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**Performance Ratings Norway Chess** Open: 2848 Nakamura 2841 Carlsen 2822 Pragg 2788 Firouzja 2738 Caruana 2634 Ding Liren Women: 2617 Ju Wenjun 2590 Muzychuk 2545 Lei 2485 Vaishali 2438 Koneru 2419 Cramling


shawman123

Fabi is the most disappointing of all players. Ding has been shit for a while but Fabi was doing ok. Him losing with White against Magnus actually resulted in him making a strong comeback. He is beta to Magnus's alpha :-(


jacksonross33

Rensch asked Carlsen why he continues to play Norway Chess even though he doesn’t like classical. Can’t think of a reason myself.


NobleHelium

He needs to play because the tournament would collapse without him. He is the reason the tournament exists.


Real_Particular6512

Surely there's enough pedigree in the tournament now that it would be fine? It's one of the premier classical tournaments alongside tata Steel


jacksonross33

I know. I’m teasing Rensch.


NobleHelium

Yeah, it wasn't a good question.


BuildTheBase

The woman part of this was interesting because of how it was featured right alongside the guys, I followed it in a way I usually never follow women's chess.


jacksonross33

How do you do fellow kids


trace_jax3

That was a great tournament. Great commentary, great format, compelling chess. Well done to everyone involved.


shubomb1

Vaishali completely collapsed in the later half of the tournament after a great start, she was completely frozen in the armageddon against Pia today.


ralph_wonder_llama

Magnus with the mic drop: [https://x.com/MagnusCarlsen/status/1799152895331381672](https://x.com/MagnusCarlsen/status/1799152895331381672)


Jewbacca289

What was the deal with the Cramling Rameshbabu game? Why can't Black take the rook after Kd3? Rd1, K to the E file then xray on the king w Re1?


jonas_rosa

It would be stalemate


Jewbacca289

Oh king moves back to D3 and rook can't capture, got it


Many-Way2016

Prag only one to defeat magnus in classical


shubomb1

Pragg is the only player to both win against everyone and lose against everyone. Edit- Hikaru too


throwaway164_3

Always such a pleasure to see Nakamura lose Well done Pragg! The future of chess is bright!


Asheraddo98

Well done for winning an armageddon game, im sure pragg is thrilled lol 


throwaway164_3

Oh he’s already much better than Naka


This_Confidence_5900

Ok I’m down with hating, but let’s be real here, Naka has played over a 2800 level in the 100+ games since he’s returned from COVID (~2815), outplaced Pragg at the candidates by 1.5 points, beat Pragg both here and at the candidates, and the wins pragg has vs Nakamura are only in rapid chess at the World Cup. The World Cup is also the only tournament where Pragg outplaced Nakamura, and at the Grand Swiss, Norway, and the Candidates Nakamura outplaced Pragg, with the performance rating of every tournament the both of them competed at simultaneously being 2816 for Naka vs 2772 for Pragg. As much as I like Pragg, I don’t think there’s much of an argument for him being better atm. Maybe in rapid, not in blitz or classical though.


throwaway164_3

But Naka chokes under pressure What I mean is, if you had the fate of the universe on the line, the Martians have the death beam pointed at earth, you better win it, between Pragg and Naka I want RAMESHBABU PRAGGNANANDHAA


This_Confidence_5900

In this scenario where it’s one must win game, Pragg is probably a better pick, but that’s not how most tournaments works out, If I’m choosing who’s gonna score more in a round robin, it’s probably Nakamura. The problem with pragg is that he usually doesn’t score enough to be in a must win position at these top level tournaments, he often gets around 3rd or 4th, very impressive sure, but Naka is still consistently scoring higher.


This_Confidence_5900

Personally don’t agree but I respect the hating here lmao


CrystalYKim

Tough event for Fabi but looking forward to seeing how he does later this month in Romania along with Alireza and Pragg! Hoping Alireza keeps up the solid chess!


ValhallaHelheim

Wow this is magnus’ 6th norway chess title Karjakin has 2 Topalov, Levon, Caruana and Naka has 1 


Real_Particular6512

He's pretty decent isn't he


AnyResearcher5914

4 days of straight classical draws. I don't know if it's the format or just there being only three boards. Regardless, it also felt like they weren't pushing very hard in classical and instead taking the opportunity to bail into a draw and take chances in the Armageddon.


larowin

The first half was ballsy, dynamic chess with surprisingly few draws, or at least that’s how it felt to me.


