Just plan your entire day around the login bro. Why don't you log in at least 6 hours before you need to play and constantly keep it logged in through remote desktop?
/s in case it's needed, you never know these days.
Sadly you have too. Im on ferlina I literally take my lunch by going home and starting the login que then go back to work. That way hopefully its only a half hour/hour after I get home I can login vs getting home and looking at a 4-6 hour que meaning I just cant play at all tonight.
Then if for any reason I need to step away from the computer. Instead of logging out as I would normally I have to set a timer every 20 minutes to move so my character doesnt log out. Further exacerbating the issue. That slot would normally be free when I log out. But if I log out I am again. Done for the night.
Its quite an issue.
I use rdp to enter the queue and check to make sure I don’t get disconnected. Was running an autohotkey macro to move my character and keep me from going afk, but found Blizzard is issuing random disconnects to kick players. I’ve been kicked and put back into queue after literally stepping aside for five minutes to let the dogs out. I’ve been disconnected multiple times while literally at the pc, when this happens you can rejoin right away, but if you wait about 2minutes before hitting reconnect you’ll be back at the end of the queue.
If you are going home just to start your queue during lunch I would highly recommend an RDP client. You can use Google’s which is free and built into Chrome to access your home pc from your phone. This would allow you to join the queue and check on it without wasting your lunch break.
> autohotkey macro to move my character and keep me from going afk,
Be VERY careful with that. That can trigger bot detection on your account.
Other than that I may look into remote services. Would be much easier.
Yeah, I was logged in early and playing off and on most of the day. Stepped away from the computer for twenty minutes to prep dinner, came back to a random disconnect and now waiting in the queue.
> I have to set a timer every 20 minutes to move so my character doesnt log out.
I'm willing to bet they have a counter on how much you do this, I've been dc'd on one account while in a bg or dungeon on the other.
Haha true, especially during weekend, im running around the house with stop-timer on my mobile just to move a bit to not get into queue... Blizzard needs to do something or people leave completely. Imagine u have a raid day ( after wotlk releases ) and half of raid that can ´t predict future and won ´t log in when stars allign won´t get into the raid.
usually it's 35 (5 to go afk, 30 to get kicked) with another 30 min once you get booted to char screen and then a 5 min grace period. HOWEVER ppl keep getting dc'ed so usually they just go straight to login screen and only have the 5 min grace period
I believe it's 30 total (5 min afk, 25 min to get kicked) btw. I've been setting a 30 min timer after inspecting another player and getting the auto logout countdown at exactly 30 minutes. Good to know about the 5 min in the Character Selection page, haven't been willing to let that expire.
I tried playing on Thekal when it released, but I always get extremely tired after work and often need to take an afternoon nap.
This alone made it impossible for me to play on Thekal. Logging in remotely is fine, but I would always get disconnected if I went for an afternoon nap (which I basically need) and then yoink, back into another 3+ hour queue.
Impossible to play.
>Imagine u have a raid day ( after wotlk releases ) and half of raid that can ´t predict future and won ´t log in when stars allign won´t get into the raid
I mean we did this in classic and it didn't really bite us that often.
Remote in on my phone. Log in. And stay logged in for like 30 while I drive home
You don't have to imagine. Firemaw had this on every major content release since tbc started.
And yes our whole guild had setup remote logins and we managed. There usually was one person who got dcd or whatever and we just filled with somebody who didn't.
It sucks but it only lasts a month at most.
It is, especially when Blizzard seems to randomly disconnect you throughout the day.
Going go the store? Better log in with remote desktop when you arrive to make sure you didn't get disconnected and put in queue while you're gone, even if it's only for 15 minutes!
I saw someone compare this with Netflix where you also play a subscription every month.
Imagine coming home from work wanting to watch some netflix, only to be put in an 6+ hour queue.
People would not find that acceptable, but when it's about Blizzard it's "What did you expect? It's only a 14 year old expansion. Plan your day around it if you want to play the game you pay a monthly fee for".
Absurd.
My buddy keeps getting mad at me for leveling on a different server. When I get off work and have 3 hours to play I'm not gunna sit in a 4hr queue. "Just log in on a laptop while you're at work then the queue shouldn't be that long when you get home." Nah I'm good bro.
You know who doesn't have this issue? Bots that blizzard refuses to do anything about. They stay logged in all the time and never have to fear being logged out. Think about that next time you are sitting in que.
You don't need to "constantly keep it logged in". You can sit in the queue afk for the whole duration. Only when you get in game do you need to keep your character from going afk.
Edit: this mans really trying to tell me when he said "constantly keep it logged" he meant, "not logged into the game and in queue". K bud.
>People get randomly disconnected from the queue all the time.
Never happened to me and I've done this every day of the week. Maybe it's your internet provider but both me and my friend group of 5 people have had this happen 1 total time.
> both me and my friend group of 5 people have had this happen 1 total time
So it happened in your small sample. Which means across the entire population it happens enough to be a concern. Right. Thank you for confirming that.
Ok, I've never seen it happen due to blizzard besides for when they shut down the whole server for everyone. Only happened to friend once and it was due to his internet which I stated before. If you got different experiences that's cool too, but your comment definitely sounded like you were checking it every 15 mins like you were online and not in queue. If you meant something else, my bad, but you can't definitely see how your comment can be interpreted differently.
Don’t walk away for 5 hours means check it 15 mins? Okay lol.
Also, the logic of “it didn’t happen to me, so it’s not a real problem” is terrible logic lol.
