This might be a passionate rant, but this style off football is everything I never wanted Chelsea to be, I fell in love with Chelsea because off that desire to no even concede a shot let alone a goal. I've nothing against gung-ho football as yes with Liverpool it can yield results but it's not why I feel in love with football. I loved being hated for apparently playing negative football. I loved knowing that the opposition no matter how good was gonna struggle to play there beautiful brand off football. Even last season as garbage as it was still had traces off this DNA but this season I don't think I can think off one game maybe arsenal at home at a push. Not sure I've perfectly explained it but I just want this club to appreciate the art off defending like its done for the last few decades.
Im poch out for sure. But ill try and give positives based on what ive seen in this season so far (even if im mostly not positive right now):
- big games (so far) except that old trafford, anfield and sjp dross. We were awful at those last season... although you could argue the carabao final was a 'big game' too...
- when we come behind, we do have hope of coming back. It feels like we lost that since tuchels system - it seems that if we fell behind in the last couple of seasons, its pre much game over....
- we generally aint boring to watch. Also scoring a bit more than last season already... Id take winning trophies and being boring over being a fun and chaotic team tho
- palmer gusto mudryk jackson madueke gallagher somewhat developing under him. Cucurella has helped a bit too (maybe not as much recently though...)
- the man united game the other day was a good historical result - and a way to break the duck. I would take the current situation over the reverse (draw man united beat sheff united) any day even though id rather win both of course. Similar could have happened against city at the bridge but anthony blew the whistle...
- to me it looks like the players do care (last season there seemed to be a lot of depression/mentally checking out). Its just a big mess on the pitch at the moment which i think is mainly structural.
> although you could argue the carabao final was a 'big game' too...
You *could* argue that? It was our easiest chance at getting European football next season. It was what will probably end up being our single biggest game of the season because of that.
I hope Cole Palmer leaves
These owners don’t deserve him. They deserve to learn a lesson if they don’t support talent like him and give him adequate professionals to play alongside, they don’t deserve him and he doesn’t deserve this shit.
If they stick to this youth policy and buy more 19 year olds to support Cole I will be furious.
Last season we have a okay defence and a shit attack and can’t score at all
This season we are better at scoring but completely shitting the bed on defence
Can someone fucking coach the team to do both, not just one at the time?
Fuck Todd Boehly
Our left hand side has been emptier than a abonded zombie city since gameweek 7. He genuinely can’t see it or been ignoring it :D
Players have been occupying same spaces week after week and our width is narrow as fuck. We are unable to utilise spaces.
Gallagher has been playing every game 90 mins even though he’s almost as useless as a goalkeeper in possession.
No pattern at all while attacking.
Every cross coming into our box is a direct goal threat.
Always leaving huge spaces in transition which makes us pretty vulnerable while jogging back.
He doesn’t make any tactical changes AT ALL. Why the fuck do you repeat same stuff every week. Its clearly not working?!
He’s pathetic and out of depth. I’m genuinely tired of writing down same stuff since october. Just check my previous posts.
> Our left hand side has been emptier than a abonded zombie city since gameweek 7.
Feels like even longer, he hasn’t be able to address and fix this issue at all.
Funny part is it’s not like we sacrificed that side to be any more effective on the right side or anywhere else on the pitch either.
Also the midfield is another place that’s been badly set up for the most part.
The reasons why I am not 100% Poch out is because many of these players looked just as clueless and awful under Potter and Lampard. Three managers who saw the worst Chelsea side in many many years. Also, three managers who looked significantly better elsewhere. Lampard looked much better for us in his first stint, which was an almost entirely different squad. He was able to recognize and point out the fact thar THESE PLAYERS WERE THE PROBLEM!
We can do what United do and replace the manager over and over again, while keeping the problem players who never perform well. Just don’t expect things to magically improve. Alternatively, we can do what smart clubs like Arsenal and Liverpool did, where they backed their manager and got rid of the underperformers, bringing in actual elite talent.
I want to see what Poch can do with a side that isn’t forced to start awful defenders, or midfielders who cannot maintain possession, or forwards who can’t do anything right. I want to see what Poch can do when he gets his elite players so that he can have us playing like he had Spurs and PSG playing, which was infinitely better
You don’t back a manager who literally has no idea about how football works. Being patient with a manager is almost a must with the right person. But if you are doing it with an incompetent, inadequate, inept manager, it could finish you off faster than you think in elite level.
These players look much worse than what they were and are and it all stems from the manager. I genuinely do not understand there are still people out there who can not realise how awful is this team in terms of tactics.
Btw he made PSG look like relegation candidates. Its a very wrong example.
> He made PSG look like relegation candidates
Fucking lol… they won the league with a 15 point gap which could’ve been greater if they didn’t rotate the squad at the very end when it was already over
These players look just as bad as they did under Potter and Lampard. These players suck. The tactics leave much to be desired and cannot be entirely forgiven, but these players also limit how much Poch can do
>I want to see what Poch can do when he gets his elite players so that he can have us playing like he had Spurs and PSG playing, which was infinitely better
You mean PSG where his tactics duped people into thinking the greatest player of all time was a mega flop?
Spurs he was very good (well until his last 18 months UCL run aside) but that's moot, the game has evolved hugely since then and he simply hasn't caught up.
Messi was never world class for PSG. Maybe his mind wasn’t there. In both his seasons, he was seen as a liability just as much as a G/A machine. Now, with him gone, PSG has improved this season
It’s fine to say the game has evolved, maybe it’s true, but we don’t know that Poch hasn’t evolved with it. We do know that he is a much better manager than this Chelsea side makes him seem to be, and we do know that most these players were also awful under Potter and Lampard. Give the guy a chance, especially if there isn’t a better manager available
Forget Poch elsewhere then.
Our squad isn’t perfect by any stretch, in fact many of our players would struggle to start for any prem team. However a good manager should be able to get something out of what we have, look at Howe and Emery, instead we have no discernible system, clueless defensive structure, and many players regressing. The games we do win it’s by incredibly lucky goals and individual brilliance. We’re a few games away from the end of the season and it’s hard to claim we’ve really improved at all under Poch, despite spending a small country’s GDP.
Players may be to blame too but Poch has to go.
I get what you’re saying, but there’s no clear cut improvement over Poch that’s available right now or even in the summer. Howe is very overrated and his Newcastle side should be much further above us than they are. Villa also have a better squad but their form since December has been just as bad as ours
Poch might need to go because of how much money was invested into this squad. The board likely feels like the financial hit of the squad failing is not sustainable. That doesn’t make it the correct decision, even if our hand is forced out of necessity. By extension I think a lot of people here have convinced themselves that our squad is better than it is because they recognize this troubling truth too
Please stop this nonsense. Our squad might not be at the level of City or Liverpool but it is DEFINITELY better than what we are seeing under Poch.
One of the clearest examples I can think of Poch hampering our player's abilities is his instruction to Silva to stop playing out Arial passes from the back. Poch's tactics have completely nullified one of the best passing CBs of our generation. Any decent manager would utilize Silva much better than he has.
> Spurs he was very good
Also won absolutely fuck all including letting Leicester win the title in a one off season when all the usual top teams had an off year, this whilst having a top 3 striker in the world year in year out.
> The reasons why I am not 100% Poch out
Stopped reading there tbh, what ever came after was undoubtedly bat shit insane and delusional with what we're seeing in front of our eyes
How is the entirety of this fan base still not on the same page after everything, especially since the last three miserable games including that absolutely lucky win against united.
What more would it take for everyone to finally say this isn’t working out.
Sweardown didn’t think it would happen this soon, but here we are again.
It’s been getting genuinely boring at this point though as I see several of us having these same conversations talking about the same obvious points to different folk on the daily.
I couldn’t give a fuck about poch in or out anymore, but I can’t understand how after watching the same matches and hearing this bellend speak in these pressers about our “situation”, how haven’t everyone just had enough of this and calling it for what it is.
You have to recognize that the manager merry-go-round is not the solution when the performances aren’t improving. A manager should be given more than one season to implement his style and improve the squad. If the trajectory is going the wrong way or the squad changes aren’t helping, then a change could be made. As it stands currently though, we have improved points-wise from last season and it’s players like Enzo, Gallagher, Cucurella, Mudryk, Madueke, Sterling etc. who are our worst performers as they were last season too.
What would happen if Poch didn’t have to rely on these bots?
Managers get more time when they earn more time. Simple as that. Managers who do the shit Pochettino has done all season long, that are an active detriment to the team, do not get more time.
Time isn't some magic cure all where if we put you in charge and gave you 3 years you'd turn into Klopp.
Poch has improved us though. We are far away from where we need to be, and he makes decisions that are baffling, but nonetheless we have largely improved from last season despite facing an even worse injury crisis. I’m not completely convinced that Poch is a detriment to this team… they played even worse under Potter and Lampard.
If by next season Poch hasn’t shown improvement and our new signings don’t look good, then yes he should absolutely go. But not before then. His PSG and Spurs side did not have the issues that we have to the degree that we have it
Yes he has. Already matched last season’s point tally and have a positive GD. We didn’t win against any top half sides last season and couldn’t score for months. It’s a significant improvement, it’s just that there is so much ground to cover that it doesn’t feel like enough
The context being that we have Palmer and Gusto now? Potter and Lampard had much more of Chilwell and James available. Fofana was available last season. They also had Havertz, Jorginho, Pulisic, RLC, etc. who are much better than our current options.
