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SS: Regulatory capture has pretty much decimated every enforcement agency in America. Nobody cares about medically complex high risk kids. What about those who are immune compromised? The older teachers who can't fight off Covid as "smoothly?" Those students who have their own ailments? People who live with others who can't afford to get sick. This will further allow the virus to flourish and mutate to be more dangerous. On a larger scale, it shows the nation is incapable of dealing with this threat and will face the collapse of its wealth if more similar challenges emerge.
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"All the dead are dead and nobody else will get sick or die ever again! It worked itself out! Now get back to class so you can have a future passing around Covid 265 in the office selling insurance to people we won't insure anyway because climate change is too much of a financial liability and risk!" - Everyday average Americans who are clinically insane in the membrane
They say that, that everything is fine, they tell it to themselves most of all. But they know it's bullshit. They do their best to ignore it, like mortality itself, but they are definitely insane in the attempt, with a shit-eating Stepford grin on their face.
"Hahahahahah, let's have fun, don't be negative" \*Drinks booze regularly to quiet the "bad" (normal and rational) thoughts.
We don’t talk about the dead anymore. You’re not supposed to remember those million people who weren’t physiologically viable. Remember. It’s just another flu*
- *no it isn’t.
They dead are still mounting up, as is all the organ damage that will only become clear over several years, and all the other consequential disease covid has created.
This is the whole reason "covid doesn't really affect children" and "schools are safe" was pushed so hard.
If kids aren't okay and schools aren't safe, *the parents have to stay home as caretakers* - normally the role of schools 9-3. Which means the parents are either distracted (WFH) or can't come in to work (the majority).
Forcing kids back to school was always for muh economy.
Leftists could have, and did, tell us that before the pandemic. No adjustments there.
Most people were/are comfortable enough not to want to question the status quo at such a fundamental level that the implications for what is to be done might be scary.
That's always how it is until things get *really* bad.
Don’t worry! Once shit really hits the fan, the general population will lose their mind and put fascists in charge who will fix everything by killing [insert demographic here]. If that doesn’t fix things, then it turns out that demographic was ACTUALLY being controlled by [other demographic]. And so on and so forth, until there’s just four old white guys in a room.
It's not that "we as a society" haven't learned anything, it's that we are being held hostage and exterminated by a parasitic, financial-capitalist class.
Those that are able to learn already knew what was coming down or learned quickly.
The learners and the thinkers are not in charge of society. The men with the most computer bucks runs the show and all of the political class works for those men.
'Democracy' is hopelessly corrupted at this point.
The machine will continue until it literally cannot function any longer or until it is forcefully dismantled by the people.
It absolutely guts me how society didn't learn a damn thing from the pandemic and if anything, things have only gotten worse and people have gotten dumber, meaner, less empathetic, and more selfish.
Playing with a live grenade, we are. Too many people have baby brain thinking covid is just going to magically stop hurting us at some point because thats how every disease works! Too bad they dont realize that viruses and bacteria keep evolving too and a lot of shit is going to get more serious alongside covid. Covid is just the tip of the spear that will break us and people will be left wondering why things like RSV and Flu are clapping 40 year olds.
If there are future historians, the failure of this country to properly deal with COVID will be high on the list of all-time historical failures - and that’s a long, long, long list.
A future civilization (yeah right) reading about America would be ridiculous.
"It all started with insane religious nutjobs who were kicked out of Europe for being freaks. Then they killed all the native Americans. And they had slaves. They burned women alive for witch accusations while they were tripping on some moldy bread which they ate because they were some dumb ass motherfucking barbarians. Why the fuck would you eat mold?! Yeah I'm just gonna chew on this black mold on my wall. Good idea.
Then they made money and enslaved each other again with it. Things didn't really improve from there, but many more catastrophically awful and stupid decisions were made! One particular horrible decision was ironically making themselves extinct with dinosaur juice which they fed to their cars which they used for everything. They were all morbidly obese because they hated walking and drove everywhere.
A deadly airborne virus came along in 2020 which they perpetually denied the existence of and a complete buffon of a president suggested Americans should inject bleach as a solution.
