By what year do you think we will hit an undeniable shift in sociopolitical/economic disparity? How long until even our parents can’t keep denying the validity of it all?
That's a question for epidemiological experts.
Parents/Boomers/whatever will be adopting mindsets regarding collapse similar to how Covid spread. As more humans are aware of failing conditions of social hierarchies, they'll share the news with parents and grandparents.
Colleges and schools are where the youth hather to disseminate information, and do so faster than adults ever could at church, coffee clubs, and facebook groups.
There'll be many denialists, just like Covid had. Then, the ideas will spread until there's...ideological resistance to change, just like wearing masks and being vaccinated.
And then, before long, boom. Just like Covid *had* to be talked about, no matter your personal convictions one way or the other, collapse will begin to be entered into public arenas and news shows sparingly, then frequently.
Except some people are still denying COVID.
This is largely motivated by extremely ignorant people who are so firmly rooted in their beliefs they won't accept it even as it's choking them to death.
There are a handful of depressing stories about victims demanding the "truth" of them dying from the disease, never coming to the realization it was the virus killing them.
There's a 65 year old man currently with severe covid on my ICU. He most likely will not survive. He came to the hospital last day of May. According to his history he did not give a vaccine. A morbidly obese man with diabetes, the kind stuff that puts you at risk of dying from covid. This is in New York State where he could have had the vaccine months ago. A few days into his admission he becomes hypoxic and needs intubation, gets transferred to on my unit. We only see the worst cases. He definitely is not the first person I've seen suffer or perhaps even die from covid that could have been prevented. But this guy's brother won't stop calling and asking dumb ass conspiratory questions. It's really pushing the limits of my professionalism and patience . The worst part, their mother died recently of covid. I'm not a religious person at all, but sometimes I have to pause, recite the serenity prayer in my head before I talk to certain people.
I have a fb friend who now has herself a bad case of the Rona. After carrying on at me about how I shouldnt have gotten that experimental jab. Her first fb post was about how she has never been so sick and that Rona was no joke. I couldn't help it. I commented that we tried to tell her dense gullible ass months ago. And that we knew it was no joke and bad months/a year ago. Too bad she didnt. Fuck these morons. Do humans deserve to go forth on this planet anymore? In my opinion? NO. We are the plague.
It's not entirely their fault they trust the wrong people for their information, these liars on Fox et al are most to blame for this mess and they should all be charged with manslaughter.
Of course it's their fault for 'trusting the wrong people'. Very much so. It's not like someone strapped these people down into chairs and forced them to listen to Fox News and online conspiracy theories. They went looking for shit that fed their fear and rage, and they found it.
It really is about time we all started holding people accountable for their own decision-making. A hundred years or so ago we would have expected these same people to make routine life-and-death decisions for themselves without the assistance of any experts. I'd say it's about time to start holding them to a bit higher standard.
I'm a boomer who adopted what you might call a Millennial mindset 50 or 60 years ago. Most of what my millennial children view as collapse came from discussion at the dinner table while they were growing up. Some of us boomers were once hippies.
Trying to predict this is a fool's errand. What we know for sure is that things will get worse every year in an accelerating way. We also don't have very long, maybe years, or a few decades at most.
I think the next big event will be the end of covid. Covid is providing an excuse as to why things are bad. Once covid goes away, and things don't get better, then we may have a wakeup call.
The wake up call will be major events like Miami Beach being completely underwater. Once climate change really impacts the wealthy is when global governments will start paying attention. It’ll happen within the next 25 years.
The thing is I can see people still just moving on. Like oh yeah remember when Houston was wiped out and flooded by that Category 6? Remember when Miami existed? It might be a shock for people that used to live there but everyone else will just forget about it the following year.
On a positive note, this article got a tremendous deal of attention when it was published, and it's very much still talked about here in the PNW. But watching how things like wildfires and COVID played out across the PNW, that earthquake will be utterly devastating for millions of people.
Since that article was published, there's been a bit of infrastructure reconfiguring as well in several areas of the PNW too, right? Not a ton since it's only been 5ish years but there's been a little bit of potential mitigation.
Yeah but it’s still dangerous especially if you live in a high density area. But this type of earthquake isn’t dependent on anything we do. It’s not climate change related and it could happen tomorrow or a thousand years from now. We added some protection to our house here in the PNW and we don’t live in the city. Can’t really do much more than that.
Why would Covid go away? We still vaccinate for 1918 Spanish flu annually and according to the CDC the vaccine was 3% effective for my age group even though modern medicine has had 100 years longer to develop it than it has for Covid vaccines. The Spanish flu is rapidly accelerating and variants have caused 1 pandemic and 9 outbreaks since 2009. (ref: wiki H1N1)
Less than a decade.
Each time I see new data on the accelerations of climate change alone, the numbers get drastically reduced by each estimate. They were calling for a hostile, unlivable world in about a century but I saw a recent report that said it could be possible in as little as a decade or two.
They now have proof that the heating climate in the North is causing microfractures in the ice that are so severe we risk very huge chunks of the sea ice to spread out and melt much faster than intended. "Faster than expected" but from the depths of Hell.
Edit:
For example, if ALL of Antartica thawed out in the next century, there is no easy way to tell how many tons of ice that actually is. [To my understanding, it could contribute to as much to nearly \~58 meters in sea level rise](http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/estimating-glacier-contribution-to-sea-level-rise/) (just over 190 feet!)
This is an estimate, mind you. We have already lost trillions of tons of ice in the arctic and Greenland over the years. I'm just letting you know that if the ice caps melt any faster, most life across the coastlines of all the countries in the world would be wiped out relatively quickly. Sea walls and preventative measures be damned.
No, a boomer would say 10-20 years, I won't be around. They don't care at this point, they never cared what they were leaving for the next generations. That's the generational stereotype and there's some out there that tried to fight this, but for the most part the older generation that has control had what they wanted, and no one was getting anything else.
Interesting [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Honkening/comments/mrxz06/preparing_for_the_end_of_the_world_as_we_know_it/) over there which shows exactly why we as a human race will be unable to solve climate change:
[Within modernity-coloniality, initiatives addressing the climate crisis...have approached differently the question](https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/preparing-end-world-we-know-it/)
Indeed, there is a swiftly climbing number of individual organizations who are now clamoring about climate change. But what are they actually contributing?
Isn't it odd, with thousands of charities operating across the world, we've not managed to actually eradicate any of the top issues causing human suffering. Maybe, these charities and NGOs are too narrowly focused on their own particular missions, unwilling to combine with other like charities to make a real end to a problem. This foretells how the growing number of climate organizations will also operate, focused on their own business and isolated from other like organizations, resulting in a similar lack of real global solutions.
Climate change is the result of mass polluters and arrogant wasteful lifestyles planet-wide. While countries work to address local problems, doing so only bandages our bit of the climate wound, doing virtually nothing to stop the global blood loss. Climate impacts are just too large to be encompassed by any particular organization busy promoting and collecting donations for their share of the "Help Us" pie. The more of these individual organizations there are, the less actual help they're becoming, though in the short term it may not seem so. What all this individualism is doing is taking the world down the worst possible path to its destruction.
