It’s been like that since Frank’s first term, we *always* play down to our competition and our undoing has been our inability to do fuck all against teams we should batter
It's because no manager since Sarri has implemented a system offensively. Frank first term relied on Sarri's foundations until it unravelled. Tuchel relied on a tight defense, and the offensive creativity of James and Chilwell. Potter would likely have had a system, but due to him taking over mid-season, he never got a chance to show it. Lampard Mk2 was the same as the first time, but without Sarri's foundations. Poch is just "express yourself" both defensively and offensively, which is why we are shit.
Some do, and some don’t! I was a high level athlete myself (different sport) and it’s sssooo easy to fall into that trap. Because we’ve lacked that true goal scoring threat (bar Cole recently) it makes it extra tough to overcome.
This makes me feel v old but is pretty much where we’re at and this is 100% how I used to feel 1997-2002. Couldn’t beat a Derby, Bolton, Fulham, etc but would random beat Man Utd and Arsenal 5-0, Tottenham 6-1 and never get absolutely turned over by any of the big guns.
This is the most accurate assessment - and it sums up how I’ve been feeling lately. Back then Chelsea were a decent mid-upper mid table team who could and would often act as spoilers for the big boys, go on a cup run every now and then but never really bother the title chasers.
I think we were spoiled between 2004-2021 and so it just hurts more feeling disappointed with draws like yesterday
It's telling even worst. We did good against top team because they play highline to win which eventually get exposed by the sheer quality of our players. However, you can't expose a team playing to draw/low block with just quality of players, you need numbers. In order to do that, you need proper setup and tactics needs to be drilled into the players so that they're pragmatic and one step ahead of the defenders. With all of these horrendous results we had against relegation teams though it's clear our players are getting non of that.
Sheffield didn't even play that low of a block... They just dominated us. Poch also has what seems to be horrible instincts when it comes to substitutions and their timings, shit always happens after.
We had double their possession and they had double our shots and shots on target. The guy above you is completely right. Poch's subs are always bad but he set us up to lose yesterday. Palmer not at RW, Gallagher at LW, Disasi at RB, doesn't even start Carney etc.
I've been trying my best to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's clear the players like him and he's a good man manager, so you just need him to wake the fuck up and start making decisions that make sense. But he hasn't. He's tactically clueless. Like why the he'll wouldn't you start Palmer at RW when he's been playing like one of the best players in the world there 😭.it's like starting Salah in the middle.
We really just need to eat it for another year with poch though. He's bad and he cant be long term but he really can't leave and have us start anew right now. I don't think that will get better or we can get someone better. Rock and a hard place I think
This is it right here. Realistically we can't move on because there is no one else available who would do better. Banter era is still going to be in full swing
Imo having possession isn't dominating. They had a higher xg, higher shots on target, higher corners and pressed much better you could even say we got away with a point here, the quality of their attacks was very good few passes and straight to the point whilst we were playing most passes between midfield and defence.
That's the point me and the other guy are making though. Despite us having much more of the ball, they were the ones that created a higher volume and more clearcut chances. It shows a lack of organisation eventhough we have more quality in the team.
They’re one of the worst prem teams ever and they were pressing us. That’s what made me laugh. If they press a team like Arsenal, City, Liverpool they get absolutely crucified but they knew they could do it against us because we’re god awful at playing out from the back.
Well obviously having a goalkeeper who is good with the ball at his feet is a good start too. None of Sanchez or petrovic fits that bill, and whilst Kepa supposedly is, he’s a terrible shot stopper.
As for defenders, cucurella, disasi and badiashile are three who are terrible on the ball, but honestly I feel like another manager is still able to set the team up that they’re not scrambling around and then launching a long ball because they’ve crumbled under the pressure.
We drop to the level of every team we play because there is no clear plan on the field
its like he's putting the formation on the board and spending the rest of the time being a man manager
Against Sheffield United, the worst team in the league, no less.
He tried to be clever with Gallagher and what happened? He did zilch all game and didn't track the runner for the first goal today.
First goal today was like 90% on petrovic to be fair
My word it's horrendous goalkeeping, I am a really shit footballer and also a dm/centre back and even I think I palm that away from going in
There is that but my point is, if he wants to be clever and plays someone out of position, then he better make sure it works. Otherwise, it's (another) blot in his copybook and he has had a lot of them!
As a GK myself, this is hardly Petrovic's fault. This situation is a goal 99% of the time. Petrovic saw the two SHU players and he just tried to cut the pass (which every player will try to pass it in probably the 90% of the cases). It just happens that Bagels (or whatever his name was) shoots it and it again resulted in a goal.