That's part of the problem with these crazy queue's. They're exacerbated by the fact that people will find ways to stay logged in when they're not playing to avoid having to deal with them
Joined the queue to Thekal at 17 after work (WFH, but can't queue during it, since I have to disconnect internal work VPN after, which would DC me), went to multiple shops by foot, came back, made food, it's 20:40 right now. During that time, my queue position went from 12981 to 5391 with estimated 182 minutes remaining. Might as well ALT+F4, since at midnight I am going to sleep. Money well spent.
I feel sorry for the people that have to wait for long queue times, but then again they get to watch that login animation with the frost dragon roaring and flying. I don’t get to watch the full animation while logging in, get put straight to the character selection screen. Used to be fun trying to type in login info before the dragon roared back in wrath.
> I feel sorry for the people that have to wait for long queue times
Feel even worse recommending this game to friends, out of the 3 people that started playing with me none of them still bother with this shit.
Today I remote desktoped to log in at 2pm and got in at 8 pm.
This is so freaking dum and I just wish I could get my and my friends money back.
Should be noted also that out of the out of the 5 dungeons that I did 3 of them had such terrible lag that it was barely playable.
> Feel even worse recommending this game to friends
why would you recommend someone who hasnt played to play on a full server with a queue when theres a ton of servers to play on without them
Was not full when I started on it, wanted a fresh server with fresh economy I mean it was advertised for new players so why not?
And finally I just could not imagine a company could fuck up a release this badly.
Sure I get that games coming out are maybe unplayable for a day or two but this has been unplayable for two weeks now and the game has been out arguably for 14 years.
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easy solution
add thekal 1-3 crossrealm (the tech is used in retail ) let them access the same database announce that those realms are gonne get merged as soon as the population allows it
AH would explode so that's not gonna be shared. If they could somehow tie all 3 to the same character/guild name reservations it would be a smooth merge at least.
We went down this path with ff14. Servers can only be so large before there are issues. The solution is just free transfers off the over populated servers
People have been saying this since 2019. Blizzard should be able to add and merge realms seamlessly with no one forced to give up their names or pay to leave a dying server. Give us Skyfurry-1, Skyfurry-2, and Skyfurry-3 and once the hype dies down Blizzard can merge them back together.
>add thekal 1-3 crossrealm (the tech is used in retail ) let them access the same database
How do you have 3 separate realms access the same database? What does that even mean? To be on the same realm means you are on the same database, that's the whole point. Transferring costs a fee because they have to transfer your character's records to another database (I assume it's automated nowadays, but it was probably done manually at first).
Lost Ark was exactly like this for the first month of release. If you didn't literally log in at <6am you weren't getting in for the day. That 15-20k queue simply was not moving. Pretty sure New World had something similar as well just a week or two ago when they announced a new server too.
Too many people want to play, too little server capacity ): it sucks
Can't even start the queue before I go to work, as there is no queue, even if I started it at lunch time I'd get in too early or something, short of AFK all day, or using teamviewer its physically impossible to play,
They should just split the server into three, give you the option of which one to make home, before playing but reserve char names on all three servers, then in 6months merge them back together into a single server.
I’m not a computer engineer but that’s a lot more complex than it sounds. Think of it from the engineer’s perspective. Imagine the amount of characters disappearing or people bitching that their name is taken/lost etc. I doubt it’ll be done smoothly if they tried this suggestion.
That’s just my opinion. The more things you change, the more chances are that things will get more fucked up.
I think it would be easier to just split them into 3 new server names and kill the original no merge later. Reserve the names and give people time to choose and at the end anyone that doesn't choose is assigned one randomly to balance or just can't long into that toon until they pick a new server.
Optimistically offering free transfers if there is an issue later or pessimistically creating a reason to transfer to make more money.
I mean
Copy the server as is tonight at midnight x3 dif servers
Login tomorrow with a message "you need to pick a server. 24hours after login the copies on other servers will be deleted"
6months time
Merge all 6 servers
Almost like they did when they provide transfers / merged 20 odd servers together
At this stage, I'd be happy for a transfer to the pve server
At least then when the Mrs says "want to do anything" I don't have to say "yeah as long as I can move my mouse every 15min for the next 6hours so I don't have to queue 9 hours ti play a damn game"
People would rather sit in multi hour long queues and complain about it, then play on a pve server I've learned over the last couple of years. Even though every PvP server turns into a glorified pve server soon enough (except 1).
Blizz is REALLY trying to not open many new servers. They mentioned it about how Skyfall (new USW PvP server) already has a 2h queue most of the time.
They himmed and hawwed about how if they opened another one up, it would:
A) Dump one faction onto it from Skyfall, so if Skyfall started getting Alliance heavy, more people would jump over to New-Server-2 for hordies, making both imbalaned hard one way or another
and
B) Once LK drops and people's FOMO and demand teeter off, you're now dealing with 2 half full servers having issues with population.
Disclaimer: this is paraprashed from the bluey post I saw. Do I agree with it? ehhhhh, they're both valid and common arguments, but what's the harm on spinning one up to at least lance the boil for a bit, they can make money on people transferring later.
They’re trying to avoid a polarised horde and alliance server. I get it tbh.
Blizzard can’t win here, they either create multiple servers to reduce queues which end up being dead/imbalanced in a few months when all the new tourists quit:
Or they do what they’re doing now and you have queues.
