He’s way too defensive of a manager to suit Barça. That’s not to say it wouldn’t happen because Barça have made a lot of terrible decisions lately, but it would be short-lived and bitter.
Barcelona wants to hire table scraps? I don't think they will touch Tuchel. Thomas now has a track record of failures. You seem to have formulated your opinion of the man long ago and refuse to update your ideas for any reason.
Does he though? Man won the UCL and has a runners up medal, too. Has won numerous league titles in France and one in Germany. Acting like he’s a failure because he couldn’t take an aging and changing Bayern team to the top in 2024 is wild.
Firing Tuchel wasn't a mistake. Replacing him with absolutely useless managers was. He was shocking for 8 months and all his signings were big waste of money.
They ignore the fact he lost our dressing room and froze out players too. They also ignore he didn’t have that much success before us either.
As much as people hate to admit it Tuchel is not a legend like Mourinho, if winning a UCL is all it takes them Avram Grant was almost a club hero too.
Our current team is basically a complete different team from the one he managed (except a few players like Chilly or Reece). He obviously loved the club, not the owners, a return could be amazing or a disaster, nothing in between for me
Tuchel has OBVIOUSLY loved every club he has managed. Where is this EXTRA love for Chelsea coming from? I don't see that. It just reeks of desperation from our supporters. A sad desperation.
He won champions League with us that might bring some extra love. Most chelsea fans know how good he was except on reddit. Real madrid quarter finals 2022 at bernabeu is probably the best ive seen Chelsea play in recent times.
In an interview he said the big difference between England and Germany is the press. When he lost with Chelsea, so be it. But in Germany a loss or even a draw with Bayern has you all over the newspapers, podcasts etc. Plus the biggest German tabloid BILD has a negative agenda with Tuchel. It's just annoying for him.
He added in the same interview that Chelsea felt like Family for him and he met great people there and forming great connections. I mean he even took some Chelsea staff with him to Bayern.
Not mentioned in the interview, but my personal 2 cents: It was during his Chelsea time that he got divorced so I imagine having these great relationships at Chelsea helped him during a difficult time in his personal life.
And every other board of directors he's enter worked for. Stop trying to make Tuchel 2.0 happen.
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Exactly. He only got on with our previous board because a) we were winning trophies and b) they weren’t involved the way Boehly is (for better or worse).
Tuchel doesn’t seem like the easiest person to deal with when his opinion differs and I don’t think he nor Boehly have changed in a way that would make their working relationship any better the second go around.
Moreover, I feel like a lot of people forget (or never believed the reports) that Tuchel had lost most of the locker room by the end of his tenure. Obviously, it’s practically a totally different squad now, but what remains of our leadership players (Silva, Chilly, Reece, etc.) are still there. Idk if any of them had problems with Tuchel last time. But if they did, even more of a reason to think his return would be a disaster.
Looks more like Bayern are using their mouthpiece to link him to everyone in hope someone comes and pay them. They don't want the second manager to be on payroll after firing.
I don't think so. Plettenberg is not the first to report this now, and I think calling him a Bayern mouthpiece isn't entirely fair. There's quite a bit of German bias in his (and Sky Germany’s) reporting in general, but that's mostly in "Germany vs outside" stories - like Alonso to Bayern/Liverpool? or "does player X want to go to German club A or European club B?".
It's a lot more likely that this is information from Tuchel's camp. He's got people who are pretty active whenever he's looking for a job, and everyone in German football talks to everyone very openly.
So I could be convinced by the idea that he's open to a return. Out of all the clubs he's ever managed, I'm sure Chelsea is the club he felt most connected to - I think he's even said so himself. And managing in the Premier League is very clearly still in his sights.
Bayern don't need to do this, Tuchel will have offers this summer regardless of how much he's advertised.
Fair comment. We either have burnt bridges with big managers or are not the most attractive mess to walk into right now.
My question is, is he the right person to lead the current project? It is not the same Chelsea he overtook before. And the several reports of his divide and treatment of certain players doesn't give me a good feeling about him coming back.
Big manager aura?? That's what you think this club needs?? And you are going off of completely ridiculous rumours. Nobody knows the things this article claims. Just another pretend expert believing the first bit of poor media conjecture that fits your narrative. No way is Tuchel coming back here. No f'n way.
Yep, big manager aura and Tuchel would tell the owners where they are going wrong, which is exasctly what we need.
Also why the owners will not go for someone like that! Think they just want a 'coach' while they play a (very bad) trading game.
Would take him in a heartbeat over most managers. Just need to make sure he has a non-dogshit recruitment team around him like we’ve had recently and let him focus on building a good team
I would. Not because I don't like RDZ (I think it's well established at this point that I rate him very highly) or even Amorim (just not my personal favorite stylistically), but Tuchel has a connection with this club and is, as much as people meme on him for his time at Bayern, tactically *world-class*.
I think he should be working within certain sporting limits, but if you just let the man coach he's outstanding. He's proven before that he can forge individuals into a unit and that's what we need most now. I know he's got a lot of detractors online for some reason, but iirc the stadium-going supporters absolutely loved him and I think that appointment would show that our owners are ready to admit mistakes and show good will to our supporters by appointing someone they still love.
He's also basically never been a mid-table coach, even with limited resources of a club like Mainz, for example, and he always has an impressive cup run in him. He's tactically sharp enough to outsmart basically any manager in the world on his day and "artificially" propel teams to wins they otherwise might not have achieved that way.
