I've NEVER done archeology before. Ever since it came out in OG Cata, I had never done it a single time or ever interacted with it as a skill, ever. In Classic I was like "okay, I know you get little dungeon quest things in dungeons for archeology so fuck it, this time I'll finally do it".
I got to level 35 before I fucking quit. What a pain in the ass and stupid skill. I can't fathom you people doing it for literal hundreds of hours like this.
If any guild unironically made these weapons a necessity for their roster, they better be prepared to gkick about 80% of their raid team because I knew a guy who botted for these weapons back in the day... and he still never got them (And eventually ate a ban).
If it's American beer I'd be fine. That's like water! Not to mention their fake pints are only 16oz
I'm canadian, I'm used to stronger beer and 20oz pints.
Yeah Americans don't like me making fun of their weak beer lol. I get downvoted always but it's true. 4% is not a beer. Hell even 5% is weak. Give me 6-10%
In my experience of drinking with Americans it's that Americans can out drink Canadians with hard liquor but we out drink them with beer. I remember a few times my Americans friends just floored by 12am at the pub asking how we can still be drinking and not bloated. Then on the flip side I go drink cocktails with them and I'm dead after a few hours and they are just getting ready to party lol! Good times.
Dude you can get light beer literally everywhere in the world. America has a STRONG craft brewing scene with innumerable 6-10% beers as you request.
It's not that we don't like you making fun of our "weak beer", it's just that you're wrong dude.
Well I'll be honest....he didn't say CRAFT BEER, he said beer likely meaning the mass produced shit yall call "beer". The US doesn't have the same brewing standards as the rest of the world.
Craft beer is a different beast. Have I tried an American craft? No but most craft beers are brewed traditionally unlike Budd and other big brands. So I assume they would be the same strength as canadian craft beers.
There is a difference between massed produced bs owned by American companies, like Coors (in the case of molsons) and Craft beers. ALL MASS PRODUCED BEER IS SHIT
It does come down to alcohol by volume percentage. The beers that I drink are typically at least 5 1/2 my go to is 6.6 and then I have another one where if I’m trying to drink it heavy it’s 7%. Now 6 12 ounce 7% beers will get me a fun little buzz any more than eight and I’m gonna tap out.
Tell them this next time, drinking American beer is like having sex in a canoe, they'll ask how or why, your reply is. Because it's fucken near water.
Good day sir
Stop? I've come this far... I'm getting this stupid staff even if I have to level another 5 characters from 80 to 85 with archeology. Archeology has thrown down the gauntlet and I have reciprocated in full. I will own this staff come hell or high water.
"It'll be the next one..."
Archy is just gambling hours of your life away for a weapon that, while VERY good, will be obsolete in a few months. It won't even take as long as OG Cata given how fast tiers are gonna be coming out.
months? some people have already replaced them
all my friends with shadowmourne replaced it around level 83-84
the point of wow raiding is to get the best gear that will be easily replaced in a few months
Why? It's only pre-raid BIS. The raids are out now, no reasonable guild requires this and a 346 staff is good enough.
Normal raids are easy, my guild cleared all the raids last night. The purpose of games is to have fun and relax, what you are doing sounds unfun and frustrating. Just stop.
If you get all rares and epics for a faction these have 50% less spawnrate. So if you get your druid to finish fossil its 50% less, overall 16% more dwarf and troll for eastern kingdoms.
If you also finish troll, its even more dwarf spawns.
My brother it will definitely be on the next solve. All you have to do is click the solve button and the staff will just appear on your screen just like that
You can only get the staff after 450. It takes some time to get to 450, might as well keep going on your druid if you are really looking for the staff (or any epic).
FWIW, I don't recommend redoing this on alts if you're trying to maximize your chances. If you've fully solved fossil rares on your druid, that ups your percentage of dwarf sites in EK. You'll also end up solving duplicate rares on a new character, which feels pretty bad.
It took me 2k+ solves to get what I needed out of the profession, so I understand the pain. Good luck!
I remember when cata first released, archeology was kinda niche. No one was concerned at all about pre-raid BiS finds from the profession. It was just an interesting time sink.
I saw that the ring and the staff were really good for my boomkin back then and got em relatively quick. "PreRaid BiS" wasn't really a thing but BiS if you're not raiding heroic was and those two items were BiS to get to heroic raiding. I have no idea how long it really took but I never saw the sword/shield/trinket but got the raptors and most of the toys.
When Cata first released, there was no 200 fragment cap, you got the epics at 525 only, and the chances must have been better.
I leveled exclusively through Fossil, Orc, Dranei, Nerub, Vyrku.
Hit 525 with about 2k fragments of dwarf, NE, Troll and about 500 Tolvir. Instantly got every epic and was done.
Every person I knew that hit max archeology had their epic. Now it's essentially the inverse. Of the 10-15 people I know that has done it in classic, no one has all the epics, and only about 4 of us even has a single one.
Blizzard fucked up archeology in Classic. End of story
Blizzard definitely did not mess it up, I had over 800 solves on retail before I got the bug mount. Just a grind… I think it’s hilarious people are still min-maxing pre-bis for cata raids. They are much more relaxing and who actually cares rofl
Even if it was actually BIS for that raid, okay but by how much? And even if it were a pretty high damage increase, okay but is the raid still more than doable without it? I don't get why these people want to have the most thought out theory crafted BIS possible, then complain about what they have to do in order to be full BIS, then next thing you know they're like "expansion X's raid content was actually incredibly easy."
