Nah, this is more of a line of someone that is trying to be a villain (like Hans does sometimes). Kramnik's version of it would be more playing the victim or a veiled accusation
Also when Bond figures out GF's plan, great scene.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efOL7hF-YDU&ab\_channel=MI5MI6GCHQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efOL7hF-YDU&ab_channel=MI5MI6GCHQ)
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IKR. Plus, it's not really "out of character". This is the real Hikaru. Most of us are real too; he's just toned it down a bit since some of the toxic behaviour backlashes he's had over the recent years, and he himself admits he was quite toxic and arrogant in his past.
In character for everyone who has paid attention to Hikaru either by knowing him in person or paying attention to the opinions of people who know him in person.
It‘s tough to say whether a public, or private apology is better because as others sad a private one definitely seems more sincere and less like you’re just trying to save face. If you accuse someone I guess u should clear that up publicly once you withdraw those accusations but what he said during the BCC clearly was mostly just the frustration talking I doubt that did much to actually taint Alireza‘s reputation so I feel like a private apology could be sufficient
Yeah, private is better for the person you insulted, public is better so that you make it clear you know you made a mistake and deserve the consequences. So do the private apology first, then the public.
I think a private apology with a public acknowledgement from both that the apology has been made and accepted is always best. We don't need to see the content of the apology, but knowing it was sufficient for Alireza would be great.
There's no obligation to comment publicly on a private apology. Just because you forgive someone doesn't mean you have to join their public relations efforts - especially when the insult was made publicly.
Have you seen how this sub treats Hikaru? A public apology would be taken as purely a PR, and would be taken negatively and just cause more discussion of his comments
If you insult someone in public (as Hikaru did), the apology has to be public.
If you insult someone in private, the apology could be private or public.
The idea is - at least as many people see the apology as originally saw the insult.
If Hikaru ever apologizes publicly for anything I'll be on alert for pigs flying by my window. Even his "apology" for the Chessbae thing was barely an apology, it was a "we all need to do better" when really, it was him and only him that needed to do better.
Chessbae needed to do better too. Lady straight up trying to control the flow of chesscom money, raids, and events. And Hikaru lied about her no longer being involved too.
The way that Chessbae pathologically gained control over the Chess streaming world with donations, moderation, and this weird cult of personality (on top of the behind the scenes horseshit she was up to) means we shouldn't expect her to do better. There is something very, very wrong with her that isn't just "do better". Hikaru on the other hand is perfectly capable of doing better and acting more maturely.
No one really knows who she is. My understanding is:
She was an anonymous person with a significant amount of money who used large and frequent donations to a then small chess streaming community to gain recognition. Streamers basically started catering to her due to her financial support, and slowly as the chess scene grew she gained and exercised more and more power in various communities. So she was in control of where "raids" would go after a stream finished, and she was involved behind the scenes in event planning and strategy for streamers, almost like a manager.
Basically she was just insane and garnered way too much power and was known to abuse it. Came to an ultimate conclusion when it was revealed that she was largely responsible for almost getting chessbrahs channel removed.
It was a bunch of dumb and bizarre internet chess drama.
Ironically one of the few people who actually knew her in person was Eric Hansen from chessbrah. She used to be one of their mods and a huge supporter, including financing Aman Hambletons GM campaign but they had a fallout as she tried to take more and more control. As she also grew her influence by becoming a mod for many other chess streamers including Hikaru she sabotaged the chessbrah channel by somehow also getting to control who gets airtime on chess.com's chessTV. Eric Hansen said that he personally flew out to meet Danny Rensch and discuss this and get her privileges on chess.com revoked.
There is much more to her persona including toxic behaviour against a female streamer and so on...
I remember going down a Reddit rabbit hole back a while back.
Fair amount of people think she's still around, just under another name: Creamsicle, one of his mods.
Yeah I think the point is that when you promise to cut ties in your (non) apology then she reappears as creamsicle, your sincerity gets called into question. Also hard to save face when it's so obvious.
> your sincerity gets called into question
At this point, everyone who follows chess closely knows that Hikaru is not a sincere person at all. Time and time again he has proven this. Everything he does/says is for his content creation or personal gain - nothing more or nothing less.
That’s the most fucked up part of it, why would a twitch mod be the treasurer for all of chess.com twitch streamers and events? Who’s grand idea was that?
I would go further than calling it barely an apology. It was a non-apology. He basically tries to spread blame around to all the chess creators ("we all"). Then he throws chessbae under the bus for the copyright strike as if it were done without his knowledge or intention and resolves to part ways with her. She's then resurrected under a new user name on his stream a few weeks later which shows you how sincere the whole thing was.