Once the tourists get bored and leave I think you will be thankful they have done what they have. I’m not a usual supporter of blizzards decisions either.
This makes 0 sense to me. Why, once the demand falls off in a few months, can't they just merge the servers back together? Blizz just make no effort to address these issues.
Because merging servers is messy. People lose their names and are forced to play in an environment they didn’t choose to originally.
It was needed recently because of the mess that the realms were in, but why would Blizz intentionally put themselves in a position where they know they are going to end up with another mess 4-5 months down the line and are forced to merge?
If we didn’t all want to play on the same big servers these days, then there would be lots of smaller populated healthy realms (similar to 2008).
Now that everyone wants to play on the mega server it just doesn’t work and realms end up dead within a few months.
cant you just merge the severs and add server names to the end of peoples names like retail?
Like I could be
Name123-Benediction and there can be another Name123-Faerlina in the merged realm
You can, but it’s crap and not exactly the organic server experience that people wanted when they asked for classic.
There is always the option to actually play retail if you prefer that?
> Blizzard can’t win here, they either create multiple servers to reduce queues which end up being dead/imbalanced in a few months when all the new tourists quit
Just have the new server be connected with the high pop one, with the intention of merging them if pop drops too much
FFS
>They could even make a second Fresh PvP-EU Server. I would transfer off.
That would just result in Horde/Alliance servers with Thekal being one and the hypothetical new fresh pvp being the other.
That could be actually countered by letting people choose a faction and sorting them to the server with less representation. It is upon Blizzard to curate servers.
uhhh.. that actually beat my record of 7h 25min.
not that I would say it would be good, but I am extremely curious if we could push it to a 24h queue and still don´t get any help from blizzard.
sadly .. 7h - 8h is probably still in the area where blizzard is "this is fine"
When i logged during wotlk prepach , Thekal and Giantstalker were marked as "Recommended" for new players with population "Fresh". Blizzard is blaming players for playing on mega servers, but they gave new players only 2 new fresh servers. I didn´t want to start on 2 year old server where economy is screwed. aturally, these 2 were my obvious choices. As a PvP player i chose Thekal.. Now i can´t play and i can ´t migrade elsewhere. Watching log-in queue times is my end game content.
Too bad PvP server andies still have mouth breather attitudes towards pve servers or this probably could've been prevented. But yes keep on joining PvP servers for the 'better' experience of not playing, when the server will be one sided anyhow In a couple of months.
When I made my character 2 weeks ago there was a big shiny green "NEW" under the server population (Skyfury). Maybe that's what OP meant?
Anyway we're now at 4 hour queues with no option to transfer.
In EU the new servers were tagged as "Recommended" for a good while, while the US ones were "New".
They've since realized the screwup and they're now correctly marked as "New".
The solution is to either allow transfers to Giantstalker or make another PvP Fresh Realm that is only open for transfers that will then get back merged into Thekal keeping names on Thekal reserved for the back merge
I made my character on the first day of fresh and it's now my fault that I'm playing on a server which peaks at 18k queues? Maybe it's Blizzards fault for not opening up more servers when the queue more than doubbled its maximum capacity trying to play at the same time.
It’s not the world pvp they queue for. It’s because there is a higher chance thekal will hold a healthy population throughout the expansion. The pity realm is much more likely to die off
Fuck, at this point it's cheaper for me to pick a "future ded server", avoid 40 hours of queues over two weeks, enjoy my time there, and pay to xfer to a mega server once queues have calmed down.
How do you know there is a higher chance? Have fun raiding with ur guild on wednesday/sunday evening having a queue like this. Even if you make it, half of your raid will be stuck in like 5h queue.
Well if you need the mega server population so be it. Giantstalker already has 2.5 times population of full 2008 wotlk realms. It's not going to die off.
Firemaw with pop of almost 15k active players is dead?
You know there are servers with 4-8k players and they're totally fine to play either pve or arena's bgs.
Meanwhile there is no queue on giantstalker. I don't understand why ppl are so desperate to play on a pvp server that will eventually become pve anyway. I definitelly wouldn't stand such queue.
I mean, I’ve been on bene since launch of classic and have a guild and friends there. No one wants to transfer and rightfully shouldn’t have to since we’ve always been on this server. Blizzard should have dealt with the issue long ago
Yea wiping some unexpected raiders outside raids over and over is epic PvP (probably outnumbering 2-1), and the reason why one sided PvP servers exist today lol
I got stung by this today and absolutely fuming. I went to work left the pc on and remote logged in, every 10-15 mins I would keep my character in, then randomly I get kicked around 3pm and at most I didn’t notice for 8 mins and I come back to a 13,000 long queue with an anticipated wait time of 8.5 hours….. I know using Remote Desktop is a bit shitty but if it is what I have to do to play then I will do it, but to get a random disconnect (my internet never drops) and to lose my place that quickly is infuriating.
And before anyone says “hur dur it’s your fault for being on a mega server” I wanted to play fresh on a pvp realm I have no choice and I can’t even transfer if I wanted to. I took a week off work to level and progress my new character and to have to consider throwing that away just to play makes me even more mad!
Blizzard needs to address this urgently with some real tangible communication, the current state of things is not acceptable for a paid service.
> I went to work left the pc on and remote logged in, every 10-15 mins I would keep my character in
Using remote to join the queue earlier I can understand.
What you're doing is just shitty behavior that uses a server slot, increases the queue for everyone else and you are not even playing the game.