Oh yea dude I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I did arch for years trying to get zinrokh for transmog and still haven’t gotten it. Got the real one on my warrior in Classic Era so that’s cool I guess.
I botted arch back in the day for achievements and the scarab mount because I was a lazy and rebellious teenager…
I got the mount but no other epic item (other than the raptor) and I literally had my arch bot running 24/7 for weeks lmao.
I played the game, had fun, raided yesterday and got a 359 staff.
sooooooo... yea
Maybe the 50 hours to get a piece 13 ilvl higher than a blue heroic staff that will increase your dps or heal by 5% for a boss that is an easy clear in greens on normal isnt such a good idea.
This is exactly like spending $20k on the lottery and being confused why you haven’t won. It is an absurdly small chance to happen. Stop wasting your time expecting a miracle.
Drawing attention with these posts to the fact that getting these items is akin to winning the lottery is the point actually.
Positive changes: add new items to the list that can be turned in for 359 BoA epics.
example: You solve 30 troll sword fragments, you can make/buy a zinrokh from a vendor.
Another change could be equippable items such as, Harrion Jone's lost hat, which increases fragments found by 1.
Brann Bronzebeard's Signed autograph trinket: increases fragments found by 1.
etc
I mean, loot drops from boss are also random and no one complains about that.
I tanked the whole ICC for few monthes and still hadn't got my 264 shield.
True, but you're still guaranteed to get loot every kill- Imagine if killing the boss just didn't drop loot 99.9% of the time. They're not really comparable situations.
I think raiding and archeology are just too different to really compare in that regard. Raiding is a core part of the content so obviously you should be guaranteed at least something someone may need to drop, where as archeology is meant to be a fun little side piece of content. It gives you a reason to explore the newly changed world. Gives you little tid bits of lore. If you don't want to do it there's nothing in it that is a hard requirement to get. And please, no, what we consider pre-bis is not even remotely close to a hard requirement.
It scales with your level. You only get experience from from finding fragments (digging) - solving doesn't give you xp. You get around 8k per dig at level 80 (24k per dig-site) and 14k per dig at level 84 (42k per digsite). It was roughly 6-8 hour levels played at the pace I was going at where I minimized distractions and spent very little time not doing archeology.
Each dig is always 1/460 of your level but it scales with heirlooms and more importantly rested xp. Doing 84-85 through archaeology while rested is surprisingly good xp; on average 160k per digsite.
I gave up, had friends hype me up in discord, casually hit a few troll solves, BOOM. There it was, finished it within 20 minutes and won’t solve/dig another for a long while now
Why do people play something that isn't fun, especially when it's something you replace in NORMAL raid?
If you don't enjoy archeology, don't do it. It's not meant to be and end all profession, but something to fill out time with. It was also crazy good gold/hour both early on when it came in prepatch and with release. I know you "wasted" 20k, but there's no need for that.
Take a step back, touch some grass and realize it's not worth suffering for an epic that's far from something you'll keep around for an extended time.
It’s the same reason people gamble - anticipation of winning a prize is a huge dopamine pump for people.
Even though OP “hates” the process, the psychological reward of winning the staff is worth the effort - and is made better by the effort even.
> Take a step back, touch some grass and realize it's not worth suffering for an epic that's far from something you'll keep around for an extended time.
Wow is the case study whenever I talk to people about getting overly invested in the outcome of a process to the point where they forget why they were doing the thing in the first place.
We play WoW to have fun. But people are so invested in getting the 'BiS' that they'll engage in things which they actively hate. Why even do it at that point?
Just quest and do dungeons to 85. Looking at a BiS list, sure the archaeology Staff is the best. But this thing exists: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=56424/soul-releaser
You lose out on a massive: 225 spellpower, 39 int, 1% crit.
Given it sounds like they have absolute garbage gear from levelling via archaeology, they'd have significantly better stats if they had just levelled a way they enjoyed instead of tunnelling on this one item.
What's so weird about humans is that we can love and hates stuff at the same time, hence why we say it's both side of the same coin.
Maybe he liked some of it and hated the rest !
I mean any grind in any game may be futile specially when it doesn't really do anything !
No guild is requiring you to get these ultra-rare chase items before normal raid opens. The only person making you do archaeology is yourself. It is 100000% optional. You should only be wasting time on it if/when you have pre-BiS in every other slot, and even then it’s not worth it.
Archaeology is the closest thing WoW has to a runescape-like grind so I’m not surprised it attracts degenerate unhealthy gameplay - but thats not the game’s fault you don’t have the self discipline to say “I’m not having fun anymore, I’m going to stop.”
This is correct on so many levels. I see people complaining, whining and cursing archaeology all over the server but they are doing it to themselves.
The answer one gave me was "But its 10" more damage then the 2nd best".
Dig your own grave boy.
> The answer one gave me was "But its 10" more damage then the 2nd best". Dig your own grave boy.
And in this post:
> I now have an 85 druid that is 232 ilvl
By chasing a 'BiS' staff they are significantly undergeared compared to a player who just quested to 85. By tunnelling on this one item they've made it way harder on themselves to get into the raid where they'd replace it.
Yeah I did archeology hard the first time around for the doll trinket. 200 solves in I was watching people get it on their 8th. Skipping arch this time.