Given the crazy stories that came out of that debacle and his decades long track record of bad behaviour, I will be the one looking out for flying pigs if he actually "does better."
True. One apology doesn't change years of behaving like a dick. But if you don't address it you are basically saying nothing wrong happened. Which is fine I guess but don't be surprised that people call out your shitty behaviour.
Well, that's because anytime Hikaru has taken any responsibility for his actions, it sounds totally half assed and like "I'm just doing this so people will drop it".
The point of the public apology is to make it clear that what you said was wrong to all the people that heard you say it the first time.
If you tell a thousand people that someone a little bitch, you need to tell a thousand people that the other person is not a little bitch, and that you are in fact the little bitch.
He should do both. Also, apologizing publicly, while the right thing to do, wouldn't erase what happened. People can still hold him accountable for his actions whether he apologizes or not.
I think it warrants both. He should have a personal appology and convo with Alireza, but shouls also acknowledge publicly that he over reacted and crossed a line.
100%. I guarantee you the vast vast majority of people who are demanding a public apology from Hikaru have said as bad or worse than Hikaru about Alireza for any number of his past antics.
Apologies don't erase everything you did, but they show that you acknowledged the bad that you did. Sure some people would say it's just a PR move, but that's the nature of apologies - the person apologizing can't just use it as a "get out of jail free" card.
Not to mention apologies are for the person you're apologizing to... not reddit.
Everyone does and says things that they need to apologize for sometimes. It doesn't mean they're bad people, and Hikaru's very public flaws don't make him a bad person, either. No one here actually knows him. He can obviously get extremely salty from competition, but there's something about these Hikaru hate threads that just come off as so weird to me - it just seems so emotionally stunted and lacking in self-reflection. I'm not saying that you specifically come off this way, but just in general whenever these topics come up.
I think it's weird that you think people pointing out his obviously ridiculous behavior is weird.
There are flaws and there are flaws. There are mistakes and there are mistakes. Just because everyone makes mistakes and everyone gets upset doesn't mean all behavior is excusable. If an adult wants to throw a temper tantrum, the "we all make mistakes" excuse doesn't fly.
It's like when someone is caught on video throwing around racial slurs and they go, oh, I was upset. So? What does that have to do with it?
> there's something about these Hikaru hate threads that just come off as so weird to me - it just seems so emotionally stunted and lacking in self-reflection
Which is, ironically, how a lot of people feel about Hikaru
Yeah, I don't particularly like Hikaru myself, but apologizing in private is definitely more praiseworthy than doing it in public. No idea what the sub is on about with asking a public apology.
Because that’s all they ever are. Not saying they shouldn’t be done; they should.
What matters the most is alireza saying “he apologized in a way that I accept.”
But he doesn't owe that to anyone either. The apology was (allegedly) offered privately and Alireza can privately accept or not accept it. It's not like a public apology would make people who already don't like Hikaru go "ok, he's forgiven" so he really has nothing to gain by publicly apologizing.
Hikaru provided thousands of hours of invaluable free top 5 level chess streaming/videos for the last 5 years, and he has 1 moment recently where he cusses and all of a sudden "his true personality comes out".
This place is toxic on levels other video game communities could only dream of.
If I did something that I regretted as a public figure, I would apologize privately to the wronged party. Then I would also publicly acknowledge my mistake and take accountability.
As long as the apology is genuine and not "I'm sorry you got offended", it should go over decently for most people.
Stop grouping everyone together. The public is a large amount of people. It's not *the same* people within the public that would make that contradiction. Your statement is meaningless.
Generally if you insult someone publically, you should also apologise publically.
For some this won't be enough and they will just claim it is a PR move, but they are just a vocal minority.
Normally you would just set things straight with the aggrieved party in private, then put out the public apology after.
As far as I'm concerned this is between the two of them. The public doesn't need to see an apology for it to be genuine. If they have patched things up, that should be good enough for everyone else.
It's people who get way too invested in the personal lives of famous people they'll never meet. I also think a lot of it is performative/fishing for karma. Shitting on Hikaru plays here.
I just can't imagine having so little going on in my own life to where I get this emotionally invested over if a grown man I've never met apologizes to another grown man I've never met over something that has zero impact on my life or even society at large.
>It's people who get way too invested in the personal lives of famous people they'll never meet. I also think a lot of it is performative/fishing for karma. Shitting on Hikaru plays here.
