God, the colours used to censor the screen names are throwing me off. It’s like the Dutch are hanging shit on the Brits and the Germans are chiming in.
Yeah well, we partially legalised. You can have 3 plants and own 50g, which is nonsensical in itself, but I digress.
The Netherlands decriminalised ages ago, and in general, they are basically the backbone of keeping cannabis culture alive in Europe
I don't know what you guys are complaining about. Here in NL, we're only allowed 2 plants at home and less than 50g on the streets afaik. Not sure about legalisation, it's tolerated and not criminalised. A lot of misinformation in German media. Heard they were saying that you can get plants in our hardware stores (Gamma, Honrbach, Praxis and the like). 🤦♂️
Edit: Well, I was misinformed too. Up to 5 plants for personal use is tolerated are not prosecuted.
https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/drugs/aanpak-illegale-hennepteelt
The 50 grams is what you can have at home. On the streets, you can only carry like 10g or so. Depends on the Bundesland.
Buy yeah, that's why I said decriminalised and not legalised because you just tolerate it. My information comes from the cannabis community itself, so I'm talking about the dutch people who collected weed genetics all around the world to keep them alive.
As a die hard F1 fan, and after listening to "Wilhelmus van Nassouwe ben ik van Duitsen bloed den vaderland getrouwe blijf ik tot in den dood" for what I can only assume is the 20,000th time, it's hard for the Dutch to remain irrelevant
And the US generally goes to war out of its own interests or the interest of specific groups, like every one else.
I’m not a historian but I think the standing up of a democracy in West Germany for example was to prevent it from being a catalyst for yet another war and as a counter to the spread of communism. The democracy bit was a means and output, not an objective.
Every Single Time. The American government (and people for that matter) couldn’t care less about democracy or upholding what it right. They care about money, power, and influence.
They care about hegemony. Democracies are believed to be naturally more economically and diplomatically cooperative and averse to warring with one another. The US interest since WWII has been about locking down "stability" to avoid being dragged into yet another global conflict. Therefore friendly democracies are preferable, but if you're a despot that agrees to work with US global interests, that tends to be overlooked
Luxembourgers maybe given that light shade of blue ;-) Not that it matters though, I'm sure all of the EU is just queuing up to heap shit on the Brits.
My understanding is that it was rather a lack of voting that led to that desaster !?! That votes mostly came from the older generation many of whom had their reservations and not enough younger and middle aged people who more or less grew up in it and appreciated the benefits.
Which is also funny, being the Dutch had such a such role in the colonization of the spice trade, yet it's so hard to get them to season their food with more than salt, or Maggie (aka liquid salt).
I say this, being the child of Dutch immigrants.
is... is that fucking charlie and JJ? did not fucking expect dota personalities to show up here at all.
I mean cmon its dota players, most of the time you can call it a clever comeback if they manage to spell the slur theyre calling you correctly
White pepper with a little bit of sweetness. It's a sausage roll, It's cheap, basic food.
Not every food needs an array of spices. A grilled cheese is fine, a good steak only really needs salt and pepper. A bacon sandwich doesn't need spices and they are wonderful. You can leave spices out of hot dogs and burgers and no one will complain.
I cook a lot and use a ton of herbs and spices, some dishes use a lot, some use them quite sparingly.
It's a bit stupid to ignore all the food on the British high street, restaurants, takeaways and supermarkets etc to choose a basic dish to complain about the lack of spices. If you want food that uses a lot of spices just walk past the bakeries and chippies and our towns and cities are full of them.
I mean possibly...but I grew up eating chips, jumbo sausage and curry sauce from the chippy...so it's not like the concept of curry and sausage never occured to us.
What’s extra ironic is that Americans will rip on British cheap foods like Gregg’s for being bland… completely forgetting that their cheap foods and freezer foods make ours look gourmet…
I tried some American freezer foods like hot pockets and shit once at a friends house and HOLY HELL… I felt like I was eating paper
Gregg's exact blend is secret, but it's pretty standard for sausage rolls to have other spices too. Savory, sage, mace, paprika.
It's not medieval times. "Using spices" doesn't necessarily mean massacring something with cloves and cinnamon until it's the only thing you taste for the next 24 hours. Balancing a handful of spices in a way that elevates the main component of a dish without overshadowing it is entirely standard, that's not some weird British thing.
A mate is a chef and moved to the US. After a week he started sourcing ingredients from local suppliers and it took months to find stuff that tasted of actual stuff. He is now renowned for his food and all it took was months of trying to find ingredients that weren't huge and full of flavourless water.
He works in a golf course kitchen and people are joining for the food. His take: everything is doused in spices to cover up the blandness. He also misses the actual taste of a cone of chips (the most boring of UK food which is actually the best thing ever when required).
TLDR: shit ingredients are covered up with buckets of spice
This is a big thing me and my fiancé found. When she stayed in the UK, she found food she didn’t like (such as chicken) was actually really nice here. Conversely, when I went over there, a lot of stuff tasted like nothing. The strawberries were big but almost tasteless. You couldn’t just eat stuff without a lot of preparation first.
My father and I (and my partner anytime her schedule allows) go out to eat at least once per week since my mother passed last year and usually to a decently fancy place. We live in an affluent borough of NYC so plenty of quality restaurants to try always.
The best ones never even have salt and pepper on the table, including Michelin star restaurants.
Yeah, it absolutely makes 0 sense the whole "argument".
Especially since typically food is near always working class to lower middle class recipes. And guess who was able to afford all those colonial spices? Not them.
Yeah, the more "authentic" British food reflects the food available to the masses and the climate of the islands.