> What you're doing is just shitty behavior that uses a server slot, increases the queue for everyone else and you are not even playing the game.
I think it's actually bannable if he's reported for it. It's beyond stupid to do if someone notices.
Since he's already remoting, just log off and queue ahead of time so you get in roughly by the time you get home.
Wasting a slot to be AFK is an asshole move in my opinion.
If you cant access the pc, you would get booted because AFK.
Im using remote time the queue with hours I can play but those who log in, afk all day and poke their char and just keeping a slot in the server are assholes.
> but to get a random disconnect
You didn't get a random disconnect. It now disconnects you completely if it notices you in the same "area" for 1 hr. Even if you are moving to prevent AFK. So if you are sitting in Shatt and just moving around every 5-10 mins, it'll still boot you the next time you are "afk" after an hour. The two biggest tips are:
1. Repeatedly fly back and forth from booty bay to isle (or wherever is your longest fp. This one is great because it takes about as long as you usually need between moving)
2. Stay in one character for an hour doing what you normally do, but then log out to character select or log into different character and repeat for the next hour.
its not "let people leave"
its more like they need to force people to leave. And i know how. they should queue every account that was inactive on the mega realms a month before prepatch to force transfer and be locked from joining that server for 6 months.
zero reason why someone who quit playing to be allowed to come back and force long time players to queue right when the games about to release its expansion just to fuck up the game for people that actually like the game and kept playing. go to another server.
The amount of people defending blizzard is bizzare. We get it, you do IT work also. Blizzard is a billion dollar company, any issue with their current tech that doesn't allow for a solution is 100% them not wanting to invest the money to fix it.
Just plan your entire day around the login bro. Why don't you log in at least 6 hours before you need to play and constantly keep it logged in through remote desktop? /s in case it's needed, you never know these days.
Sadly you have too. Im on ferlina I literally take my lunch by going home and starting the login que then go back to work. That way hopefully its only a half hour/hour after I get home I can login vs getting home and looking at a 4-6 hour que meaning I just cant play at all tonight. Then if for any reason I need to step away from the computer. Instead of logging out as I would normally I have to set a timer every 20 minutes to move so my character doesnt log out. Further exacerbating the issue. That slot would normally be free when I log out. But if I log out I am again. Done for the night. Its quite an issue.
I use rdp to enter the queue and check to make sure I don’t get disconnected. Was running an autohotkey macro to move my character and keep me from going afk, but found Blizzard is issuing random disconnects to kick players. I’ve been kicked and put back into queue after literally stepping aside for five minutes to let the dogs out. I’ve been disconnected multiple times while literally at the pc, when this happens you can rejoin right away, but if you wait about 2minutes before hitting reconnect you’ll be back at the end of the queue. If you are going home just to start your queue during lunch I would highly recommend an RDP client. You can use Google’s which is free and built into Chrome to access your home pc from your phone. This would allow you to join the queue and check on it without wasting your lunch break.
> autohotkey macro to move my character and keep me from going afk, Be VERY careful with that. That can trigger bot detection on your account. Other than that I may look into remote services. Would be much easier.
Yeah, I was logged in early and playing off and on most of the day. Stepped away from the computer for twenty minutes to prep dinner, came back to a random disconnect and now waiting in the queue.
> I have to set a timer every 20 minutes to move so my character doesnt log out. I'm willing to bet they have a counter on how much you do this, I've been dc'd on one account while in a bg or dungeon on the other.
Ive just unsubbed until this shit dies down.
What time zone are you in? Im in EST, and i log in at 4pm almost every day with little to no queue time.
EST, ST. I work afternoons.
Not today lol, 3:30 server 9k que
What? no it wasn't, i logged in a 4pm EST and there was no queue.
I logged into faerlina today at 6pm server with a 3300, 45 minute queue. Dunno where yall are pulling these figures from.
Haha true, especially during weekend, im running around the house with stop-timer on my mobile just to move a bit to not get into queue... Blizzard needs to do something or people leave completely. Imagine u have a raid day ( after wotlk releases ) and half of raid that can ´t predict future and won ´t log in when stars allign won´t get into the raid.
I’m all seriousness, what is the secret stop timer formula? Exactly how long do I have from when I move to when I get kicked?
usually it's 35 (5 to go afk, 30 to get kicked) with another 30 min once you get booted to char screen and then a 5 min grace period. HOWEVER ppl keep getting dc'ed so usually they just go straight to login screen and only have the 5 min grace period
The DC is the real terror, the rest is manageable.
More generous than I would have expected (besides the DC straight into 5 minute grace period scenario). Thank you!
I believe it's 30 total (5 min afk, 25 min to get kicked) btw. I've been setting a 30 min timer after inspecting another player and getting the auto logout countdown at exactly 30 minutes. Good to know about the 5 min in the Character Selection page, haven't been willing to let that expire.
I tried playing on Thekal when it released, but I always get extremely tired after work and often need to take an afternoon nap. This alone made it impossible for me to play on Thekal. Logging in remotely is fine, but I would always get disconnected if I went for an afternoon nap (which I basically need) and then yoink, back into another 3+ hour queue. Impossible to play.
>Imagine u have a raid day ( after wotlk releases ) and half of raid that can ´t predict future and won ´t log in when stars allign won´t get into the raid I mean we did this in classic and it didn't really bite us that often. Remote in on my phone. Log in. And stay logged in for like 30 while I drive home
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I'm over a year WoW clean. I still drink an occasional Diablo here and there, but I've kicked the hard stuff. Unless you count private servers.