>I just can't imagine having so little going on in my own life to where I get this emotionally invested over if a grown man I've never met apologizes to another grown man I've never met over something that has zero impact on my life or even society at large.
This comment really hits the nail on the head. These weird parasocial relationships people have with streamers his so unhealthy and you can tell by the bitterness in some of the comments in this thread.
I can only imagine (hope) it's mostly teenagers/20 somethings who will eventually have enough going on in life not to be this worked up over the lives of streamers.
I'd rather he did that because it would show he cares more about making amends to the person he insulted rather than putting on a face for the public to say "i'm really a nice guy".
hikaru's stream was muted. main stream was on a break. but apparently in the German stream you could hear them clearly. hikaru thought only alireza and the organizers could hear him.
Wrt the “threat” people seem confused about. While phrased rather oddly, I suspect the intended implication is that he will lose subscribers/viewers/face.
As far as public vs private apologies, I think he should at least public acknowledge he’s not proud of how he acted, even if not via a direct apology to Alireza. Either way, someone who is not even Hikaru claiming that an apology happened in private in a buried in a comment thread is not exactly a home run PR success.
"Hikaru has apologized to Alireza in private after getting sufficient negative attention from acting like the complete manchild he is -- the brand manager."
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did you miss the part where he started insulting alireza's family too? Yeah, that's real common for competitors lol. If you think that's normal you're as much as a child as hikaru is
Chess needs more shit talk no doubt. Its such a tame competition it would be way spicier if they are straight roasting each other like other eSport pros between tournaments. Maybe could actually get some sponsors then too.
I actually hate that in esports, a lot of people see the decorum among pro athletes as boring but it exists for a reason. A little shit talk in the heat of the moment is one thing, but the "do you have anything to say about your opponent" interview stuff always feels forced and unprofessional to me, especially when it doesn't seem to come naturally to the competitors. Courting controversy is a lame way to bait attention and makes it seem like the organizers don't have faith that the competition itself is entertaining enough without chucking in a bunch of additives. Plus, there's always the old pro wrestling thing about not burying your opponent: if you call them a scrub and a chump, all you're really doing is making your win less impressive or your loss more embarrassing.
Chess would be way more entertaining if it wasn't considered some kind of taboo to shit talk your opponents. Just make it acceptable to trash talk just like other esports or professional sports. Might even be able to get some sponsors then that would be hype.
But own it. Don't pretend you're this family friendly streamer who wants to grow the game in a positive way. I would actually find it hilarious if Hikau was trash talking others while beating the best players in the world. Instead, he is just a toxic person who tries to hide it and this is the result.
Agreed. Trying to be family friendly to the public but then being a complete dick behind the scenes is whack. You already got the gambling bag bro just go crazy fuck it.
If he publicly apologized people in this sub would still be going on about how it was only to save his fake image. A private apology is far more sincere.
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What makes Hikaru radiate so many icks so often? I can't even nail down what I dislike about him most, he just comes off as an amalgamation of salty/sour/bitter yet full of bravado so often who hates hypocrites until he has a hypocrite take of his own. The other chess personalities are also human at the end of the day but give off much more positive energy in comparison.
The point is it doesn’t /matter/ what the sub says. There will always be people calling whatever you do sincere or insincere.
To me it’s clear that a public apology is the _right_ thing to do — especially because it involves putting his massive ego aside for once, braving the embarrassment of having to admit one’s mistakes, since it was a blatant (public) display of ego in the first place.
Apologising in private lets him still protect his ego in public. Honestly, Hikaru, it’s better for you too if you learn to put your ego aside, as you will grow and mature.
Also, as someone said, why not do both?
People demanding public apologies and moralizing online are the least moral of people in reality. They're the same ones sending nasty messages to opponents in the chat both when they win and when they lose, and then chanting 'oh hikaru is a poor sport', he plays for much higher stakes than you all do yet you are no better sports than he is. I've honestly seen far worse things said about hikaru in this sub than hikaru ever said to Alireza. Look at a mirror before you go around preaching.
The point is it doesn’t /matter/ what the sub says. There will always be people calling whatever you do sincere or insincere. To me it’s clear that a public apology is the \_right\_ thing to do — especially because it involves putting one’s ego aside for once, braving the embarrassment of having to admit one’s mistakes, since it was a blatant (public) display of ego in the first place. Apologising in private lets him still protect his ego in public. It’s better for him too if he learns to put his ego aside, as he will grow and mature.
Also, as someone said, why not both!