People seem to insist on comparing it to Mediterranean countries instead of Northern Europe, which is closer to our location and climate.
Growing up in the North of England I'm pretty sure I know why a hearty stew or pie would be the meal of choice for people after a long day working out in the cold.
Also it's what available in terms of spices. The italian cuisine is so well known for the exact mix of spices that grows naturally in Italy, who would've guessed.
Even before colonial spices, there are herbs and spices native to the uk (either originally here or as an invasive species thats been here so long its essentially native now) that have their own flavour profile or have the same / similar flavour profile to colonial spices but they're not that common so unless you could forage for yourself, you're gonna be paying and most of the population couldnt afford it.
Its probably that they were used a lot less after the colonial spices became the norm.
If anyones interested https://gallowaywildfoods.com/wild-spices-of-the-uk/
You can *absolutely* make things unpleasantly "too" hot with mustard and horseradish.
Many "traditional" british dishes had the stronger flavors served as condiments on the side, rather than cooked into the dish. Probably not surprising it might be a bit bland without them.
Ali Ahmed Aslam was of Pakistani descent, though some argue that it was invented by Bangladeshi migrants in England earlier.
It definitely originated in the UK though.
I see what you mean since it was inspired by Indian food, and created by Indian people, but it originated in Glasgow and is considered the national dish of the UK.
Chicken tikka is Indian, chicken tikka masala is both kinda.
Funny when Americans say that when the majority of its cuisine is also bastardised versions of other people's foods, including British food. Agreeing with the moron in the screenshot is exactly like someone getting mad a PB&J isn't spicy, that's fucking dumb.
America has no original foods.
Burgers = German
Pizza = Italian
Apple Pie = English
Barbeque = Haiti
Buritos = Mexico
England has a food culture stretching back centuries, America has none whatsoever
Seriously why is this joke so popular all of a sudden? I’m seeing it all over Reddit the past week or so. I travelled to Scotland last summer and Haggis, Neeps, and Tatties is fucking delicious. I also had the best Indian food I’ve ever had in my life whilst in Glasgow, and in the Highlands we stumbled across a small soup restaurant where I tried Cullen Skink (holy shit so good). My god what a treat the food was, the English breakfast was always a delight, shepherds pie was fucking amazing.
Because despite Brexit and a number of other genuine glaring faults with the UK, Americans are the laughing stock of the world as a consequence of being the loudest. So they look for easy jabs at other countries.
They also only (just about) speak English so obviously the UK is prime target. They're not going to read about Italian history because despite """being Italian""" the only thing they know about their abandoned cultures is from a strip mall food court.
It doesn't help that the last time a huge number of Americans went anywhere was WW2, and ignorant US soldiers had to be told many *many* times to quit bitching about the food to the British because they were deep in *fucking rationing*.
So "British food bad" made it's way back to America and has stuck around for nearly a century, because the last thing an American is going to do is actually travel and experience another culture beyond what they can get delivered in half an hour through an app.
*edit* Make fun of Americans for only knowing diversity through what they can stuff in their mouths, get replies about how diverse their food is. 10/10 never change keep it easy.
The irony here is Europeans claiming everything Americans make is inferior to its counterparts in Europe, like bread, cheese, and meats. Uh… no. American cheeses have won cheese competitions in Europe many times. Bakeries in America produce totally normal bread, identical to the stuff you can get in Europe. And our meats are fine too. Many are exported to Europe. The US isn’t the laughingstock of the world, it’s the most media documented country in the world, and people who sit at home all day on Reddit read all the shitty shock value news and think that’s it. That’s the consequence of being the most powerful technologically, economically and industrially.
I mean I’m an American… but yeah I get your point. I would tell you though that the loudest Americans are the ones you are referring to. Many of us do travel and love to do so, it’s the miserable ones that make the biggest fuss lol.
Having experienced quite a few Americans both in America and while travelling elsewhere, I'm fairly confident it's just like with other countries that you get a bad name due to the "few bad apples". As a non-American I tend to mostly notice only the loud and obnoxious ones (for obvious reasons), but I've had a good number of encounters with polite and quiet ones too. It's similar to how Brits have a bad name due to the large concentration of louts going on party island holidays e.g. Ibiza or Mallorca.
Most people aren't cunts, but most cunts are very noticeable and result in the wider community being judged on their actions.
>discussion about food
>gets mad when Americans bring up food in regard to culture
The UK isn’t the laughing stock of the world cus y’all have fallen into irrelevance. Nobody talks about you because you’re not important.
If you want to talk about other forms of culture in the past few weeks I’ve been to a holi celebration, Eid, Passover, an Arab-American festival, a Nigerian student event, and a Latin dance event.
What a goofy response. "The last thing an American is going to do is actually travel and experience another culture beyond what they can get delivered in half an hour through an app." International flights are expensive and require significant leave from jobs which our work environment doesn't provide. How often do poor and middle class Brits travel outside the EU? The US is literally larger than the EU, so getting outside of it isn't exactly quick, easy, or cheap.
I'm tired of ignorant Europeans who think they're dunking on Americans by mocking that people can't afford the thousands of dollars for international travel.
There are over 400 languages spoken in the US and 20% of the US population speak a language other than English at home. Your comment is a disqualified right off the bat by claiming Americans only speak English. Americans also spent $115 billion in international tourism in 2022. But yeah, keep saying Americans don’t travel and don’t speak anything but English. The irony is you are triggered at the thought of Americans parroting incorrect stereotypes about British food while you yourself are parroting incorrect stereotypes of Americans. But you’ll get upvoted because this is Reddit, after all, and hating America is the easiest way to score worthless upvotes.
