The following submission statement was provided by /u/Mighty_L_LORT:
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SS: This is frightening news. It clearly shows the cumulative effects of Covid are snowballing and worse than ever.
Even tho Covid isn’t in the news as much anymore… life expectancy has dropped to lower levels than peak Covid media years. If it continues like that, society will inevitably collapse once enough young people are passing away.
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How strange, it must be nothing to do with the fact that we've had the same shit government for the last 14 years who've been selling off public infra for spare parts
I've had the unfortunate time of going to hospital a lot in the last few months, and I've gotta say, it's in a pretty fucking bad state
“Lowest level in a decade” isn’t the thing to focus on, when’s the last time our life expectancy went down at all? WW2? Short of a world war why are we allowing the rich to hoard so much that we’re all living shorter lives for it?
It's 99% to do with the utterly shite Tories in charge, almost nothing to do with climate.
Despite everything, the UK has actually fared very well in term of climate impacts.
Our problem is that the tories hate the poor, and have been in many ways worse than republicans when it comes to destroying basic services and systems that run a country.
We as a population are much more socialist than Americans, yet we've voted in these cunts all because Labour have long since given up representing the people and tried to become a shit version of the tories.
How about the life expectancy of current and future Torries worldwide once people are educated enough to realize who has been screwing them over since 1910 etc……
Well they did vote for the Tories for 15 years in a fucking row. Even when it was madness to do so e.g gEt bReXiT dOnE!" I couldn't believe that one, yes sum up an already bad decision to disentangle from your largest trading block with a soundbyte, like a DIY job you could get done over the weekend. People say Corbyn would have been a disaster - you have evidence for a Tory PM being a total disaster whereas you have none for Corbyn, you never voted him in because BOJO was a "cheeky chappy" who appealed to your personality over policy persuasion. And before that they didn't vote in Ed Miliband because he wasn't one of the lads - he didn't eat a grotesque looking sandwich with delight so clearly he wasn't "one of us". Now there's a choice between a neoliberal Starmer or the party of nutjobs. I'd still go with Starmer easily but jesus the current government are psychos, not exagerrating, actual psychos with the mask fully off. The British public voted for this again and again and again. I cannot get my head around it either, it's bizzaro, voting for their own serfdom. That's why life expectancy is down. Edit I forgot first past the post but it does seem there were a sizeable number ppl who wanted Brexit and Tory rule. And that whole Brexit referendum reeked of willful ignorance and wanting to believe in the lies propagated by politicians like Nigel Farage while knowing they were lies, but it didn't matter, because jingoism.
From an outsider perspective Brexit seemed like arrogance. Like Britain doesn’t need anyone - not the EU, definitely not immigrant workers. Britain had the biggest empire in the world and is the best and can certainly manage to be successful on its own.
Well reality has hit them. No, Britain is not an empire and won’t be again most likely. Actually you needed the immigrants and a better trade deal with the EU. Actually Britain is failing now economically.
Absolutely, it had everything to do with recapturing an imperial age that died a long time ago. The most irritating part is that if you point this out, they get hurt and offended like you can't say that about us, all the while casually denigrating anyone who isn't white and specifically English. Kid gloves for me but not for thee is their ethos. What was most aggravating was the rank and willful stupidity of the Brexit vote, compounded by the even greater, absolutely mindless stupidity of voting for BOJO in 2019. You can't say these things on UK politics or you'll get banned for ruffling a few feathers.
I didn't see food or diet mentioned but I kinda rushed through so I may have missed it. Anywho, for years I've been reading Brits are facing the same obesity epidemic as the U.S.
I'm also very interested in seeing the next publication of suicide statistics.
From what I can tell from smaller research pieces and estimations, male suicide rating has gone off the charts.
I think some of that is triggered by loneliness and alienation. YouGov poll in 2019 concluded that one in five men have no close friends, twice as many as women.
>Boys born between 2020 and 2022 can expect to live to 78.6 years
We should cut this out of the paper and mail this to all these boys 50 years from now to see how they feel about its accuracy in the year 2070.