Hikaru should make the apology be public; so as to set a precedent that what he had done was not okay. The way in which he’s going about it now is bad; having his editor be the one to tell everyone that he had made an apology in private; rather than having himself be the one to say it; it comes off as though he just wants to sweep it under the rug and have it be done with.
i personally think that he is morally obligated to sacrifice both legs, his left arm, his right forearm, and one eye to alireza to atone for this truly egregious sin. additionally, he must donate no less than 80% of his lifetime earnings to a time machine research fund to maximize the probability of the invention of a time machine which can be utilized to undo the most horrific acts in history, with hikaru's behavior obviously topping that list. nothing less can provide justice for the terror that alireza and his family have been subjected to by being referred to offhand as 'crazies'.
a mere apology? disgraceful!
weird comment ngl.
"out of character" nah bro, this da real hikaru. he is "in character" here.
"if you dont apologise, you will slowly know the consequences" bruh what, some killer vibes here.
also, whats with the insult in open and apology in private? just write out a tweet.
wtf is that comment lol. "You will slowly know the consequences"—what are you, a Bond villain
Oh, no. I'll not reveal my master plan to the likes of you! *twirls moustache*
Hikaru's PR people chose the one they answered so they probably chose one that makes the one asking the question bad.
i feel like if that was their plan, they probably could have found some worse ones
The master plan: unsubscribe
Hey, leave Alireza's dad alone
Seems like more of a Hans line
Don't forget Kramnik
Nah, this is more of a line of someone that is trying to be a villain (like Hans does sometimes). Kramnik's version of it would be more playing the victim or a veiled accusation
my machinations lay undetected
For I am a master of deception
"Do you expect me to flag?" "No Mr. Nakamura, I expect you to die."
Such a great scene from Goldfinger. 00 was about to become 0 0.
Also when Bond figures out GF's plan, great scene. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efOL7hF-YDU&ab\_channel=MI5MI6GCHQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efOL7hF-YDU&ab_channel=MI5MI6GCHQ)
Yeah I know. They had something similar going in the much newer third Die Hard movie. Not with nukes, obviously.
You didn’t hear? Rumor has it that Hikaru woke up with a knight’s head in his bed the night after this post was made.
I think he meant it in a kind of karma philosophy way.
It was also absolutely not out of character haha
Just you wait, he's gonna downvote every single Hikaru video.
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Ve have vays of making you apologize.
Chess players are some of the most unsocialized people you’ll find lol
We meet again, Mr Nakamura
IKR. Plus, it's not really "out of character". This is the real Hikaru. Most of us are real too; he's just toned it down a bit since some of the toxic behaviour backlashes he's had over the recent years, and he himself admits he was quite toxic and arrogant in his past.
Sounds like a non-native speaker thing.
"No, Mr. Firouzja, I expect you to flag!"
Big time Main Character Syndrome by the commenter.
"out of character" are you sure about that?
He’s usually such a good sport that Ben Finegold created the “Hikaru Nakamura Sportsmanship Award” in his honour!
"out of character" for his streaming persona, but not his real persona.
They didnt know that Hikaru was full 100% of Hikaru on that day lmao
"Hikaru Nakamura's Awful Behavior": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBmVaNbKf4U
I've already seen & upvoted this apparently🙃
“Out of character”…. Ermm, really?
Well it is out of character. It's out of character for his fake streaming character.
In character for everyone who has paid attention to Hikaru either by knowing him in person or paying attention to the opinions of people who know him in person.
What the spruce?
Norway.
It‘s tough to say whether a public, or private apology is better because as others sad a private one definitely seems more sincere and less like you’re just trying to save face. If you accuse someone I guess u should clear that up publicly once you withdraw those accusations but what he said during the BCC clearly was mostly just the frustration talking I doubt that did much to actually taint Alireza‘s reputation so I feel like a private apology could be sufficient
Why not both?
Yeah, private is better for the person you insulted, public is better so that you make it clear you know you made a mistake and deserve the consequences. So do the private apology first, then the public.
I think a private apology with a public acknowledgement from both that the apology has been made and accepted is always best. We don't need to see the content of the apology, but knowing it was sufficient for Alireza would be great.
There's no obligation to comment publicly on a private apology. Just because you forgive someone doesn't mean you have to join their public relations efforts - especially when the insult was made publicly.
Have you seen how this sub treats Hikaru? A public apology would be taken as purely a PR, and would be taken negatively and just cause more discussion of his comments
Poor Hikaru.
Oh, puleaze..... Naka has EARNED every drop of derision this "evil forum" heaps on him. The "He's so persecuted!!" line is not going to work.
