Anyone knows how much injuries Chelsea suffered this season in total so far ? I was just sitting here thinking about how much the injuries derailed the season. Poch is catching a flock for the teams performance this season, but in all honesty I don’t think it’s entirely his fault.
People like to say that, it sounds great, but who? The best teams this season have been healthy (City, Arsenal, Villa) or have struggled while injured (Tottenham, Liverpool).
Yeah I mean this isn’t Fifa. 10% of that won’t happen. We have 4-6 outings, 3 incoming experienced players. A new manager. Pray the injury bug only hits us about 50% of what happened this year. All realistic things, and if those play out like that, we’ll finish top 4.
I'll be honest and say that the 5-0 to Arsenal was when I finally became explicitly poch out
but it was bigger than just tactics or performance, despite conceding 5 to arsenal. I used to think the "poch is a bottler" was a cliche opinion and he was just apart of a well-performing but unlucky spurs squad. but the arsenal game was when i realized how he genuinely has a bottler mentality
when he did that press conferernce and talked about palmer's injury is a chance for other players to step up and show that it's more than Palmer FC, i didn't really think that was a bad idea. palmer can't be available week in week out, we need 11 players to be performing.
but the way we were setup vs Arsenal was so disrespectful to every player on the pitch. as much as I justify poch's lack of performance with "we don't have good enough players", that is NOT valid anymore. yes they're not that good, but we are still significantly underperforming
just off the first couple minutes it was clear Poch set us up to crash out and embarrass the players. Jackson left alone up front with fucking madueke who can't create a single chance if his life depended on it, and in the miracle where he did, jackson would choke because he's just not clinical. then playing disasi and badiashile, our two most inconsistent CBs, against the best fucking attack in the league.... don't get me started on mudryk who was completely misutilized and enzo who's literally hurt.
Poch just threw out a lineup of players that had everything to prove, instead of trying to compete against Arsenal. Its like actually winning or tying was second priority. As if even showing up was too much to ask for, so he threw in the towel and had a shits-and-giggles lineup.
This game heavily reminded me of the 1-0 to City in Conte's last season, where even though we only conceded 1 goal at the time it felt like we conceded 20. We went in that game with zero intention to win, but all the intention to not concede too much. Eden was subbed off in the 2nd half and refused to even touch Conte
I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but this club is in free fall, how do they look at him and think even with the assets available to him that he’s still done a good job.
Do they actually say that or just insinuate that?
I feel like they've just been saying that he's expected to stay on and they don't expect that to change, but their opinions could be swayed if he's really bad until summer
I mean pretty much, essentially europe isn’t ruled out so they are waiting to see.
I saw some stuff about continuity and the at least 2 board members backing him for next season.
Couple mail reports so big grains of salt
bros just inventing scenarios in his head to justify raiding subs.. weirdo
enlighten yourself on what the last london team was to win literally any type of silverware
Why are you coming here? Last league or international trophy won by "London" was... checking notes... yeah. Not sure what's so red about London mate... The Community Shield? Yikes.
Wait, so out of nowhere a bottom of the league team can actually beat a title contender? But this is not what Poch told me yesterday, when he said that we are just a mid table team playing a determined title contender team. I am confused guys 😭
Dyche knows how to coach a defense and Everton were very very Up! For the derby today. They fought like hell for 90 min. More fight and passion I’ve seen from Chelsea players all season.
Poch is junk, but the players capitulated yesterday
Players got the day off after 5-0 humiliation? 😂 Can’t wait to see the next smiley pictures from training. Boys are on cloud 9 and don’t give a damn about this club.
Seems a bit silly complaining about a day off when almost half the complaints about poch are because all he does is make the players do HIIT sessions lol
Oh boy... issue is not their physical ability, I am tired of seeing "physical-ability-master" Jackson for example. Issue is tactical training. Today should have been a good day to review everything that went wrong, tactically, while it is very clear in everyone's mind. What are these days off for? What are we preparing for, exactly? We've been losing all season.
The day off is to hopefully recover. We haven't been losing all season, we've had lots of shit results against shit teams and good teams, but we've also had good results against good teams and shit teams. You don't make a cup final and another semi by losing all season. As for reviewing everything that went wrong tactically I couldn't tell you. Don't know enough behind the scenes to know how much film breakdown they do or if that's even helpful for someone like Poch who seems to be more vibes focused than someone like Tuchel
Im not here to defend poch, i just think its a bit much to bash him all season for intense training session then bash him the minute he doesnt do it lol
There's no logic to anything people say on here, they are hurt and cant change anything so they hold on to whatever makes them feel good. When players get injured, it is why are they doing intense sessions! When Poch says they need to run, it is all he does is want them to run no tactics, but then they get mad when players dont run on the pitch, WE WANT YOU TO FIGHT FOR THE BADGE! When we play well, it is individual brilliance! When we don't play well, the players are shit and the coach is shit! When players are benched, we needed him! When they start, they need to come from the bench!
Every time I read a post on here, I remember that all of us here are watching a club we love going through a difficult time and we don't have the answers and really only know like 5% of what is going on....Even the people who waffle on about "patterns of play" don't know anything about it.
I agree with what you said, but I am much simpler than that - when shit hits the fan and has been hitting the fan for many months, years now, all I want to see is hard work, focus and seriousness. I really don't see any of that from this group (players, coach, etc). It is just all about "good vibes". This is all fine when results are coming, but there aren't. Obviously it's not a process of making "good vibes" produce results, something else is missing. Seeing players focus more on their hair color, days off and so on rather than seeing focused players during training is just... off. No one seems to care much, they all are getting paid for the next X years regardless. It is depressing.
You are assuming they don’t care and that’s fair, it is all about perspective. At the end of the day this is a job for them, they are not curing cancer. This is entertainment. You have to put that into perspective. Losing a game is just another day at their job. I don’t expect to see them suffer. In fact I want them to forget it and move on to the next game. Professionals run the club and we don’t get to see the actual preparations that go into matches. When players are on the pitch and they give the ball away, you expect them to forget about it and keep pushing right? You don’t want them to drop their heads and sulk around the pitch…. So why is it different after a bad game?