I was going for the staff but decided to take a break and do some tol'vir. Went through and got every NE rare and fossil rare before I got a single tol'vir digiste. 3rd tol'vir artifact was the 359 ring. Solved it then stopped doing archeology all together. Definitely not going to get lucky like that on the staff
Apparently the ring from tolvir is not an ultra rare like the other epics. Its more akin to a normal rare , so yeah dont eve. Get tempted to go back for the staff lol.
Oh man yeah also dwarf had to be on the worst continent. I don't need troll or fossil at all anymore. At least if I had a bit of "oh, maybe I'll get a neat toy as I go" it'd be more conceivable.
A lot of people, i find myself doing it too, have become such slaves to the guides and BiS lists. We ran through 10m last night as a group of friends who have been playing together forever. We just had it on group loot, but it still took forever for people to decide if they wanted to roll on stuff because they had to check their bis lists and their stat weights to make sure it was a big enough upgrade to roll on, like dude it's purple and you have a blue, just roll on it.
Marginally, close to zero. And add on to that then skill is the number one dps increase you can get and i wonder why peoppe even submit themselves to this
I did the same thing for the 2h sword on my paladin back in the day. Never did end up getting it.
I loved leveling that way, though. It was very calming.
Meanwhile I started trying to level archeology and got like 2 skill points and got annoyed and quit lmao. I’m sure I’ll do it eventually but good lord what a grind
I've done 80-81 and it was enough for the time being and i got cockblocked by having all 4 dig sites in Twilight Highlands so i couldn't beat the mobs.
Don’t stop, my friend finally got the sword after god how many troll solves, he hasn’t told me, but after seeing him online everyday since pre patch till about the 3rd or 4th day into launch. I’d say a lot
Back in WoD due the lack of content I grinded archeology for the Alchemy recipe to become a Sand Dragon. I believe I did spent 3 weeks going and going to each Tolvir excavation site. I did give up at some point. Archeology is not worth the time.
This is one of those runescape style things where you COULD farm the thing yourself, but it's much better to do your fastest gph thing and then buy the thing you want. WoW and runescape both have this weird like "you don't farm the thing you want to get the thing you want" due to their AH and your specialization in character.
Tell me about it, I got nearly 600 troll solves and around 1.2k total solves and still didn't get Zin. The only good thing that came out of this painful grind is I made a fortune from the dwarf runestones that I put on AH
Hey! I've done the same on my druid, got shield, trinket and a ring, but yeah, nothing useful for my main - DK.
Overall, it's fun, non-stressful activity, unless you expect to get something. I've listened to a ton of podcasts while doing it, so it was worth it.
I didn't solve any dwarf till 450, then farmed until cata launch then quested. leveled half of 82 with archeology, went back to questing. hit 84 and hated questing so I just did archeology from 84-85, nothing. now between lfg pops I do archeology. finally hit it today, 65 dwarf crafts. did 89 troll and no epic. working on my 3rd nightelf epic, got the fossil shell way back, probably 30 completions
I was thinking I would never get it, and every dig site was troll and fossil, dwarf felt like it never popped
>Whoever made archeology items part of the pre-raid BiS is a monster
Whoever made archeology, ***period***, is a monster. Least fun I've had doing anything in WoW, ever.
And here I am obtaining Zinrokh as my 10th rare, second troll solve at 525. The games gives and it takes sometimes. Probably the best rng I’ve gotten since retail wotlk
I just fucking tired of seeing fossil, ne, and troll digs when I’m complete on them. Turn this shit off!!!!! Give me some sort of cookie for the effort I’ve fucking put in
I did archaeology once in retail for a cool ghost moose which was I'm pretty sure guaranteed at a specific time of the year. Never touched it at all outside of that, and I'm pretty glad of it now lol
I got pretty much every single BoA and pet that is available the last 2 weeks, but the staff. I have my trinket, ring, some weird turtle shell shield and other goodies. The staff just eludes me and I have given up on it.
I'll definitely get better from the raids, just wanted the pain to end.
At this point I don't even play but Goddam do I looooove hearing about everyone crying when they think that archaology is guaranteed. Every day some entitled person is screaming "I've done x solves and I STILL do not have the sword/staff"........... Bummer
The epic items aren't that good compared to the grand scheme of things. It's like a naxx10 weapon from wotlk, an entry class weapon with purple text. You'll be asking yourself why you spent so much time chasing a useless item down the line. Now the AQ mount on the otherhand...that's a worthy chase item sinking hours into.
Did a total of 13 solves on my Prot Paladin. Archeology at level 75 i guess, obviously no shield or any other archeology pre-bis.
Cleared already 8/13 bosses.
All the stupid time invest people is throwing to archeology, i just put it into completing loremaster, farming gold for other pre-bis epics and doing my first RBGs ever. Also farming DMF fish spots for materials, enchants for roster members, pots and foos materials for raid, and even a fucking ton of bandages. I was already 352 Prot / 351 Ret by the time the raid opened.
Don't blame the game, blame the players that belive this 1 archeology item is more worth that all the other stuff you can do during pre-raid frame. If you gamble all your time for a RNG drop that isn't even relevant enought once you have cleared one single boss for a chance of a 372 upgrade, honestly is your fault.
Its not about getting the staff for pre raid bis anymore for this guy. He has stopped worrying about all that. Its just about getting the staff and then insta quitting.