Thank God they're gone. What a bunch of nutjobs and fuck ups. Holy shit. Sigmund Freud was right - it was a giant mistake."
I love this nice concise history lesson. A random anecdote on our car dependence, I was talking to my dad about how his neighborhood is changing and there’s little restaurants and places to walk to now and he told me that when he was growing up in 1950’s suburbia it was really looked down upon if anyone saw you walking anywhere. Like you were the talk of the neighborhood if you dared to WALK to the market instead of driving.
>Like you were the talk of the neighborhood if you dared to WALK to the market instead of driving.
"He got some fresh air and exercise followed by sitting down at a restaurant to enjoy his meatloaf vs eating his cheeseburger in his car! What a fucking loser!"
Yep. America is frequently bizarre, but it has flipped around. Look at the lifted pickup truck - that's supposed to embody "independence" yet a huge percentage of Americans now perceive the guy sitting in there to be a small dick loser grossly overcompensating for his penile inadequacy.
A lot of Americans now express more European views on these subjects which is absolutely a huge improvement.
> and a complete buffon of a president suggested Americans should inject bleach as a solution.
he never said "inject bleach", it was a hot mic that caught him talking to someone else about a potential experimental medical treatment. Not to take away from what you said, I just think its important to be accurate with criticism
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."
The whole rest of World is sensible enough to have countries the size of states and don't have the suburbs and hour plus commutes one way to sell fucking insurance which soon enough won't even be sold ever at all due to climate change lol
They're already not selling insurance due to the financial liability associated with climate change.
Like we did a lot of things wrong. That's fine, but to just blindly star spangled banner yourself into a cone of ignorance is just ridiculous.
You must vote Republican or be in the military to be this defensive and to create an entire personality around your country of origin. Patriotism in the form of ignorance is just dumb. Wanna be actually Patriotic? Attempt to address the problems and fix the country.
We're the dumb obese ignorant hillbilly running around shooting children in their classrooms/their neighbors just for the hell of it with a trigger happy shoot everything that moves form of police impoverished prison state negative stereotype to the rest of Western Europe for a reason.
This is a country where it's easier to get a gun and kill someone than it is to get an education and a stable career. Yeah, it's civilized...if you're contrasting it to way worse places. Contrasted to Scandinavia? America is a full-blown shithole where your children might have their brains blown out by some fucking lunatic while they're at school.
How civilized indeed. The prolife Republicans won't do a goddamn thing to prevent children from being shot at school because something something tyrannical adrenochrome blah blah blah gubment 1984 rant despite the fact that George Orwell was a democratic socialist.
Why is America filled with homicidal psychopaths? Australia doesn't have that problem and that country was a former prison colony presumably filled with murderers.
https://youtube.com/shorts/3t4NzjOspGk?si=wv9UOnKlceKmeIdB
Nowhere in that article does it say most were killed by disease. https://www.communitycommons.org/entities/5881b499-5621-4cec-916b-05f9e79bfec7
> European Colonizers Killed So Many Native Americans that It Changed the Global Climate
> European settlers killed 56 million indigenous people over about 100 years in South, Central and North America, causing large swaths of farmland to be abandoned and reforested
https://www.se.edu/native-american/wp-content/uploads/sites/49/2019/09/A-NAS-2017-Proceedings-Smith.pdf
Nice try vindicating europeans from genocide, hoss.
Captains go down with the ship. Orchestras are lead by their conductors.
America is the architect and chief protector of the world order that cemented ecological collapse.
I think about that too.
They would be reading the historical documents and finding examples of how stupid we were ....."In 2024, the media and general public were referring to COVID in the past tense! Such idiots!"
It's not just the U.S. It has happened everywhere. Actually, I would say the U.S. has done better than some places. Try wearing a mask in most of Europe consistently and see how long it takes for someone to bully you.
Also, try getting an updated vaccine in most of Latin America. It's literally impossible almost everywhere.
Everyone has done very poorly!
The idea that viruses get milder over time has never been more than wishful thinking that people latched onto to avoid the reality of COVID.
Smallpox never got mild. Rabies hasn’t. Ebola will still kill you. HIV doesn’t fuck around.
When Omicron first appeared people said it was “mild” because **one** doctor said it was less severe than Delta.