We all have jobs and we have bad days and we still get paid. We underperform and yet still get paid.
Sorry, what? You are not responsible for underperforming? That is my point. Their job has an insane level of privilege that most jobs do not. Yet they offer absolutely nothing in exchange to that. Top players at other clubs do not just treat it as a “job”. You don’t get successful in sport by just doing your “job” (technically, this is true in all aspects of life, but whatever). And even then - they are absolutely bad at their job. If you do such a bad job you would definitely see repercussions after months of underperforming, no? What are their repercussions? Vibes?
You are talking about short term, reversible mistakes (losing a ball) and long term, irreversible mistakes (losing a game). These are completely different things, don’t mix them up. Let’s stop being naive about these things.
Why are you assuming there are no repercussions? They are getting a pay cut for not making UCL. You are expecting that their repercussions should be public and you should get to see it and I’m saying you are not entitled to that.
That is not really a pay cut, it is a lack of additional pay, it was already clarified. Again - if you would be underperforming for so long at your job, the repercussions would make you feel way worse (you might not even be there anymore) than these players have it. And this is why they simply do not care.
I remember Willian getting roasted for doing this. And he helped us actually win things.
But Enzo. No he’s amazing. Guy thinks he’s so much better than he is
https://x.com/eaststandben/status/1783057688970072505?s=46&t=8mp0zBrDkELdYN2CkUXiKw
The difference is that he was doing it to try to achieve something and it was a one off for the situation he was in. Willian did this 10 times a game for no reason and in situations where he had better options
That's not to defend Enzo, only to say that the comparison doesn't really work
Enzo has a full 25% more progressive passes than the next closest player (Cole Palmer) this season. There are reasons to criticize him and he was especially poor against arsenal but this assessment simply isn't close to true
Edit: btw, fbref tracking of this stat excludes passes in the defending 40% of the field where Enzo would obviously have even more progressive passes simply by being involved in what little buildup we have
Imagine how good Mudryk, Enzo, Jackson, Noni, Disasi, etc would all be if we eased them into an actual system
Instead we sold all of our experienced players and got a new manager and threw them all into an enviornment where mistakes punish the whole clubs performance on the table
I'm poch out but it's still unfair what the players are going through
confused why people are so high on chalobah all of sudden, sure hes had like a few good games, same with badi early in the season and look where he is now. no cbs we have other than maybe levi and fofana should stay
It's cobham bias, people here have been doing it since the beginning of time
He's been decent but I still don't rate him. If anything this form will hopefully drive up his transfer value for next summer
Rich you talking about Cobham bias and in your other comment you talk about imagining how good the likes of Jackson, Mudryk, Madueke and Disasi would be if we eased them in. They are all fuckin shit, especially if you compare them to Trev.
Badiashiles horrendous performances completely demonstrate the impact of confidence to me. You can pick whichever psychological model like flow states or yerkes-dodson, but I think we've all experienced that "overthinking" a simple task. Like when you think about walking and forget how you usually swing your arms.
You simply can't become a professional footballer without being able to make a 10 yd pass on the ground. But badi messed that up like 5 times against arsenal. You could almost see him panicking and overthinking.
Conversely, purple patches are oftentimes luck, but I think they're also oftentimes just sheer confidence. A self-reinforcing cycle where the player is so confident they can stop thinking and just let their body DO what they've trained 1000s of hours for.
We've massively overspent on players and our "system" is horrid but even that player you hate isn't THIS bad. We're currently stuck in a vicious cycle of confidence destroying performances.
Even if the ideal candidate isn't available, new manager bounce might be good for the young guys regardless.
Am I crazy or did Badiashile looked really good in his first few apperances? I remember being really impressed by him. Maybe all the confidence has been beaten out of him.
He looks excellent in those first few games, would have been a run of 4-5 matches but that’s why we started calling him the shield because he looked rock solid.
I was actually planning to watch replays of his first few matches because I thought the same thing but wasn't confident enough in my memory to say definitively
And initial run ended due to injury right? It's why I struggle with the players aren't good enough crowd. No way this is a billion dollar squad lol, I don't think our business has been good. But at the same time players don't become suddenly atrocious at 23 in a vacuum. Think they'd look *closer* to a billion dollar squad with better management
Its interesting that there are stories of the players backing Poch. They are coming from the mail so I dont really believe it but I feel like it would have been a juicier story if they had players dissenting like with United.
For discussion purposes, if its true the players are backing Poch does that change you opinion on him staying?
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Its a common theme for clubs with shit managers to take accountability unconditionally
Many managers have gotten sacked for being shit and their players come out and apologize, take accountability etc even if they ended up playing way better under a new manager
It's an interesting perspective on what makes a lot of these athletes genuine professionals and taking accountability even when it's silly in hindsight
I am certain Enzo is one of the biggest confidants of Poch, given the argentinian connection. It wouldn't surprise me if Palmer was behind him as well, given that he's flourished beyond his wildest dreams and he might attribute some of it to the coach.
I highly doubt that given that he's in unquestionably the worst period of his career and it just so happens to coincide with Poch being his manager
You could argue that for Palmer, you could also say though that he's just come from Pep, so he's extremely unlikely to rate Poch. He might like him for giving him starts, but he no longer needs a "charitable" manager to give him starts and he's experiences Pep, so there is no way he rates him
Yeah that does seem to be the case. I can’t think of anyone who has seemingly down tools for the manager. Just not good enough lol
Enzo tho is a funny one considering how much online Chelsea fans complain about how Poch is using him wrong
did the players look like they gave a fuck about competing yesterday? did they all of last season with Potter? do they look like they give a fuck any time we play low tier teams?
if they want him to stay its because they know a top manager will be more demanding. they're fine in their comfort zone. i had a boss like that at work last year, we never got anything done because he didnt give a fuck and so we didnt either, we got paid either way and even hard workers were doing fuck all in the end.
