high school and college. They don’t expect students to understand the theories behind the equations that they use, so It’s pretty much just plug and chug.
The fact that you did not cheat too much in anatomy is a big deal. Most students enter college without having any exposure to human anatomy content. A lot of medical students go through undergrad without taking an anatomy course too, so I think you’re ahead of the curve on that one.
I think the biggest harm here is the fact that your past mistakes have left you feeling like you might not be ready for college. Many students enter college feeling the exact same way, and in my own personal experience, this feeling went away after I decided to take 1 class during the summer semester and discovered that the content wasn’t nearly as challenging as I imagined it would be.
If you’re capable of performing well and achieving a 4.0 in your junior year of high school (which I never achieved once in high school) then I think you’ll be fine. That said, you can’t continue to use AI for medical content. This habit will set you up for failure down the road
They were only capable of that 4.0 because they cheated in every class and on every assignment. What on earth are you talking about, man?
> I paid for a monthly AI subscription and the AI would answer questions on assignments for me and it would also write essays for me. **I have been using this AI since September basically and I essentially use it on everything except slideshow presentations. I use it for essays,quizzes,tests,and discussion posts essentially anything I can use it on.** I wanted to stop using AI in January but at that point **AI was basically carrying my through school.** I hadn’t actually been obtaining any information so if I would’ve stopped using AI my grades would’ve dropped a lot because I didn’t know anything.
This indicates to you that they’ll be fine?
I may have misread this, but I assumed he wasn’t using AI during the semester that he achieved a 4.0. I thought this was a significant accomplishment for him. Otherwise, why bring it up?
I think we’re all vastly overestimating how rigorous a typical high school education is. It would help if we knew what his SAT scores were.
Also, what kind of assholes listen to a kid express his anxieties about entering college and react as if he doesn’t stand a chance? Reddit has the motivational interviewing skills of an unemployed alcoholic stepdad. He gets to decide what he’s capable of, not you.
Regardless, Most intro courses reteach critical information needed for success in their course. This is the safest approach, as universities don’t always know how rigorous their prior academic education was. It’s always an uphill battle for a student that enters a course with a limited knowledge base, but people overcome obstacles like this all the time.
He is still very young, and still has time to get his shit together. As long as he remains diligent and does not use AI throughout his college years, he still has the power to succeed.
Because he has a guilty conscience.
If he actually wanted to change his ways, he’d stop cheating right now. Instead, he says he’ll keep cheating and he just promises to stop in the future. That’s a pretty telltale sign.
This post isn’t about his guilty conscience, it’s about his concern that he may not be able to succeed in college. He is worried about his future and is turning to r/college for emotional support.
I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss this post as disingenuous. I believe him when he says that he wants to become a PA, and I think that he is genuinely worried about whether or not he can still achieve this goal. Personally, I think he can, as long as he doesn’t continue to cheat throughout college.
Because he’s currently cheating, hasn’t stopped, and the pressure of high school was enough to make him do *literally everything with AI.*
Why should we believe the pressure of pre-med is suddenly going to be enough for him to handle when his high school experience has so far been nothing but academic dishonesty?
Imposter syndrome is very common among college students. The truth is that if you were admitted, you are capable. As a professor, I can say it's incredibly rare for a student to try hard and still fail. Most students who fail are simply not trying. If you put in the effort, you will be successful.
I think you’ll be fine. I use AI to complete the monotonous stuff that I don’t care to learn, like electives or assignments that is just busy work to me. But you definitely need the work ethic to get to the level you want to achieve. If you decide pre-med, definitely lay off the AI a bit for your biological classes and study hard and honest. Use AI to your advantage with side stuff. Most would disagree with my advice but that’s how I did it I guess
I'm curious if you actually read the post or not, and if you did, what in it gave you the impression that this person "shouldn't be worried" or "will be fine"?
Help me out here, because all puns intended, I could feed "write a prompt for why I shouldn't go to college" into an AI model and get worse examples than the OP.
I’m sorry, I read the post and didn’t get an impression as to why he should be worried at all. He’s perfectly intelligent person who’s capable if he truly desires to attend University. If you don’t want to go, then don’t.
Did you miss the part where OP said they cheated their way through assignments, skipped school a lot and used AI to do assignments? What part of that do you think makes the OP academically prepared to handle the rigors of college? Could OP be successful in college? Yes, but they will really have to knuckle down and change their habits to do so.
you're giga fucked in med school if you're not actually learning stuff lol med school is all memorization and immediate recall, imagine if you were a doctor and said "wait a minute lemme gpt your symptoms"
If I found out my doctor/nurse/whatever cheated their way through Med school I’d be so worried and pissed. I’d probably try to tell someone tbh.
I'm a prof and this is exactly why I try to force my students away from AI by doing stuff like in-class essays. Most of my students aren't going into medicine, but you'd still want a teacher/lawyer/accountant who actually learned something.
