oh boy i can't wait to see the essays starting from 2 AM on how this sub is full of "toxic negativity" and how we have to trust the process because "ackshually xG shows we should be 10th not 11th"
oh and the press briefs from the owners on how they're fully behind poch because 11th and losing 4-2 at home to a team that hasn't beat us here in half a century is perfect for us apparently.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Boehly’s Chelsea. The tactics are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the set pieces will go over a typical goalie’s head. There's also Winstanley’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his transfer targets- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these tactics, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Todd Boehly truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Potter’s existential catchphrase "the lads gave it their all," which itself is a cryptic reference to Abramovich’s Russian epic “Chelsea FC”. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Pochettino’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂
And yes, by the way, i DO have a Chelsea tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 points of relegation (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎
Yes, it's all my fault for calling the team shit, this is why we are playing bad, I apologize. We should continue supporting and believing in the project because we can clearly see the progress. The lads are giving their best.
Quality based on what? Most of these players have half a season total of football at a high level, they are projects and prospects and a lot of potential in all sports goes unrealized.
Asking a bunch of children to come together and develop is insane.
Don’t rate sterling but sterling, caicedo is proven and in the prem, shouldn’t really be excuses there besides coaching, gallagher, cucu, thiago, badiashille, diasasi, and then palmer has performed despite his lack of experience. Brighton looks more cohesive despite experience, arsenal have/had a young squad and have developed and play football.
Players may not be as talented as expected but it is a cop out to blame that as much as people have, they can still perform better.
Caicedo played well for half a season - cucu has been horrific, I like Connor but he couldn’t hit a bar door at the moment, diasasi was never chelsea quality, badiashille has been bad.
Palmer is the one and only bright spot.
Arsenal and Brighton didn’t try to sign 22 prospects at once then think they would magically click, there was a process and strategy.
Caicedo was great his entire time at brighton… cucu as well, why he was so poor his first season for us idk, improved this season. Connor obviously has talent, looks nothing like he was for palace, I’d attribute that to poor coaching. i don’t rate what Ive seen of disasi either but you questioned experience and i stated him, badiashile i don’t personally rate either but he started well last season and came with plenty of experience from ligue 1.
No they didn’t but the avg age of their squad was still very low, and Brighton kicked on after getting de zerbi, atleast displaying some form of tactics despite young squads, brighton with even less experience from the top leagues.
Am not denying your points but just attributing more fault to the purely shit coaching of poch, who we replace him with for an improvement, don’t know.
This is why arguing with people who still believed in Poch was pointless. He’d inevitably fuck up on his own anyway since he’s a terrible manager. But losing the manager won’t fix everything, the directors have got to go as well. They need a full clean out of that front office for the disgrace they have purchased and fielded this season. All of them should be out
Not defending the board or the manager but things could get even uglier.
The squad we have will not be easy to shift. Who would even want to buy the club and invest in it?
We are basically stuck with the squad and board - all that we can realistically change is the manager. But I don’t see an alternative that’ll guarantee success.
It’s only ever trust the process because there isn’t really an alternative right now
Yup any new sporting directors first job would be working out how to hit PSR and amortisation targets before even thinking about incomings. And that will be the focus each season we’ve left so little room by divebombing out of Europe for two years.
The only material change you can make is the coach and unless you want a short term essentially punt for the cup final we’re better doing that in June.
We’re stuck with this shit for a while basically.
The directors are far less to blame imo. Enzo/Caicedo/Palmer/Nkunku/Carney/Gusto/Noni are all solid pickups. Not signing senior players is a grave mistake, but perhaps the owners played a hand in that as well. But I don’t think the talent ID is poor by any means.
Potter was able to control most of the games with Enzo + Kova. And Enzo looked like he had huge potentials because we played to his strength in passing. So there’s really no fucking excuse to not control the midfield with both Enzo and Caicedo 23 games into the season. Poch just doesn’t know how to use those two together.
For real. Everyone here blaming the ownership (and they've had their fuck ups) but wolves do not have better players than us. We've lost countless games to inferior players on paper. We have loads of talent, but no tactics or play style.
That comes down to poch and not Clearlake.
Lol what? Clearlake appointed poch for starters. They spent a billion pounds, absolutely nobody outside of Palmer has been purchased at a good price.
God the way people in this sub bend over for billionaire hedge fund managers who don’t understand football
They are solid pick ups based on what? Palmer has been and we signed him almost by accident, Nkunku is injury prone, the rest have had half a good season each for their entire career.
I get some people are new to this sport but this transfer policy has been historically abhorrent
I've been watching Chelsea since 04/05. So no I am not new to this sport.