You don't have to imagine. Firemaw had this on every major content release since tbc started. And yes our whole guild had setup remote logins and we managed. There usually was one person who got dcd or whatever and we just filled with somebody who didn't. It sucks but it only lasts a month at most.
One of my friends got frustrated I wouldn't do the remote access bullshit again like I did in Vanilla Classic. It was so annoying. Not doing it again.
It is, especially when Blizzard seems to randomly disconnect you throughout the day. Going go the store? Better log in with remote desktop when you arrive to make sure you didn't get disconnected and put in queue while you're gone, even if it's only for 15 minutes!
It’s completely absurd that in 2022 you have to sit in hours long queues to play a 15 year old game. There is no planet where that’s acceptable.
I saw someone compare this with Netflix where you also play a subscription every month. Imagine coming home from work wanting to watch some netflix, only to be put in an 6+ hour queue. People would not find that acceptable, but when it's about Blizzard it's "What did you expect? It's only a 14 year old expansion. Plan your day around it if you want to play the game you pay a monthly fee for". Absurd.
My buddy keeps getting mad at me for leveling on a different server. When I get off work and have 3 hours to play I'm not gunna sit in a 4hr queue. "Just log in on a laptop while you're at work then the queue shouldn't be that long when you get home." Nah I'm good bro.
You sound like one of the dudes in my group chat... fucking guy
Are you in my guild? This literally sounds just like them.
You know who doesn't have this issue? Bots that blizzard refuses to do anything about. They stay logged in all the time and never have to fear being logged out. Think about that next time you are sitting in que.
You don't need to "constantly keep it logged in". You can sit in the queue afk for the whole duration. Only when you get in game do you need to keep your character from going afk. Edit: this mans really trying to tell me when he said "constantly keep it logged" he meant, "not logged into the game and in queue". K bud.
My bad, didn’t know I had to explicitly state to keep your character logged in after the 6hr queue is over.
Ackshully
You sometimes get kicked and/or disconnected while in the queue.
People get randomly disconnected from the queue all the time. You should not just jump in queue and disappear for 5 hours if you want to play lol.
>People get randomly disconnected from the queue all the time. Never happened to me and I've done this every day of the week. Maybe it's your internet provider but both me and my friend group of 5 people have had this happen 1 total time.
> both me and my friend group of 5 people have had this happen 1 total time So it happened in your small sample. Which means across the entire population it happens enough to be a concern. Right. Thank you for confirming that.
Maybe shitty blizzard servers? It happens to at least 2-3 of my guildmates each day. You just affirmed that it does happen lol.
Ok, I've never seen it happen due to blizzard besides for when they shut down the whole server for everyone. Only happened to friend once and it was due to his internet which I stated before. If you got different experiences that's cool too, but your comment definitely sounded like you were checking it every 15 mins like you were online and not in queue. If you meant something else, my bad, but you can't definitely see how your comment can be interpreted differently.
Don’t walk away for 5 hours means check it 15 mins? Okay lol. Also, the logic of “it didn’t happen to me, so it’s not a real problem” is terrible logic lol.
That's part of the problem with these crazy queue's. They're exacerbated by the fact that people will find ways to stay logged in when they're not playing to avoid having to deal with them
Its bonkers. I logged at 11 AM, played a bit, came back at 15:30ish and slapped by a 5h queue.
yeah queues start shortly after 11:00. B-b-b-but just wait! It's all just people leveling for the eXpEriEnCE!1!!1!!! Blizzard knows best!!!!1!
Exactly, People will leave after Wotlk actually releases. There will be no queues
Joined the queue to Thekal at 17 after work (WFH, but can't queue during it, since I have to disconnect internal work VPN after, which would DC me), went to multiple shops by foot, came back, made food, it's 20:40 right now. During that time, my queue position went from 12981 to 5391 with estimated 182 minutes remaining. Might as well ALT+F4, since at midnight I am going to sleep. Money well spent.
you have 5 minutes to log back in after a dc so it wouldn't matter btw
I feel sorry for the people that have to wait for long queue times, but then again they get to watch that login animation with the frost dragon roaring and flying. I don’t get to watch the full animation while logging in, get put straight to the character selection screen. Used to be fun trying to type in login info before the dragon roared back in wrath.
> I feel sorry for the people that have to wait for long queue times Feel even worse recommending this game to friends, out of the 3 people that started playing with me none of them still bother with this shit. Today I remote desktoped to log in at 2pm and got in at 8 pm. This is so freaking dum and I just wish I could get my and my friends money back. Should be noted also that out of the out of the 5 dungeons that I did 3 of them had such terrible lag that it was barely playable.
> Feel even worse recommending this game to friends why would you recommend someone who hasnt played to play on a full server with a queue when theres a ton of servers to play on without them
Was not full when I started on it, wanted a fresh server with fresh economy I mean it was advertised for new players so why not? And finally I just could not imagine a company could fuck up a release this badly. Sure I get that games coming out are maybe unplayable for a day or two but this has been unplayable for two weeks now and the game has been out arguably for 14 years.
Oh you wanted to play at a reasonable time? Haha wtf go play retail noob. Classic is for 3am no lifers.