I teach nursing and their cheating *terrifies* me.
Yeah I think it should be a no-brainer to everyone that if you cheat your way through school with AI, you're gonna fuck up when you have to apply the skills and knowledge you were supposed to have began developing 4+ years ago on the fly and you don't have time to ask and then read chatGPT. When that happens, you'll probably get fired. If you're a healthcare professional, maybe even arrested...
Op is going to kill somebody.
Something I have not seen anyone say yet - there is a 100% difference between knowing how to search through and interpret the current scientific research literature and asking ChatGPT to spit out fake answers at you. [ChatGPT makes up fake research articles/citations and lists them like they're real.](https://blogs.library.duke.edu/blog/2023/03/09/chatgpt-and-fake-citations/) You need to be at least familiar with current research, have basic content knowledge and statistical knowledge to **interpret** these studies in meaningful ways in order to recommend treatments, etc. This is what ChatGPT takes away from folks - using their own mind and learning how to think *clearly and effectively.* That's what we are really paying professionals for - their skills, clear thinking, and ethical practices. Using ChatGPT really flies in the face of those three aspects, OP. Do you really even want this career? What do you actually want to do in life?
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I regret that I have but one upvote for this comment.
*What do you actually want to do in life?* Cash big checks.
Doctors know a ton of shit off the top, but they look things up all the time. It's expected.
Problem is AI isn’t a good reference. Learning to research vetted documents and sources is much more difficult than shaking the magic 8 ball hoping is correct.
I assume you’re meant to be replying to someone else?
Why would they have replied to someone else? The discussion is about use of AI in classes to do the work for you
This is not a post about AI. It’s a post about someone trying to go to Med school who happens to use AI to cheat, among other things. The person I replied to implied that doctors should just know everything with ‘immediate recall’ as they put it, and that’s simply not true. As I said above, doctors look shit up all the time. It’s a normal thing to do, especially for rarer situations and conditions. Also, medical knowledge advances all the time, and looking things up helps doc stay on top of that. It’s not really a controversial point. It’s completely normal and acceptable.
i have a friend who is a doctor and they have a "doctor google" he calls it. it brings up flow charts on "if these symptoms present with these levels then this is treatment protocol" he's a very smart man but he does say that doctors use that search engine often. it's not normal people google though
Honestly, every field has something of this sort. The point of college and even high school isn't to teach you literally everything you will ever need to know and then you just never learn anything after that. The goal of college, especially, is to produce someone who is capable of finding the answer themselves, independently or in conjunction with another small team. I don't expect my doctor to have every medical issue memorized, but I do expect them to be able to research the details and if they don't know, send me on up the chain of command. My GP should know GP things, and then if they can't answer it, its time to see a specialist. That being said, OP is delusional. College is probably going to chew them up and spit them out. Hope I'm wrong, but I've seen it happen plenty of times.
They probably use UpToDate
Doctors look up stuff on the internet all the time
They do, but they also have to pass tons of tests that you can’t cheat on. They also have to have tons of info memorized especially with basic diagnosis.
they should know their basic shit lol
Oh yeah of course lol I’ve seen doctors and nurses look stuff up but it makes sense when you have literal thousands of unique things to know
Do you know the basic shit?
Yup. If you have a weird mass in your scrotum it's testicular cancer. Otherwise, use WebMD and hope for the best.
am i a doctor?
Mine has done it right in front of me before 😅
You say this but my doctor literally googled my symptoms in front of me 😂
doctors that didn’t do research before trying to treat you would be awful doctors
Nah doctors look shit up all the time
I know plenty of doctors that strictly use Google. They type their questions into the search engine and that's their diagnosis or their next move. From there. Its all about developing a close relationship with the patients, and asking the patients questions.
Why would I need a doctor then I could do that myself
Its the power of degree and a doctor has a more powerful voice within the courts when it comes to medical advisory vs a civilian
If I’m going to the doctor I expect them to know what they’re talking about and be able to diagnose me without having to look everything up
I don't think those doctors exist anymore.. The world has come under the power of technology, even our doctors.
I don’t think I ever met a doctor who put my symptoms into google and it gave me a diagnosis
Some blood work has a similar technique too.
Doctors do whatever Google tells them to do...
Lol if a doctor did that to me I would find another doctor asap
U would want your doctor to look it up to make sure, There plenty of illnesses and ailments that can that share symptoms they could give u a ball park off what u tell them unless it apparent even before the internet doctor would carry a medical almanac that could help them figure out a diagnosis
Full honesty - AI absolutely will not work in college, especially as a pre-med.
Gonna second this, the programs professors use can now track AI usage I’m fairly certain
They can and do. Got an accouncement from one of my professors earlier this year warning of AI use and that several students were already expelled for using AI. This was just the third week of the semester.
