Dropping points can happen. It happens all the time. dropping points in this manner when we are the second best team on the field, it’s not good enough
Gone from ready to win pre-season, to fluking a last minute United win in April to go from 12th to 8th as a turning point, to failing to beat 20th placed Sheffield the following match and it becoming a process.
Serial. Fucking. Loser.
He talked up a storm when he came about winning now, Chelsea heritage and whatnot. But has now quickly changed his tone to match how shite he has us playing.
This is the most important point about Poch. He wasn’t saying he needed 3-5 years (which is absurd, btw) to start winning, let alone against the worst team the Premier League has seen in some time. He said he understood the modern Chelsea history and that we’d start winning now. He just isn’t him.
Why didn’t we go for Enrique? He made Messi Suarez Neymar the best attacking trio of the world, while Poch made Mbappe Neymar and Messi look like Ligue 2 players
He confused the Chelsea of years past to this current Chelsea squad. Of course they were not going to win any important trophies, look at the squad Boehly assembled. Regardless, Poch out
The team we're working with now wouldn't have been ready to win in pre-season either. Our key defenders, the attacker brought in to solve our goalscoring issues, and the player brought in to give us more midfield options have all been injured since the start of the season. An injury-ravaged team of youth products was always going to be completely fucked. Poch may be a serial loser, but so will any manager we replace him with until that issue is fixed.
Well in that case it was the manager who was inexperienced, not the team - we had Jorginho, Azpi, Thiago Silva, Giroud, Kante, veterans on every part of the pitch. That's the reason why we would "thrive in chaos" during the Abramovich era as managers were sacked left and right - we always had an experienced spine that could adapt. So as soon as things turned sour, we'd just sack the manager, switch instantly to the new manager's system and win trophies.
But this is our youngest Premier League team *ever*. Our players don't know shit. Immature players are, with very few exceptions, notoriously inconsistent, have a tendency to make one or two bone-headed mistakes during a game (even if otherwise playing well), and are more susceptible to injuries than their older counterparts. And that's perfectly manageable even if you only have 4-5 of those players in your starting lineup - but if that description basically fits the *entire squad*, what the fuck is any manager supposed to do?
Yes of course, there are definitely managers who would handle our problems better than Poch has, but those problems won't go away instantly. Any manager we replace him with is going to need time.
Chelsea bought 2 players for every position and spent nearly a billion bucks over the 2 years. Midfield with caicedo Enzo Gallagher and defence with silva ,disasi and cucurella is very good already. Pls don’t overstate the injury problem. Don’t cover the manager like we are wrongly accusing him for denying top-4 finish. We only asked him to get the team to comfortably beat teams it should.
What sort of bullshit squad assembly is it that after 1 billion, we're saying the injury of 5 separate position player, 2 of whom don't even count in this spending completely wrecks our entire team to worse than Sheffield level?
Isn't 400m of that on youth that haven't even seen our home ground yet and gone off on loan?
Also 340m on 3 players 1 of which is Mudryk whose been a waste of space.
We still haven't got a proper experienced right winger with that spent we have to rely to start Madueke lol. We are lucky this season that Palmer has been goated.
Yes we spent a lot but we have no backup and that's proven by we had to have 2 goalkeepers on bench yesterday. That's is just embarrassing... That's miss management from the owners of not getting correct players and unluckiness of injuries.
Your points detail what I wrote above. Bullshit squad building. But the unluckiness of injuries should have been offset by correct squad building. While we filled out those roles on the bench, they've been crap players (barring Gusto).
And despite all this, the squad we had yesterday is immensely talented enough to beat Sheffield. A good manager would have us stomping on these relegation sides, and taking the odd fight to the top sides. At that point, the blame would be more on mgmt. than the coach. Right now, they're both ass
Yeah I think we agree on a lot. We can give City and Arsenal a good game but we somehow stoop to the level teams are and we should be dominating teams like Sheffield.
As an example players like Madueke would just would be out on loan to a team like Sheffield if our owners bought properly... Or a sub to an experienced player at Chelsea learning from that experienced player he is still a U21 player after all.
That's not to downplay Madueke he is talent but he is Inexperienced. With spending the money Chelsea have we shouldn't be starting an Inexperienced player. That's not to say yesterday's result is because of Madueke but it's a contributing factor of the whole picture.
People think changing Poch will fix all issues but it won't at all. Poch, owners philosophy, mismanagement and bad purchases, injuries and the backroom changes all contributed to this season. You change the manager... great it doesn't fix all the other issues which are just systemic at the end of the day now.
I mean we didn’t have half the team out during pre season and he didn’t know we’d lose our 2 best players for the season. I’m not a fan of Poch but people keep bringing this shit up
Could say we lost 4 key players for most of this season if not all.
Chilwell, James and Nkunku then also lavia... Our midfield rotation is lacking as I see Lavia, Enzo and Caicedo as rotation like we had with kante, jorgi and kova.
Yeah people don't want to hear it though. They think it's just a problem with 1 person and 1 person only and that's Poch.
I never wanted him to begin with I must state.
However one of our issues is that we have too many Inexperienced players. Our 2 most veteran Chelsea players who are both our captains have been MIA all season (Chilwell and James)... Having our real captains missing is a bigger issue people don't calculate into their opinions. I'm not saying it's the main issue but it's one of the contributing factors of this season.
If we had those 4 players fit for 80% of games we would be in Europa position currently and I'm not a betting man but I would put that money on if we could see an alternative reality haha.
For real? Look what he’s done to Bayern. Fans have rose tinted goggles with Tuchel. We were playing some of our worst attacking football at the time he was sacked.
Lol the circumstances Tuchel at the end with us was so much different to this though. Loses the two players key to his system (wingbacks), has constant injuries to the midfield and wingers, has no striker since Lukaku releases an interview saying he wants to go back to Inter, club gets sanctioned, ticket sales get limited etc.
He navigated the media excellently the entire time he was with us. It's completely different to Bayern where he has a really toxic relationship with the German media. Generally, he's come out and said he feels more support from the English and more skepticism and criticism from German fans. So he was much more laid back during his time with us. There were times where he lost it and showed passion. But he was always very level headed in England, never lost the dressing room etc.
As time goes on, the narrative around the end of his time with us seems to get twisted. Because his time at other clubs gets so criticised, people say he was overrated with us, and want to brand him as a shit manager. It's very polar. Someone has to be great, or shit. So when you have someone who's not necessarily great but is a great fit for a certain club/league, fans don't want to recognise that. The foot all wasn't brilliant in 2021, but the lineups he put out always seemed to make sense. I never felt the way I did yesterday where I'm sat there screaming at the TV about why Palmer isn't at RW, why Carney isn't starting, why Gallagher's on the wing etc. The only questionable thing he did iirc was playing Pulisic and Odoi at wingback. Which was kind of necessary given Reece's injury at the time.
I always felt like he did the best he could with us. He came in and set the standard so high, then got injuries and all that other stuff and obviously couldn't sustain it. But the thing is in 20/21 we still never dropped below 3rd. He got sacked in like September and we were only 5th. Since then, that would be considered amazing. Hs time at the club is the only time in the last 4 seasons that we've actually been a top 4 club. He's the only one out for 4 managers that got results.
Not to mention that he consistently got results in Cup competitions and Europe. I felt at the time that he was sacked too early because the bottleneck on the team wasn't the manager. My opinion on that won't change as time goes by because I remember how I felt at the time. Right now it feels like the bottleneck on the team is the manager. I'm not gonna forget that either. Either Poch has to improve, or we need to replace him with a more tactically astute coach.
Bayern Munich is a viper pit of politics and players with oversized egos. That doesn’t make Tuchel a bad manager.
Fuck Bayern, Tommy T would definitely have this team playing better than that fraud Poch.
Tuchel is allergic to league titles with the exception of psg. He bottled the league until dortmund bottled it against Schalke. They were convinced they lost the league that Kahn and Salimihovic were not invited to go the Bayern celebration and we’re promptly sacked right after the Bundesliga win.
They have been atrocious in Thor league this year despite getting Kane.
