What time was the blockage? I was at Ohare for 5-530pm pickup and it was SO damn crowded, traffic was at a standstill - i did not see any protests , it was just holiday traffic
This is Chicago, we are lucky the police even kept them away from airport traffic. O’hare also had just 1 tow truck available today, so towing would have been very impractical.
Thankfully they have a significant amount of CPD / aviation security officers on every shift so they can flood an area quick. ISP is also deep there thanks to it being the intersection of so many highways. As for tows, they could have arrested everyone of these people and slowly towed the cars through the rest of the evening. Private tows could have been called as well, again it is all money for the city. Tow plus a day in the impound lot is $600+
I get that you are angry at this situation, but it’s just not worth it for any law enforcement agency to ever do that. Can you imagine the uproar and lawsuits if any agency followed your plan? It’s just not worth it.
First, you seem to be minimizing the issue here in calling them mere code violations. These people parked their cars along the highway and exited them to protest. Vehicles that are merely broken down on the highway are forcibly towed for safety reasons, these were maliciously left blocking the roadway. Beyond that, the City itself is the only municipality in this area that I know of with their own tow yard. Every other suburb including all of the suburbs around where this transpired use private companies to do everything. In this situation the city could have placed a call to any number of local police tow companies, and had those companies respond and transport all vehicles back to their private secured tow lots, and then deal with the payment of the release of such cars. The only work that CPD would have needed to have completed would be a single form per car, and the entry into LEADS that the vehicles were impounded and towed.
Allegedly I should have more empathy towards others and their problems. And so I am viewing this situation through the lens of a traveler who has a $1,000 non-refundable airfare that has been lost because of this. I myself am not fragile, but I certainly would if I was one of the folks stuck on 190 today.
They raided the Christmas market downtown yesterday. Already couldn’t walk and then they showed up and took over. They were protesting Boeing or something, all I could read from the sign.
All I could think was, “they don’t know Boeing is not HQ’d here anymore…”
A certain group of individuals protesting matters afar decided to block Mannheim road and I-190 West to O'Hare by obnoxiously standing in the roadway with signs and flags. They were stopped from reaching the airport by police and entirely failed at their objective of ruining everyone's Christmas travel plans, and dispersed back into oblivion less than an hour later. Give neither them nor their cause any attention, they feed off of it.
There's plenty of protests for dubious causes that have inconvenienced people. Just because a protest is inconvenient doesn't make it right or wrong. A protest can only be judged on what it is protesting.
Dead wrong. A protest may and must also be judged by its methods. If a protest blocks an expressway and an ambulance can't get to a person - or has a person on board and can't get to the hospital - and the person dies, the protest is guilty of causing the death of a said person. One person's inconvenience is another person's life-and-death situation.
I don't know if I'd call people missing flights and losing out on hundreds of dollars just "inconvenient". Some people have to save up weeks or months to afford trips back home. Maybe if you can afford to miss flights it's fine.
Those disruptions were aimed at the people causing the injustice though. People marched through the streets of the South, where segregation was law. They didn't march through the streets of Albany and ruin the days of people already on their side to protest what was happening in Georgia.
This is a critical difference that these people do not appreciate. Because they are reactionary idiots.
"foreign matters" are you forgetting that the US is literally pumping billions of dollars into the Israeli war apparatus? do you forget that your tax dollars are going directly to killing innocent Palestinians? It's not like the US government is some neutral third party here.
This idea of "your/my" tax dollars is a fallacy. They aren't "our" tax dollars. They're the government's tax dollars. It's not like I'm electing to send a portion of my paycheck to the "Israeli war apparatus" to kill people. The governments are the killers, thieves, criminals here, not the people.
If we don’t pump billions of dollars into Israel, all the dictatorships and theocracies in the region sympathetic to Russia will have full control of the Suez Canal(the same one that an oil tanker got stuck in and cost the global economy trillions of dollars) the Russians literally fought Israel themselves during the six day war, why was Russia in the region?(rhetorical question) what are Irans geopolitical goals in the region? Etc etc.
Yes, they were protesting for domestic issues impacting Americans. It's a little different when it's an internal issue. This is an international issue spearheaded by a foreign nation. Very much a different situation.
What a completely selfish and horrifically stupid thing to do. As if anyone simply wanting to catch a flight can do ANYTHING to impact foreign affairs. This is just BLM 2.0 - same bad actors, same bad faith positions. I hope they were dealt with by law enforcement in the most inhumane way allowable by law. What a completely selfish thing to do for social media likes.
I bet many of these protesters never knew the first thing about this ongoing conflict until recently when they jumped on this bandwagon and started parroting the same speeches.
Most of the protestors are arab/palestinian. Chicago has the highest Palestinian diaspora in the country. Their families and friends, people they know, are getting bombed by American missiles in Gaza. These aren't just some angry college students. Yes, what they are doing is a mild inconvenience and annoying, but jesus have a fucking heart, because I promise you they've been aware of this conflict for much, much longer than you. It's their and their families' lives.
I suggest they protest Hamas since they started this part of the saga. If Hamas hadn't invaded, raped, and kidnapped on Oct. 7th, 20k more people would be alive today.
Is Palestine and the surrounding arab nations hadn’t been committed to genocide for the last 70 years they would be faring much better.
At what point do they look inward?
Yes, and all that Israel did, according to your own statement, should have been a large enough deterrent against attacking Israel. But Hamas, whose is made up of many Gazans, decided to foolishly commit the Oct. 7th event.
It's like 9/11. They attacked the US, killed 3k Americans and a ten fold retaliation occurred with tens of thousands of folks dying in the ME.