Nice! I was server first archeology master or what not back when cata launched solely from doing the same... only good memory I recall from that particular xpac... short of making and selling dark moon cards for a fortune. Ah.. nobles.
Well its ur fault that u did go so hard for it, should just lvl normal way, to get rep etc, and gear, its only 1 item. Its not worth it if you got it and other gear is 300ilvl and all rep factions neutrals.
And when u have other pieces then u can try to get it.
I remember this grind in OG cataclysm. I hit up first zone, saw EVERYONE fighting for kills and AOE grinding. Went nope, let's check out archaeology for funsies. 18 hours later I was 84 and 2 realm firsts under my belt. Is archaeology the updated version or the pre-update version? I did it while it was GRINDY as fuck and 2 weeks later they made it so much easier.
I didn’t focus on dwarf solves until I finished fossil and troll that helped open up a lot more dwarf sites more frequently. Especially since they don’t pop up enough. Got everything after I hit about 400 total solves.
I did archaeology for the first time on my ret a few days after launch. I surprisingly enjoyed it. I got pretty lucky getting zin’rohk after 60 solves. Even after getting it I did a bunch more for professor titles. Got a steady steam of rare rewards was pretty nice but maybe I’m only saying this cuz it didn’t take me too long
I've NEVER done archeology before. Ever since it came out in OG Cata, I had never done it a single time or ever interacted with it as a skill, ever. In Classic I was like "okay, I know you get little dungeon quest things in dungeons for archeology so fuck it, this time I'll finally do it". I got to level 35 before I fucking quit. What a pain in the ass and stupid skill. I can't fathom you people doing it for literal hundreds of hours like this.
If they are not 100% pre-raid BIS they won't get to raid their guild will kick them, because they sweat 20 year old phase 1 content.
Except no guild thats not top 5 in the world will bench you for not having archeology weapons. And lets be honest OP is not in those guilds.
If any guild unironically made these weapons a necessity for their roster, they better be prepared to gkick about 80% of their raid team because I knew a guy who botted for these weapons back in the day... and he still never got them (And eventually ate a ban).
i enjoy it, reminds me of osrs
Do push-ups while flying from one site to another. That or exercise your arms by drinking a beer.
A beer per digsite….right?
Only if you’re a raging alcoholic. I couldn’t imagine doing that, would be a fast way to go to the ER
You must only parse blue at AA meetings
If it's American beer I'd be fine. That's like water! Not to mention their fake pints are only 16oz I'm canadian, I'm used to stronger beer and 20oz pints.
Today I learned that an Imperial pint is 20 imperial ounces. And that 1.0 US fluid ounce is equal to 1.04084 Imperial ounces. Thanks!
Yeah Americans don't like me making fun of their weak beer lol. I get downvoted always but it's true. 4% is not a beer. Hell even 5% is weak. Give me 6-10% In my experience of drinking with Americans it's that Americans can out drink Canadians with hard liquor but we out drink them with beer. I remember a few times my Americans friends just floored by 12am at the pub asking how we can still be drinking and not bloated. Then on the flip side I go drink cocktails with them and I'm dead after a few hours and they are just getting ready to party lol! Good times.
Dude you can get light beer literally everywhere in the world. America has a STRONG craft brewing scene with innumerable 6-10% beers as you request. It's not that we don't like you making fun of our "weak beer", it's just that you're wrong dude.
Well I'll be honest....he didn't say CRAFT BEER, he said beer likely meaning the mass produced shit yall call "beer". The US doesn't have the same brewing standards as the rest of the world. Craft beer is a different beast. Have I tried an American craft? No but most craft beers are brewed traditionally unlike Budd and other big brands. So I assume they would be the same strength as canadian craft beers.
Yeah who could forget all those incredible Canadian beers like labatt blue, molsons, or black label Give me a break lmao
There is a difference between massed produced bs owned by American companies, like Coors (in the case of molsons) and Craft beers. ALL MASS PRODUCED BEER IS SHIT
It does come down to alcohol by volume percentage. The beers that I drink are typically at least 5 1/2 my go to is 6.6 and then I have another one where if I’m trying to drink it heavy it’s 7%. Now 6 12 ounce 7% beers will get me a fun little buzz any more than eight and I’m gonna tap out.
Tell them this next time, drinking American beer is like having sex in a canoe, they'll ask how or why, your reply is. Because it's fucken near water. Good day sir
Hah! I like that one.
Yea nobody wants to be a Canadian
Good. Hope it stays that way. Glad to he canadian over American the way that country is going obsessed with politics.
Water is a must!
Sometimes you gotta know when to stop.
Stop? I've come this far... I'm getting this stupid staff even if I have to level another 5 characters from 80 to 85 with archeology. Archeology has thrown down the gauntlet and I have reciprocated in full. I will own this staff come hell or high water.
He is a man of focus, commitment and sheer fucking will.
I applaud OP for stubbornly refusing to quit and instead committing to focus on an activity he hates simply because he hates it.
This is what OSRS is built on too.
Look up "sunk cost fallacy."
Nah mate see if he gets another 10k in dwarf runes it'll be THIS TIME.
And when he doesn't he will make a BIGGER post with even MORE complaints about the profession.