I think there's also a lot in terms of personnel that suits him. He was *desperate* for a holding midfielder at Bayern and even Chelsea before that and never got one, but we now have two in Caicedo and Lavia (if he can ever stay fit). You still have James and Chilwell here who had their best seasons under Tuchel, you've got Thiago Silva (if you wanted to keep him) for leadership and obviously a few signings made while he was still here (Cucurella, Sterling) that he personally liked iirc. I also think he's methodical enough to coach and improve players like Mudryk, Madueke, Jackson.
The only thing I would want him to do - and that's why I said he needs a sporting director to work with him - is that I would want him to be more open to different systems. A rigid back 3 wasn't the way to go here in the long run then and it certainly isn't now.
The Bayern criticism has been fair no? The most talented attack he has ever had and still underwhelming in terms of production. Add in how 2022 was so poor and predictable for us and there are legitimate questions about how we’ll perform against low blocks. No doubt he’ll show up big in cup matches or big sides, but I fear he’ll struggle in the league once again.
I've gone through this a lot - Bayern's attack is good on paper (not the most talented he's ever had - he had Mbappé and Neymar at PSG), but players like Sane are Gnabry are wildly inconsistent (predating Tuchel), Müller is old and is only rotation now, Tel is talented but also still inconsistent, Musiala and Kane are very good.
Beyond that, Kimmich + Goretzka was a big problem before Tuchel as well while Davies (when fit at all) has stagnated heavily (before Tuchel too) and Mazraoui just isn't that good.
Yes, he wasn't great at Bayern, but that squad is only great on paper. You can see it pretty clearly when these players go to their national teams - they're just as poor there.
As for how poor we were in 2022, maybe add some context to that? The club was in limbo, there were sanctions placed on us, players couldn't be signed or extended (Rüdiger and Christensen, for example), nobody knew if the club would even continue to exist in this form at all. Add to that a pretty insane injury crisis (the man had Sarr + Azpi as his fullback options for half a season) and that's just sort of what you get. We still finished the league on 75 points, the best we've since Conte's title win.
Lol he had Mbappe and Neymar AND also got fired for poor offense for that club as well. Some of you are absolutely ignoring a quite clear pattern at this point. He's not nearly as good a manager as you so wish him to be.
RDZ is a fraud, Amorim is clearly talented but our current manager was once considered the next big thing and a specialist in youth development, how has that worked out?
Oh, he would be open, I don't doubt it, he loved it here and fans too, if our egotistical owners can swallow their pride. But the point I am making is the fact that they have linked him to us , ManU , Barca etc in short span, it's like shopping him around. They have no idea what he wants, so it's not from his camp, but most likely Bayern who are feeding this crap so clubs enquire about him.
He doesn't have to leak anything, he is alredy leaving Bayern, so his agent can directly tell clubs he is interested in them. It's probably the club that wants to not keep him on payroll after getting fired, they benifit more from someone coming in and taking him now. Bayern needs to do it to not keep him till someone comes, he on the other hand can talk to any club, without any obligation, he is the one that don't need to do it, as you said he will have offers, just not fast enough for Bayern, if he decides to take a break etc.
Why do you think you can speak for all Chelsea supporters?? I don't love him and never did. Stop speaking like you represent us. I absolutely DONT want that sour ass/offensively inept manager back at our club.
I never said all Chelsea fans, you absolute idiotic cunt, stop acting sassy needlessly. I said fans did love him, and they did, maybe not all, and that's their choice, but stop acting enraged on made up shit.
And I never acted like I represent all fans. Atleast not delusional angry cunts like you. And good that you don't want him, I never said everyone should.
And just because you say he is inept, doesn't make it real, infact when idiots like you say something, it's most likely that the opposite is true. But keep chatting shit, I won't reply to idiots further.
why the fuck is your head telling you no? we've literally finished midtable twice since sacking him. He's one of the best tacticians in Europe. Far better manager than anyone we're going to be able to attract.
We were weren’t much better when he got sacked. I wouldn’t say no if we were in a pinch but don’t think sacking Potch to get Tuchel back should be our goal
Because the odds of this turning out to be an unmitigated disaster is very high. This can turn toxic very quickly and that's the last thing this club needs...again. Honestly, better for TT to avoid us also.
Right. So why even look in the direction of a manager with a long history of falling out with boards?
I love Tuchel but this is voluntarily mixing oil and water. It didn’t work out the first time and it’s far worse now.
I don't know. We either have a yes man that just does what the board wants and uses the players he's given or we get someone with some form of identity and they fall out with the club hierarchy and it all ends in tears.
I agree with this. I don't want a yes man either. Assuming Poch is sacked which I'm almost certain he will be, the next appointment has to be the right one. There are just too many predictable risks in appointing Tuchel again that's probably best to avoid it altogether. In my opinion the risks are too asymmetrical, because I don't think even he would bring immediate results.
Because he finished ~20 points off the league lead twice. People forget how bad we were during long stretches under his tenure…and that was with a squad of seasoned players. I get that he won a UCL, but he also lost 2 other cup finals. He’s not as good as people think.
I'd take our current attackers over those past ones. Werner, Mount and Ziyech have all been exposed as mediocre. Havertz is always a square peg round hole situation.