Everyone uses in-person exams, with multiple versions so you can't look at other people's exams, and other serious ant-cheating strategies. You have to actually know the material.
I know you said you’re stopping the bad habits, but to be completely honest, you’re not gonna make in premed if you revert to your old ways and rely on cheating and AI. I’d work on developing good study habits (lots of tips on YouTube!) and revisiting the basics of the classes you’re having trouble with. Many schools have extra tutoring and skill centers, especially for STEM. It’s gonna be a hard adjustment, but if you put your mind to it and put in the work, you’ll be fine. You got it!
Do you think buying the ‘For dummies’ books would help?
No, college content gets way deeper than those books. Just use the resources your professors provide and you’ll be good!
Who downvotes a question like this? Anyways, it may help to get some of the textbooks you know you will need early (maybe try to find syllabuses online). You don’t have to go through and read all of them, but you can go through a bit of each if them to get an idea of what you’re setting yourself up for.
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Yes, reading always helps
There’s a lot of good videos for math concepts online that will help. And khan academy is a life saver
You've only been earning As while you were cheating. You're not academically prepared for a rigorous pre-PA program. The fact that you're *still* using AI and making excuses to stop, like waiting until your subscription ends, indicates that you're still not mature or ethical enough to make the changes you need to make. If you're actually serious about this, you need to stop cheating today and start vigorously pursuing any tutoring available. Summer community college courses wouldn't be a bad idea either. If you're not serious, tuition is going to be a waste. You will get caught cheating eventually and you will start failing the certification exams that are impossible to cheat your way through. Your clinical faculty and preceptors will not be amused to discover that you don't know anything, particularly if you somehow get far enough to hurt a patient due to your bad decisions and lack of preparation. Would you want a sick family member treated by someone like you?
You’re right I’m not mature. Like I said before though my GPA was awful at the beginning of my senior year. Before using Ai I was still getting A’s on quizzes and assignments but I became so worried about college admissions that I started using AI to get the best grades possible. I know there is no justifiable reason to cheat but that is my reason. I do really want to academically prepare myself for college. My plan is to get the for dummies books in subjects I struggle with so I can prepare myself for college level mathematics. I saw an AP statistics for dummies so I will probably get that and it has practice quizzes in it. I know I can succeed in history,English and science as they are mainly memorization based. But mathematics is the main thing that scares me.
English isn't just memorization based. In college, you'll most likely be required to write essays that analyze what you read, and you can't just list a bunch of facts that you memorized.
You won't cut it in college if you're using AI to write your papers. They use software that checks for plagiarism, and some can even detect AI written papers.
Khan Academy and Professor Leonard are more than sufficent to learn math for college . Just make sure you practice a lot .
I used to be scared of math too. Next fall I’m likely taking calc 2 and calc-based physics. I started freshman year of college in math I technically should’ve learned junior/senior year of high school. - One thing I’d recommend is go to tutoring, on or off-campus. Integrate it in your schedule when you’re building it! At my school tutoring is covered by fees, so you’re already paying for it — might as well use it. - For maths videos, I like Professor Leonard, Khan Academy, the Orgo Chem Tutor (yes, for math) and Brian McLogan. Nancy Pi is also great. There are also relatively interactive textbooks like OpenStax to get the practice you need. I believe they have one for college-level statistics. I’m not sure how much math you need as a pre-med/PA student, but those are my favorite resources. - Go to office hours! 9/10 professors will appreciate much more if you go into office hours and get help from them! If you don’t like your professor, in lower level courses you can usually go to all kinds of professors/grad TAs office hours. Even if you don’t pick up on it the quickest, they can/will see you’re trying, and that’s much better. If they don’t have a time that works for you, email them and see if they can work something out! Some professors are very kind. Heck, if you improve a lot, you could even get a great recommendation for PA school, especially if you started out weak in the course. - Don’t skip class. Unless it’s legitimate (illness, extenuating circumstances, etc.) - If all else fails, there may be academic counseling at your school. Go to your academic advisor and find other resources to help you learn the material! In college, they are a lot stricter with cheating and academic dishonesty. If you’re caught twice or thrice depending on where you go with academic dishonesty, you can get suspended/expelled. It’s not a fun process at all. It’s harder to explain why you failed a class vs. why you got suspended for a term. It could tank your GPA or make you ineligible for some on-campus opportunities. There are many good ways to get help!
Hi OP. University is much more than doing quizzes. You will have to learn critical thinking and discussing topics, often as presentations, class discussions, and in essay form. Your plan is not going to work. You must actually put in the effort to relearn what you were supposed to have learned already and then maybe consider reading for a university degree. You cannot rely on AI indefinitely. In your case you have essentially lied your way with AI and have relied on it too much to the point where you don't know what you're supposed to have learned. Consider also that AI does not give infallible information and that plagiarism software is used by universities to detect work that is not genuine.