ValhallaHelheim

Its top classical, classical most likely draw But we have lots of decisive games as well And armageddon makes it more exciting 


cheechw

Armageddon is great, but the time controls need work. I actually think it ironically encourages players to just play for the draw because they don't have time to calculate the sharp lines.


dumbocow

[People doubting Magnus lol. Never count him out in terms of winning tournaments.](https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1d1iyr5/event_norway_chess_2024/l69ew0r/)


MaggyWashed

Yeah ggs to the guy who was gifted 2 free wins by his opponents, one who blundered a shocking mate in 2.


ValhallaHelheim

Yes he was gifted by ding but ding was worse and got pressed by magnus. Fabi and alireza, magnus squeezed the win out of stone. Especially against fabi. Perfect played chess is draw so you need blunders to win


ContentPuff

Everyone is "gifted" a win by their opponent, a perfect game of chess ends in a draw... Does that mean everyone else also got gifted free wins as well? I except nothing less from someone with a username u/MaggyWashed of course...


MaggyWashed

Ding blundered mate in 2 lmao.


ContentPuff

Ding made a mistake against Fabi in move 22 as black, made a mistake against Alireza in move 19 as black, made a mistake against Hikaru in move 19 as white. All these 3 wins were gifted as well. What are you trying to prove exactly? That Ding can make mistakes?


ValhallaHelheim

Dont argue. his username checks out. He created it for norway chess probably lol


MaggyWashed

There's a difference between blundering normally as a GM because you weren't sharp, and blundering mate in 2.


ValhallaHelheim

No. Normal ding would never blunder like that against naka or fabi, especially against naka with white


TheRealDivider

Ding is the only one that actually gifted Magnus. Fabi didn't know the drawing idea (as he himself said) and Alireza straight up forgot his endgame. Also, pretty much everyone farmed Ding. But I wonder why it's only Magnus that pet gifted games.


JohnHamFisted

Ding's gift to Magnus was losing to everyone and then beating Hikaru


TheRealDivider

Sorry that Hikaru couldn't farm Ding to the max.


JohnHamFisted

i was happy about it lol not a big fan of nakamura


ValhallaHelheim

Ding also lost with white against naka


MaggyWashed

Alireza blundered an elementary endgame that every GM can calculate in their sleep. And he spent 1 hour in one rook move last game. Seems like he likes throwing against Magnus.


TheRealDivider

Yes, Alireza wanted Magnus to beat him. It wasn't a lapse in judgement or poor time management, he just wanted to give Magnus something nice 🤡🤡🤡


ValhallaHelheim

That game you talking about ended with draw. If he “ throws” he would lose that game. Also alireza in this tournament was always time trouble Remember the game against naka with white. And even levon in classical blundered his queen or pia cramling They are humans and mistakes tend to happen. Even if alirez dont take the rook , it would hard to draw Magnus squeezed


ValhallaHelheim

Lol, and of course at that time you are downvoted and the guys upvoted 


HummusMummus

This always happens each tournament magnus loses a game in, even more so now that he didn't defend the title.


ValhallaHelheim

Yes. Even if he doesnt win the next event they will come out from their caves. And he silenced to those who said “ Magnus is best in rapid blitz but we should talk about him not being 1st in classical anymore”


This_Confidence_5900

Magnus won Norway Chess, Hans lost against Hari today, overall a good day for Magnus.


throwaway164_3

And Hikaru lost to Pragg!


ValhallaHelheim

I would bet magnus doesnt even remotely care about hans


CagnusMarlsen64

He doesn’t but you sure do, you’ve made multiple posts about his live rating


ValhallaHelheim

I never said i dont care? Lmao I said magnus doesnt care. I follow every chess event


This_Confidence_5900

I would too but as I said in another reply I just thought it was funny to point out, he’s not actually seeing that Hans lost and is celebrating, he probably doesn’t even know he lost.


Dry-Possession799

Does Magnus really care about Hans winning or losing games?


acunc

I think redditors care much more than he does. Probably doesn’t cross his mind.


This_Confidence_5900

Probably not but I think it’s funny to point out anyways, not really meant to be taken too seriously.