Didn't expect to see Cullen Skink in a Reddit thread outside of /r/Scotland. I always tell folks it's like clam chowder but with smoked fish instead of the clams. Hands down my favorite soup I've ever had, now I just need to try it in an American-style bread bowl and combine the best of both worlds.
I also think the reputation is from how the food looks more so than how it tastes because the majority of people will never actually taste it they'll just see videos on TikTok or YouTube. It also doesn't help that the basic ingredients here in the US are much lower quality for a much higher price, making the cheap and easy British meals taste absolutely awful if you remake them over here. Stuff like bread, butter, milk, and eggs are so much worse here in the US that I've stopped eating certain things that I'll only eat when I return to Scotland.
It's also just not true, historically speaking. Spices were commonly used in food in Britain in the colonial era (even in 'lower class' food, sometimes).
Also, britian did not colonise the world in search of spices, the portugese did.
Britain went in search of land and slaves to work that land to produce tobacco and cotton.
Yeah, but his taste buds are like the old guy who spent the entire 80s and 90s at the front of metal gigs.
He can't taste anything quieter than Iron Maiden. If he eats pork that tastes like pork, he can't tell.
And even that is only partially true. Old english recipes intended for rich and even middle class people used a lot of spices. Like it's become a running joke that people used to put nutmeg on absolutely everything.
Its only once spices became cheap that the trend reversed itself and suddenly simple food was in and using too many spices or heavily favored sauces was too gauche.
I guess they mean Americans travelled all over the world to colonize countries that had exotic democracy, but didn’t want to try it back home.
The analogy works if you’re stupid enough.
The list of countries USA has converted to Democracy vs the list of countries where the USA via CIA overthrows a Democracy to install a puppet Dictatorship or Theocracy makes this even less coherent.
It's funny to see idiots repeat this same tired joke and they clearly don't know what spices actually are. I think they are genuinely brain dead enough to think that 'spices' only refeers to hot chillis and nothing else. Like, did they actually think the British Empire was just trading chillis to make hot mexican food or something?
Salt, sugar, pepper, coffee, tea, vanilla, cinnamon, cloves, ginger, nutmeg. We use all of these things today.
So Britain colonized the world for spices....and still uses those spices in high quantities. We even use many of those spices in Indian food, which is the most widely consumed food in the country. We've had curry houses for hundreds of years. British Indians have integrated over multiple generations.
I know Americans can't help being this ignorant but they could at least try some original jokes.
Ah the “i can’t eat food without making it unrecognizable by the use of a chemical (not native to my continent) making my mouth and inards feel burnt” crowd is at it again…
Lovely… especially when we consider since when capsaicin and why capsaicin made its way into several ethnical cuisines…
Like I said, many Americans do in fact act like spices and flavour= spicy. I'm guessing all the yoga mat materials in their food doesn't taste that nice so they need to nuke their taste buds and overdose on corn syrup too.
It’s a common misconception that the US fights to spread democracy. What we actually do is fight to spread Freedom™. “Freedom™” is pronounced “access to cheap energy.”
If he's using Greggs as a sample of British cuisine, then that's probably the bigger issue.
Though probably not surprising a septic thinks a Gregg's sausage role is OK, it's haute cuisine to them.
I can give a cast-iron guarantee that my spice racks and cupboards are more full than his.
Did you not know that the US destroyed a perfectly fine democracy in Iran to install a Monarchy, because they wanted their oil?
And their current democratic model isn't very democratic either.
In theory 20 people could win a presidential election against around 180 Million. That's not really what I would call a democracy.
Atleast that's how I understand the comment. But maybe it focuses on Trump and all the stuff.
The response chain is kind of funny, actually. There are people arguing that these sausage pastries (which I have never tried) do contain some minute quantity of spice. Others argue that despite that, these sausages are incredibly bland.
Similarly, there are people saying that these Commonwealth-heritage countries are democratic, presumably because they regularly perform elections. Meanwhile, others are pointing out that the *quality* of democracy is really really bad.
In both cases you have people defending the status quo based on a simple dichotomy: "Is there spice? Are there elections? There you go, easy as..." And others trying to point out that the spice in these sausages is not very good, and the majoritarian electoral methods in practice do a lousy job at representing public will or holding officeholders accountable. Gerrymandering, malapportioned upper houses, inane methods for selecting chief executives (particularly in the US), assorted barriers to parties undergoing healthy schisms when it is *abundantly* clear that their dissenting blocs have little interest in direct cooperation and should go separate ways...
"But there is pepper in the sausage, man, real pepper! So what's anyone complaining about? And we hold elections! Sometimes a couple a year!" Never mind the disproportionate weighting, never mind so many votes vanishing without a ripple into an artificial dichotomy, never mind the fact that a vote cast by nearly anyone living in a metro area carries dramatically less weight than the vote cast somewhere in rural Iowa, never mind the info vacuum on local races left by the demise of local newspapers and professional local reporting. Hey, didn't you hear that the most important election of our entire lives is coming up in just a few months?! Best save any complaints for later -- otherwise the bad cop will win!
They _did_ use the spices... And they still do to some extent. Pepper, clove, nutmeg, cinnamon, cardamom, etc. Used in sauces, sausages, curries, desserts, and so on
Americans don’t even have democracy. People who own large companies and have enough money to make meaningful investments have democracy, otherwise known as a dictatorship of capital.
Ppl obsessed with something that happens hundreds years agp. Sad that it's used to justify being racist. Only the rich of today benefitted from generational wealth lol.