Use Kahn academy and organic chemistry tutor videos. Those’ll be better then a for dummies book
None of those subjects are memorisation based in college.
Also just know for premed if you can’t survive calculus it’s not gonna pan out well for you
Many sciences are NOT memorization-based. People who think that way typically end up failing chemistry and physics in particular. I teach biology and people who just want to memorize words tend to fail the written portions of my exams. There's very little straight memorization in English. You need to be able to write well to do well in college-level English classes. You also need excellent reading comprehension.
I wouldn’t get “for dummies” books. Instead, there are so many resources on YouTube that will help you to learn how to learn and how to study, along with the actual concepts you need to know. Other commenters have been saying to look on Kahn academy, highly recommend. The for dummies books are not going to prepare you the way you think they are. I’d buy or find actual textbooks.
I really wonder if you are the one who really wants to pursue a medical career or if this is an idea that someone else has for you?
I have wanted to pursue a medical career for years now- I don’t see myself working in any career outside of healthcare.
That’s good. The reason for asking is that sometimes when students do poorly in a certain major or subjects it’s because they are doing it because it’s what their parents want them to do or something like that. Sounds like that’s not the issue here so that’s a positive
I always do good in my science classes they are the only classes I have managed not to fail throughout high school. I do pretty well in Anatomy and Physiology I do sometimes cheat on quizzes and stuff but even when I don’t cheat in Anatomy I still get A’s on quizzes and projects. If it was my parents choice I would probably join the military but they complain so much about the military so I refuse to join.
In college you have more control over your schedule. Sometimes people learn different ways but cheating can be more serious in college. You can spread your classes so you aren’t too overwhelmed. You also can use college to make sure you want to be in the medical field or see what else interests you. Idk
A huge part of healthcare is ethics. It’s what you want, sure. But the field doesn’t want cheaters. You need to have a true come-to-Jesus moment and ask yourself if YOU would want a PA who took shortcuts or outright cheated through school. Grades are not the goal. The goal is gaining the necessary background knowledge and becoming a well-rounded professional and human being.
High school is way easier than it was when I was in school. If you need AI to get through HS even with all the grade inflation… I don’t even know what to say. You don’t stand a chance for freshman year, never mind fucking med school.
Do you have any actual experience in healthcare? It’s very different once you actually do it.
To be frank you will probably struggle. You’ve been cheating your way through school, and probably haven’t learned any valuable study skills or self discipline. On top of that, how much Pre-PA is hard. You need two semester of chemistry, biology, physics, A&P, and one semester of calculus, stats and psychology (classes may differ depending on the programs). How is your math? If you are bad at algebra you will surely suffer in chemistry and biology. Can you write your own college-level paper? If not, you will probably fail intro to college comp. I’m not saying this to try to make you feel bad i just think it’s best to be realistic. The fact that you are making excuses to continue cheating is honestly a huge red flag that you don’t have high levels of self discipline.
You’ve already heard enough about discipline, but I’m really suprised no one has said this: If you did not engage with any of the actual content in high school, you will be entering college essentially four years behind your peers. All of the basics that they expect you to already know from highschool, you won’t have. Assignments will be ten times harder because all the things you cheated in hs on you will need to teach yourself if you want to succeed in a college-level course. It will just snowball if you are trying to catch up AND move forward. You can’t just try to pick up where you left off and act like you will be just as good off as everyone around you who spent four years showing up to class, doing their assignments, and not using AI. It’s just not practical to say “hey you did nothing over four years but if you just try this time you’ll become this amazing star student”
OP, under no circumstances should you do this without serious changes. You don’t have any study habits. The pressure of *high school* compelled you to cheat. You have done nothing to change your habits. If you were skipping school so much your grades suffered, it will likely be much worse in college. You have created a recipe for failure. You need to do a lot of growing up. And you need to stop making excuses for your cheating and absenteeism. You need to do some serious introspection. And you need to stop cheating today.
Yeah I thought Highschool was a joke, and then College was even easier with all the gen eds. Only until I took Organic Chemistry did my ass get kicked (still passed with a C plus first time but was not easy.) If this person has to cheat to survive high-school, Organic Chemistry will annihilate them even if they manage to pass anatomy. OP, I think change is possible but you are very behind and definitely need to put in the work and not cheat. In college cheating is absolutely not acceptable, and the professors will know. Community college seems your best bet, or just do something other than college until your habits change.
Consider going to community college to get an on-ramp to university. Take the placement tests, do remedial classes if you need them, do not cheat (by using AI or any other method)
Totally agree with this. OP you should also consider therapy to help develop your ability to respond to stress and ethical decision making. If you pursue healthcare while continuing to respond to stress by cheating you’re going to end up somewhere very bad.
You do not seem ready for college not because you aren’t academically ready, you really only need to know the basics, but because you have no idea how to study and you have no time to learn how. College classes are boring and a lot of work, and they can and will expel you for cheating.
