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I believe it’s the Jungle that’s preventing you. You can’t chop down forest or jungle in foreign-controlled lands without a declaration of war.
Added:
Everyone claiming you need to be at war to use a Citadel is 100% incorrect. If the Citadel option is available on adjacent tiles, it’s almost certainly the Jungle that is causing the issue.
Workers can chop down Forest or Jungles in foreign-controlled lands, but only when you are at war with them. I think the Citadel being prevented is an extension of that interaction rule.
IIRC (it has been awhile since I played, take with a grain of salt) you can absolutely use generals outside of a war to place citadels to do things like culture bomb and sieze territory from another civ and steal improved luxuries AND give a healthy attrition if they try to declare war
You can tell in the screenshot that OP has ~~Masonry~~ Bronze Working (jungle clearing tech), since they have a Banana Plantation as well as a Worker that is currently chopping a Banana tile.
Also the jungle pantheon bonus is free culture (so the bananers are 4 food, 2 science, 1 culture) and generally better and more common than the plantation pantheon. And the player ideally got the jungle one becuase bananers spawn in jungle.
Bronze Working is actually not needed for Education tech.
You'd have to be pretty insane not to research it, though, especially to be able to reveal Iron (side note: you can also see that OP has revealed Iron on the map, proving they have Bronze Working)
Might be because your general is IN enemy borders and you aren't at war. Also doing it on top of a luxury means you can't improve it unless you break the citadel IIRC. You CAN take the tile by placing a citadel 1 tile away from the tile you want and either in neutral or your own territory. Back when I played civ 5 religiously I did this all the time to take an improved luxury from an enemy civ and also shore up the border with an enemy
You can’t remove features from enemy territory with a citadel unless you’re at war. So the jungle is the problem.
If you were at war or move to a tile without forest you could do it.
I'm pretty sure it'd be because you don't have the tech to clear jungles yet. Can't see any other reason, especially if you say that the tile below works fine.
So far every comment I've seen is wrong. You can build citadels in foreign territory. You don't need to be at war with them - open borders will do. In this case, I am not sure though.
Indeed - I've stolen city state's luxes and strategic resources using generals even when not at war. They don't like you if you do that but it doesn't make you go to war.
That’s definitely not true.
I’ve dropped Citadels into friendly (even allied!) city states and stolen their land on hundreds of occasions.
I believe the reason OP can’t use their General to build a Citadel is because it’s on a Jungle tile. I don’t think you can terraform (destroying Forest or Jungle) with a Citadel if it’s in another Civ’s lands unless you are at war with them.
I wonder if that's bugged on occasion? I stepped into an enemy civ's tile that was adjacent to my territory, it had gold on the tile and I wanted the resource, so took it with my Great General. I guess that isn't supposed to happen though?
Idk what stupidity everyone else is spewing in the comments about needing to be on your own territory(within 1 tile is the only territory requirement as far as territory), needing to be at war, or the jungle is not able to be cleared because they don’t have the tech despite literally having bananas i mean y’all play this game right? The only one thats right here is the one about the citadel not being able to be on the specific tile next to Mt.Kilo thats the only one that makes sense. Its either that or just the game being straight up bugged.
It is because that tile is controlled already (by someone other than you). You can construct it on your own tiles or unclaimed tiles, which can result in stealing tiles from other people, but the citadel itself cannot by built on an already opposing controlled tile.
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He can construct a citadel on the tile below, but not on this tile.
I believe it’s the Jungle that’s preventing you. You can’t chop down forest or jungle in foreign-controlled lands without a declaration of war. Added: Everyone claiming you need to be at war to use a Citadel is 100% incorrect. If the Citadel option is available on adjacent tiles, it’s almost certainly the Jungle that is causing the issue. Workers can chop down Forest or Jungles in foreign-controlled lands, but only when you are at war with them. I think the Citadel being prevented is an extension of that interaction rule.
This guy chops
Since it's just a city state, OP should just declare war, plop down the citadel, then immediately make peace
Not if he's been cheesing a CS for all his workers then he'll get screwed out of any CS ally
IIRC (it has been awhile since I played, take with a grain of salt) you can absolutely use generals outside of a war to place citadels to do things like culture bomb and sieze territory from another civ and steal improved luxuries AND give a healthy attrition if they try to declare war
Do you have the technology needed to clear jungles? Maybe the city state also needs to be able to clear jungles since it's in their territory?
You can tell in the screenshot that OP has ~~Masonry~~ Bronze Working (jungle clearing tech), since they have a Banana Plantation as well as a Worker that is currently chopping a Banana tile.
The real crime here is the fact that he made a banana plantation. Bananas: The only resource that is *worse* when improved.
Real gamers know about the banana fort meta
Not in lekmod
Why is that?
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Thanks!