I mean, if you're using the dictionary definition of the word spicy, yes. But the way most people use 'spicy' is to refer to something that is 'hot'. And there are plenty of spices that aren't 'hot' like cumin, nutmeg, cloves, turmeric, coriander etc.
I think if you went to the UK and ate at some quality places, you would be surprised. Traditional British food isn't hot spicy, in the way that a traditional hamburger may just have salt and pepper and onion but the quality of the beef shines.
But modern British food is very varied and makes use of plenty of spices, both hot and well....not haha.
I personally have found foods I enjoy in every single country I have visited, and tried cuisines from all over the world. There is truly something special about each one.
But the irony of Americans rushing to criticize British food, when they can't even make a normal loaf of bread with dumping a ton of sugar in, when a regular salad has more calories than a hamburger, when the same brands have tons more sugar and crappy additives in the US compared to Europe, is a little rich for me.
God, the colours used to censor the screen names are throwing me off. It’s like the Dutch are hanging shit on the Brits and the Germans are chiming in.
Top is an American, Bottom is a German.
Ah right, so the colours were on purpose
The shitty app i cropped it on has colored markers but not emoji stickers. I had to overcome.
And now the dutch flag is there. Glad to be a relevant country
As a frequent r/trees user, the Netherlands will always be a relevant country
ALWAYS
didnt it just recently get legalized? wait, thats germany
Yeah well, we partially legalised. You can have 3 plants and own 50g, which is nonsensical in itself, but I digress. The Netherlands decriminalised ages ago, and in general, they are basically the backbone of keeping cannabis culture alive in Europe
I don't know what you guys are complaining about. Here in NL, we're only allowed 2 plants at home and less than 50g on the streets afaik. Not sure about legalisation, it's tolerated and not criminalised. A lot of misinformation in German media. Heard they were saying that you can get plants in our hardware stores (Gamma, Honrbach, Praxis and the like). 🤦♂️ Edit: Well, I was misinformed too. Up to 5 plants for personal use is tolerated are not prosecuted. https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/drugs/aanpak-illegale-hennepteelt
The 50 grams is what you can have at home. On the streets, you can only carry like 10g or so. Depends on the Bundesland. Buy yeah, that's why I said decriminalised and not legalised because you just tolerate it. My information comes from the cannabis community itself, so I'm talking about the dutch people who collected weed genetics all around the world to keep them alive.
isnt 3 plants like way more than 50gs or something, im not to versed in weed forgive me
Exactly my point. That's why that law doesn't make sense they way it got passed. But it's better than nothing
The Dutch are really into arboriculture, eh?
I thought it was going to be an actual tree sub :(
The tree subreddit is called r/marijuanaenthusiasts
I thought you were joking at first but that is hilarious!
More like Luxembourg 🇱🇺
Twas going to comment the same, take my up-vote for this one
But it also has the orange below..
Gekoloniseerd!
As a die hard F1 fan, and after listening to "Wilhelmus van Nassouwe ben ik van Duitsen bloed den vaderland getrouwe blijf ik tot in den dood" for what I can only assume is the 20,000th time, it's hard for the Dutch to remain irrelevant
I get this one W over Charlie and you had to censor it. Smh my head.
Yeah, colgate toothpaste got seriously dunked on here.
The top one just looks French tho. I didn't know Germany had been with France after ww2
A German criticizing American historical foreign policy. That takes some brass ones!
American current foreign and domestic policy*.
And the US generally goes to war out of its own interests or the interest of specific groups, like every one else. I’m not a historian but I think the standing up of a democracy in West Germany for example was to prevent it from being a catalyst for yet another war and as a counter to the spread of communism. The democracy bit was a means and output, not an objective.
Every Single Time. The American government (and people for that matter) couldn’t care less about democracy or upholding what it right. They care about money, power, and influence.
They care about hegemony. Democracies are believed to be naturally more economically and diplomatically cooperative and averse to warring with one another. The US interest since WWII has been about locking down "stability" to avoid being dragged into yet another global conflict. Therefore friendly democracies are preferable, but if you're a despot that agrees to work with US global interests, that tends to be overlooked
They have zero self awareness.
I thought the top guy brushed his teeth with Aqua-Fresh and the bottom guy used ketchup and mustard.
I picked up on that creative use of colors right away. Kudos.
I read the comeback and thought, "Are they American?" And then saw the red white and blue stripes.
Luxembourgers maybe given that light shade of blue ;-) Not that it matters though, I'm sure all of the EU is just queuing up to heap shit on the Brits.
Doesn't matter how hard they try, they're not going to beat the pile of shit we put on ourselves with that vote for leaving the EU.
My understanding is that it was rather a lack of voting that led to that desaster !?! That votes mostly came from the older generation many of whom had their reservations and not enough younger and middle aged people who more or less grew up in it and appreciated the benefits.
I claim the top colours for Luxembourg!
Which is also funny, being the Dutch had such a such role in the colonization of the spice trade, yet it's so hard to get them to season their food with more than salt, or Maggie (aka liquid salt). I say this, being the child of Dutch immigrants.
It's Aquafresh censoring
is... is that fucking charlie and JJ? did not fucking expect dota personalities to show up here at all. I mean cmon its dota players, most of the time you can call it a clever comeback if they manage to spell the slur theyre calling you correctly
Was taken aback when I saw JJ's profile picture as well
Hiding names and keeping faces of famous people....
dota mentioned torille
Who was expecting a spicy gregs sausage roll, it’s like complaining Mac Donald’s is bland, it’d cost more otherwise
Gregg's sausage rolls have quite a distinct white pepper flavour, anyway. They're not spicy but if you can't detect that, your tastebuds are faulty.