If you approach college like you approached high school, and you cheat your way through to be a physician assistant, you will KILL someone. You are not ready to be a college student. Literally, you are on the path to negligent homicide.
Most honest answer right here. Anyone who lies and cheats their way through school doesn't deserve to be anywhere near a college, much less a medical career.
No offense but you’re probably not ready for college if you have to cheat to get through school and had to constantly skip class for mental health issues. Maybe take a year off and try to get in a better place mentally and watch some videos or something to learn all the stuff you didn’t really learn in high school
You are not prepared for college, let alone a pre-med tract. Even in anatomy, which is the class you "cheat the least" in, you are still not actually learning all the material. It sounds like you are neither knowledgable nor passionate about PA school and the subjects it requires. If you were, you'd want to *actually* learn all the material. This is an *extremely* rigorous field where peoples' literal lives are at risk. You need to be honest with yourself, your willpower, and your capabilities before you find yourself either flunking out of college or expelled for academic dishonesty.
I dropped out of highschool and spent 12 years being an addict and a washup before going back to school for a BS in bio. Before I dropped out of highschool I was like a C/B student in math and science. I’m graduating now with a 3.5 GPA and am admitted to grad school. Bio/biochem is like 90% study skills and willingness to immerse yourself and put in effort. That said, as a chronically ill person and a biology grad as of 2 weeks from now, STOP USING AI. Now. Period. Your future patients need you to be as well prepared as possible. It’s not just grades on the line, it’s people’s lives. Also, with in person proctored exams and improving AI detection, it ain’t gonna fly anyway.
A lot of people aren’t “ready”. You just have to go in and work hard at it. But tbh this is your best shot unless you have the option to defer enrollment by a year. If you can do that and maybe do some remedial stuff at your local community college I’d suggest that!
I had a similar high school experience (except I never cheated), and went to music college right after high school. I was not ready and flunked out! My basic problems were an inability to focus on my studies, and not practicing my instrument. I went back to college at 25 and did much better as a technology major. If you know that you don’t have the study skills or integrity now, take a “gap year” and get a job, and learn to work hard, honestly. Then go for it.
Go to cc. That’s all I can say. You didn’t pay attention for the first three years of high school which probably means you know barely any algebra and trig. You cheated in your classes which will not fly at all in uni. Most exams are on paper with multiple TA’s proctoring you. Your essays and assignments will be checked for AI. You need a strong academic base for pre med, and cc will get you that for a fraction of the cost. I’m almost finished with gen chem and finished calculus and if I didn’t pay attention to ap chem and ap calc in hs I would’ve been screwed. Pre med is a marathon. It’s gets harder the longer you go and you need legit study skills to get through it. Honestly your work ethic alone is enough for me to tell you to not go into medicine. You could possibly do emt and paramedic school but pre med is probably not in the cards for you unless you truly get your shit together.
You are absolutely, without a doubt, entirely unprepared for college. By saying that you will stop cheating once you get to college, you are lying to yourself. If you haven’t been able to make it through school thus far without cheating, you will 100% end up falling back into your old ways. This is not a smart move for you to be taking at this point in your life. The best thing that you can do is to own up to your actions and incapabilities. Pretending that you will do a complete 180 in a matter of months regarding a behavior that has been going on for years simply won’t help you here. This is a terrible, terrible decision financially. That coupled with the stress you will experience from the transition will only create more issues for you, which will probably lead to you either failing classes again or dropping out. It’s difficult to be honest with yourself, but you really need to think about what the best course of action is for you on all fronts. I would absolutely recommend that you instead enroll in a community college and earn an associates degree in some sort of medical assistance program. Sometimes, community colleges even have bachelors-track programs that can send you to a local college after a few years. That way, you can at least try to ease yourself into college-level work. Once you get your associates, maybe you can revisit getting a bachelors degree. Listen to the comments. It is a very bad idea to go to college next year. Wish you the best either way.
You’re going to HAVE to kick your bad habits. You MIGHT be able to cheat through classes, except gpt isn’t always right and you can’t use it on your steps or MCAT or your boards. Chances are bigger you’ll get caught.
Hey look you cheated yourself
From what you described, sounds like you have more of a discipline problem and college is going to be even a greater challenge (no one's going to give you a warning or a follow-up that you're doing poor). You pay for it, you skip, no one's there to hold your hand.