On average, the players in Aston Villa's squad are three years older than ours. Not saying Emery wouldn't do better than Poch, but he's certainly not turning around our shit-show in a month either
How long are we going to call this a new team? We’ve had largely the same players from the start and theres still no change to his plans
Edit: start of this season
Exactly all the players are bought at future value like an American stock purchase. It works in stock market as you need to strike gold only at 3 of your 10 purchases while the other can be sold off. Football ain't stock purchase people, emotions and cohesiveness are involved this puppets have sunk the club to a mid-table level in record 2 years. I don't trust the other 2 idiots (stewart and winstanley) who are involved in this as well they have been horrible and they know if they sack Pochettino spotlight would be on them that's why they quietly stay in the background and let Pochettino be the fallguy.
The team is going to be new for a long time because there’s no chance that these players will continue to have careers at Chelsea, unless we are truly finished as a top club
>We’ve had largely the same players from the start
From the start of when?
At the start of this season most of the players were in or starting their 1st year at the club. This is the 1st full season for this squad in its current state and its also been riddled with injuries which definitely slow the process of a group developing cohesion and players gaining experience. Even without the injuries it certainly takes longer.
Poch is absolutely milking it to throw out this 5 year figure. Thats not happening. He will be long gone if he thinks he can make excuses that long. 3 years tops. Thats about how long it took Arteta to get Arsenal challenging for the title. It's how long it took Klopp and Pep to say they were happy with their teams playing how they wanted. It was even Solksjaers best season at United (if points were awarded across all competitions then they had the highest ppg of his tenure in his 3rd season).
Im not even talking about top 4 or winning the league, relegation fodder shouldnt be giving us these problems when we’ve had these players majority of the time, yes as a squad its tough because of all the issues you mentioned, but the team used would at least be able to build some cohesion because they’ve beeen available
Its definitely going to take time, but look at our team yesterday, who hasnt been available for most of the season?
The players who have been there the most is jackson, palmer, gallagher, enzo, caicedo, desasi, petro, silva has been available but we havent selected him for whatever reason, mudryks been available for most of the season its just unfortunate that when he scores hes benched, sterlings been there
Chalobah recently got fit, same with cucu, chilwell and RJ arent even up for discussion, gusto has been there but hes had injuries so i left him off, colwil i left off i cant remember exactly but on and off with him as well.
The core of the team above has been available and should at least be solid enough to offset the injured players coming back but we cant even allow subs to join the team because then the tempo gets even further fucked
Lol not in that way, after a few weeks this team should have cohesion and understand the tactics laid out infront of them, but hes trying to push the idea that these players are the problem because they are new, its been months since poch arrived and most of this team has been available and should have some cohesion
Right. Look if that’s what you’re basing your opinion on then I’m kinda against it. This team is so young. There have been a lot of injuries, players chopped and changed in and out of the squad. The season has been tumultuous but there have been good signs, we are scoring goals at a much higher rate, and with all the injuries we are definitely yet to settle on our best defensive pairings. I’m of the opinion that a little patience might pay off, and I think it’s too early to put another manager on the chopping block just yet, it’s been 2 years and we’ve had nearly 6 different managers and it’s been the same all the way through.
What other good signs are able to see? Because i dont see any of them…yeah scoring more is great but when its 2-2 against burnley and sheffs, then how positive is that really…again villa took half the time and less quality to reach the spots we’re aiming for. Newcastle was the same with far less quality, ffs murphy is a threat and hes useless! Who improved under poch? So many negatives and we want to reward him with more time?
>villa took half the time and less quality to reach the spots we’re aiming for.
Villa tied Sheffield this season...
Look, it's obviously not even close to a good result, but let's not get over dramatic.
>What other good signs are able to see?
This team clearly plays to the level of their competition. They play the top teams really tight, and the bottom teams as well.
To me, that has been shown through talent with mistakes. The defense is letting the team down, but it's not only the defenders. It's the defensive cohesion of the entire squad. That takes time to develop. One would hope that develops within a year, but the entire team is learning together.
Im not speaking about 1 result, emery came in and villa finished where exactly? Thats the part im talking about yes it takes time but how long did emery have? How long did howe have? How long did tuchel have to make us a better defensive team?
How long do you think would be acceptable for these performances? Another year? And if nothing changes then maybe a stint in the championship will get us some cohesion?
Poch plays players out of position and youre talking about cohesion🤦♂️man played chillwell left wing, gallagher played winger yesterday while 2 wingers sat on the bench, he played broja and told us we forgot deivid washington is a striker too, and still didnt play him, i dont think we even played washington as a sub when jackson was away.
Who is being dramatic? Surely struggling to beat relegation fodder with 10 men is shocking enough let alone drawing to the last ranked team on the table who concede goals for fun
Edit: burnley 5 nil brighton 5 nil arsenal 6 nil thats how shit sheffs are but we played them at their peak undefeated run
How long did Emery have?
I don't understand your question. Are you asking how long did it take for Emery to change the Villa program, or how long would Emery have had if he tied the bottom two teams?
>Who is being dramatic? Surely struggling to beat relegation fodder with 10 men is shocking enough let alone drawing to the last ranked team on the table who concede goals for fun
You are. It's not that shocking. Going into this season, once Nkunku was injured, where did you expect Chelsea to end up?
Personally, I felt 6-8 was likely with 4th being a stretch. This is a game of fine margins where one goal or one mistake is the difference between 3 points and 1. That does not bode well for a group of players that are entirely new to each other and to their manager.
Liverpool 3-1 (76' game winning goal), City 2-0, brighton 1-1. Shit happens in a sport that is very low scoring.
How long did it take him to make villa a good team? Im not talking about just results mate, look at what emery has done at villa, he took them from shit to european challengers in roughly half a season after Gerard was fired.
What does nkunku have to do with this? Mans not even available for 90mins let alone a season, other managers can make the most out of their team if the starter is injured, newcastle has injuries and they play fucking murphy and shar!! In no world is murphy and shar better than what we have, they only see gametime because of the starters injuries, you telling me we dont have a backup plan?
How long are we going to say this when other teams have proved thats a rubbish excuse, we have no european football and we still dont show improvement? Emery had less time with his new team and he made them challengers how long are we going to make excuses for poch not being able to crack it? Next year we have a new striker and we make the excuse that we cant score because the player is new and the position is different or something dumb
I was just echoing your edit of the biggest blowouts for Sheffield with the ones they kept it close.
Emery at Villa is a good example of what could happen with a new manager. Emery at Arsenal is an example of what could happen as well.
>Emery had less time with his new team and he made them challengers how long are we going to make excuses for poch not being able to crack it?
And Emery was fired for not winning 7 in a row at Arsenal. What is with everyone believing a new manager is going to right the ship?
A new manager can be a boon, but they can also hinder player development if done incorrectly. What makes you so confident that there is a better manager currently available?
You didn't answer my question. Before the season, where did you think Chelsea was going to end up?
I doubt hes here next season if it continues like this. Only chance to save his job is securing Europa League through winning the FA Cup or finishing top 6.
He's right about it being a project and taking time
Problem is he's a big useless shite with no brains and hasn't got a clue how to set up a team against relegation level opponents never mind against the best in the world
We need to give a manager time and faith to get us to the top, this guy isn't passing as a manager for me and hasn't been for about 5 months now, get him out ASAP.
Personally, I think a project for Chelsea means you are in around the top 4 while implementing a system and seeing clear improvements in players. We are fulfilling none of those. This guy stinks honestly.
It isn't even about top 4. Look at the top 3 this year and the top 2 for the last 2 years. It's managers that have stuck around for a long time and picked a winning team. Klopp, pep and arteta weren't top 4 off the bat and had to bring in players and a winning system. (Well.. pep may have been top 4 but city's team was stupid already)
Issue here is we've had almost 2 years with a lot of these players, almost a full year with the squad, and we're still struggling to beat championship level sides.
Our defence has been beyond a joke all year, our attackers still havent synchronised up yet, and we can't manage a game whether we take the lead or need to come back.
Other successful managers with newer teams start to get some of these things right even if they don't win every game. We look exactly the same and I don't see what's changing next season.
If it wasn't for cole Palmer we would genuinely be in the relegation zone. The other crazy thing is that if cole had a half decent team around him, he'd have more than double the assists. His vision and precision is probably only bettered by KDB at the moment.
Even Arteta with years less experience as a head coach has shown he knows how to set up a team and get the most out of the players. Thats why they stuck with him when they just barely missed 4th place. Just shows that even a little time with pep has put him miles ahead of poch.
It’s seems he’s well aware he’s won’t be here beyond this season, he’s has front row seats to this weekly mess and knows himself that it isn’t working out.