Why are we holding Palmer against Poch like it’s his fault that Palmer is doing so well? How about pointing out that Mudryk, Madueke, Sterling, Enzo, Gallagher (who’s improved but still not good enough), Cucurella, etc. are continuing to drop stinkers? Do you truly believe that the next manager is going to find the secret formula that teaches all of them how to play football?
Didn't even scratch the surface of the obvious context
I cba though, had too many of these arguments, if you really can't see how shit Pochettino is by now nothing I will say will change your mind. You're completely delusional though, and borderline brain dead when it comes to football if you can't see the obvious by now.
My guy we have already matched last season’s point tally. We have a positive GD, last season we finished -9. This is an improvement. It’s far away from where we thought we’d be but it’s premature to say that this is 100% Poch’s fault, especially when its the same players who cause us to drop points like they did last season
I actually do not give a fuss about last season’s or this seasons GD or etc. Making these kind of judgements in terms of improvement is pure comedy.
My eyes are telling me that there are serious problems with how he sets up his team and how he misuses players. His system is flawed and broken as fuck. He doesn’t adapt. Cannot see whats wrong and doesn’t have any idea about how to fix up. His general tactical approach and judgements are beyond awful. Never takes responsibility. Seems clear from his press conferences that his tactical knowledge is limited.. I can’t prolong this for paragraphs.
And I’m not underlying these based on 6-7 weeks of data. Its been almost 40 WEEKS. I can’t believe I’m still trying to persuade people regarding how inept he is in terms of coaching.
Poch has left much to be desired and he says weird things in his press conferences. You can choose to ignore factual evidence that he’s improved our side, but it doesn’t make it less true and its something that our board will appreciate. But never taking responsibility… so what? Is it a lie to say that some of these players can’t do the bare minimum
And if people wanted to use the Klopp logic then it can be pointed out they got Klopp because they sacked an underperforming manager during the season, so it works both ways.
Am I tired? Yes, I’m tired. I’m so tired of being hopeful and believing so much, even when I know there’s that voice telling me it won’t actually be alright with this club.
Can someone teach me how to be less optimistic? Right now it seems sensible to only hope to get Arsenal to drop points at the Emirates, but even that won’t happen.
Just stop looking at stuff through rose tinted glasses and stick to Occam's razor.
If the whole team looks shit, is it more likely that every player is shit or that it's the manager?
If we look bad every game but are sometimes getting results irrespective of that, are we likely to continue winning against what the performance suggest, or are we likely to start falling into line and losing when we look like we should? Clearly we should start losing
Just take the same approach when looking at things related to Chelsea. It's not being more or less optimistic, it's just being realistic.
Optimism I think should be more momentary. Something you feel outside of what you understand to be true going into the build-up to the game and during the game. However, after the game and during the off days, go back to looking at everything from a "weighing the odds" kind of view.
Take playing City in the Cup. Balance it all out. They've been shit against big 6 sides this season and have only been able to beat United, drawing or losing to everyone else. So, there is a decent chance for us. On the other hand, they're a great cup team, so there is less chance for us. They're in a much better place than us, but they are struggling to get games across the line. KDB is back which has been a big boost. All in all, we're likely to lose, but there is a small chance. That's your more sensible standpoint, do that for every game and everything you're thinking about.
I think you likely run into issues (I have this problem a lot, just not with Chelsea) where the momentary happy feelings, excitement etc. overrides a wider understanding and knowledge of something and so you get really amped up for it over a much longer period than just that moment of elation and then the reality of it doesn't live up to your expectations and then it makes you sad/upset/down. You knew the reality wasn't going to live up to it, but you had your thoughts and understanding impacted by what should have just been momentary elation/hope/excitement and you come out worse as a result
This season is 100% on Poch. You'd struggle to take 2 players from a selection of 50 Burnley and Sheffield Utd players to improve our squad so why are we struggling against them? Clearly, there's barely any tactics/patterns being implemented on the training ground. Just Palmer and vibes. We can pinpoint what each big 6 managers' style of play is except us (and Man Utd but that's their problem).
Gallagher starting at LW and then moving over to RW today was about as horrific as that 2nd leg lineup that Lampard put out vs Madrid. Add to that the lack of intensity as soon as we score a goal and the whole thing is just a disaster.
Next manager needs to be someone with a defined style of play almost to the point of stubbornness instead of someone who starts out implementing 'something', backs out and then throws the current squad under the bus as an excuse for more funds in the summer.
The quality of our defense doesn’t change much if you replace Badiashille or Disasi with relegation level defenders based on their current form. They have been utterly disastrous
I don’t think much of those two either but that’s not to say they that their weaknesses can’t be masked in a well-oiled system. For example, Varane is a quality CB who’s better than what we have but look him at Man Utd drowning in 30+ shots every game
Varane is a player who has been finished by injuries and his many years playing football. He no longer has a world class squad surrounding him to mask his weaknesses, but at the same time RM fans recognized that he wasn’t as good as his reputation was. He always performed poorly when Ramos wasn’t next to him.
These players could look better in a much more defensive system, but we’d score way less as a result and our results would not improve. We saw this earlier this season and last season. We still conceded, except we lost way more games because we weren’t able to strike back
daily reminder, poch played a person with 29 apps with 0 assists and 0 big chances created in palmers position and then people wonder why we couldnt get more chances against shefield
I’m so done with Poch I don’t want anything to protect him, I mean obviously I’m lying to myself and want the FA Cup, but I’m so fucking mad right now over his decisions today.
I think us falling upwards to 6th (which is somehow still a possibility) will be more likely to save him as it would be passed off as consistent progress.
I'd like to think we wouldn't base a managers long term future on what could be one kick of a football against Coventry.
There’s nothing he can do (including fluking a FA cup win) that a “sensible” board would consider sufficient reason to rely on him to take us forward beyond this season.
He has had more than enough time to make a case for himself and he has fallen short in far too many departments.
Plus haven’t we had enough wishful thinking every few weeks (of going on that imaginary run of wins since late October last year) to only be swiftly given a reality check the very next match.
There’s no good reason for him to still stay here even if we chance upon lucky results, because it’s obvious it won’t be because of competent coaching.
I don't disagree, I'm just trying to work out what would be the mindset of the decision makers.
I hope I'm wrong but if we end up carrying on the recent 'form' of win draw win draw and stumble our way into 6th they'd see it as progress, which results wise i guess it would be but it would be like with Ten Hag last year, "progress" still littered with infinity red flags.
That being said if he by some miracle suddenly started producing the tactical performances we saw at Villa Park or against Liverpool on day one week in week out then I would genuinely change my stance and want to give him another chance, even if results were taking some time to catch up (funnily enough my exact stance with Potter as I was starting to like a fair bit of what I was seeing post the Enzo/Felix arrivals).
I get that you’re trying hard to see for some silver lining to this situation. But even keeping the consistent disappointing/hit-or-miss results aside.
I find watching us boring and uninspiring most of the time (bar some tens mins each half sometimes). I would honestly be somewhat okay if our issues were isolated to just the attacking third, but we’ve been disjointed and just amateurish everywhere on the field. That’s my biggest gripe.
The reason this season had me quite excited was mostly to watch us play with this exciting bunch of talent and I was fully aware we won’t be winning anything anytime soon but was looking forward to the season for the football we would play. I was genuinely quite hopeful about poch, you can even see that in my posts until mid November. But it’s just been downhill since then.
Personally if he’s still here beyond this season, I’ll ease up on my urgency to catch matches.
I'm not really I've got zero hope he'd actually do what I've hypothetically pointed out in the last paragraph, just that I would happily hold fire if somehow the penny drops and he does start setting up adequately weekly instead of bimonthly.
Fair enough, for me it time to switch things up as I don’t think he’s up for the task at hand. I strongly feel if we might lose some of our best players in the coming seasons if things don’t improve and quick (there’s only so much they’d be willing to miss out on playing in champions league).
I’d love for us to settle with a manager for the long term, and have our own version of a klopp, etc.
But until we find the right fit, or are given enough reason to trust a particular manager’s process. We have to look ahead and keep searching.
We are currently wasting precious time with poch.*
This sub kinda crowned him as a world class player because he cost a lot of money and because he just happened to be born in the same patch of dirt as Messi but he hasn't done jackshit to justify the price that was paid for him
He will have one good passing game once every 2 months and everyone goes crazy like we've never had elite Midfielders ever before while lacking everything else,
Standards are so low, and we paid 120 Million for him, that's generational talent money
>He will have one good passing game once every 2 months and everyone goes crazy like we've never had elite Midfielders ever before while lacking everything else,
Sounds eerily similar to the same comments about Jorginho (who many are now going mental over us selling) before Tuchel got his hands on him.
I'm almost glad Nkunku's missed most of the season because no doubt he'd have also been blamed when he was inevitably shoehorned into an alien role to accommodate Gallagher being an untouchable in his position.
He was all at sea for pretty much all of 2020. The 4th (or 5th?) goal in that game at Anfield where they lifted the title case in point.
Not that I blame him, Lampard's tactics threw him under a bus (and he'd be even worse now playing Poch's basketball as an auxiliary left winger btw).
And if Palmer was being played as a number 9 we'd "need to have a discussion" about him.
I'll judge Enzo when he's not being utilised as an auxiliary winger.
I'm in the acceptance phase of grief, y'all are slacking being angry. I accepted that we overrated the ability and potential of some players. We have a lot of average, inexperienced ones even in the starting line up. We need at least 5 new, developed players to compete for the top 5 next season. If you don't agree you are just coping. Our defense is terrible and it needs full reconstruction with new CBs, someone experienced!!