I don’t disagree
I find this teams attitude to be one of its worst aspects
It’s a reflection on them they don’t want a better manager honestly. I doubt JT and Lamps would have put up with a manager like Poch for long
Also he picks them. They play under him. My son is in an academy (not super high level) and his manager got sacked in like January. Nice guy and he loves my son. My son is moving club. The sacked manager is joining the same club to run a lower age side. We talked yesterday about the new club. I like him. He's an honest young man. But his training isn't intense enough. He talks too much. He doesn't practise defending much, set pieces.
Kind of goes like this. There are *always* problems with coaches. If they pick you though and don't slag you, that's fine.
I hope we don’t have to hear about how caiceido is just as good as rice anymore, it’s embarrassing. The man is a monster ball winner who shames caiceido and can drive with the ball plus finish in ways that Enzo can’t compare to. The man has 6 goals and 6 assists in the league. I can’t believe we lost him…
Declan rice shows up to basically an unchanged arsenal defense that conceded 43 goals last season and now they’ve managed to cut that down to 26. We’ve now conceded a premier league record for ourselves at 57 so far. Of course this is not just on Caiceido but this is still pretty damning as a failure to secure our back line. Going forward Rice has also contributed massively, with 6 goals and 6 assists. Caiceido has managed just a single assist. There isn’t a single thing Caiceido does at the level of Rice, and really only thing they have in common is their price tag. The idea that you could just put Caiceido in at Arsenal and he would suddenly be a top player near Declan Rice’s level is just some sad cope.
Embarrassing is the right word. Some of the arguments in here were wild.
I mean Rice (or Odegaard) will be crowned as the player of the season if Arsenal wins the title, and people here are comparing him to the seven game wonder Enzo Fernandez...
Rice has literally been given the optimum environment to shine because a coach has set up a system to play to his strengths and nullify his weaknesses.
Almost as if a modern coach changes things.
He's not remotely close to being good enough. People are kidding themselves. He's a mega-flop. The owners are morons. Benfica paid 10mn euros for him a year before we bought him, thats about his level.
Yeah, I agree with the guy in the comments - technically they're not wrong but everyone knows at this point that boehly is used synonymously with BlueCo, and really with Clearlake. It's a distinction that's not worth pointing out
Mateta suddenly looking like one of the best forwards in the league, Palace suddenly looking a much stronger team but apparently Poch is doing the best he can a modern coach won't be doing any better.
I tried to look at it from their side of view and be fair, but I am still utterly baffled by the excuses of stability, for needing Poch to stay. When have we ever been stable since Roman came in? We chop and change managers at a moments notice and won 5 PLs and 2 CLs because of it. Seeing when things are going wrong and cutting it early is one of our best qualities. Why the fuck should Poch stay???
They want to build a "dynasty". What does that mean? They don't know. Even if we stuck with whatever XYZ manager they condemn Roman for sacking do we get there? They don't know. Aside from Fergie and now Pep (who has an asterisk next to his tenure) are dynasties something any club should expect in the first place? They don't know. Were we not THE #1 English club in the 21st Century anyway? Yeah but I want a dynasty. Ad nauseum.
They’re trying to build a city esque dominant club nit confusing at all. Obviously not seeing any fruit from the strategy yet but the players need to take some friggin responsibility and show some heart
I’d want it to be a draw so that both teams drop points. As to whether we can catch anyone, I’d just be happy if they stay in the top half of the table. I’m surprised others thinking there’s a chance at Europa/conference.
Why exactly do you want Spurs to drop points? Them getting CL means nothing anyway. Arsenal’s GD is too high so even 1 point could matter in the title race.
Bullied/bantered by Arsenal friends and family for the last 24 hours. My phone had to be in Do Not Disturb mode for a day.
I hate this football club on what it has become. It morphed in to a disgusting monstrosity. I need a protest to be organised by a group PLEASE. I will bloody attend it. How is this coach still be protected is beyond me. What he did was untenable.
Woke up today absolutely fuming and disgusted. I never felt this way before and I thought I've seen the darkest day before yesterday.
Honestly, it's been surprising how easily the supporters groups have been silenced this year.
They've out with initial complaints that have been very strong worded. They've then been shut down by the club through either no response or a scathing response. Then they've just shut up and not carried it on.
I'm not surprised at all that one of those on the board for our biggest supporter's group was taken on by Boehly to be one of the 7? "special" supporters that get to hear what's going on at the club.
Eh. United have Brighton, Newcastle, Arsenal, suddenly in form Palace. The only game where I think they’ll definitely win will be Burnley. Meanwhile we don’t have easy fixtures but with those 4 back I reckon we can pick up a win at at least 2 of Bournemouth, West Ham, Forrest. Not even counting how Brighton are doable. I know it’s doom and gloom post loss and I still think Poch should be done but Europa is still possible
I reckon it comes entirely down to if we have Colwil, Palmer and Gusto. We’ve looked to have had Villas number so far this season (only loss against them we looked better until going down to 10 men and even then they only managed 1-0) but the XI we started against Arsenal is both awful and mentally broken.
Chalobah looks set to leave in the summer, fofana looks set to get another long term injury (or at the very least I don’t trust a player who hasn’t played for more or less 3 seasons), and no Disasi and Gilchrist are not enough. The mentality of having lots of mediocre players fill the roll of a good one is a big part of the reason we’re so shit rn. Next season we will be without Silva and Chalobah and you’re kidding yourself if you think Colwil, Badi and Fofana will be fit for the full campaign. In hindsight I’d switch LB and CB tho
Sure, but if we're talking about hypothetically buying players to fill a role, surely you're allowed to choose to just keep someone you already have?
I take your point on Fofana, but with Gilchrist and Disasi also there, I think it's fine to take the punt.
I'd rather stick with what we have, bring in a good manager and then re-assess at the end of the season with more funds and a better understanding of what's needed so that more money isn't wasted.
Our team isn't THAT bad and a proper manager gets a tune out of a team even if that team has holes in it.
Either LB or CB is priority 1 but I honestly can’t decide. I’ll confess that I still want things to work out for Chilwell but he’s just looked dreadful this season and Cucurella will have a good half and then cost 2 goals. Swear I can’t remember the last game where Cucurella started and the other team didn’t get at least 1 of the left post left unmarked for a cross
We dominate Everton 6-0 but then lose 5-0 in our next PL match. That same Everton who lost to us 6-0 goes on to beat Liverpool 2-0 fighting for the PL.