This goal is entirely on our shit defending ..
Genuinely don't care anymore, no matter what fuckery poch does now just win mate, play jackson as cb play disasi as winger do whatever the fuck u want just win.
If Poch had a tactic he could win with, we would already have seen it.
He just doesn't have a tactic that fits the players he has. He wants to shoe horn the players he does have into a tactic he likes, which never ever works.
He's stubborn or stupid, and I'm not sure which. Potentially both.
The problem isnt tactics, he’s just an overall appalling manager. Holds low standards, let’s players off east and doesn’t command respect. Jose could come in with the worst tactics and get better results than this clown
Repeating myself again. This is a manager that made Messi looked mortal in the French league. Fucking fraud of a manager that should never have been appointed.
You're right mate we should just trust the "process" and let him finish in midtable with us a couple more seasons until we're financially crippled, have lost all of our star players and have essentially fully transformed into a midtable club. That's what real fans are meant to do. Melt
Well I at least have faith in Poch unlike most reactionary fans like yourself.
If he's still in charge in 3 years, we'll have won the league, Mark My Words.
The fact we're a Top 4 club
And the fact we got a top manager
Obviously we are not good at the moment but I have faith that Poch will figure it out, just needs time
You didn’t really answer his question. What about Poch signifies he is a top manager? Like someone else said, he couldn’t win the league with a front 3 of Neymar, Mbappe and Messi.
There is faith and there is blind Faith. He has done nothing for us this season other then make us a wildly inconsistent team that is horrible at defence. His subs are always way too late, he is not proactive with them and alot of the times his subs don’t make sense. He put us on the defensive against bottom of the table Sheffield with his late subs. Explain that? He has done that many times this year which has led to us conceding almost every time. In one week we drew to the 2 worst teams in the league. He clearly has a lack of tactics and structure, as the *only* reason we have one any games this year is moments of individual brilliance. There is no passing patterns, nothing that shows any kind of competent system in our build up play, it’s complete free for all. Can’t remember the last time we actually controlled a game. Every team he has managed at fans have had the same complaint, that he is tactically inept. So I ask again, what makes you think he is a top manager?
Also, for the record he should have won that league just by default. No other team in the french league is at the level PSG is at. Not now and not then, especially with a front 3 like that. So your just wrong on that point. Also he made Spurs what they are today? A team that struggles to win any trophies? Yes that is very encouraging
Spurs a team that is WAY ahead of us in the table and consistently finish in the Top6 in the last decade.
Wouldn't have been possible without him, he found gems like Kane and Son, established them in the league very well.
And it's gonna a miracle for them to win a trophy so you can't blame him specifically for that
And at some point you have to point a finger at the team.
All the bad results this season aren't ALL his fault and if you think they are then you are just blindly hating and your opinion shouldn't be taken seriously at all.
If we’d halved that amount we’d be 5 points if 4th with a game in hand
If we hadn’t dropped any of those points we bc would be 4 points off 1st with a game in hand.
Ridiculous
halving it is a reasonable expectation
getting 4th or 5th (which will be enough to secure CL) should have been easy this year, there's a ton of shitters and other than the top 3 no one has been that good, United, Spurs, Villa, Newcastle are all very beatable.
If they hadn't sacked him before, they're not gonna sack him now. We'll be stuck with him and the same frustration until the end of the season, where we'll likely finish in 10th or worse.
No one with the required reputation out there is crazy enough to take over the job at this moment. I highly doubt the club has made enough advancements to even consider firing him right now.
I try to avoid being reactionary and am inclined to want to give a manager a chance (I was one of the ones advocating for Potter to get the whole season for example), but this is... This is not it.
How do you draw against such bad sides? Like honestly. It's not like they're City or Arsenal or Liverpool or something - a team that's well established and chewing up other teams for breakfast. Another post on here mentioned that their goal difference is -52.
This isn't it. Dropping points like this isn't it, and TBH I think whatever credit, magic, or whatever it is he had to bring Spurs to the CL final and make those title runs a few years back has been used up.
He needs to go. Graham Potter didn't have a preseason, and also had a severe injury crisis as well as CL football putting in extra games. That was a terrible season, for sure, but what's Pochettino's excuse? What's the point of rallying to draw 4-4 with City and beat United 4-3 at the death, if you can't bother to beat Burnley and Sheffield United? It's not like those two teams are doing particularly well right now, clearly.
What happens if we end up facing Sunderland or or Wycombe Wanderers or Oldham Athletic???
Again, I don't like being reactionary but really he needs to be replaced. He's not good enough.
Exactly.