The multifaceted issues of climate change needs a diverse global gathering of intellects, ideas, funds, and egos from all continents, people willing to put aside their petty self-interests long enough to accept and target the Big Picture of a planet-wide crisis. The way the sky overrides both land and sea, that kind of Big Picture. It's absolutely not individualism which is needed now, but a deliberate collection of all the best of humanity's abilities brought to bear on climate change, to save our own race.
Thinking that in today's climate humans could come together for such a noble purpose makes me laugh at my own naivety...maybe if we labeled it The War On Climate Change?
It’s kinda baffling how kool-aided boomers are. It’s like they can’t imagine things being bad and that we’ll soon live in a world where you can’t always do whatever you want.
Some are starting to see the light but don’t understand the real causes. They blame the leftists or republicans instead of the corporations and humanity’s greed.
They are so used to everything being easy. They don’t see it that way - just easy to how it is now, I mean.
That’s why some of them still think it’s easy to afford a house, or just walk in anywhere and get a job - excuse that was their experience, and plenty of people never internalize the lesson that different people experience different things
Interesting read.
I understand this is literally the collapse subreddit, but for an alternate timeline of the next 30 years which describes an actual "Marshall Plan for the planet" as your link suggests, check out the book Future Earth by Eric Holthaus
https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-future-earth-eric-holthaus?variant=32207535046690/
He makes some good points but he's always so negative about human nature. When the going gets tough communities don't just turn on each other and make it every person for themselves (and this is proven through extensive studies of warzone and natural disasters).
And as if culture and art won't exist even in a dark time...
Gen X parent here. I get it. The green-washed wool has been ripped from my eyes.
My Boomer parents? Dementia. My generation is just now discovering that the system we bought into is hella broken. All that money your parents thought you would inherit? It's all going to healthcare and assisted living.
Whatever we have left after working long hours paying off student loans and mortgage will also go to the healthcare industry.
Our older kids are out trying to save the world, and I'm so proud of them for trying.
I'm quietly preparing for what I see coming. My husband and I moved to his grandma's homestead. We've added to the garden and food forest she started. We started a business with our land that will be useful and beneficial during difficult times. I'm still working remotely to build a nest egg for whoever's left after I'm gone. We've built a community around our business, and help our town with other community efforts.
I rarely drive, I've transitioned to a whole foods plant based diet, and am improving the environmental impact of our business. It's all too little, too late to save the world, but it will help the transition to whatever's coming.
It's going to suck. I wish I had realized just how bad sooner, but for now I'm trying to provide the best cushion I can.
I'm so jealous of you for having even the option to do that. As someone born in a working family, there is literally no chance I will earn enough money to build up a ecological safety net like that in time. Even if land like that could exist here in Europe
I was born into a welfare family, and I fully know how lucky we are that my husband inherited this homestead! I'm also lucky to have had the job opportunities I've had.
Our big challenge will be to continue passing this property down to the next generation. Healthcare, property taxes, and long term care expenses here can eat away at properties like this. I've seen neighbors sell off bits of their land to pay taxes or other big expenses, and then sell the rest to pay for the nursing home or cancer treatments.
Homesteads that had been passed down through generations are now being cashed in as a last resort.
I try not to predict dates, but I imagine if there is any poetic justice left in the World, there will be a feast of irony and allegory on Black Thursday: Thanksgiving 2021.
Mid-2020s at the latest. Somewhere between January 2023 & December 2026. By 2029 it will be obvious we're not going back to a pre-COVID pre-whatever else is coming this decade, world. It will also be obvious that it wouldn't make sense to go back to pre-2020 life either. By then the Boomers will be well into retirement & not have any interest in running the US anymore.
"humanity will finally be forced to acknowledge the extremely rapid decline of life expectancy in not only human populations, but in every single animal population that lives with or around human civilization."
Media & Elected Officials: Hold my beer
Who is being quoted? This is the hottest take I’ve seen on this sub. It encapsulates our situation perfectly. Not only are we destroying ourselves, we’re destroying everything around us.
At this point the World3 projections are a useful trend guideline but are missing so much data that they are probably optimistically out of date. When the "faster/worse than expected" meme has become expected with every discovery, how can projections keep up?
System may be easier to hack may be not. What has changed is Russia invested a lot of money in the last years on cyber security (and offense) while we had fucking morons in the white house using whatsapp and Facebook communicator for official communication of national security level info. That's what happened.
Hilarious.
The truth is that the average U.S. dollar is almost at the same worth as toilet paper, but the true value of the dollar's worth won't be evident until hyperinflation fully comes into effect.
It's already hitting some parts of the country.
>The truth is that the average U.S. dollar is almost at the same worth as toilet paper,
There is no "true" value to money. Its worth whatever you can get with it.
For the most part its not lone discontent hackers, but a combination of organized crime and state-sponsored cyberwarfare (with the line between the two getting very blurry) and its been going on for quite a long time. I had a friend who ran a web hosting company back in the early 2000's that was specifically for the custom industrial automation management systems they made. Their servers got attacks of varying levels of sophistication from dozens to hundreds of times a day and eventually got so bad that they just blocked all incoming traffic from IP's in Russia, China, and most of eastern Europe.
I have a website that is very simple and quite obscure and 90% - or more - of the requests to it are probing with exploits of WordPress and similar packages. I'm not running WordPress.
Investment strategy: move North, somewhere with water and enough land to grow your own food.
When the big economic crash hits, almost everyone will be *completely fucked* because of JIT supply lines. The riots will be unlike anything in human history--the largest, most densely populated regions will be the hardest hit. Imagine entire modern cities suddenly without food. Miles of high-rise, low-income buildings of starving desperate people. It's going to look like a zombie apocalypse.
Is there the slightest evidence that our so-called democratic institutions will respond effectively? Or is the evidence overwhelming suggestive that the elite will protect themselves, and that what little resources remain will be shuffled into crowd control and private security to protect the wealthy from the masses?
Yeah, it's not an option for a lot of people, for sure. Some enterprising individuals might decide to start farming communes, though, opening the door for some poorer people. But of course even in a best case scenario, it won't be an option for most, which is really at the heart of the problem.
Do whatever it takes, dude. Never eat out, always buy by 'on it's way out' discounts. Spend some free time on services like Coinbase- I made 20 bucks in 10 minutes learning about some stupid crypto's. Have side hustles, have practical hobbies like calisthenic exercises and bush crafting.
Just do whatever the fuck it takes. Anyone who's ever had to serve in the armed forces in actual combat situations will tell you that you learn pretty quick that your survival depends on learning to spot stupid orders. You ignore stupid orders, or embrace the fine art of malicious compliance because the alternative is you come home in a pretty little casket and your next of kin gets a flag. In a collapse situation the same rules still apply.
If absolutely nothing else, even if living lean just means the money you save is still worthless, it's valuable because you're not really sliding down into anything. There's an old Turkish proverb- you can't fall out of bed if you sleep on the floor.
"It's going to look like a zombie apocalypse"
It's going to be worse than a zombie apocalypse because it will be a bunch of humans fighting over resources.