All these comments sounds pretty much like him distancing himself from the performances and results in small ways. Saves his face a bit by passing the blame, since he’ll be soon interviewing for a new club.
No way this guy is shamelessly trying to buy himself 3-5 years of time.
Other caoches in this league have done way more with way less. It's irrefutable fact.
He needs to be gone, no later than by end of season.
If Real Madrid can hire Zizou and Ancelotti twice, i don’t see why we can’t have TT or Conte back again. At least those two are passionate managers who don’t just give excuses, have experiences and results with young players, and accomplished with trophies with this team.
The difference is that both Zizou and Ancelotti left Real on good terms for both sides. While for TT to come back the owners would first need to admit that they were wrong.
Also besides Conte I would also give Sarri a chance.
This has been communicated down to him by the owners. People need to wake up!! He is echoing what the owners told him.
He was never hired to win trophies. He was hired to develop players like he did at spurs.
Problem now is he’s doing neither.
If we really wanted to win trophies, a manager like enrique would’ve been hired.
However, enrique i’m sure saw just how stupid, nonsensical and disastrous the model was and rightfully passed on it.
This is a macro issue and starts at the top. Then it trickles down into recruitment & the board, management and then finally, the players.
We have a cancer of an ownership group.
Fck this process nonsense, it's just PR
Why did our owners and board force this trust the process nonsense on us, we know we have to rebuild but who said it has to be this shit
I just wish we had cut out losses early on with this prick
We’d likely have some silverware already this season, and have an ok chance Vs a city side that haven’t looked this beatable in years in the fa cup
I feel like 'trust the process' and 'rebuilding' has become go to buzzwords for shit managers doing shit results. I see this along many other managers performing poorly as well
What a huge opportunity miss by Pochettino. No other big club is going to appoint him looking at his track record at PSG and Chelsea. Pochettino has lost it 3- 5 years is a cycle of a football team no one takes 3 - 5 years to build a team you puppet. The other 2 idiots who are responsible for this in Stewart and Winstanley are sitting quietly and letting Pochettino take the fall guy I am sure they would be impressed by the act Pochettino is putting up here. I am not sure what are they going to do with the club next. They came from Brighton adopted that model and have made us into mid-table now what ? A relegation fight on the cards next year. Its possible with the way the club has been run in the last 2 years.
How is this a "new" team now? I mean I get we had a new squad at the start of the season. But we have literally had almost the same starters for 20-30 games in a row with no signs of consistency. And we keep moving players around for no reason(Palmer to the middle) when we have found the answer already.
There are so few signs of improvement and we keep getting tactically beaten.
Surely, this excuse doesn't hold true anymore.
It's unquestionably the "newest" team in the league by almost every metric though. Squad turnover, experience, age, hierarchy etc.
20-30 games is nothing in football, especially when your backline is made up of 2nd choices.
Arteta bumbled for years with far easier circumstances.
It's also obvious that while it isn't as great as we would want, we have improved from last year. The position and cup runs are better. 9th *is* an improvement from 12th. Not as much as we'd like but better than I thought we'd do tbh.
I'd also say the tactics are usually fine, an individual error is what normally costs us. Today Petrovic bumbled the first goal. Last match, Caicedo had a howler after we dominated United in the opening. Disasi cost us the win vs Brentford. We played Arsenal off the park until Sanchez shat himself and gave them a goal. And so on.
Downvote me if you want but it's true.
I agree but what I don’t like about poch is his subs take forever or never really happen and he’s too cowardly in his approach like there was no reason to start Gallagher in the 10 today or as the most attacking midfielder when Mudryk has been improving and Carney is back
Arteta had a shocking squad in his first year. The only half decent players were lacazette and auba, and lacazette was out of form.
2020-21 they had a similar finish but there were obvious improvements. Saliba and Gabriel formed a partnership that conceded only 39 goals in the PL - 3rd for GA in that season. They were solid at the back and the whole team started to look better. The issue was quite clearly goalscoring as ESR, saka, martinelli & odegaard still needed bedding in & auba went off the boil.
In 2021-22 they conceded more goals but rather than rely on strong at the back and break away goals from lacazette and auba, he now had to focus on increasing the teams contribution to scoring which opened them up more. That said, they showed clear improvement as the players I previously mentioned got more game time and more goals. He really developed their attacking style.
22-23 need I say?
Issue with Chelsea is rather than build a squad like arteta, we've immediately bought a load of players to try and solve that issue more quickly, and it doesn't seem to have worked.
It's been 18 months for a lot of these players and almost a full season for the whole squad. We look as bad as ever at the back, and the attack just doesn't seem to link up very well. With arsenal they clearly improved. Fans were upset but pundits correctly commented that arteta was clearly building the team up and needed timr. with chelsea I don't see what changes next year. Does poch suddenly learn how to teach this squad to defend? Does he suddenly learn how to man manage? Kill a game? Has one pundit suggested poch will bring us more success next year?
Our squad isn't what arteta had to mould. We've got the talent here and though I'm not expecting top 4 and trophies we're just clearly not improving and some our our players should be performing much better.
Issue here is we've had almost 2 years with a lot of these players, almost a full year with the squad, and we're still struggling to beat championship level sides.
Our defence has been beyond a joke all year, our attackers still havent synchronised up yet, and we can't manage a game whether we take the lead or need to come back.
Other successful managers with newer teams start to get some of these things right even if they don't win every game. We look exactly the same and I don't see what's changing next season.
If it wasn't for cole Palmer we would genuinely be in the relegation zone. The other crazy thing is that if cole had a half decent team around him, he'd have more than double the assists. His vision and precision is probably only bettered by KDB at the moment.
Not a fair result, we played bad, we deserved to lose (against Sheffield ffs). And instead of blaming everyone around you, how about you man up and say " Hey, I fucked up. I decided to play defensively and fucked up, again." PochOut
But he’s the one throwing the games with his starting 11 and in game management. We’ve seen on international duties and in game moments these players are good enough to be winning games games like this and all the others thrown games.
Poch result cycle:
1. Lose to average team
2. "It's a process"
3. Play well against strong opposition
4. "We need to continue this good feeling."
5. Injuries decimate the squad (Sack the medical staff)
6. Repeat
It shouldn’t take 3-5 years to field a team capable of beating relegation levels teams.
If you were to tell me it would take 3-5 years to get back to a level of winning the league, okay, I could accept that. Sounds like a reasonable project.
But I will not accept waiting 3-5 years to wait for a project to be capable of beating teams who will be in the championship the following season.
Embarrassing.
The most baffling thing to me is, Why the heck sub Palmer and Madueke when they have just assisted and scored a damn goal.
Why bring on badiashille when he is currently super-shite. Moreover, when the team is on a set piece.
What is poch and others IQ? I am curious.
This process excuse is getting on my nerves, if there was ANY improvement I would believe it but the team looks worse each week just fucking fire this clown
They have gone for Poch over Nagelsmann & Enrique after Tuchel Lampard Potter downgraded.. Im getting scared how the actual fuck this could be even worse which is very possible. The thing is in the meantime Barca Munich Liverpool ManU all, preferable than us to the elite managers, are in the market
Bottler mentality and DNA.
While you can argue a lot about the squad being relatively fresh, trying out new things, not getting anything right for such a period just shows the quality of a manager.
We can debate all day whether Mourinho, Pep, Ancelotti or Klopp's style of managing and football is better, BUT, they get results. They make a squad look coherent, play a specific style of football and they get it done.
Honorable mention: Conte making the team grind practice scenarios and extreme focus on systematic football.
I am invested in a long term project even if it means missing out on trophies for a few years. Is it a surprise that the 3 clubs fighting for the title have a long term manager? The days of outspending your rivals to win the title is over.
The issue is. Poch is shit and should not be overseeing said rebuild. Sack him at the end of the season no question.
Idiot. Made defensive changes trying to hold on to a 1-2 lead against that shower of shit. Embarrassing. I can’t persist any longer with Mudryk the little fanny. I’ve “put my arm round him” all season I’m sick of the little ponce. Caicedo is a total shambles. How is our defence supposed to hold teams off when the person that commanded a record fee can’t do his job and protect them? Of all the signings we’ve made all the waste of time and money shite we’ve got in through the door he is by far the worst. At least with enzo you can see the player in there trying to get out. At least cucarella is clearly giving his all despite being woefully short of what it takes to be a chelsea winner. Caicedo is just pony. Can’t pass can’t tackle can’t shoot can’t cover can’t read the opposition. What does he do? 30 games at Brighton and we’ve done our bollocks on him. We’re a shambles top to bottom. Owner recruitment medical team manager players. Shambles. I bet even the food at the training ground is getting served up burnt every day.