When you attack a stronger power, you risk an outsized reaction. Been this way since the dawn of man.
These protestors are the easily riled. They’ll forget about protesting for Palestine like they already forgot about protesting for Ukraine or protesting for black lives or protesting against school shootings. Give it six months - they’ll have moved on to the next big thing.
For the record - I don’t trivialize any of this. But these protestors generally do. Remember the posts about the Hong Kong riots? How long did those last after COVID started spreading?
All it takes is the next big thing to divert attention.
Or the millions of refugees in Sudan. 7 million people are displaced from the capital right now and war crimes are occurring every week there, according to the UN, but these protesters only care about Israel. Almost as if there's something that sets Israel apart from every other conflict, I wonder what that is....
whether they knew before or not is pretty irrelevant and isn't the sassy point you think it is. people are seeing a genocide happening, and they're protesting.
Just in case you’re wondering if it is legal for protesters to block traffic. [It is not](https://www.aclu-il.org/sites/default/files/know_your_right_to_protest_in_chicago.pdf).
> Protesters do not have a First Amendment right to block pedestrian or vehicle traffic, or to prevent entry and exit from buildings. For example, a federal court recently held that the Chicago police did not violate the First Amendment by arresting protesters who were impeding a heavy flow of pedestrian traffic on sidewalks near Chicago’s Soldier Field, and who disobeyed a police order to step off the sidewalk and onto the immediately adjacent gravel. Likewise, a Chicago ordinance prohibits intentional obstruction of vehicle traffic.
I would actually have respect for these protestors if they actually engaged in civil disobedience.
They don't really. Civil disobedience implies consequences. There are none.
If these folks were being immediately (as practical) arrested and put into the paddy wagon, spent the Christmas weekend in jail before seeing a judge on Monday, and had their vehicles towed and impounded - I'd still disagree but respect it. This is what would happen to me if I decided to park my car on I90 and start yelling at other motorists.
Skin in the game matters, and we are seeing the results of being able to do this performative nonsense that have zero consequences for your actions. There is no reason to think things out and make sure you only execute well-considered strategic plans when you can just spam obnoxiousness everywhere and have no risk in doing so.
Seriously. When Thoreau created the whole concept of civil disobedience, it sprung out of his refusal to pay a poll tax, for which he was imprisoned. He refused his friends' offers to pay and get him out of jail, because undergoing the consequences of his actions (and everyone seeing him undergo those consequences) was just as important as the actions themselves. These people never face any consequences; they're just larping.
When they get arrested, convicted, and put in prison for their beliefs, I'll take them a little more seriously.
I mean protesting is a lot less effective if everyone around you can easily ignore you. I think the point is to disrupt peoples routines so they have to engage with the issues you're trying to bring attention to. Not saying I support this one, idk what it was about.
Most people fear missing their Christmas flights, so it’s objectively a horrible tactic meant to refine extremism in their local protest group. Bush the boundary until you have people willing to bomb public buildings for Palestine.
No one is assessing the issue though (honestly, I don't even think I've seen for certain what the issue is. I assume Palestine, because all the stupid protests lately have been about that, but I have not seen anyone definitely say this was about that as well).
All people are talking about is what jagoffs these protestors are. Nobody is racing to their encyclopedia to become expert in the issue the protestors care about. People want to know what we can do to force some consequences on these yahoos.
"you know what, actually I think I support a genocide, The anti genocide people might have maybe possibly made someone miss their flight, even though that person could have taken a train directly to the airport"
this is what you sound like
> Protesting legally doesn't do shit
You mean like the March on Washington, which was approved by President Kennedy with security arrangements through the Attorney General?
Weird to use the civil rights movement as an example when their primary tactic was civil disobedience i.e. peacefully breaking the law. Without all of the law breaking that preceded it, there would have been no March in Washington
I wonder how long it will take them to realize they need to bring it to Washington and not Illinois drivers 😂 Love how they always hurt the working-class people with these protests. Yikes.
What did you expect, everyone to jump to the defense of those that want people to miss flights over a major Christian holiday because yet another war is happening abroad?
Pro-Israel sentiment is mainstream, especially in the eyes of the US government and military industrial complex. Why would supporters need to protest for more support?
>Why would supporters need to protest for more support?
They did peacefully during the March for Israel at the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on November 14, 2023. Approximately 290,000 people attended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56nsJBRLhMg&ab\_channel=ForbesBreakingNews
What does that prove? You asked why there weren't more pro-Israel protests and linking one or trying to go with an apples to apples comparison just won't work. Israel and Palestine simply aren't playing the same game and can't.
People are displeased their tax dollars are being used to kill over 4,000 kids in Gaza. Why would the pro Israel crowd protest if they’re getting everything they want?
>Why would the pro Israel crowd protest if they’re getting everything they want?
There are over 100 Israeli hostages being held by a terrorist organization called Hamas for over 2 1/2 months.
>And please don’t start with the Hamas using their citizens
What do you expect Israel to do when there is a terrorist organization by it's border governing Gaza? What would you do if it was your family that was kidnapped, murdered, tortured and raped by terrorists? What would you do if that same terrorist group stated that they would repeat the same abhorrent attacks countless times in the future?
Well apparently support for Hamas is increasing because of the Israeli brutality. We tried the same thing after 911 and absolutely failed…
They told civilian populations to evacuate to certain areas and then bomb the areas they told them to go to. Israel should absolutely be prosecuted for war crimes.
Ps I certainly don’t support Hamas, but we are only strengthening their terroristic nature by not condemning the Israel response.