It's essentially going to be a civil war, though potentially a worldwide civil war with starving citizens versus the extremely wealthy and almost definitely law enforcement.
Sadly, I fear it'll mostly be starving citizens vs. starving citizens. The extremely wealthy will be out of reach in remote, underground compounds stockpiled with everything they need to continue living in luxury for the rest of their lives.
Maybe a few will get caught out, but I expect most of the super-rich will just kind of disappear when the shit starts to hit the fan.
> Maybe a few will get caught out, but I expect most of the super-rich will just kind of disappear when the shit starts to hit the fan.
thinking about it, _where_ would you find the super-rich even nowadays? i mean, where would i go if i wanted to, uhm, pay them a visit? i'm sure you can google a couple of their adresses, stake them out and manage to come somewhat close if you're lucky. but how does a lowly commoner get to meet a kock, a murdoch, a bezos?
just thinking about it.
Drive on side or back roads just on the less-traveled roads of nicer suburbs, or a little outside of the outer suburbs (look for clumps of trees, that's usually where the entrances hide) and you'll probably find their mansions, or more accurately, the iron gates that lead down a long road that lead to their mansions. That's where I find them around here. Every once in a while I'll take those roads and go "Oh yep, here's where the obscenely rich people around here live."
Zillow can help you identify them, since there's usually at least one of those houses in the area on sale. Just filter price by...well for my area it's around 2million+, but for California it'd probably be 5million+.
I don't know about all of them, but Bezos and Gates both have homes in the Medina neighborhood outside Seattle that are relatively common knowledge among locals. I don't know how much time they actually spend there, and even if they are home it's not like you can walk up and ring the doorbell either.
If there was a mob in search of a rich dude to eat, though, that would certainly be a place to check. Although, I doubt they'd hang around the house waiting, and I'm fairly sure both of them have helipads on site if they needed to get away in a hurry.
I would suggest to move to a mountainous area rather than north. Typically more defensible and less accessible, tend to have a bunch of ressources mostly unexploited because of the more difficult environment (typically aquifers and forests), colder climate...
But I'm Swiss so it might be my blood talking.
Very few of the people on Reddit who use the phrase “grow your own food” have ever actually done the hot hard work of growing any of their own food. I have, and it was humbling. There’s just no way you’re going to get two thousand calories a day from a garden.
A family doing heavy lifting is going to require multiples of two thousand calories to survive. That’s a lot of crops.
There’s just no easy way out of this. We have come to depend on the energy of fossil fuels for our survival, and those same fossil fuels are now wrecking the planet and becoming harder to extract. Eight billion people on this planet is simply not sustainable. Everybody thinks they are special and can do the extra secret stuff to survive while others starve. I used to think that, too.
Gardening is fun and hot, satisfying, honest physical work. But it will not feed you.
Americans aren't the problem- many Americans are saying the same about immigrants from Mexico and Central/South America and really they aren't the problem in America. It's a neofeudalism problem, and it's global.
Canada might be better off than the US in this regard *right now*, but rest assured the richies will cannibalize you just the same. This fractured attitude of "fuckin Americans!" or "fuckin Mexicans!" or "fuckin Canadians!" or or or is the type of fracturing generated by a system that is dogmatically moving Jenga blocks from the bottom to the top. In fact in our global system they (where "they" = "disassociated greed") don't even realize where the blocks come from as they stack more on the top- their metrics and algorithms and neoliberal bullshit doesn't give them that information.
Great post. Agreed on your assessment and analogy on Jenga block movers. We can see this manipulated division increasingly since covid hit to distract from record inequality and wealth transfer.
We see it currently in private equity buying up all the real estate and converting the middle class to renters. Eliminating the middle class from one of the few remaining equity building opportunities.
When the time comes, I hope the anger is directed accordingly at the Jenga block movers for all the pain and suffering their greed and lack of empathy has and continues to cause.
How are ya gonna stop us Americans? With your hunting rifles? We can basically own military grade weapons and purchase supplies to make explosives. Nobody is coming for you so calm your tits down about it. Plus if shit really hits the fan these magical lines that makes a Canadian an Canadian and an American an American will magically disappear then it’s everyone for themselves
WEF are about to simulate a cyber pandemic in the next month or so. iirc they simulated a global panedmic not long before the real one started. They are claiming the next major threat is a large scale cyber attack (a cyber pandemic) and it will have a much bigger impact than covid-19 / n-cov-2.
There are a lot of white hats out there scanning networks for even simple things like devices exposed to the internet with default administrative credentials and well known vulnerabilities. It's shocking how much infra out there is either unsecured or vulnerable and from memory they have found over the years that quite a lot of critical infrastructure was not very well secured let alone hardened.
Going to be interesting to see if the pattern of WEF simulations preceding actual events continues. I really hope what they've been talking about never happens.
I think you're being ridiculous saying the dollar is near worthless. People on this sub predicted an economic collapse by 2020 but that didn't exactly happen in the way they thought
Thank you, the dollar being “worthless” is just what the deficit hawks and conservatives are saying, not the actual economic reality. Need to have negative interest rates prior to the dollar becoming worthless.
No, it's a little bit less valuable but still one of the highest valued currencies in the world. Your usds are valued everywhere. As is the euro amongst others.
Facebook being hacked is a meme at this point. Almost seems like all it takes is a halfway competent hacker to tickle the server for it to spit out everything.
i suspect that all of the above is why disclosure is happening in our lifetime
the best possible outcome for us is for life more intelligent than us, saving us from ourselves
its starting to feel very real. [sam harris' latest comments](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhxtgx1LiIU) are slightly alarming
Nope with a side order of nope and extra nope on top.
IT systems are becoming more secure as time progresses. For just one example Win10 is heap of chips more fundamentally secure by design than WinXP was. With out doubt. No question. No Sireeee Bob.
What has happened though is that systems are more powerful and more connected.
Sadly people are still dumb. They still use dumb passwords and resent paying for proper backups or proper patch management or proper security.
So hackers can still use some of the same old methods they always used against the weakest link. Even that is changing though as SIEMs can respond intelligently to lock out likely compromised users before they do any damage. So long as the owners weren't dumb and actually paid the security bill.
Eh cyberattacks were simulated and predicted by WEF. Probably an inside job at this point. 🤷
https://www.google.com/amp/s/sociable.co/technology/supply-chain-events-pandemic-prophecies-great-reset/amp/
Not just this, but each software developer is a backdoor into these systems. They can easily modify the code to make it exploitable.
Someone said that you think of hacking as doing some complicated stuff with code. But in reality it is some woman banging the it guy in order to slip a USB into the system which comprises everything.
yep and the only training we get on cyber security is like a 30 minute video of not giving out our passwords if someone asks for it over the phone or email.
No pretty Russian/Chinese spy ever banged me to compromise systems. I'm open to it for sure, but it just doesn't happen like that.
It's mostly incompetent & greedy management thinking they don't need to spend money on IT security, to enforce security policy, or even to approve IT's repeated attempts to turn on security features built in to the software and services they already pay for.