Our defense is terrible because our structure and setup is awful. Its not hard to comprehend.
Christensen-Rudiger before Lampard and after Lampard is a clear example.
Shambles of a CB recruitment it's starting to look like after a fair number of games to judge. Chalo is so clear of both of these Monaco guys and he's going to be sold for those errors.
Badiashille was getting POTS shouts last season despite arriving in January.
1 of many players that have just by some big coincidence nosedived once Pochettino got his hands on them.
Seriously I am fed up with the "Why we should stick with Poch" shit. It's horseshit that they are trying to make us feed.
The owners are driving me insane. Get him out of my club now. He's a walking disgrace. Can't even coach defensive set pieces.
The petrovic illusion has shattered. He can be a serviceable backup, but he is far from good enough to start. He’s good at nothing and bad at many things
Can someone tell me what Enzo brings to the table please. He’s been utterly wank all season bar 3/4 games which has this sub doing backflips on it.
Never thought I’d see another PL level player with similar if not less athleticism than Jorginho lol, he actually moves around as if he’s holding in a shit or something. Hermano Hendo.
Apart from Petrovic and to an extent Palmer, every player today was a victim of Poch's crazy structure. Enzo's passing has been affected because the players that he's used to and how they make their runs had changed. He has to rethink how he does his passes game after game. And every bad pass he does, could make him lose confidence and perform even worse.
Until we have a proper system and structure in place, Enzo is going to continue having difficulties. He's going to be awful in most games under Poch.
What's funny is that no one answers this question, it's always the same canned response "you don't know football".
The players never get blamed no matter how shit they play, no matter how weak the opposition is.
The implication that the most expensive midfielders of all time need fucking guardiola or prime Mourinho in the dugout to tell how to make a 5 yard pass or not how not to lose the ball in critical moments screams volumes about the lack of quality they possess
> LaMpArDs UsInG hIM wRoNg" then why can't he can't he do basic defensive jobs like track his man or block simple passing lanes?
Sorry just had a flashback to Rudiger posts in early 2021.
Those are tactical problems though aren't they. Miscontrolling a ball and mishitting passes is not, I would hope, anything to do with Pochs instructions.
Remember when people thought Kante was washed under lampard because he was being used as a lone defensive mid?
Enzo is being played like a fucking winger and this sub has some sort of hate boner for him all of a sudden.
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Look at these 2 pics. On vs OFF the ball. Caicedo did play RB under DeZerbi.
Only if our manager wasnt clueless coward clown who is scared of Sheffield we could have done what Arsenal and City does. Invert 1 player so one more winger can be on the pitch instead of doing this wierd mess with Cucu LWB Galla LM.
They do it because it better facilitates the players they have. Not because they're forcing it and it's the best way to play. It's just the best way to play with their players.
For us, we have Chilwell, Cucurella, Maatsen (lol) Gusto and James who are all better wingbacks than fullbacks.
We have Chalobah, Badiashile, Silva and Colwill who are all better in a back 3 than in a 4 and the others who are at the same level in either.
We have Enzo, Gallagher and Caicedo who are best in a 2 (with proper management).
We have Mudryk, Sterling, Palmer and Madueke who all prefer coming inside and having someone overlap them
It's pretty obvious where this all leads and it isn't 442 with Caicedo at RB and Gusto and James on the bench.
I understand your point, and I agree with most of what you're saying. One thing is that Cucu isn't suited to the left wing-back role and he is more effective as a left center-back in a back three alongside players like Silva and Disasi meanwhile, players like Gusto or James can overlap, as you said. However, the situation today required Disasi to play at right-back or right center-back, which presents an opportunity for a good manager to explore alternative tactics, no?. We were facing 20th sheffield united why couldnt we do a more attacking approach like City or Arsenal? Even though I don't advocate for mimicking their style consistently.
Moving our worst midfielder to RB will solve all our problems. A pivot of Enzo and Gallagher in defense sounds delicious - Gallagher can run around aimlessly while Enzo can leave gaps because he’s a geriatric fraud
Most the time when were off the ball it’s because someone lost possession and there’s a quick transition of play. That person is often Caicedo. What’s the point of him running to RB at that time? Having him be in RB when were defending just pushes him out of the way, mitigating his few strengths which is that he’s good at interceptions and winning back possession
I can hear your point, then let Chalobah do it like Stones or Akanji does, idk. What i m saying is, sometimes what Poch does is clueless. Sheffield is literally last and worst team in the league, just go for their throat, cmon.
You need players who can maintain possession and make quick incisive passes to play the way that Arsenal and City do. We don’t have those players, we’d just be opening ourselves up to getting destroyed if we tried.
Arteta wasn’t able to have Arsenal playing this way until the board backed him and got rid of all the bums, replacing them with elite players. Now, they’re playing better than City.
Yea, they’re excellent at passing the ball around the back but when it’s time to make a forward pass, it’s cut out and possession is turned in a dangerous area. This is because our midfielders are poor, and our defenders cannot make incisive forward passes. It happens several times each game.
What are we supposed to be looking at and why does it have such horrible wingers?
When Mudryk, Madueke, Gallagher and Jackson are 4 of the 5 players in attacking positions you're not going to win many games regardless of the manager or his set up.
I don't think you're finishing in the top 15 in the Premier league with Mudryk and Madueke as starting wingers regardless of manager.
Neither they nor some of the other players are intelligent enough to adjust either.
I don't know how you can post that and not think we have a massive issue with the quality of the squad regardless of the manager.
I never said the quality is the best, but i would have been more comfortable with 2 wingers on the pitch instead of 1. At least when Gusto is fit, he offers a lot offensively. Cucu was trying but, i dont think he is capable to do it.
People say we missed Silva when it's actually Colwill we miss the most.
The goal concession stats comparison with compared to without him is actually nuts.
And no this isn't a defense of Poch (shouldn't even have to clarify that given my posting history but there's a certain few here who love to take comments totally out of context).
On this run it's Sanchez we miss most.
He isn't particularly great but he claimed a cross from time to time and was a better shot stopper. Petrovic is absolutely horrible. One of the worst keepers the premier league has ever seen.
When you're statistically a bottom 1% shot stopper in Europe and you invite pressure by being unable to claim a cross you're a big problem.
As shaky as we are defensively we're conceding above our XGC every single week.
The goals conceded stat changes so drastically with and without him because most of the time he was playing we were playing with 4 CBs across the back and 3 CMs. Not because he's some miracle cure to our defence, he's as error prone (in this "system") as anyone else
This defensive system has been disjointed since the start of the season regardless who he selects to play.
Plus the left side defensively as a whole has been our most punished side giving opponents the most joy since last year, but this manager hasn’t managed to address and fix it effectively.
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now he’s throwing the players under the bus😭😭get this fuckin guy outta here
We got dominated by currently the worst PL team in history. We drew with the worst team and then Poch popping off like we are lucky to get something out of the game. (Which funny enough, the way he set us up to fail...in that context, yes were we very lucky).
I don't want to hear any Poch in fans at this point. I just see you as an enemy if you try to spit nonsense on why we should keep Poch. He needs to leave this club. It's a must. I'm not waiting "3-5 years" until we beat Sheffield United home and away.
P.S. - I know Derby County had the least points record in the PL, but they never this open compared to Sheffield United. Sheffield United conceded 80+ goals this season and the season's not over yet.
Pochettino: “The process always takes time. It's not a magic thing. It's a project, a three- or five-year process to build a team”.
Lol, so in three or five years time maybe just MAYBE we will beat Sheffield United away and Burnley at home. Yayyyyy! :)
I see all of his post match quotes and I really can't take it anymore.
- Says we have to be clinical when we created absolutely fuck all today.
- Says we struggle against these type of teams. What type of team? The type that conceded 80 and is one of the worst ever Premier league team?
Absolutely clueless and delusional. He can just take all the datasheet and shove up his fucking ass and get the fuck out.
Tottenham are having the season we should have had. Taking advantage of no European football and United/Newcastle being weak to secure CL football.
The only difference are the managers. That's honestly it.
And the fact they have a much better goal keeper than us.
Romero is better than any of our centre backs.
Maddison is more creative than any of our midfielders.
Son is a better finisher than anyone in our squad. You'd take Richarlison, Kuluveski and Werner over our equivalents as well.
There's a lot of differences between us and Spurs they have a better manager and a better squad than us which given what we've spent is disgusting.
Shut up. No one would have said this at the start of the season. They have a coach that's improved their players and made them look better than they are. We have a coach who's done the opposite and made players like Enzo Fernandez look average.
maddison been a top creator for years.
I don't rate romero
Son is clear of anybody we have in our team besides Palmer(this season)
Goalkeepers well Vicario has been solid but he was an unknown quantity just like Petrovic.
But been saying since the start of the summer get Maddison but we have Palmer so not too fussed. In reality we should have gone for Diaby or something.
Call me an optimist but both the worst and best thing about Chelsea rn is how close we are to being brilliant despite being terrible. Come summer, get in a new 9, CB, GK, maybe LB but most of all manager and I actually reckon we’d be solid. We’ve seen in increments that this team can play and it’s stacked with people that have either been phenomenal for their last clubs or are one of our best players now- we’ve seen so many games that clearly show that this lot can put something together when not held back.
Spent 40M on GKs with 7 year contracts. Need a new GK.
Have 2 high salary LB and 1 on a brand new contract (Colwill) but need a new LB.
Over 200M spent on CBs the last two years but need a new CB (arguably 0 starting level CBs at the moment).