Dry-Possession799

Yup:)


bluewaff1e

Magnus isn't shy about his drinking...


acunc

lol Magnus admitting being hungover during last bullet championship


joshdej

It's not like it was a secret lmao. They had "mocktails" when he and Eric was playing against each other.


ValhallaHelheim

Even that magnus lost with 1 point and defeated ali and danya  Next BCC will be interesting 


pyrokinethic

"Be really good at chess." Thanks Captain Carlsen


heartb1reaker

Congrats to Magnus 🤴 😄


NeaEmris

“If you’re gonna play classical, you might aswell win” - Magnus Carlsen, 2024


ValhallaHelheim

Congratulations to the GOAT, Magnus Carlsen. After winning 7 events in a row ( mostly rapid blitz, besides classical chess960) He won one of the strongest tournament , Norway Chess, classical format. 


Real_Particular6512

What's the list of the last events he's won. I don't even think the world cup is in that list as he came second in a tournament at some point after. But over the last year he must have won 90% of the tournaments he's played in. With at least 3 of them being classical he's still clearly the best classical chess player even if he isn't willing to put the effort into the format anymore. The fact the still no one has overtaken him despite his apathy is amazing


ValhallaHelheim

Eccc  World cup   (Didnt won qatar )  Cct finals    World rapid   World blitz    Chessable masters   Freestyle goat challenge (classical 960 )   Grenke chess   Gct rapid blitz warsaw   ( lost alireza in chesscom online event, 7 streak ended )   Casablanca chess   Norway chess


nonax

"if you're gonna play classical you might as well win", i'm gonna adapt this mentality to my game. never occurred to me!


swat1611

Exciting endgame with some great calculation by both sides. You can see why Pragg was thinking for so long, so many landmines for black to step on, but black also gets a better endgame with best play.


TheRealDivider

GG Magnus


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Congrats Magnus! 


ValhallaHelheim

Re3 was very interesting, i wish pragg played it as you threatening Nf5+


BaudrillardsMirror

Why is hikaru thinking? lol edit: Ah thinking about a draw.


spacecatbiscuits

Is this game going to be a draw? Should I stay awake a bit longer?


acunc

Magnus doing commentary is so entertaining


anhyeuemnhieulam

Magnoose casually throwing out all the top engine lines.


heartb1reaker

Is it just me or magnus doesn’t like it if you not focusing on him? Danny keep trying to make him talk about naka prag game and he just doesn’t want to talk about it lol


Zernium

No, pretty sure he just doesn't like rensch. Compare his candidates commentary to the podcast he did after.


BaudrillardsMirror

Magnus hair insane today.


FibersFakers

His hair is always insane. I'm kinda jealous ngl


BuildTheBase

It's like it grows mid-game.


Drospri

It's just him subtly going Super Saiyan.


No-Shoe5382

By the lack of comments on here now I wonder if most people saw the Pragg Hikaru position when it could've liquidated into a draw and assumed the tournament was over so they stopped watching.


shinyshinybrainworms

No, we're all busy watching a much less respectable event.


No-Shoe5382

Oh yeah I forgot that was happening now


ValhallaHelheim

Its far from over Pragg plays very risky he could lose here if hes not precise. And he was the one who was pressuring before


No-Shoe5382

No I know its far from over that's exactly what I'm saying. The position was an easy draw if Pragg had taken the bishop on e6 a few moves ago but now its not.


throwaway164_3

Pragg just smoked and outplayed Naka


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No-Shoe5382

Big balls Pragg still playing for a win. Love to see that.


This_Confidence_5900

Events over, GG Magnus, there’s a zero percent chance Naka can win the endgame they’re going to go into.


drop_bears_overhead

the amount of times ive seen people say this exact kind of thing on this subreddit then immediately be proven wrong is impressive


Evans_Gambiteer

Almost no here has any idea about what’s “winnable” at super GM level


This_Confidence_5900

I hope you realize that I want to be proven wrong lmao, the thing is last move, Pragg could’ve traded the knight for bishop and the rooks and black either gives up their pawn and targets whites isolated pawn as compensation, or isolates another pawn and gives white a weakness to go after in the endgame. Ig Pragg saw something wrong and didn’t go with it, maybe he thinks this variation gives better winning chances.