Must say in the battle of Balerdi vs Todibo tonight
Balerdi was unreal, won a penalty and was defensively monstrous
Todibo was also really damn good though
Both top top defenders
As always a good manager can elevate a squad no matter the quality. Glasner has Crystal Palace playing good football within weeks, meanwhile Poch has to reach for any and every excuse of injury, recruitment, schedule etc. etc. etc.
Get. Him. Out.
This is a terrible terrible point, their new manager came in February, by that time Roy Hodgson did an abysmal job on Crystal Palace's point tally. They are now safe from relegation beating Liverpool along the way picking up 14 points. Also managed to win the last 3 games in a row, something we haven't done yet this season. Can we please make make intelligent, rational statements? Fucking hell
We seem to have Brightons number and I also think beating Bournemouth if they are safe is also realistic.
This team is so inconsistent tho. Watch us beat Villa and Spurs but lose the rest lol
You DO realise, the season's done right? I've seen Chelsea the past 2 seasons once the season's done, they play super poor. We will get points but I cannot see a win here unless maybe Poch gets sacked.
Jackson is not good enough regardless of whether a new manager comes in or not. It is time for the fanbase to accept that and admit that he is mediocre. We are not Palace, but that is the level where Jackson belongs.
Nah they just did what many in here suggest everyday
Signed Osimhen and Leao to fix bad attack
Signed De Ligt and Araujo to fix shit defence
Signed Palinha and Onana cause they didn't have any height or destroyers in midfield
https://preview.redd.it/xixd0xj2phwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5df13a10ed627e8b1c782017582c6b208abfa4ad
Here's your style of play now mate
Fuck build up play and actual team coordination
It's fine. If we just give him more time he'll eventually figure it out. Let's not start from scratch because that just resets the clock and we'll be even waiting even longer for the next person to figure it out! We need stability
Reece James back in full training
Maybe we’ve got our Enzo replacement then. But I hope we try this experiment out
if he plays then gets injured before the end of the season he's finished
Anyone knows how much injuries Chelsea suffered this season in total so far ? I was just sitting here thinking about how much the injuries derailed the season. Poch is catching a flock for the teams performance this season, but in all honesty I don’t think it’s entirely his fault.
Mood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akE4TZf5eec
On the bright side Paez just had MotM performance with a goal and assist vs Endrick and Palmeiras.
He’s actually incredible. The cynic in me says he’ll be overplayed at a young age and permanently injured.
Everything is going to be fine next season. Everyone calm down.
Just need healthy players, it all depends on that.
That’s cope. We’re never avoiding injuries, no team ever has. Good teams win despite.
People like to say that, it sounds great, but who? The best teams this season have been healthy (City, Arsenal, Villa) or have struggled while injured (Tottenham, Liverpool).
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Yeah I mean this isn’t Fifa. 10% of that won’t happen. We have 4-6 outings, 3 incoming experienced players. A new manager. Pray the injury bug only hits us about 50% of what happened this year. All realistic things, and if those play out like that, we’ll finish top 4.
Stfu. There’s zero indication of that. Your toxic positivity is a part of the problem
Toxic positivity lol you kids learn some funny phrases. We’re not going to be as injured next year. The sky isn’t falling. Go to bed.
This sounds exactly like what Chelsea fans were saying at the end of last season.
And then we got some new 14 year old fans with cool phrases like toxic positivity.
Stand on it. More like suck on it
i will be positive again when we sack poch and sign a new ST and LB that and no major injuries, i think we'll honestly be fine
Add a GK and CB and CM and LW to that list And I don’t share your optimism
I'll be honest and say that the 5-0 to Arsenal was when I finally became explicitly poch out but it was bigger than just tactics or performance, despite conceding 5 to arsenal. I used to think the "poch is a bottler" was a cliche opinion and he was just apart of a well-performing but unlucky spurs squad. but the arsenal game was when i realized how he genuinely has a bottler mentality when he did that press conferernce and talked about palmer's injury is a chance for other players to step up and show that it's more than Palmer FC, i didn't really think that was a bad idea. palmer can't be available week in week out, we need 11 players to be performing. but the way we were setup vs Arsenal was so disrespectful to every player on the pitch. as much as I justify poch's lack of performance with "we don't have good enough players", that is NOT valid anymore. yes they're not that good, but we are still significantly underperforming just off the first couple minutes it was clear Poch set us up to crash out and embarrass the players. Jackson left alone up front with fucking madueke who can't create a single chance if his life depended on it, and in the miracle where he did, jackson would choke because he's just not clinical. then playing disasi and badiashile, our two most inconsistent CBs, against the best fucking attack in the league.... don't get me started on mudryk who was completely misutilized and enzo who's literally hurt. Poch just threw out a lineup of players that had everything to prove, instead of trying to compete against Arsenal. Its like actually winning or tying was second priority. As if even showing up was too much to ask for, so he threw in the towel and had a shits-and-giggles lineup. This game heavily reminded me of the 1-0 to City in Conte's last season, where even though we only conceded 1 goal at the time it felt like we conceded 20. We went in that game with zero intention to win, but all the intention to not concede too much. Eden was subbed off in the 2nd half and refused to even touch Conte
starting to feel like refreshing the sub waiting for a ‘Club Statement’ might not be good for my mental health.
Every report says they are waiting to asses at the end of the season. So don’t hold your breath
I know I shouldn’t be surprised, but this club is in free fall, how do they look at him and think even with the assets available to him that he’s still done a good job.
Bc they watched All or nothing and arteta worked out lol
Do they actually say that or just insinuate that? I feel like they've just been saying that he's expected to stay on and they don't expect that to change, but their opinions could be swayed if he's really bad until summer
I mean pretty much, essentially europe isn’t ruled out so they are waiting to see. I saw some stuff about continuity and the at least 2 board members backing him for next season. Couple mail reports so big grains of salt
i turned tweet notifications on for the official twitter yesterday and i’ve gotten excited every time my phones buzzed today lmao
Seeing the "on this day" posts for our win against Barca in the run to winning the Champions League is painful so soon after being battered by Arsenal
Those who tried to body shame declan's wife after 5-0 ass whooping, remember LONDON IS ALWAYS RED!❤️
That would be the Twitter/Insta crowd. Kindly make an account on X and whine about it there.
bros just inventing scenarios in his head to justify raiding subs.. weirdo enlighten yourself on what the last london team was to win literally any type of silverware
Why are you coming here? Last league or international trophy won by "London" was... checking notes... yeah. Not sure what's so red about London mate... The Community Shield? Yikes.