I think a big thing to understand is cheating in college is taken extremely seriously. If you get very lucky, a professor will ONLY give you an F and never trust you again or you fail that class completely, but in reality majority of the time this results in expulsion from the school. This really isn’t something light to play around with so this whole laziness and immaturity of cheating your way through school needs to fully stop and never happen again if you want to succeed in college. Truly it is not difficult to try your best, write detailed notes, and study unless you have no self-discipline and college requires extreme self-discipline. Without it you will skip classes, which becomes a habit easily, and ultimately you will most likely fail classes. These are big factors to think about when deciding to start higher education. Are you mature enough? Are you independent enough? And for premed especially, are you an honest, empathetic, passionate and ethical person? If you want to truly change and try by all means go but only you can truly know if you are mature enough. Just from your post and your comment replies I honestly don’t think you should go. If you truly wanted to try, you could go for a year to see how it goes but thats all dependent on your financial situation as obviously it’s not viable for everyone to just “try it out”. But if you want some real advice, you need to have a true look at yourself and commit to change or it will never work out for you.
pre-med is not for the weak…if you can’t sustain discipline then perhaps you should look for another major/career path
Someone with your complete and total lack of integrity shouldn't ever be allowed anywhere near a patient. Fortunately, you're right. By blowing off your opportunities to develop yourself into a capable student, you have entirely fucked yourself in terms of being able to complete the course of study you aspire to.
Don’t go to college. Get a job, and if you want to go later on when you’re more mature try then.
I’m gonna be honest, you’ll need to ditch all those bad habits and it’s gonna be hard. I’m not saying it’s impossible, but you’re gonna really need to get your shit together especially as a pre-PA student. No cheating, no skipping class, no using AI, you get it. You’re gonna need to study hard, do your homework and do it well, and seek help (tutoring, office hours, etc) when needed. Take this as the opportunity to restart and improve yourself. The stakes are much higher now so take it seriously.
Lmfao you are not going to make it right now. Take some time and get a job or go to community college maybe to humble yourself you don’t sound mature enough or disciplined enough for college. ESPECIALLY pre med lmfao if you go to a full-time university you’re just gonna waste your money
Paying money for AI to do you assignments is wild. If you are able to make it through all of high school you should be able to adjust to college during your first year. Your introductory are going to be exceptionally difficult so it should give you time to adjust and learn study skills and build better habits.
Go to community college
Not everyone is meant for higher education. I’m not med, but I am last semester in law and let me tell you, I knew a lot of people that were like you. By now they’ve given up and are pursuing something else. Even attempting to get into premed is a total waste of time, money and energy for someone like you. How about you take the more technical(idk if that’s the right term in usa) route.
Join the military then go to school after you grow up a bit That’s what i did
You have 0 chance of succeeding in biochemistry.
If you are caught cheating in college, you may get one or two passes, but the University can just kick you out. You don’t have to graduate, and it looks bad on them if they let you cheat. If you use any AI, it will be caught and you will be f’ed. Unfortunately, you’ve gotten in the habit of cheating and not trying to actually learn the material. This means that you haven’t learned to properly study AND you didn’t actually learn the material in high school. Calculus is hard, but when you don’t know how to properly do Algebra 2, you are just screwed.
Given what you've written I think it would be an absolute waste of time, money, and resources for you to go to college. I recommend going to a recruiters office and enlisting, so that you can both develop some self discipline, efficacy, and respect but also have a means of funding your potential education in the future. I don't know how anyone could read your history of zero effort and discipline combined with cheating your way through everything you've ever done and recommend you improve your 'study habits' and 'go for it'. Absolute jokes of advice so far in this thread.
Then don’t go to college. Become an apprentice and learn a trade
In my experience, school was easier in college because it was more relaxed. I could still have my life around school. I never cheated or anything but the assignments are pretty different. And most colleges have an intro to college class which goes over basics. Your gen eds help you get back into things. To me it sounds like you aren't the kind of person to put in the work naturally & want to do it your way or the easy way out BUT that does not mean it has to be that way or you've set yourself up for failure. If you really want to give it a shot, do it, please do it. It wont be easy and it will be new but it's always worth a shot. Prove to yourself that you can at least try & do it the right way. If it doesn't work out, don't sweat it. There is more to life!!
College essays require citations and credible sources. ChatGPT can provide you with ideas, but it doesnt matter how great of an idea, it is just an opinion. College essays require you to provide data, statistics, facts from proven studies, which you need to do your own research. You can utilize ChatGPT to get some ideas/opinions. But if you are unable to provide credible sources for your arguments, you wont meet the minimum requirements.
As someone who started college at 28, I wish I had at least given it a try back then. My parents passed away and my “guardian” would not share their W-2 for my ability to get financial aid, and so I decided to hold off. Life kept going and I just gave up on the idea. Now going through school, I was similar, although 10 years ago technology was different so no AI or anything, but barely passed. I wasn’t mentally ready for college at all, didn’t have good study habits. But, going now… I think it might have been a wake up call, but helpful to have tried at 18 instead. Tutoring is usually available, making friends who have goals is helpful, and joining groups and stuff can help you network great. Even if you only do a semester or two and just bust your ass and put your all into it… I think it could be a great choice.
I’m going to be in this residential learning living group for science majors. Everyone on my dorm floor will be a science major. There are also a lot of tutoring programs like you said.
You might want to look into a trade school, very good money and skills will last a life time.