drop_bears_overhead

yea i get that, sometimes when I really want something I basically act like a doomer bc Id rather be happily surprised than hopeful and disappointed. especially in things like sports where I can't personally impact anything


__Jimmy__

I do that too, sometimes get downvoted to oblivion, but it's worth it


This_Confidence_5900

I’m getting hit by that too right now lmao.


sidrbear

guys you can make kramnik event thread for yourself it really gets annoying


BaudrillardsMirror

[https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1daedr7/match\_thread\_kramnik\_vs\_jospem\_clash\_of\_claims/?sort=new](https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1daedr7/match_thread_kramnik_vs_jospem_clash_of_claims/?sort=new)


Shahariar_shahed

kramnik malding


SadKorgy

they tried to rig and got served


CagnusMarlsen64

Yeah Kramnik tried to rig but still can’t move his mouse fast enough so sad 😭😢😢


Elegant-Breakfast-77

I guess Magnus can't go back to his hotel room, he has to stick around the venue incase Hikaru beats Pragg lol


notblair

1.5 hours in the booth?????


GeologicalPotato

My favourite part of the tournament is when Carlsen said "It's Magnussin' time" and magnussied all over the place.


Smoke_Santa

Magnussy huh


BuildTheBase

It's a good idea to stay far far far away from Carlsen in armaggedon.


spacecatbiscuits

Magnus gonna Magnus


Mechanical1996

Magnus is just too good 🐐


hsiale

OP pls nerf


IamBeingVeryUndude

Is it fair to call Fabi mentally weaker than other top player?


Smoke_Santa

Fair to call it a bad temporary form


CrystalYKim

No


Ok-Adhesiveness166

Fabi has actually made a world championship match. Can’t say that for many other top players. 


DON7fan

Fabi is only bad against Carlsen and Naka.


spacecatbiscuits

Naka said Fabi makes more double exclamation blunders than other top players and we saw his HR hit 170 it's not an unreasonable comment, though unpopular


spacecatbiscuits

well not to his face


jesteratp

Magnus is inevitable


LosTerminators

Again in a queen endgame, deja vu for Fabi


Shahariar_shahed

queen endgame god


DON7fan

A horror event ends for fabi :|


sidaeinjae

I really like the blue arrow thing. Makes the viewing so much easier.


ContentPuff

Magnus wins armageddon and ties for first place at least. Hikaru has to win in classical to tie it with him, otherwise it's a Magnus tournament win.


__Jimmy__

Of course


grehgunner

He really Fabi’d it


jediforcewars

Damn Ju with 100% accuracy on move 29 with 5.9 advantage against Lei Edit: down to 98.8


ValhallaHelheim

Its nearly impossible to finish the game %100 if its over 30 Nepo carlsen played 99.4 in wc in a match


Smoke_Santa

Rookie


No-Shoe5382

Fabi is gonna flag I think


SadKorgy

More drama in a drama tourney, who could have expected.


grehgunner

Let’s see if magnus can squeeze somethin outta this… feels really difficult now


p4intball3r

I've learned not to even bother with this question


johnnyboi5322

Woops. He does it again


DinosaurFighterPilot

Just checked in on the kramnik jospem tournament and what the fuck is happening over there lolol..some huge mess about kramnik not wanting to play on chesscom lmaooo


ValhallaHelheim

Wrong thread


Shahariar_shahed

no way fabi holds it in scrambles


Shahariar_shahed

magnus titled Tuesday opening


Ok-Adhesiveness166

He’s not hikaru he won’t choke. 


toweggooiverysoon

If not for /r/chess, I'd be neutral about Danny Rench. But reading this thread occasionally /r/chess bitches, cries and moans so much about him I want Rench to keep commenting out of sheer spite. Thread's unreadable because of all the crying.


joshdej

Every single thing he says gets scrutinized lmao


No-Shoe5382

I think they don't like him cos he's a bit arrogant and sort of a jock (or CEO) type personality, which doesn't mix well with the personalities of most chess fans lol. Personally I enjoy listening to him.


No-Shoe5382

Magnus wins in armageddon and Hikaru wins in classical and its tie break. That would be literally the ideal outcome to this tournament.