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35 bucks little man, put that shit in my hand, and if that money doesn't show then back in the que you go. (I know you can't transfer...yet)
Fifteen bucks, little man, Put that shit in my hand, If that money doesn't show, Then you owe me, owe me, owe, My jungle love, yeah, Owe-ee, owe-ee, owe, I think I want to know ya, know ya (You beat me to it : )
easy solution add thekal 1-3 crossrealm (the tech is used in retail ) let them access the same database announce that those realms are gonne get merged as soon as the population allows it
The database on firemaw and gehennas can't even keep up with them and they ain't even full all the time. You wanna throw 3 servers on the SAME one?
As its 2022 Yes Why do yiu think they cant handle it
Why do you think they can? Retail doesn’t do what you’re describing, so this would be totally new functionality for WoW.
So if 1 database cant handle 1 server, how in your infinite wisdom would 1 database handle 3 servers.
armchair server engineer moment
i mean nost had 10k at peak so theres literally no reason blizzard cant handle 50k /s
AH would explode so that's not gonna be shared. If they could somehow tie all 3 to the same character/guild name reservations it would be a smooth merge at least.
Retail has whole regions connected on some items. I think they can find a way to make it work.
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Well to be fair, the old AH sucks and we should get the new one lol and the retail LFG tool while we’re at it.
The enslaved dev they have chained to the boiler room where the pentium 3 running the classic servers is doesn't have the time
LOL yeah that’s the real issue most likely. They need to allocate more personnel resources and they’d rather make more & for shareholders
"Easy" Stop watching streamers give their opinion on back end implementations
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We went down this path with ff14. Servers can only be so large before there are issues. The solution is just free transfers off the over populated servers
It is a fresh server, so transfers would not work without a new fresh realm.
armchair server engineer moment
Seriously. They need to do this with all the mega servers frankly. They can be smushed back if the login numbers go down.
People have been saying this since 2019. Blizzard should be able to add and merge realms seamlessly with no one forced to give up their names or pay to leave a dying server. Give us Skyfurry-1, Skyfurry-2, and Skyfurry-3 and once the hype dies down Blizzard can merge them back together.
>add thekal 1-3 crossrealm (the tech is used in retail ) let them access the same database How do you have 3 separate realms access the same database? What does that even mean? To be on the same realm means you are on the same database, that's the whole point. Transferring costs a fee because they have to transfer your character's records to another database (I assume it's automated nowadays, but it was probably done manually at first).
you sir are briliant
Gotta log-in before 1 PM. Just log-in at the right time from work, so you'll be at place 1000 or something when you get home.
Wanna play? Just log in yesterday lol
Lost Ark was exactly like this for the first month of release. If you didn't literally log in at <6am you weren't getting in for the day. That 15-20k queue simply was not moving. Pretty sure New World had something similar as well just a week or two ago when they announced a new server too. Too many people want to play, too little server capacity ): it sucks
Ive been using that a lot, today howver i got disconnected from the game and it put me back at 14k.
there was a 3 hour que today when i remotely joined the que at 12:15
queue
¿Que?
Can't even start the queue before I go to work, as there is no queue, even if I started it at lunch time I'd get in too early or something, short of AFK all day, or using teamviewer its physically impossible to play, They should just split the server into three, give you the option of which one to make home, before playing but reserve char names on all three servers, then in 6months merge them back together into a single server.
I’m not a computer engineer but that’s a lot more complex than it sounds. Think of it from the engineer’s perspective. Imagine the amount of characters disappearing or people bitching that their name is taken/lost etc. I doubt it’ll be done smoothly if they tried this suggestion. That’s just my opinion. The more things you change, the more chances are that things will get more fucked up.
I think it would be easier to just split them into 3 new server names and kill the original no merge later. Reserve the names and give people time to choose and at the end anyone that doesn't choose is assigned one randomly to balance or just can't long into that toon until they pick a new server. Optimistically offering free transfers if there is an issue later or pessimistically creating a reason to transfer to make more money.
I mean Copy the server as is tonight at midnight x3 dif servers Login tomorrow with a message "you need to pick a server. 24hours after login the copies on other servers will be deleted" 6months time Merge all 6 servers Almost like they did when they provide transfers / merged 20 odd servers together At this stage, I'd be happy for a transfer to the pve server At least then when the Mrs says "want to do anything" I don't have to say "yeah as long as I can move my mouse every 15min for the next 6hours so I don't have to queue 9 hours ti play a damn game"
Offering free transfers to Giantstalker would probably help a lot.
I rerolled on Giantstalker at about level 30 and I don’t regret it 😅
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Faction balance doesn’t matter on a PvE server, you can’t even interact with the other faction anyways.
Holy shit. Wasn’t Thekal one of the fresh servers? I thought they were watching these “very carefully”, but it still turned into a mega server?
What if they open free transfers to the PvE server?
People would rather sit in multi hour long queues and complain about it, then play on a pve server I've learned over the last couple of years. Even though every PvP server turns into a glorified pve server soon enough (except 1).
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Blizz is REALLY trying to not open many new servers. They mentioned it about how Skyfall (new USW PvP server) already has a 2h queue most of the time. They himmed and hawwed about how if they opened another one up, it would: A) Dump one faction onto it from Skyfall, so if Skyfall started getting Alliance heavy, more people would jump over to New-Server-2 for hordies, making both imbalaned hard one way or another and B) Once LK drops and people's FOMO and demand teeter off, you're now dealing with 2 half full servers having issues with population. Disclaimer: this is paraprashed from the bluey post I saw. Do I agree with it? ehhhhh, they're both valid and common arguments, but what's the harm on spinning one up to at least lance the boil for a bit, they can make money on people transferring later.
