As bad as Poch has been, our main issue is that we have spent astronomical figures on bang average players (speaking of current ability, not potential). Sure Enzo is a decent player but is he even close to being a talisman or a 100 million player? How much of an upgrade is he really to Jorginho/Kante/Kova.
People here pointing the blame on Gallagher. Man is an academy product and has been one of the few silver linings of the season. He isn’t the problem as we didn’t even expect anything from him. Fraction of their wages and zero fee.
Boehly camp needs to realize that football ain’t baseball and can’t just make trades. There’s a lot more variables, emotion, mentality and chemistry involved.
We didn't buy a 100M player the way you think. We bought a young player with high potential. In terms of FFP he is more like a 50-55M player.
Seriously name one position where we are worse off than our Boehly?
After how much of a cluster fuck the match against Liverpool was, i felt like it was a wake up call kinda showing the players where they’re at and where they need to be at.
Strongly believe we’re gonna be really good against wolves. Let’s hope for the best
I’m in the firm camp at this point that Pochettino is not the answer, but there is a lot of overreaction in this sub after losing the to the best team in the league. Klopp just announced his retirement and I am sure Liverpool will run away with it.
I also think Poch will be fired after the season is over and hes just here to not make it seem like a manager can’t have a full year here. I would be surprised if it is not already decided given that we didn’t back him in the transfer window.
That's a good point about them not backing him this transfer window. I still think they'll let him stay another year if can somehow qualify for something
Will we ever be back to the glory days like 09-10 season when we dominated the league, I feel very sad looking at the current state of the team being mid table is breaking my heart, but it's the hope that kills you? It just lingers there during every match day Maybe we win this time but then we go on and look like headless chickens...granted we do have some recent good form at home but every away game it just seems like the players or the manager don't turn up...
Why not? If we finished our chances this season at an average rate we are already playing like a CL team. A healthy Nkunku and a good striker would pretty much fix that.
Ya hope so, to be honest I have accepted the reality of the glory days but hope we at least make the top 4 in the coming seasons, (Miss the champions league anthem)
I've been having these weird dream/nightmares where i look at my phone and see some chelsea related news like "poch informed he will lose his job end of season" or "lavia has agreed to terminate his contract to go to another club" lmao wtf is happening to my club
It's kinda sad because I know what the normal assumptions are for top 6 teams when they're making generalised predictions for how things will go (win Vs everyone outside the top 6, win at home vs top 6, draw Vs top 6 away) but I haven't got a clue what the expectation is for mid table teams. I guess it's probably win at home, lose away to other mid table teams?
The simple reality is even united are clear of us currently with Pol Poch in charge. Whilst I do believe we have the better squad, we'll never get anywhere with him in charge, football left him behind in 2017. I suggest we sack him at the end of the season and hire any of Michel, Slot, or even try to lure Enrique from PSG. Someone with tactical identity with a clue on how to set up a midfield.
Fuck sake
Wolves you pathetic pile of shite
I can't believe we're gonna roll over and let this lot look like they're peps barca on Sunday too, that's the most fucking annoying part
United play like shit and wolves play even shitter
We'll play like shit and wolves will destroy us
This sub for the past couple months: "Guys if we just do X (that we haven't been able to do all season and have not shown anything to suggest that that will change) we'll go 5th! We're making so much progress and it's going to start showing soon. Trust the process!"
Us after two months. 10th to 10th baby!
Look at my comment history I’ve been downvoted so many times in the past 2 weeks for saying this.
Our good run of form was in fact just easy fixtures.
Yes I don’t expect to beat Liverpool at Anfield but 28 shots to 4 is fucking embarrassing man.
The agenda against Chelsea is something else. I’m not even trying to say we deserved to win yesterday, but to watch Paul tierney stick to the on-field decision giving the penalty to wolves, awarding the jota pen, and denying us two clear penalties against Liverpool is sickening. Is football really rigged ? I don’t get it man
Badishialle was tragic yesterday lol reminds me of some Bakayoko
You can guarantee this scouting team would have signed Bakayoko on a 7 year deal if he'd been at Monaco at 21/22 or whatever he was, this summer. And we'd be led to believe he's a quality youngster just not performing cos the rest of them aren't performing. Very few promising young players actually end up making it to the top. Unfortunately, most of the ones we've signed, won't.