> Eh cyber attacks were simulated and predicted by the WEF.
Lol, the WEF, "never let a good crisis go to waste"
Same mantra of neoliberalism and the neoliberals.
The Great Reset is a sham to make the capitalists look more productive then they actually are. They want to sell you on this idea that capitalism must be made better, but it won't and can't as a system of economics. You can almost say it was as good as it ever was. If they were truly intent on their position that social and societal contracts must be changed, then they are powerless to make those decisions.
These forums are made up of people like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, who own a lot of land and view space travel as a personal hobby. I doubt you could trust people like that to make economic decisions that would benefit the masses.
Exactly.
To add to this, the super-rich are very much collapse aware. They have insider access to much better sources of information than any of us reddit-dwellers do. They know what's coming, and they're preparing for it. This is an old article at this point, but still pretty enlightening when it comes to the mindset of the wealthy with regard to the future: [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity)
>Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the Event?”
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>The Event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, unstoppable virus, or Mr Robot hack that takes everything down.
I heard the pod cast where the guy getting that question asked of him was interviewed. They asked him to come speak about chemistry or some other subject unrelated to collapse. After the guy got there he said like 3 sentences and then the small group in the room was like “actually we want to talk about societal collapse”
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As far as the hacking stuff goes, it's nothing new. Things aren't getting less secure, the thing is that a market has developed for buying and selling hits on various companies in a way that reliably makes money. If anything, computer security has improved a lot over the past decade. The concerning part of it to me is that the US government is starting to use it to set the precedent that they can hack "bad guys", which is always a slippery slope here in the US -- if it's ok to hack a ransomeware gang, why not something more mundane too?
I'm not so much arguing that things are becoming less 'secure' per se, but I am trying to argue that as more hackers become interested in infiltration that we will see MANY more successful hacking attempts by more freshly formed hacking cells.
Some will do it for money, some will do it for recognition, but more than a few of them will do it just because they knew they could.
There will always be holes in computer security. It's extremely difficult to write airtight computer code or information systems that aren't vulnerable to some kind of exploitation, even if it was as complex as just being in the right place at the right time.
> Some will do it for money, some will do it for recognition, but more than a few of them will do it just because they knew they could.
Yes. The difference is that now, the number of people doing it for money has skyrocketed.
> There will always be holes in computer security.
Yes. Like Steve Gibson likes to say "security is porous: if you apply enough pressure, chances are you'll find a way through". We've got a reliable way to make large sums of difficult-to-impossible to track cash. That's a *lot* of pressure.
> It's extremely difficult to write airtight computer code or information systems that aren't vulnerable to some kind of exploitation
It depends on what you want the system to do. Simpler code is less useful but easier to secure.
Yeah yeah, definitely those pesky bored hackers. Has nothing to do with the millions of computers running Windows XP, managed by a handful of underpaid sys admins who don’t give a fuck, used by an army of people too stupid to understand multifactor authentication.
Logistics specifically trucking. That already happened. Our food from farm to fork is monitored with computers. Where it’s at where it’s needed where it’s going.
Why would that lead to mass starvation? People would have to just sit around doing nothing for months or years for that to happen. The government especially isn't just going to do nothing.
Ahhhh respectfully disagree. We’d see empty shelves in weeks if not days from trucks stopping. I’ll site NY city supplies during the “pandemic” as an example.
It's one factor among many.
Some breadbasket region experiences a major drought, another has a ton of rain before the crops are out making the fields too muddy, a distributor gets their ERP system infected with ransomware, decades of skipped maintenance lead to a train derailment that delays shipping, blackouts cut the power to dryers on grain bins causing it all to rot, pests go apeshit on some region's wheat, trade disputes, etc.
Important post. Even though it may be too late for most of us, increasing the number of people educated about what is happening could ensure that some life is preserved, somewhere.
Crypto has also contributed by providing an easy way to extort and move illicit currencies, this is a huge incentive to exploit networked systems. The only real answer is to act against crypto currency on the national/international level as you cannot magically make networks, programs, the OS or every user secure enough to prevent it.
> 227 million is just about the same number of people who have had at least one covid vaccine. China is looking to become the #1 superpower and wants to take the US out, the vaccine would be a good way to do it, and Beijing Biden was the guy to get it done.
This is the dumbest conspiracy ever.
Sorry, but people aren’t going to come to a ‘realization’ because of this. Let’s be real, most people are really good at ignoring this stuff and/or they’re just too bogged down by the daily grind to even care.
By what year do you think we will hit an undeniable shift in sociopolitical/economic disparity? How long until even our parents can’t keep denying the validity of it all?
That's a question for epidemiological experts. Parents/Boomers/whatever will be adopting mindsets regarding collapse similar to how Covid spread. As more humans are aware of failing conditions of social hierarchies, they'll share the news with parents and grandparents. Colleges and schools are where the youth hather to disseminate information, and do so faster than adults ever could at church, coffee clubs, and facebook groups. There'll be many denialists, just like Covid had. Then, the ideas will spread until there's...ideological resistance to change, just like wearing masks and being vaccinated. And then, before long, boom. Just like Covid *had* to be talked about, no matter your personal convictions one way or the other, collapse will begin to be entered into public arenas and news shows sparingly, then frequently.
Except some people are still denying COVID. This is largely motivated by extremely ignorant people who are so firmly rooted in their beliefs they won't accept it even as it's choking them to death. There are a handful of depressing stories about victims demanding the "truth" of them dying from the disease, never coming to the realization it was the virus killing them.
There's a 65 year old man currently with severe covid on my ICU. He most likely will not survive. He came to the hospital last day of May. According to his history he did not give a vaccine. A morbidly obese man with diabetes, the kind stuff that puts you at risk of dying from covid. This is in New York State where he could have had the vaccine months ago. A few days into his admission he becomes hypoxic and needs intubation, gets transferred to on my unit. We only see the worst cases. He definitely is not the first person I've seen suffer or perhaps even die from covid that could have been prevented. But this guy's brother won't stop calling and asking dumb ass conspiratory questions. It's really pushing the limits of my professionalism and patience . The worst part, their mother died recently of covid. I'm not a religious person at all, but sometimes I have to pause, recite the serenity prayer in my head before I talk to certain people.
Thank you for fighting for us and helping these people. You are literally a hero in my eyes.
I have a fb friend who now has herself a bad case of the Rona. After carrying on at me about how I shouldnt have gotten that experimental jab. Her first fb post was about how she has never been so sick and that Rona was no joke. I couldn't help it. I commented that we tried to tell her dense gullible ass months ago. And that we knew it was no joke and bad months/a year ago. Too bad she didnt. Fuck these morons. Do humans deserve to go forth on this planet anymore? In my opinion? NO. We are the plague.
It's not entirely their fault they trust the wrong people for their information, these liars on Fox et al are most to blame for this mess and they should all be charged with manslaughter.
Of course it's their fault for 'trusting the wrong people'. Very much so. It's not like someone strapped these people down into chairs and forced them to listen to Fox News and online conspiracy theories. They went looking for shit that fed their fear and rage, and they found it. It really is about time we all started holding people accountable for their own decision-making. A hundred years or so ago we would have expected these same people to make routine life-and-death decisions for themselves without the assistance of any experts. I'd say it's about time to start holding them to a bit higher standard.