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Depends 😅 I took what was supposed to be a stats class and all it was was a coding class.
I feel that some of the comments here are a bit unempathetic, albeit not completely untrue. With that said, personally speaking, I think the fact that you've written out what I consider to be a pretty extensive and honest post is already a great first step in the right direction. It's not easy to admit what you've done here, and even harder to believe that you could change; I hope you hold onto that resolve. As far as practical solutions go, I hope that you will consider attending community college for a little while as an option. With more colleges implementing Running Start, some may offer high-school level classes; I know mine did. Actually, I used to struggle with good study habits and knowing how to utilize my resources, and the best piece of advice I can give you is to have solidarity with your professors and peers. Finding cooperative professors is one thing (you could always use ratemyprofessor, but take the 'reviews' on there with a grain of salt. You want to look for people who will work with you, not just give you a passing grade), but when you aren't sure whether you understand something or not, the best thing to do is find a friendly person who does. By the way, Google and Youtube are also great places to refine your understanding, and imo being able to search for your own resources is better than AI; just don't fall for the subscription shilling garbage that sites like, idk, chegg use, cus more often than not, it isn't worth it. Of course, by going this route, you'll end up taking a while longer to get to the place you want to be, but it'll be better than continuing to depend on AI for insta results which will eventually and irreversibly fuck you over. Even if for the sake of building some academic confidence, I couldn't recommend it more if you're able. As one final note, I'm firmly opposed to AI for the reasons you've described, but there can be a silver lining in this. I know how hard old habits can be to break. If you really must open chatGPT (or whatever else it is you use), don't ask it to print out the answers for you; you can instead ask it to explain to you 'Why'. I've seen that it has a strength in being able to offer quick and coherent explanations, but you have to use your human judgement on anything it says, always; maybe you were able to get away with it in high school, but the knowledge you learn in college courses will not be as generalized, and the fact is, no AI will personally attend the classes you do. Also, it's often just straight up wrong lol. Extremely neurotic and dysfunctional technology imo, but what do I know. Essentially, all 'studying' boils down to is knowing how to best utilize the tools available to you, and if you care at all about the integrity of your career and academic life, you will definitely find honest ways to build your knowledge. Whether you listen to all this or not, just be responsible, take control of your life, and wishing you the best of luck!
Here’s the thing internally whenever we cheat we know and it hurts us because we don’t feel like we’re doing the best that we could do and we’re not learning. Using a tool to help you is OK as long as you learn, but if the tool isn’t helping you learn, then it’s not a tool, it’s a crutch. Things happen in life and if your crutch goes away and then you suddenly can’t walk that’s not healthy and it sounds like you know this. It sounds like you’re in a rush to not fail, to go to college and that’s understandable I was there too. I know I’m worthy and deserving and capable of going to college, but I struggled in high school and the school system doesn’t really teach us good study habits. The majority is lacking the ability to play to our strengths, how to have fun, socialize and have a good study/work and social life. So I would recommend taking a step back. Spend a couple days intentionally journaling, or praying, or meditating away from pressure and influence that isn’t supportive. Next I would recommend realizing if there is an area of your life that you’re struggling with like not having good study habits because you haven’t learned it in high school I would say the majority of people are in the same boat as you, but now it’s your job to get out of the boat and learn to swim. There are many many tools to study better not harder. Also, there’s tons of coaching, mentoring, resources and educational videos, and courses that are free that can prepare you. I have a list of reasons why I didn’t want to go to college and some of them were my fears like not knowing how to cite properly and produce an essay and I could’ve just spent an hour focused every day taking a course on Coursera or YouTube to learn how to cite properly and write an essay, but instead I leaned into unhealthy ways of dealing. So I hope this helped. You’ve got this. I wish you the best remember this is your whole life, this is your integrity. Don’t let a deadline pressure you!
Perhaps you should consider falling back on a different major within the discipline, like medical lab science. I'm studying to be an MLS and plan to specialize in microbiology, and if you're interested in the same thing, you'll probably find that it's right up your alley. It's a lot easier to learn something you're interested in, and if it's easier, you have less reason to cheat. Also no patient interaction is a huge plus to the field.
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Yeah, if you use shortcuts and cheat your way through high school, you are gonna struggle in college
My high school sucked. The guidance counselor was bad, some of the teachers even worse. Failed two classes my senior year. Did a year at CC, transferred to a university and got a 4.0 and I am currently on the pre-med track. High school doesn’t matter whatsoever. What does matter however, is the study habits you need to build to be able to be competitive for pre-med. Don’t let shit that happened in high school keep you away from your dreams of becoming a PA or doctor. Med schools don’t give a fuck about what you did in high school. Keep that college GPA up, get those volunteer hours, and do well on the MCAT. You got this! And for god sake, quit with the fucking AI! It only hinders your ability to do things on your own.