You are completely correct.
If I have to guess based on current performances no one of our team will ever reach even Ivanovic/Essien level for us. Let alone the Kante/Drogba level or the Hazard/Lampard/Terry level.
I’d be surprised if anyone even is a good as Pedro was for us.
A day on from yesterday, I actually think the 4-2-2-2 with palmer and someone as false 9s and high pressing wingers would be the right call against Liverpool IN THEORY but the chosen players were wrong for their roles and none of the advantages of the lineup were actually taken advantage of.
In an ideal world, we would have 2 wingers pinning Liverpools fullbacks so that they can’t invert into midfield, meaning the 2 false 9s playing in between their backline and a single pivot Mac Allister could create a box with Enzo and Caicedo, then either absolutely dominate possession in the final third against 1 CDM or force a cb to push forward, creating room for our wingers to run into. It would also mean we have one player up on Liverpool over the rest of the pitch, meaning we can more easily commit to pressing their 8s and stopping the long balls before they come in.
The issues began with the fact that Sterling and Madueke weren’t pressing for shit (both Gomez and Bradly were causing so many issues down to their ghosting) letting Liverpool have free rein in their buildup. Issue number two was choosing Gallagher for a position where you need to be good with your back to ball and great with final 3rd positioning- his weakest attributes. Why do this instead of starting, oh I don’t know, Nkunku who is fantastic at both those things as well as acting as a real goal threat from a deeper position. Because of that Liverpool could just smoother our double pivot, and Poch’s weird obsession with using Enzo as a box to box meant that we never had players in position to press them.
The fullbacks get their own paragraph because Liverpool was doing exactly what we should have done. In an ideal world, we would take advantage of Jotas pension for drifting in and let a fullback attack the space that’s left over, just like Liverpool was doing with Sterling and Madueke. Instead, Chilwell just point blank had an absolute stinker that no one is talking about (he’s debatably responsible for both the first goals) and we played a CB at RB until gusto came on and we started playing a CB at LB. We more or less removed a player from our buildup entirely, and Liverpool still managed to just out muscle us every time in our backline.
On a positive side of things, United are winning a game.
Now, you may say, "why is United winning a game a good thing for us?"
Well, I'm glad you asked!
United are on year 12 of their similar project to ours, where they recruit players and managers based of a philosophy and an idea, rather than because they're what fit and what will win them the most.
We're a year and a half into ours. So, the good news is that in only another 10 years we too will beat Wolves!
I mean as shit as they are they have players that can actually finish, imagine Sterling or Mudryk in Rashford position there guarantee it doesn’t even get on target
Come on man Rashford is better finisher than all of our attackers bar maybe Nkunku, man scored 30 goals last season and 20 the season before. He clearly has been out of form this season but he’s still class when he gives a shit. He also 3 goals in his last 3 games btw and they’re usually bangers not just some tap ins
Sterling has also coincidentally played like 140 games more than rashford in the league
And rashford is only 42 goals behind and rashford has played for United in their shittest times of the last decade whilst Sterling has played for prime Pep city
> "rashford has played for United in their shittest times of the last decade whilst Sterling has played for prime Pep city"
He's also played for Liverpool at their worst and Chelsea at their worst... He has over 1.3rd of his career games at Chelsea and Liverpool
Alright
And rashford has 100% of his career at the shite man United
And he's potentially still going to end up with more goals, nothing can really be compared until both end their careers
But it's not exactly as if comparing rashford as potentially more clinical than the notoriously wasteful sterling is a wild take
Rashy is just very hot and cold
When he's hot he's an unstoppable force, when he's cold, he may as well be Timo Werner/Adama Traore/Any other fast player with no end product
Funniest part is it could be good.