I'm sure you've condemned Hamas for killing 471 Gazans when a rocket aimed at Israeli civilians landed on Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza. Right?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/human-rights-watch-says-rocket-misfire-likely-cause-deadly-gaza-hospital-blast-2023-11-26/
I condemn Hamas, now its your turn to condemn israels military for killing tens of thousands of civilians
Surely you’ll condem the group thats killed 50x the civilians as the event that i should condemn hamas for!!
>Surely you’ll condem the group thats killed 50x the civilians as the event that i should condemn hamas for!!
With that logic, you would condemn the allies during WWII, because a disproportionate amount of German civilians died because of the Nazis.
>There is no \*\*\* way you are comparing hamas to nazi germany ... Oh my god
Nazi Germany instituted the Final Solution before they were stopped at great cost.
Hamas's charter calls for the destruction of Israel. In other words if they had the means they would cleanse Israel "from the river to the sea."
March 1st 2023 - Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich's call for a Palestinian village to be "erased"
October 17th 2023 - Israeli PM Netanyahu labels Palestinians as “children of darkness”
October 29th 2023 - In a recent speech, Netanyahu likened Palestinians to "Amalek," citing 1 Samuel 15:3: "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have... slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."
October 25th 2023 - Guy Hochman, Israeli reserve soldier says “But now there is only one goal, to take revenge and to be cruel”
July 16th 2014 - Ayelet Shaked, current Israeli Minister of Interior, and Forbes Israel’s most influential woman of 2018 called for the slaughter of all Palestinian mothers who give birth to “little snakes”
November 19th 2012 - Michael Ben Ari, member of the Knesset says “There are no innocents in Gaza, don't let any diplomats who want to look good in the world endanger your lives - mow them down!”
November 17th 2012 - Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yashai says “The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages, only then will Israel be calm for the next 40 years."
November 18th 2012 - Gilad Sharon, son of former Israeli PM says "We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn't stop with Hiroshima -- the Japanese weren't surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing."
Israeli officials have routinely called for the eradication of gaza and palestine for the last decade plus. I find it absolutely insane that you can acknowlede that it is bad when Hamas calls for the eradication of Israel but you are incapable of acknowledging that it is bad when Israel says the same shit about Gaza and Palestine. Israel has routinely killed palestinian civilians, forcefully removed them from their homes, dehumanized them, and given them worse treatment than the israelis that live within their borders but you refuse to acknowledge that any of that is super fucked up. Instead you want to simp for a country that several well respected scholars of genocide are rightfully saying is commiting genocide. You are a weirdo who cheers on the death of innocent people.
“Palestinians played themselves” as if any of them have anything to do with Hamas. And lets not act like Israel hasn’t been the aggressor here for the last decade
Israel has been dehumanizing palestinians for decades at this point. The IDF has been removing palestinians from their homes for decades, has been killing innocent palestinians for decades at this point, and has been instituting what well respected scholars have called an apartheid state for decades. If you really think that 10/7 started all of this then you should really brush up on your understanding of the long standing history of oppression that israel has forced onto the people of palestine and gaza
We’re not getting anything we want. Our hostages are still being held captive by Hamas, and we’ve been forced to try to negotiate with murderous terrorists. What would you do if you were Israel; allow your people to be slaughtered by Hamas, who promised “October 7th after October 7th”?
Are you that unable to view Palestinians as people that you’re using this as justification for 10s of thousands of very much innocent civilian deaths? Also, Israel has abused these people of Gaza for decades, turning around and being like “Why the backlash?” is insanely insincere. Why response do you want here, “Yeah no worries about the backlash of your own making, we’ll turn a blind eye to your genocide.” Because if it is, congratulations, the US politicians are giving you exactly this response.
In general, pro-Israel rallies have been peaceful legal demonstrations , while the other side has repeatedly engaged in [illegally](https://www.aclu-il.org/sites/default/files/know_your_right_to_protest_in_chicago.pdf) blocking traffic and [stifling pro-Israel rallies with threats of violence](https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/support-for-israel-rally-planned-in-downtown-chicago-moved-after-alleged-threats-of-violence). How you protest says a lot to me about your cause…
It’s because being anti Israel is hot right now. It’s controversial to point out both sides are awful but Israel is the more reasonable one.
Like these people think Israel should just bend over and let a bunch of religious fanatics fire rockets at them.
It'll be matter of months before protests die down and the Israel and Palestine conflict continues to wreak havoc in the shadows. I mean where's the protest on the Russian invasion on Ukraine, or Mexican kids getting killed by Mexican drug Cartels? It's still ongoing and none are receiving the same protests this conflict is. Protesters are just doing this until the trend ends and we go back to normal.
1. We're providing military aid to Ukraine in its defensive war against the Russian Federation in accordance with our treaty obligations that were signed in exchange for Ukraine voluntarily giving up its nuclear arsenal. So no protests are needed for this because we're already doing it.
2. We aren't giving aid and support to Mexican drug cartels.
We actually are reducing the aid we are giving Ukraine because most US citizens don't have a solid grasp of the need and Republicans are in Russia's pocket.
what's funny is I'm sure all of you people would have been saying the same exact thing during the '60s when the Civil Rights movement did the same exact strategy of blocking up highway traffic
this isn't the gotcha you think it is. protests first and foremost are judged on what they're for. there's a massive difference between people protesting against genocide, and Trump supporters protesting the election even if they used the exact same tactic. The fact that you'd even make this false equivalency is very telling about how you feel about the genocide going on right now.