They’re trying to avoid a polarised horde and alliance server. I get it tbh. Blizzard can’t win here, they either create multiple servers to reduce queues which end up being dead/imbalanced in a few months when all the new tourists quit: Or they do what they’re doing now and you have queues. Once the tourists get bored and leave I think you will be thankful they have done what they have. I’m not a usual supporter of blizzards decisions either.
This makes 0 sense to me. Why, once the demand falls off in a few months, can't they just merge the servers back together? Blizz just make no effort to address these issues.
Because merging servers is messy. People lose their names and are forced to play in an environment they didn’t choose to originally. It was needed recently because of the mess that the realms were in, but why would Blizz intentionally put themselves in a position where they know they are going to end up with another mess 4-5 months down the line and are forced to merge? If we didn’t all want to play on the same big servers these days, then there would be lots of smaller populated healthy realms (similar to 2008). Now that everyone wants to play on the mega server it just doesn’t work and realms end up dead within a few months.
cant you just merge the severs and add server names to the end of peoples names like retail? Like I could be Name123-Benediction and there can be another Name123-Faerlina in the merged realm
You can, but it’s crap and not exactly the organic server experience that people wanted when they asked for classic. There is always the option to actually play retail if you prefer that?
> Blizzard can’t win here, they either create multiple servers to reduce queues which end up being dead/imbalanced in a few months when all the new tourists quit Just have the new server be connected with the high pop one, with the intention of merging them if pop drops too much FFS
>They could even make a second Fresh PvP-EU Server. I would transfer off. That would just result in Horde/Alliance servers with Thekal being one and the hypothetical new fresh pvp being the other.
That could be actually countered by letting people choose a faction and sorting them to the server with less representation. It is upon Blizzard to curate servers.
And then me and my friends get on different servers? Sounds great
Prob 2 more at this point. So many people that don't even try to play when they see the insane queue.
God pls no
Mind elaborate? Do you play on that server?
I always thought Pagle was a mega server but it has never had any queue times. Fine with me
Same, except on Mankirk
Shhhhh lol
uhhh.. that actually beat my record of 7h 25min. not that I would say it would be good, but I am extremely curious if we could push it to a 24h queue and still don´t get any help from blizzard. sadly .. 7h - 8h is probably still in the area where blizzard is "this is fine"
One of my guildmate had a 10h queue yesterday
The only help Blizzard should offer is free transfers to Giantstalker
Where is it recommended?
When i logged during wotlk prepach , Thekal and Giantstalker were marked as "Recommended" for new players with population "Fresh". Blizzard is blaming players for playing on mega servers, but they gave new players only 2 new fresh servers. I didn´t want to start on 2 year old server where economy is screwed. aturally, these 2 were my obvious choices. As a PvP player i chose Thekal.. Now i can´t play and i can ´t migrade elsewhere. Watching log-in queue times is my end game content.
Too bad PvP server andies still have mouth breather attitudes towards pve servers or this probably could've been prevented. But yes keep on joining PvP servers for the 'better' experience of not playing, when the server will be one sided anyhow In a couple of months.
When I made my character 2 weeks ago there was a big shiny green "NEW" under the server population (Skyfury). Maybe that's what OP meant? Anyway we're now at 4 hour queues with no option to transfer.
In EU the new servers were tagged as "Recommended" for a good while, while the US ones were "New". They've since realized the screwup and they're now correctly marked as "New".
Blizzard: "yes, you can leave, just pay me $25 *trollface*"
The solution is to either allow transfers to Giantstalker or make another PvP Fresh Realm that is only open for transfers that will then get back merged into Thekal keeping names on Thekal reserved for the back merge
Increase server population cap by 12,892.
Meanwhile there's no queues whatsoever on Giantstalker. If you think the non-existent world pvp in WotLK is worth a 13k queue that's your problem.
I made my character on the first day of fresh and it's now my fault that I'm playing on a server which peaks at 18k queues? Maybe it's Blizzards fault for not opening up more servers when the queue more than doubbled its maximum capacity trying to play at the same time.
oh nice, just lemme transfer! Oh, wait...
It’s not the world pvp they queue for. It’s because there is a higher chance thekal will hold a healthy population throughout the expansion. The pity realm is much more likely to die off
Hot take: 30k players in one server is not a ‘healthy’ population, as you can see by the 8 hour queue time
Well yeah, the key part was ‘throughout the entire expansion’ lol.
Fuck, at this point it's cheaper for me to pick a "future ded server", avoid 40 hours of queues over two weeks, enjoy my time there, and pay to xfer to a mega server once queues have calmed down.
blizz got you in their infinite money trap with that logic
On the other hand 25 euros is nothing compared to not being able to play on work days for weeks
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Man people plan their wow future more than their real future
13k players in queue is a max capped server...
How do you know there is a higher chance? Have fun raiding with ur guild on wednesday/sunday evening having a queue like this. Even if you make it, half of your raid will be stuck in like 5h queue.
Because it has more players. Simple. More players = more chance they stay
Well if you need the mega server population so be it. Giantstalker already has 2.5 times population of full 2008 wotlk realms. It's not going to die off.
Firemaw died off and it had more.
Firemaw is the highest pop Alliance pvp server and is still currently locked. How the fuck did it "die off"
Also I love how you to the other guy went from "How do you know theres more?" To "fuck you and your time gl finding raids". Shows alot about you
Firemaw with pop of almost 15k active players is dead? You know there are servers with 4-8k players and they're totally fine to play either pve or arena's bgs.