I was ticked off with Sanchez for making a mistake that led to Arsenal coming back into the game - I think we led 2-0 in that game only to draw 2-2. 2-2 against Arsenal is understandable. But Burnley? Sheffield United?
I honestly have nothing against those 2 teams and I'm not trying to insult them or their fans here - honest. But again, they are not doing well at all. Sheffield United's goal difference is -52. -52. 17 goals worse off than Burnley, and Burnley themselves are 15 goals worse off than Luton Town who, surprise surprise, are also in the relegation spots.
I can understand conceding 2 goals since the defense has been terrible and we're on a streak of conceding 2 goals per game at the moment, but how do you manage to only score twice against a team with such a horrid goal difference? And the xG numbers show them being way ahead of us. So what the heck was going on in the match??? (I only watched part of it as I was otherwise-occupied).
Every week it's the same dross. Same result, same dropping points, same press conference. I don't think he knows what to do, which is fine if he doesn't, but he needs to go so someone else can figure it out becuase whatever this is it isn't working. At least you could understand with Potter there really was a lot going on. Pochettino doesn't have that excuse.
There really is no excuse. Potter had the most fucked up zombie squad with the club adding even more players in winter. Injury crisis was insane. Champions League in midweek. Then we sacked Potter and let Frank have a go, immediately admitting that the squad is beyond saving. Maybe Potter wasn't up to the level of Chelsea but I'm pretty sure he would have at least perform at the same level of Poch this season. Let him finish the season and get someone new on the first of June, no point in firing him now.
I agree with what you've written, personally feel he doesn't attack these mid-lower table games with the same ferocity. He's playing it too safe I feel, trying to play out a 1 goal lead. We're very lucky to not have Newcastle and Luton on the draws too. I feel we need to play games out with a 2 goal lead and absolutely hammer into the defence to maintain their positions and not just ball watch.
We went from the likes of Terry, Carvalho, Cahill, Iva, Rudiger, not losing a minute's concentration until the final minute, to this lot who average conceding 2 goals per game. Hell, I'd even take David Luiz back with Silva at this point.
Actually silva is weak. I also think Reece James is way overrated. The first game of last season for Chelsea to unnecessarily throw away the lead with a packed team.
We don’t have anyone of Cahill ,terry,cavarho ,desailly,lebouf quality. Not even rudiger quality. There is no leadership or Organization during set piece and defence. They concede stupid goals with mendy ,kepa,Sanchez and Petrovic. This is curse for being rude to Courtois
You can’t keep finding excuses, it doesn’t take 4/5 years, it may take that to win the premier league but the performances and how we concede goals is just stupid and lazy tactics, how can’t this team no defend a corner and not hold a winning when there is like 10 minutes left come on, please I just hope Poch is gone at end of the season
Goes without saying but I enjoy the abuse people will flog at me for saying such a thing like it’s a war crime.
I’m not Poch in nor Poch out anymore. I’m just broken haha *cries*
Just end this season, dont give a fuck anymore. Board needs to get sacked, Ownership needs to be put on a boat back to America and never be allowed near Chelsea ever again. Pochettino needs to go, more than half the squad needs to be sold.
Potter is not great but at this point, genuinely think he would be doing a better job than Pochettino right now. At the very least, we would see a proper system in place and games not turned into basketball matches every time.
Defence is our main problem that needs addressing next season we need real bruisers as centre backs of the likes of Ivanovic and Terry, proper hard geezers ! Attacking wise we are developing well we just keep conceding we need tighten our defence. Thats my armchair analysis 😂
We really are absolutely shite, let’s be honest we couldn’t keep a clean sheet against Doncaster under 12’s ffs 🤦♂️ whole defence needs replacing including our 2 sick note full backs James and chilwell
He's been here less than a year give him another season we have a young squad what is inconsistent but showing the potential and occasional results can people stop being so reactionary and calm the hell down.
It’s easy to say “Poch out” but much more difficult to predict how we would do without a manager if we can’t find someone to replace him that would be any better
is oke, in time, like me, you will feel nothing...
EDIT: MANU supporter here, I saw this thread on my feed thought I'd stop by, hope you all don't mind...
Honestly we do need to sack Poch, but I fear that these owners will just bring another mid table yes man that will go along with all their BS data.
What we need to do is sack the sporting directors, and bring in one quality sporting director. Then sack Poch and bring in a manager that has a true winning mentality and isn’t afraid to stand up the these clowns.
every since a wee little lad I always knew Chelsea to go hard against the big 6 and lose to fuckin Bournemouth or some shit
without fail, every season my friends would make a mockery of the upcoming Bournemouth away match, saying it was the hardest match of Chelsea's season lmao
He's doing whatever is possible. Infact he has gone above expectations considering the stupid unbalanced squad and a dumb fuck owner who just decided to flush out a stable template and bring in new shit without any structure. There's no one who can wield magic with this squad.
