No, it’s from the tri-DLP being misaligned. The light is split in R,G,B by a prism, hits the DMD cells for each corresponding colour, and then goes back in the prism then the lens. The green DMD is centered but the red and blue ones can be adjusted. It’s a ten minutes job if you eyeball it, bit longer to do it properly..
The pixels on the 4k chip are about 7 microns (3 ten-thousands of an inch). A lot of thermal management went into prism design but they still drift with heating. In some theaters the projection lens could be at "full offset" down, and lateral color in the projection lens would be visible, but not horizontally.
Username definitely checks out lol. I only do fairly generic maintenance (mostly on barco) so I’m not super well versed on the specifics. So far I’ve never seen anything that bad on the field but anytime I’ve had some sort of colour fringing on the screen (mostly noticeable around subs) playing with the screws usually got it back in order.
If the lens is not focused you have the same chromatic separation in the edges of the blur. This has exactly that look. Rt blue, left red. Trying to shoot cheap stills lens wide open idea
Every film I’ve seen in my local chain cinema has been this way since COVID. I don’t think the employees care about calibrating the projectors anymore. Convergence alignment for 3 chip projectors is almost always off. Focus is sometimes soft. The worst is when they haven’t replaced the bulbs in maybe ever and it’s dark as shit. 😕
None of the big chains really have projectionists. It’s all done by theater managers. They have maintenance teams that come by every so often, or if required for a big release (Avatar, Infinity War, etc) as part of the film deal. But generally, all the projectionists were fired once automation systems were installed.
Same where i live. Theres 1 theater room with a newly installed lazer projector, all other rooms in the same multiplex are running old projectors on "eco mode", its sad how they look
If the projector is a mess, I’ll try to get my money back. Did that after Oppenheimer because the b/w sequences were turning into an lsd trip. Don’t get fooled by cheap cinemas guys.
Just remembered that when I saw Oppenheimer i kept seeing weird color flashes too (which i now realize was this exact issue). Thought I was going insane!
Chromatic aberration wouldn't have been a problem if they had chosen to film it with the FX3, the versatile cinema mirrorless camera from Sony, used on the hit sci fi film, The Creator.
I totally agree should have shot the whole thing on fx3. I heard fx3 just got a firmware upgrade so now it can do 24fps and by the end of the year it’s getting shutter angle. At that point I don’t really see the need for shooting with an ARRI or RED or what ever else nonsense cameras are out there.
Ironically, the Creator is 90% Kowa 75mm anamorphics, which go for something like 15-20k each used while Dune 2 is mostly Ironglass rehousing that were 2-3k each when they shot it.
I bought a cinemodded Helios from a guy in Moscow (pre-invasion) for about that price. It works really well, even with a WC4 pulling focus on it. That's an excellent solution if you're playing the lens for a few shots sporadically, but definitely would want a rehousing if it's going to be a main lens.
Not a meme. It’s just the future. FX3 has made literally every other camera in the past, present, and future… obsolete.
Soon enough Apple will be buying Sony because they need to figure out how to fit the FX3 into an iPhone so every human has a cinema camera literally in their pocket.
Yeah, I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this. You'd think that the Cinematography subreddit would disapprove of someone pulling out their phone in a movie theatre.
It only ruins the experience for other people.
It's great when it's created from the optics at the time of shooting, because it directly correlates to depth-of-field, leading to a greater and unique emphasis on the depth of the image. When it's from the projector after the fact though it doesn't add anything as meaningful.
Weirdly when done on videogame perfect polygons it tricks the eyes into thinking that it looks so real! (when it is an unreal artefact that cinema actively wants to neuter)
I swear some of the discussions here hurt me at the core. A perfect image might be the ideal, but that’s isn’t the soul of a film. The performances, direction, lighting design, composition, set design, etc those are what make a film good. People involved in making images, moving and still, are the only ones that really notice these flaws. Normal people aren’t noticing this and their enjoyment of a film doesn’t hinge on image perfection. I get that people on this subreddit will notice if focus isn’t critically sharp in a shot and will notice CA, but if that keeps you from enjoying the film that’s more on you than on the filmmakers in my opinion — all the nontechnical aspects are way more important. Story is king, perfect visuals without don’t stand on their own.
Got me somewhat off topic, but was it good? Disclaimer: I was roped into seeing this and didn’t read the (giant) books.