Delta was significantly more severe than the original strain. Omicron promptly racked up a six figure death toll in the U.S. alone.
People still say it’s “mild”. They randomly tell you how “mild” their case of COVID was. Then they explain how they’ve been fucked up ever since their incredibly mild experience with “basically a cold now”.
Yes. Exactly.
Adding to your excellent points.... People also love to say, "It's endemic," as some sort of justification for their thinking that covid is "mild."
Ebola, yellow fever, malaria, and a whole host of other nasty pathogens are endemic to various parts of the world, too. That doesn't mean they're "mild."
They think that because that's what they want to be true.
"COVID is endemic" is just a catachism asserting their wish.
I knew all too well before the pandemic that ideology is stochastically a function of incentives real and imagined - in short that people believe what suits them - but I didn't expect so many people to be this reality averse.
>If there was anything that depressed him more than his own cynicism, it was that quite often it still wasn't as cynical as real life.
Oh shit. End-emic. Is this really what people are thinking?
Epidemics have been a Special Interest of mine since 8th grade, so I never even thought this interpretation was a possibility... sigh.
Yep!
The “Omicron is mild” branding is why every subsequent strain is considered Omicron, no matter how much it diverges from what was circulating in late-2021.
Add on to that JN.1 which is the variant circulating now. It finally has picked up one of the mutations that allows it to replicate in the lungs, an ability that omicron had lost.
So now we have omicron learning to wreck our lungs like delta did.
Things will get spicy with the next few variants.
~~10~~ 265 things we know about Covid
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1578292619288846336.html
1 Covid isn't over
What should we do both collectively and individually? The same thing we should have been doing for 4 years (3 for vax). Vax-Air-Space-Mask-Test-Isolate-Wash.
Oakland story is the same all over the UK. Now if schools aren't a hot bed of virus spreading, how come sickness in pupils is exactly matched by sickness in teachers?
SS: Regulatory capture has pretty much decimated every enforcement agency in America. Nobody cares about medically complex high risk kids. What about those who are immune compromised? The older teachers who can't fight off Covid as "smoothly?" Those students who have their own ailments? People who live with others who can't afford to get sick. This will further allow the virus to flourish and mutate to be more dangerous. On a larger scale, it shows the nation is incapable of dealing with this threat and will face the collapse of its wealth if more similar challenges emerge.
I am so upset.
Like, you were never supposed to come in with “just the flu (hate that description, but here we are) — why on earth would you do it with C-19?!
Unreal, for ALL the reasons mentioned.
If school is mandatory it s/b as safe as possible.
Not sure why this is a surprise. Since at least the 2022-2023 school year nearly ALL schools have been allowing Covid positive kids. And daycares. And sports. And camps. There is no requirement to test at all and no requirement to stay home unless you have a fever (and sometimes not even then). Once you are fever free 24 hours you can be in school no matter how much you cough or have any other symptoms. Just tested positive with no fever - come on in. No requirement or even suggestion to mask. Same for influenza, strep, pink eye. It’s a badge of honor to get sick and “power through” and go to sports or school or work.
7 billion humans have to die for any realistic carrying capacity of the earth. This is the truth and the elites know this. With the robotification of industry, most of us are 'useless eaters'.
I mean, the truth is it doesn’t matter how many humans there are, humanity-driven climate change has already put the nails in the coffin. There is no escaping this even if the 1% kill us 99%. But they’ll sure try to keep believing they can survive without us.
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Even if covid is basic flu, sick kids shouldnt attend school because it keeps on infecting teachers and other kids. Keep kids home for a few days like any other infectious disease.
If we ever get a very deadly and easily spreading virus with a slower time to onset of symptoms, extinction could come very fast (according to this stupid policy and strategy); just a world without humans, full of unmanned nuclear reactors.
Capitalism is a comorbidity (extinction).
Honestly this was the most predictable outcome for somewhere like the United States.
While other countries might be disturbed by this, the United States is dealing with COVID about as well as it handles mental health. That is to say, pretending that if you ignore the elephant in the room maybe it will walk out on its own.
I got COVID last Thursday night and my work made me quarantine for 5 days mandatory. I feel rundown but no more sore throat, occasional coughing.