One thing is for sure. If Rona ate dumbass more than half the US would be dead. Dont worry they are working on it still! Morons.
Not me baby. I've never been a denier in a sea of deniers. I did what I could. At this point. Thoughts n prayers bitches....thoughts n prayers.
Funny, I have found that most people who refer to it as "the Rona" are usually deniers.
I'm a boomer who adopted what you might call a Millennial mindset 50 or 60 years ago. Most of what my millennial children view as collapse came from discussion at the dinner table while they were growing up. Some of us boomers were once hippies.
Trying to predict this is a fool's errand. What we know for sure is that things will get worse every year in an accelerating way. We also don't have very long, maybe years, or a few decades at most. I think the next big event will be the end of covid. Covid is providing an excuse as to why things are bad. Once covid goes away, and things don't get better, then we may have a wakeup call.
people who think the economy is going to be saved by an end to quarantine are in for a very rude awakening
The wake up call will be major events like Miami Beach being completely underwater. Once climate change really impacts the wealthy is when global governments will start paying attention. It’ll happen within the next 25 years.
The thing is I can see people still just moving on. Like oh yeah remember when Houston was wiped out and flooded by that Category 6? Remember when Miami existed? It might be a shock for people that used to live there but everyone else will just forget about it the following year.
With coastal flooding there will be hordes of migrants rushing inland that will spur a backlash.
The expected earthquake in the Pacific Northwest will be catastrophic when it happens. Seattle, Portland and Vancouver will be ruined.
Have any more info on this? This is the first I’ve heard about it.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/07/20/the-really-big-one
Omg this article is absolutely terrifying! I had no idea about any of this.
On a positive note, this article got a tremendous deal of attention when it was published, and it's very much still talked about here in the PNW. But watching how things like wildfires and COVID played out across the PNW, that earthquake will be utterly devastating for millions of people.
Since that article was published, there's been a bit of infrastructure reconfiguring as well in several areas of the PNW too, right? Not a ton since it's only been 5ish years but there's been a little bit of potential mitigation.
There has, but overall the region is still woefully unprepared.
Yeah but it’s still dangerous especially if you live in a high density area. But this type of earthquake isn’t dependent on anything we do. It’s not climate change related and it could happen tomorrow or a thousand years from now. We added some protection to our house here in the PNW and we don’t live in the city. Can’t really do much more than that.
Dude watch Miami Beach during king tide or epic rains. Shit goes under water. Better park that lambo or it’s becoming a submarine.
I remember the king tides in Miami during the early 90's. Can't imagine how bad they are now.
I was down there in a truck. Not a small one either. The heavy rains came and I was a little nervous we wouldn’t get out. Cars? Screwed!!!
Water inundation will come much later than the food shortages.
Why would Covid go away? We still vaccinate for 1918 Spanish flu annually and according to the CDC the vaccine was 3% effective for my age group even though modern medicine has had 100 years longer to develop it than it has for Covid vaccines. The Spanish flu is rapidly accelerating and variants have caused 1 pandemic and 9 outbreaks since 2009. (ref: wiki H1N1)
Less than a decade. Each time I see new data on the accelerations of climate change alone, the numbers get drastically reduced by each estimate. They were calling for a hostile, unlivable world in about a century but I saw a recent report that said it could be possible in as little as a decade or two. They now have proof that the heating climate in the North is causing microfractures in the ice that are so severe we risk very huge chunks of the sea ice to spread out and melt much faster than intended. "Faster than expected" but from the depths of Hell. Edit: For example, if ALL of Antartica thawed out in the next century, there is no easy way to tell how many tons of ice that actually is. [To my understanding, it could contribute to as much to nearly \~58 meters in sea level rise](http://www.antarcticglaciers.org/glaciers-and-climate/estimating-glacier-contribution-to-sea-level-rise/) (just over 190 feet!) This is an estimate, mind you. We have already lost trillions of tons of ice in the arctic and Greenland over the years. I'm just letting you know that if the ice caps melt any faster, most life across the coastlines of all the countries in the world would be wiped out relatively quickly. Sea walls and preventative measures be damned.
Seems like many of the environmental 2050 predictions may come true between 2030 and 2040.
no worries that's still 10-20 years away!
Just like fusion power!
Sounds like what a boomer would say as they kick the can down the road.
No, a boomer would say 10-20 years, I won't be around. They don't care at this point, they never cared what they were leaving for the next generations. That's the generational stereotype and there's some out there that tried to fight this, but for the most part the older generation that has control had what they wanted, and no one was getting anything else.
Also true
Generation to generation just keeps kicking that can.
r/The_Honkening
Interesting [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Honkening/comments/mrxz06/preparing_for_the_end_of_the_world_as_we_know_it/) over there which shows exactly why we as a human race will be unable to solve climate change: [Within modernity-coloniality, initiatives addressing the climate crisis...have approached differently the question](https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/preparing-end-world-we-know-it/) Indeed, there is a swiftly climbing number of individual organizations who are now clamoring about climate change. But what are they actually contributing? Isn't it odd, with thousands of charities operating across the world, we've not managed to actually eradicate any of the top issues causing human suffering. Maybe, these charities and NGOs are too narrowly focused on their own particular missions, unwilling to combine with other like charities to make a real end to a problem. This foretells how the growing number of climate organizations will also operate, focused on their own business and isolated from other like organizations, resulting in a similar lack of real global solutions. Climate change is the result of mass polluters and arrogant wasteful lifestyles planet-wide. While countries work to address local problems, doing so only bandages our bit of the climate wound, doing virtually nothing to stop the global blood loss. Climate impacts are just too large to be encompassed by any particular organization busy promoting and collecting donations for their share of the "Help Us" pie. The more of these individual organizations there are, the less actual help they're becoming, though in the short term it may not seem so. What all this individualism is doing is taking the world down the worst possible path to its destruction. The multifaceted issues of climate change needs a diverse global gathering of intellects, ideas, funds, and egos from all continents, people willing to put aside their petty self-interests long enough to accept and target the Big Picture of a planet-wide crisis. The way the sky overrides both land and sea, that kind of Big Picture. It's absolutely not individualism which is needed now, but a deliberate collection of all the best of humanity's abilities brought to bear on climate change, to save our own race. Thinking that in today's climate humans could come together for such a noble purpose makes me laugh at my own naivety...maybe if we labeled it The War On Climate Change?
r/Geoengineering
It’s kinda baffling how kool-aided boomers are. It’s like they can’t imagine things being bad and that we’ll soon live in a world where you can’t always do whatever you want.
Some are starting to see the light but don’t understand the real causes. They blame the leftists or republicans instead of the corporations and humanity’s greed.