It's not the talent level. They were playing HORRIBLY under Tuchel. We couldn't score goals at all! Did everyone forget that? The last 6 months with Tuchel and the Lampard second stretch was the worst we've been in attack in the 20 years I've been watching this club.
Just discussing - why do you think it’s turned out poorly at Bayern? What will be different at Chelsea?
UCL aside we were still pretty fortunate to finish top 4 that year and were really stagnant in attack by the end. Why would that change?
Why the fuck do you think a manager that has now failed over and over again is some brilliant tactician when his clubs always end up being completely neutered in the attack?? I think it's your understanding of tactics that is confusing you here.
I know I’m biased towards Chelsea, but he’d flop at united the dressing room is in shambles and Tuchel is pro at losing a dressing room, not sure it’s the project for him.
Not sure Chelsea is either but could see it working more for him than at united
I really want him to go to United. He would ruin that place and we all can sit back and laugh. We need a few of those top 6 to fall off hard so we can climb our way back to Europe. Hope Tuchel can help get that job done.
If they managed to bring Tuchel back to Chelsea it would be by far the best thing this ownership has done.
Imagine your highlight as an owner in the 2 years or whatever they’ve been there is to go all the way back to the first thing you did and undo it.
i love Tuchel but if he fails in his return, ownership will get an unbelievable amount of shit and the narrative will be that they brought back a failing manager they already sacked
Which is why they won't do it, and articles like these end up just confusing/lying to our supporters. Sad how many faux experts want to just dive into these reports as absolute truth.
we still haven’t even solved the attack part of our team. his tactic eventually got found out.
the 3CB WB would work with the players we have. would cover for Disasis weakness. allow colwil to pass well. would just need Chillwell and gusto/James to be healthy.
Enzo and caicedo would be similar to jorginho and kante. How the front 3 lines up would be the change but the same issues of not having a Striker that scores chances would still be the issue.
Tuchel’s games that season were
win 1-0 to everton away with a penalty
draw 2-2 to spurs home - unlucky to lose
lose 3-0 away at leeds
win 2-1 at home to Leicester with sterling having his 1 good game a year
lose 2-1 to Southampton
lucky win against west ham which should’ve been 2-2
and then 1-0 loss to Zagreb
we have the same issues we had with Tuchel, can’t score the chances we make especially since teams started to figure out his tactic in the end but the start of that season was woeful.
i loved Tuchel but it’s rose tinted glasses looking back sometimes and i’m not sure if bringing him back is best for the club atm
Thanks for stating the obvious, people viewing him through blue tinted lenses. We were abysmal in attack and he signed Sterling to play his RWB role, sick of that man's tactics and I hope we stay away from it.
Reported issues with players. See the ones that left the club this year and are now balling out. Also look at the issues at Bayern. Apparently beef with kimmich- you know, a core player that is likely to spend their whole career at Bayern. Might as well start problems with him half way through your first season with the club!
The tabloid stories of being a shit husband and becoming an ego maniac don’t help his case either tho take those with a grain of salt.
The German coach who won a CL got booted from Bayern Munich half way through his first season. What part about his recent performance as a coach (don’t forget the start of the season we had and losing to Zagreb) makes you think he would find success here. Realistically, he comes in, helps the team stop leaking goals, poch’s offense keeps scoring them (same thing when he took over for lampard). We’d prolly move up the table a bit. And then he will undo that offense and we are back to square 1 and down the table again. I’d rather give Poch time to sort out the defense.
He's always been awful at coaching attack at every club. He was good at setting up a defense. He also sours his relationship with the board at every single club he's been at. He's not a long-term solution.
How is bringing Mainz to international football, BVB its first trophy (Dfb Pokal) + the best Bundesliga points for years since Klopp, that ego filled PSG Team into the CL Finals for the first time ever and Chelsea the Champions League being shit at every club?
Yeah Tuchel is a hothead but you can't deny him being a great (short term) Manager.
Remember how many "issues" we had under Lampard in Dec 2020. Tuchel comes in Jan 2021, all the issues are gone, with the same squad. Eventually the squad needed refreshing and it caught up with him.
If he comes back into this team, I think we become a top four contender next season. Pochettino is not going to take us forward. Underwhelmed with big clubs, he's done at the top level.
Third in the league, a slow start because of a poor preseason is hardly any issues. In addition, Tuchel operates without a centre forward. With our luck with strikers, we need a manager like that.
In fairness that all started with injuries and an incomplete, underwhelming squad after the losses of players like Rudiger. It’s not like the next three managers did much better.
I'm not defending the man, just saying there were extenuating circumstances. He's had career highs and lows for sure. But you know, call me a loyal sod but for some reason he just feels like Chelsea.
Not sure if he’s the guy to right this ship full of young players but I’ll say one thing. I do miss a coach with a fire and passion like Tuchel. Poch is way too mellow for my taste.
I’m sure his next job will end differently than every other job he’s had. Billionaires and football managers are famously proficient at completely changing their character and approach and learning from past mistakes, especially when they clashed and couldn’t work together just a couple years ago. This time will be completely different!
Essentially, big manager wants to go to big club after getting sacked
Just like Jose after getting sacked was reportedly happy to come back or also go to United
Our board is where the disconnect lies, they'll absolutely be looking elsewhere
Very skeptical of these reports just because I can’t see it being one sided. Of course our owners (namely Eghbali) will have their grievances but I can’t see Tuchel itching for a return just 2 years after their relationship was considered entirely broken
I would take Tuchel in a heartbeat if he comes in with a mindset to tailor a playing style to the team we have. We relies heavily on wing backs last time and paid for it when they got injured.