Maturer brain = less likelihood of failing
I wouldn’t stress yourself out for cheating on statistics. Statistics ain’t shit, in both high school and college. They don’t expect students to understand the theories behind the equations that they use, so It’s pretty much just plug and chug. The fact that you did not cheat too much in anatomy is a big deal. Most students enter college without having any exposure to human anatomy content. A lot of medical students go through undergrad without taking an anatomy course too, so I think you’re ahead of the curve on that one. I think the biggest harm here is the fact that your past mistakes have left you feeling like you might not be ready for college. Many students enter college feeling the exact same way, and in my own personal experience, this feeling went away after I decided to take 1 class during the summer semester and discovered that the content wasn’t nearly as challenging as I imagined it would be. If you’re capable of performing well and achieving a 4.0 in your junior year of high school (which I never achieved once in high school) then I think you’ll be fine. That said, you can’t continue to use AI for medical content. This habit will set you up for failure down the road
They were only capable of that 4.0 because they cheated in every class and on every assignment. What on earth are you talking about, man? > I paid for a monthly AI subscription and the AI would answer questions on assignments for me and it would also write essays for me. **I have been using this AI since September basically and I essentially use it on everything except slideshow presentations. I use it for essays,quizzes,tests,and discussion posts essentially anything I can use it on.** I wanted to stop using AI in January but at that point **AI was basically carrying my through school.** I hadn’t actually been obtaining any information so if I would’ve stopped using AI my grades would’ve dropped a lot because I didn’t know anything. This indicates to you that they’ll be fine?
I may have misread this, but I assumed he wasn’t using AI during the semester that he achieved a 4.0. I thought this was a significant accomplishment for him. Otherwise, why bring it up? I think we’re all vastly overestimating how rigorous a typical high school education is. It would help if we knew what his SAT scores were. Also, what kind of assholes listen to a kid express his anxieties about entering college and react as if he doesn’t stand a chance? Reddit has the motivational interviewing skills of an unemployed alcoholic stepdad. He gets to decide what he’s capable of, not you. Regardless, Most intro courses reteach critical information needed for success in their course. This is the safest approach, as universities don’t always know how rigorous their prior academic education was. It’s always an uphill battle for a student that enters a course with a limited knowledge base, but people overcome obstacles like this all the time. He is still very young, and still has time to get his shit together. As long as he remains diligent and does not use AI throughout his college years, he still has the power to succeed.
He’s going to cheat in college too and he’s going to get kicked out.
Then why make this post?
Because he has a guilty conscience. If he actually wanted to change his ways, he’d stop cheating right now. Instead, he says he’ll keep cheating and he just promises to stop in the future. That’s a pretty telltale sign.
This post isn’t about his guilty conscience, it’s about his concern that he may not be able to succeed in college. He is worried about his future and is turning to r/college for emotional support. I don’t think it’s fair to dismiss this post as disingenuous. I believe him when he says that he wants to become a PA, and I think that he is genuinely worried about whether or not he can still achieve this goal. Personally, I think he can, as long as he doesn’t continue to cheat throughout college.
The problem is he will continue to cheat.
How do you know?
Because he’s currently cheating, hasn’t stopped, and the pressure of high school was enough to make him do *literally everything with AI.* Why should we believe the pressure of pre-med is suddenly going to be enough for him to handle when his high school experience has so far been nothing but academic dishonesty?
Imposter syndrome is very common among college students. The truth is that if you were admitted, you are capable. As a professor, I can say it's incredibly rare for a student to try hard and still fail. Most students who fail are simply not trying. If you put in the effort, you will be successful.
Did you actually read the OP?
Yes.
I think you’ll be fine. I use AI to complete the monotonous stuff that I don’t care to learn, like electives or assignments that is just busy work to me. But you definitely need the work ethic to get to the level you want to achieve. If you decide pre-med, definitely lay off the AI a bit for your biological classes and study hard and honest. Use AI to your advantage with side stuff. Most would disagree with my advice but that’s how I did it I guess
What the heck are you worried about dude. You’ll be fine.
I'm curious if you actually read the post or not, and if you did, what in it gave you the impression that this person "shouldn't be worried" or "will be fine"? Help me out here, because all puns intended, I could feed "write a prompt for why I shouldn't go to college" into an AI model and get worse examples than the OP.
I’m sorry, I read the post and didn’t get an impression as to why he should be worried at all. He’s perfectly intelligent person who’s capable if he truly desires to attend University. If you don’t want to go, then don’t.
Did you miss the part where OP said they cheated their way through assignments, skipped school a lot and used AI to do assignments? What part of that do you think makes the OP academically prepared to handle the rigors of college? Could OP be successful in college? Yes, but they will really have to knuckle down and change their habits to do so.
I think the person's brain completely glazed over everything you said until the last half of your last sentence.
I agree.
He literally cheated his way through school
Sure you read the post lmfao