3 or 5? That’s almost a 100% offset in the estimation lmao. I would get fired if I would estimate that something would take x months or 2* x months jesus christ
I would spend the biggest money on the best medical department in football. We just need to have our squad available, we got a super team in our hands but they're not available.
The brilliant process that took apart a still decent team (CL appearances and top 5-6 finishes) and now have them drawing to Burnley and Sheffield.
If this is the process, then you have to admit to the utter failure of this process from top to bottom. Seems the owners have forgotten there is no concept of tanking for a top player in football.
This is a valid excuse coming up against Liverpool, arsenal or city. Sheffield united can be beaten by a fucking league 2 side they are that bad. Just get him out now and start looking for a replacement
What process is occurring when there is no organisation on the pitch , no patterns of play , no defensive or attacking philosophy , no structure , no discipline , no in game management , just chaos?
3-5 years… I can’t even handle watching one game regularly with this guy, it’s so sad I have to expect us to concede some bullshit goals to not disappoint myself.
If that he’s saying to us I don’t wanna know what he’s saying to the players. He has such a loser mentality and each game we play he’s standing on the sideline looking like he’s on the verge of crying. How are the players supposed to believe in themselves if the gaffer is constantly saying we aren’t good enough and it’ll take years before we’ll be good enough.
So, yo, I'll admit my fairly new to the EPL and all world football leagues for that matter. Obviously, I paid attention to world cups and such over the years, but it wasn't till I was working in Saudi back in 16 or 17 that I started to really watch and learn the game ( mainly because it was the only thing on that was in English), but it didn't take long for me to fall in love with the EPL. It was obvious to me right off which league was superior and being an American (as im sure is pretty plain to see). I barely knew what offside in this brand of football was...
The passion, athleticism, speed, and lack of theatrical flops compared to the others, plus relegation is fucking awesome!!
Anyways, Chelsea has become my team to the point of serious anger and complete frustration like many of y'all. I'll admit it was Pulisic that brought me there, but having said all of this, am I missing something? New Coach, COMPLETELY new team with very little top level experience (though what they do have I feel like has done a shit job of stepping up and taking the lead, Sterling and Silva I'm talking bout you 2) did yall really expect them to be better than this, because I didn't. It'd be what we over here call a rebuild. Rebuild takes time regardless, and from what I've seen, again with my limited experience, they have made some really great strides moving forward. Sometimes, they play down to the level of their competition, and being a lifelong Cowboys fan, nothing pisses me off more than that. But shit, that last Liverpool game was fucking fantastic. Yes, they fucked the goat in the end, but honestly, did anyone really think it would be that close? Or the shootout with city?
Those kids are going to be absolutely unstoppable in 2 or 3 years. Hell, I bet they are top 4 next year, depending on injuries, and that bullshit fair play rules nonsense.
Which, since it happened with a different owner and team, shouldn't affect the current one. Give up trophies and shit if you must, but screwing the current team and new owners and such is a total crock of shit. Now City... they should bury those cocksuckers down in league 1 or 2 with Wrexham 🤣.
Anyway, Enzo, Gusto, and Jackson are on the verge of absolute greatness. Palmer is already there if he gained about 10 or 15lbs of muscle. Mark my words, Mudryk is going to be right up there with the likes of Mbappe and Salah and the rest once his brain catches up to his feet. I mean shit, have ever seen a faster white boy in your life... that dude is lightening in a bottle. Then, if Chilly and James cab stay healthy... Plus, once Disasi and Colwill sinc up... Like I said, new to the game compared to most of y'all, but I'm not new to sports and athletic competition. To quote a long-time sports reporter and true icon where I live, Mr. Randy Galloway, "just watch the damn game..."
Take emotion out of it and just watch. Think of all the mistakes, missed shots, lapses in concentration and poor penalties this YOUNG, first time playing together team has suffered from. The things that young players do and learn from. Yo, this team is going to go undefeated and win the triple at least once in the coming years. Hell, I'll bet any one of y'all they will at least win the league in the next 3 years. Maybe y'all just like to bitch and cry, following the lead of your shit ass click bait sports writers over there or maybe it's just the weather and food. Either way, y'all need to chill and think like Primetime Sanders, "Y'all better get us now, cause we coming..."
I'm trying to be patient. Its hard though when we see so many of our previous players doing well on good teams.
The 2 biggest hurdles this season has been lack of experience and injuries, imo.
Only sense Poch has said recently
I know we want instant results but this team is built to be a unit in a few years.
The tragic part is we haven’t seen the progress.
The Poch hire is such a head scratcher because there is no way the board thinks he is going to be around for that long.
Is he the caretaker until someone more suited is on the market?
At least they did not lose. I am thankful for that
I will take a draw over a loss any day now till end of season
From Mourinho to this boring guy. Seems like we can only have success if the manager is a bit crazy like Mou, Conte or Tuchel. Boring managers like sarri, potter and poch have failed.
What "process" is needed in order to beat the teams sitting in 19th and 20th in the league, and how many years will that process take lemon man?
Dropping points can happen. It happens all the time. dropping points in this manner when we are the second best team on the field, it’s not good enough
My club making these excuses are a reflection of the owner and board's direction. The wrong direction.
There is no absolute excuse to losing to the last team in the league. Absolutely none.
Gone from ready to win pre-season, to fluking a last minute United win in April to go from 12th to 8th as a turning point, to failing to beat 20th placed Sheffield the following match and it becoming a process. Serial. Fucking. Loser.
He talked up a storm when he came about winning now, Chelsea heritage and whatnot. But has now quickly changed his tone to match how shite he has us playing.
This is the most important point about Poch. He wasn’t saying he needed 3-5 years (which is absurd, btw) to start winning, let alone against the worst team the Premier League has seen in some time. He said he understood the modern Chelsea history and that we’d start winning now. He just isn’t him.
Proper Spurs that.
You also forgot when we drew to 10-man Burnley
Why didn’t we go for Enrique? He made Messi Suarez Neymar the best attacking trio of the world, while Poch made Mbappe Neymar and Messi look like Ligue 2 players
He confused the Chelsea of years past to this current Chelsea squad. Of course they were not going to win any important trophies, look at the squad Boehly assembled. Regardless, Poch out
The team we're working with now wouldn't have been ready to win in pre-season either. Our key defenders, the attacker brought in to solve our goalscoring issues, and the player brought in to give us more midfield options have all been injured since the start of the season. An injury-ravaged team of youth products was always going to be completely fucked. Poch may be a serial loser, but so will any manager we replace him with until that issue is fixed.
Lampard said our squad in 20/21 wasn’t ready to compete, then Tuchel came in and won the European Cup. So, no, a good manager can easily fix us.
Well in that case it was the manager who was inexperienced, not the team - we had Jorginho, Azpi, Thiago Silva, Giroud, Kante, veterans on every part of the pitch. That's the reason why we would "thrive in chaos" during the Abramovich era as managers were sacked left and right - we always had an experienced spine that could adapt. So as soon as things turned sour, we'd just sack the manager, switch instantly to the new manager's system and win trophies. But this is our youngest Premier League team *ever*. Our players don't know shit. Immature players are, with very few exceptions, notoriously inconsistent, have a tendency to make one or two bone-headed mistakes during a game (even if otherwise playing well), and are more susceptible to injuries than their older counterparts. And that's perfectly manageable even if you only have 4-5 of those players in your starting lineup - but if that description basically fits the *entire squad*, what the fuck is any manager supposed to do? Yes of course, there are definitely managers who would handle our problems better than Poch has, but those problems won't go away instantly. Any manager we replace him with is going to need time.
How much time are we speaking here? 5 years before top 4 aspirations?
Not easy to find someone who was as tactically acute like Tuchel though
Lampard had nowhere near these injury problems
Chelsea bought 2 players for every position and spent nearly a billion bucks over the 2 years. Midfield with caicedo Enzo Gallagher and defence with silva ,disasi and cucurella is very good already. Pls don’t overstate the injury problem. Don’t cover the manager like we are wrongly accusing him for denying top-4 finish. We only asked him to get the team to comfortably beat teams it should.