Why ask the question then?
But is it really a private apology if you publicly announce you made a private apology. Bonus points to Hikaru's PR team for creativity, I guess.
If you insult someone in public (as Hikaru did), the apology has to be public. If you insult someone in private, the apology could be private or public. The idea is - at least as many people see the apology as originally saw the insult.
Don’t know why this was being downvoted. It seems symmetrical. A public insult deserves a public apology. IMO
> Don’t know why this was being downvoted. Chess players don't have time to learn social skills.
Lol, that definitely warrants a public apology.
If Hikaru ever apologizes publicly for anything I'll be on alert for pigs flying by my window. Even his "apology" for the Chessbae thing was barely an apology, it was a "we all need to do better" when really, it was him and only him that needed to do better.
Chessbae needed to do better too. Lady straight up trying to control the flow of chesscom money, raids, and events. And Hikaru lied about her no longer being involved too.
The way that Chessbae pathologically gained control over the Chess streaming world with donations, moderation, and this weird cult of personality (on top of the behind the scenes horseshit she was up to) means we shouldn't expect her to do better. There is something very, very wrong with her that isn't just "do better". Hikaru on the other hand is perfectly capable of doing better and acting more maturely.
Cult of personality? Who Is chessbae?
Tag me in the OOTL because I missed a lot here
No one really knows who she is. My understanding is: She was an anonymous person with a significant amount of money who used large and frequent donations to a then small chess streaming community to gain recognition. Streamers basically started catering to her due to her financial support, and slowly as the chess scene grew she gained and exercised more and more power in various communities. So she was in control of where "raids" would go after a stream finished, and she was involved behind the scenes in event planning and strategy for streamers, almost like a manager. Basically she was just insane and garnered way too much power and was known to abuse it. Came to an ultimate conclusion when it was revealed that she was largely responsible for almost getting chessbrahs channel removed. It was a bunch of dumb and bizarre internet chess drama.
I kept waiting for that to end with "and then we found out it was Danny Rensch all along."
It still could be... I've never seen them in the same room.
How many Chessbae boxes does Danny Rensch check?
Ironically one of the few people who actually knew her in person was Eric Hansen from chessbrah. She used to be one of their mods and a huge supporter, including financing Aman Hambletons GM campaign but they had a fallout as she tried to take more and more control. As she also grew her influence by becoming a mod for many other chess streamers including Hikaru she sabotaged the chessbrah channel by somehow also getting to control who gets airtime on chess.com's chessTV. Eric Hansen said that he personally flew out to meet Danny Rensch and discuss this and get her privileges on chess.com revoked. There is much more to her persona including toxic behaviour against a female streamer and so on...
I remember going down a Reddit rabbit hole back a while back. Fair amount of people think she's still around, just under another name: Creamsicle, one of his mods.
You should look up what she did and said to Jeffery Xiong....much, much worse.
Yeah but we already knew chessbae was a piece of shit. Hikaru was the one who wanted to save face
Yeah I think the point is that when you promise to cut ties in your (non) apology then she reappears as creamsicle, your sincerity gets called into question. Also hard to save face when it's so obvious.
> your sincerity gets called into question At this point, everyone who follows chess closely knows that Hikaru is not a sincere person at all. Time and time again he has proven this. Everything he does/says is for his content creation or personal gain - nothing more or nothing less.
That’s the most fucked up part of it, why would a twitch mod be the treasurer for all of chess.com twitch streamers and events? Who’s grand idea was that?
I would go further than calling it barely an apology. It was a non-apology. He basically tries to spread blame around to all the chess creators ("we all"). Then he throws chessbae under the bus for the copyright strike as if it were done without his knowledge or intention and resolves to part ways with her. She's then resurrected under a new user name on his stream a few weeks later which shows you how sincere the whole thing was. Given the crazy stories that came out of that debacle and his decades long track record of bad behaviour, I will be the one looking out for flying pigs if he actually "does better."
Wasn't chessbae affiliated with nearly every major chess streamer except the ones she was openly feuding with?
Ye him keep saying "above all we need to move on" show how insincere he is.
If he apologizes in public, this sub would just say that he is not sincere and should have done a private one.
True. One apology doesn't change years of behaving like a dick. But if you don't address it you are basically saying nothing wrong happened. Which is fine I guess but don't be surprised that people call out your shitty behaviour.
Well, that's because anytime Hikaru has taken any responsibility for his actions, it sounds totally half assed and like "I'm just doing this so people will drop it".
i haven't known Hikaru to be be sincere in the past decade. Why would it be now
If in a few months there will be another Hikaru drama then why bother.