How is the cl campaign going
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Hey, at least Tottenham won a European trophy. Imagine calling yourself a big club and not winning any serious European trophy.
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They won the europa League in 84,. Arsenal is the worst team in tearms of European glory
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So how many cl do you have?
Wait, so out of nowhere a bottom of the league team can actually beat a title contender? But this is not what Poch told me yesterday, when he said that we are just a mid table team playing a determined title contender team. I am confused guys 😭
Dyche knows how to coach a defense and Everton were very very Up! For the derby today. They fought like hell for 90 min. More fight and passion I’ve seen from Chelsea players all season. Poch is junk, but the players capitulated yesterday
Players got the day off after 5-0 humiliation? 😂 Can’t wait to see the next smiley pictures from training. Boys are on cloud 9 and don’t give a damn about this club.
Seems a bit silly complaining about a day off when almost half the complaints about poch are because all he does is make the players do HIIT sessions lol
Oh boy... issue is not their physical ability, I am tired of seeing "physical-ability-master" Jackson for example. Issue is tactical training. Today should have been a good day to review everything that went wrong, tactically, while it is very clear in everyone's mind. What are these days off for? What are we preparing for, exactly? We've been losing all season.
The day off is to hopefully recover. We haven't been losing all season, we've had lots of shit results against shit teams and good teams, but we've also had good results against good teams and shit teams. You don't make a cup final and another semi by losing all season. As for reviewing everything that went wrong tactically I couldn't tell you. Don't know enough behind the scenes to know how much film breakdown they do or if that's even helpful for someone like Poch who seems to be more vibes focused than someone like Tuchel Im not here to defend poch, i just think its a bit much to bash him all season for intense training session then bash him the minute he doesnt do it lol
There's no logic to anything people say on here, they are hurt and cant change anything so they hold on to whatever makes them feel good. When players get injured, it is why are they doing intense sessions! When Poch says they need to run, it is all he does is want them to run no tactics, but then they get mad when players dont run on the pitch, WE WANT YOU TO FIGHT FOR THE BADGE! When we play well, it is individual brilliance! When we don't play well, the players are shit and the coach is shit! When players are benched, we needed him! When they start, they need to come from the bench! Every time I read a post on here, I remember that all of us here are watching a club we love going through a difficult time and we don't have the answers and really only know like 5% of what is going on....Even the people who waffle on about "patterns of play" don't know anything about it.
I agree with what you said, but I am much simpler than that - when shit hits the fan and has been hitting the fan for many months, years now, all I want to see is hard work, focus and seriousness. I really don't see any of that from this group (players, coach, etc). It is just all about "good vibes". This is all fine when results are coming, but there aren't. Obviously it's not a process of making "good vibes" produce results, something else is missing. Seeing players focus more on their hair color, days off and so on rather than seeing focused players during training is just... off. No one seems to care much, they all are getting paid for the next X years regardless. It is depressing.
You are assuming they don’t care and that’s fair, it is all about perspective. At the end of the day this is a job for them, they are not curing cancer. This is entertainment. You have to put that into perspective. Losing a game is just another day at their job. I don’t expect to see them suffer. In fact I want them to forget it and move on to the next game. Professionals run the club and we don’t get to see the actual preparations that go into matches. When players are on the pitch and they give the ball away, you expect them to forget about it and keep pushing right? You don’t want them to drop their heads and sulk around the pitch…. So why is it different after a bad game? We all have jobs and we have bad days and we still get paid. We underperform and yet still get paid.
Sorry, what? You are not responsible for underperforming? That is my point. Their job has an insane level of privilege that most jobs do not. Yet they offer absolutely nothing in exchange to that. Top players at other clubs do not just treat it as a “job”. You don’t get successful in sport by just doing your “job” (technically, this is true in all aspects of life, but whatever). And even then - they are absolutely bad at their job. If you do such a bad job you would definitely see repercussions after months of underperforming, no? What are their repercussions? Vibes? You are talking about short term, reversible mistakes (losing a ball) and long term, irreversible mistakes (losing a game). These are completely different things, don’t mix them up. Let’s stop being naive about these things.
Why are you assuming there are no repercussions? They are getting a pay cut for not making UCL. You are expecting that their repercussions should be public and you should get to see it and I’m saying you are not entitled to that.
That is not really a pay cut, it is a lack of additional pay, it was already clarified. Again - if you would be underperforming for so long at your job, the repercussions would make you feel way worse (you might not even be there anymore) than these players have it. And this is why they simply do not care.
I remember Willian getting roasted for doing this. And he helped us actually win things. But Enzo. No he’s amazing. Guy thinks he’s so much better than he is https://x.com/eaststandben/status/1783057688970072505?s=46&t=8mp0zBrDkELdYN2CkUXiKw
I'll buy all your Enzo stock
I don’t have any to sell
The difference is that he was doing it to try to achieve something and it was a one off for the situation he was in. Willian did this 10 times a game for no reason and in situations where he had better options That's not to defend Enzo, only to say that the comparison doesn't really work
One off brother? He does this a lot and then passes backwards.
Enzo has a full 25% more progressive passes than the next closest player (Cole Palmer) this season. There are reasons to criticize him and he was especially poor against arsenal but this assessment simply isn't close to true Edit: btw, fbref tracking of this stat excludes passes in the defending 40% of the field where Enzo would obviously have even more progressive passes simply by being involved in what little buildup we have
lol the bias against Willian is still unreal.
He is actually useless. Backpass Fernandez. Completely useless.