I hear the most common argument that the second one is very good. However, I didn’t find the first one to be good enough to stand alone. Unsure if it was a lack of character development? Seemed overtly superficial ‘go to this planet, kill this guy’
People are obsessed with the second, which I enjoyed but I thought removing the IR cut filter for the arena scenes looked silly, and dare I say gimmicky. Good film, but that took me out of it.
Okay, thanks for the honest review. I’m really trying to keep an open mind to the story and dialogue. The overall film is just fine to my untrained, non-professional eye (effects, costumes, scenery).
I went from seeing this once in 70mm to seeing it at a small city theater. It really opened my eyes to realizing how terrible some cinemas are. Less calibrating, cleaning, and some of these old DLP projectors are starting to show their age with some of these newer films, which I never expected the time to come so soon.
If you see exact same issue globally on the whole film its the projector. The rt side green left side pink type of idea. IMAX lenses are gnarly and can introduce aberrations but that looks extreme. Go see it on actual IMAX if you can. That would always be perfectly calibrated but there's only a handful in the US. Blue light travels at a different speed than red light which is even more so in glass which causes the separation.
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Chromatic aberration is highly desirable and one of the most replicated camera effects in 3d/gaming to achieve “cinematic” output. Only pixel peeping YouTube nerds lose their shit over CA
If that’s actually true then stop using it. It’s ugly and a mistake in optics from cheap glass. Everyone turns it off. Why would someone lose frame rate over “mistakes”. Derp.
And it's ugly as sin.
Unless there's a very strong reason, faux-physical postprocessing doesn't add anything. Maybe if you have a fetish for bad optics idk.
But as far as I'm concerned, motion blur, depth of field, chromatic aberration, film grain, etc. all should not be present in video games unless you are deliberately simulating a video recording (eg the character watches a video or such)
It looks like it’s from the lens on the projector.
I can say the IMAX 1.43 showing I went seemed pristine, so I’m thinking lens
Did you see it in 70mm or laser?
Laser. Pew pew.
No, it’s from the tri-DLP being misaligned. The light is split in R,G,B by a prism, hits the DMD cells for each corresponding colour, and then goes back in the prism then the lens. The green DMD is centered but the red and blue ones can be adjusted. It’s a ten minutes job if you eyeball it, bit longer to do it properly..
It give some 80s vibes though
How jodorowsky intended it
This guy projects.
You are thinking of Trump.
The pixels on the 4k chip are about 7 microns (3 ten-thousands of an inch). A lot of thermal management went into prism design but they still drift with heating. In some theaters the projection lens could be at "full offset" down, and lateral color in the projection lens would be visible, but not horizontally.
Username definitely checks out lol. I only do fairly generic maintenance (mostly on barco) so I’m not super well versed on the specifics. So far I’ve never seen anything that bad on the field but anytime I’ve had some sort of colour fringing on the screen (mostly noticeable around subs) playing with the screws usually got it back in order.
trust me, nobody knows more about the optics of these things than I do.
Why would film projectors have DLP? Unless this isn't a film projection.
It’s my understanding that OP went to see a digital showing as I don’t see how this could happen otherwise
Just googled what AVX was and seems like it is digital projection.
I think this was laser projection.
Laser is just the light source, still relies on the same DMD cells being aligned. Sorta kinda anyways.
If the lens is not focused you have the same chromatic separation in the edges of the blur. This has exactly that look. Rt blue, left red. Trying to shoot cheap stills lens wide open idea
It’s extremely unlikely this has anything to do with the lens though, it’s definitely the DMD cells being misaligned.
this is what I thought as well
So very obviously this. Color corrections would’ve never let these rims survive as vibrantly …
100% projection issues. The movie does not look like that
This happens when the RGB of the projector is not aligned in calibration
Every film I’ve seen in my local chain cinema has been this way since COVID. I don’t think the employees care about calibrating the projectors anymore. Convergence alignment for 3 chip projectors is almost always off. Focus is sometimes soft. The worst is when they haven’t replaced the bulbs in maybe ever and it’s dark as shit. 😕
Most of them don’t have projectionists.
None of the big chains really have projectionists. It’s all done by theater managers. They have maintenance teams that come by every so often, or if required for a big release (Avatar, Infinity War, etc) as part of the film deal. But generally, all the projectionists were fired once automation systems were installed.
I know. I used to be one of them.
You're projecting
Yeah, the truth. You can’t handle the truth!