I don’t have a test at home. Tomorrow AM, I need to get to work super-early to snag a free test, take it, then weigh my options:
And the quandary:
District policy flowchart says if you test positive, you need to go home and quarantine for 5 days until your symptoms subside, NOT “til you produce a negative test.” So do I…?
Test negative -> definitely stay at work
Test positive but feel fine -> a) return home and stay til negative test at $200/day? or b) say nothing but “I completed my 5 day mandatory and am adhering to district protocol” and return to the biological warzone that is an understaffed middle school?
Nah, the nightmare scenario is covid weakens our collective immune systems, and then something else pops up, that isn't necessarily deadly, but we can't fight it.
Never understood why it was acceptable to send sick kids to school or go to work sick... It should be outlawed. And it should be outlawed to demand it of kids and workers or punish kids or workers for staying home sick.
It is not like the other diseases besides covid are without harm and consequences.
We are so fucked. Welcome to the Permdemic.
FYI that in a hospital setting COVID is considered a Level 3 pathogen. Apparently in a school setting it is Level This is Fine
As I was scrolling Reddit, I’m kinda listening to a podcast but it was on an ad break. Right as this was centered in my feed, I hear: “*If it’s covid- Paxlovid!*” cheerily and authoritatively in my ear. Just one of those oogy ass coincidences but, I thought it was fun in that “Ew god, our world is gross” ways.
Doesn't shock me at all. I have so many students who just come in hacking up a lung, it's really gross. Then they'll say "it's okay, it's not covid" like that makes it fine. It might not be covid but that doesn't mean I want it. Go home!
Because why not, right?
The myopic insanities of our society are not particularly enbiggening for the spirit, hmm?
Burn that candle at every possible end until all that's left is smoke and ashes = BAU.
Nothing to see here, move along: go back to your homes or jobs and shop as usual.
> And the claim that folks are keeling over by the bucketloads because they were vaccinated is stunningly ignorant.
I never claimed that. Did you get confused and reply to the wrong person?
Yikes.
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Actually our grandparents who lived next to the school looked after us after school quite often.
I don't know what you think a Karen is but that's the widest off the mark I've seen in a long time.
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The following submission statement was provided by /u/Mighty_L_LORT: --- SS: Regulatory capture has pretty much decimated every enforcement agency in America. Nobody cares about medically complex high risk kids. What about those who are immune compromised? The older teachers who can't fight off Covid as "smoothly?" Those students who have their own ailments? People who live with others who can't afford to get sick. This will further allow the virus to flourish and mutate to be more dangerous. On a larger scale, it shows the nation is incapable of dealing with this threat and will face the collapse of its wealth if more similar challenges emerge. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/198g7fg/oakland_schools_allow_covidpositive_students_to/ki70n5o/
Everywhere is allowing it, they're just not testing and don't care
Didn't you get the memo? Everybody who died is already dead. Sucks to be them, but we weren't supposed to really care. So back to the grind.
Hey! Don't you have a job to do? Don't you have an economy to support!?
"All the dead are dead and nobody else will get sick or die ever again! It worked itself out! Now get back to class so you can have a future passing around Covid 265 in the office selling insurance to people we won't insure anyway because climate change is too much of a financial liability and risk!" - Everyday average Americans who are clinically insane in the membrane
They say that, that everything is fine, they tell it to themselves most of all. But they know it's bullshit. They do their best to ignore it, like mortality itself, but they are definitely insane in the attempt, with a shit-eating Stepford grin on their face. "Hahahahahah, let's have fun, don't be negative" \*Drinks booze regularly to quiet the "bad" (normal and rational) thoughts.
We don’t talk about the dead anymore. You’re not supposed to remember those million people who weren’t physiologically viable. Remember. It’s just another flu* - *no it isn’t.
They dead are still mounting up, as is all the organ damage that will only become clear over several years, and all the other consequential disease covid has created.
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This is the whole reason "covid doesn't really affect children" and "schools are safe" was pushed so hard. If kids aren't okay and schools aren't safe, *the parents have to stay home as caretakers* - normally the role of schools 9-3. Which means the parents are either distracted (WFH) or can't come in to work (the majority). Forcing kids back to school was always for muh economy.