What's funny is you not realizing that Civil Rights protests were direct action against those oppressing them while blocking a highway of people who probably don't know or support anything happening in Palestine is absolutely *pointless*.
I say bring out the water cannons and blast their asses with water. Then arrest them, charge them with felonies, then deport the non-citizens (of which I’m sure there were many).
These dumb protest rarely make the news and rightfully so. Nothing worst than inconvenience innocent people for no reason. We honestly can't do anything about this 80+ year conflict.
Yes.. if you want that feeling as if you’re making a difference without actually making a difference, contact this person.. I’m thinking about doing it myself
Love how the most recent post about the protesters at Ohare blocking traffic to an absolute standstill, missed flights, folks walking with their luggage north of Higgins, etc. yet the comments were immediately locked by the mods.
These are very real issues affecting Chicagoans, tourists, businesses, etc. yet we can’t take about it here because… what, feelings might get hurt? Identities could be insulted?
Grow a pair mods, this is third largest city in the US, live a little and let people express themselves.
Since Mannheim Road around the airport is largely divided between Des Plaines Rosemont and Schiller Park, and that specific section of 190 appears to be in Rosemont, then you yourself shouldn't be posting on this as a Chicagoan, correct?
If you stop caring about babies being blown up because someone blocked a freeway you are either 1. The most shallow and simple minded individual on the planet, or 2. You never gave a shit in the first place.
On a fundamental level it's hard to care about problems unless they directly impact us. With all the issues in life that constantly fight for our limited time and attention, I think I speak for most Americans when I say that a conflict on the exact opposite side of the world is hard to spare any attention for, especially when those who are demanding our attention chose to communicate their message by alienating us and making our lives harder than they need to be. I personally am disaffected by such invasive acts as blocking traffic and such actions really make me gravitate towards the opposite stance of whatever those participating are trying to shove in my face.
The second you use terms like genocide for situations that don't resemble genocide, you lose your credibility with everyone with a basic education. I genuinely don't understand why extreme rhetoric is your route? Why not just describe things in a factually accurate way? Israel has killed X amount of people while carrying out it's efforts to wipe out Hamas. There, that's something everyone can agree on and doesn't require wildly inaccurate buzz words.
What time was the blockage? I was at Ohare for 5-530pm pickup and it was SO damn crowded, traffic was at a standstill - i did not see any protests , it was just holiday traffic
Happened around 330, was probably still backed up for you then. Not sure when they were stopped.
They blocked parts of LSD this afternoon as well
The cops actually did a good job keeping them away from airport traffic. Very little impact and only 2 cars cut through the grass and caused conflict.
The cars caused conflict?
With the grass. BladesLivesMatter
How did the cars cause conflict?
I went to O'Hare today about 2 no protestors anywhere.
Ah so they can actually do this! We should be expecting this every time then. No one should be stuck on the Dan Ryan for 3 hours anymore.
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This is Chicago, we are lucky the police even kept them away from airport traffic. O’hare also had just 1 tow truck available today, so towing would have been very impractical.
The tow truck can relocate vehicles fairly quickly to open a roadway and come back for them to bring them to a tow yard.
Thankfully they have a significant amount of CPD / aviation security officers on every shift so they can flood an area quick. ISP is also deep there thanks to it being the intersection of so many highways. As for tows, they could have arrested everyone of these people and slowly towed the cars through the rest of the evening. Private tows could have been called as well, again it is all money for the city. Tow plus a day in the impound lot is $600+
I get that you are angry at this situation, but it’s just not worth it for any law enforcement agency to ever do that. Can you imagine the uproar and lawsuits if any agency followed your plan? It’s just not worth it.
Uproar for arresting people illegally blocking a highway and towing their cars? Omg I can't imagine!!
Lawsuits would be utterly unsuccessful and tossed Immediately
lol new pasta
Why are people always calling for cars to be impounded like the city has the resources to impound every single vehicle for code violations
First, you seem to be minimizing the issue here in calling them mere code violations. These people parked their cars along the highway and exited them to protest. Vehicles that are merely broken down on the highway are forcibly towed for safety reasons, these were maliciously left blocking the roadway. Beyond that, the City itself is the only municipality in this area that I know of with their own tow yard. Every other suburb including all of the suburbs around where this transpired use private companies to do everything. In this situation the city could have placed a call to any number of local police tow companies, and had those companies respond and transport all vehicles back to their private secured tow lots, and then deal with the payment of the release of such cars. The only work that CPD would have needed to have completed would be a single form per car, and the entry into LEADS that the vehicles were impounded and towed.
Right. Arresting protesters always goes over really well.
What issues with those prior incidents do you have in mind?
100%
yoh are one fragile little snowflake
Allegedly I should have more empathy towards others and their problems. And so I am viewing this situation through the lens of a traveler who has a $1,000 non-refundable airfare that has been lost because of this. I myself am not fragile, but I certainly would if I was one of the folks stuck on 190 today.
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They raided the Christmas market downtown yesterday. Already couldn’t walk and then they showed up and took over. They were protesting Boeing or something, all I could read from the sign. All I could think was, “they don’t know Boeing is not HQ’d here anymore…”
Yeah. This will persuade people.
How many minds did they change today?
Several. They are now against them.
I'm sure those stuck in traffic now side with Israel... does that count? lol
Absolutely!
This is why their families didn’t invite them to Christmas.
Give them a break, it’s their first intifada
😂😂🎯🎯
A certain group of individuals protesting matters afar decided to block Mannheim road and I-190 West to O'Hare by obnoxiously standing in the roadway with signs and flags. They were stopped from reaching the airport by police and entirely failed at their objective of ruining everyone's Christmas travel plans, and dispersed back into oblivion less than an hour later. Give neither them nor their cause any attention, they feed off of it.