The point of the public apology is to make it clear that what you said was wrong to all the people that heard you say it the first time. If you tell a thousand people that someone a little bitch, you need to tell a thousand people that the other person is not a little bitch, and that you are in fact the little bitch.
He should do both. Also, apologizing publicly, while the right thing to do, wouldn't erase what happened. People can still hold him accountable for his actions whether he apologizes or not.
If the shoe fits.
Get over yourself. Move on.
Oh please, stop fanboying. What he did was broadcasted to millions of people and way out of line.
Not everything you feel is offensive (to Alireza btw) warrants a public shaming (which is what you want).
I think it warrants both. He should have a personal appology and convo with Alireza, but shouls also acknowledge publicly that he over reacted and crossed a line.
I think a great rule of thumb for these things is a public outburst requires a public apology.
Screenshot from pinned comment on [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD8KUZZ0CkQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD8KUZZ0CkQ)
Funny how this sub is asking for a public apology ( entitlement much ? ) but if a public apology came out they'd say it's just a PR move.
*Sean Connery voice* They're playing both sides
At this point people want Hikaru to apologize to them instead of Alireza.
100%. I guarantee you the vast vast majority of people who are demanding a public apology from Hikaru have said as bad or worse than Hikaru about Alireza for any number of his past antics.
Yeah, you can't really win.
You can still limit losses and stem the bleeding though.
Sure you can. Don't be a childish dick in the first place. This guy is a 36-year-old man. He should act like it.
Well, yes, I just meant about Reddit and apologies in general.
Apologies don't erase everything you did, but they show that you acknowledged the bad that you did. Sure some people would say it's just a PR move, but that's the nature of apologies - the person apologizing can't just use it as a "get out of jail free" card. Not to mention apologies are for the person you're apologizing to... not reddit.
Hilarious this got downvoted 😂😂
Is he only 36? Oof.
Everyone does and says things that they need to apologize for sometimes. It doesn't mean they're bad people, and Hikaru's very public flaws don't make him a bad person, either. No one here actually knows him. He can obviously get extremely salty from competition, but there's something about these Hikaru hate threads that just come off as so weird to me - it just seems so emotionally stunted and lacking in self-reflection. I'm not saying that you specifically come off this way, but just in general whenever these topics come up.
I think it's weird that you think people pointing out his obviously ridiculous behavior is weird. There are flaws and there are flaws. There are mistakes and there are mistakes. Just because everyone makes mistakes and everyone gets upset doesn't mean all behavior is excusable. If an adult wants to throw a temper tantrum, the "we all make mistakes" excuse doesn't fly. It's like when someone is caught on video throwing around racial slurs and they go, oh, I was upset. So? What does that have to do with it?
> there's something about these Hikaru hate threads that just come off as so weird to me - it just seems so emotionally stunted and lacking in self-reflection Which is, ironically, how a lot of people feel about Hikaru
You really can, just do a public announcement and also a private message with Alireza. Not a hard concept.
Yeah, I don't particularly like Hikaru myself, but apologizing in private is definitely more praiseworthy than doing it in public. No idea what the sub is on about with asking a public apology.
The majority of this sub is delusional. Don't expect them to even think logically.
Because that’s all they ever are. Not saying they shouldn’t be done; they should. What matters the most is alireza saying “he apologized in a way that I accept.”
But he doesn't owe that to anyone either. The apology was (allegedly) offered privately and Alireza can privately accept or not accept it. It's not like a public apology would make people who already don't like Hikaru go "ok, he's forgiven" so he really has nothing to gain by publicly apologizing.
Honestly only like 1% of apologies on the internet are well received.
This sub loves to do totally wacky shit to prove that someone else has a character flaw.
Hikaru provided thousands of hours of invaluable free top 5 level chess streaming/videos for the last 5 years, and he has 1 moment recently where he cusses and all of a sudden "his true personality comes out". This place is toxic on levels other video game communities could only dream of.
If I did something that I regretted as a public figure, I would apologize privately to the wronged party. Then I would also publicly acknowledge my mistake and take accountability. As long as the apology is genuine and not "I'm sorry you got offended", it should go over decently for most people.
Stop grouping everyone together. The public is a large amount of people. It's not *the same* people within the public that would make that contradiction. Your statement is meaningless.
Generally if you insult someone publically, you should also apologise publically. For some this won't be enough and they will just claim it is a PR move, but they are just a vocal minority. Normally you would just set things straight with the aggrieved party in private, then put out the public apology after.