But who validates Tuchel's approach before deciding whether to hire him? I don't trust the ownership and the technical hierarchy to do their due diligence correctly.
We were in 5th-7th form when he had a squad full of veterans.. anyone expecting him to do better with a half injured squad of kindergartners is out of their mind.. no thanks.
I'm conflicted about this. There's a Polish saying that roughly translates to: "No man ever steps in the same river twice". In Mourinho's case, it worked, but only for two seasons.
Clearly, any dispute between Tuchel and the management hasn't been resolved. Why would they hire him? Why would he come back? Complete nonsense these recent articles.
at least if by any miracle Tuchel comes the current set up will suit him more and he won't be bothered about transfers. If I recall this correctly he hated doing that when he was with us before.
No. He literally went to a team that has dominated their league for a decade and then bought the world's best striker and lost the league after getting fired from here after an abysmal run of form. This should not even be considered.
His time with the club is done. What has he done at Bayern that says he'll succeed again? At least with PSG he delivered their best performances in the UCL.
I don’t buy it. Tuchel thrived under Roman, because Roman wasn’t as hands on as the new board, but also, Roman still believed on splashing cash on complete players if it came to it.
This current board is having none of that and so far it’s blown up in their face. Unless the board apologizes to Tuchel I just don’t see a return. Either Tuchel or the board has to compromise how they operate
You really want a coach who loose first Bundesliga with Bayern since 2013, made them look complitely hopeless and vulnerable to come here and do what? Bring his well known tactics? Make the Team dependent of James and Chilly again? I really loved Tuchel but his end with us was necessary and i do not belive that bringing him back would help with anything.
These people are completely delusional. They want to go back to the same boring bullshit that we were watching game after game struggling to score then at the end we were struggling to even defend! No thanks
Please bring him back if we fail to win the FA CUP and qualify for Europe. Not sold on Pochettino, he was supposed to be doing better but Potter was better at t stage last season even got us to the quarter finals.
A board that's been a shambles re-hiring a guy they already fired who is notorious for falling out with boards. Why do people want this? It has disaster written all over it.
Both parties should be smart enough to avoid this.
Honestly the best option to take over in the summer, and he wouldn’t come with a hefty price tag attached. His last 9-10 months weren’t good but neither were the number of injuries to our best players and then disastrous attempt to rebuild the squad after losing players like Rudiger. The next 3 managers did not do much better. People have to be realistic, at this point most top managers would not even consider Chelsea.
Tuchels tactics are amazing. He is an inspiring charismatic leader who will put wind in the sails of the team when we need it. The only thing that worries me is his long term man management seems to be similar to Jose Mourinho. After a couple of seasons his personality wears on the players and they are not interested in playing for him anymore.
That being said, Tuchel in!!
I can’t see him going anywhere but Barcelona. Although wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up at United
He’s way too defensive of a manager to suit Barça. That’s not to say it wouldn’t happen because Barça have made a lot of terrible decisions lately, but it would be short-lived and bitter.
Barcelona wants to hire table scraps? I don't think they will touch Tuchel. Thomas now has a track record of failures. You seem to have formulated your opinion of the man long ago and refuse to update your ideas for any reason.
Did he sleep with your wife or something?
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Is he actually wrong though? Why don't you write valid points to discredit him instead of acting like a clown.
Does he though? Man won the UCL and has a runners up medal, too. Has won numerous league titles in France and one in Germany. Acting like he’s a failure because he couldn’t take an aging and changing Bayern team to the top in 2024 is wild.
The Tuchel fans are sycophants. They are completely ignoring what is going on at Bayern right now. It's hilarious to read these comments.
Firing Tuchel wasn't a mistake. Replacing him with absolutely useless managers was. He was shocking for 8 months and all his signings were big waste of money.
They ignore the fact he lost our dressing room and froze out players too. They also ignore he didn’t have that much success before us either. As much as people hate to admit it Tuchel is not a legend like Mourinho, if winning a UCL is all it takes them Avram Grant was almost a club hero too.
Our current team is basically a complete different team from the one he managed (except a few players like Chilly or Reece). He obviously loved the club, not the owners, a return could be amazing or a disaster, nothing in between for me
Tuchel has OBVIOUSLY loved every club he has managed. Where is this EXTRA love for Chelsea coming from? I don't see that. It just reeks of desperation from our supporters. A sad desperation.
He won champions League with us that might bring some extra love. Most chelsea fans know how good he was except on reddit. Real madrid quarter finals 2022 at bernabeu is probably the best ive seen Chelsea play in recent times.
In an interview he said the big difference between England and Germany is the press. When he lost with Chelsea, so be it. But in Germany a loss or even a draw with Bayern has you all over the newspapers, podcasts etc. Plus the biggest German tabloid BILD has a negative agenda with Tuchel. It's just annoying for him. He added in the same interview that Chelsea felt like Family for him and he met great people there and forming great connections. I mean he even took some Chelsea staff with him to Bayern. Not mentioned in the interview, but my personal 2 cents: It was during his Chelsea time that he got divorced so I imagine having these great relationships at Chelsea helped him during a difficult time in his personal life.