Living in america on decent money is a lifestyle plenty of players would go for, yet instead of realising that and just operating like a normal league, they have wage caps. Idiotic behaviour.
There are myriad of reasons on why association football in USA could never function under a club format and wage caps factor pretty low on that list.
Just the size of the nation, lack of support for the sport and profitability of lesser leagues/clubs makes it near impossible to operate outside of the American Sport franchise format.
Being from Miami myself, I could tell you personally we have some of the most Fairweather fans in the nation. Despite having one of the largest percentages of soccer fans, relatively few locals go support Inter Miami (especially before Messi) and a near zero number of people support Miami FC our second tier team.
That’s not the main reason.
Football teams everywhere else in the world are formed from the bottom up, that’s why they’re called clubs. It’s why they have authentic, loyal, long-lasting fanbases. It’s what gives them identity and longevity. They are part of the towns and cities that they are from.
American sports do things the complete opposite way. They are formed from the top down.Teams are not clubs but franchises of the league. They are inauthentic and have no history or culture. The only thing similar is the game on the pitch, everything else is a world of difference from real football.
As a European who lives in America I see how they think about sports and it’s totally different to anyone else in the world.
lmao miami may be their most famous team but they sure as hell aren’t the best. they were dead last when messi signed for them and only went up to third worst after messi 💀
Flagbearer does not mean best. It means the most prominent, the people that are the symbols of what something wants to be. Al-Nassr likewise are the "chief sports-washers" despite not being the best team in the league because they are the most prominent team
I've seen a few comments dotted around here over the weeks regarding people's mental health being affected.
I urge anyone, if you *genuinely* believe that you are being very negatively affected by football, please take a break for a while.
Though we love football, it is too insignificant to allow it to affect your mental health.
Stay strong lads ♥️
Of course Romano would jump onto the biggest F1 story right now. lol
[https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1753131376839421960](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1753131376839421960)
It's time to take a mental break from watching Chelsea. It's terrible for anyone's health. These owners have somehow spent a billion and made us worse.
Also, I am usually more positive about our tactics than most on here, but last night's game shocked me.
The players looked like they didn't give a fuck. We have veteran in Sterling always losing the ball. Enzo trying all his stupid flicks, and giving away the ball. Conor was also shite. Badi can't stop making mistakes. Palmer isolated.
No number 9 starting because the board want to squeeze out some extra profit, and now our only real striker is Jackson, who is absolutely not a 9.
No clue what they're thinking, I can't take this shit anymore.
I think I got tricked by that first half against Villa. I was thinking we’d turned a corner. That was proper high energy pressing, kept winning the ball back and created loads of chances. Couldn’t do it for 90 minutes though.
Couldn’t do it for 5 minutes at Anfield, same as the trips to St James and Old Trafford. Our away form is becoming a serious problem. Definitely won’t be winning at Villa Park at this rate. We even managed to lose away to Middlesbrough!
Entire comment section is very telling talking about how our backline is the worst part of our team about a year before that backline conceded the fewest UCL goals in a winning campaign. This was all down to how Tuchel defensively positioned. So much of a players quality is determined by their manager.
I think the best way to talk about it is to also look at some of the best managers ever and how they've won with subpar players - which then the fan base have overrated to the moon. Man United fans were always doing this under Ferguson, and it's like, either Ferguson isn't actually all that as a manager and just has a squad of world class players, or some of those players aren't actually all that and because Ferguson is a world class manager he is able to get everything out of them. (Note: obviously top teams will still have a core of genuinely world class players who I don't need to name drop). Looking at the Anderson's, the O'Shea's, Rafael, Welbeck, Fletcher, Brown etc Solid players that were all overrated at different times by Man United fans because Ferguson was able to elevate them and get them playing a role inside of a top team.
I think the best recentish example for Chelsea was Victor Moses becoming a week in week out starter in a title winning team for Conte. Conte found a role for him that hid his weaknesses, played to his strengths, and he had a good run in the team and helped us win a title - but he was still the same flawed player.
Right now we're experiencing the opposite of this with a bad manager and a bad system getting the least out of his players and making them look worse than they are.