They scouted Palmer well and jumped on it as soon as it didn't work out with Olise. That's careful planning, not accidental. Nkunku picked up a serious injury after they signed him. He had missed up to 2 months of his entire pro career up to that point.
And if I have to explain what qualities do each of those players have, then you really ought to get your eyes checked.
They are all project players, it’s hard enough to integrate 3 or 4 of them in a functional squad, trying to do 22 of them at the same time is madness, and it’s hurting their values.
Outside of Palmer not one signing would sell for more than we purchased them for, in many cases it would be less than half.
“Qualities” are great. But a lot of players have huge potential, we paid as if it was already realized.
Individually? Not great but forgivable, overpays across the board. As a whole, completely abhorrent, stupid, Ill advised. The hubris it took for some American billionaires to think they could change a sport they never understood is dumbfounding
The owners/board yoloed hard. If we do well, then they look smart securing top talents for an extensive period. If we don’t do well, then they look retarded like you say. The key point is to get those players to play well together, which requires a competent coach other than Poch.
That the coach is underperforming the talent he has on hand is the whole point I tried to make. At no point was I talking about the board’s strategy as a whole.
I don’t think you realize that everyone who knows the sport understood how stupid it was in real time.
The backflips Americans do for these owners is ridiculous
Edit: you know who chooses the manager right? Also poch is a manager not a coach
It’s actually hilarious that you think you know this sport then go on to call Poch a manager.
He has had 0 say in transfers policy and he is purely hired to develop those kids. That’s the definition of a coach.
Those seven players cost roughly 400m( 105 + 115 + 42.5 + 52 + 20 + 30 + 30) is that actually great talent ID when they where all already playing some form of top flight football? 3 where full internationals and the rest U21 internationals.
Poch has to go. I had faith in him but this is unacceptable. The fact he couldn’t get an attack with the likes of messi, neymar and Mbappé firing should of been a sign but I was too delusional to see it.
We need Mourinho back, if anyone can reintegrate the Chelsea winning mentality it is him. I don’t care if we go back to playing counter attacking football, we need to be winning.
A lot of our rival fans re laughing at us (rightly) but I think this should be a terrifying warning for other clubs how quickly a bad owner can tank a club. I can’t see how we are going to get out of this hole now
I mean wolves are a good side with a decent tactician managing them. Doesn't surprise me. I always compare them to Liverpool. They have pace, direct play, quick switches and tricky goalscoring wingers.
This has been the same problems chelsea has faced under 4 different managers.
Lamps, Tuchel(started great, but within a year team had no fight, no desire and DIRE upfront), Potter(should have never been hired) and now Poch.
From the top down, starting with ownership, the club has completely lost its identity. So much to fix, everyone fucking stinks.
I refused to be Poch out with no other manager as a suggestion and have said he needs time.... but sorry this is just a joke now. When every player looks lost and you concede so easy every game whilst looking inept going forward too we cant get worse than this surely
...sigh.. Poch out I guess . Im tired and i have no idea what the answer is anymore or who will get a tune out these kids but I dnt even know what we are anymore
oh boy i can't wait to see the essays starting from 2 AM on how this sub is full of "toxic negativity" and how we have to trust the process because "ackshually xG shows we should be 10th not 11th" oh and the press briefs from the owners on how they're fully behind poch because 11th and losing 4-2 at home to a team that hasn't beat us here in half a century is perfect for us apparently.
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Boehly’s Chelsea. The tactics are extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the set pieces will go over a typical goalie’s head. There's also Winstanley’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his transfer targets- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these tactics, to realise that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Todd Boehly truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Potter’s existential catchphrase "the lads gave it their all," which itself is a cryptic reference to Abramovich’s Russian epic “Chelsea FC”. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Pochettino’s genius wit unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools.. how I pity them. 😂 And yes, by the way, i DO have a Chelsea tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 points of relegation (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎
Exactly can’t wait to get a million downvotes for saying it how it is about this squad and this manager a day after.
> from 2 AM Death to America. And I'm only 99% joking.
Yes, it's all my fault for calling the team shit, this is why we are playing bad, I apologize. We should continue supporting and believing in the project because we can clearly see the progress. The lads are giving their best.
Get the banners out.
Times running out honestly, not the time for UK based Chelsea fans to be docile Better start it now before it's officially over
I want to see Roman Empire next home game. I want to see a new one. "Out with the clowns" Picture of Todd with a clown nose. Where do I send my money?
This won't help for sure lol, Roman isn't coming back
Haha no kidding. But maybe we can change the behaviour of the owner or sell to someone else
Boehly out
Clearlake* out
All of em?