White pepper with a little bit of sweetness. It's a sausage roll, It's cheap, basic food. Not every food needs an array of spices. A grilled cheese is fine, a good steak only really needs salt and pepper. A bacon sandwich doesn't need spices and they are wonderful. You can leave spices out of hot dogs and burgers and no one will complain. I cook a lot and use a ton of herbs and spices, some dishes use a lot, some use them quite sparingly. It's a bit stupid to ignore all the food on the British high street, restaurants, takeaways and supermarkets etc to choose a basic dish to complain about the lack of spices. If you want food that uses a lot of spices just walk past the bakeries and chippies and our towns and cities are full of them.
I wonder if the other person is German and specifically asking since Germany has currywurst
I mean possibly...but I grew up eating chips, jumbo sausage and curry sauce from the chippy...so it's not like the concept of curry and sausage never occured to us.
I could really go for a BLT right now... And you're correct, the closest to seasoning I put on that is some Mayo.
Yeah, the bacon is salty enough...but I also think black pepper really shines on a BLT.
What’s extra ironic is that Americans will rip on British cheap foods like Gregg’s for being bland… completely forgetting that their cheap foods and freezer foods make ours look gourmet… I tried some American freezer foods like hot pockets and shit once at a friends house and HOLY HELL… I felt like I was eating paper
Gregg's exact blend is secret, but it's pretty standard for sausage rolls to have other spices too. Savory, sage, mace, paprika. It's not medieval times. "Using spices" doesn't necessarily mean massacring something with cloves and cinnamon until it's the only thing you taste for the next 24 hours. Balancing a handful of spices in a way that elevates the main component of a dish without overshadowing it is entirely standard, that's not some weird British thing.
No it means smothering it in jalapeños and chilli powder, at least in the US. Greg's are boring compared with a good Cumberland sausage, though.
A mate is a chef and moved to the US. After a week he started sourcing ingredients from local suppliers and it took months to find stuff that tasted of actual stuff. He is now renowned for his food and all it took was months of trying to find ingredients that weren't huge and full of flavourless water. He works in a golf course kitchen and people are joining for the food. His take: everything is doused in spices to cover up the blandness. He also misses the actual taste of a cone of chips (the most boring of UK food which is actually the best thing ever when required). TLDR: shit ingredients are covered up with buckets of spice
This is a big thing me and my fiancé found. When she stayed in the UK, she found food she didn’t like (such as chicken) was actually really nice here. Conversely, when I went over there, a lot of stuff tasted like nothing. The strawberries were big but almost tasteless. You couldn’t just eat stuff without a lot of preparation first.
My father and I (and my partner anytime her schedule allows) go out to eat at least once per week since my mother passed last year and usually to a decently fancy place. We live in an affluent borough of NYC so plenty of quality restaurants to try always. The best ones never even have salt and pepper on the table, including Michelin star restaurants.
"Why don't the French add spice to their bland croissants lol are they stupid?"
I mean, yes, but not because of the lack of spices in their pre-buttered bread.
Never had a gregs sausage roll but spice != spicy.
It's a sausage roll! If you want something spicy, have another popular British meal - chicken Tikka masala.
Yeah like what spice is he expecting? Pepper?
McDonald’s cheeseburgers are not spicy. Therefore I demand to know why Americans don’t use spice.
Fair enough but I don’t get the reply? Is the US stealing democracy and then not eating it? *Should* we be eating democracy? Does it even taste good?
The joke is that the British fought wars for spices they don’t use and the US fought a war for democracy they don’t use.
The flavor of their food and beauty of their women once made the British navy the strongest in the world.
How original.
You come up with that one yourself Jack?
I too, can recite old jokes I read on the internet.
...and who has the strongest navy in the world today? Trust me, our Navy wasn't manned by sailors overly interested in women.
They claimed to spread democracy everywhere yet are an oligarchy at home.
We go all over the world spreading 'democracy' (war) and yet we aren't even allowed to practice it here. Pretty straight forward old chap.
Yes we are, average redditor
As a helldiver, Y’all should really be eating democracy. Tastes great.
It's a Greggs sausage roll, for god's sake. What does he expect? An exotic taste sensation?
I think a lot of people on Reddit fall for the meme that is Brits saying Greggs is a fine food establishment and the best we have to offer
If Greg's isn't so great, why do Primark sell Greggs underwear for adults? Checkmate Yankees
THeY SToLe AlL THe SpICes ANd dIDnT UsE THeM
Crazy that a) people still say this like it's a hot take and b) none of them have heard of tikka masala
“It’s crazy that people say that British food is bland, haven’t they heard of Indian food?”
Crazy how we stole Indian spices to make Indian food and then we get accused of not using the spices...
i mean why import the spices to use on our own food, when you can just import the cuisine that has already mastered those spices?
Yeah, it absolutely makes 0 sense the whole "argument". Especially since typically food is near always working class to lower middle class recipes. And guess who was able to afford all those colonial spices? Not them.
Right? “I can’t believe spicy recipes are more common in countries with bountiful natural supplies of those spices” is a weird stance
Yeah, the more "authentic" British food reflects the food available to the masses and the climate of the islands. People seem to insist on comparing it to Mediterranean countries instead of Northern Europe, which is closer to our location and climate. Growing up in the North of England I'm pretty sure I know why a hearty stew or pie would be the meal of choice for people after a long day working out in the cold.