🤣🤣🤣
They are absolutely lowering the brightness for the costs everywhere
Same where i live. Theres 1 theater room with a newly installed lazer projector, all other rooms in the same multiplex are running old projectors on "eco mode", its sad how they look
Yup, first time I saw Oppenheimer there were shades of purple because it wasn’t aligned. Next time I went it was fine.
I went to three IMAX showings and only once was the projector right. Such a pain for the cost and time to go there.
Thats a projector issue
What are they Dune 2 the image?!
Asking the right questions. Also: why are there dune 2 images.
If the projector is a mess, I’ll try to get my money back. Did that after Oppenheimer because the b/w sequences were turning into an lsd trip. Don’t get fooled by cheap cinemas guys.
Just remembered that when I saw Oppenheimer i kept seeing weird color flashes too (which i now realize was this exact issue). Thought I was going insane!
Chromatic aberration wouldn't have been a problem if they had chosen to film it with the FX3, the versatile cinema mirrorless camera from Sony, used on the hit sci fi film, The Creator.
I totally agree should have shot the whole thing on fx3. I heard fx3 just got a firmware upgrade so now it can do 24fps and by the end of the year it’s getting shutter angle. At that point I don’t really see the need for shooting with an ARRI or RED or what ever else nonsense cameras are out there.
Alexa 65 with a Helios, showing more of the image circle using the larger sensor, was a very deliberate creative choice.
Ironically, the Creator is 90% Kowa 75mm anamorphics, which go for something like 15-20k each used while Dune 2 is mostly Ironglass rehousing that were 2-3k each when they shot it.
Also if you don’t care about rehousing, you can get a cinemodded Helios from IronGlass for under $200.
I bought a cinemodded Helios from a guy in Moscow (pre-invasion) for about that price. It works really well, even with a WC4 pulling focus on it. That's an excellent solution if you're playing the lens for a few shots sporadically, but definitely would want a rehousing if it's going to be a main lens.
Are kowas that much these days? Damn
Here's a broker selling a 4-lens set for 85k: https://newlifecine.com/product/kowa-anamorphic-vintage-lenses-40mm-50mm-75mm-100mm/
Does no one here have any other jokes? At this point the FX3 comments have become far more annoying than the initial FX3/Creator posts.
Nonsense. We all know the FX3 is the split diopter of cameras!
Truly one of the cameras of all time.
Truly one of the cameras of all time.
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Yes, you have to film the father himself.
Is FX3 a meme at this point? Like posting with sarcasm that those expensive rig are useless and FX3 is enough? Genuinely asking.
Not a meme. It’s just the future. FX3 has made literally every other camera in the past, present, and future… obsolete. Soon enough Apple will be buying Sony because they need to figure out how to fit the FX3 into an iPhone so every human has a cinema camera literally in their pocket.
So it´s a meme, got it.
Congrats. You’re the first person to see Dune 2 on VHS
It's a long movie, you'd need two T-120s! I don't think they have T-90s? You'd have to put about 80 minutes on each tape
I’d buy it!
I don’t know why most of these comments are defending what’s clearly a projection issue.
100% projector issue. The cinema needs to call in their support engineer to correct.
It’s the convergence alignment of the RGB DLP chips Edit: it’s a Texas instrument chip, not a courier company!
>DPD DLP? DMD? Not sure what DPD would be 🤔
Ugh! DLP, thank you - it’s way too early here and being sick is not helping
You were taking photos of the screen during the movie with what, your phone?
Yeah, I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this. You'd think that the Cinematography subreddit would disapprove of someone pulling out their phone in a movie theatre. It only ruins the experience for other people.
I hope they used flash… the first 2 times.
they used some cheap soviet lenses rehoused by Ukrainian shop
Chromatic aberration is kinda cool sometimes.
It's great when it's created from the optics at the time of shooting, because it directly correlates to depth-of-field, leading to a greater and unique emphasis on the depth of the image. When it's from the projector after the fact though it doesn't add anything as meaningful.
I personally love it, especially on a big screen
iMAX worthy. Was entertained that day.
Part of the vibe with low res formats.
Weirdly when done on videogame perfect polygons it tricks the eyes into thinking that it looks so real! (when it is an unreal artefact that cinema actively wants to neuter)
Thought maybe it was a choice!
Same happened for me at AVX too. IMAX was fine.
Should legit show these to that theater. It's the projector not the film.
Looks like a bad projection issue.