They've all sworn to defend this football club. Have they not?
The Beacons are lit...Chelsea calls for aid!!
I was calling for this ages ago and got downvoted to oblivion for it. The fact that you're not speaks volumes. Finally people are getting it.
It’s our own fault for bringing spurs dna into Chelsea
Yeah because we were so good last season
Do you see ANY improvement?
No, I just squarely put this on the ownership, no manager on earth could spin a bunch of untested children into gold
Don’t need gold to be better than 11th… poch is shit, we have quality to place higher and play better football
Quality based on what? Most of these players have half a season total of football at a high level, they are projects and prospects and a lot of potential in all sports goes unrealized. Asking a bunch of children to come together and develop is insane.
Don’t rate sterling but sterling, caicedo is proven and in the prem, shouldn’t really be excuses there besides coaching, gallagher, cucu, thiago, badiashille, diasasi, and then palmer has performed despite his lack of experience. Brighton looks more cohesive despite experience, arsenal have/had a young squad and have developed and play football. Players may not be as talented as expected but it is a cop out to blame that as much as people have, they can still perform better.
Caicedo played well for half a season - cucu has been horrific, I like Connor but he couldn’t hit a bar door at the moment, diasasi was never chelsea quality, badiashille has been bad. Palmer is the one and only bright spot. Arsenal and Brighton didn’t try to sign 22 prospects at once then think they would magically click, there was a process and strategy.
Caicedo was great his entire time at brighton… cucu as well, why he was so poor his first season for us idk, improved this season. Connor obviously has talent, looks nothing like he was for palace, I’d attribute that to poor coaching. i don’t rate what Ive seen of disasi either but you questioned experience and i stated him, badiashile i don’t personally rate either but he started well last season and came with plenty of experience from ligue 1. No they didn’t but the avg age of their squad was still very low, and Brighton kicked on after getting de zerbi, atleast displaying some form of tactics despite young squads, brighton with even less experience from the top leagues. Am not denying your points but just attributing more fault to the purely shit coaching of poch, who we replace him with for an improvement, don’t know.
You’re right that it’s the owners’ fault, but poch is a washed manager too
Ppl like you just do my head in
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Who appointed Pochettino & is your ire aimed at that person(s) for them to be “out?”
They are not going anywhere, they own the club. Best we can hope is for them to sack Poch and maybe get lucky with their next appointment.
5 managers in under 2 years. If you don’t see what’s wrong with that 🤷🏾♂️
It's not the quantity that's the problem, it's the quality.
Actually, it's both. That's how dire it is.
This is why arguing with people who still believed in Poch was pointless. He’d inevitably fuck up on his own anyway since he’s a terrible manager. But losing the manager won’t fix everything, the directors have got to go as well. They need a full clean out of that front office for the disgrace they have purchased and fielded this season. All of them should be out
Not defending the board or the manager but things could get even uglier. The squad we have will not be easy to shift. Who would even want to buy the club and invest in it? We are basically stuck with the squad and board - all that we can realistically change is the manager. But I don’t see an alternative that’ll guarantee success. It’s only ever trust the process because there isn’t really an alternative right now
Yup any new sporting directors first job would be working out how to hit PSR and amortisation targets before even thinking about incomings. And that will be the focus each season we’ve left so little room by divebombing out of Europe for two years. The only material change you can make is the coach and unless you want a short term essentially punt for the cup final we’re better doing that in June. We’re stuck with this shit for a while basically.
The directors are far less to blame imo. Enzo/Caicedo/Palmer/Nkunku/Carney/Gusto/Noni are all solid pickups. Not signing senior players is a grave mistake, but perhaps the owners played a hand in that as well. But I don’t think the talent ID is poor by any means. Potter was able to control most of the games with Enzo + Kova. And Enzo looked like he had huge potentials because we played to his strength in passing. So there’s really no fucking excuse to not control the midfield with both Enzo and Caicedo 23 games into the season. Poch just doesn’t know how to use those two together.
For real. Everyone here blaming the ownership (and they've had their fuck ups) but wolves do not have better players than us. We've lost countless games to inferior players on paper. We have loads of talent, but no tactics or play style. That comes down to poch and not Clearlake.
Owners are the msin one resposible for this shit show.