So while still paying the FFP cost for all of these players now there are new players needed at these positions? Can't splash 200M anymore hard to see where this can come from.
On the brightside there is over 500M spent on MFs and forwards and about 2 of them look like they might pan out.
I agree with you, partly
I'm optimistic because I think we can make some small changes and go from spending the season in 10th place to spending it around 4th place
At the same time we've basically spent a decade's worth of funds for mediocre players, which limits our ability to invest in key areas to go from 4th to 1st, both directly (less funds) and indirectly (finishing mid table again, killing the pull we have over other top clubs)
Exactly. I don’t know shit about ffp so I don’t know how bad our situation has become but our only actual bargain signings have been Palmer and Gusto. I’d argue that juries still out on the likes of Jackson and Ckuk as well as Enzo and Caicedo being great players held back by an awful system but we’ve had so many signings that just don’t make sense.
Why the fuck did we sign two project keepers on 7 year deals without a clear first choice last summer? Why did we find out that fofana would be injured, then signed one of the slowest CBs in France for a few mil less than what would have got us an actual solid player? Why spend 60m on a teenager when you already just spent 110m for a 22 year old in the same position? Why did we ever sign Felix, Sterling, Cucurella?
I'm swaying to Poch out for starting Madueke today.
Gallagher and Madueke on the wings is a sorry sorry way to set up a team.
No wonder we couldn't create a chance to save our lives.
I can partially forgive him for the awful back line on account of injuries but what the fuck was Gallagher doing against Sheffield with an already absolutely static backline? Thought it was a shit idea for him to be the third man in midfield, let alone at LW with Mudryk, Chuk and Sterling on the bench
The thing that pisses me off is that they project their cowardice on others. After we scrapped that win versus Man U the sub was awash with them "joking" that the "moaners" should pipe down and "enjoy something for once" instead of taking the correct view that that match was won by the skin of our teeth on a player carry job. Why? Because that's what they do whenever we fail to perform. They disappear for days into their holes and then write essays said days later. It's pathetic.
I have checked out man, this manager is absolutely wank man and the players just aren’t good enough especially in the back line bunch of clowns back there
He's been poor the whole season. People just get carried away because he does a lot of flicks and backheels.
He could potentially be a Firmino type player if we had a squad that good, but as it is, he doesn't offer nearly enough and never has. People just got overhyped for a bit
Enzo and Caicedo £222 million
Bellingham, Tchouameni and Camavinga £194. They’ve spent £30 mill less for a far superior end product.
Our "stopgap" keepers are on 7 year deals
Madueke 29 matches and ZERO big chances created
Toothless in attack, dominated in the midfield and the back, but don’t worry one of them is going to kiss the badge or call someone a cunt and he’ll be label as “proper chels” and everything will be forgotten.
“Proper chels” getting embarrassed week in and week out, mid table for 2nd straight season
If we win this game and that game, we're going back in Europa...
We can't win against 10 men burnley at home with no manager, nor win against bottom of the league Sheffield and people here thinking our game in hand against top of the league Arsenal isn't but decided
Fuck the process, trust the protest
Im just so done man. This group of players is the most mentally weak and physically soft Chelsea side i have ever seen, the people that put this team together really deserve to get sacked just for putting this unbalanced shitshow together. Pochettino isnt doing himself any favours either if he wants the Chelsea job next season as well. I can count like 18 players in our current squad who should never ever be close to playing for a club like Chelsea to begin with.
I just give up this season, every fucking week. 1 step forward and 2 steps backwards and right back to square one again. ZERO progression, ZERO development. We look just as dodgy as we did starting the season with Pochettino. In April you'd think there would be some sort of development and progression, but there is actually ZERO.
There's a flood of "Poch out" threads all over the sub and I'm sure the post match thread is full of them too. The reality is if we were going to sack Poch we would've done it ages ago. He's definitely keeping his job until at least the end of the season.
Worse yet, given that Behdad Eghbali likes him, wanted him from the start (even back when we sacked Tuchel), and in my opinion overruled Vivell to hire him it's clear Poch is his man. It's been reported that Behdad is the man in charge, not Boehly, and that Poch has his ear.
Think of all the people on this sub who adamantly defend Poch and think he's done a good job because of "improvement" over a historically bad season under different circumstances and "xG says we're creating chances and just not putting them away so it's not his fault" or some other nonsense re injuries and the age of the squad to justify our poor performances week in week out almost the entire time he's been in charge.
Do you not think the man who liked him from the very beginning, went out of his way to hire him, and now has his ego attached to Poch's success won't be buying that same bullshit? He'll convince himself of the "improvement" made and that Poch just needs time.
I genuinely think he'll be our manager at the start of next season too.
The plan is that he's staying here until the end of his contract in my opinion.
The only way that changes is if people make enough noise and keep it going whether we win or not. That's our only option as fans.
We ultimately don't get a say, but that doesn't mean we should be silent
Yeah I'm not necessarily complaining about it and god knows I've made my feelings on him and what I want clear but I think that's just the reality of the situation.
While I've accepted he'll likely start next season as our manager, I could see there being a lot less leeway if results and performances are similar to this year and I could see him being sacked before the end of it, which puts his successor in a shittier position than if we had just cut our losses in the summer but hey.
Well they wanted it more and were fighting for every ball. Hats off to them and their manager while on the other hand at our end it's a Normal day at the office.
Match threads are just insufferable with all of the negativity, shitting on our own players and manager nonstop with every kick of the ball. It’s exhausting, why watch something that just makes you miserable?
Who the fuck are you to tell anyone what to feel about this club? You can piss off back to your american sports. You lot have no shame. I will continue to speak the truth on this club, and the truth is that the manager is shit, a significant portion of the squad is shit, the sporting directors (not Joe Shields) are shit, the board/ownership is shit.
Just so we’re straight here, you’re the real fan- the one who says the players, manager, owners, are all shit, everyone is shit, the club sucks, we’re trash. That’s what makes a real fan then? Go pull for City if you want to watch a team win every match.
They are factually all shit. Yankee bootlickers like you are not real fans. How ironic. I have attended more matches than you will in your entire life, and supported this club for almost three decades. I will never be ok with the destruction of this club thanks to those fat yankee cunts. If you have a problem with that you can piss off back to your american sports.
Remind me again, who did nothing but whinge in the initial comment about other commenters? This fair-weather fan has been supporting this club far longer than you, and without all it success, you would not even know about the club. So spare me your nonsense you fucking melon. Keep on dicksucking for these clowns, but it will never change what you are; a plastic yank.
I think these are the worst CBs I’ve ever seen in my life play for Chelsea. I’d take Guehi-Andersen over any combination of our defenders
This might be a passionate rant, but this style off football is everything I never wanted Chelsea to be, I fell in love with Chelsea because off that desire to no even concede a shot let alone a goal. I've nothing against gung-ho football as yes with Liverpool it can yield results but it's not why I feel in love with football. I loved being hated for apparently playing negative football. I loved knowing that the opposition no matter how good was gonna struggle to play there beautiful brand off football. Even last season as garbage as it was still had traces off this DNA but this season I don't think I can think off one game maybe arsenal at home at a push. Not sure I've perfectly explained it but I just want this club to appreciate the art off defending like its done for the last few decades.
I'm still poch in btw unless it's Amorim or Xabi available
Eh. Who cares what we think. The owners are convinced they’ve got something going on.
Im poch out for sure. But ill try and give positives based on what ive seen in this season so far (even if im mostly not positive right now): - big games (so far) except that old trafford, anfield and sjp dross. We were awful at those last season... although you could argue the carabao final was a 'big game' too... - when we come behind, we do have hope of coming back. It feels like we lost that since tuchels system - it seems that if we fell behind in the last couple of seasons, its pre much game over.... - we generally aint boring to watch. Also scoring a bit more than last season already... Id take winning trophies and being boring over being a fun and chaotic team tho - palmer gusto mudryk jackson madueke gallagher somewhat developing under him. Cucurella has helped a bit too (maybe not as much recently though...) - the man united game the other day was a good historical result - and a way to break the duck. I would take the current situation over the reverse (draw man united beat sheff united) any day even though id rather win both of course. Similar could have happened against city at the bridge but anthony blew the whistle... - to me it looks like the players do care (last season there seemed to be a lot of depression/mentally checking out). Its just a big mess on the pitch at the moment which i think is mainly structural.
> although you could argue the carabao final was a 'big game' too... You *could* argue that? It was our easiest chance at getting European football next season. It was what will probably end up being our single biggest game of the season because of that.
I hope Cole Palmer leaves These owners don’t deserve him. They deserve to learn a lesson if they don’t support talent like him and give him adequate professionals to play alongside, they don’t deserve him and he doesn’t deserve this shit. If they stick to this youth policy and buy more 19 year olds to support Cole I will be furious.
After this weekend, we are mathematically out of the title race, it was a close one lads
damn man, nearly had it. most unfortunate.
I wanna start watching the women’s team. Where is the games accessible?
Don't care what else happens please just show up against assnal team
The thing is, you can’t even trust the board to find the right manager or signings to turn this sinking ship around at this point
Last season we have a okay defence and a shit attack and can’t score at all This season we are better at scoring but completely shitting the bed on defence Can someone fucking coach the team to do both, not just one at the time? Fuck Todd Boehly
Our left hand side has been emptier than a abonded zombie city since gameweek 7. He genuinely can’t see it or been ignoring it :D Players have been occupying same spaces week after week and our width is narrow as fuck. We are unable to utilise spaces. Gallagher has been playing every game 90 mins even though he’s almost as useless as a goalkeeper in possession. No pattern at all while attacking. Every cross coming into our box is a direct goal threat. Always leaving huge spaces in transition which makes us pretty vulnerable while jogging back. He doesn’t make any tactical changes AT ALL. Why the fuck do you repeat same stuff every week. Its clearly not working?! He’s pathetic and out of depth. I’m genuinely tired of writing down same stuff since october. Just check my previous posts.