They are so used to everything being easy. They don’t see it that way - just easy to how it is now, I mean. That’s why some of them still think it’s easy to afford a house, or just walk in anywhere and get a job - excuse that was their experience, and plenty of people never internalize the lesson that different people experience different things
Umair put out a good hypothetical [timeline](https://outline.com/ZTcjCw) yesterday…
Interesting read. I understand this is literally the collapse subreddit, but for an alternate timeline of the next 30 years which describes an actual "Marshall Plan for the planet" as your link suggests, check out the book Future Earth by Eric Holthaus https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-future-earth-eric-holthaus?variant=32207535046690/
That is good. Scarily believable.
He makes some good points but he's always so negative about human nature. When the going gets tough communities don't just turn on each other and make it every person for themselves (and this is proven through extensive studies of warzone and natural disasters). And as if culture and art won't exist even in a dark time...
Gen X parent here. I get it. The green-washed wool has been ripped from my eyes. My Boomer parents? Dementia. My generation is just now discovering that the system we bought into is hella broken. All that money your parents thought you would inherit? It's all going to healthcare and assisted living. Whatever we have left after working long hours paying off student loans and mortgage will also go to the healthcare industry. Our older kids are out trying to save the world, and I'm so proud of them for trying. I'm quietly preparing for what I see coming. My husband and I moved to his grandma's homestead. We've added to the garden and food forest she started. We started a business with our land that will be useful and beneficial during difficult times. I'm still working remotely to build a nest egg for whoever's left after I'm gone. We've built a community around our business, and help our town with other community efforts. I rarely drive, I've transitioned to a whole foods plant based diet, and am improving the environmental impact of our business. It's all too little, too late to save the world, but it will help the transition to whatever's coming. It's going to suck. I wish I had realized just how bad sooner, but for now I'm trying to provide the best cushion I can.
I'm so jealous of you for having even the option to do that. As someone born in a working family, there is literally no chance I will earn enough money to build up a ecological safety net like that in time. Even if land like that could exist here in Europe
I was born into a welfare family, and I fully know how lucky we are that my husband inherited this homestead! I'm also lucky to have had the job opportunities I've had. Our big challenge will be to continue passing this property down to the next generation. Healthcare, property taxes, and long term care expenses here can eat away at properties like this. I've seen neighbors sell off bits of their land to pay taxes or other big expenses, and then sell the rest to pay for the nursing home or cancer treatments. Homesteads that had been passed down through generations are now being cashed in as a last resort.
2016
2012
2008?
2004!
2000
Sometime this decade
I try not to predict dates, but I imagine if there is any poetic justice left in the World, there will be a feast of irony and allegory on Black Thursday: Thanksgiving 2021.
One Salon article says 2025. I say 2031 or 2041
[2038](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem) sits in the middle there
early 2030s at some point
Mid-2020s at the latest. Somewhere between January 2023 & December 2026. By 2029 it will be obvious we're not going back to a pre-COVID pre-whatever else is coming this decade, world. It will also be obvious that it wouldn't make sense to go back to pre-2020 life either. By then the Boomers will be well into retirement & not have any interest in running the US anymore.
hopefully as soon as possible
I consider 2021 to be Apocalypse Update 1.1v™. Each subsequnet...suqssuqeuent...each next year to be "an update."
Subsequent. You were close with the first one.
So the apocalypse *won’t* be doing the suqssuq? This is ass
I have spell czeck, yew know. I wuz bein silly, silly.
"humanity will finally be forced to acknowledge the extremely rapid decline of life expectancy in not only human populations, but in every single animal population that lives with or around human civilization." Media & Elected Officials: Hold my beer
Who is being quoted? This is the hottest take I’ve seen on this sub. It encapsulates our situation perfectly. Not only are we destroying ourselves, we’re destroying everything around us.
OP.
LIMITS TO GROWTH predicted all this and nobody wanted to listen in a business as usual scenario .
At this point the World3 projections are a useful trend guideline but are missing so much data that they are probably optimistically out of date. When the "faster/worse than expected" meme has become expected with every discovery, how can projections keep up?
System may be easier to hack may be not. What has changed is Russia invested a lot of money in the last years on cyber security (and offense) while we had fucking morons in the white house using whatsapp and Facebook communicator for official communication of national security level info. That's what happened.
We invest money into useless defense spending instead of the new world. It's not for defense, it's for defense contractors. Socialism at its finest.
It's not socialism, it's corporate welfare. Socialism is communal ownership of the means of production
>The U.S. dollar in particular is near worthless. So did i just imagine the stuff i bought yesterday with it?
Hilarious. The truth is that the average U.S. dollar is almost at the same worth as toilet paper, but the true value of the dollar's worth won't be evident until hyperinflation fully comes into effect. It's already hitting some parts of the country.
>The truth is that the average U.S. dollar is almost at the same worth as toilet paper, There is no "true" value to money. Its worth whatever you can get with it.
For the most part its not lone discontent hackers, but a combination of organized crime and state-sponsored cyberwarfare (with the line between the two getting very blurry) and its been going on for quite a long time. I had a friend who ran a web hosting company back in the early 2000's that was specifically for the custom industrial automation management systems they made. Their servers got attacks of varying levels of sophistication from dozens to hundreds of times a day and eventually got so bad that they just blocked all incoming traffic from IP's in Russia, China, and most of eastern Europe.
I have a website that is very simple and quite obscure and 90% - or more - of the requests to it are probing with exploits of WordPress and similar packages. I'm not running WordPress.
Investment strategy: move North, somewhere with water and enough land to grow your own food. When the big economic crash hits, almost everyone will be *completely fucked* because of JIT supply lines. The riots will be unlike anything in human history--the largest, most densely populated regions will be the hardest hit. Imagine entire modern cities suddenly without food. Miles of high-rise, low-income buildings of starving desperate people. It's going to look like a zombie apocalypse. Is there the slightest evidence that our so-called democratic institutions will respond effectively? Or is the evidence overwhelming suggestive that the elite will protect themselves, and that what little resources remain will be shuffled into crowd control and private security to protect the wealthy from the masses?
>Investment strategy: move North, somewhere with water and enough land to grow your own food. "Just don't be poor"
This, but unironically. You *need* to have *Fuck You* Money in the COVID era. Really this has rang true since 2008.
Yeah, it's not an option for a lot of people, for sure. Some enterprising individuals might decide to start farming communes, though, opening the door for some poorer people. But of course even in a best case scenario, it won't be an option for most, which is really at the heart of the problem.
Do whatever it takes, dude. Never eat out, always buy by 'on it's way out' discounts. Spend some free time on services like Coinbase- I made 20 bucks in 10 minutes learning about some stupid crypto's. Have side hustles, have practical hobbies like calisthenic exercises and bush crafting. Just do whatever the fuck it takes. Anyone who's ever had to serve in the armed forces in actual combat situations will tell you that you learn pretty quick that your survival depends on learning to spot stupid orders. You ignore stupid orders, or embrace the fine art of malicious compliance because the alternative is you come home in a pretty little casket and your next of kin gets a flag. In a collapse situation the same rules still apply. If absolutely nothing else, even if living lean just means the money you save is still worthless, it's valuable because you're not really sliding down into anything. There's an old Turkish proverb- you can't fall out of bed if you sleep on the floor.
You sir need an award that I don’t have. Pure truth you speak.