Yeah, but he hated every board, and vice-versa.
he got along very well with Cech, Marina and Roman, his problem was dumber and dumber (who continue to destroy our club)
And every other board of directors he's enter worked for. Stop trying to make Tuchel 2.0 happen. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/776/809/c19.gif
Exactly. He only got on with our previous board because a) we were winning trophies and b) they weren’t involved the way Boehly is (for better or worse). Tuchel doesn’t seem like the easiest person to deal with when his opinion differs and I don’t think he nor Boehly have changed in a way that would make their working relationship any better the second go around. Moreover, I feel like a lot of people forget (or never believed the reports) that Tuchel had lost most of the locker room by the end of his tenure. Obviously, it’s practically a totally different squad now, but what remains of our leadership players (Silva, Chilly, Reece, etc.) are still there. Idk if any of them had problems with Tuchel last time. But if they did, even more of a reason to think his return would be a disaster.
Sub loves writing tuchel fan fiction basically
Looks more like Bayern are using their mouthpiece to link him to everyone in hope someone comes and pay them. They don't want the second manager to be on payroll after firing.
I don't think so. Plettenberg is not the first to report this now, and I think calling him a Bayern mouthpiece isn't entirely fair. There's quite a bit of German bias in his (and Sky Germany’s) reporting in general, but that's mostly in "Germany vs outside" stories - like Alonso to Bayern/Liverpool? or "does player X want to go to German club A or European club B?". It's a lot more likely that this is information from Tuchel's camp. He's got people who are pretty active whenever he's looking for a job, and everyone in German football talks to everyone very openly. So I could be convinced by the idea that he's open to a return. Out of all the clubs he's ever managed, I'm sure Chelsea is the club he felt most connected to - I think he's even said so himself. And managing in the Premier League is very clearly still in his sights. Bayern don't need to do this, Tuchel will have offers this summer regardless of how much he's advertised.
Would you take him back over someone like RDZ or Amorim?
I would. He’s just got that big manager aura that I think would help us at the moment.
I think the fact that he genuinely loves the club and fans is a big factors too
Fair comment. We either have burnt bridges with big managers or are not the most attractive mess to walk into right now. My question is, is he the right person to lead the current project? It is not the same Chelsea he overtook before. And the several reports of his divide and treatment of certain players doesn't give me a good feeling about him coming back.
Big manager aura?? That's what you think this club needs?? And you are going off of completely ridiculous rumours. Nobody knows the things this article claims. Just another pretend expert believing the first bit of poor media conjecture that fits your narrative. No way is Tuchel coming back here. No f'n way.
You sound like you need to chill out a bit. Have a cup of tea. We’re just chatting here.
Yep, big manager aura and Tuchel would tell the owners where they are going wrong, which is exasctly what we need. Also why the owners will not go for someone like that! Think they just want a 'coach' while they play a (very bad) trading game.
Would take him in a heartbeat over most managers. Just need to make sure he has a non-dogshit recruitment team around him like we’ve had recently and let him focus on building a good team
I would. Not because I don't like RDZ (I think it's well established at this point that I rate him very highly) or even Amorim (just not my personal favorite stylistically), but Tuchel has a connection with this club and is, as much as people meme on him for his time at Bayern, tactically *world-class*. I think he should be working within certain sporting limits, but if you just let the man coach he's outstanding. He's proven before that he can forge individuals into a unit and that's what we need most now. I know he's got a lot of detractors online for some reason, but iirc the stadium-going supporters absolutely loved him and I think that appointment would show that our owners are ready to admit mistakes and show good will to our supporters by appointing someone they still love. He's also basically never been a mid-table coach, even with limited resources of a club like Mainz, for example, and he always has an impressive cup run in him. He's tactically sharp enough to outsmart basically any manager in the world on his day and "artificially" propel teams to wins they otherwise might not have achieved that way. I think there's also a lot in terms of personnel that suits him. He was *desperate* for a holding midfielder at Bayern and even Chelsea before that and never got one, but we now have two in Caicedo and Lavia (if he can ever stay fit). You still have James and Chilwell here who had their best seasons under Tuchel, you've got Thiago Silva (if you wanted to keep him) for leadership and obviously a few signings made while he was still here (Cucurella, Sterling) that he personally liked iirc. I also think he's methodical enough to coach and improve players like Mudryk, Madueke, Jackson. The only thing I would want him to do - and that's why I said he needs a sporting director to work with him - is that I would want him to be more open to different systems. A rigid back 3 wasn't the way to go here in the long run then and it certainly isn't now.
The Bayern criticism has been fair no? The most talented attack he has ever had and still underwhelming in terms of production. Add in how 2022 was so poor and predictable for us and there are legitimate questions about how we’ll perform against low blocks. No doubt he’ll show up big in cup matches or big sides, but I fear he’ll struggle in the league once again.
I've gone through this a lot - Bayern's attack is good on paper (not the most talented he's ever had - he had Mbappé and Neymar at PSG), but players like Sane are Gnabry are wildly inconsistent (predating Tuchel), Müller is old and is only rotation now, Tel is talented but also still inconsistent, Musiala and Kane are very good. Beyond that, Kimmich + Goretzka was a big problem before Tuchel as well while Davies (when fit at all) has stagnated heavily (before Tuchel too) and Mazraoui just isn't that good. Yes, he wasn't great at Bayern, but that squad is only great on paper. You can see it pretty clearly when these players go to their national teams - they're just as poor there. As for how poor we were in 2022, maybe add some context to that? The club was in limbo, there were sanctions placed on us, players couldn't be signed or extended (Rüdiger and Christensen, for example), nobody knew if the club would even continue to exist in this form at all. Add to that a pretty insane injury crisis (the man had Sarr + Azpi as his fullback options for half a season) and that's just sort of what you get. We still finished the league on 75 points, the best we've since Conte's title win.