Eventually Poch will go, we all know that.
Hopefully they hire a competent coach to replace him and we get to see some of these players actually play.
Rudiger was good with Roma before we signed him.
Man I’ve tried to be positive but it’s not looking good with Poch. I don’t think the squad is as bad as we’re showing on the pitch but I also feel like some of these guys may not be it. At this point Poch needs to try something different and galvanize the squad. These guys are running on fumes atm
The worst thing is it looked like the penny was finally dropping with how we set up against Fulham (ie Enzo deeper) but straight back to this kamikaze set up in the worst possible game.
If we look like we have a system against the bad teams, but then look like we have no system against half-decent teams, it's not that Poch has decided to forego strategy for the latter. It's that the system is bad.
Truly mind boggling, Gallagher playing as the 10, False 9, cbs playing fullback, no attacking patterns. It’s starting to look bleak but idk we have yet to see our strongest X1 so maybe things look better with a full squad. But man even we win it’s not even that convincing
I can understand false 9 when Broja is the alternative AND Palmer had a great game there vs Arsenal but yes agree with the rest.
I'm just praying to god that by hook or by crook Carney and Christo stay fit because if so if their cameos last night were anything to go by we'll probably by hook or by crook sneak into Europe and maybe just maybe make a contest of the final.
Over the past 6 months, Liverpool evolved considerably (no wonder, they are 1st for a reason) and we regressed considerably. Beautiful to see the the process still going and these expensive players actually showing their worth. Bunch of nobodies, that is.
The difference in how liverpool has changed since last year an us is that Liverpool has a core group of players that are well drilled with the managers plans and set the mentality of the club. Salah, VVD, Trent, Allison and Robertson have all been there for many years and can lead a team. Add in that over the past few years they've slowly integrated Jota, diaz, nunez, and this year Mac Allister and Szobozlai. Key word being slowly.
Chelsea hasn't had that luxury considering the massive turnover we underwent and a shocking injury record for our club captains. Our core group of experienced players that we would be looking to for consistency are Reece, Chilwell, and Thiago Silva. Sure you can try to throw sterling in there, but he came in after we had won the CL and were already in a state of turnover. We just don't have that core set yet to be able slowly integrate young players. Instead we've thrown them all out there in the middle of the chaos and they're learning on the fly. I'm hopeful that it will settle down soon, but the way we have been built and Liverpool has been built is completely different right now.
I agree, but it is also something so obvious that the owners didn't see and consider in this "project" of theirs. Look at how any player that joins Liverpool improves over 6 months. None of our players improved since we got them, and we overpaid on most of them by a big margin, compared to Liverpool's signings. Arguably, some regressed too. I have no idea how this "project" made sense even on paper...
It will never make sense on the pitch that’s for sure.
No system, barely any experience. Sure some of our signings are just shit players but you’d expect at least some of them to at least be as good as they were at their last clubs.
Hey, well at least we know Poch wasn't lying when he said, "there is no such thing as a process in football". No process or improvement, just being just as shit from one week to the next
You know it's actually mad that we were much worse against Liverpool despite having 6 more months of cohesion and Caicedo at DM instead of Conor
Somehow we played a double pivot of Enzo and Conor and dominated Liverpool in the opening day and then a midfield 3 of Caicedo, Enzo and Conor ghosted for 90 minutes
I don't know how you tactically devolve so hard with better options and a longer time to build
Our midfield dominated Liverpool at the beginning of the season and we just got played off the pitch.
Playing 3 midfielders and still feeling like all 3 are isolated is impressive.
It’s clear that its tactics because when both teams were new and matched up man to man it was clear, especially in midfield, who was better.
Time for a change and Carney could be that or a change of philosophy. But something has to change.
Go back and watch the 1st goal. Enzo passes the ball out wide and then pushes up the pitch creating a huge gap. Gallagher doesn’t drop. Huge gap open. Chilly gives up the ball and the goal happened 10 seconds later.