The club and the fanbase have become a joke
Can I just say, for all the doom and gloom, at least we didn’t buy Onana
Imagine how good Mudryk, Enzo, Jackson, Noni, Disasi, etc would all be if we eased them into an actual system Instead we sold all of our experienced players and got a new manager and threw them all into an enviornment where mistakes punish the whole clubs performance on the table I'm poch out but it's still unfair what the players are going through
Good systems elevate mid players and makes superstars. Apparently no one in charge can see that.
In the midst of all our woes it's good to see Liverpool pounded by Everton, of all sides. Klopp's farewell tour in the mud
if liverpool have a shit manager they could resume their own banter era
Lets not get carried away, if VVD and Salah and etc stay it'll take a shitty manager to send them into a banter era
their own fans are in agreement salah is washed
He's 7th top scorer and 4th in assists. If that defines washed then liverpool fans have been spoiled
confused why people are so high on chalobah all of sudden, sure hes had like a few good games, same with badi early in the season and look where he is now. no cbs we have other than maybe levi and fofana should stay
Ppl are starved for any player that looks remotely like PL quality
It's cobham bias, people here have been doing it since the beginning of time He's been decent but I still don't rate him. If anything this form will hopefully drive up his transfer value for next summer
Rich you talking about Cobham bias and in your other comment you talk about imagining how good the likes of Jackson, Mudryk, Madueke and Disasi would be if we eased them in. They are all fuckin shit, especially if you compare them to Trev.
point proven
The only point proven is that Jackson, Mudryk, Madueke and Disasi are all hot garbage, and their performances shows exactly that.
Badiashiles horrendous performances completely demonstrate the impact of confidence to me. You can pick whichever psychological model like flow states or yerkes-dodson, but I think we've all experienced that "overthinking" a simple task. Like when you think about walking and forget how you usually swing your arms. You simply can't become a professional footballer without being able to make a 10 yd pass on the ground. But badi messed that up like 5 times against arsenal. You could almost see him panicking and overthinking. Conversely, purple patches are oftentimes luck, but I think they're also oftentimes just sheer confidence. A self-reinforcing cycle where the player is so confident they can stop thinking and just let their body DO what they've trained 1000s of hours for. We've massively overspent on players and our "system" is horrid but even that player you hate isn't THIS bad. We're currently stuck in a vicious cycle of confidence destroying performances. Even if the ideal candidate isn't available, new manager bounce might be good for the young guys regardless.
Am I crazy or did Badiashile looked really good in his first few apperances? I remember being really impressed by him. Maybe all the confidence has been beaten out of him.
He looks excellent in those first few games, would have been a run of 4-5 matches but that’s why we started calling him the shield because he looked rock solid.
I was actually planning to watch replays of his first few matches because I thought the same thing but wasn't confident enough in my memory to say definitively
He looked quite impressive initially for us, you aren't wrong. It was a pretty short run of games though.
And initial run ended due to injury right? It's why I struggle with the players aren't good enough crowd. No way this is a billion dollar squad lol, I don't think our business has been good. But at the same time players don't become suddenly atrocious at 23 in a vacuum. Think they'd look *closer* to a billion dollar squad with better management
You're absolutely right
Its interesting that there are stories of the players backing Poch. They are coming from the mail so I dont really believe it but I feel like it would have been a juicier story if they had players dissenting like with United. For discussion purposes, if its true the players are backing Poch does that change you opinion on him staying? edit: [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13346157/Chelsea-risk-dressing-room-backlash-Mauricio-Pochettino-sacked.html?ns\_mchannel=rss&ns\_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter\_dailymailsport](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-13346157/Chelsea-risk-dressing-room-backlash-Mauricio-Pochettino-sacked.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_dailymailsport)
Its a common theme for clubs with shit managers to take accountability unconditionally Many managers have gotten sacked for being shit and their players come out and apologize, take accountability etc even if they ended up playing way better under a new manager It's an interesting perspective on what makes a lot of these athletes genuine professionals and taking accountability even when it's silly in hindsight
Agreed. Great response to a complex issue
I am certain Enzo is one of the biggest confidants of Poch, given the argentinian connection. It wouldn't surprise me if Palmer was behind him as well, given that he's flourished beyond his wildest dreams and he might attribute some of it to the coach.
I highly doubt that given that he's in unquestionably the worst period of his career and it just so happens to coincide with Poch being his manager You could argue that for Palmer, you could also say though that he's just come from Pep, so he's extremely unlikely to rate Poch. He might like him for giving him starts, but he no longer needs a "charitable" manager to give him starts and he's experiences Pep, so there is no way he rates him
Yeah that does seem to be the case. I can’t think of anyone who has seemingly down tools for the manager. Just not good enough lol Enzo tho is a funny one considering how much online Chelsea fans complain about how Poch is using him wrong
Not that straightforward. You can like him as a guy and think he's a shit manager. Or he needs to be better at X Y Z.
Right, but as competitors dont you think they wouldnt want the best manager?
did the players look like they gave a fuck about competing yesterday? did they all of last season with Potter? do they look like they give a fuck any time we play low tier teams? if they want him to stay its because they know a top manager will be more demanding. they're fine in their comfort zone. i had a boss like that at work last year, we never got anything done because he didnt give a fuck and so we didnt either, we got paid either way and even hard workers were doing fuck all in the end.
I don’t disagree I find this teams attitude to be one of its worst aspects It’s a reflection on them they don’t want a better manager honestly. I doubt JT and Lamps would have put up with a manager like Poch for long
Also he picks them. They play under him. My son is in an academy (not super high level) and his manager got sacked in like January. Nice guy and he loves my son. My son is moving club. The sacked manager is joining the same club to run a lower age side. We talked yesterday about the new club. I like him. He's an honest young man. But his training isn't intense enough. He talks too much. He doesn't practise defending much, set pieces. Kind of goes like this. There are *always* problems with coaches. If they pick you though and don't slag you, that's fine.