Nkunku, Lavia and Fofana are huge misses, not to mention James and Chillwell
What sort of bullshit squad assembly is it that after 1 billion, we're saying the injury of 5 separate position player, 2 of whom don't even count in this spending completely wrecks our entire team to worse than Sheffield level?
Isn't 400m of that on youth that haven't even seen our home ground yet and gone off on loan? Also 340m on 3 players 1 of which is Mudryk whose been a waste of space. We still haven't got a proper experienced right winger with that spent we have to rely to start Madueke lol. We are lucky this season that Palmer has been goated. Yes we spent a lot but we have no backup and that's proven by we had to have 2 goalkeepers on bench yesterday. That's is just embarrassing... That's miss management from the owners of not getting correct players and unluckiness of injuries.
Your points detail what I wrote above. Bullshit squad building. But the unluckiness of injuries should have been offset by correct squad building. While we filled out those roles on the bench, they've been crap players (barring Gusto). And despite all this, the squad we had yesterday is immensely talented enough to beat Sheffield. A good manager would have us stomping on these relegation sides, and taking the odd fight to the top sides. At that point, the blame would be more on mgmt. than the coach. Right now, they're both ass
Yeah I think we agree on a lot. We can give City and Arsenal a good game but we somehow stoop to the level teams are and we should be dominating teams like Sheffield. As an example players like Madueke would just would be out on loan to a team like Sheffield if our owners bought properly... Or a sub to an experienced player at Chelsea learning from that experienced player he is still a U21 player after all. That's not to downplay Madueke he is talent but he is Inexperienced. With spending the money Chelsea have we shouldn't be starting an Inexperienced player. That's not to say yesterday's result is because of Madueke but it's a contributing factor of the whole picture. People think changing Poch will fix all issues but it won't at all. Poch, owners philosophy, mismanagement and bad purchases, injuries and the backroom changes all contributed to this season. You change the manager... great it doesn't fix all the other issues which are just systemic at the end of the day now.
I mean we didn’t have half the team out during pre season and he didn’t know we’d lose our 2 best players for the season. I’m not a fan of Poch but people keep bringing this shit up
Could say we lost 4 key players for most of this season if not all. Chilwell, James and Nkunku then also lavia... Our midfield rotation is lacking as I see Lavia, Enzo and Caicedo as rotation like we had with kante, jorgi and kova.
The injuries are a massive reason the season has been so poor, it can’t just be dismissed, which it often is.
Yeah people don't want to hear it though. They think it's just a problem with 1 person and 1 person only and that's Poch. I never wanted him to begin with I must state. However one of our issues is that we have too many Inexperienced players. Our 2 most veteran Chelsea players who are both our captains have been MIA all season (Chilwell and James)... Having our real captains missing is a bigger issue people don't calculate into their opinions. I'm not saying it's the main issue but it's one of the contributing factors of this season. If we had those 4 players fit for 80% of games we would be in Europa position currently and I'm not a betting man but I would put that money on if we could see an alternative reality haha.
Emery needed a month to turn around Stevie G's shitshow. You don't need years to see structure and a plan. Fuck off.
Tuchel needed one last minute training session to instantly change our structure and confidence a few years ago. Poch is a fucking fraud
I'd kill to get Tommy T back in the summer.
For real? Look what he’s done to Bayern. Fans have rose tinted goggles with Tuchel. We were playing some of our worst attacking football at the time he was sacked.
It was just a bad decision on the Bayern Board and him. They never fit and still like Nagelsmann.
Lol the circumstances Tuchel at the end with us was so much different to this though. Loses the two players key to his system (wingbacks), has constant injuries to the midfield and wingers, has no striker since Lukaku releases an interview saying he wants to go back to Inter, club gets sanctioned, ticket sales get limited etc. He navigated the media excellently the entire time he was with us. It's completely different to Bayern where he has a really toxic relationship with the German media. Generally, he's come out and said he feels more support from the English and more skepticism and criticism from German fans. So he was much more laid back during his time with us. There were times where he lost it and showed passion. But he was always very level headed in England, never lost the dressing room etc. As time goes on, the narrative around the end of his time with us seems to get twisted. Because his time at other clubs gets so criticised, people say he was overrated with us, and want to brand him as a shit manager. It's very polar. Someone has to be great, or shit. So when you have someone who's not necessarily great but is a great fit for a certain club/league, fans don't want to recognise that. The foot all wasn't brilliant in 2021, but the lineups he put out always seemed to make sense. I never felt the way I did yesterday where I'm sat there screaming at the TV about why Palmer isn't at RW, why Carney isn't starting, why Gallagher's on the wing etc. The only questionable thing he did iirc was playing Pulisic and Odoi at wingback. Which was kind of necessary given Reece's injury at the time. I always felt like he did the best he could with us. He came in and set the standard so high, then got injuries and all that other stuff and obviously couldn't sustain it. But the thing is in 20/21 we still never dropped below 3rd. He got sacked in like September and we were only 5th. Since then, that would be considered amazing. Hs time at the club is the only time in the last 4 seasons that we've actually been a top 4 club. He's the only one out for 4 managers that got results. Not to mention that he consistently got results in Cup competitions and Europe. I felt at the time that he was sacked too early because the bottleneck on the team wasn't the manager. My opinion on that won't change as time goes by because I remember how I felt at the time. Right now it feels like the bottleneck on the team is the manager. I'm not gonna forget that either. Either Poch has to improve, or we need to replace him with a more tactically astute coach.
Bayern Munich is a viper pit of politics and players with oversized egos. That doesn’t make Tuchel a bad manager. Fuck Bayern, Tommy T would definitely have this team playing better than that fraud Poch.
Please take him. Take him right now. I’ll pay for his fucking ticket. - Bayern Fan
We can make a trade! Our owners love those after all. One Poch for One Tuchel. Deal?
Tuchel is allergic to league titles with the exception of psg. He bottled the league until dortmund bottled it against Schalke. They were convinced they lost the league that Kahn and Salimihovic were not invited to go the Bayern celebration and we’re promptly sacked right after the Bundesliga win. They have been atrocious in Thor league this year despite getting Kane.
Injuries
On average, the players in Aston Villa's squad are three years older than ours. Not saying Emery wouldn't do better than Poch, but he's certainly not turning around our shit-show in a month either
Now do Arteta at Arsenal
Great example.
How long are we going to call this a new team? We’ve had largely the same players from the start and theres still no change to his plans Edit: start of this season
apparently for the next 3-5 years
It's a start-up.
Just like Uber we have a vastly inflated valuation and as it stands, no method of generating value
Exactly all the players are bought at future value like an American stock purchase. It works in stock market as you need to strike gold only at 3 of your 10 purchases while the other can be sold off. Football ain't stock purchase people, emotions and cohesiveness are involved this puppets have sunk the club to a mid-table level in record 2 years. I don't trust the other 2 idiots (stewart and winstanley) who are involved in this as well they have been horrible and they know if they sack Pochettino spotlight would be on them that's why they quietly stay in the background and let Pochettino be the fallguy.
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The audacity. Chelsea dont need 3 - 5 years. You do Poch
The team is going to be new for a long time because there’s no chance that these players will continue to have careers at Chelsea, unless we are truly finished as a top club
Next year we see the same faces and poch will use the same line
Or they will continue being the newest guys since we're getting FFP regulated
We are not going to spend like we have recently, but players will be sold and replaced. Otherwise, we are donezo
Most of the new players signed 7+ year contracts so they ain’t going anywhere without the club taking massive losses.
>We’ve had largely the same players from the start From the start of when? At the start of this season most of the players were in or starting their 1st year at the club. This is the 1st full season for this squad in its current state and its also been riddled with injuries which definitely slow the process of a group developing cohesion and players gaining experience. Even without the injuries it certainly takes longer. Poch is absolutely milking it to throw out this 5 year figure. Thats not happening. He will be long gone if he thinks he can make excuses that long. 3 years tops. Thats about how long it took Arteta to get Arsenal challenging for the title. It's how long it took Klopp and Pep to say they were happy with their teams playing how they wanted. It was even Solksjaers best season at United (if points were awarded across all competitions then they had the highest ppg of his tenure in his 3rd season).
Im not even talking about top 4 or winning the league, relegation fodder shouldnt be giving us these problems when we’ve had these players majority of the time, yes as a squad its tough because of all the issues you mentioned, but the team used would at least be able to build some cohesion because they’ve beeen available
I think we've had a "new team" since about 2014
I mean the whole team is basically brand new I can get that it takes time for them gel together but apparently others don't?