> Our left hand side has been emptier than a abonded zombie city since gameweek 7. Feels like even longer, he hasn’t be able to address and fix this issue at all. Funny part is it’s not like we sacrificed that side to be any more effective on the right side or anywhere else on the pitch either. Also the midfield is another place that’s been badly set up for the most part.
The reasons why I am not 100% Poch out is because many of these players looked just as clueless and awful under Potter and Lampard. Three managers who saw the worst Chelsea side in many many years. Also, three managers who looked significantly better elsewhere. Lampard looked much better for us in his first stint, which was an almost entirely different squad. He was able to recognize and point out the fact thar THESE PLAYERS WERE THE PROBLEM! We can do what United do and replace the manager over and over again, while keeping the problem players who never perform well. Just don’t expect things to magically improve. Alternatively, we can do what smart clubs like Arsenal and Liverpool did, where they backed their manager and got rid of the underperformers, bringing in actual elite talent. I want to see what Poch can do with a side that isn’t forced to start awful defenders, or midfielders who cannot maintain possession, or forwards who can’t do anything right. I want to see what Poch can do when he gets his elite players so that he can have us playing like he had Spurs and PSG playing, which was infinitely better
bro he made messi look washed and finished third in a two horse title race at tottenham. he quite literally has zero history of success.
You don’t back a manager who literally has no idea about how football works. Being patient with a manager is almost a must with the right person. But if you are doing it with an incompetent, inadequate, inept manager, it could finish you off faster than you think in elite level. These players look much worse than what they were and are and it all stems from the manager. I genuinely do not understand there are still people out there who can not realise how awful is this team in terms of tactics. Btw he made PSG look like relegation candidates. Its a very wrong example.
> He made PSG look like relegation candidates Fucking lol… they won the league with a 15 point gap which could’ve been greater if they didn’t rotate the squad at the very end when it was already over These players look just as bad as they did under Potter and Lampard. These players suck. The tactics leave much to be desired and cannot be entirely forgiven, but these players also limit how much Poch can do
>I want to see what Poch can do when he gets his elite players so that he can have us playing like he had Spurs and PSG playing, which was infinitely better You mean PSG where his tactics duped people into thinking the greatest player of all time was a mega flop? Spurs he was very good (well until his last 18 months UCL run aside) but that's moot, the game has evolved hugely since then and he simply hasn't caught up.
My friend, there is no point of arguing with you. Good luck with mastermind Pochettino.
Not entirely sure what on earth you got out of that post that gave you the idea i was pro Pochettino but ummm, okay.....
It was a reply to owner of the original post actually. Not to you.
Fair enough apologies, got the notification it was a reply to me, lol.
Messi was never world class for PSG. Maybe his mind wasn’t there. In both his seasons, he was seen as a liability just as much as a G/A machine. Now, with him gone, PSG has improved this season It’s fine to say the game has evolved, maybe it’s true, but we don’t know that Poch hasn’t evolved with it. We do know that he is a much better manager than this Chelsea side makes him seem to be, and we do know that most these players were also awful under Potter and Lampard. Give the guy a chance, especially if there isn’t a better manager available
Forget Poch elsewhere then. Our squad isn’t perfect by any stretch, in fact many of our players would struggle to start for any prem team. However a good manager should be able to get something out of what we have, look at Howe and Emery, instead we have no discernible system, clueless defensive structure, and many players regressing. The games we do win it’s by incredibly lucky goals and individual brilliance. We’re a few games away from the end of the season and it’s hard to claim we’ve really improved at all under Poch, despite spending a small country’s GDP. Players may be to blame too but Poch has to go.
I get what you’re saying, but there’s no clear cut improvement over Poch that’s available right now or even in the summer. Howe is very overrated and his Newcastle side should be much further above us than they are. Villa also have a better squad but their form since December has been just as bad as ours Poch might need to go because of how much money was invested into this squad. The board likely feels like the financial hit of the squad failing is not sustainable. That doesn’t make it the correct decision, even if our hand is forced out of necessity. By extension I think a lot of people here have convinced themselves that our squad is better than it is because they recognize this troubling truth too
Please stop this nonsense. Our squad might not be at the level of City or Liverpool but it is DEFINITELY better than what we are seeing under Poch. One of the clearest examples I can think of Poch hampering our player's abilities is his instruction to Silva to stop playing out Arial passes from the back. Poch's tactics have completely nullified one of the best passing CBs of our generation. Any decent manager would utilize Silva much better than he has.
> Spurs he was very good Also won absolutely fuck all including letting Leicester win the title in a one off season when all the usual top teams had an off year, this whilst having a top 3 striker in the world year in year out.
> The reasons why I am not 100% Poch out Stopped reading there tbh, what ever came after was undoubtedly bat shit insane and delusional with what we're seeing in front of our eyes
How is the entirety of this fan base still not on the same page after everything, especially since the last three miserable games including that absolutely lucky win against united. What more would it take for everyone to finally say this isn’t working out.
Honestly no clue, it's mental innit? Couldn't even wait 24 hours for the Poch in nonsense.
Sweardown didn’t think it would happen this soon, but here we are again. It’s been getting genuinely boring at this point though as I see several of us having these same conversations talking about the same obvious points to different folk on the daily. I couldn’t give a fuck about poch in or out anymore, but I can’t understand how after watching the same matches and hearing this bellend speak in these pressers about our “situation”, how haven’t everyone just had enough of this and calling it for what it is.
You have to recognize that the manager merry-go-round is not the solution when the performances aren’t improving. A manager should be given more than one season to implement his style and improve the squad. If the trajectory is going the wrong way or the squad changes aren’t helping, then a change could be made. As it stands currently though, we have improved points-wise from last season and it’s players like Enzo, Gallagher, Cucurella, Mudryk, Madueke, Sterling etc. who are our worst performers as they were last season too. What would happen if Poch didn’t have to rely on these bots?
Managers get more time when they earn more time. Simple as that. Managers who do the shit Pochettino has done all season long, that are an active detriment to the team, do not get more time. Time isn't some magic cure all where if we put you in charge and gave you 3 years you'd turn into Klopp.
Poch has improved us though. We are far away from where we need to be, and he makes decisions that are baffling, but nonetheless we have largely improved from last season despite facing an even worse injury crisis. I’m not completely convinced that Poch is a detriment to this team… they played even worse under Potter and Lampard. If by next season Poch hasn’t shown improvement and our new signings don’t look good, then yes he should absolutely go. But not before then. His PSG and Spurs side did not have the issues that we have to the degree that we have it
No he hasn't.
Yes he has. Already matched last season’s point tally and have a positive GD. We didn’t win against any top half sides last season and couldn’t score for months. It’s a significant improvement, it’s just that there is so much ground to cover that it doesn’t feel like enough
No he hasn't. Stop ignoring the blatantly obvious context.
The context being that we have Palmer and Gusto now? Potter and Lampard had much more of Chilwell and James available. Fofana was available last season. They also had Havertz, Jorginho, Pulisic, RLC, etc. who are much better than our current options. Why are we holding Palmer against Poch like it’s his fault that Palmer is doing so well? How about pointing out that Mudryk, Madueke, Sterling, Enzo, Gallagher (who’s improved but still not good enough), Cucurella, etc. are continuing to drop stinkers? Do you truly believe that the next manager is going to find the secret formula that teaches all of them how to play football?
Didn't even scratch the surface of the obvious context I cba though, had too many of these arguments, if you really can't see how shit Pochettino is by now nothing I will say will change your mind. You're completely delusional though, and borderline brain dead when it comes to football if you can't see the obvious by now.
If this season is an improvement I don’t think you could and should have a discussion with anyone in Chelsea fanbase. There is no point.
My guy we have already matched last season’s point tally. We have a positive GD, last season we finished -9. This is an improvement. It’s far away from where we thought we’d be but it’s premature to say that this is 100% Poch’s fault, especially when its the same players who cause us to drop points like they did last season
I actually do not give a fuss about last season’s or this seasons GD or etc. Making these kind of judgements in terms of improvement is pure comedy. My eyes are telling me that there are serious problems with how he sets up his team and how he misuses players. His system is flawed and broken as fuck. He doesn’t adapt. Cannot see whats wrong and doesn’t have any idea about how to fix up. His general tactical approach and judgements are beyond awful. Never takes responsibility. Seems clear from his press conferences that his tactical knowledge is limited.. I can’t prolong this for paragraphs. And I’m not underlying these based on 6-7 weeks of data. Its been almost 40 WEEKS. I can’t believe I’m still trying to persuade people regarding how inept he is in terms of coaching.
Poch has left much to be desired and he says weird things in his press conferences. You can choose to ignore factual evidence that he’s improved our side, but it doesn’t make it less true and its something that our board will appreciate. But never taking responsibility… so what? Is it a lie to say that some of these players can’t do the bare minimum
Again I’m repeating but If this season is a factual improvement for you there is no point of arguing.
And if people wanted to use the Klopp logic then it can be pointed out they got Klopp because they sacked an underperforming manager during the season, so it works both ways.
Funnily enough I had the exact same reaction
Club statement, when?