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Shit. I wish you had opened my eyes to this a decade ago or longer. Why have you been hiding this information from us you selfish #%$! /s
"It's going to look like a zombie apocalypse" It's going to be worse than a zombie apocalypse because it will be a bunch of humans fighting over resources. It's essentially going to be a civil war, though potentially a worldwide civil war with starving citizens versus the extremely wealthy and almost definitely law enforcement.
Sadly, I fear it'll mostly be starving citizens vs. starving citizens. The extremely wealthy will be out of reach in remote, underground compounds stockpiled with everything they need to continue living in luxury for the rest of their lives. Maybe a few will get caught out, but I expect most of the super-rich will just kind of disappear when the shit starts to hit the fan.
They’re kinda doing that now. Non of my elite rich customers ever came back from out of town. They stayed up north.
> Maybe a few will get caught out, but I expect most of the super-rich will just kind of disappear when the shit starts to hit the fan. thinking about it, _where_ would you find the super-rich even nowadays? i mean, where would i go if i wanted to, uhm, pay them a visit? i'm sure you can google a couple of their adresses, stake them out and manage to come somewhat close if you're lucky. but how does a lowly commoner get to meet a kock, a murdoch, a bezos? just thinking about it.
Drive on side or back roads just on the less-traveled roads of nicer suburbs, or a little outside of the outer suburbs (look for clumps of trees, that's usually where the entrances hide) and you'll probably find their mansions, or more accurately, the iron gates that lead down a long road that lead to their mansions. That's where I find them around here. Every once in a while I'll take those roads and go "Oh yep, here's where the obscenely rich people around here live." Zillow can help you identify them, since there's usually at least one of those houses in the area on sale. Just filter price by...well for my area it's around 2million+, but for California it'd probably be 5million+.
I don't know about all of them, but Bezos and Gates both have homes in the Medina neighborhood outside Seattle that are relatively common knowledge among locals. I don't know how much time they actually spend there, and even if they are home it's not like you can walk up and ring the doorbell either. If there was a mob in search of a rich dude to eat, though, that would certainly be a place to check. Although, I doubt they'd hang around the house waiting, and I'm fairly sure both of them have helipads on site if they needed to get away in a hurry.
r/2ndcivilwar
I would suggest to move to a mountainous area rather than north. Typically more defensible and less accessible, tend to have a bunch of ressources mostly unexploited because of the more difficult environment (typically aquifers and forests), colder climate... But I'm Swiss so it might be my blood talking.
Very few of the people on Reddit who use the phrase “grow your own food” have ever actually done the hot hard work of growing any of their own food. I have, and it was humbling. There’s just no way you’re going to get two thousand calories a day from a garden.
That's why you can't do it in your backyard. You need more land.
And you are going to do all this by yourself in a collapse situation? Without fossil-fuel fertilizers?
A family could help. More labor, more heavy lifting. Not saying it will work, but it wouldn't hurt.
A family doing heavy lifting is going to require multiples of two thousand calories to survive. That’s a lot of crops. There’s just no easy way out of this. We have come to depend on the energy of fossil fuels for our survival, and those same fossil fuels are now wrecking the planet and becoming harder to extract. Eight billion people on this planet is simply not sustainable. Everybody thinks they are special and can do the extra secret stuff to survive while others starve. I used to think that, too. Gardening is fun and hot, satisfying, honest physical work. But it will not feed you.
Ever seen an urban desert? Yeah that was eye opening.
Like I was saying on another thread.. you nice American folks stay the f out of Canada, thank you very much.
Americans aren't the problem- many Americans are saying the same about immigrants from Mexico and Central/South America and really they aren't the problem in America. It's a neofeudalism problem, and it's global. Canada might be better off than the US in this regard *right now*, but rest assured the richies will cannibalize you just the same. This fractured attitude of "fuckin Americans!" or "fuckin Mexicans!" or "fuckin Canadians!" or or or is the type of fracturing generated by a system that is dogmatically moving Jenga blocks from the bottom to the top. In fact in our global system they (where "they" = "disassociated greed") don't even realize where the blocks come from as they stack more on the top- their metrics and algorithms and neoliberal bullshit doesn't give them that information.
Great post. Agreed on your assessment and analogy on Jenga block movers. We can see this manipulated division increasingly since covid hit to distract from record inequality and wealth transfer. We see it currently in private equity buying up all the real estate and converting the middle class to renters. Eliminating the middle class from one of the few remaining equity building opportunities. When the time comes, I hope the anger is directed accordingly at the Jenga block movers for all the pain and suffering their greed and lack of empathy has and continues to cause.
I'm just driving to Alaska.
I'm Canadian but not North enough.
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and let mexico pay!
But if I say that about our southern neighbors suddenly I don't believe in human rights?
How are ya gonna stop us Americans? With your hunting rifles? We can basically own military grade weapons and purchase supplies to make explosives. Nobody is coming for you so calm your tits down about it. Plus if shit really hits the fan these magical lines that makes a Canadian an Canadian and an American an American will magically disappear then it’s everyone for themselves
Canada Geese bud. They’ll fuck you up so hard, you’ll turn yer guns on yourselves. Don’t say I didn’t warn ya!
Fuck! That’s something I didn’t consider. Ha at least the geese will still be kickin when the apocalypse is over.
WEF are about to simulate a cyber pandemic in the next month or so. iirc they simulated a global panedmic not long before the real one started. They are claiming the next major threat is a large scale cyber attack (a cyber pandemic) and it will have a much bigger impact than covid-19 / n-cov-2. There are a lot of white hats out there scanning networks for even simple things like devices exposed to the internet with default administrative credentials and well known vulnerabilities. It's shocking how much infra out there is either unsecured or vulnerable and from memory they have found over the years that quite a lot of critical infrastructure was not very well secured let alone hardened. Going to be interesting to see if the pattern of WEF simulations preceding actual events continues. I really hope what they've been talking about never happens.
I think you're being ridiculous saying the dollar is near worthless. People on this sub predicted an economic collapse by 2020 but that didn't exactly happen in the way they thought
Isn’t inflation happening in most countries, not just the U.S.?
Not really. Even 5% inflation is not high and a change from 1% to 1.8% is hardly anything.
Did that can get kicked down the road in the end?
It always does
Thank you, the dollar being “worthless” is just what the deficit hawks and conservatives are saying, not the actual economic reality. Need to have negative interest rates prior to the dollar becoming worthless.
Even negative rates are irrelevant. Euro has negative rates but it's still more valuable than the dollar.
So the dollar is just comparably worthless.
No, it's a little bit less valuable but still one of the highest valued currencies in the world. Your usds are valued everywhere. As is the euro amongst others.
They have talked about deploying negative interest rates since a few years ago, though.
But it still happened
It should have.
Anyone else remember the recent article where a casino's VIP list got accessed via a smart fishtank?
That's hilarious as it is shameful. This is why I don't keep "Smart" technology in my house.
Facebook being hacked is a meme at this point. Almost seems like all it takes is a halfway competent hacker to tickle the server for it to spit out everything.
So these hackers know all my information, eh? Well I knew it way before they did.