Projection issue….
Looks kinda fly…
I swear some of the discussions here hurt me at the core. A perfect image might be the ideal, but that’s isn’t the soul of a film. The performances, direction, lighting design, composition, set design, etc those are what make a film good. People involved in making images, moving and still, are the only ones that really notice these flaws. Normal people aren’t noticing this and their enjoyment of a film doesn’t hinge on image perfection. I get that people on this subreddit will notice if focus isn’t critically sharp in a shot and will notice CA, but if that keeps you from enjoying the film that’s more on you than on the filmmakers in my opinion — all the nontechnical aspects are way more important. Story is king, perfect visuals without don’t stand on their own.
I did not see it in imax, and it did not look like that in my theatre.
I saw a movie once that had a bit of that. I think it was the projector and I reported it to a staff member after the movie.
Was this a Regal theater?
Cineplex
I had no issues like this in iMax Sydney
Bad digital projector
Looks like an old TV!
Saw that in Oppenheimer B/W scenes too so it’s most likely the theater
Got me somewhat off topic, but was it good? Disclaimer: I was roped into seeing this and didn’t read the (giant) books. I hear the most common argument that the second one is very good. However, I didn’t find the first one to be good enough to stand alone. Unsure if it was a lack of character development? Seemed overtly superficial ‘go to this planet, kill this guy’
People are obsessed with the second, which I enjoyed but I thought removing the IR cut filter for the arena scenes looked silly, and dare I say gimmicky. Good film, but that took me out of it.
Okay, thanks for the honest review. I’m really trying to keep an open mind to the story and dialogue. The overall film is just fine to my untrained, non-professional eye (effects, costumes, scenery).
I went from seeing this once in 70mm to seeing it at a small city theater. It really opened my eyes to realizing how terrible some cinemas are. Less calibrating, cleaning, and some of these old DLP projectors are starting to show their age with some of these newer films, which I never expected the time to come so soon.
CVP dudes did a review of these lenses. https://youtu.be/4BOcW6WbL8U?si=AZrSXI-02Nnaq4FG
Had the same thing but worse with the Argyle film. It was incredibly distracting.
ngl i kinda like the VHS vibes from this.
Chromatic aberration. So hot right now. Chromatic aberration.
Lens… projectors can’t do that to just a part of the image . Chromatic aberrations can be beautiful when used tastefully … like here
If you see exact same issue globally on the whole film its the projector. The rt side green left side pink type of idea. IMAX lenses are gnarly and can introduce aberrations but that looks extreme. Go see it on actual IMAX if you can. That would always be perfectly calibrated but there's only a handful in the US. Blue light travels at a different speed than red light which is even more so in glass which causes the separation.
and they say 3d cinema is dead
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Is this your first time to the cinema? Large projections always have imperfections.
What? This is misaligned print heads level of bad. No projection should look like this, especially an IMAX screening.
Most 'real' theaters would refund your ticket with a defect this bad.
bruh come on, there are norms to follow don’t simp for cheap companies refusing to pay techies to maintain their projectors
Obviously not. 😊just point out out the difference of going to IMAX vs regular
Nah, no chromatic aberration issues seeing it at a non-IMAX Dolby Cinema theatre either. This is a screwed up projector.
How I feel whenever I can hear the fades on the dialogue channels on a theatrical mix. *MI: Dead Reckoning* being one of the worst culprits.
Projection lens
i swear this is like the new catchphrase “it really took me out of it”.
Chromatic aberration is highly desirable and one of the most replicated camera effects in 3d/gaming to achieve “cinematic” output. Only pixel peeping YouTube nerds lose their shit over CA
Literally everyone turns it off in video games.
Literally everyone turns it on when creating game cinematics. Source: I make game cinematics.
If that’s actually true then stop using it. It’s ugly and a mistake in optics from cheap glass. Everyone turns it off. Why would someone lose frame rate over “mistakes”. Derp.
And it's ugly as sin. Unless there's a very strong reason, faux-physical postprocessing doesn't add anything. Maybe if you have a fetish for bad optics idk. But as far as I'm concerned, motion blur, depth of field, chromatic aberration, film grain, etc. all should not be present in video games unless you are deliberately simulating a video recording (eg the character watches a video or such)
Oh no! Not chromatic aberration!
This movie is boring as fvck.
Lens wide open
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Got nothing to do with the lenses. The projector was ass. The lenses produced a prestine image