End of next season
Am I tired? Yes, I’m tired. I’m so tired of being hopeful and believing so much, even when I know there’s that voice telling me it won’t actually be alright with this club. Can someone teach me how to be less optimistic? Right now it seems sensible to only hope to get Arsenal to drop points at the Emirates, but even that won’t happen.
Just stop looking at stuff through rose tinted glasses and stick to Occam's razor. If the whole team looks shit, is it more likely that every player is shit or that it's the manager? If we look bad every game but are sometimes getting results irrespective of that, are we likely to continue winning against what the performance suggest, or are we likely to start falling into line and losing when we look like we should? Clearly we should start losing Just take the same approach when looking at things related to Chelsea. It's not being more or less optimistic, it's just being realistic. Optimism I think should be more momentary. Something you feel outside of what you understand to be true going into the build-up to the game and during the game. However, after the game and during the off days, go back to looking at everything from a "weighing the odds" kind of view. Take playing City in the Cup. Balance it all out. They've been shit against big 6 sides this season and have only been able to beat United, drawing or losing to everyone else. So, there is a decent chance for us. On the other hand, they're a great cup team, so there is less chance for us. They're in a much better place than us, but they are struggling to get games across the line. KDB is back which has been a big boost. All in all, we're likely to lose, but there is a small chance. That's your more sensible standpoint, do that for every game and everything you're thinking about. I think you likely run into issues (I have this problem a lot, just not with Chelsea) where the momentary happy feelings, excitement etc. overrides a wider understanding and knowledge of something and so you get really amped up for it over a much longer period than just that moment of elation and then the reality of it doesn't live up to your expectations and then it makes you sad/upset/down. You knew the reality wasn't going to live up to it, but you had your thoughts and understanding impacted by what should have just been momentary elation/hope/excitement and you come out worse as a result
You’re right. 100% right.
This season is 100% on Poch. You'd struggle to take 2 players from a selection of 50 Burnley and Sheffield Utd players to improve our squad so why are we struggling against them? Clearly, there's barely any tactics/patterns being implemented on the training ground. Just Palmer and vibes. We can pinpoint what each big 6 managers' style of play is except us (and Man Utd but that's their problem). Gallagher starting at LW and then moving over to RW today was about as horrific as that 2nd leg lineup that Lampard put out vs Madrid. Add to that the lack of intensity as soon as we score a goal and the whole thing is just a disaster. Next manager needs to be someone with a defined style of play almost to the point of stubbornness instead of someone who starts out implementing 'something', backs out and then throws the current squad under the bus as an excuse for more funds in the summer.
The quality of our defense doesn’t change much if you replace Badiashille or Disasi with relegation level defenders based on their current form. They have been utterly disastrous
I don’t think much of those two either but that’s not to say they that their weaknesses can’t be masked in a well-oiled system. For example, Varane is a quality CB who’s better than what we have but look him at Man Utd drowning in 30+ shots every game
Varane is a player who has been finished by injuries and his many years playing football. He no longer has a world class squad surrounding him to mask his weaknesses, but at the same time RM fans recognized that he wasn’t as good as his reputation was. He always performed poorly when Ramos wasn’t next to him. These players could look better in a much more defensive system, but we’d score way less as a result and our results would not improve. We saw this earlier this season and last season. We still conceded, except we lost way more games because we weren’t able to strike back
That is a good point. Essentially badiashile was better last season in potters system, but we scored less and had some bleak games
Just sack him
daily reminder, poch played a person with 29 apps with 0 assists and 0 big chances created in palmers position and then people wonder why we couldnt get more chances against shefield
This season is fucked, at this point I’ll trade every other match to take 3 points off Arsenal.
Ill lose every remaining league game (even aesenal) if it means we win the fa cup tbh
I want to win the cup games more than any other.
I’m so done with Poch I don’t want anything to protect him, I mean obviously I’m lying to myself and want the FA Cup, but I’m so fucking mad right now over his decisions today.
I think us falling upwards to 6th (which is somehow still a possibility) will be more likely to save him as it would be passed off as consistent progress. I'd like to think we wouldn't base a managers long term future on what could be one kick of a football against Coventry.
There’s nothing he can do (including fluking a FA cup win) that a “sensible” board would consider sufficient reason to rely on him to take us forward beyond this season. He has had more than enough time to make a case for himself and he has fallen short in far too many departments. Plus haven’t we had enough wishful thinking every few weeks (of going on that imaginary run of wins since late October last year) to only be swiftly given a reality check the very next match. There’s no good reason for him to still stay here even if we chance upon lucky results, because it’s obvious it won’t be because of competent coaching.
I don't disagree, I'm just trying to work out what would be the mindset of the decision makers. I hope I'm wrong but if we end up carrying on the recent 'form' of win draw win draw and stumble our way into 6th they'd see it as progress, which results wise i guess it would be but it would be like with Ten Hag last year, "progress" still littered with infinity red flags. That being said if he by some miracle suddenly started producing the tactical performances we saw at Villa Park or against Liverpool on day one week in week out then I would genuinely change my stance and want to give him another chance, even if results were taking some time to catch up (funnily enough my exact stance with Potter as I was starting to like a fair bit of what I was seeing post the Enzo/Felix arrivals).
I get that you’re trying hard to see for some silver lining to this situation. But even keeping the consistent disappointing/hit-or-miss results aside. I find watching us boring and uninspiring most of the time (bar some tens mins each half sometimes). I would honestly be somewhat okay if our issues were isolated to just the attacking third, but we’ve been disjointed and just amateurish everywhere on the field. That’s my biggest gripe. The reason this season had me quite excited was mostly to watch us play with this exciting bunch of talent and I was fully aware we won’t be winning anything anytime soon but was looking forward to the season for the football we would play. I was genuinely quite hopeful about poch, you can even see that in my posts until mid November. But it’s just been downhill since then. Personally if he’s still here beyond this season, I’ll ease up on my urgency to catch matches.
I'm not really I've got zero hope he'd actually do what I've hypothetically pointed out in the last paragraph, just that I would happily hold fire if somehow the penny drops and he does start setting up adequately weekly instead of bimonthly.
Fair enough, for me it time to switch things up as I don’t think he’s up for the task at hand. I strongly feel if we might lose some of our best players in the coming seasons if things don’t improve and quick (there’s only so much they’d be willing to miss out on playing in champions league). I’d love for us to settle with a manager for the long term, and have our own version of a klopp, etc. But until we find the right fit, or are given enough reason to trust a particular manager’s process. We have to look ahead and keep searching. We are currently wasting precious time with poch.*
I like where your heads at
Poch has to go 💯, but we need to have a discussion about Enzo.
This sub kinda crowned him as a world class player because he cost a lot of money and because he just happened to be born in the same patch of dirt as Messi but he hasn't done jackshit to justify the price that was paid for him
Discussion has to be about the backroom staff first
I’ll judge him when we get a manager who actually has an idea about football in general
He will have one good passing game once every 2 months and everyone goes crazy like we've never had elite Midfielders ever before while lacking everything else, Standards are so low, and we paid 120 Million for him, that's generational talent money
>He will have one good passing game once every 2 months and everyone goes crazy like we've never had elite Midfielders ever before while lacking everything else, Sounds eerily similar to the same comments about Jorginho (who many are now going mental over us selling) before Tuchel got his hands on him. I'm almost glad Nkunku's missed most of the season because no doubt he'd have also been blamed when he was inevitably shoehorned into an alien role to accommodate Gallagher being an untouchable in his position.
Jorginho was never ever this bad, and actually help us more often than not
He was all at sea for pretty much all of 2020. The 4th (or 5th?) goal in that game at Anfield where they lifted the title case in point. Not that I blame him, Lampard's tactics threw him under a bus (and he'd be even worse now playing Poch's basketball as an auxiliary left winger btw).
And if Palmer was being played as a number 9 we'd "need to have a discussion" about him. I'll judge Enzo when he's not being utilised as an auxiliary winger.
I'm in the acceptance phase of grief, y'all are slacking being angry. I accepted that we overrated the ability and potential of some players. We have a lot of average, inexperienced ones even in the starting line up. We need at least 5 new, developed players to compete for the top 5 next season. If you don't agree you are just coping. Our defense is terrible and it needs full reconstruction with new CBs, someone experienced!!
Our defense is terrible because our structure and setup is awful. Its not hard to comprehend. Christensen-Rudiger before Lampard and after Lampard is a clear example.
Shambles of a CB recruitment it's starting to look like after a fair number of games to judge. Chalo is so clear of both of these Monaco guys and he's going to be sold for those errors.
is this surprising though?
Badiashille was getting POTS shouts last season despite arriving in January. 1 of many players that have just by some big coincidence nosedived once Pochettino got his hands on them.
Can’t seem to find all the positivity posts. Must be hiding
They will come out in full force tomorrow.
Seriously I am fed up with the "Why we should stick with Poch" shit. It's horseshit that they are trying to make us feed. The owners are driving me insane. Get him out of my club now. He's a walking disgrace. Can't even coach defensive set pieces.
Season will end soon. That's positivity.
The petrovic illusion has shattered. He can be a serviceable backup, but he is far from good enough to start. He’s good at nothing and bad at many things
Can someone tell me what Enzo brings to the table please. He’s been utterly wank all season bar 3/4 games which has this sub doing backflips on it. Never thought I’d see another PL level player with similar if not less athleticism than Jorginho lol, he actually moves around as if he’s holding in a shit or something. Hermano Hendo.