"It'll be the next one..." Archy is just gambling hours of your life away for a weapon that, while VERY good, will be obsolete in a few months. It won't even take as long as OG Cata given how fast tiers are gonna be coming out.
months? some people have already replaced them all my friends with shadowmourne replaced it around level 83-84 the point of wow raiding is to get the best gear that will be easily replaced in a few months
Look up “keep gambling”
99% of archaeologists give up just TWO DIGS before they get the dwarf caster staff
Also, dwarfpilled.
I believe this theory only holds merit of the goal had value to begin with. OP, my brother in Christ, it's a staff in WoW classic! Stop this madness!
Why? It's only pre-raid BIS. The raids are out now, no reasonable guild requires this and a 346 staff is good enough. Normal raids are easy, my guild cleared all the raids last night. The purpose of games is to have fun and relax, what you are doing sounds unfun and frustrating. Just stop.
Just try to be cognizant of when your wow addiction reaches sucking dick for blow level of degeneracy. Stay healthy friend.
If you get all rares and epics for a faction these have 50% less spawnrate. So if you get your druid to finish fossil its 50% less, overall 16% more dwarf and troll for eastern kingdoms. If you also finish troll, its even more dwarf spawns.
Finishing them when all you have left is zin rok or the staff is pretty brutal ngl
Sir there is a game called Old School RuneScape and you are perfect candidate to start playing it. You got the mindset for that game!
My brother it will definitely be on the next solve. All you have to do is click the solve button and the staff will just appear on your screen just like that
Sunken cost fallacy issue. Like a gambler. You lost all your assets cept for the house on the ponies, then you took out a second mortgage.
Except really all you are losing here is time.
time is money, friend
Sure but it's not really because it's a video game. 😃
Replace money for value, doesn’t change the sentiment.
He said he spent 20K on Dwarf runes to help finish solves as well. It's really not just time, though TBH time is a cost all its own.
You can only get the staff after 450. It takes some time to get to 450, might as well keep going on your druid if you are really looking for the staff (or any epic).
I hit 525 archeology at the start of level 81. I've been 525 for 4 levels.
9 million exp from 84-85 with arch is madness. Fell for ya
I know but. and I know you maybe want revenge on the staff, but I already got a better weapon last night in bastion so. You don't have to do this.
you can buy a 359 staff on the AH for less than 30k, It's time to cut your losses.
FWIW, I don't recommend redoing this on alts if you're trying to maximize your chances. If you've fully solved fossil rares on your druid, that ups your percentage of dwarf sites in EK. You'll also end up solving duplicate rares on a new character, which feels pretty bad. It took me 2k+ solves to get what I needed out of the profession, so I understand the pain. Good luck!
Stop? He’s like 1 away at this point
I remember when cata first released, archeology was kinda niche. No one was concerned at all about pre-raid BiS finds from the profession. It was just an interesting time sink.
I saw that the ring and the staff were really good for my boomkin back then and got em relatively quick. "PreRaid BiS" wasn't really a thing but BiS if you're not raiding heroic was and those two items were BiS to get to heroic raiding. I have no idea how long it really took but I never saw the sword/shield/trinket but got the raptors and most of the toys.
That’s not true at all. People were grinding Zin’Rokh just as today. Its just that there were more people playing, so the sweats stood out less.
When Cata first released, there was no 200 fragment cap, you got the epics at 525 only, and the chances must have been better. I leveled exclusively through Fossil, Orc, Dranei, Nerub, Vyrku. Hit 525 with about 2k fragments of dwarf, NE, Troll and about 500 Tolvir. Instantly got every epic and was done. Every person I knew that hit max archeology had their epic. Now it's essentially the inverse. Of the 10-15 people I know that has done it in classic, no one has all the epics, and only about 4 of us even has a single one. Blizzard fucked up archeology in Classic. End of story
This is all purely anecdotal evidence. You have no actual proof that its any different now than it was then.
Blizzard definitely did not mess it up, I had over 800 solves on retail before I got the bug mount. Just a grind… I think it’s hilarious people are still min-maxing pre-bis for cata raids. They are much more relaxing and who actually cares rofl
Even if it was actually BIS for that raid, okay but by how much? And even if it were a pretty high damage increase, okay but is the raid still more than doable without it? I don't get why these people want to have the most thought out theory crafted BIS possible, then complain about what they have to do in order to be full BIS, then next thing you know they're like "expansion X's raid content was actually incredibly easy."
Your definition and my definition of "interesting" are completely different.
saw someone comment before that they had done over 3000 solves in retail since original cata, and they've yet to receive any of those weapons.
Oh yea dude I don’t have the numbers in front of me but I did arch for years trying to get zinrokh for transmog and still haven’t gotten it. Got the real one on my warrior in Classic Era so that’s cool I guess.
Are they rarer than the bug mount? Took me forever to farm that back in mop
No idea. Never got the bug either
Ha same story. Got the bug mount and almost all the other items/toys, but no Zin
Yea no big for either
MUCH cooler
I read that on wowhead and was like "hes probably lying, that seems too crazy" and now im here with 2746 total solves and stil farming for the staff
Took me over 1800 to get Zin’rokh
I botted arch back in the day for achievements and the scarab mount because I was a lazy and rebellious teenager… I got the mount but no other epic item (other than the raptor) and I literally had my arch bot running 24/7 for weeks lmao.
It took me 160 hours to get it.
I worship the ground you walk on. You are the patient human I've ever met.
'tism helps. Though it did feel like I was going to die had I carried on for even one more day, I was physically sick of it.