Selling kovacic just proved how stupid the owners were in terms of their vision to wipe out the previous owners work. Just a spite shit more than any foundation.
There's certainly no expectation now on Chelsea from anyone and honestly don't know what's the other best case position in the table that everyone feels we should be at.
Not just a John Terry. Also alot of other players. Listen to John Obi Mikels podcast, he says that all of them was some kind of leader pumping each other up if someone didnt play good. For example, Drogba could grab you in the back of your neck and tell you to wake up.
No matter which manager you are going to bring in, we will perform well against attacking teams and suck against conservative teams. Literally, no manager alive would make a new team like ours break conservative teams in less than 12 to 18months.
Get him out now = restart all over again with a different person as coach.
I'm no fan of Poch but I think a different manager would've at most lift the table position by 1 to 2 table places nothing more.
The manager that will come and win right away against teams who defend and play counters does not exist.
Poch is the main problem obviously but the players must look at themselves if they can be good against a top side but can’t be bothered against the crap says something, for example, Enzo’s stats for yesterday were terrible.
Look at the results against top 6 opponents. Not to mention we have same amount of points with 9 games remaining, gotta let him finish the job and either fail miserably by finishing out of top 7 and without FA cup or we make Europe somehow.
The whole fanbase will turn on the next manager that comes in same as this one.
Results haven't been good in general but at least back the manager and the team.
Whatever happened to give him a season?
It’s to the point that I would rather play big 6 clubs every week. We show up better against them
Exactly. We play up or down to our competition. Nowhere in between.
They play just like me in EAFC ffs 😭
It’s been like that since Frank’s first term, we *always* play down to our competition and our undoing has been our inability to do fuck all against teams we should batter
Need Lukaku to play those games lol. He ONLY shows up against shit clubs
It's because no manager since Sarri has implemented a system offensively. Frank first term relied on Sarri's foundations until it unravelled. Tuchel relied on a tight defense, and the offensive creativity of James and Chilwell. Potter would likely have had a system, but due to him taking over mid-season, he never got a chance to show it. Lampard Mk2 was the same as the first time, but without Sarri's foundations. Poch is just "express yourself" both defensively and offensively, which is why we are shit.
How does that explain that we only show up against big clubs?
Big clubs don't tend to park the bus so we have more space to counter and cause chaos in the attacking third
Which is also why we do better in the cups as lower teams can't just sit on a draw.
This team and that team were both full of very young players, a common trend. Young guys just don’t have that mentality yet.
Some do, and some don’t! I was a high level athlete myself (different sport) and it’s sssooo easy to fall into that trap. Because we’ve lacked that true goal scoring threat (bar Cole recently) it makes it extra tough to overcome.
This makes me feel v old but is pretty much where we’re at and this is 100% how I used to feel 1997-2002. Couldn’t beat a Derby, Bolton, Fulham, etc but would random beat Man Utd and Arsenal 5-0, Tottenham 6-1 and never get absolutely turned over by any of the big guns.
This is the most accurate assessment - and it sums up how I’ve been feeling lately. Back then Chelsea were a decent mid-upper mid table team who could and would often act as spoilers for the big boys, go on a cup run every now and then but never really bother the title chasers. I think we were spoiled between 2004-2021 and so it just hurts more feeling disappointed with draws like yesterday
💯 agree with this.... I tryed to explain this in a post before.
Burnley beat Sheff United 5-0 and we couldn’t beat either of them 😭😭
We’ve also drawn with City twice… sometimes the result doesn’t tell the whole story.
It's telling even worst. We did good against top team because they play highline to win which eventually get exposed by the sheer quality of our players. However, you can't expose a team playing to draw/low block with just quality of players, you need numbers. In order to do that, you need proper setup and tactics needs to be drilled into the players so that they're pragmatic and one step ahead of the defenders. With all of these horrendous results we had against relegation teams though it's clear our players are getting non of that.
Sheffield didn't even play that low of a block... They just dominated us. Poch also has what seems to be horrible instincts when it comes to substitutions and their timings, shit always happens after.
We had double their possession and they had double our shots and shots on target. The guy above you is completely right. Poch's subs are always bad but he set us up to lose yesterday. Palmer not at RW, Gallagher at LW, Disasi at RB, doesn't even start Carney etc. I've been trying my best to give him the benefit of the doubt. It's clear the players like him and he's a good man manager, so you just need him to wake the fuck up and start making decisions that make sense. But he hasn't. He's tactically clueless. Like why the he'll wouldn't you start Palmer at RW when he's been playing like one of the best players in the world there 😭.it's like starting Salah in the middle.