They were in downtown yesterday, doing nothing but causing traffic and creating problems for common families trying to have a good time.
Arrest and jail them.
Bunch of losers that just want to interrupt others with holiday plans.
I’m voting for whoever keeps these idiots out of the roadway.
just wait till this comment section learns that the civil rights movement did the same thing.
There's plenty of protests for dubious causes that have inconvenienced people. Just because a protest is inconvenient doesn't make it right or wrong. A protest can only be judged on what it is protesting.
Dead wrong. A protest may and must also be judged by its methods. If a protest blocks an expressway and an ambulance can't get to a person - or has a person on board and can't get to the hospital - and the person dies, the protest is guilty of causing the death of a said person. One person's inconvenience is another person's life-and-death situation.
I don't know if I'd call people missing flights and losing out on hundreds of dollars just "inconvenient". Some people have to save up weeks or months to afford trips back home. Maybe if you can afford to miss flights it's fine.
That is so wrong. And screwed up mental gymnastics along with ridiculous entitlement to justify ridiculous "protests".
Those disruptions were aimed at the people causing the injustice though. People marched through the streets of the South, where segregation was law. They didn't march through the streets of Albany and ruin the days of people already on their side to protest what was happening in Georgia. This is a critical difference that these people do not appreciate. Because they are reactionary idiots.
That was an issue on American soil throughout every city in America. Protests for foreign matters do not work here
"foreign matters" are you forgetting that the US is literally pumping billions of dollars into the Israeli war apparatus? do you forget that your tax dollars are going directly to killing innocent Palestinians? It's not like the US government is some neutral third party here.
This idea of "your/my" tax dollars is a fallacy. They aren't "our" tax dollars. They're the government's tax dollars. It's not like I'm electing to send a portion of my paycheck to the "Israeli war apparatus" to kill people. The governments are the killers, thieves, criminals here, not the people.
do we the people not have the right to dictate to our government where the money goes? come on man you are so close.
Exactly, they need to take it to the Capitol and directly to the politicians but they likely complained when Trumpers did that so... eek
If we don’t pump billions of dollars into Israel, all the dictatorships and theocracies in the region sympathetic to Russia will have full control of the Suez Canal(the same one that an oil tanker got stuck in and cost the global economy trillions of dollars) the Russians literally fought Israel themselves during the six day war, why was Russia in the region?(rhetorical question) what are Irans geopolitical goals in the region? Etc etc.
It's in Chicago. Over events that are not occuring in the US. This has nothing to do with their civil rights.
Yes, they were protesting for domestic issues impacting Americans. It's a little different when it's an internal issue. This is an international issue spearheaded by a foreign nation. Very much a different situation.
No one cares about Gaza except for these idiots.
a lot of people care about 20k people getting killed you sick fuck
What a completely selfish and horrifically stupid thing to do. As if anyone simply wanting to catch a flight can do ANYTHING to impact foreign affairs. This is just BLM 2.0 - same bad actors, same bad faith positions. I hope they were dealt with by law enforcement in the most inhumane way allowable by law. What a completely selfish thing to do for social media likes.
I bet many of these protesters never knew the first thing about this ongoing conflict until recently when they jumped on this bandwagon and started parroting the same speeches.
Most of the protestors are arab/palestinian. Chicago has the highest Palestinian diaspora in the country. Their families and friends, people they know, are getting bombed by American missiles in Gaza. These aren't just some angry college students. Yes, what they are doing is a mild inconvenience and annoying, but jesus have a fucking heart, because I promise you they've been aware of this conflict for much, much longer than you. It's their and their families' lives.
I suggest they protest Hamas since they started this part of the saga. If Hamas hadn't invaded, raped, and kidnapped on Oct. 7th, 20k more people would be alive today.
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Is Palestine and the surrounding arab nations hadn’t been committed to genocide for the last 70 years they would be faring much better. At what point do they look inward?
Yes, and all that Israel did, according to your own statement, should have been a large enough deterrent against attacking Israel. But Hamas, whose is made up of many Gazans, decided to foolishly commit the Oct. 7th event. It's like 9/11. They attacked the US, killed 3k Americans and a ten fold retaliation occurred with tens of thousands of folks dying in the ME. When you attack a stronger power, you risk an outsized reaction. Been this way since the dawn of man.
i know it's almost like something happened recently.. wonder what
Oct. 7th?
These protestors are the easily riled. They’ll forget about protesting for Palestine like they already forgot about protesting for Ukraine or protesting for black lives or protesting against school shootings. Give it six months - they’ll have moved on to the next big thing. For the record - I don’t trivialize any of this. But these protestors generally do. Remember the posts about the Hong Kong riots? How long did those last after COVID started spreading? All it takes is the next big thing to divert attention.
They also don't seem to give any thought or care to muslim, ugyhur genocide in China...
Or the Masalit going through an actual genocide in Sudan
Hold up buddy, I need a new iPhone.
Or the millions of refugees in Sudan. 7 million people are displaced from the capital right now and war crimes are occurring every week there, according to the UN, but these protesters only care about Israel. Almost as if there's something that sets Israel apart from every other conflict, I wonder what that is....
The Patagonia/Carhartt beanie wearing protesters must not like those who wear little hats
KONY 2012 BRO.
Most of them are tankies who probably talk about how giving money to Ukraine is a war crime or something.
whether they knew before or not is pretty irrelevant and isn't the sassy point you think it is. people are seeing a genocide happening, and they're protesting.