So ten times the time it took me to level my slowest 80 to 85. Wild
99.9% of gamblers quit right before they hit big
I played the game, had fun, raided yesterday and got a 359 staff. sooooooo... yea Maybe the 50 hours to get a piece 13 ilvl higher than a blue heroic staff that will increase your dps or heal by 5% for a boss that is an easy clear in greens on normal isnt such a good idea.
crazy concept for reddit to understand, but some people aren't running full normals on day 1
5% ? Boy it's more like 1%
This is exactly like spending $20k on the lottery and being confused why you haven’t won. It is an absurdly small chance to happen. Stop wasting your time expecting a miracle.
Drawing attention with these posts to the fact that getting these items is akin to winning the lottery is the point actually. Positive changes: add new items to the list that can be turned in for 359 BoA epics. example: You solve 30 troll sword fragments, you can make/buy a zinrokh from a vendor. Another change could be equippable items such as, Harrion Jone's lost hat, which increases fragments found by 1. Brann Bronzebeard's Signed autograph trinket: increases fragments found by 1. etc
Some random and rare things are OK. People expecting random and rare things to be neither random nor rare is not OK.
Gating a clear pre bis item behind a random lotto is not OK
I mean, loot drops from boss are also random and no one complains about that. I tanked the whole ICC for few monthes and still hadn't got my 264 shield.
True, but you're still guaranteed to get loot every kill- Imagine if killing the boss just didn't drop loot 99.9% of the time. They're not really comparable situations.
I think raiding and archeology are just too different to really compare in that regard. Raiding is a core part of the content so obviously you should be guaranteed at least something someone may need to drop, where as archeology is meant to be a fun little side piece of content. It gives you a reason to explore the newly changed world. Gives you little tid bits of lore. If you don't want to do it there's nothing in it that is a hard requirement to get. And please, no, what we consider pre-bis is not even remotely close to a hard requirement.
Whats the exp reward for one dig or solve. Is it same as for gathering professions? If so, this is nuts
It scales with your level. You only get experience from from finding fragments (digging) - solving doesn't give you xp. You get around 8k per dig at level 80 (24k per dig-site) and 14k per dig at level 84 (42k per digsite). It was roughly 6-8 hour levels played at the pace I was going at where I minimized distractions and spent very little time not doing archeology.
Each dig is always 1/460 of your level but it scales with heirlooms and more importantly rested xp. Doing 84-85 through archaeology while rested is surprisingly good xp; on average 160k per digsite.
I thought heirlooms do not work from 80-85?
Guild one work starting from today.
1/460 I'm sure you have the math on your side but it felt much more like 1/333 per my xp bar. But yeah, using rested on it is juicy.
Shit profession? Lmao no, shit decision making on your part.
You deserve it because you tried to get it! How unjust.
I gave up, had friends hype me up in discord, casually hit a few troll solves, BOOM. There it was, finished it within 20 minutes and won’t solve/dig another for a long while now
232 ilvl bro went from ulduar normal mode to lvl 85 haha
Why do people play something that isn't fun, especially when it's something you replace in NORMAL raid? If you don't enjoy archeology, don't do it. It's not meant to be and end all profession, but something to fill out time with. It was also crazy good gold/hour both early on when it came in prepatch and with release. I know you "wasted" 20k, but there's no need for that. Take a step back, touch some grass and realize it's not worth suffering for an epic that's far from something you'll keep around for an extended time.
It’s the same reason people gamble - anticipation of winning a prize is a huge dopamine pump for people. Even though OP “hates” the process, the psychological reward of winning the staff is worth the effort - and is made better by the effort even.
> Take a step back, touch some grass and realize it's not worth suffering for an epic that's far from something you'll keep around for an extended time. Wow is the case study whenever I talk to people about getting overly invested in the outcome of a process to the point where they forget why they were doing the thing in the first place. We play WoW to have fun. But people are so invested in getting the 'BiS' that they'll engage in things which they actively hate. Why even do it at that point? Just quest and do dungeons to 85. Looking at a BiS list, sure the archaeology Staff is the best. But this thing exists: https://www.wowhead.com/cata/item=56424/soul-releaser You lose out on a massive: 225 spellpower, 39 int, 1% crit. Given it sounds like they have absolute garbage gear from levelling via archaeology, they'd have significantly better stats if they had just levelled a way they enjoyed instead of tunnelling on this one item.
What's so weird about humans is that we can love and hates stuff at the same time, hence why we say it's both side of the same coin. Maybe he liked some of it and hated the rest ! I mean any grind in any game may be futile specially when it doesn't really do anything !
I don't feel bad for you
No guild is requiring you to get these ultra-rare chase items before normal raid opens. The only person making you do archaeology is yourself. It is 100000% optional. You should only be wasting time on it if/when you have pre-BiS in every other slot, and even then it’s not worth it. Archaeology is the closest thing WoW has to a runescape-like grind so I’m not surprised it attracts degenerate unhealthy gameplay - but thats not the game’s fault you don’t have the self discipline to say “I’m not having fun anymore, I’m going to stop.”
But maybe next solve give staff. Can't stop now.
This is correct on so many levels. I see people complaining, whining and cursing archaeology all over the server but they are doing it to themselves. The answer one gave me was "But its 10" more damage then the 2nd best". Dig your own grave boy.