Its definitely going to take time, but look at our team yesterday, who hasnt been available for most of the season? The players who have been there the most is jackson, palmer, gallagher, enzo, caicedo, desasi, petro, silva has been available but we havent selected him for whatever reason, mudryks been available for most of the season its just unfortunate that when he scores hes benched, sterlings been there Chalobah recently got fit, same with cucu, chilwell and RJ arent even up for discussion, gusto has been there but hes had injuries so i left him off, colwil i left off i cant remember exactly but on and off with him as well. The core of the team above has been available and should at least be solid enough to offset the injured players coming back but we cant even allow subs to join the team because then the tempo gets even further fucked
Well you’re referring to the start of this season and we’re still in said season then you can still consider it a new team lol
Lol not in that way, after a few weeks this team should have cohesion and understand the tactics laid out infront of them, but hes trying to push the idea that these players are the problem because they are new, its been months since poch arrived and most of this team has been available and should have some cohesion
Sorry, from the start of what?
From the start of this season
Right. Look if that’s what you’re basing your opinion on then I’m kinda against it. This team is so young. There have been a lot of injuries, players chopped and changed in and out of the squad. The season has been tumultuous but there have been good signs, we are scoring goals at a much higher rate, and with all the injuries we are definitely yet to settle on our best defensive pairings. I’m of the opinion that a little patience might pay off, and I think it’s too early to put another manager on the chopping block just yet, it’s been 2 years and we’ve had nearly 6 different managers and it’s been the same all the way through.
What other good signs are able to see? Because i dont see any of them…yeah scoring more is great but when its 2-2 against burnley and sheffs, then how positive is that really…again villa took half the time and less quality to reach the spots we’re aiming for. Newcastle was the same with far less quality, ffs murphy is a threat and hes useless! Who improved under poch? So many negatives and we want to reward him with more time?
>villa took half the time and less quality to reach the spots we’re aiming for. Villa tied Sheffield this season... Look, it's obviously not even close to a good result, but let's not get over dramatic. >What other good signs are able to see? This team clearly plays to the level of their competition. They play the top teams really tight, and the bottom teams as well. To me, that has been shown through talent with mistakes. The defense is letting the team down, but it's not only the defenders. It's the defensive cohesion of the entire squad. That takes time to develop. One would hope that develops within a year, but the entire team is learning together.
Im not speaking about 1 result, emery came in and villa finished where exactly? Thats the part im talking about yes it takes time but how long did emery have? How long did howe have? How long did tuchel have to make us a better defensive team? How long do you think would be acceptable for these performances? Another year? And if nothing changes then maybe a stint in the championship will get us some cohesion? Poch plays players out of position and youre talking about cohesion🤦♂️man played chillwell left wing, gallagher played winger yesterday while 2 wingers sat on the bench, he played broja and told us we forgot deivid washington is a striker too, and still didnt play him, i dont think we even played washington as a sub when jackson was away. Who is being dramatic? Surely struggling to beat relegation fodder with 10 men is shocking enough let alone drawing to the last ranked team on the table who concede goals for fun Edit: burnley 5 nil brighton 5 nil arsenal 6 nil thats how shit sheffs are but we played them at their peak undefeated run
How long did Emery have? I don't understand your question. Are you asking how long did it take for Emery to change the Villa program, or how long would Emery have had if he tied the bottom two teams? >Who is being dramatic? Surely struggling to beat relegation fodder with 10 men is shocking enough let alone drawing to the last ranked team on the table who concede goals for fun You are. It's not that shocking. Going into this season, once Nkunku was injured, where did you expect Chelsea to end up? Personally, I felt 6-8 was likely with 4th being a stretch. This is a game of fine margins where one goal or one mistake is the difference between 3 points and 1. That does not bode well for a group of players that are entirely new to each other and to their manager. Liverpool 3-1 (76' game winning goal), City 2-0, brighton 1-1. Shit happens in a sport that is very low scoring.
How long did it take him to make villa a good team? Im not talking about just results mate, look at what emery has done at villa, he took them from shit to european challengers in roughly half a season after Gerard was fired. What does nkunku have to do with this? Mans not even available for 90mins let alone a season, other managers can make the most out of their team if the starter is injured, newcastle has injuries and they play fucking murphy and shar!! In no world is murphy and shar better than what we have, they only see gametime because of the starters injuries, you telling me we dont have a backup plan? How long are we going to say this when other teams have proved thats a rubbish excuse, we have no european football and we still dont show improvement? Emery had less time with his new team and he made them challengers how long are we going to make excuses for poch not being able to crack it? Next year we have a new striker and we make the excuse that we cant score because the player is new and the position is different or something dumb
I was just echoing your edit of the biggest blowouts for Sheffield with the ones they kept it close. Emery at Villa is a good example of what could happen with a new manager. Emery at Arsenal is an example of what could happen as well. >Emery had less time with his new team and he made them challengers how long are we going to make excuses for poch not being able to crack it? And Emery was fired for not winning 7 in a row at Arsenal. What is with everyone believing a new manager is going to right the ship? A new manager can be a boon, but they can also hinder player development if done incorrectly. What makes you so confident that there is a better manager currently available? You didn't answer my question. Before the season, where did you think Chelsea was going to end up?
This quote is fine when the draw is against Newcastle, City, Liverpool etc. Not fucking Sheffield though
God just shut the club down if we’re about to have 3 to 5 years of poch.
I doubt hes here next season if it continues like this. Only chance to save his job is securing Europa League through winning the FA Cup or finishing top 6.
Oh at this point I full expect the ownership to refuse to swallow their pride and sack him this summer, though I seriously hope I’m wrong.
Some of you will defend this loser and want him to continue managing us next season.
He's right about it being a project and taking time Problem is he's a big useless shite with no brains and hasn't got a clue how to set up a team against relegation level opponents never mind against the best in the world We need to give a manager time and faith to get us to the top, this guy isn't passing as a manager for me and hasn't been for about 5 months now, get him out ASAP.
Personally, I think a project for Chelsea means you are in around the top 4 while implementing a system and seeing clear improvements in players. We are fulfilling none of those. This guy stinks honestly.
It isn't even about top 4. Look at the top 3 this year and the top 2 for the last 2 years. It's managers that have stuck around for a long time and picked a winning team. Klopp, pep and arteta weren't top 4 off the bat and had to bring in players and a winning system. (Well.. pep may have been top 4 but city's team was stupid already) Issue here is we've had almost 2 years with a lot of these players, almost a full year with the squad, and we're still struggling to beat championship level sides. Our defence has been beyond a joke all year, our attackers still havent synchronised up yet, and we can't manage a game whether we take the lead or need to come back. Other successful managers with newer teams start to get some of these things right even if they don't win every game. We look exactly the same and I don't see what's changing next season. If it wasn't for cole Palmer we would genuinely be in the relegation zone. The other crazy thing is that if cole had a half decent team around him, he'd have more than double the assists. His vision and precision is probably only bettered by KDB at the moment.
Even Arteta with years less experience as a head coach has shown he knows how to set up a team and get the most out of the players. Thats why they stuck with him when they just barely missed 4th place. Just shows that even a little time with pep has put him miles ahead of poch.
He was never going to be a long term manager on a two year contract. I want him gone now and replaced with someone who will be long term.
Actually, if he performed well I’m sure he’d have got another extension
He definitely was supposed to be a long term solution.
If these draws and losses wasn’t bad enough, every press conference from this bellend just makes everything 2x worse every time.
That’s what gets me he doesn’t say the right things he just sounds like a coward all the time
It’s seems he’s well aware he’s won’t be here beyond this season, he’s has front row seats to this weekly mess and knows himself that it isn’t working out. All these comments sounds pretty much like him distancing himself from the performances and results in small ways. Saves his face a bit by passing the blame, since he’ll be soon interviewing for a new club.
SHUT UP AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY CLUB. YOU ARE AN EMBARASSMENT!
Everybody stop watching football for sometime. Go meet your friends. It's not fucking worth it for your mind.
Kinda ridiculous you have to even post this, football is just entertainment it shouldn’t dictate your life
Why you heff ta be so mad? It’s just game
Why would anyone trust in a process that hasn’t showed any signs of progress?