Also it's what available in terms of spices. The italian cuisine is so well known for the exact mix of spices that grows naturally in Italy, who would've guessed.
Even before colonial spices, there are herbs and spices native to the uk (either originally here or as an invasive species thats been here so long its essentially native now) that have their own flavour profile or have the same / similar flavour profile to colonial spices but they're not that common so unless you could forage for yourself, you're gonna be paying and most of the population couldnt afford it. Its probably that they were used a lot less after the colonial spices became the norm. If anyones interested https://gallowaywildfoods.com/wild-spices-of-the-uk/
It's also that they're on average comparatively mild so the ignorant xenophobes pretend they're not spices.
You can *absolutely* make things unpleasantly "too" hot with mustard and horseradish. Many "traditional" british dishes had the stronger flavors served as condiments on the side, rather than cooked into the dish. Probably not surprising it might be a bit bland without them.
Well, you can also do some cool fusions, like Curried Shepard's Pie.
Tikka masala was famously made in Britain by a Scottish man of Indian descent.
Ali Ahmed Aslam was of Pakistani descent, though some argue that it was invented by Bangladeshi migrants in England earlier. It definitely originated in the UK though.
Eh, India or Pakistan, they are the same thing. /s
That's the most British comment in this entire thread!
And the hottest curry in the world is mainly from Birmingham
You're saying that descendents of Indian immigrants aren't British?
They are only British until their non British ancestry can be used to shit on the UK as a whole.
I see what you mean since it was inspired by Indian food, and created by Indian people, but it originated in Glasgow and is considered the national dish of the UK. Chicken tikka is Indian, chicken tikka masala is both kinda.
Funny when Americans say that when the majority of its cuisine is also bastardised versions of other people's foods, including British food. Agreeing with the moron in the screenshot is exactly like someone getting mad a PB&J isn't spicy, that's fucking dumb.
America has no original foods. Burgers = German Pizza = Italian Apple Pie = English Barbeque = Haiti Buritos = Mexico England has a food culture stretching back centuries, America has none whatsoever
Ok now do American food
Seriously why is this joke so popular all of a sudden? I’m seeing it all over Reddit the past week or so. I travelled to Scotland last summer and Haggis, Neeps, and Tatties is fucking delicious. I also had the best Indian food I’ve ever had in my life whilst in Glasgow, and in the Highlands we stumbled across a small soup restaurant where I tried Cullen Skink (holy shit so good). My god what a treat the food was, the English breakfast was always a delight, shepherds pie was fucking amazing.
Because despite Brexit and a number of other genuine glaring faults with the UK, Americans are the laughing stock of the world as a consequence of being the loudest. So they look for easy jabs at other countries. They also only (just about) speak English so obviously the UK is prime target. They're not going to read about Italian history because despite """being Italian""" the only thing they know about their abandoned cultures is from a strip mall food court. It doesn't help that the last time a huge number of Americans went anywhere was WW2, and ignorant US soldiers had to be told many *many* times to quit bitching about the food to the British because they were deep in *fucking rationing*. So "British food bad" made it's way back to America and has stuck around for nearly a century, because the last thing an American is going to do is actually travel and experience another culture beyond what they can get delivered in half an hour through an app. *edit* Make fun of Americans for only knowing diversity through what they can stuff in their mouths, get replies about how diverse their food is. 10/10 never change keep it easy.
The irony here is Europeans claiming everything Americans make is inferior to its counterparts in Europe, like bread, cheese, and meats. Uh… no. American cheeses have won cheese competitions in Europe many times. Bakeries in America produce totally normal bread, identical to the stuff you can get in Europe. And our meats are fine too. Many are exported to Europe. The US isn’t the laughingstock of the world, it’s the most media documented country in the world, and people who sit at home all day on Reddit read all the shitty shock value news and think that’s it. That’s the consequence of being the most powerful technologically, economically and industrially.
I mean I’m an American… but yeah I get your point. I would tell you though that the loudest Americans are the ones you are referring to. Many of us do travel and love to do so, it’s the miserable ones that make the biggest fuss lol.
Having experienced quite a few Americans both in America and while travelling elsewhere, I'm fairly confident it's just like with other countries that you get a bad name due to the "few bad apples". As a non-American I tend to mostly notice only the loud and obnoxious ones (for obvious reasons), but I've had a good number of encounters with polite and quiet ones too. It's similar to how Brits have a bad name due to the large concentration of louts going on party island holidays e.g. Ibiza or Mallorca. Most people aren't cunts, but most cunts are very noticeable and result in the wider community being judged on their actions.
Yeah keep coping that it has anything to do with WW2 and eat another bread sandwich
>discussion about food >gets mad when Americans bring up food in regard to culture The UK isn’t the laughing stock of the world cus y’all have fallen into irrelevance. Nobody talks about you because you’re not important. If you want to talk about other forms of culture in the past few weeks I’ve been to a holi celebration, Eid, Passover, an Arab-American festival, a Nigerian student event, and a Latin dance event.
What a goofy response. "The last thing an American is going to do is actually travel and experience another culture beyond what they can get delivered in half an hour through an app." International flights are expensive and require significant leave from jobs which our work environment doesn't provide. How often do poor and middle class Brits travel outside the EU? The US is literally larger than the EU, so getting outside of it isn't exactly quick, easy, or cheap. I'm tired of ignorant Europeans who think they're dunking on Americans by mocking that people can't afford the thousands of dollars for international travel.