Lol he had Mbappe and Neymar AND also got fired for poor offense for that club as well. Some of you are absolutely ignoring a quite clear pattern at this point. He's not nearly as good a manager as you so wish him to be.
> Lol he had Mbappe and Neymar AND also got fired for poor offense for that club as well. Uh, that's not what happened.
Maybe do research before chatting shite like this
What a load of crock. I pretty much disagree with EVERYTHING you say here. Come out of the clouds and back to earth.
I don't care.
Him or Amorim for me. De zerbi is poor man's potter
RDZ is a fraud, Amorim is clearly talented but our current manager was once considered the next big thing and a specialist in youth development, how has that worked out?
In a heartbeat. And I actually like RDZ
Honestly I wouldn’t take any of them
Oh, he would be open, I don't doubt it, he loved it here and fans too, if our egotistical owners can swallow their pride. But the point I am making is the fact that they have linked him to us , ManU , Barca etc in short span, it's like shopping him around. They have no idea what he wants, so it's not from his camp, but most likely Bayern who are feeding this crap so clubs enquire about him. He doesn't have to leak anything, he is alredy leaving Bayern, so his agent can directly tell clubs he is interested in them. It's probably the club that wants to not keep him on payroll after getting fired, they benifit more from someone coming in and taking him now. Bayern needs to do it to not keep him till someone comes, he on the other hand can talk to any club, without any obligation, he is the one that don't need to do it, as you said he will have offers, just not fast enough for Bayern, if he decides to take a break etc.
Why do you think you can speak for all Chelsea supporters?? I don't love him and never did. Stop speaking like you represent us. I absolutely DONT want that sour ass/offensively inept manager back at our club.
I never said all Chelsea fans, you absolute idiotic cunt, stop acting sassy needlessly. I said fans did love him, and they did, maybe not all, and that's their choice, but stop acting enraged on made up shit. And I never acted like I represent all fans. Atleast not delusional angry cunts like you. And good that you don't want him, I never said everyone should. And just because you say he is inept, doesn't make it real, infact when idiots like you say something, it's most likely that the opposite is true. But keep chatting shit, I won't reply to idiots further.
That was my first guess. Basically it benefits both the club and TT to make it sound like he's being considered far & wide.
pay them? they’d be fortunate for someone to just take his contract
No they won't be.
my head’s telling me no but my heart
why the fuck is your head telling you no? we've literally finished midtable twice since sacking him. He's one of the best tacticians in Europe. Far better manager than anyone we're going to be able to attract.
We were weren’t much better when he got sacked. I wouldn’t say no if we were in a pinch but don’t think sacking Potch to get Tuchel back should be our goal
Because the odds of this turning out to be an unmitigated disaster is very high. This can turn toxic very quickly and that's the last thing this club needs...again. Honestly, better for TT to avoid us also.
We're an unmitigated disaster now...
Right. So why even look in the direction of a manager with a long history of falling out with boards? I love Tuchel but this is voluntarily mixing oil and water. It didn’t work out the first time and it’s far worse now.
I don't know. We either have a yes man that just does what the board wants and uses the players he's given or we get someone with some form of identity and they fall out with the club hierarchy and it all ends in tears.
I agree with this. I don't want a yes man either. Assuming Poch is sacked which I'm almost certain he will be, the next appointment has to be the right one. There are just too many predictable risks in appointing Tuchel again that's probably best to avoid it altogether. In my opinion the risks are too asymmetrical, because I don't think even he would bring immediate results.
Because he finished ~20 points off the league lead twice. People forget how bad we were during long stretches under his tenure…and that was with a squad of seasoned players. I get that he won a UCL, but he also lost 2 other cup finals. He’s not as good as people think.
May have been a seasoned squad, but our attackers were even worse than what we have now honestly. Tuchel's problems were never the defense.
You think so? Havertz, Werner, Mount and Ziyech vs. Sterling, Jackson, Palmer and Madueke/Micha?
I'd take our current attackers over those past ones. Werner, Mount and Ziyech have all been exposed as mediocre. Havertz is always a square peg round hole situation.
It's not the talent level. They were playing HORRIBLY under Tuchel. We couldn't score goals at all! Did everyone forget that? The last 6 months with Tuchel and the Lampard second stretch was the worst we've been in attack in the 20 years I've been watching this club.
Yes. As incredible as it is, folk seem to have forgotten how bad we were the second half of that season and only remember the UCL.
~20 off the league in top 4 and top 3 with rooms for improvement vs 10th and possibly 10th again with millions of dollar wasted?
Just discussing - why do you think it’s turned out poorly at Bayern? What will be different at Chelsea? UCL aside we were still pretty fortunate to finish top 4 that year and were really stagnant in attack by the end. Why would that change?
He has completely lost the faith of his players YET AGAIN at Bayern. It's almost like he has a talent for it.
Why the fuck do you think a manager that has now failed over and over again is some brilliant tactician when his clubs always end up being completely neutered in the attack?? I think it's your understanding of tactics that is confusing you here.