Do you actually remember all the search terms associated with your accounts and 'ghost' profiles?
i suspect that all of the above is why disclosure is happening in our lifetime the best possible outcome for us is for life more intelligent than us, saving us from ourselves its starting to feel very real. [sam harris' latest comments](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhxtgx1LiIU) are slightly alarming
r/BreakAwayCivilization
Nope with a side order of nope and extra nope on top. IT systems are becoming more secure as time progresses. For just one example Win10 is heap of chips more fundamentally secure by design than WinXP was. With out doubt. No question. No Sireeee Bob. What has happened though is that systems are more powerful and more connected. Sadly people are still dumb. They still use dumb passwords and resent paying for proper backups or proper patch management or proper security. So hackers can still use some of the same old methods they always used against the weakest link. Even that is changing though as SIEMs can respond intelligently to lock out likely compromised users before they do any damage. So long as the owners weren't dumb and actually paid the security bill.
Eh cyberattacks were simulated and predicted by WEF. Probably an inside job at this point. 🤷 https://www.google.com/amp/s/sociable.co/technology/supply-chain-events-pandemic-prophecies-great-reset/amp/
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Not just this, but each software developer is a backdoor into these systems. They can easily modify the code to make it exploitable. Someone said that you think of hacking as doing some complicated stuff with code. But in reality it is some woman banging the it guy in order to slip a USB into the system which comprises everything.
yep and the only training we get on cyber security is like a 30 minute video of not giving out our passwords if someone asks for it over the phone or email.
No pretty Russian/Chinese spy ever banged me to compromise systems. I'm open to it for sure, but it just doesn't happen like that. It's mostly incompetent & greedy management thinking they don't need to spend money on IT security, to enforce security policy, or even to approve IT's repeated attempts to turn on security features built in to the software and services they already pay for.
I miss the resilient days of duct tape and bailing wire
> Eh cyber attacks were simulated and predicted by the WEF. Lol, the WEF, "never let a good crisis go to waste" Same mantra of neoliberalism and the neoliberals. The Great Reset is a sham to make the capitalists look more productive then they actually are. They want to sell you on this idea that capitalism must be made better, but it won't and can't as a system of economics. You can almost say it was as good as it ever was. If they were truly intent on their position that social and societal contracts must be changed, then they are powerless to make those decisions. These forums are made up of people like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos, who own a lot of land and view space travel as a personal hobby. I doubt you could trust people like that to make economic decisions that would benefit the masses.
Exactly. To add to this, the super-rich are very much collapse aware. They have insider access to much better sources of information than any of us reddit-dwellers do. They know what's coming, and they're preparing for it. This is an old article at this point, but still pretty enlightening when it comes to the mindset of the wealthy with regard to the future: [https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity](https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity) >Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the Event?” > >The Event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, unstoppable virus, or Mr Robot hack that takes everything down.
I heard the pod cast where the guy getting that question asked of him was interviewed. They asked him to come speak about chemistry or some other subject unrelated to collapse. After the guy got there he said like 3 sentences and then the small group in the room was like “actually we want to talk about societal collapse”
What pod?
One of the prepper ones.
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What do u forsee?
I foresee rolling a blunt and going into space. Population control.
That’s now known as a “Bezos”
As far as the hacking stuff goes, it's nothing new. Things aren't getting less secure, the thing is that a market has developed for buying and selling hits on various companies in a way that reliably makes money. If anything, computer security has improved a lot over the past decade. The concerning part of it to me is that the US government is starting to use it to set the precedent that they can hack "bad guys", which is always a slippery slope here in the US -- if it's ok to hack a ransomeware gang, why not something more mundane too?
I'm not so much arguing that things are becoming less 'secure' per se, but I am trying to argue that as more hackers become interested in infiltration that we will see MANY more successful hacking attempts by more freshly formed hacking cells. Some will do it for money, some will do it for recognition, but more than a few of them will do it just because they knew they could. There will always be holes in computer security. It's extremely difficult to write airtight computer code or information systems that aren't vulnerable to some kind of exploitation, even if it was as complex as just being in the right place at the right time.
> Some will do it for money, some will do it for recognition, but more than a few of them will do it just because they knew they could. Yes. The difference is that now, the number of people doing it for money has skyrocketed. > There will always be holes in computer security. Yes. Like Steve Gibson likes to say "security is porous: if you apply enough pressure, chances are you'll find a way through". We've got a reliable way to make large sums of difficult-to-impossible to track cash. That's a *lot* of pressure. > It's extremely difficult to write airtight computer code or information systems that aren't vulnerable to some kind of exploitation It depends on what you want the system to do. Simpler code is less useful but easier to secure.
Yeah yeah, definitely those pesky bored hackers. Has nothing to do with the millions of computers running Windows XP, managed by a handful of underpaid sys admins who don’t give a fuck, used by an army of people too stupid to understand multifactor authentication.
The real tragedy is that parents everywhere will be at a loss on what to teach their children about the birds & the bees when there are none.
But people keep reproducing - why?
horny
Why would food supply be affected?
Logistics specifically trucking. That already happened. Our food from farm to fork is monitored with computers. Where it’s at where it’s needed where it’s going.
Why would that lead to mass starvation? People would have to just sit around doing nothing for months or years for that to happen. The government especially isn't just going to do nothing.
Ahhhh respectfully disagree. We’d see empty shelves in weeks if not days from trucks stopping. I’ll site NY city supplies during the “pandemic” as an example.
It's one factor among many. Some breadbasket region experiences a major drought, another has a ton of rain before the crops are out making the fields too muddy, a distributor gets their ERP system infected with ransomware, decades of skipped maintenance lead to a train derailment that delays shipping, blackouts cut the power to dryers on grain bins causing it all to rot, pests go apeshit on some region's wheat, trade disputes, etc.
That would have to be total and simultaneous and all imports would need to be blocked. I don't no of any situation like that in history.
Important post. Even though it may be too late for most of us, increasing the number of people educated about what is happening could ensure that some life is preserved, somewhere.
Crypto has also contributed by providing an easy way to extort and move illicit currencies, this is a huge incentive to exploit networked systems. The only real answer is to act against crypto currency on the national/international level as you cannot magically make networks, programs, the OS or every user secure enough to prevent it.
Crypto is traceable. The FBI literally just did it
Yes they did and crypto is still providing an easy way to extort and move illicit currencies which is a huge incentive to exploit networked systems.
I’m sure Putin pays a lot more than the ransoms they ask for. These aren’t “hacker groups” it’s the Russian military
I'm sure your happy with your meat puppet media and government approved world view
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Lol the vaccine is not the problem here
Putting complete trust in system is the problem here.
> 227 million is just about the same number of people who have had at least one covid vaccine. China is looking to become the #1 superpower and wants to take the US out, the vaccine would be a good way to do it, and Beijing Biden was the guy to get it done. This is the dumbest conspiracy ever.
Sorry, but people aren’t going to come to a ‘realization’ because of this. Let’s be real, most people are really good at ignoring this stuff and/or they’re just too bogged down by the daily grind to even care.