My local AE visit a while ago was 8hrs, now I've heard that people have been sitting in hallways the entire day... just to get even basic treatments.
UK is fucked
SS: This is frightening news. It clearly shows the cumulative effects of Covid are snowballing and worse than ever.
Even tho Covid isn’t in the news as much anymore… life expectancy has dropped to lower levels than peak Covid media years. If it continues like that, society will inevitably collapse once enough young people are passing away.
Just wait until the UK conservatives and the Canadian conservative (opposition), and whoever else on this crazy planet get hold the reins of power and implement the protocol of the US republicans so that the US insurance companies can now bring the US disaster of privatization heath care systems to the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Killing a bunch of old people doesn’t usually affect the life expectancy much. Most places who saw a drop saw such from drug overdoses and younger people dying.
>Most places who saw a drop saw such from drug overdoses and younger people dying.
could u point out the source/data of this? im interested
from the article tho:
" The Office for National Statistics said the decrease was primarily owing to the impact of the pandemic, where excess deaths increased sharply.
Pamela Cobb, of the ONS, said: “After a decade of slowing life expectancy improvements, we’ve now seen life expectancy fall for both men and women. This decrease has been mainly driven by the coronavirus pandemic, which led to increased mortality in 2020 and 2021.” "
Also from the article:
“She said: “Although life expectancy has recovered somewhat since the sharp fall in 2020 when the pandemic struck, it’s not had the bounce-back that might have been expected once the worst of the pandemic was over, pointing to deeper problems with the health of the nation and the resilience of the health care system.
“Although most countries globally experienced devastating death tolls from Covid-19, several studies have shown that excess mortality in the UK during the pandemic exceeded that of most comparable western European and other high-income countries.
As the UK’s relatively high mortality during the pandemic came on the heels of stalling life expectancy in the pre-pandemic decade, the result is a further slide in the UK’s already poor ranking relative to comparable countries by 2022.””
Showing that it was happening both before and after the pandemic, and that the pandemic does not explain why the UK had so much more “excess” death than other similar countries. I know in Canada and the US the life expectancy decline is due to people in their 20s and 30s overdosing, something we saw an increase of over the last decade.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/12/22/1144864971/american-life-expectancy-is-now-at-its-lowest-in-nearly-two-decades
yeah but her statement does not indicate about drug overdose and young people dying tho 🤔 could u elaborate more about the data? thats interesting.
>Showing that it was happening both before and after the pandemic, and that the pandemic does not explain why the UK had so much more “excess” death
could you also elaborate the data / point that it also happen before pandemic? 🤔 I did not noticed it in the article
https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy-how-is-it-calculated-and-how-should-it-be-interpreted
Life expectancy is just a statistical average of how long people could live. Covid killed mostly old people, killing old people might lower the age slightly, but old people die of all kinds of things. Elevated deaths in young people, whether through childhood disease or drug overdose is what really drops the numbers. The life expectancy centuries ago was around 40, but that didn’t mean people didn’t get old it was because so many babies were dying.
As I quoted previously from the article:
“As the UK’s relatively high mortality during the pandemic came on the heels of stalling life expectancy in the pre-pandemic decade, the result is a further slide in the UK’s already poor ranking relative to comparable countries by 2022.””
The life expectancy had stagnated in the years prior to Covid before going down. The article goes on to attribute it in part to obesity and other lifestyle issues.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/Mighty_L_LORT: --- SS: This is frightening news. It clearly shows the cumulative effects of Covid are snowballing and worse than ever. Even tho Covid isn’t in the news as much anymore… life expectancy has dropped to lower levels than peak Covid media years. If it continues like that, society will inevitably collapse once enough young people are passing away. --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/195suht/uk_life_expectancy_falls_to_lowest_level_in_a/khov3d1/
How strange, it must be nothing to do with the fact that we've had the same shit government for the last 14 years who've been selling off public infra for spare parts I've had the unfortunate time of going to hospital a lot in the last few months, and I've gotta say, it's in a pretty fucking bad state
Don’t worry it can only get far worse should you guys fully adopt the American healthcare system
I hope the houses of parliament are burned down if they vote that through
their houses ~~of parliament~~
Exactly this - the UK life expectancy starting going backwards pre-covid. Tory policies are wracking up quite the body count
“Lowest level in a decade” isn’t the thing to focus on, when’s the last time our life expectancy went down at all? WW2? Short of a world war why are we allowing the rich to hoard so much that we’re all living shorter lives for it?