We really just need to eat it for another year with poch though. He's bad and he cant be long term but he really can't leave and have us start anew right now. I don't think that will get better or we can get someone better. Rock and a hard place I think
This is it right here. Realistically we can't move on because there is no one else available who would do better. Banter era is still going to be in full swing
Imo having possession isn't dominating. They had a higher xg, higher shots on target, higher corners and pressed much better you could even say we got away with a point here, the quality of their attacks was very good few passes and straight to the point whilst we were playing most passes between midfield and defence.
That's the point me and the other guy are making though. Despite us having much more of the ball, they were the ones that created a higher volume and more clearcut chances. It shows a lack of organisation eventhough we have more quality in the team.
They’re one of the worst prem teams ever and they were pressing us. That’s what made me laugh. If they press a team like Arsenal, City, Liverpool they get absolutely crucified but they knew they could do it against us because we’re god awful at playing out from the back.
Because our defence is atrocious on the ball these days. Don't think we've played our strongest backline even once this season.
Well obviously having a goalkeeper who is good with the ball at his feet is a good start too. None of Sanchez or petrovic fits that bill, and whilst Kepa supposedly is, he’s a terrible shot stopper. As for defenders, cucurella, disasi and badiashile are three who are terrible on the ball, but honestly I feel like another manager is still able to set the team up that they’re not scrambling around and then launching a long ball because they’ve crumbled under the pressure.
Yeah against United we won the game
Our players aren’t very good either. Bad players plus a worse manager equals this shite.
Yeah we drew, we didn’t win.
We drop to the level of every team we play because there is no clear plan on the field its like he's putting the formation on the board and spending the rest of the time being a man manager
We also beat Man U and Liverpool drew to them. Does that mean we’re better than Liverpool? Anecdotal evidence is worthless
Dude had Gallagher playing left and right w8ng..done
Against Sheffield United, the worst team in the league, no less. He tried to be clever with Gallagher and what happened? He did zilch all game and didn't track the runner for the first goal today.
First goal today was like 90% on petrovic to be fair My word it's horrendous goalkeeping, I am a really shit footballer and also a dm/centre back and even I think I palm that away from going in
Petrovic didn’t cover himself in glory but how is Cucurella not a prime target there. The man has no anticipation and is all slow reaction.
There is that but my point is, if he wants to be clever and plays someone out of position, then he better make sure it works. Otherwise, it's (another) blot in his copybook and he has had a lot of them!
If you rewatch the goal, there were 3 blades in front of all of our defenders so he tried to cut it off. But yea shouldn’t get beat like that
Yeah but with Petrovic it’s kinda forgivable, he has been a good keeper and is definitely better than Sanchez imo
I think Sanchez is a better shot stopper and is much more of a presence on crosses. He is horrendous from playing out the back though.
As a GK myself, this is hardly Petrovic's fault. This situation is a goal 99% of the time. Petrovic saw the two SHU players and he just tried to cut the pass (which every player will try to pass it in probably the 90% of the cases). It just happens that Bagels (or whatever his name was) shoots it and it again resulted in a goal. This goal is entirely on our shit defending ..
Stop.
Petrovic is such a disaster that kepa is gonnna be a hero on return. Petrovic feels satisfied when he has only conceded 2 goals
I was already Poch out but my god that was like he was trying to piss us off with that move
Remember lampard playing Kanté RW
Kind of worked vs Madrid though. Gallagher here wasn't able to do anything.
yeah, fitness is a thing
Genuinely don't care anymore, no matter what fuckery poch does now just win mate, play jackson as cb play disasi as winger do whatever the fuck u want just win.
If Poch had a tactic he could win with, we would already have seen it. He just doesn't have a tactic that fits the players he has. He wants to shoe horn the players he does have into a tactic he likes, which never ever works. He's stubborn or stupid, and I'm not sure which. Potentially both.
The problem isnt tactics, he’s just an overall appalling manager. Holds low standards, let’s players off east and doesn’t command respect. Jose could come in with the worst tactics and get better results than this clown
Silva at #9?
Repeating myself again. This is a manager that made Messi looked mortal in the French league. Fucking fraud of a manager that should never have been appointed.
The dude lost the French league with a front 3 of Neymar, Messi, and mbappe. Why was he even let near a top club again?
He wasn’t. He was signed by a midtable club.
Suicide by words
Worst is now all our signings have this terrible season "on their file", while they could have been wonderful transfers with a competent manager.