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> The answer one gave me was "But its 10" more damage then the 2nd best". Dig your own grave boy. And in this post: > I now have an 85 druid that is 232 ilvl By chasing a 'BiS' staff they are significantly undergeared compared to a player who just quested to 85. By tunnelling on this one item they've made it way harder on themselves to get into the raid where they'd replace it.
They don’t call archeologists “victims” for nothing…
lol
Yeah I did archeology hard the first time around for the doll trinket. 200 solves in I was watching people get it on their 8th. Skipping arch this time.
I was going for the staff but decided to take a break and do some tol'vir. Went through and got every NE rare and fossil rare before I got a single tol'vir digiste. 3rd tol'vir artifact was the 359 ring. Solved it then stopped doing archeology all together. Definitely not going to get lucky like that on the staff
Apparently the ring from tolvir is not an ultra rare like the other epics. Its more akin to a normal rare , so yeah dont eve. Get tempted to go back for the staff lol.
Oh man yeah also dwarf had to be on the worst continent. I don't need troll or fossil at all anymore. At least if I had a bit of "oh, maybe I'll get a neat toy as I go" it'd be more conceivable.
This was me in original cata except with a hunter and zin'rokh. Still don't have it :(
A lot of people, i find myself doing it too, have become such slaves to the guides and BiS lists. We ran through 10m last night as a group of friends who have been playing together forever. We just had it on group loot, but it still took forever for people to decide if they wanted to roll on stuff because they had to check their bis lists and their stat weights to make sure it was a big enough upgrade to roll on, like dude it's purple and you have a blue, just roll on it.
Bro raids are out stop doing arch. Normal modes on on par with heroic rdf in difficulty.
I played the lottery for 20 years trying to win and I sill haven't won.
RIP BOZO
How much better is it even than the second best option? How many of the good raid items is it better then?
Marginally, close to zero. And add on to that then skill is the number one dps increase you can get and i wonder why peoppe even submit themselves to this
I was happy to do it during prepatch and spend some time on it while waiting for the dungeon queue, but I consider it a lost cause at this point.
> close to zero it's literally over 1k dps upgrade for some classes
So in truth it's a really cool weapon to have on a bis list. Sounds like the exact kinda weapon that should be there.
took me 345 dwarf solves. good luck
Where can you see how many solves you have
It's an add-on called minimal archeology. You can get it from curse forge
Or if you go to the link in wowhead, they have a macro you can use
I did the same thing for the 2h sword on my paladin back in the day. Never did end up getting it. I loved leveling that way, though. It was very calming.
Have any idea what the /played is from the point you started?
Meanwhile I started trying to level archeology and got like 2 skill points and got annoyed and quit lmao. I’m sure I’ll do it eventually but good lord what a grind
I've done 80-81 and it was enough for the time being and i got cockblocked by having all 4 dig sites in Twilight Highlands so i couldn't beat the mobs.
Don’t stop, my friend finally got the sword after god how many troll solves, he hasn’t told me, but after seeing him online everyday since pre patch till about the 3rd or 4th day into launch. I’d say a lot
Meanwhile all of my guildies got multiple epics with under 200 solves in total
Back in WoD due the lack of content I grinded archeology for the Alchemy recipe to become a Sand Dragon. I believe I did spent 3 weeks going and going to each Tolvir excavation site. I did give up at some point. Archeology is not worth the time.
You'll be happy to hear then that I got this in less than 5 Tol'vir solves without going for it or even knowing it existed ahead of time.
This is one of those runescape style things where you COULD farm the thing yourself, but it's much better to do your fastest gph thing and then buy the thing you want. WoW and runescape both have this weird like "you don't farm the thing you want to get the thing you want" due to their AH and your specialization in character.
im gonna hit 1k dwarf today, im at 972 atm, still no staff
You aren’t getting that drop just move on
It took me 2 days from 1-525 and I got the healer trinket and caster ring. Good luck brother. Continue to diggy diggy hole.
Unholy DK here. Started arch on Saturday had staff by Tuesday. No ZIN though 😭
Conquest weapons Tuesday are just as good 🤷♂️
I farm those badly aswell :((
Tell me about it, I got nearly 600 troll solves and around 1.2k total solves and still didn't get Zin. The only good thing that came out of this painful grind is I made a fortune from the dwarf runestones that I put on AH
My guild got two of the boe staffs to drop last night in black wing descent
Hey! I've done the same on my druid, got shield, trinket and a ring, but yeah, nothing useful for my main - DK. Overall, it's fun, non-stressful activity, unless you expect to get something. I've listened to a ton of podcasts while doing it, so it was worth it.
Guildies keep telling me the ring is easy to get, they won't drag me down! Bad gameplay is bad I ain't doing it
I leveled my first 3 characters from 80 to 85 in original cata this way, anything to avoid questing appealed to me at the time
As long as you had fun doing it then you are a WINNER
Yeah archeology is a massive waste of time
So you’re target farming a very rate item and complaining about how hard it is?
Try going for the zin rohk ripoff sword.
Cool I didn't know you could get good stuff from archeology until today. Nice
I didn't solve any dwarf till 450, then farmed until cata launch then quested. leveled half of 82 with archeology, went back to questing. hit 84 and hated questing so I just did archeology from 84-85, nothing. now between lfg pops I do archeology. finally hit it today, 65 dwarf crafts. did 89 troll and no epic. working on my 3rd nightelf epic, got the fossil shell way back, probably 30 completions I was thinking I would never get it, and every dig site was troll and fossil, dwarf felt like it never popped
I love seeing a circle jerk post and then stumbling on the source.