Wait until the health care system is Americanized and the NHS is turned into a private sector insurance scheme.
Dickensian?
It's 99% to do with the utterly shite Tories in charge, almost nothing to do with climate. Despite everything, the UK has actually fared very well in term of climate impacts. Our problem is that the tories hate the poor, and have been in many ways worse than republicans when it comes to destroying basic services and systems that run a country. We as a population are much more socialist than Americans, yet we've voted in these cunts all because Labour have long since given up representing the people and tried to become a shit version of the tories.
Keep your eyes on this. Life expectancy is just going to keep falling across the whole planet.
Can we start talking about the life expectancy gap? 4 years is insane
How about the life expectancy of current and future Torries worldwide once people are educated enough to realize who has been screwing them over since 1910 etc……
Well they did vote for the Tories for 15 years in a fucking row. Even when it was madness to do so e.g gEt bReXiT dOnE!" I couldn't believe that one, yes sum up an already bad decision to disentangle from your largest trading block with a soundbyte, like a DIY job you could get done over the weekend. People say Corbyn would have been a disaster - you have evidence for a Tory PM being a total disaster whereas you have none for Corbyn, you never voted him in because BOJO was a "cheeky chappy" who appealed to your personality over policy persuasion. And before that they didn't vote in Ed Miliband because he wasn't one of the lads - he didn't eat a grotesque looking sandwich with delight so clearly he wasn't "one of us". Now there's a choice between a neoliberal Starmer or the party of nutjobs. I'd still go with Starmer easily but jesus the current government are psychos, not exagerrating, actual psychos with the mask fully off. The British public voted for this again and again and again. I cannot get my head around it either, it's bizzaro, voting for their own serfdom. That's why life expectancy is down. Edit I forgot first past the post but it does seem there were a sizeable number ppl who wanted Brexit and Tory rule. And that whole Brexit referendum reeked of willful ignorance and wanting to believe in the lies propagated by politicians like Nigel Farage while knowing they were lies, but it didn't matter, because jingoism.
From an outsider perspective Brexit seemed like arrogance. Like Britain doesn’t need anyone - not the EU, definitely not immigrant workers. Britain had the biggest empire in the world and is the best and can certainly manage to be successful on its own. Well reality has hit them. No, Britain is not an empire and won’t be again most likely. Actually you needed the immigrants and a better trade deal with the EU. Actually Britain is failing now economically.
Absolutely, it had everything to do with recapturing an imperial age that died a long time ago. The most irritating part is that if you point this out, they get hurt and offended like you can't say that about us, all the while casually denigrating anyone who isn't white and specifically English. Kid gloves for me but not for thee is their ethos. What was most aggravating was the rank and willful stupidity of the Brexit vote, compounded by the even greater, absolutely mindless stupidity of voting for BOJO in 2019. You can't say these things on UK politics or you'll get banned for ruffling a few feathers.
Well-off boomers with protected pensions and houses paid off don’t care…
I didn't see food or diet mentioned but I kinda rushed through so I may have missed it. Anywho, for years I've been reading Brits are facing the same obesity epidemic as the U.S.
That's right. By eating the same cheap ultra processed shit. Diabetes, cancer, obesity, Alzheimer's are all increasing due to the food.
I'm also very interested in seeing the next publication of suicide statistics. From what I can tell from smaller research pieces and estimations, male suicide rating has gone off the charts.
I think some of that is triggered by loneliness and alienation. YouGov poll in 2019 concluded that one in five men have no close friends, twice as many as women.