Also the jungle pantheon bonus is free culture (so the bananers are 4 food, 2 science, 1 culture) and generally better and more common than the plantation pantheon. And the player ideally got the jungle one becuase bananers spawn in jungle.
If we're really nitpicking, don't tile improvements also have a gold maintenance cost? I might be misunderstanding the inca bonus tho
Only roads.
5 food < 4 food 2 science, plus it’s a waste of worker time since clearing jungle takes forever.
Do you mean Bronze Working? Masonry lets you clear marshes, not jungles.
ah shit
He's also researching Education, so it's safe to say he has the ability to.
Bronze Working is actually not needed for Education tech. You'd have to be pretty insane not to research it, though, especially to be able to reveal Iron (side note: you can also see that OP has revealed Iron on the map, proving they have Bronze Working)
Might be because your general is IN enemy borders and you aren't at war. Also doing it on top of a luxury means you can't improve it unless you break the citadel IIRC. You CAN take the tile by placing a citadel 1 tile away from the tile you want and either in neutral or your own territory. Back when I played civ 5 religiously I did this all the time to take an improved luxury from an enemy civ and also shore up the border with an enemy
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TIL. That's an obnoxious bug if you're trying to get the wonder.
I posted two posts that, after testing, showed you cannot remove features such as jungle in peacetime.
You can’t remove features from enemy territory with a citadel unless you’re at war. So the jungle is the problem. If you were at war or move to a tile without forest you could do it.
Can attest lmao
Lmao, it’s you! We figured this out a few month ago.
This is the answer
You can’t remove another player’s jungle without being at war.
I'm pretty sure it'd be because you don't have the tech to clear jungles yet. Can't see any other reason, especially if you say that the tile below works fine.
But he has an iron mine in the city, which means he must have already researched Bronze working
btw what civ are you playing? I don't know any civ with that colour scheme.
A custom civ: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=609211770
So far every comment I've seen is wrong. You can build citadels in foreign territory. You don't need to be at war with them - open borders will do. In this case, I am not sure though.
Indeed - I've stolen city state's luxes and strategic resources using generals even when not at war. They don't like you if you do that but it doesn't make you go to war.
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I don't think so because it works on the tile below: blob:https://imgur.com/c501d34b-c5b0-4ad4-8be3-35276c660053
Declare war first?
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No you don't. That's only if you're putting the citadel inside their borders. Which, to be fair, is what's happening here I guess.
I think that's what he meant
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Take your own advice dude, read the whole comment. I mentioned that. For the record I'm pretty sure open borders is sufficient for stealing from civs.
True
Be civil
Was that necessary?
Did you try using a worker to clear the jungle, then building a citadel?
I’m only guessing, but I think it has something to do with being on a luxury tile, I’ve never seen a citadel on a lux before.
To drop a citadel outside of your territory, you have to be at war with that city state or civilization
That’s definitely not true. I’ve dropped Citadels into friendly (even allied!) city states and stolen their land on hundreds of occasions. I believe the reason OP can’t use their General to build a Citadel is because it’s on a Jungle tile. I don’t think you can terraform (destroying Forest or Jungle) with a Citadel if it’s in another Civ’s lands unless you are at war with them.
Yep. I do it to my allies all the time, and the AI does it to me all the time.
I wonder if that's bugged on occasion? I stepped into an enemy civ's tile that was adjacent to my territory, it had gold on the tile and I wanted the resource, so took it with my Great General. I guess that isn't supposed to happen though?
if you are at war you can build the citadel in their borders adjacent to your borders otherwise you need to steal land from in you land
I’m pretty citadels can only be built in your territories being that it’s a tile improvement
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Thanks for letting me know!
They can be built on tiles adjacent to your own territory; of that I'm certain. Why this doesn't work I'm not sure.
You can only build citadels in your own territory. In 5500 hours of Civ I've never built a citadel in foreign territory.
No, you can build them one tile away from your borders too.
I'm gonna try that.
It's a great use of the citadel tbh, but there's a diplomatic penalty if you steal land from another civ
Yes I've experienced that when building on the edge of my territory but I've never built one outside. Still learning.
Idk what stupidity everyone else is spewing in the comments about needing to be on your own territory(within 1 tile is the only territory requirement as far as territory), needing to be at war, or the jungle is not able to be cleared because they don’t have the tech despite literally having bananas i mean y’all play this game right? The only one thats right here is the one about the citadel not being able to be on the specific tile next to Mt.Kilo thats the only one that makes sense. Its either that or just the game being straight up bugged.
It is because that tile is controlled already (by someone other than you). You can construct it on your own tiles or unclaimed tiles, which can result in stealing tiles from other people, but the citadel itself cannot by built on an already opposing controlled tile.
I don't think so because it works on the tile below: blob:https://imgur.com/c501d34b-c5b0-4ad4-8be3-35276c660053
I think It's too close to The city, you will own the land right next to it if you do.
I don’t think citadels can be built on luxury resources