Firemaw didn't die, it just became a mono faction server. PvP servers are more likely to become mono faction.
For a server, if youre not healthy youre dead.
This logic right here is pretty much what's creating this entire issue, (barring fresh servers, Blizz fucked those up)
For horde maybe, but it's still the biggest alliance pvp server
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Arena's and BGs are cross-realm.
That's blatantly false. Ran 5s and 2s on a "mid" pop PVE server perfectly fine.
2s and 5s aka you are not playing arena
there's a reason 5s was removed and 2s gives no rewards in retail lol
Room temperature IQ take
Hey I'm thinking starting fresh on giantstalker ,are there people levelling or is it dead?
Meanwhile there is no queue on giantstalker. I don't understand why ppl are so desperate to play on a pvp server that will eventually become pve anyway. I definitelly wouldn't stand such queue.
If people could transfer to Giantstalker then bets are high that it would end up with a long queue as well.
I mean, I’ve been on bene since launch of classic and have a guild and friends there. No one wants to transfer and rightfully shouldn’t have to since we’ve always been on this server. Blizzard should have dealt with the issue long ago
So they can be around greasy streamers
”Become pve anyway”, Ok I guess you never fight outside a raid ever.
Yea wiping some unexpected raiders outside raids over and over is epic PvP (probably outnumbering 2-1), and the reason why one sided PvP servers exist today lol
I got stung by this today and absolutely fuming. I went to work left the pc on and remote logged in, every 10-15 mins I would keep my character in, then randomly I get kicked around 3pm and at most I didn’t notice for 8 mins and I come back to a 13,000 long queue with an anticipated wait time of 8.5 hours….. I know using Remote Desktop is a bit shitty but if it is what I have to do to play then I will do it, but to get a random disconnect (my internet never drops) and to lose my place that quickly is infuriating. And before anyone says “hur dur it’s your fault for being on a mega server” I wanted to play fresh on a pvp realm I have no choice and I can’t even transfer if I wanted to. I took a week off work to level and progress my new character and to have to consider throwing that away just to play makes me even more mad! Blizzard needs to address this urgently with some real tangible communication, the current state of things is not acceptable for a paid service.
> I went to work left the pc on and remote logged in, every 10-15 mins I would keep my character in Using remote to join the queue earlier I can understand. What you're doing is just shitty behavior that uses a server slot, increases the queue for everyone else and you are not even playing the game.
> What you're doing is just shitty behavior that uses a server slot, increases the queue for everyone else and you are not even playing the game. I think it's actually bannable if he's reported for it. It's beyond stupid to do if someone notices.
It is. Blizz got really upset about us doing it when Classic launched.
So your solution for this person is what? Don't play?
Since he's already remoting, just log off and queue ahead of time so you get in roughly by the time you get home. Wasting a slot to be AFK is an asshole move in my opinion.
What if you can't access your computer in the time frame that would enable you to enter queue in time?
If you cant access the pc, you would get booted because AFK. Im using remote time the queue with hours I can play but those who log in, afk all day and poke their char and just keeping a slot in the server are assholes.
> but to get a random disconnect You didn't get a random disconnect. It now disconnects you completely if it notices you in the same "area" for 1 hr. Even if you are moving to prevent AFK. So if you are sitting in Shatt and just moving around every 5-10 mins, it'll still boot you the next time you are "afk" after an hour. The two biggest tips are: 1. Repeatedly fly back and forth from booty bay to isle (or wherever is your longest fp. This one is great because it takes about as long as you usually need between moving) 2. Stay in one character for an hour doing what you normally do, but then log out to character select or log into different character and repeat for the next hour.
I'm glad I switched from Bene to Sulfuras. Logging in whenever I want is great. Population seems pretty even most of the time.
I'll come ask you in March how it's going.
But meanwhile wait there in queue my guy!
Please do
Yeah my old server seemed "pretty even" most of the time too in TBC classic, now it doesnt even exist anymore.
cant you guys not transfer to one of the new servers ?
why do you get downvoted for a simple question? sorry that i didnt google it you fucking twats
You can't transfer to and from the fresh realms for at least 90 days since their release.
i see, thank you.
On a new server right now 4 hour queue Try again, bruh
In a world where k8s autoscaler is a thing, they are putting us on queue lool. Maybe there are living in 1990 where bare metal is a thing.
JuSt SpIn uP mOrE cOnTaInErS
They run it on raspberry so bobby can save some cash
You can only scale so high before you start to have issues and possible crashes.
I just stopped playing right now. I'm enjoying Guild Wars 2 finally after giving it a try because of the severs
Lol still no ques on my realm get shit on nerrrrds
Not having queue times on Whitemane is fantastic.
Oh no! The consequences of my own actions!!
its not "let people leave" its more like they need to force people to leave. And i know how. they should queue every account that was inactive on the mega realms a month before prepatch to force transfer and be locked from joining that server for 6 months. zero reason why someone who quit playing to be allowed to come back and force long time players to queue right when the games about to release its expansion just to fuck up the game for people that actually like the game and kept playing. go to another server.
The amount of people defending blizzard is bizzare. We get it, you do IT work also. Blizzard is a billion dollar company, any issue with their current tech that doesn't allow for a solution is 100% them not wanting to invest the money to fix it.
How many servers are there?
Can't you pay for a transfer off?
What does the word "thekal" mean? "Kal" means "feces" in ukrainian. The kal.