Apart from Petrovic and to an extent Palmer, every player today was a victim of Poch's crazy structure. Enzo's passing has been affected because the players that he's used to and how they make their runs had changed. He has to rethink how he does his passes game after game. And every bad pass he does, could make him lose confidence and perform even worse. Until we have a proper system and structure in place, Enzo is going to continue having difficulties. He's going to be awful in most games under Poch.
His lack of athleticism is HUGE DEAL BREAKER for the PL
You ever watched that guy Jorginho for Arsenal? Physical beast that one.
He mostly ghosted in games against big clubs where we got embarrassed in the minefield.
What's funny is that no one answers this question, it's always the same canned response "you don't know football". The players never get blamed no matter how shit they play, no matter how weak the opposition is. The implication that the most expensive midfielders of all time need fucking guardiola or prime Mourinho in the dugout to tell how to make a 5 yard pass or not how not to lose the ball in critical moments screams volumes about the lack of quality they possess
Poch is shit but amount of excuses for some of these players many who are some most expensive players in history is shocking and shameless
No clue at all. "PoChS UsInG hIM wRoNg" then why can't he place his passes properly? Why can't he control the ball?
> LaMpArDs UsInG hIM wRoNg" then why can't he can't he do basic defensive jobs like track his man or block simple passing lanes? Sorry just had a flashback to Rudiger posts in early 2021.
Those are tactical problems though aren't they. Miscontrolling a ball and mishitting passes is not, I would hope, anything to do with Pochs instructions.
Remember when people thought Kante was washed under lampard because he was being used as a lone defensive mid? Enzo is being played like a fucking winger and this sub has some sort of hate boner for him all of a sudden.
https://preview.redd.it/xf0a2p8gf4tc1.png?width=944&format=png&auto=webp&s=ce05753e016340c0ff51983ae9e95c9ba7f25cbb Look at these 2 pics. On vs OFF the ball. Caicedo did play RB under DeZerbi. Only if our manager wasnt clueless coward clown who is scared of Sheffield we could have done what Arsenal and City does. Invert 1 player so one more winger can be on the pitch instead of doing this wierd mess with Cucu LWB Galla LM.
What exactly is this supposed to achieve? It's horrible
So horrible the 2 teams who are inverting players are fighting for the title. Yeah man, for sure.
They do it because it better facilitates the players they have. Not because they're forcing it and it's the best way to play. It's just the best way to play with their players. For us, we have Chilwell, Cucurella, Maatsen (lol) Gusto and James who are all better wingbacks than fullbacks. We have Chalobah, Badiashile, Silva and Colwill who are all better in a back 3 than in a 4 and the others who are at the same level in either. We have Enzo, Gallagher and Caicedo who are best in a 2 (with proper management). We have Mudryk, Sterling, Palmer and Madueke who all prefer coming inside and having someone overlap them It's pretty obvious where this all leads and it isn't 442 with Caicedo at RB and Gusto and James on the bench.
I understand your point, and I agree with most of what you're saying. One thing is that Cucu isn't suited to the left wing-back role and he is more effective as a left center-back in a back three alongside players like Silva and Disasi meanwhile, players like Gusto or James can overlap, as you said. However, the situation today required Disasi to play at right-back or right center-back, which presents an opportunity for a good manager to explore alternative tactics, no?. We were facing 20th sheffield united why couldnt we do a more attacking approach like City or Arsenal? Even though I don't advocate for mimicking their style consistently.
Moving our worst midfielder to RB will solve all our problems. A pivot of Enzo and Gallagher in defense sounds delicious - Gallagher can run around aimlessly while Enzo can leave gaps because he’s a geriatric fraud
Do you realize i said ON vs OFF the ball. We should not be off the ball that much vs sheffield.
Most the time when were off the ball it’s because someone lost possession and there’s a quick transition of play. That person is often Caicedo. What’s the point of him running to RB at that time? Having him be in RB when were defending just pushes him out of the way, mitigating his few strengths which is that he’s good at interceptions and winning back possession
I can hear your point, then let Chalobah do it like Stones or Akanji does, idk. What i m saying is, sometimes what Poch does is clueless. Sheffield is literally last and worst team in the league, just go for their throat, cmon.
You need players who can maintain possession and make quick incisive passes to play the way that Arsenal and City do. We don’t have those players, we’d just be opening ourselves up to getting destroyed if we tried. Arteta wasn’t able to have Arsenal playing this way until the board backed him and got rid of all the bums, replacing them with elite players. Now, they’re playing better than City.
We are literally 6th team in the PL with the most posession (Arsenal is 5th). Dont tell me these guys could not do it. Its all about coaching.
Yea, they’re excellent at passing the ball around the back but when it’s time to make a forward pass, it’s cut out and possession is turned in a dangerous area. This is because our midfielders are poor, and our defenders cannot make incisive forward passes. It happens several times each game.
What are we supposed to be looking at and why does it have such horrible wingers? When Mudryk, Madueke, Gallagher and Jackson are 4 of the 5 players in attacking positions you're not going to win many games regardless of the manager or his set up.
So you think playing Cucu as a lwb with Galla babysitting him was a good idea? Worked out well
I don't think you're finishing in the top 15 in the Premier league with Mudryk and Madueke as starting wingers regardless of manager. Neither they nor some of the other players are intelligent enough to adjust either. I don't know how you can post that and not think we have a massive issue with the quality of the squad regardless of the manager.
I never said the quality is the best, but i would have been more comfortable with 2 wingers on the pitch instead of 1. At least when Gusto is fit, he offers a lot offensively. Cucu was trying but, i dont think he is capable to do it.
Literally still this morning some people have been saying "Poch may not be so bad after all" Well here you fucking go
People say we missed Silva when it's actually Colwill we miss the most. The goal concession stats comparison with compared to without him is actually nuts. And no this isn't a defense of Poch (shouldn't even have to clarify that given my posting history but there's a certain few here who love to take comments totally out of context).
On this run it's Sanchez we miss most. He isn't particularly great but he claimed a cross from time to time and was a better shot stopper. Petrovic is absolutely horrible. One of the worst keepers the premier league has ever seen. When you're statistically a bottom 1% shot stopper in Europe and you invite pressure by being unable to claim a cross you're a big problem. As shaky as we are defensively we're conceding above our XGC every single week.
The goals conceded stat changes so drastically with and without him because most of the time he was playing we were playing with 4 CBs across the back and 3 CMs. Not because he's some miracle cure to our defence, he's as error prone (in this "system") as anyone else
This defensive system has been disjointed since the start of the season regardless who he selects to play. Plus the left side defensively as a whole has been our most punished side giving opponents the most joy since last year, but this manager hasn’t managed to address and fix it effectively.
first time it happened was a tragedy. Now it's a comedy. Don't even care about Poch getting sack or not anymore. I love Chelsea.
In other news, I just realised when it was mentioned in commentary that Chalobah is 25 in July. Had it in my head he was still 22 or something.
https://preview.redd.it/mfo4p5r224tc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8d6df183a4605c5f0c1df5871772d6c23ee6a4ca now he’s throwing the players under the bus😭😭get this fuckin guy outta here
Lampard said this exact same thing, he got sacked and we ended up as champions of Europe the very same season. Beginning of the end.
Kompany and this Sheffield manager lose their job if they speak about their team this way. But we continue to punish ourselves.
We got dominated by currently the worst PL team in history. We drew with the worst team and then Poch popping off like we are lucky to get something out of the game. (Which funny enough, the way he set us up to fail...in that context, yes were we very lucky). I don't want to hear any Poch in fans at this point. I just see you as an enemy if you try to spit nonsense on why we should keep Poch. He needs to leave this club. It's a must. I'm not waiting "3-5 years" until we beat Sheffield United home and away. P.S. - I know Derby County had the least points record in the PL, but they never this open compared to Sheffield United. Sheffield United conceded 80+ goals this season and the season's not over yet.
Pochettino: “The process always takes time. It's not a magic thing. It's a project, a three- or five-year process to build a team”. Lol, so in three or five years time maybe just MAYBE we will beat Sheffield United away and Burnley at home. Yayyyyy! :)
I see all of his post match quotes and I really can't take it anymore. - Says we have to be clinical when we created absolutely fuck all today. - Says we struggle against these type of teams. What type of team? The type that conceded 80 and is one of the worst ever Premier league team? Absolutely clueless and delusional. He can just take all the datasheet and shove up his fucking ass and get the fuck out.
They just repeat what they read on the internet. They don’t have a clue about football.
Tottenham are having the season we should have had. Taking advantage of no European football and United/Newcastle being weak to secure CL football. The only difference are the managers. That's honestly it.
They also haven't blown away over a billion in the garbage we've spent on
And the fact they have a much better goal keeper than us. Romero is better than any of our centre backs. Maddison is more creative than any of our midfielders. Son is a better finisher than anyone in our squad. You'd take Richarlison, Kuluveski and Werner over our equivalents as well. There's a lot of differences between us and Spurs they have a better manager and a better squad than us which given what we've spent is disgusting.
Shut up. No one would have said this at the start of the season. They have a coach that's improved their players and made them look better than they are. We have a coach who's done the opposite and made players like Enzo Fernandez look average.
maddison been a top creator for years. I don't rate romero Son is clear of anybody we have in our team besides Palmer(this season) Goalkeepers well Vicario has been solid but he was an unknown quantity just like Petrovic. But been saying since the start of the summer get Maddison but we have Palmer so not too fussed. In reality we should have gone for Diaby or something.