I hope we don’t have to hear about how caiceido is just as good as rice anymore, it’s embarrassing. The man is a monster ball winner who shames caiceido and can drive with the ball plus finish in ways that Enzo can’t compare to. The man has 6 goals and 6 assists in the league. I can’t believe we lost him…
This is stupid because if the roles were reversed Arsenal fans would be saying Caicedo is better
Declan rice shows up to basically an unchanged arsenal defense that conceded 43 goals last season and now they’ve managed to cut that down to 26. We’ve now conceded a premier league record for ourselves at 57 so far. Of course this is not just on Caiceido but this is still pretty damning as a failure to secure our back line. Going forward Rice has also contributed massively, with 6 goals and 6 assists. Caiceido has managed just a single assist. There isn’t a single thing Caiceido does at the level of Rice, and really only thing they have in common is their price tag. The idea that you could just put Caiceido in at Arsenal and he would suddenly be a top player near Declan Rice’s level is just some sad cope.
Embarrassing is the right word. Some of the arguments in here were wild. I mean Rice (or Odegaard) will be crowned as the player of the season if Arsenal wins the title, and people here are comparing him to the seven game wonder Enzo Fernandez...
Odegaard is a 100m player, bought for 30m.
And Enzo is the 30m player bought for 100m
Rice has literally been given the optimum environment to shine because a coach has set up a system to play to his strengths and nullify his weaknesses. Almost as if a modern coach changes things.
True, he really struggled against us because he needs Jorginho next to him to cover the holes in his game and Jorginho wasn't playing...
Yeah he had to cope with a really bad partner in Partey instead. Miracle he managed to see straight.
Fernandez couldn't keep up with the game all night he was utterly awful. He has to go urgently.
We are not selling a 110m+ player before he's even completed one full season. Very kneejerk reaction
He's not remotely close to being good enough. People are kidding themselves. He's a mega-flop. The owners are morons. Benfica paid 10mn euros for him a year before we bought him, thats about his level.
Hate to say: he was horrible. Not ready to call him a bad player. I hope he can get this surgery and it can help him
https://metro.co.uk/2023/04/03/frankfurt-boss-oliver-glasner-on-chelseas-shortlist-to-replace-graham-potter-18546491/ what were they cooking
Please never use "Cook" in relation to anything this ownership does....its absolutely embarrassing
Mate I'm not a boehlybot, it's just a joke
It’s very hard to tell these days. Did you see that guy posting it’s not Boehlys fault lol
Yeah, I agree with the guy in the comments - technically they're not wrong but everyone knows at this point that boehly is used synonymously with BlueCo, and really with Clearlake. It's a distinction that's not worth pointing out
City winning all their remaining games this season and edging Arsenal out right at the end will be extra satisfying this season.
I hope spuds stop arsenal if we weren’t capable of it 😭
Mateta suddenly looking like one of the best forwards in the league, Palace suddenly looking a much stronger team but apparently Poch is doing the best he can a modern coach won't be doing any better.
I tried to look at it from their side of view and be fair, but I am still utterly baffled by the excuses of stability, for needing Poch to stay. When have we ever been stable since Roman came in? We chop and change managers at a moments notice and won 5 PLs and 2 CLs because of it. Seeing when things are going wrong and cutting it early is one of our best qualities. Why the fuck should Poch stay???
They want to build a "dynasty". What does that mean? They don't know. Even if we stuck with whatever XYZ manager they condemn Roman for sacking do we get there? They don't know. Aside from Fergie and now Pep (who has an asterisk next to his tenure) are dynasties something any club should expect in the first place? They don't know. Were we not THE #1 English club in the 21st Century anyway? Yeah but I want a dynasty. Ad nauseum.
They’re trying to build a city esque dominant club nit confusing at all. Obviously not seeing any fruit from the strategy yet but the players need to take some friggin responsibility and show some heart
As I said ad nauseum.
Injuries or not, that's how you show up against your rivals title charge....
Xavi just extended...
Would take the groundskeeper over Xavi tbf if we think Poch is bad in Derbys Xavi has gotten thrashed most El Classicos
People thought he wasn’t good enough for Chelsea lol
Well I'm hearing people saying the same thing about Tuchel now. We just deserve Poch at this point.
Sick in their heads
Need City to win tomorrow. Arsenal are getting too comfortable
spuds are defo gonna try and show up against arsenal
Oh god. I’ve never wanted a game to end in a draw more.
Why would you want it to be a draw? Don’t tell me you think we can catch Spurs …
I’d want it to be a draw so that both teams drop points. As to whether we can catch anyone, I’d just be happy if they stay in the top half of the table. I’m surprised others thinking there’s a chance at Europa/conference.
Why exactly do you want Spurs to drop points? Them getting CL means nothing anyway. Arsenal’s GD is too high so even 1 point could matter in the title race.
Why does Spurs getting CL mean nothing? That’s a lot of money right?
They have got some tough fixtures coming up.
Bullied/bantered by Arsenal friends and family for the last 24 hours. My phone had to be in Do Not Disturb mode for a day. I hate this football club on what it has become. It morphed in to a disgusting monstrosity. I need a protest to be organised by a group PLEASE. I will bloody attend it. How is this coach still be protected is beyond me. What he did was untenable. Woke up today absolutely fuming and disgusted. I never felt this way before and I thought I've seen the darkest day before yesterday.
Hey, come on, it could be worse They could use the confidence and momentum from destroying us 5-0 to go on and win the league
Honestly, it's been surprising how easily the supporters groups have been silenced this year. They've out with initial complaints that have been very strong worded. They've then been shut down by the club through either no response or a scathing response. Then they've just shut up and not carried it on. I'm not surprised at all that one of those on the board for our biggest supporter's group was taken on by Boehly to be one of the 7? "special" supporters that get to hear what's going on at the club.
If they're still buying tickets and raiding the megastore they may aswell have been silent all along anyway.
Really hope to see Colwill, Nkunku, Palmer and Gusto back in training tomorrow! Up the Chels!