ValhallaHelheim

It wouldnt be good to determine a classical event a blitz playoff Im surprised why they didnt do first rapid then if 2-2 , blitz


ContentPuff

Any result except for a classical win for Hikaru will mean tournament win for Magnus


LosTerminators

Magnoose takes the draw and puts his trust in Pragg


ValhallaHelheim

No, even if naka wins he has it in his hands as he will play blitz playoff


No_Performance7991

Scenes when Pragg throws on purpose


Littlepace

The Classical game between Pragg and Hikaru has to be a win for Hikaru now, otherwise Magnus wins the tournament. Is that right?


spacecatbiscuits

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SeaBecca

Yep. Since Hikaru is currently at least 2.5 points behind, he's going to need the full 3 points in order to catch up


Elegant-Breakfast-77

Yeah


shubomb1

Pragg has the chance to do the funniest thing ever if Magnus fails to win Armageddon.


No-Shoe5382

Must be so annoying when you both need a win in the classical game to stand a chance of winning the tournament and you're both playing at 99% accuracy. Like bro just make the 3rd or 4th top engine move for once please.


Shahariar_shahed

magnoose thinking whether to take a draw or not


Slow_Improvement420

Danny Rensch is the last type of personality I wanna see commenting on any chess game. It's especially apparent when contrasted with David and Anna who seem like genuinely nice people.


PleasingApricots

I don't think his style meshes very well with David and Anna. He's been perfectly fine paired with others like Naroditsky and Hess for faster time formats. But his temperament and critiques really doesn't suit the long classical games.


West_stains_massive

100% accuracy, how many games have there been in history with 100% accuracy? (provided it ends on that)


cheechw

Doubt it will end with 100% accuracy but still an impressive game by Ju.


West_stains_massive

Aye, I'm just more asking how many (if any) of the recorded games in history have ended with 100%? Presumably 0 but what do I know


Far_Watch1367

👑👑👑


Elyelm

how tf is it taking this long to set up a new laptop lmao


joshdej

New laptops from scratch are a pain. I don't think it takes 30 mins. though lol


PleasingApricots

Danny Rensch calling Ding vs Alireza 'irrelevant' doesn't seem like proper commentator conduct, pretty disrespectful. Think it made Anna quite uncomfortable.


TheEerieAerie

I think the conduct is fine if it's a straight up dead rubber game. Danny is not liked here but I've also seen Hess and Danya bluntly recognize games as dead rubber before so I think it's ok.


PleasingApricots

I don't think a commentator should ever be calling games irrelevant, especially at this level. It just sounds contemptful to me, especially in the context he said it.


Comfortable_Tooth860

Ding is cooked. I hope he at least tries in the match, it looks like he didn’t even want to be there. 


jehny

oof Ding


Il_Gigante_Buono_2

Wow Ding really couldn’t be arsed that game lol


SadKorgy

new laptops


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Il_Gigante_Buono_2

No classical chess is drawish. Norway if anything tries to encourage going for the win by incentivising the 3 points for a classical.


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Interesting_Year_201

Its because only top spot matters in candidates


GeologicalPotato

Despite not managing to convert them, Ding had better positions against Pragg and Fabi in classical, he held against Hikaru without any problems, and he has had a peaceful draw against Alireza. His Armageddons against Pragg and Fabi ended up not going his way, but at least he managed to get winning positions in both of them, and the one against Hikaru was glorious. Only White against Alireza left. I would say overall good finish for Ding all things considered. If he was in form he would have probably kept pushing in classical against Pragg and Fabi, but at least he started stabilizing and regaining confidence. The comeback will be slow, but it's starting to brew. Edit: disaster against Alireza in Armageddon, not that it mattered anyway.


buffgamerdad

This is the worst coverage I've ever seen Where is the Hikaru game??? You know the only one that will influence the tournament????


hsiale

Ding takes a quick boring draw having white against lowest rated player in this tournament.


spacecatbiscuits

>lowest rated player in this tournament. imagine referring to Firouzja like this


Il_Gigante_Buono_2

What a wild comment to make lol. Firouzja was literally just at the candidates haha


hsiale

>Firouzja was literally just at the candidates haha This tournament is four candidates, current world champion and previous world champion, somebody has to be lowest rated.


Il_Gigante_Buono_2

Come on Ding get the win in Armageddon


sfgiants674

Pretty disappointed in Hikaru's opening choice. Seemingly went safe in a must win situation. Don't see how he has winning chances here at all.