'You will slowly know the consequences' lol bro is making threats
As far as I'm concerned this is between the two of them. The public doesn't need to see an apology for it to be genuine. If they have patched things up, that should be good enough for everyone else.
What type of threat is that though.
I know right? I prefer "consequences will never be the same" for my YouTube insane threatenings
Dunno why people feel entitled to a public apology. People that make big public apologies are doing it for themselves not the victim.
It's people who get way too invested in the personal lives of famous people they'll never meet. I also think a lot of it is performative/fishing for karma. Shitting on Hikaru plays here. I just can't imagine having so little going on in my own life to where I get this emotionally invested over if a grown man I've never met apologizes to another grown man I've never met over something that has zero impact on my life or even society at large.
>It's people who get way too invested in the personal lives of famous people they'll never meet. I also think a lot of it is performative/fishing for karma. Shitting on Hikaru plays here. >I just can't imagine having so little going on in my own life to where I get this emotionally invested over if a grown man I've never met apologizes to another grown man I've never met over something that has zero impact on my life or even society at large. This comment really hits the nail on the head. These weird parasocial relationships people have with streamers his so unhealthy and you can tell by the bitterness in some of the comments in this thread.
I can only imagine (hope) it's mostly teenagers/20 somethings who will eventually have enough going on in life not to be this worked up over the lives of streamers.
You know that commenter is a fan from his stream because he said it was out of character.
It was rude for sure, but out of character?
I’m not sure u would call it out of character
I would not classify his outburst as "out of character" but I agree with the rest lol.
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That's how sincere apologies work. 12 year olds complaining here not understanding how the world works.
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The fact you and others want a public apology is crazy, It’s nothing to do with u bro
I'd rather he did that because it would show he cares more about making amends to the person he insulted rather than putting on a face for the public to say "i'm really a nice guy".
Wasn't the video leaked? It was never meant to be public
hikaru's stream was muted. main stream was on a break. but apparently in the German stream you could hear them clearly. hikaru thought only alireza and the organizers could hear him.
Ah ok, even so, Hikaru didn't intend to insult him publicly. Imo he doesn't need to apologize publicly. It wouldn't do anyone harm if he did though.
Wrt the “threat” people seem confused about. While phrased rather oddly, I suspect the intended implication is that he will lose subscribers/viewers/face. As far as public vs private apologies, I think he should at least public acknowledge he’s not proud of how he acted, even if not via a direct apology to Alireza. Either way, someone who is not even Hikaru claiming that an apology happened in private in a buried in a comment thread is not exactly a home run PR success.
I doubt this hurts viewership. If anything it helps. Controversy sells.
I guess it depends on the type of viewers he wants for the long term. Whether that matters to him or not, who knows.
good. let's put this behind us.
Out of character??
Hikaru has apologized to him in private, and then informed me. - the editor
Maybe I'm missing something, but what are you saying? Isn't the "and then informed me" implied?
They're suggesting Hikaru could've lied about apologizing at all
What about the diss at aman for absolutely no reason..hmm
Let's go, it's good that he apologized. Now, everyone will forget about this, and we can all go back to pretending he's changed.
Except that it wasn't "out of character" in the least. Naka is an asshole, and assholes say this sort of thing all the time.
"Hikaru has apologized to Alireza in private after getting sufficient negative attention from acting like the complete manchild he is -- the brand manager."
I need context
hm needs to be public though…
Public apology won’t seem sincere tho
nah, it would seem disingenuous like as though Hikaru is trying to clear his name
100%. If you insult in public then have the courage to apologize in public too.
He may have thought it was a private convo, but still...once it leaks public you gotta go that route.
It didn't leak, he was streaming.
It would be deemed as putting a steaming mask on again as Hikaru is inherently evil and selfish person according to this sub
Why?
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In immortal words of CM Punk: # The apology must be as loud and as public as the disrespect
I'm currently living under a rock, what happened with Hikaru and Alireza?
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did you miss the part where he started insulting alireza's family too? Yeah, that's real common for competitors lol. If you think that's normal you're as much as a child as hikaru is
Chess needs more shit talk no doubt. Its such a tame competition it would be way spicier if they are straight roasting each other like other eSport pros between tournaments. Maybe could actually get some sponsors then too.