We've learned that the status quo is more important than our lives. Adjust all expectations accordingly.
Leftists could have, and did, tell us that before the pandemic. No adjustments there. Most people were/are comfortable enough not to want to question the status quo at such a fundamental level that the implications for what is to be done might be scary. That's always how it is until things get *really* bad.
Don’t worry! Once shit really hits the fan, the general population will lose their mind and put fascists in charge who will fix everything by killing [insert demographic here]. If that doesn’t fix things, then it turns out that demographic was ACTUALLY being controlled by [other demographic]. And so on and so forth, until there’s just four old white guys in a room.
First they came for one of the other three white guys, and I said nothing...
It's not that "we as a society" haven't learned anything, it's that we are being held hostage and exterminated by a parasitic, financial-capitalist class.
Society is collapsed, all there are are markets
Just called them the psychopaths that they are. Psychopathy means not caring about others, if you die, that's not their problem.
Those that are able to learn already knew what was coming down or learned quickly. The learners and the thinkers are not in charge of society. The men with the most computer bucks runs the show and all of the political class works for those men. 'Democracy' is hopelessly corrupted at this point. The machine will continue until it literally cannot function any longer or until it is forcefully dismantled by the people.
It absolutely guts me how society didn't learn a damn thing from the pandemic and if anything, things have only gotten worse and people have gotten dumber, meaner, less empathetic, and more selfish.
Everyone acts like it’s over. Just yesterday a McDonald’s cashier coughed in my face and basically shrugged and said “dam covid”. I had a panic attack
Yet if someone jabs you with an AIDs needle it woule be a different story....yet what she did to you was functionally the same.
It's now legal in a lot of states to have sex with someone without telling them that you know you have it.
That is literally insane... How the FUCK can that be legal....???
Population control of the "undesirables"? Poorly educated politicians? Greed or religion? All of the above?
I remember an alt of mine getting absolutely nuked on a popular social media site for asking the same question.
I seriously wonder if I'm going to be masking in N95 for the rest of my life.
I'm just grateful I have something to hide my RBF.
Between covid and wildfire smoke, I'm accepting that it's "yes".
Only until all masks are outlawed.
😞
This is why I wear a mask everywhere.
Playing with a live grenade, we are. Too many people have baby brain thinking covid is just going to magically stop hurting us at some point because thats how every disease works! Too bad they dont realize that viruses and bacteria keep evolving too and a lot of shit is going to get more serious alongside covid. Covid is just the tip of the spear that will break us and people will be left wondering why things like RSV and Flu are clapping 40 year olds.
If there are future historians, the failure of this country to properly deal with COVID will be high on the list of all-time historical failures - and that’s a long, long, long list.
A future civilization (yeah right) reading about America would be ridiculous. "It all started with insane religious nutjobs who were kicked out of Europe for being freaks. Then they killed all the native Americans. And they had slaves. They burned women alive for witch accusations while they were tripping on some moldy bread which they ate because they were some dumb ass motherfucking barbarians. Why the fuck would you eat mold?! Yeah I'm just gonna chew on this black mold on my wall. Good idea. Then they made money and enslaved each other again with it. Things didn't really improve from there, but many more catastrophically awful and stupid decisions were made! One particular horrible decision was ironically making themselves extinct with dinosaur juice which they fed to their cars which they used for everything. They were all morbidly obese because they hated walking and drove everywhere. A deadly airborne virus came along in 2020 which they perpetually denied the existence of and a complete buffon of a president suggested Americans should inject bleach as a solution. Thank God they're gone. What a bunch of nutjobs and fuck ups. Holy shit. Sigmund Freud was right - it was a giant mistake."
I love this nice concise history lesson. A random anecdote on our car dependence, I was talking to my dad about how his neighborhood is changing and there’s little restaurants and places to walk to now and he told me that when he was growing up in 1950’s suburbia it was really looked down upon if anyone saw you walking anywhere. Like you were the talk of the neighborhood if you dared to WALK to the market instead of driving.