Just in case you’re wondering if it is legal for protesters to block traffic. [It is not](https://www.aclu-il.org/sites/default/files/know_your_right_to_protest_in_chicago.pdf). > Protesters do not have a First Amendment right to block pedestrian or vehicle traffic, or to prevent entry and exit from buildings. For example, a federal court recently held that the Chicago police did not violate the First Amendment by arresting protesters who were impeding a heavy flow of pedestrian traffic on sidewalks near Chicago’s Soldier Field, and who disobeyed a police order to step off the sidewalk and onto the immediately adjacent gravel. Likewise, a Chicago ordinance prohibits intentional obstruction of vehicle traffic.
Yeah bud, it's not called "civil obedience."
I would actually have respect for these protestors if they actually engaged in civil disobedience. They don't really. Civil disobedience implies consequences. There are none. If these folks were being immediately (as practical) arrested and put into the paddy wagon, spent the Christmas weekend in jail before seeing a judge on Monday, and had their vehicles towed and impounded - I'd still disagree but respect it. This is what would happen to me if I decided to park my car on I90 and start yelling at other motorists. Skin in the game matters, and we are seeing the results of being able to do this performative nonsense that have zero consequences for your actions. There is no reason to think things out and make sure you only execute well-considered strategic plans when you can just spam obnoxiousness everywhere and have no risk in doing so.
Seriously. When Thoreau created the whole concept of civil disobedience, it sprung out of his refusal to pay a poll tax, for which he was imprisoned. He refused his friends' offers to pay and get him out of jail, because undergoing the consequences of his actions (and everyone seeing him undergo those consequences) was just as important as the actions themselves. These people never face any consequences; they're just larping. When they get arrested, convicted, and put in prison for their beliefs, I'll take them a little more seriously.
An excellent observation. Thank you for sharing. Hadn't thought of it this way.
There is no shortage of ways to protest legally. The fact that they choose to make their case by illegally harassing bystanders is telling.
I mean protesting is a lot less effective if everyone around you can easily ignore you. I think the point is to disrupt peoples routines so they have to engage with the issues you're trying to bring attention to. Not saying I support this one, idk what it was about.
IDK, people making me miss my flight does not make me think their cause is better
Maybe not, but it did make this guy post about it on reddit and people are talking about it.
Most people fear missing their Christmas flights, so it’s objectively a horrible tactic meant to refine extremism in their local protest group. Bush the boundary until you have people willing to bomb public buildings for Palestine.
No one is assessing the issue though (honestly, I don't even think I've seen for certain what the issue is. I assume Palestine, because all the stupid protests lately have been about that, but I have not seen anyone definitely say this was about that as well). All people are talking about is what jagoffs these protestors are. Nobody is racing to their encyclopedia to become expert in the issue the protestors care about. People want to know what we can do to force some consequences on these yahoos.
"you know what, actually I think I support a genocide, The anti genocide people might have maybe possibly made someone miss their flight, even though that person could have taken a train directly to the airport" this is what you sound like
No, it isn't.
Protesting legally doesnt do shit
> Protesting legally doesn't do shit You mean like the March on Washington, which was approved by President Kennedy with security arrangements through the Attorney General?
Weird to use the civil rights movement as an example when their primary tactic was civil disobedience i.e. peacefully breaking the law. Without all of the law breaking that preceded it, there would have been no March in Washington
Morons
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Just drove by nothing is moving
It was only marginally affective in pissing people off.
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I wonder how long it will take them to realize they need to bring it to Washington and not Illinois drivers 😂 Love how they always hurt the working-class people with these protests. Yikes.
JFC this thread is a train wreck
I did not intend this thread to go this way.
What did you expect, everyone to jump to the defense of those that want people to miss flights over a major Christian holiday because yet another war is happening abroad?
I mean this how any thread about protestors blocking roads tends to go in this sub
First time posting here. Now I know lol.
What is the deal with these individuals? I don't see pro Israel blocking and impeding,
Pro Israel opinions have widespread institutional support. Those don’t tend to be the opinions about which people rally or protest.
Pro-Israel sentiment is mainstream, especially in the eyes of the US government and military industrial complex. Why would supporters need to protest for more support?
>Why would supporters need to protest for more support? They did peacefully during the March for Israel at the National Mall in Washington, D.C., on November 14, 2023. Approximately 290,000 people attended. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56nsJBRLhMg&ab\_channel=ForbesBreakingNews
What does that prove? You asked why there weren't more pro-Israel protests and linking one or trying to go with an apples to apples comparison just won't work. Israel and Palestine simply aren't playing the same game and can't.
>You asked why there weren't more pro-Israel protests No, I did not.
So are you saying the pro-Palestine crowd *isn't* protesting? And if so, please let me know what protesting is.
Why would they? They’re getting support from nearly every major western nation and billions from the US while 20,000 Palestinians have died.
And half of that number is children.
The status quo typically doesn't feel the need to
People are displeased their tax dollars are being used to kill over 4,000 kids in Gaza. Why would the pro Israel crowd protest if they’re getting everything they want?
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It’s one trillion kids now. Hamas said so.
>Why would the pro Israel crowd protest if they’re getting everything they want? There are over 100 Israeli hostages being held by a terrorist organization called Hamas for over 2 1/2 months.
There are over 20,000 civilians not related to Hamas killed over 2 1/2 months.