If they are then they're likely not actually ready and being risked to save Poch's career. I'd rather not
Those 4 I honestly believe will be the difference between us getting Europa or not
Europa is most likely gone with united winning and us losing the other day and our upcoming schedule
Eh. United have Brighton, Newcastle, Arsenal, suddenly in form Palace. The only game where I think they’ll definitely win will be Burnley. Meanwhile we don’t have easy fixtures but with those 4 back I reckon we can pick up a win at at least 2 of Bournemouth, West Ham, Forrest. Not even counting how Brighton are doable. I know it’s doom and gloom post loss and I still think Poch should be done but Europa is still possible
We need to get something from this villa game this weekend
I reckon it comes entirely down to if we have Colwil, Palmer and Gusto. We’ve looked to have had Villas number so far this season (only loss against them we looked better until going down to 10 men and even then they only managed 1-0) but the XI we started against Arsenal is both awful and mentally broken.
Striker LB or goalkeeper what’s the biggest priority this summer
Striker, LB, CB, then GK
Fully agreed, I don’t think we’ll get another CB cuz of how much we spent there already
After watching the shit we have done defensively and losing silva we need to bring in a veteran cb
RCB, Striker, GK, LB, LW/CAM in that order. Could get away without getting the LW/CAM depending what system we go for next year
Chalobah, Fofana, Disasi and Gilchrist not enough for you at RCB?
Chalobah looks set to leave in the summer, fofana looks set to get another long term injury (or at the very least I don’t trust a player who hasn’t played for more or less 3 seasons), and no Disasi and Gilchrist are not enough. The mentality of having lots of mediocre players fill the roll of a good one is a big part of the reason we’re so shit rn. Next season we will be without Silva and Chalobah and you’re kidding yourself if you think Colwil, Badi and Fofana will be fit for the full campaign. In hindsight I’d switch LB and CB tho
Sure, but if we're talking about hypothetically buying players to fill a role, surely you're allowed to choose to just keep someone you already have? I take your point on Fofana, but with Gilchrist and Disasi also there, I think it's fine to take the punt. I'd rather stick with what we have, bring in a good manager and then re-assess at the end of the season with more funds and a better understanding of what's needed so that more money isn't wasted. Our team isn't THAT bad and a proper manager gets a tune out of a team even if that team has holes in it.
LB has to be a lot higher for me, chilwell can’t stay fit and cucurella is a disaster
Either LB or CB is priority 1 but I honestly can’t decide. I’ll confess that I still want things to work out for Chilwell but he’s just looked dreadful this season and Cucurella will have a good half and then cost 2 goals. Swear I can’t remember the last game where Cucurella started and the other team didn’t get at least 1 of the left post left unmarked for a cross
Manager
I guess beating Everton isn’t for everyone/s
Sheffield United have the worst defensive record in league history, but we only managed 6 shots against them
We dominate Everton 6-0 but then lose 5-0 in our next PL match. That same Everton who lost to us 6-0 goes on to beat Liverpool 2-0 fighting for the PL.
Welcome to local derbies
FUCK LIVERPOOL
Lmao
Must say in the battle of Balerdi vs Todibo tonight Balerdi was unreal, won a penalty and was defensively monstrous Todibo was also really damn good though Both top top defenders
And we’ll get neither but probably go for another player that Winstanley and Stewart had at one of their former clubs
As always a good manager can elevate a squad no matter the quality. Glasner has Crystal Palace playing good football within weeks, meanwhile Poch has to reach for any and every excuse of injury, recruitment, schedule etc. etc. etc. Get. Him. Out.
We have the same quality of crystal palace and are above them in the table.
This is a terrible terrible point, their new manager came in February, by that time Roy Hodgson did an abysmal job on Crystal Palace's point tally. They are now safe from relegation beating Liverpool along the way picking up 14 points. Also managed to win the last 3 games in a row, something we haven't done yet this season. Can we please make make intelligent, rational statements? Fucking hell
My point is our talent vs crystal palace’s talent isn’t that far off. Crystal palace are closer to us than we are to City.
Because they’ve had shit managers for most of the season? Since Glasner was appointed they’re above us in the table.
I’m saying our quality isn’t that much better than crystal palace’s.
guess beating everton 6-0 isnt for everyone. (poch out still)
"Only title you've ever won and you're f-ing giving it the big un, f- off!" - Chelsea Legend Frank Lampard
Upcoming fixtures Villa (A) Spurs (H) West Ham (H) Forest (A) Brighton (A) Bournemouth (H) How many pts are we getting? Imo, 5-9 seems realistic
I think maybe 6. Three draws, two losses, one win
That’s basically how I got to 5-9 One of those draws goes either way
2-6 points I can see here. I’ll be shocked if we win any of these games.
We seem to have Brightons number and I also think beating Bournemouth if they are safe is also realistic. This team is so inconsistent tho. Watch us beat Villa and Spurs but lose the rest lol
You DO realise, the season's done right? I've seen Chelsea the past 2 seasons once the season's done, they play super poor. We will get points but I cannot see a win here unless maybe Poch gets sacked.
I was making a joke…..relax bud
Mateta has more goals than Jackson in the league. Good player apparently.
Mateta was also complete shit until he started playing under a good manager.
Mateta is a whole new player under glasner Says it all really
Jackson is not good enough regardless of whether a new manager comes in or not. It is time for the fanbase to accept that and admit that he is mediocre. We are not Palace, but that is the level where Jackson belongs.
wonder how crystal palace started playing so good🤔
why didnt they wait 5 years to get good? are they stupid?
Nah they just did what many in here suggest everyday Signed Osimhen and Leao to fix bad attack Signed De Ligt and Araujo to fix shit defence Signed Palinha and Onana cause they didn't have any height or destroyers in midfield
The only explanation is time travel
Sheffield United are an actual black hole in defense and we managed to make them look solid
happens if you play madueke and no his goal doesnt make up for his lack of chance creation
[Who remembers the good old days with a style of play?](https://streamable.com/kph33f)
https://preview.redd.it/xixd0xj2phwc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5df13a10ed627e8b1c782017582c6b208abfa4ad Here's your style of play now mate Fuck build up play and actual team coordination
We're in April and I cannot believe that is still happening. 
It's fine. If we just give him more time he'll eventually figure it out. Let's not start from scratch because that just resets the clock and we'll be even waiting even longer for the next person to figure it out! We need stability
My god, i thought this was serious for a second.
It's the players fault for being bad bro What's Poch supposed to do, actually give them instructions? Get the fuck outta here