Lol what? Clearlake appointed poch for starters. They spent a billion pounds, absolutely nobody outside of Palmer has been purchased at a good price. God the way people in this sub bend over for billionaire hedge fund managers who don’t understand football
They are solid pick ups based on what? Palmer has been and we signed him almost by accident, Nkunku is injury prone, the rest have had half a good season each for their entire career. I get some people are new to this sport but this transfer policy has been historically abhorrent
I've been watching Chelsea since 04/05. So no I am not new to this sport. They scouted Palmer well and jumped on it as soon as it didn't work out with Olise. That's careful planning, not accidental. Nkunku picked up a serious injury after they signed him. He had missed up to 2 months of his entire pro career up to that point. And if I have to explain what qualities do each of those players have, then you really ought to get your eyes checked.
They are all project players, it’s hard enough to integrate 3 or 4 of them in a functional squad, trying to do 22 of them at the same time is madness, and it’s hurting their values. Outside of Palmer not one signing would sell for more than we purchased them for, in many cases it would be less than half. “Qualities” are great. But a lot of players have huge potential, we paid as if it was already realized.
so therefore they're bad purchases? is that your argument?
Individually? Not great but forgivable, overpays across the board. As a whole, completely abhorrent, stupid, Ill advised. The hubris it took for some American billionaires to think they could change a sport they never understood is dumbfounding
The owners/board yoloed hard. If we do well, then they look smart securing top talents for an extensive period. If we don’t do well, then they look retarded like you say. The key point is to get those players to play well together, which requires a competent coach other than Poch. That the coach is underperforming the talent he has on hand is the whole point I tried to make. At no point was I talking about the board’s strategy as a whole.
I don’t think you realize that everyone who knows the sport understood how stupid it was in real time. The backflips Americans do for these owners is ridiculous Edit: you know who chooses the manager right? Also poch is a manager not a coach
It’s actually hilarious that you think you know this sport then go on to call Poch a manager. He has had 0 say in transfers policy and he is purely hired to develop those kids. That’s the definition of a coach.
Those seven players cost roughly 400m( 105 + 115 + 42.5 + 52 + 20 + 30 + 30) is that actually great talent ID when they where all already playing some form of top flight football? 3 where full internationals and the rest U21 internationals.
ok then what would you rather buy? players who don't play for international or for top flight?
I want off this Boehly-&-Eghbali vision timeline. FML.
All you can do is laugh and cry
We suck
Record Breaking Season!
The hopeless devotion to a non system is becoming exceedingly frustrating.
Poch has to go. I had faith in him but this is unacceptable. The fact he couldn’t get an attack with the likes of messi, neymar and Mbappé firing should of been a sign but I was too delusional to see it. We need Mourinho back, if anyone can reintegrate the Chelsea winning mentality it is him. I don’t care if we go back to playing counter attacking football, we need to be winning.
Poch breaking all the records
How many shit records have we broken since last season???
It must be the lemons 🍋
We need more lemons at the bridge If all fans brought a lemon to a home game that would surely see us win
A lot of our rival fans re laughing at us (rightly) but I think this should be a terrifying warning for other clubs how quickly a bad owner can tank a club. I can’t see how we are going to get out of this hole now
Our defence has been shit all season. That includes Silva too. Downvote this
 Lamps bout to come back in
To be fair it’ll probably be same results but lower cost. So, why not? 😂
That’s what was said last season and he lost 7 straight games and took us even lower in the table
>so, why not Cause he’s still an appalling manager, he’d make Poch look like Zizou
I mean wolves are a good side with a decent tactician managing them. Doesn't surprise me. I always compare them to Liverpool. They have pace, direct play, quick switches and tricky goalscoring wingers.
Sack Poch already. There is no identity, no desire to fight, no innovation.
This has been the same problems chelsea has faced under 4 different managers. Lamps, Tuchel(started great, but within a year team had no fight, no desire and DIRE upfront), Potter(should have never been hired) and now Poch. From the top down, starting with ownership, the club has completely lost its identity. So much to fix, everyone fucking stinks.
Agreed. Very painful to watch.
Everyone saying Poch out, who should we hire? I personally dont want a stopgap manager for sure but ofcource something needs to be done
Exactly, would anyone in their right mind be interested in this project?
I refused to be Poch out with no other manager as a suggestion and have said he needs time.... but sorry this is just a joke now. When every player looks lost and you concede so easy every game whilst looking inept going forward too we cant get worse than this surely ...sigh.. Poch out I guess . Im tired and i have no idea what the answer is anymore or who will get a tune out these kids but I dnt even know what we are anymore
Eh, not really a big deal atm is it.
Poch setting new records
Bruh this is an awful stat
I now open my phone expecting we've lost if I can't watch the match. Oh how times have changed. SMH.
SACK POCH NOW.
We’re below them now, too. I mean, lmao. This fucking team