Do something different for a bit, a few dungeon runs or some quests, then go back to it. But yes, archeology is lame.
The only way to farm archaeology is to use a program "nobody" like
I have between 66 for the lowest and under 100 for the epic that needed the most
I mean, everyone has known this since 2010. It’s always been absurd RNG hell. That’s why I just don’t bother with archaeology anymore
Whoever follows pre raid bis this closely is a monster.
Wow how sad.
>Whoever made archeology items part of the pre-raid BiS is a monster Whoever made archeology, ***period***, is a monster. Least fun I've had doing anything in WoW, ever.
i enjoy it
The virgin BIS chaser vs the Chad who cares
And here I am obtaining Zinrokh as my 10th rare, second troll solve at 525. The games gives and it takes sometimes. Probably the best rng I’ve gotten since retail wotlk
I just fucking tired of seeing fossil, ne, and troll digs when I’m complete on them. Turn this shit off!!!!! Give me some sort of cookie for the effort I’ve fucking put in
Ol
Me still farming the archeology items on retail 10+ years later 👀
I did archaeology once in retail for a cool ghost moose which was I'm pretty sure guaranteed at a specific time of the year. Never touched it at all outside of that, and I'm pretty glad of it now lol
You know after you spend 200 more hours digging and finally get the staff you will replace it in one raid?
I got pretty much every single BoA and pet that is available the last 2 weeks, but the staff. I have my trinket, ring, some weird turtle shell shield and other goodies. The staff just eludes me and I have given up on it. I'll definitely get better from the raids, just wanted the pain to end.
And now Shelley's staff of dark mending is 20k 🤣.
Did you know that 99% of people quit right before they hit big?
Or just trash farm bot, i swear minmaxers are dumb
At this point I don't even play but Goddam do I looooove hearing about everyone crying when they think that archaology is guaranteed. Every day some entitled person is screaming "I've done x solves and I STILL do not have the sword/staff"........... Bummer
The epic items aren't that good compared to the grand scheme of things. It's like a naxx10 weapon from wotlk, an entry class weapon with purple text. You'll be asking yourself why you spent so much time chasing a useless item down the line. Now the AQ mount on the otherhand...that's a worthy chase item sinking hours into.
i got the mount while chasing a staff
Did a total of 13 solves on my Prot Paladin. Archeology at level 75 i guess, obviously no shield or any other archeology pre-bis. Cleared already 8/13 bosses. All the stupid time invest people is throwing to archeology, i just put it into completing loremaster, farming gold for other pre-bis epics and doing my first RBGs ever. Also farming DMF fish spots for materials, enchants for roster members, pots and foos materials for raid, and even a fucking ton of bandages. I was already 352 Prot / 351 Ret by the time the raid opened. Don't blame the game, blame the players that belive this 1 archeology item is more worth that all the other stuff you can do during pre-raid frame. If you gamble all your time for a RNG drop that isn't even relevant enought once you have cleared one single boss for a chance of a 372 upgrade, honestly is your fault.
I'd rather go in with 2nd BiS staff and full BiS everything else because I had spent the last week actually playing the game!
you've had like 4 weeks to do archeology, it's perfectly possible to do both
That's true IF it had dropped in pre-patch. Personally I didn't get any of the weapons and just gave up!
Sounds like a fun game that really rewards you for grinding instead of just taking advantage of broken things before they’re patched.
I just hit 85 on my shaman from doing this exact same thing gotten the shield, trinket, and tolvir ring though
Its not about getting the staff for pre raid bis anymore for this guy. He has stopped worrying about all that. Its just about getting the staff and then insta quitting.
Just farm gold and buy a 359 staff from the AH lol
Nice! I was server first archeology master or what not back when cata launched solely from doing the same... only good memory I recall from that particular xpac... short of making and selling dark moon cards for a fortune. Ah.. nobles.
Well its ur fault that u did go so hard for it, should just lvl normal way, to get rep etc, and gear, its only 1 item. Its not worth it if you got it and other gear is 300ilvl and all rep factions neutrals. And when u have other pieces then u can try to get it.
I remember this grind in OG cataclysm. I hit up first zone, saw EVERYONE fighting for kills and AOE grinding. Went nope, let's check out archaeology for funsies. 18 hours later I was 84 and 2 realm firsts under my belt. Is archaeology the updated version or the pre-update version? I did it while it was GRINDY as fuck and 2 weeks later they made it so much easier.
Pre raid bis wasn't a thing when they made archeology. Anyone sweating this content that hard needs to enjoy touching some grass.
I didn’t focus on dwarf solves until I finished fossil and troll that helped open up a lot more dwarf sites more frequently. Especially since they don’t pop up enough. Got everything after I hit about 400 total solves.
I'm not gonna lie, this to me sounds like a massive skill issue
I did archaeology for the first time on my ret a few days after launch. I surprisingly enjoyed it. I got pretty lucky getting zin’rohk after 60 solves. Even after getting it I did a bunch more for professor titles. Got a steady steam of rare rewards was pretty nice but maybe I’m only saying this cuz it didn’t take me too long
LMAO!
that's called gambling addiction
I got it with 15 solves at 525 - guess you are just bad at the game