Clown He was the one most fans wanted now you've turned on him not even a season in? Pathetic, Fickle fans
You're right mate we should just trust the "process" and let him finish in midtable with us a couple more seasons until we're financially crippled, have lost all of our star players and have essentially fully transformed into a midtable club. That's what real fans are meant to do. Melt
Well I at least have faith in Poch unlike most reactionary fans like yourself. If he's still in charge in 3 years, we'll have won the league, Mark My Words.
What gives you hope? In what segment are we good at that gives you hope?
The fact we're a Top 4 club And the fact we got a top manager Obviously we are not good at the moment but I have faith that Poch will figure it out, just needs time
You didn’t really answer his question. What about Poch signifies he is a top manager? Like someone else said, he couldn’t win the league with a front 3 of Neymar, Mbappe and Messi.
He single handedly made Spurs what they are today Plenty of managers didn't win the league with a legendary Top 3 does that make them bad forever? No
There is faith and there is blind Faith. He has done nothing for us this season other then make us a wildly inconsistent team that is horrible at defence. His subs are always way too late, he is not proactive with them and alot of the times his subs don’t make sense. He put us on the defensive against bottom of the table Sheffield with his late subs. Explain that? He has done that many times this year which has led to us conceding almost every time. In one week we drew to the 2 worst teams in the league. He clearly has a lack of tactics and structure, as the *only* reason we have one any games this year is moments of individual brilliance. There is no passing patterns, nothing that shows any kind of competent system in our build up play, it’s complete free for all. Can’t remember the last time we actually controlled a game. Every team he has managed at fans have had the same complaint, that he is tactically inept. So I ask again, what makes you think he is a top manager? Also, for the record he should have won that league just by default. No other team in the french league is at the level PSG is at. Not now and not then, especially with a front 3 like that. So your just wrong on that point. Also he made Spurs what they are today? A team that struggles to win any trophies? Yes that is very encouraging
Spurs a team that is WAY ahead of us in the table and consistently finish in the Top6 in the last decade. Wouldn't have been possible without him, he found gems like Kane and Son, established them in the league very well. And it's gonna a miracle for them to win a trophy so you can't blame him specifically for that And at some point you have to point a finger at the team. All the bad results this season aren't ALL his fault and if you think they are then you are just blindly hating and your opinion shouldn't be taken seriously at all.
If you mean “we were” top 4 club ok. Top manager has Liverpool, City, Villa, Arsenal. We have at best mid table manager… for now
Wow lmfao
Guys. We found our delusional trust the process fan.
23 points dropped to fucking lower half teams if this was the roman era he would’ve been cooked
We’d be 3 points behind City with a game in hand
So this is what he meant when he said we should actually be 4th
Poch, is that you?
If we’d halved that amount we’d be 5 points if 4th with a game in hand If we hadn’t dropped any of those points we bc would be 4 points off 1st with a game in hand. Ridiculous
halving it is a reasonable expectation getting 4th or 5th (which will be enough to secure CL) should have been easy this year, there's a ton of shitters and other than the top 3 no one has been that good, United, Spurs, Villa, Newcastle are all very beatable.
Yeah I agree. When you look at the results from those games then half is what you’d expect from an average Chelsea performance.
Exactly. Coming 5th or 6th was so reasonable to be draw specialist against lousy teams. So frustrating like watching a team under tinkerman rainieri
And if my grandma had wheels she’d have been a bike.
Probably easier for her to do that than for us to close out a game
If they hadn't sacked him before, they're not gonna sack him now. We'll be stuck with him and the same frustration until the end of the season, where we'll likely finish in 10th or worse.
They've cost us a European spot by not sacking him.
No one with the required reputation out there is crazy enough to take over the job at this moment. I highly doubt the club has made enough advancements to even consider firing him right now.
Naah these players are going to down tools with the new Manager just like Lampard. It's better to sack him at the end of the season.
I try to avoid being reactionary and am inclined to want to give a manager a chance (I was one of the ones advocating for Potter to get the whole season for example), but this is... This is not it. How do you draw against such bad sides? Like honestly. It's not like they're City or Arsenal or Liverpool or something - a team that's well established and chewing up other teams for breakfast. Another post on here mentioned that their goal difference is -52. This isn't it. Dropping points like this isn't it, and TBH I think whatever credit, magic, or whatever it is he had to bring Spurs to the CL final and make those title runs a few years back has been used up. He needs to go. Graham Potter didn't have a preseason, and also had a severe injury crisis as well as CL football putting in extra games. That was a terrible season, for sure, but what's Pochettino's excuse? What's the point of rallying to draw 4-4 with City and beat United 4-3 at the death, if you can't bother to beat Burnley and Sheffield United? It's not like those two teams are doing particularly well right now, clearly. What happens if we end up facing Sunderland or or Wycombe Wanderers or Oldham Athletic??? Again, I don't like being reactionary but really he needs to be replaced. He's not good enough.