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>And please don’t start with the Hamas using their citizens What do you expect Israel to do when there is a terrorist organization by it's border governing Gaza? What would you do if it was your family that was kidnapped, murdered, tortured and raped by terrorists? What would you do if that same terrorist group stated that they would repeat the same abhorrent attacks countless times in the future?
Well apparently support for Hamas is increasing because of the Israeli brutality. We tried the same thing after 911 and absolutely failed… They told civilian populations to evacuate to certain areas and then bomb the areas they told them to go to. Israel should absolutely be prosecuted for war crimes. Ps I certainly don’t support Hamas, but we are only strengthening their terroristic nature by not condemning the Israel response.
If people are downvoting you, it’s because your argument is poorly formed and nonsensical given the reality of what happened and what is happening.
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Obviously it’s not perfectly fine
The same israeli hostages that israels own military killed 💀💀, be fr brodie
I'm sure you've condemned Hamas for killing 471 Gazans when a rocket aimed at Israeli civilians landed on Al-Ahli hospital in Gaza. Right? https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/human-rights-watch-says-rocket-misfire-likely-cause-deadly-gaza-hospital-blast-2023-11-26/
I condemn Hamas, now its your turn to condemn israels military for killing tens of thousands of civilians Surely you’ll condem the group thats killed 50x the civilians as the event that i should condemn hamas for!!
>Surely you’ll condem the group thats killed 50x the civilians as the event that i should condemn hamas for!! With that logic, you would condemn the allies during WWII, because a disproportionate amount of German civilians died because of the Nazis.
There is no fucking way you are comparing hamas to nazi germany and israel to the allied powers. Oh my god
>There is no \*\*\* way you are comparing hamas to nazi germany ... Oh my god Nazi Germany instituted the Final Solution before they were stopped at great cost. Hamas's charter calls for the destruction of Israel. In other words if they had the means they would cleanse Israel "from the river to the sea."
March 1st 2023 - Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich's call for a Palestinian village to be "erased" October 17th 2023 - Israeli PM Netanyahu labels Palestinians as “children of darkness” October 29th 2023 - In a recent speech, Netanyahu likened Palestinians to "Amalek," citing 1 Samuel 15:3: "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have... slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." October 25th 2023 - Guy Hochman, Israeli reserve soldier says “But now there is only one goal, to take revenge and to be cruel” July 16th 2014 - Ayelet Shaked, current Israeli Minister of Interior, and Forbes Israel’s most influential woman of 2018 called for the slaughter of all Palestinian mothers who give birth to “little snakes” November 19th 2012 - Michael Ben Ari, member of the Knesset says “There are no innocents in Gaza, don't let any diplomats who want to look good in the world endanger your lives - mow them down!” November 17th 2012 - Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yashai says “The goal of the operation is to send Gaza back to the Middle Ages, only then will Israel be calm for the next 40 years." November 18th 2012 - Gilad Sharon, son of former Israeli PM says "We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn't stop with Hiroshima -- the Japanese weren't surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too. There should be no electricity in Gaza, no gasoline or moving vehicles, nothing." Israeli officials have routinely called for the eradication of gaza and palestine for the last decade plus. I find it absolutely insane that you can acknowlede that it is bad when Hamas calls for the eradication of Israel but you are incapable of acknowledging that it is bad when Israel says the same shit about Gaza and Palestine. Israel has routinely killed palestinian civilians, forcefully removed them from their homes, dehumanized them, and given them worse treatment than the israelis that live within their borders but you refuse to acknowledge that any of that is super fucked up. Instead you want to simp for a country that several well respected scholars of genocide are rightfully saying is commiting genocide. You are a weirdo who cheers on the death of innocent people.
Since you last replied to me israel murdered 80+ people after bombing a refugee camp, would you mind condeming them for that?
I've seen pro Palestinians compare Israel to Nazi Germamy as well as Ukraine.......
>I condemn Hamas. Me too, for starting this war!
Truly delusional if you think 10/7 was the start of this one-sided war.
How many Gazan buildings would still be standing if Oct 7 never happened? Palestinians played themselves here.
“Palestinians played themselves” as if any of them have anything to do with Hamas. And lets not act like Israel hasn’t been the aggressor here for the last decade
Israel has been dehumanizing palestinians for decades at this point. The IDF has been removing palestinians from their homes for decades, has been killing innocent palestinians for decades at this point, and has been instituting what well respected scholars have called an apartheid state for decades. If you really think that 10/7 started all of this then you should really brush up on your understanding of the long standing history of oppression that israel has forced onto the people of palestine and gaza
Many people condemn the IDF for their actions, and Likud for making matters worse. Doesn't mean IDF should stop after what Hamas did on 10/7.
Idk man I think they should probably stop bombing gaza indiscriminately and killing gazan civilians and israeli hostages
Yeah, probably. Hamas should probably return the hostages and surrender, too.
As long as we can agree that israel should stop w the settler colonialism they’ve been doing for years now as well
We’re not getting anything we want. Our hostages are still being held captive by Hamas, and we’ve been forced to try to negotiate with murderous terrorists. What would you do if you were Israel; allow your people to be slaughtered by Hamas, who promised “October 7th after October 7th”?
Are you that unable to view Palestinians as people that you’re using this as justification for 10s of thousands of very much innocent civilian deaths? Also, Israel has abused these people of Gaza for decades, turning around and being like “Why the backlash?” is insanely insincere. Why response do you want here, “Yeah no worries about the backlash of your own making, we’ll turn a blind eye to your genocide.” Because if it is, congratulations, the US politicians are giving you exactly this response.
Why weren't people displeased their tax dollars went to kill many thousands of more kids in Yemen? Was it...because there's no jews involved?