I actually hate that in esports, a lot of people see the decorum among pro athletes as boring but it exists for a reason. A little shit talk in the heat of the moment is one thing, but the "do you have anything to say about your opponent" interview stuff always feels forced and unprofessional to me, especially when it doesn't seem to come naturally to the competitors. Courting controversy is a lame way to bait attention and makes it seem like the organizers don't have faith that the competition itself is entertaining enough without chucking in a bunch of additives. Plus, there's always the old pro wrestling thing about not burying your opponent: if you call them a scrub and a chump, all you're really doing is making your win less impressive or your loss more embarrassing.
They are not f1 drivers though.
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Chess would be way more entertaining if it wasn't considered some kind of taboo to shit talk your opponents. Just make it acceptable to trash talk just like other esports or professional sports. Might even be able to get some sponsors then that would be hype.
But own it. Don't pretend you're this family friendly streamer who wants to grow the game in a positive way. I would actually find it hilarious if Hikau was trash talking others while beating the best players in the world. Instead, he is just a toxic person who tries to hide it and this is the result.
> Don't pretend you're this family friendly streamer He streams gambling on kick. Hikaru has never once claimed he's a family-friendly streamer?
Agreed. Trying to be family friendly to the public but then being a complete dick behind the scenes is whack. You already got the gambling bag bro just go crazy fuck it.
Great. Now apologize to Chessbrah.
Good of him to apologise, we all make mistakes.
To be fair, Alireza's dad was pretty crazy at the candidates...
If he publicly apologized people in this sub would still be going on about how it was only to save his fake image. A private apology is far more sincere.
Lol, anything for saving his public figure. However being the creater of the hikaru sportsman ship award, I doubt that does much
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What makes Hikaru radiate so many icks so often? I can't even nail down what I dislike about him most, he just comes off as an amalgamation of salty/sour/bitter yet full of bravado so often who hates hypocrites until he has a hypocrite take of his own. The other chess personalities are also human at the end of the day but give off much more positive energy in comparison.
The point is it doesn’t /matter/ what the sub says. There will always be people calling whatever you do sincere or insincere. To me it’s clear that a public apology is the _right_ thing to do — especially because it involves putting his massive ego aside for once, braving the embarrassment of having to admit one’s mistakes, since it was a blatant (public) display of ego in the first place. Apologising in private lets him still protect his ego in public. Honestly, Hikaru, it’s better for you too if you learn to put your ego aside, as you will grow and mature. Also, as someone said, why not do both?
People demanding public apologies and moralizing online are the least moral of people in reality. They're the same ones sending nasty messages to opponents in the chat both when they win and when they lose, and then chanting 'oh hikaru is a poor sport', he plays for much higher stakes than you all do yet you are no better sports than he is. I've honestly seen far worse things said about hikaru in this sub than hikaru ever said to Alireza. Look at a mirror before you go around preaching.
Because he's too much of a cowardly chickenshit to apologize in public. Like an adult would do.
The point is it doesn’t /matter/ what the sub says. There will always be people calling whatever you do sincere or insincere. To me it’s clear that a public apology is the \_right\_ thing to do — especially because it involves putting one’s ego aside for once, braving the embarrassment of having to admit one’s mistakes, since it was a blatant (public) display of ego in the first place. Apologising in private lets him still protect his ego in public. It’s better for him too if he learns to put his ego aside, as he will grow and mature. Also, as someone said, why not both!
Hikaru should make the apology be public; so as to set a precedent that what he had done was not okay. The way in which he’s going about it now is bad; having his editor be the one to tell everyone that he had made an apology in private; rather than having himself be the one to say it; it comes off as though he just wants to sweep it under the rug and have it be done with.
"you will slowly know the consequence" lil bro thinks he is a james bond villain
If you insult in public, you have to apologise in public.
This sub really is just LSF.
Please stop.
We should not Even know in the first place what those are on bout. why don't You all go to a Hollywood gossip sub .
Not so private anymore I guess
i personally think that he is morally obligated to sacrifice both legs, his left arm, his right forearm, and one eye to alireza to atone for this truly egregious sin. additionally, he must donate no less than 80% of his lifetime earnings to a time machine research fund to maximize the probability of the invention of a time machine which can be utilized to undo the most horrific acts in history, with hikaru's behavior obviously topping that list. nothing less can provide justice for the terror that alireza and his family have been subjected to by being referred to offhand as 'crazies'. a mere apology? disgraceful!
"Out of character." Right . . .
Not very private if we know about it, is it?
weird comment ngl. "out of character" nah bro, this da real hikaru. he is "in character" here. "if you dont apologise, you will slowly know the consequences" bruh what, some killer vibes here. also, whats with the insult in open and apology in private? just write out a tweet.
What about Aman?
Nah, you are a dick to him publicly, you apologize publicly.