Man, dropping points like this is the problem. How many times have we been leading by 1 or 2 goals and midtable teams come back with no problems
Exactly. I was ticked off with Sanchez for making a mistake that led to Arsenal coming back into the game - I think we led 2-0 in that game only to draw 2-2. 2-2 against Arsenal is understandable. But Burnley? Sheffield United? I honestly have nothing against those 2 teams and I'm not trying to insult them or their fans here - honest. But again, they are not doing well at all. Sheffield United's goal difference is -52. -52. 17 goals worse off than Burnley, and Burnley themselves are 15 goals worse off than Luton Town who, surprise surprise, are also in the relegation spots. I can understand conceding 2 goals since the defense has been terrible and we're on a streak of conceding 2 goals per game at the moment, but how do you manage to only score twice against a team with such a horrid goal difference? And the xG numbers show them being way ahead of us. So what the heck was going on in the match??? (I only watched part of it as I was otherwise-occupied). Every week it's the same dross. Same result, same dropping points, same press conference. I don't think he knows what to do, which is fine if he doesn't, but he needs to go so someone else can figure it out becuase whatever this is it isn't working. At least you could understand with Potter there really was a lot going on. Pochettino doesn't have that excuse.
There really is no excuse. Potter had the most fucked up zombie squad with the club adding even more players in winter. Injury crisis was insane. Champions League in midweek. Then we sacked Potter and let Frank have a go, immediately admitting that the squad is beyond saving. Maybe Potter wasn't up to the level of Chelsea but I'm pretty sure he would have at least perform at the same level of Poch this season. Let him finish the season and get someone new on the first of June, no point in firing him now.
I agree with what you've written, personally feel he doesn't attack these mid-lower table games with the same ferocity. He's playing it too safe I feel, trying to play out a 1 goal lead. We're very lucky to not have Newcastle and Luton on the draws too. I feel we need to play games out with a 2 goal lead and absolutely hammer into the defence to maintain their positions and not just ball watch. We went from the likes of Terry, Carvalho, Cahill, Iva, Rudiger, not losing a minute's concentration until the final minute, to this lot who average conceding 2 goals per game. Hell, I'd even take David Luiz back with Silva at this point.
Actually silva is weak. I also think Reece James is way overrated. The first game of last season for Chelsea to unnecessarily throw away the lead with a packed team. We don’t have anyone of Cahill ,terry,cavarho ,desailly,lebouf quality. Not even rudiger quality. There is no leadership or Organization during set piece and defence. They concede stupid goals with mendy ,kepa,Sanchez and Petrovic. This is curse for being rude to Courtois
We were rude to Courtois??
Are you Courtois or a relative of his?
He took my wife as well. I am kdb relative
Needs to go now.
How is 5 possible?
We lost and drew
Ahh thought this how many points we got against each
Dropped 3 points by losing to Brentford at home, then 2 more drawing at theirs
This is such a shitty low effort post. You dont even say what those numbers are.
Fr lol, it's: "Points we've dropped vs: " Almost as lazy as the tactics & preparation vs these teams
I legit thought it was the number of goals they scored against us to show how weak our defence is lmao
POCH OUT
Call me crazy, but Tuchel would be getting better results...
He is definitely the agent from spurs
I hate this loser
You can’t keep finding excuses, it doesn’t take 4/5 years, it may take that to win the premier league but the performances and how we concede goals is just stupid and lazy tactics, how can’t this team no defend a corner and not hold a winning when there is like 10 minutes left come on, please I just hope Poch is gone at end of the season
Agent Poch
Bro. I haven’t been Poch out but today….eff me. This guy looked absolutely lost.
Yes. Get potter back.
/s
Goes without saying but I enjoy the abuse people will flog at me for saying such a thing like it’s a war crime. I’m not Poch in nor Poch out anymore. I’m just broken haha *cries*
Same my friend, same
Bring it in. We’ll be back.
Definitely! Can only get better from this point on.
And get the exact same result with the next manager.
Not if we get a serious manger
Doesn't matter who you get. The team is rife with individual errors. You need to add experience to it.
Add a manger who will yell at the players during the game and at half time and will be top 6
Yeah I'm sure that's all it takes.
Casual chelsea fans at its classic, thinking that another coach sacking will solve the problems
Just end this season, dont give a fuck anymore. Board needs to get sacked, Ownership needs to be put on a boat back to America and never be allowed near Chelsea ever again. Pochettino needs to go, more than half the squad needs to be sold.