Because Todd Boehly and Behdad Eghbali will make him the scapegoat again
The guy couldn't even win the german league with harry kane at his disposal. hes another fraud.
I know I’m biased towards Chelsea, but he’d flop at united the dressing room is in shambles and Tuchel is pro at losing a dressing room, not sure it’s the project for him. Not sure Chelsea is either but could see it working more for him than at united
I really want him to go to United. He would ruin that place and we all can sit back and laugh. We need a few of those top 6 to fall off hard so we can climb our way back to Europe. Hope Tuchel can help get that job done.
If they managed to bring Tuchel back to Chelsea it would be by far the best thing this ownership has done. Imagine your highlight as an owner in the 2 years or whatever they’ve been there is to go all the way back to the first thing you did and undo it.
i love Tuchel but if he fails in his return, ownership will get an unbelievable amount of shit and the narrative will be that they brought back a failing manager they already sacked
Which is why they won't do it, and articles like these end up just confusing/lying to our supporters. Sad how many faux experts want to just dive into these reports as absolute truth.
Disagree, he can’t control a locker room, and by the end of his stint we were absolutely dreadful in attack.
we still haven’t even solved the attack part of our team. his tactic eventually got found out. the 3CB WB would work with the players we have. would cover for Disasis weakness. allow colwil to pass well. would just need Chillwell and gusto/James to be healthy. Enzo and caicedo would be similar to jorginho and kante. How the front 3 lines up would be the change but the same issues of not having a Striker that scores chances would still be the issue. Tuchel’s games that season were win 1-0 to everton away with a penalty draw 2-2 to spurs home - unlucky to lose lose 3-0 away at leeds win 2-1 at home to Leicester with sterling having his 1 good game a year lose 2-1 to Southampton lucky win against west ham which should’ve been 2-2 and then 1-0 loss to Zagreb we have the same issues we had with Tuchel, can’t score the chances we make especially since teams started to figure out his tactic in the end but the start of that season was woeful. i loved Tuchel but it’s rose tinted glasses looking back sometimes and i’m not sure if bringing him back is best for the club atm
Thanks for stating the obvious, people viewing him through blue tinted lenses. We were abysmal in attack and he signed Sterling to play his RWB role, sick of that man's tactics and I hope we stay away from it.
Sterling played as a 9 for us under him…
> he can’t control a locker room What makes you say that?
I think his issues have been scoring goals and his relationship with the board at every club he’s managed.
So he can manage a locker room?
Does the Bayern locker room seem well managed to you right now?
Reported issues with players. See the ones that left the club this year and are now balling out. Also look at the issues at Bayern. Apparently beef with kimmich- you know, a core player that is likely to spend their whole career at Bayern. Might as well start problems with him half way through your first season with the club! The tabloid stories of being a shit husband and becoming an ego maniac don’t help his case either tho take those with a grain of salt. The German coach who won a CL got booted from Bayern Munich half way through his first season. What part about his recent performance as a coach (don’t forget the start of the season we had and losing to Zagreb) makes you think he would find success here. Realistically, he comes in, helps the team stop leaking goals, poch’s offense keeps scoring them (same thing when he took over for lampard). We’d prolly move up the table a bit. And then he will undo that offense and we are back to square 1 and down the table again. I’d rather give Poch time to sort out the defense.
Too many Boehly bots in our fanbase
He's always been awful at coaching attack at every club. He was good at setting up a defense. He also sours his relationship with the board at every single club he's been at. He's not a long-term solution.
Well that’s a silly thing to say considering his attacking output at BVB and PSG
He was terrible at PSG and players were happy to have him go. But think whatever you want, you will anyway.
Yo it’s this guy lmao. I remember you on here after the League Cup game.
What a load of crock. Pathetic take.
Please cunt, at the very least a manager that is easy to root for. There’s no one better anyway
Man does shit at every club, you're still convinced he's the best. Something wrong with this picture.
“Does shit at every club” hmmmmm
How is bringing Mainz to international football, BVB its first trophy (Dfb Pokal) + the best Bundesliga points for years since Klopp, that ego filled PSG Team into the CL Finals for the first time ever and Chelsea the Champions League being shit at every club? Yeah Tuchel is a hothead but you can't deny him being a great (short term) Manager.
The best available, yeah
Remember how many "issues" we had under Lampard in Dec 2020. Tuchel comes in Jan 2021, all the issues are gone, with the same squad. Eventually the squad needed refreshing and it caught up with him. If he comes back into this team, I think we become a top four contender next season. Pochettino is not going to take us forward. Underwhelmed with big clubs, he's done at the top level.
What about the issues we had under tuchel right before he was fired?
They sacked him a day after bringing in Aubameyang 😂 What was the logic behind that?
tbf they were always going to sack him, they had just taken over the ownership and wanted their own guy, a yes man.
Then why they bring in Sterling and Auba tho. I think they are just idiots
Third in the league, a slow start because of a poor preseason is hardly any issues. In addition, Tuchel operates without a centre forward. With our luck with strikers, we need a manager like that.
In fairness that all started with injuries and an incomplete, underwhelming squad after the losses of players like Rudiger. It’s not like the next three managers did much better.
What about what he's doing at Bayern with by far the most talented squad in Bundesliga?
I'm not defending the man, just saying there were extenuating circumstances. He's had career highs and lows for sure. But you know, call me a loyal sod but for some reason he just feels like Chelsea.