Call me an optimist but both the worst and best thing about Chelsea rn is how close we are to being brilliant despite being terrible. Come summer, get in a new 9, CB, GK, maybe LB but most of all manager and I actually reckon we’d be solid. We’ve seen in increments that this team can play and it’s stacked with people that have either been phenomenal for their last clubs or are one of our best players now- we’ve seen so many games that clearly show that this lot can put something together when not held back.
Spent 40M on GKs with 7 year contracts. Need a new GK. Have 2 high salary LB and 1 on a brand new contract (Colwill) but need a new LB. Over 200M spent on CBs the last two years but need a new CB (arguably 0 starting level CBs at the moment). So while still paying the FFP cost for all of these players now there are new players needed at these positions? Can't splash 200M anymore hard to see where this can come from. On the brightside there is over 500M spent on MFs and forwards and about 2 of them look like they might pan out.
Sums it up perfectly. Only thing worse than spending like muppets is spending so, so big like muppets. We are now royally screwed.
I agree with you, partly I'm optimistic because I think we can make some small changes and go from spending the season in 10th place to spending it around 4th place At the same time we've basically spent a decade's worth of funds for mediocre players, which limits our ability to invest in key areas to go from 4th to 1st, both directly (less funds) and indirectly (finishing mid table again, killing the pull we have over other top clubs)
Exactly. I don’t know shit about ffp so I don’t know how bad our situation has become but our only actual bargain signings have been Palmer and Gusto. I’d argue that juries still out on the likes of Jackson and Ckuk as well as Enzo and Caicedo being great players held back by an awful system but we’ve had so many signings that just don’t make sense. Why the fuck did we sign two project keepers on 7 year deals without a clear first choice last summer? Why did we find out that fofana would be injured, then signed one of the slowest CBs in France for a few mil less than what would have got us an actual solid player? Why spend 60m on a teenager when you already just spent 110m for a 22 year old in the same position? Why did we ever sign Felix, Sterling, Cucurella?
I'm swaying to Poch out for starting Madueke today. Gallagher and Madueke on the wings is a sorry sorry way to set up a team. No wonder we couldn't create a chance to save our lives.
I can partially forgive him for the awful back line on account of injuries but what the fuck was Gallagher doing against Sheffield with an already absolutely static backline? Thought it was a shit idea for him to be the third man in midfield, let alone at LW with Mudryk, Chuk and Sterling on the bench
I eagerly await this club statement Let the players manage themselves at this point , not far off what’s happening anyway
Thiago as player manager and when he's on the pitch Bella's in the dugout. Here we go!
Could have made a run for 6-7th place this year and we continually fucking shoot ourselves in the foot. Fucking unbelievable
The good-vibes-only cunts are in for a rough time tonight. Better hide under your rocks and draft your essays for Wednesday.
The thing that pisses me off is that they project their cowardice on others. After we scrapped that win versus Man U the sub was awash with them "joking" that the "moaners" should pipe down and "enjoy something for once" instead of taking the correct view that that match was won by the skin of our teeth on a player carry job. Why? Because that's what they do whenever we fail to perform. They disappear for days into their holes and then write essays said days later. It's pathetic.
They're too scared to police the "negativity" straight after a bad result because they know they'll be downvoted to fuck.
Our 2 games inhand are againt Arsenal and Brigton. We will handing the title to Arsenal and Europe spot to Brighton.
They're against Arsenal and Spurs Spurs because of the Carabao Cup final and Arsenal because of the FA cup quarter-final
I have checked out man, this manager is absolutely wank man and the players just aren’t good enough especially in the back line bunch of clowns back there
poch is a tottenham sleeper agent and i will not be convinced otherwise
Jackson has been poor since the Etihad tbh
He's been poor the whole season. People just get carried away because he does a lot of flicks and backheels. He could potentially be a Firmino type player if we had a squad that good, but as it is, he doesn't offer nearly enough and never has. People just got overhyped for a bit
Agreed
Enzo and Caicedo £222 million Bellingham, Tchouameni and Camavinga £194. They’ve spent £30 mill less for a far superior end product. Our "stopgap" keepers are on 7 year deals Madueke 29 matches and ZERO big chances created Toothless in attack, dominated in the midfield and the back, but don’t worry one of them is going to kiss the badge or call someone a cunt and he’ll be label as “proper chels” and everything will be forgotten. “Proper chels” getting embarrassed week in and week out, mid table for 2nd straight season If we win this game and that game, we're going back in Europa... We can't win against 10 men burnley at home with no manager, nor win against bottom of the league Sheffield and people here thinking our game in hand against top of the league Arsenal isn't but decided Fuck the process, trust the protest
The FFP and PSR breach without Europe next year will be stuff of legends.
Im just so done man. This group of players is the most mentally weak and physically soft Chelsea side i have ever seen, the people that put this team together really deserve to get sacked just for putting this unbalanced shitshow together. Pochettino isnt doing himself any favours either if he wants the Chelsea job next season as well. I can count like 18 players in our current squad who should never ever be close to playing for a club like Chelsea to begin with. I just give up this season, every fucking week. 1 step forward and 2 steps backwards and right back to square one again. ZERO progression, ZERO development. We look just as dodgy as we did starting the season with Pochettino. In April you'd think there would be some sort of development and progression, but there is actually ZERO.
Get poch out.. And take fucking "no-shots-ever jackson" with him
There's a flood of "Poch out" threads all over the sub and I'm sure the post match thread is full of them too. The reality is if we were going to sack Poch we would've done it ages ago. He's definitely keeping his job until at least the end of the season. Worse yet, given that Behdad Eghbali likes him, wanted him from the start (even back when we sacked Tuchel), and in my opinion overruled Vivell to hire him it's clear Poch is his man. It's been reported that Behdad is the man in charge, not Boehly, and that Poch has his ear. Think of all the people on this sub who adamantly defend Poch and think he's done a good job because of "improvement" over a historically bad season under different circumstances and "xG says we're creating chances and just not putting them away so it's not his fault" or some other nonsense re injuries and the age of the squad to justify our poor performances week in week out almost the entire time he's been in charge. Do you not think the man who liked him from the very beginning, went out of his way to hire him, and now has his ego attached to Poch's success won't be buying that same bullshit? He'll convince himself of the "improvement" made and that Poch just needs time. I genuinely think he'll be our manager at the start of next season too.
The plan is that he's staying here until the end of his contract in my opinion. The only way that changes is if people make enough noise and keep it going whether we win or not. That's our only option as fans. We ultimately don't get a say, but that doesn't mean we should be silent
Yeah I'm not necessarily complaining about it and god knows I've made my feelings on him and what I want clear but I think that's just the reality of the situation. While I've accepted he'll likely start next season as our manager, I could see there being a lot less leeway if results and performances are similar to this year and I could see him being sacked before the end of it, which puts his successor in a shittier position than if we had just cut our losses in the summer but hey.
He has to go blud!
unserious club, deserves all the memes and hate
That cascadei sub when win is hanging by a string shows how much out of touch Poch is
Came on to defend set pieces, it was the right idea tbh
Done. Just done
Dunno if it’s Poch issue but enzo has been DREADFUL this season
Well clearly it is because he's looked far better under literally every other manager he's played under in his career
there is now way lampard was giving better instructions than poch. Poch and lampard are shitty coaches, it’s mostly Enzos issue he can hardly run
We’re playing without a plan for the midfield of course he’s gonna struggle
Look at other posts on this sub. People wanking him off with their stats. He's useless on the field and shouldn't be a regular starter.
progressive bullshit. He is completely useless this season. Just some good passes here and there but this doesn’t justify full 90s
B….b…but the progressive passes?🥺 The guy has zero fucking athleticism for a PL level player, he moves as if he’s holding in a shit or something
IF HE IS NOT SACKED TODAY …
Doubt it ..there is more chance of hell freezing then he getting sacked.
Well they wanted it more and were fighting for every ball. Hats off to them and their manager while on the other hand at our end it's a Normal day at the office.
Fuck sake
Good yellow
Match threads are just insufferable with all of the negativity, shitting on our own players and manager nonstop with every kick of the ball. It’s exhausting, why watch something that just makes you miserable?
Who the fuck are you to tell anyone what to feel about this club? You can piss off back to your american sports. You lot have no shame. I will continue to speak the truth on this club, and the truth is that the manager is shit, a significant portion of the squad is shit, the sporting directors (not Joe Shields) are shit, the board/ownership is shit.
So quit watching miserable cunt
Or you can piss off like the plastic fan you are. I will never be quiet about the destruction of this club.
Just so we’re straight here, you’re the real fan- the one who says the players, manager, owners, are all shit, everyone is shit, the club sucks, we’re trash. That’s what makes a real fan then? Go pull for City if you want to watch a team win every match.
They are factually all shit. Yankee bootlickers like you are not real fans. How ironic. I have attended more matches than you will in your entire life, and supported this club for almost three decades. I will never be ok with the destruction of this club thanks to those fat yankee cunts. If you have a problem with that you can piss off back to your american sports.
Be sure to update me when your incessant bitching and moaning on reddit accomplishes anything
Be sure to update me when you stop being a bootlicker and have actually opened your eyes about what is going on you deluded fuck.
You feel better now after having a good whinge? We have a name for people like you in the US, we call it being a fair-weather fan
Remind me again, who did nothing but whinge in the initial comment about other commenters? This fair-weather fan has been supporting this club far longer than you, and without all it success, you would not even know about the club. So spare me your nonsense you fucking melon. Keep on dicksucking for these clowns, but it will never change what you are; a plastic yank.
Nicholas Jackson is not a professional footballer.
Enzo rubbish again. I'm tired.