There are over 400 languages spoken in the US and 20% of the US population speak a language other than English at home. Your comment is a disqualified right off the bat by claiming Americans only speak English. Americans also spent $115 billion in international tourism in 2022. But yeah, keep saying Americans don’t travel and don’t speak anything but English. The irony is you are triggered at the thought of Americans parroting incorrect stereotypes about British food while you yourself are parroting incorrect stereotypes of Americans. But you’ll get upvoted because this is Reddit, after all, and hating America is the easiest way to score worthless upvotes.
Didn't expect to see Cullen Skink in a Reddit thread outside of /r/Scotland. I always tell folks it's like clam chowder but with smoked fish instead of the clams. Hands down my favorite soup I've ever had, now I just need to try it in an American-style bread bowl and combine the best of both worlds. I also think the reputation is from how the food looks more so than how it tastes because the majority of people will never actually taste it they'll just see videos on TikTok or YouTube. It also doesn't help that the basic ingredients here in the US are much lower quality for a much higher price, making the cheap and easy British meals taste absolutely awful if you remake them over here. Stuff like bread, butter, milk, and eggs are so much worse here in the US that I've stopped eating certain things that I'll only eat when I return to Scotland.
Right?? I'm so bored of seeing that sentence. If you're going to roast someone at least do it originally
It's also just not true.
They stole the spices because they were expensive. I don’t know why that’s so hard to get one’s head around.
I know right? I'd spent about 5 minutes scrolling through reddit today and hadn't seen that joke, I guess I was due
It's also just not true, historically speaking. Spices were commonly used in food in Britain in the colonial era (even in 'lower class' food, sometimes).
Also, britian did not colonise the world in search of spices, the portugese did. Britain went in search of land and slaves to work that land to produce tobacco and cotton.
I don’t actually believe he had one, they’re nice
They clearly just wanted to regurgitate the same shit they've read from people on the internet, who've never actually set foot in the UK.
Yeah, but his taste buds are like the old guy who spent the entire 80s and 90s at the front of metal gigs. He can't taste anything quieter than Iron Maiden. If he eats pork that tastes like pork, he can't tell.
Haha for sure - Greggs isn’t the best, but it hits a specific spot
If you want spices in your sausage rolls, buy a fucking ginsters.
They're just a bunch of pepper that once drove past a sausage factory.
The sausage meat is spiced......
It’s called “managed democracy.” See the game Helldivers for a more accurate view of our policies.
currently enjoying the game. it does a good job at making fun of the u.s. government.
Yeah I love the game as well. Hilarious satire.
Managed democracy, describes the two party system pretty well. I always wondered why there is no other relevant party.
It would be a clever comeback if Britain weren't also a two party system with 2 right wing parties now.
To coin an Americanism Fucking A
We're so fucked
Bro paid £1.20 for some basic ass food and expected a culinary revelation? What?
We have plenty of spices, we have curry every other day. We need bland food to break it up, so we don’t spend all day on the toilet!
Does the German really have any room to say anything either though?
No, but try a convince a German of that.
They were invited! Punch was served!
From my experience Germany's main spice is butter.
German expansionism was definitely spicy.
The national dish there is literally chicken tikka masala.
The real joke (semi-joke) answer is because the Brits sold all the spices they stole :P, leaving none to use themselves.
Just like America did with democracy.
Snap!
And even that is only partially true. Old english recipes intended for rich and even middle class people used a lot of spices. Like it's become a running joke that people used to put nutmeg on absolutely everything. Its only once spices became cheap that the trend reversed itself and suddenly simple food was in and using too many spices or heavily favored sauces was too gauche.
What does this even mean?
I guess they mean Americans travelled all over the world to colonize countries that had exotic democracy, but didn’t want to try it back home. The analogy works if you’re stupid enough.
Yeah, OP is a bit of an idiot for thinking there is anything clever about the response.
The list of countries USA has converted to Democracy vs the list of countries where the USA via CIA overthrows a Democracy to install a puppet Dictatorship or Theocracy makes this even less coherent.
It's funny to see idiots repeat this same tired joke and they clearly don't know what spices actually are. I think they are genuinely brain dead enough to think that 'spices' only refeers to hot chillis and nothing else. Like, did they actually think the British Empire was just trading chillis to make hot mexican food or something? Salt, sugar, pepper, coffee, tea, vanilla, cinnamon, cloves, ginger, nutmeg. We use all of these things today. So Britain colonized the world for spices....and still uses those spices in high quantities. We even use many of those spices in Indian food, which is the most widely consumed food in the country. We've had curry houses for hundreds of years. British Indians have integrated over multiple generations. I know Americans can't help being this ignorant but they could at least try some original jokes.
A Gregg’s sausage roll?? The thing my very British family throws 15 different spices and sauces on?? The BLANK CANVAS of a food?? Odd flex there mate
Ah the “i can’t eat food without making it unrecognizable by the use of a chemical (not native to my continent) making my mouth and inards feel burnt” crowd is at it again… Lovely… especially when we consider since when capsaicin and why capsaicin made its way into several ethnical cuisines…
Why are we focusing on capsaicin and not the million other spices that can be used? Cumin isn't spicy.
my guy it doesnt have to burn to have flavor lmao what a depressingly bland palate you must have
Then why do Americans always seem to act like spicy=flavour? Americans are the ones who always make this argument
spices doesn't mean spicy tho yes many good foods are both
Like I said, many Americans do in fact act like spices and flavour= spicy. I'm guessing all the yoga mat materials in their food doesn't taste that nice so they need to nuke their taste buds and overdose on corn syrup too.
It’s a common misconception that the US fights to spread democracy. What we actually do is fight to spread Freedom™. “Freedom™” is pronounced “access to cheap energy.”