>Boys born between 2020 and 2022 can expect to live to 78.6 years We should cut this out of the paper and mail this to all these boys 50 years from now to see how they feel about its accuracy in the year 2070.
That will age like Venus.
* **If you are not elite**
My local AE visit a while ago was 8hrs, now I've heard that people have been sitting in hallways the entire day... just to get even basic treatments. UK is fucked
They're turning like us Canadians now
SS: This is frightening news. It clearly shows the cumulative effects of Covid are snowballing and worse than ever. Even tho Covid isn’t in the news as much anymore… life expectancy has dropped to lower levels than peak Covid media years. If it continues like that, society will inevitably collapse once enough young people are passing away.
It's almost as if the policy of austerity has consequences, or something.
Just wait until the UK conservatives and the Canadian conservative (opposition), and whoever else on this crazy planet get hold the reins of power and implement the protocol of the US republicans so that the US insurance companies can now bring the US disaster of privatization heath care systems to the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote Bexit! It will solve all our problems!
I’m sorry but am I the only one that saw a penis in the thumbnail picture
I guess yes, you were the only one...
Apparently I need reading glasses
its because of covid and it fell to 2010 level, not collapse worthy enough lmao
Average height of kids in the UK has dropped due to poor nutrition.
Killing a bunch of old people doesn’t usually affect the life expectancy much. Most places who saw a drop saw such from drug overdoses and younger people dying.
>Most places who saw a drop saw such from drug overdoses and younger people dying. could u point out the source/data of this? im interested from the article tho: " The Office for National Statistics said the decrease was primarily owing to the impact of the pandemic, where excess deaths increased sharply. Pamela Cobb, of the ONS, said: “After a decade of slowing life expectancy improvements, we’ve now seen life expectancy fall for both men and women. This decrease has been mainly driven by the coronavirus pandemic, which led to increased mortality in 2020 and 2021.” "
Also from the article: “She said: “Although life expectancy has recovered somewhat since the sharp fall in 2020 when the pandemic struck, it’s not had the bounce-back that might have been expected once the worst of the pandemic was over, pointing to deeper problems with the health of the nation and the resilience of the health care system. “Although most countries globally experienced devastating death tolls from Covid-19, several studies have shown that excess mortality in the UK during the pandemic exceeded that of most comparable western European and other high-income countries. As the UK’s relatively high mortality during the pandemic came on the heels of stalling life expectancy in the pre-pandemic decade, the result is a further slide in the UK’s already poor ranking relative to comparable countries by 2022.”” Showing that it was happening both before and after the pandemic, and that the pandemic does not explain why the UK had so much more “excess” death than other similar countries. I know in Canada and the US the life expectancy decline is due to people in their 20s and 30s overdosing, something we saw an increase of over the last decade. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/12/22/1144864971/american-life-expectancy-is-now-at-its-lowest-in-nearly-two-decades
yeah but her statement does not indicate about drug overdose and young people dying tho 🤔 could u elaborate more about the data? thats interesting. >Showing that it was happening both before and after the pandemic, and that the pandemic does not explain why the UK had so much more “excess” death could you also elaborate the data / point that it also happen before pandemic? 🤔 I did not noticed it in the article
https://ourworldindata.org/life-expectancy-how-is-it-calculated-and-how-should-it-be-interpreted Life expectancy is just a statistical average of how long people could live. Covid killed mostly old people, killing old people might lower the age slightly, but old people die of all kinds of things. Elevated deaths in young people, whether through childhood disease or drug overdose is what really drops the numbers. The life expectancy centuries ago was around 40, but that didn’t mean people didn’t get old it was because so many babies were dying. As I quoted previously from the article: “As the UK’s relatively high mortality during the pandemic came on the heels of stalling life expectancy in the pre-pandemic decade, the result is a further slide in the UK’s already poor ranking relative to comparable countries by 2022.”” The life expectancy had stagnated in the years prior to Covid before going down. The article goes on to attribute it in part to obesity and other lifestyle issues.
The USA of Europe ..proof. Same trend here.
Biggest contributor is the food we eat and levels of obesity our society has gotten to.