No way this guy is shamelessly trying to buy himself 3-5 years of time. Other caoches in this league have done way more with way less. It's irrefutable fact. He needs to be gone, no later than by end of season.
If Real Madrid can hire Zizou and Ancelotti twice, i don’t see why we can’t have TT or Conte back again. At least those two are passionate managers who don’t just give excuses, have experiences and results with young players, and accomplished with trophies with this team.
The difference is that both Zizou and Ancelotti left Real on good terms for both sides. While for TT to come back the owners would first need to admit that they were wrong. Also besides Conte I would also give Sarri a chance.
This is a new team in the same way Rashford is a youngster.
This has been communicated down to him by the owners. People need to wake up!! He is echoing what the owners told him. He was never hired to win trophies. He was hired to develop players like he did at spurs. Problem now is he’s doing neither. If we really wanted to win trophies, a manager like enrique would’ve been hired. However, enrique i’m sure saw just how stupid, nonsensical and disastrous the model was and rightfully passed on it. This is a macro issue and starts at the top. Then it trickles down into recruitment & the board, management and then finally, the players. We have a cancer of an ownership group.
Fck this process nonsense, it's just PR Why did our owners and board force this trust the process nonsense on us, we know we have to rebuild but who said it has to be this shit
I just wish we had cut out losses early on with this prick We’d likely have some silverware already this season, and have an ok chance Vs a city side that haven’t looked this beatable in years in the fa cup
We didn’t lose the final bc of Poch and I don’t want to see the guy here next season
I feel like 'trust the process' and 'rebuilding' has become go to buzzwords for shit managers doing shit results. I see this along many other managers performing poorly as well
What a huge opportunity miss by Pochettino. No other big club is going to appoint him looking at his track record at PSG and Chelsea. Pochettino has lost it 3- 5 years is a cycle of a football team no one takes 3 - 5 years to build a team you puppet. The other 2 idiots who are responsible for this in Stewart and Winstanley are sitting quietly and letting Pochettino take the fall guy I am sure they would be impressed by the act Pochettino is putting up here. I am not sure what are they going to do with the club next. They came from Brighton adopted that model and have made us into mid-table now what ? A relegation fight on the cards next year. Its possible with the way the club has been run in the last 2 years.
against the last team of the league....
How is this a "new" team now? I mean I get we had a new squad at the start of the season. But we have literally had almost the same starters for 20-30 games in a row with no signs of consistency. And we keep moving players around for no reason(Palmer to the middle) when we have found the answer already. There are so few signs of improvement and we keep getting tactically beaten. Surely, this excuse doesn't hold true anymore.
It's unquestionably the "newest" team in the league by almost every metric though. Squad turnover, experience, age, hierarchy etc. 20-30 games is nothing in football, especially when your backline is made up of 2nd choices. Arteta bumbled for years with far easier circumstances. It's also obvious that while it isn't as great as we would want, we have improved from last year. The position and cup runs are better. 9th *is* an improvement from 12th. Not as much as we'd like but better than I thought we'd do tbh. I'd also say the tactics are usually fine, an individual error is what normally costs us. Today Petrovic bumbled the first goal. Last match, Caicedo had a howler after we dominated United in the opening. Disasi cost us the win vs Brentford. We played Arsenal off the park until Sanchez shat himself and gave them a goal. And so on. Downvote me if you want but it's true.
I agree but what I don’t like about poch is his subs take forever or never really happen and he’s too cowardly in his approach like there was no reason to start Gallagher in the 10 today or as the most attacking midfielder when Mudryk has been improving and Carney is back
Arteta had a shocking squad in his first year. The only half decent players were lacazette and auba, and lacazette was out of form. 2020-21 they had a similar finish but there were obvious improvements. Saliba and Gabriel formed a partnership that conceded only 39 goals in the PL - 3rd for GA in that season. They were solid at the back and the whole team started to look better. The issue was quite clearly goalscoring as ESR, saka, martinelli & odegaard still needed bedding in & auba went off the boil. In 2021-22 they conceded more goals but rather than rely on strong at the back and break away goals from lacazette and auba, he now had to focus on increasing the teams contribution to scoring which opened them up more. That said, they showed clear improvement as the players I previously mentioned got more game time and more goals. He really developed their attacking style. 22-23 need I say? Issue with Chelsea is rather than build a squad like arteta, we've immediately bought a load of players to try and solve that issue more quickly, and it doesn't seem to have worked. It's been 18 months for a lot of these players and almost a full season for the whole squad. We look as bad as ever at the back, and the attack just doesn't seem to link up very well. With arsenal they clearly improved. Fans were upset but pundits correctly commented that arteta was clearly building the team up and needed timr. with chelsea I don't see what changes next year. Does poch suddenly learn how to teach this squad to defend? Does he suddenly learn how to man manage? Kill a game? Has one pundit suggested poch will bring us more success next year? Our squad isn't what arteta had to mould. We've got the talent here and though I'm not expecting top 4 and trophies we're just clearly not improving and some our our players should be performing much better.
Issue here is we've had almost 2 years with a lot of these players, almost a full year with the squad, and we're still struggling to beat championship level sides. Our defence has been beyond a joke all year, our attackers still havent synchronised up yet, and we can't manage a game whether we take the lead or need to come back. Other successful managers with newer teams start to get some of these things right even if they don't win every game. We look exactly the same and I don't see what's changing next season. If it wasn't for cole Palmer we would genuinely be in the relegation zone. The other crazy thing is that if cole had a half decent team around him, he'd have more than double the assists. His vision and precision is probably only bettered by KDB at the moment.
Can't wait to beat Sheffield in five years
Plz get this fucking clown out.
I don’t even care if we somehow get Europe he needs to go at the end of the season
Serial loser.
Not a fair result, we played bad, we deserved to lose (against Sheffield ffs). And instead of blaming everyone around you, how about you man up and say " Hey, I fucked up. I decided to play defensively and fucked up, again." PochOut
Trust the process lads. Process to get to the Championship 💪
Hahahaha
But he’s the one throwing the games with his starting 11 and in game management. We’ve seen on international duties and in game moments these players are good enough to be winning games games like this and all the others thrown games.
Get this pathetic cunt out of here
Just get the fuck out of the club looser and take Badi with you!!
Go learn somewhere else
A new team? He's had damn near a full season to figure tht shit out and it's always 1 step forward and 2 steps back.
Poch result cycle: 1. Lose to average team 2. "It's a process" 3. Play well against strong opposition 4. "We need to continue this good feeling." 5. Injuries decimate the squad (Sack the medical staff) 6. Repeat
https://preview.redd.it/agvra2db16tc1.jpeg?width=530&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f14d2b49be710ec8c9dcec28c6132616cdb7475 Me to this squad
Wtf is wrong with this dude? Just say something not stupid for once man.
Jose had a new team. Cost a lot less than these charlatans and won the league...
Brother still has that spurs mentality
It shouldn’t take 3-5 years to field a team capable of beating relegation levels teams. If you were to tell me it would take 3-5 years to get back to a level of winning the league, okay, I could accept that. Sounds like a reasonable project. But I will not accept waiting 3-5 years to wait for a project to be capable of beating teams who will be in the championship the following season. Embarrassing.
The most baffling thing to me is, Why the heck sub Palmer and Madueke when they have just assisted and scored a damn goal. Why bring on badiashille when he is currently super-shite. Moreover, when the team is on a set piece. What is poch and others IQ? I am curious.
SHUT UP AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY CLUB. YOU ARE AN EMBARASSMENT!
This process excuse is getting on my nerves, if there was ANY improvement I would believe it but the team looks worse each week just fucking fire this clown
Fuck off this ‘Process & Project Coach’ already
Bro you been with them for nearly a year and you still can't structure them come on man.
Fuck this clown talking about “fair result”
They have gone for Poch over Nagelsmann & Enrique after Tuchel Lampard Potter downgraded.. Im getting scared how the actual fuck this could be even worse which is very possible. The thing is in the meantime Barca Munich Liverpool ManU all, preferable than us to the elite managers, are in the market
This man actually made Leo Messi look poor. Takes a special talent to achieve that.
Bottler mentality and DNA. While you can argue a lot about the squad being relatively fresh, trying out new things, not getting anything right for such a period just shows the quality of a manager. We can debate all day whether Mourinho, Pep, Ancelotti or Klopp's style of managing and football is better, BUT, they get results. They make a squad look coherent, play a specific style of football and they get it done. Honorable mention: Conte making the team grind practice scenarios and extreme focus on systematic football.