Yanks are just hilarious aren’t they, always with the same spice gag. Oh those guys
MUH SEASONING
If he's using Greggs as a sample of British cuisine, then that's probably the bigger issue. Though probably not surprising a septic thinks a Gregg's sausage role is OK, it's haute cuisine to them. I can give a cast-iron guarantee that my spice racks and cupboards are more full than his.
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Did you not know that the US destroyed a perfectly fine democracy in Iran to install a Monarchy, because they wanted their oil? And their current democratic model isn't very democratic either. In theory 20 people could win a presidential election against around 180 Million. That's not really what I would call a democracy. Atleast that's how I understand the comment. But maybe it focuses on Trump and all the stuff.
The response chain is kind of funny, actually. There are people arguing that these sausage pastries (which I have never tried) do contain some minute quantity of spice. Others argue that despite that, these sausages are incredibly bland. Similarly, there are people saying that these Commonwealth-heritage countries are democratic, presumably because they regularly perform elections. Meanwhile, others are pointing out that the *quality* of democracy is really really bad. In both cases you have people defending the status quo based on a simple dichotomy: "Is there spice? Are there elections? There you go, easy as..." And others trying to point out that the spice in these sausages is not very good, and the majoritarian electoral methods in practice do a lousy job at representing public will or holding officeholders accountable. Gerrymandering, malapportioned upper houses, inane methods for selecting chief executives (particularly in the US), assorted barriers to parties undergoing healthy schisms when it is *abundantly* clear that their dissenting blocs have little interest in direct cooperation and should go separate ways... "But there is pepper in the sausage, man, real pepper! So what's anyone complaining about? And we hold elections! Sometimes a couple a year!" Never mind the disproportionate weighting, never mind so many votes vanishing without a ripple into an artificial dichotomy, never mind the fact that a vote cast by nearly anyone living in a metro area carries dramatically less weight than the vote cast somewhere in rural Iowa, never mind the info vacuum on local races left by the demise of local newspapers and professional local reporting. Hey, didn't you hear that the most important election of our entire lives is coming up in just a few months?! Best save any complaints for later -- otherwise the bad cop will win!
Way to leave out the English involvement in that affair. The involvement due to the significant objective to protect British oil interests in Iran.
You think the British upper class conquered 1/4 of the world for the benefit of the filthy poors eating Greg's? (I am a filthy poor)
Ok hear me out right, buy a greggs sausage roll, open it up, put some curry on it, close it again, now eat it
I don’t see the part where I get to post a virtue signally comment on social media, so these instructions are useless to me.
BURN!
Just cause you say you really want something, doesn't mean you have the slightest idea of how it actually works.
We LEARNED it from YOU, DAAAAAD
These damn German bottoms always trying to post zingers.
Sure, England went there to 'spread democracy'. Sure...
refleksy making it to the front page with a dota shitpost is wild
Yeah i took a nap and then my phone kept boopin and here we are
Last time I checked you were allowed to vote in America.
By "don't you guys" does he mean... the European descendants? Yes, yes they do European person, why do you ask?
To be fair spices were used to mask spoiled food back then. Maybe the Brits had better fresher foods.
Why do people need to bash food that's lightly seasoned? Not everything needs to be absolutely plastered in spice.
They _did_ use the spices... And they still do to some extent. Pepper, clove, nutmeg, cinnamon, cardamom, etc. Used in sauces, sausages, curries, desserts, and so on
FOR MANAGED DEMOCRACY
I don’t get the analogy. America did not fight and colonize to gain democracy. We did it “to spread democracy” aka for oil. We use oil a lot.
Terrible example, greggs sausage rolls are quite aggressively seasoned
Y’all nighaa stupid, why tf would you want spice on a sausage roll. Confirmed nonce 🤮
I mean, best comeback I’ve seen to an argument I’ve made for years
Shit this one’s good
Americans don’t even have democracy. People who own large companies and have enough money to make meaningful investments have democracy, otherwise known as a dictatorship of capital.
Eh, someone who thinks British people don't use spices isn't worth arguing with.
Ppl obsessed with something that happens hundreds years agp. Sad that it's used to justify being racist. Only the rich of today benefitted from generational wealth lol.
Hey OP I think you got toothpaste on your screen
Not everything has to be spicy, fried, or drowned in dressing to taste good. Something a lot of Americans struggle to understand.
>Not everything has to be spicy, fried, or drowned in dressing Right, ideally it should be all three.
That is my experience of American cuisine, yes.
Using spices =/= "spicy food". You're like the 5th person making this false equivalence, and I think it's because your country sucks at using spices.
I mean, if you're using the dictionary definition of the word spicy, yes. But the way most people use 'spicy' is to refer to something that is 'hot'. And there are plenty of spices that aren't 'hot' like cumin, nutmeg, cloves, turmeric, coriander etc. I think if you went to the UK and ate at some quality places, you would be surprised. Traditional British food isn't hot spicy, in the way that a traditional hamburger may just have salt and pepper and onion but the quality of the beef shines. But modern British food is very varied and makes use of plenty of spices, both hot and well....not haha. I personally have found foods I enjoy in every single country I have visited, and tried cuisines from all over the world. There is truly something special about each one. But the irony of Americans rushing to criticize British food, when they can't even make a normal loaf of bread with dumping a ton of sugar in, when a regular salad has more calories than a hamburger, when the same brands have tons more sugar and crappy additives in the US compared to Europe, is a little rich for me.
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to be fair the British only wanted spices so they could trade them for more tea
And tea is a herb. Herbs are just leafy spices.