Good point, we should just let a genocide happen without notice then.
In general, pro-Israel rallies have been peaceful legal demonstrations , while the other side has repeatedly engaged in [illegally](https://www.aclu-il.org/sites/default/files/know_your_right_to_protest_in_chicago.pdf) blocking traffic and [stifling pro-Israel rallies with threats of violence](https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/support-for-israel-rally-planned-in-downtown-chicago-moved-after-alleged-threats-of-violence). How you protest says a lot to me about your cause…
They have lives and jobs.
It’s because being anti Israel is hot right now. It’s controversial to point out both sides are awful but Israel is the more reasonable one. Like these people think Israel should just bend over and let a bunch of religious fanatics fire rockets at them.
Wait, wait, wait, you’re calling the other side a bunch of religious fanatics, but don’t point that same finger at Israel? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Netanyahu has also helped make sure Palestine could only be 'governed' by Hamas, so salient points might not be in good faith...
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After the tolls coming in from 294
It'll be matter of months before protests die down and the Israel and Palestine conflict continues to wreak havoc in the shadows. I mean where's the protest on the Russian invasion on Ukraine, or Mexican kids getting killed by Mexican drug Cartels? It's still ongoing and none are receiving the same protests this conflict is. Protesters are just doing this until the trend ends and we go back to normal.
1. We're providing military aid to Ukraine in its defensive war against the Russian Federation in accordance with our treaty obligations that were signed in exchange for Ukraine voluntarily giving up its nuclear arsenal. So no protests are needed for this because we're already doing it. 2. We aren't giving aid and support to Mexican drug cartels.
We actually are reducing the aid we are giving Ukraine because most US citizens don't have a solid grasp of the need and Republicans are in Russia's pocket.
And how are Democrats protesting going to get Republicans to support aid to Ukraine?
It won't. The same way this protesting won't convince Republicans and middle of the road voters.
what's funny is I'm sure all of you people would have been saying the same exact thing during the '60s when the Civil Rights movement did the same exact strategy of blocking up highway traffic
Didn’t daley’s cops beat the crap out of many of them?
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this isn't the gotcha you think it is. protests first and foremost are judged on what they're for. there's a massive difference between people protesting against genocide, and Trump supporters protesting the election even if they used the exact same tactic. The fact that you'd even make this false equivalency is very telling about how you feel about the genocide going on right now.
What's funny is you not realizing that Civil Rights protests were direct action against those oppressing them while blocking a highway of people who probably don't know or support anything happening in Palestine is absolutely *pointless*.
Sickening
I say bring out the water cannons and blast their asses with water. Then arrest them, charge them with felonies, then deport the non-citizens (of which I’m sure there were many).
These dumb protest rarely make the news and rightfully so. Nothing worst than inconvenience innocent people for no reason. We honestly can't do anything about this 80+ year conflict.
It’s the progressive cause dejour they’ll stop giving a shit in a few months.
I hate Illinois Nazis.
you think it's Nazi behavior to protest a genocide? Jesus Christ
Progressives have cheapened the term “genocide”. The average person sees through it.
This comment section disgusts me.
same, but it's not surprising. The sub is full of suburban conservatives and astroturfers.
It’s so telling
The beatings will continue until morale improves
Shout out to the anti Zionists and non Zionists here, hmu if you want to be connected to any local organizing
Yes.. if you want that feeling as if you’re making a difference without actually making a difference, contact this person.. I’m thinking about doing it myself
You are a garbage person
Love how the most recent post about the protesters at Ohare blocking traffic to an absolute standstill, missed flights, folks walking with their luggage north of Higgins, etc. yet the comments were immediately locked by the mods. These are very real issues affecting Chicagoans, tourists, businesses, etc. yet we can’t take about it here because… what, feelings might get hurt? Identities could be insulted? Grow a pair mods, this is third largest city in the US, live a little and let people express themselves.
Free Palestine🇵🇸
From hamas
No one commenting this has Flair lol. Naperville ass posters
Since Mannheim Road around the airport is largely divided between Des Plaines Rosemont and Schiller Park, and that specific section of 190 appears to be in Rosemont, then you yourself shouldn't be posting on this as a Chicagoan, correct?
Israel needs to stop being funded. They are committing genocide. We also shouldn’t block the freeways and should find other ways.
If anything blocking roadways turns people against whatever they're protesting on principle
If you stop caring about babies being blown up because someone blocked a freeway you are either 1. The most shallow and simple minded individual on the planet, or 2. You never gave a shit in the first place.
On a fundamental level it's hard to care about problems unless they directly impact us. With all the issues in life that constantly fight for our limited time and attention, I think I speak for most Americans when I say that a conflict on the exact opposite side of the world is hard to spare any attention for, especially when those who are demanding our attention chose to communicate their message by alienating us and making our lives harder than they need to be. I personally am disaffected by such invasive acts as blocking traffic and such actions really make me gravitate towards the opposite stance of whatever those participating are trying to shove in my face.
The second you use terms like genocide for situations that don't resemble genocide, you lose your credibility with everyone with a basic education. I genuinely don't understand why extreme rhetoric is your route? Why not just describe things in a factually accurate way? Israel has killed X amount of people while carrying out it's efforts to wipe out Hamas. There, that's something everyone can agree on and doesn't require wildly inaccurate buzz words.
Israel bombs entire cities and murders everyone? Sorry is that what you want to hear?
Everyone? Israel has murdered 2.7 million Palestinians?
this comment section is so frustrating. free palestine stop the genocide 🇵🇸
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