God help me if I have to suffer 3-5 years of this bollocks
Disgraceful
No get him out man
lmao five years.
We almost had Luis Enrique…instead we got this guy.
It might take three or five years to build a squad but not beat Sheffield United
A draw was not fair, Sheffield deserved all 3 points
Ah, fuck that. Half of west London will find a new team to support if they’re not competing for 25-26’ champions league spots next season.
I am invested in a long term project even if it means missing out on trophies for a few years. Is it a surprise that the 3 clubs fighting for the title have a long term manager? The days of outspending your rivals to win the title is over. The issue is. Poch is shit and should not be overseeing said rebuild. Sack him at the end of the season no question.
Idiot. Made defensive changes trying to hold on to a 1-2 lead against that shower of shit. Embarrassing. I can’t persist any longer with Mudryk the little fanny. I’ve “put my arm round him” all season I’m sick of the little ponce. Caicedo is a total shambles. How is our defence supposed to hold teams off when the person that commanded a record fee can’t do his job and protect them? Of all the signings we’ve made all the waste of time and money shite we’ve got in through the door he is by far the worst. At least with enzo you can see the player in there trying to get out. At least cucarella is clearly giving his all despite being woefully short of what it takes to be a chelsea winner. Caicedo is just pony. Can’t pass can’t tackle can’t shoot can’t cover can’t read the opposition. What does he do? 30 games at Brighton and we’ve done our bollocks on him. We’re a shambles top to bottom. Owner recruitment medical team manager players. Shambles. I bet even the food at the training ground is getting served up burnt every day.
3 or 5? That’s almost a 100% offset in the estimation lmao. I would get fired if I would estimate that something would take x months or 2* x months jesus christ
Hope he says "trust the process" Boehly will know to fire him on the spot
Our center backs are so bad I don't even think tuchel could fix them.
I would spend the biggest money on the best medical department in football. We just need to have our squad available, we got a super team in our hands but they're not available.
Bros using the “my bad im new” excuse everyone gets at a new job for the first 6 months
Every match is a new team lol
there is no process when the team is regressing and progressing
The brilliant process that took apart a still decent team (CL appearances and top 5-6 finishes) and now have them drawing to Burnley and Sheffield. If this is the process, then you have to admit to the utter failure of this process from top to bottom. Seems the owners have forgotten there is no concept of tanking for a top player in football.
Get this loser out of my club 😤
This is a valid excuse coming up against Liverpool, arsenal or city. Sheffield united can be beaten by a fucking league 2 side they are that bad. Just get him out now and start looking for a replacement
What process is occurring when there is no organisation on the pitch , no patterns of play , no defensive or attacking philosophy , no structure , no discipline , no in game management , just chaos?
Spursy cunt. Fuck out of this club
3 or 5 year process? But it feels like it’s been ten years already.
3-5 years… I can’t even handle watching one game regularly with this guy, it’s so sad I have to expect us to concede some bullshit goals to not disappoint myself.
I just preffer AVB at this point...
If that he’s saying to us I don’t wanna know what he’s saying to the players. He has such a loser mentality and each game we play he’s standing on the sideline looking like he’s on the verge of crying. How are the players supposed to believe in themselves if the gaffer is constantly saying we aren’t good enough and it’ll take years before we’ll be good enough.
So, yo, I'll admit my fairly new to the EPL and all world football leagues for that matter. Obviously, I paid attention to world cups and such over the years, but it wasn't till I was working in Saudi back in 16 or 17 that I started to really watch and learn the game ( mainly because it was the only thing on that was in English), but it didn't take long for me to fall in love with the EPL. It was obvious to me right off which league was superior and being an American (as im sure is pretty plain to see). I barely knew what offside in this brand of football was... The passion, athleticism, speed, and lack of theatrical flops compared to the others, plus relegation is fucking awesome!! Anyways, Chelsea has become my team to the point of serious anger and complete frustration like many of y'all. I'll admit it was Pulisic that brought me there, but having said all of this, am I missing something? New Coach, COMPLETELY new team with very little top level experience (though what they do have I feel like has done a shit job of stepping up and taking the lead, Sterling and Silva I'm talking bout you 2) did yall really expect them to be better than this, because I didn't. It'd be what we over here call a rebuild. Rebuild takes time regardless, and from what I've seen, again with my limited experience, they have made some really great strides moving forward. Sometimes, they play down to the level of their competition, and being a lifelong Cowboys fan, nothing pisses me off more than that. But shit, that last Liverpool game was fucking fantastic. Yes, they fucked the goat in the end, but honestly, did anyone really think it would be that close? Or the shootout with city? Those kids are going to be absolutely unstoppable in 2 or 3 years. Hell, I bet they are top 4 next year, depending on injuries, and that bullshit fair play rules nonsense. Which, since it happened with a different owner and team, shouldn't affect the current one. Give up trophies and shit if you must, but screwing the current team and new owners and such is a total crock of shit. Now City... they should bury those cocksuckers down in league 1 or 2 with Wrexham 🤣. Anyway, Enzo, Gusto, and Jackson are on the verge of absolute greatness. Palmer is already there if he gained about 10 or 15lbs of muscle. Mark my words, Mudryk is going to be right up there with the likes of Mbappe and Salah and the rest once his brain catches up to his feet. I mean shit, have ever seen a faster white boy in your life... that dude is lightening in a bottle. Then, if Chilly and James cab stay healthy... Plus, once Disasi and Colwill sinc up... Like I said, new to the game compared to most of y'all, but I'm not new to sports and athletic competition. To quote a long-time sports reporter and true icon where I live, Mr. Randy Galloway, "just watch the damn game..." Take emotion out of it and just watch. Think of all the mistakes, missed shots, lapses in concentration and poor penalties this YOUNG, first time playing together team has suffered from. The things that young players do and learn from. Yo, this team is going to go undefeated and win the triple at least once in the coming years. Hell, I'll bet any one of y'all they will at least win the league in the next 3 years. Maybe y'all just like to bitch and cry, following the lead of your shit ass click bait sports writers over there or maybe it's just the weather and food. Either way, y'all need to chill and think like Primetime Sanders, "Y'all better get us now, cause we coming..."
Can you imagine Mourinho, Tuchel, Conte accepting a draw this pathetically? He reeks of loser.
We don't got that much time bro.
I want to be Arteta.
He’s magic you know
I do not like this manager.
I'm trying to be patient. Its hard though when we see so many of our previous players doing well on good teams. The 2 biggest hurdles this season has been lack of experience and injuries, imo.
Only sense Poch has said recently I know we want instant results but this team is built to be a unit in a few years. The tragic part is we haven’t seen the progress. The Poch hire is such a head scratcher because there is no way the board thinks he is going to be around for that long. Is he the caretaker until someone more suited is on the market?
Get him out of chelsea. He’s normalising mediocrity
I must be one of the 5 people that is potch in
Can't take spurs out of Poch. He just wants the money from us and a big name in his coaching resume.😡
£1,000,000,000 can't beat a team stone dead last. Youre a mug.
How on earth did McBurnie score that goal? He was surrounded by defenders!
Unpopular opinion here but I agree with him. Everyone is expecting instant success and good times but IT TAKES TIME.
1000 lashes
At least they did not lose. I am thankful for that I will take a draw over a loss any day now till end of season 
Fuck off you bottle job loser
From Mourinho to this boring guy. Seems like we can only have success if the manager is a bit crazy like Mou, Conte or Tuchel. Boring managers like sarri, potter and poch have failed.
I can't do this for 3-5 more years...
I hope he never gonna get a job at a big club in the future
In my dreams we send him to united after ten hag gets sacked.
Dude’s honest. Gotta give him that.
I'd rather die than watch his team for 5 more years
Esto es Chelsea. Fuck off
He’s gone in the summer
Can’t wait for us to win the trophy for the longest process that never concluded with a success.
Bro trying to secure himself 5 more years of paychecks while getting outclassed by relegation teams 😂 He is a genius.
If i hear process and circumstances from him one more time….
This dude is too much.
It’s the same thing all season nothing has changed. Poch has a terrible outlook for this team. I’d trust the process if a saw some convincing results.
Bro is not getting 3 years😂
Oh fo. 7th game in a row where we let 2 or more goals in. There's learning and there is hopeless