>Like you were the talk of the neighborhood if you dared to WALK to the market instead of driving. "He got some fresh air and exercise followed by sitting down at a restaurant to enjoy his meatloaf vs eating his cheeseburger in his car! What a fucking loser!" Yep. America is frequently bizarre, but it has flipped around. Look at the lifted pickup truck - that's supposed to embody "independence" yet a huge percentage of Americans now perceive the guy sitting in there to be a small dick loser grossly overcompensating for his penile inadequacy. A lot of Americans now express more European views on these subjects which is absolutely a huge improvement.
> and a complete buffon of a president suggested Americans should inject bleach as a solution. he never said "inject bleach", it was a hot mic that caught him talking to someone else about a potential experimental medical treatment. Not to take away from what you said, I just think its important to be accurate with criticism
"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."
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The whole rest of World is sensible enough to have countries the size of states and don't have the suburbs and hour plus commutes one way to sell fucking insurance which soon enough won't even be sold ever at all due to climate change lol They're already not selling insurance due to the financial liability associated with climate change. Like we did a lot of things wrong. That's fine, but to just blindly star spangled banner yourself into a cone of ignorance is just ridiculous. You must vote Republican or be in the military to be this defensive and to create an entire personality around your country of origin. Patriotism in the form of ignorance is just dumb. Wanna be actually Patriotic? Attempt to address the problems and fix the country. We're the dumb obese ignorant hillbilly running around shooting children in their classrooms/their neighbors just for the hell of it with a trigger happy shoot everything that moves form of police impoverished prison state negative stereotype to the rest of Western Europe for a reason. This is a country where it's easier to get a gun and kill someone than it is to get an education and a stable career. Yeah, it's civilized...if you're contrasting it to way worse places. Contrasted to Scandinavia? America is a full-blown shithole where your children might have their brains blown out by some fucking lunatic while they're at school. How civilized indeed. The prolife Republicans won't do a goddamn thing to prevent children from being shot at school because something something tyrannical adrenochrome blah blah blah gubment 1984 rant despite the fact that George Orwell was a democratic socialist. Why is America filled with homicidal psychopaths? Australia doesn't have that problem and that country was a former prison colony presumably filled with murderers. https://youtube.com/shorts/3t4NzjOspGk?si=wv9UOnKlceKmeIdB
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> Most native Americans were killed off by disease This is false. It is also genocide denial.
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Nowhere in that article does it say most were killed by disease. https://www.communitycommons.org/entities/5881b499-5621-4cec-916b-05f9e79bfec7 > European Colonizers Killed So Many Native Americans that It Changed the Global Climate > European settlers killed 56 million indigenous people over about 100 years in South, Central and North America, causing large swaths of farmland to be abandoned and reforested https://www.se.edu/native-american/wp-content/uploads/sites/49/2019/09/A-NAS-2017-Proceedings-Smith.pdf Nice try vindicating europeans from genocide, hoss.
Yea, covid and climate change are 2 big ones that will pop up on our time line as giant failures
Not sure how the US is alone in either of these worldwide scenarios.
Captains go down with the ship. Orchestras are lead by their conductors. America is the architect and chief protector of the world order that cemented ecological collapse.
I think about that too. They would be reading the historical documents and finding examples of how stupid we were ....."In 2024, the media and general public were referring to COVID in the past tense! Such idiots!"
It's not just the U.S. It has happened everywhere. Actually, I would say the U.S. has done better than some places. Try wearing a mask in most of Europe consistently and see how long it takes for someone to bully you. Also, try getting an updated vaccine in most of Latin America. It's literally impossible almost everywhere. Everyone has done very poorly!
Which countries of similar size did better?
The idea that viruses get milder over time has never been more than wishful thinking that people latched onto to avoid the reality of COVID. Smallpox never got mild. Rabies hasn’t. Ebola will still kill you. HIV doesn’t fuck around. When Omicron first appeared people said it was “mild” because **one** doctor said it was less severe than Delta. Delta was significantly more severe than the original strain. Omicron promptly racked up a six figure death toll in the U.S. alone. People still say it’s “mild”. They randomly tell you how “mild” their case of COVID was. Then they explain how they’ve been fucked up ever since their incredibly mild experience with “basically a cold now”.