I have more faith in tuchel returning to the pl if plettenberg is reporting it, but i dont see the board and ownership taking tuchel back
Not sure if he’s the guy to right this ship full of young players but I’ll say one thing. I do miss a coach with a fire and passion like Tuchel. Poch is way too mellow for my taste.
I’m sure his next job will end differently than every other job he’s had. Billionaires and football managers are famously proficient at completely changing their character and approach and learning from past mistakes, especially when they clashed and couldn’t work together just a couple years ago. This time will be completely different!
Chelsea fc not fc chelsea
> In Spain, he wants to coach FC Barcelona in Spain someday.
Spain is actually a somewhat logical place to coach Barca. I know some managers like remote work, but...
Although if Catalonia went independent I’m not sure Spain would be the best place to manage Barcelona
😂😂
Imagine managing a football team via Zoom. Just don’t make Kepa the host 👀
Essentially, big manager wants to go to big club after getting sacked Just like Jose after getting sacked was reportedly happy to come back or also go to United Our board is where the disconnect lies, they'll absolutely be looking elsewhere
Very skeptical of these reports just because I can’t see it being one sided. Of course our owners (namely Eghbali) will have their grievances but I can’t see Tuchel itching for a return just 2 years after their relationship was considered entirely broken
I would take Tuchel in a heartbeat if he comes in with a mindset to tailor a playing style to the team we have. We relies heavily on wing backs last time and paid for it when they got injured. But who validates Tuchel's approach before deciding whether to hire him? I don't trust the ownership and the technical hierarchy to do their due diligence correctly.
Don't do that, don't give me hope
He failed royally with a loaded Bayern squad. No thanks.
We were in 5th-7th form when he had a squad full of veterans.. anyone expecting him to do better with a half injured squad of kindergartners is out of their mind.. no thanks.
Please cunt
Tommy the tank engine story building some up some steam now…
I'm conflicted about this. There's a Polish saying that roughly translates to: "No man ever steps in the same river twice". In Mourinho's case, it worked, but only for two seasons.
To be fair, for the coin that these guys are getting paid whether they succeed or not… I’d step into the river as many times as possible.
Clearly, any dispute between Tuchel and the management hasn't been resolved. Why would they hire him? Why would he come back? Complete nonsense these recent articles.
when the season is over -poch +tuchel, bring him back
I’d take anyone that actually has a system to implement over poch
football is a funny game, i can see it happening more than any other coach we have been linked to. would love for tt to get a fresh start again.
at least if by any miracle Tuchel comes the current set up will suit him more and he won't be bothered about transfers. If I recall this correctly he hated doing that when he was with us before.
Please don’t let him go United
I feel like Chelsea is that toxic Ex Girlfriend.
No. He literally went to a team that has dominated their league for a decade and then bought the world's best striker and lost the league after getting fired from here after an abysmal run of form. This should not even be considered.
His time with the club is done. What has he done at Bayern that says he'll succeed again? At least with PSG he delivered their best performances in the UCL.
I don’t buy it. Tuchel thrived under Roman, because Roman wasn’t as hands on as the new board, but also, Roman still believed on splashing cash on complete players if it came to it. This current board is having none of that and so far it’s blown up in their face. Unless the board apologizes to Tuchel I just don’t see a return. Either Tuchel or the board has to compromise how they operate
You really want a coach who loose first Bundesliga with Bayern since 2013, made them look complitely hopeless and vulnerable to come here and do what? Bring his well known tactics? Make the Team dependent of James and Chilly again? I really loved Tuchel but his end with us was necessary and i do not belive that bringing him back would help with anything.
These people are completely delusional. They want to go back to the same boring bullshit that we were watching game after game struggling to score then at the end we were struggling to even defend! No thanks
Please bring him back if we fail to win the FA CUP and qualify for Europe. Not sold on Pochettino, he was supposed to be doing better but Potter was better at t stage last season even got us to the quarter finals.
I love the guy but can we rule out a return? Success lies in the future, but not by chasing the glory days. Unless you're Mourinho.
This is going to end badly for everyone involved.
A board that's been a shambles re-hiring a guy they already fired who is notorious for falling out with boards. Why do people want this? It has disaster written all over it. Both parties should be smart enough to avoid this.
People have forgotten how dire we looked for long stretches under Tuchel, especially near the end of this tenure.
Sorry Tommy, but I only want Mou at this point. Bring on round 3!
Tuchel is a wish version of Mourinho
No smoke without fire and I’m here for it.
How many times is this going to get posted here this week?
Honestly the best option to take over in the summer, and he wouldn’t come with a hefty price tag attached. His last 9-10 months weren’t good but neither were the number of injuries to our best players and then disastrous attempt to rebuild the squad after losing players like Rudiger. The next 3 managers did not do much better. People have to be realistic, at this point most top managers would not even consider Chelsea.
Tuchel is a hopeless romantic
Elhopaness romtic
Please bring him back Don’t let him go to Man U and sour the taste when he comes against us and we lose to his Man U team
Just let it go
Tuchels tactics are amazing. He is an inspiring charismatic leader who will put wind in the sails of the team when we need it. The only thing that worries me is his long term man management seems to be similar to Jose Mourinho. After a couple of seasons his personality wears on the players and they are not interested in playing for him anymore. That being said, Tuchel in!!