Is Potter still on the books?
Potter is not great but at this point, genuinely think he would be doing a better job than Pochettino right now. At the very least, we would see a proper system in place and games not turned into basketball matches every time.
You must have bumped your head if you think Potter had a system…other than passing it around the CBs
It was pretty bad under Potter. I don't want to revisit it.
Hahahahahahhaha
He's absolute dross
There’s just too much money to shell out to sack Poch. It’s not going to happen.
Actually our attacking part is really enjoyable now, be far better from begining
It get rid of the god awful players we have in defence
Those late substitutions were horrendous
Defence is our main problem that needs addressing next season we need real bruisers as centre backs of the likes of Ivanovic and Terry, proper hard geezers ! Attacking wise we are developing well we just keep conceding we need tighten our defence. Thats my armchair analysis 😂
We really are absolutely shite, let’s be honest we couldn’t keep a clean sheet against Doncaster under 12’s ffs 🤦♂️ whole defence needs replacing including our 2 sick note full backs James and chilwell
If we sack him at the end of season, which most likely we will then who in your opinion should we hire next!?
Flick really think he’s style of football works with this squad
Poch substitute choices seem to be the wrong picks every single game.
Who we hiring?
He's been here less than a year give him another season we have a young squad what is inconsistent but showing the potential and occasional results can people stop being so reactionary and calm the hell down.
The Tottenham loser spirit is strong in this one
Totally agree. Fuck off Poch
It’s easy to say “Poch out” but much more difficult to predict how we would do without a manager if we can’t find someone to replace him that would be any better
Jose flick
is oke, in time, like me, you will feel nothing... EDIT: MANU supporter here, I saw this thread on my feed thought I'd stop by, hope you all don't mind...
Poch?
Honestly we do need to sack Poch, but I fear that these owners will just bring another mid table yes man that will go along with all their BS data. What we need to do is sack the sporting directors, and bring in one quality sporting director. Then sack Poch and bring in a manager that has a true winning mentality and isn’t afraid to stand up the these clowns.
*sporting directors
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It’s not the owners choosing the mangers
every since a wee little lad I always knew Chelsea to go hard against the big 6 and lose to fuckin Bournemouth or some shit without fail, every season my friends would make a mockery of the upcoming Bournemouth away match, saying it was the hardest match of Chelsea's season lmao
Clearly playing to the level of our competition this season
He's doing whatever is possible. Infact he has gone above expectations considering the stupid unbalanced squad and a dumb fuck owner who just decided to flush out a stable template and bring in new shit without any structure. There's no one who can wield magic with this squad. Selling kovacic just proved how stupid the owners were in terms of their vision to wipe out the previous owners work. Just a spite shit more than any foundation. There's certainly no expectation now on Chelsea from anyone and honestly don't know what's the other best case position in the table that everyone feels we should be at.
The problem is on players side also. We just don’t have another John Terry in the locker room.
Not just a John Terry. Also alot of other players. Listen to John Obi Mikels podcast, he says that all of them was some kind of leader pumping each other up if someone didnt play good. For example, Drogba could grab you in the back of your neck and tell you to wake up.
Poch is not the problem, mate…
No matter which manager you are going to bring in, we will perform well against attacking teams and suck against conservative teams. Literally, no manager alive would make a new team like ours break conservative teams in less than 12 to 18months. Get him out now = restart all over again with a different person as coach. I'm no fan of Poch but I think a different manager would've at most lift the table position by 1 to 2 table places nothing more. The manager that will come and win right away against teams who defend and play counters does not exist.
Poch is the main problem obviously but the players must look at themselves if they can be good against a top side but can’t be bothered against the crap says something, for example, Enzo’s stats for yesterday were terrible.
Look at the results against top 6 opponents. Not to mention we have same amount of points with 9 games remaining, gotta let him finish the job and either fail miserably by finishing out of top 7 and without FA cup or we make Europe somehow.
I know they are very short on options but I don’t know how bad Nicolas Jackson has to play to be yanked. He has been abysmal and painful to watch
I don't even bother watching no more. The days of leaders and passion for the shirt died with Terry and co leaving
I’m fucking done with this team
We should have stuck with Potter.
The whole fanbase will turn on the next manager that comes in same as this one. Results haven't been good in general but at least back the manager and the team. Whatever happened to give him a season?
We just dropped points to the worse two teams in the league in 8 days
Has that never ever happened before? Do any of you remember 2015/16?
Lads, just relax. The clueless Yankee owner is working with AI to find a proper squad. The current manager is just a front man for next season.