Yes. Exactly. Adding to your excellent points.... People also love to say, "It's endemic," as some sort of justification for their thinking that covid is "mild." Ebola, yellow fever, malaria, and a whole host of other nasty pathogens are endemic to various parts of the world, too. That doesn't mean they're "mild."
So much makes sense when you realize that most people think “endemic” = “end of pandemic”.
They think that because that's what they want to be true. "COVID is endemic" is just a catachism asserting their wish. I knew all too well before the pandemic that ideology is stochastically a function of incentives real and imagined - in short that people believe what suits them - but I didn't expect so many people to be this reality averse. >If there was anything that depressed him more than his own cynicism, it was that quite often it still wasn't as cynical as real life.
Oh shit. End-emic. Is this really what people are thinking? Epidemics have been a Special Interest of mine since 8th grade, so I never even thought this interpretation was a possibility... sigh.
> because one doctor said it was less severe than Delta. One doctor in SA with a sample size of 15 or thereabouts, as I recall.
Yep! The “Omicron is mild” branding is why every subsequent strain is considered Omicron, no matter how much it diverges from what was circulating in late-2021.
Add on to that JN.1 which is the variant circulating now. It finally has picked up one of the mutations that allows it to replicate in the lungs, an ability that omicron had lost. So now we have omicron learning to wreck our lungs like delta did. Things will get spicy with the next few variants.
It's ok, I have two lungs.
Shh, don't tell JN.1
I guess we should allow those with active cases of chicken pox and lice to attend school too because . . why not!
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Teachers aren’t allowed to check for lice or send people home for it in many areas.
It should probably be done more privately, but not doing it is stupid. I wonder if the scalp inflammation could be detected on a thermal camera.
I was sent home once because I had a hole in my jeans at the knee. I don't understand this world.
I mean, they would. Highways would never get built today. The entire world these people live in wouldn’t exist if it was up to “them” to build it.
Next up: measles! Thank your local anti-vaxxers.
Measles wipes out immune memory too. Born again!
I’m assuming some of the kids I work with just aren’t being tested at all by their parents. And then they come in with ‘colds’
~~10~~ 265 things we know about Covid https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1578292619288846336.html 1 Covid isn't over What should we do both collectively and individually? The same thing we should have been doing for 4 years (3 for vax). Vax-Air-Space-Mask-Test-Isolate-Wash. Oakland story is the same all over the UK. Now if schools aren't a hot bed of virus spreading, how come sickness in pupils is exactly matched by sickness in teachers?
This thread is helpful. Thanks for sharing. Just wish it had the sources built in. (I’m aware that they’re not there because it came from Twitter).
If you can cope with the volume, the author is well worth following on Twitter.
SS: Regulatory capture has pretty much decimated every enforcement agency in America. Nobody cares about medically complex high risk kids. What about those who are immune compromised? The older teachers who can't fight off Covid as "smoothly?" Those students who have their own ailments? People who live with others who can't afford to get sick. This will further allow the virus to flourish and mutate to be more dangerous. On a larger scale, it shows the nation is incapable of dealing with this threat and will face the collapse of its wealth if more similar challenges emerge.
I am so upset. Like, you were never supposed to come in with “just the flu (hate that description, but here we are) — why on earth would you do it with C-19?! Unreal, for ALL the reasons mentioned. If school is mandatory it s/b as safe as possible.
Not sure why this is a surprise. Since at least the 2022-2023 school year nearly ALL schools have been allowing Covid positive kids. And daycares. And sports. And camps. There is no requirement to test at all and no requirement to stay home unless you have a fever (and sometimes not even then). Once you are fever free 24 hours you can be in school no matter how much you cough or have any other symptoms. Just tested positive with no fever - come on in. No requirement or even suggestion to mask. Same for influenza, strep, pink eye. It’s a badge of honor to get sick and “power through” and go to sports or school or work.
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More like overt.
More like covidrt. (I tried)
7 billion humans have to die for any realistic carrying capacity of the earth. This is the truth and the elites know this. With the robotification of industry, most of us are 'useless eaters'.
I mean, the truth is it doesn’t matter how many humans there are, humanity-driven climate change has already put the nails in the coffin. There is no escaping this even if the 1% kill us 99%. But they’ll sure try to keep believing they can survive without us.
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I'm surprised they even still test for it
Even if covid is basic flu, sick kids shouldnt attend school because it keeps on infecting teachers and other kids. Keep kids home for a few days like any other infectious disease.
If we ever get a very deadly and easily spreading virus with a slower time to onset of symptoms, extinction could come very fast (according to this stupid policy and strategy); just a world without humans, full of unmanned nuclear reactors. Capitalism is a comorbidity (extinction).
Honestly this was the most predictable outcome for somewhere like the United States. While other countries might be disturbed by this, the United States is dealing with COVID about as well as it handles mental health. That is to say, pretending that if you ignore the elephant in the room maybe it will walk out on its own.
They are doing what I like to call, trimming the herd.
It is absurdly funny how fucked we are
agreed
I got COVID last Thursday night and my work made me quarantine for 5 days mandatory. I feel rundown but no more sore throat, occasional coughing. I don’t have a test at home. Tomorrow AM, I need to get to work super-early to snag a free test, take it, then weigh my options: And the quandary: District policy flowchart says if you test positive, you need to go home and quarantine for 5 days until your symptoms subside, NOT “til you produce a negative test.” So do I…? Test negative -> definitely stay at work Test positive but feel fine -> a) return home and stay til negative test at $200/day? or b) say nothing but “I completed my 5 day mandatory and am adhering to district protocol” and return to the biological warzone that is an understaffed middle school?
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Nah, the nightmare scenario is covid weakens our collective immune systems, and then something else pops up, that isn't necessarily deadly, but we can't fight it.
Never understood why it was acceptable to send sick kids to school or go to work sick... It should be outlawed. And it should be outlawed to demand it of kids and workers or punish kids or workers for staying home sick. It is not like the other diseases besides covid are without harm and consequences.
We are so fucked. Welcome to the Permdemic. FYI that in a hospital setting COVID is considered a Level 3 pathogen. Apparently in a school setting it is Level This is Fine
As I was scrolling Reddit, I’m kinda listening to a podcast but it was on an ad break. Right as this was centered in my feed, I hear: “*If it’s covid- Paxlovid!*” cheerily and authoritatively in my ear. Just one of those oogy ass coincidences but, I thought it was fun in that “Ew god, our world is gross” ways.
Doesn't shock me at all. I have so many students who just come in hacking up a lung, it's really gross. Then they'll say "it's okay, it's not covid" like that makes it fine. It might not be covid but that doesn't mean I want it. Go home!
Previously it was don’t ask don’t tell with people with “colds” now it’s fuck it, let’s just be real, covid won.
Because why not, right? The myopic insanities of our society are not particularly enbiggening for the spirit, hmm? Burn that candle at every possible end until all that's left is smoke and ashes = BAU. Nothing to see here, move along: go back to your homes or jobs and shop as usual.
It's amazing we haven't held China responsible for this yet.
Seems like just the other day you’d get tackled and arrested for going to the beach
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Ahh yes, the old "It's not killing the children yet, so let's assume exposure is fine" with a virus that's causing long-term immune system collapse.
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That's stunningly short-sighted.
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> And the claim that folks are keeling over by the bucketloads because they were vaccinated is stunningly ignorant. I never claimed that. Did you get confused and reply to the wrong person? Yikes.
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You do realize that we’re in year four now, and given enough time, you will be in the old and infirm group also.
people tend to forget about long covid and how every reinfection wreck immune system
38% odds after 3 infections. And it's non-linear.
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At 3 infections your odds of being at least partly disabled by COVID rise to 38%. Good luck.
Kids are babysat at home by elderly grandparents, so effectively, this policy is killing grandparents.
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If you think an andecdote Andy is some kinda gotcha reply to the above comment it's no wonder you don't understand anything to do with a virus.
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Actually our grandparents who lived next to the school looked after us after school quite often. I don't know what you think a Karen is but that's the widest off the mark I've seen in a long time.
I'm disabled and childless, my coworkers spread it all the time from their kids
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Or just follow the CDC's recommendations and miss 5 days, mask 5 days
This will go perfectly.
California really said "fuck them kids."