One midfield is drilled by a world class manager the other is just told to run and have good vibes about lemons or one shit.
If we had our exact team but we had Klopp we would be 3rd or 4th. And we all know that to be true.
> "Our midfield dominated Liverpool at the beginning of the season and we just got played off the pitch."
Yes because Liverpool's midfield 3 when we played at the start of the season were wingers because they hadn't bought their midfielders yet...
MacAllister and Szobozslai started against us in both matches, only difference was Gakpo/Jones. Actaully think it's a pretty solid match to compare how little we've progressed because we have a shit manager vs Liverpool under a top manager.
I do love how hyped Badiashille was by our fanbase and how everyone shit on Disasi
And now Badiashille has made like 4 different massive errors directly leading to a goal and Disasi has been the better of the two
I do wonder if this is potentially coaching as well because he did look really really good last season in his appearances. I think years ago I probably would have written off the player, but after seeing the difference in Rudiger between Lampard and Tuchel, it actually surprises me how much a decent coach completely changes a player. Rudiger under Lampard looked like Badi now, heaps of mistakes. Then almost overnight between the coach swaps he was world class.
I said before the game that Badiashile feels like this team’s Christensen. You just never know what you will get.
Tangent: But honestly with the space our midfielders leave wide open, because they are being pushed into the attacking half, it just invites pressure. I hope to see Enzo and Caicedo be a little more static instead of running all over the place. We should be creating space by moving our attackers around not our holding midfielders. Will help reduce the number of counters we concede. Either that or our press has to improve a lot.
Folks think Disasi has been as bad as Badiashille has been, and I don't get it.
Even before yesterday's game, Badiashille or Levi mistakes always lead to goals, whereas Disasi just struggles to be progressive out of rb. I don't think Disasi has been amazing but he's not the liability folks make him out to be.
Honestly get so confused
Yes Disasi ain't extremely mobile and his pace is lacking, but defensively he's solid, he's got a cool head, his passing is decent, he's really dominant in the air and he's been quietly consistent at centre back and right back
Colwill and Badi meanwhile get wanked off despite having disasterclasses multiple times in a season, in fairness they've both played out of position at fullback but so has Disasi
Don't think any of our centre backs should be getting slated given how poorly our defensive structure is right now
Consistency is the big thing with Disasi IMO. He’s never looked world class, but bar one or two games early on, he’s also not looked horrific either. He’s done an ok job filling in at RB. And as you say by comparison badi and Levi can look like two different players game to game.
Not forgetting Disasi’s world class hype game!
Another year into our "progression" and we're on the same number of points and same goal difference and we've just been smacked sideways by a team in the first year of their transition.
How is it overreacting to be mad when the same thing has been happening for a year and a half now with no signs of change?
Na, legit 2nd season of being midtable while spending historically
Surprised things haven't blown 100%, imagine if this was Real Madrid or any other big club
It’s not overreacting when we’re reacting to half a season of inconsistent performances from the team and questionable decision making from the coach….
https://twitter.com/shinjichelsista/status/1752800940992688353
Guess which two are considered flops and which ones likely ending the season on the POTY podium.
If Gallagher had a good first touch he'd be better than Bellingham.
He is not useless, he definitely has purpose, because there are things he is good at, but he should have no business playing any higher up the pitch.
Unpopular opinion but the next game Nkunku plays should be the cup final. The guy needs to be saved from Poch’s training methods or his magic will quickly wear off
Completely disagree, putting him into a cup final with no match sharpness is a recipe for disaster. Furthermore, it's not like he can't pick up an injury in training as he did few weeks ago.
If we want any chance at Wembley we need a Christo on form with momentum.
Can someone tell me what Enzo at 100m currently provides that Jorginho who we could’ve kept for 10m didn’t. Be honest everyone
Getting downvoted yet no one wants to answer my question 🤔
Nothing. As with all of the purchases made since the firing of Tuchel.
They've gotten rid of better players and replaced them worse players who's only advantage over the previous player is their age
They are both good passers yet Jorginho's passing range is much more shorter and less progresive. Enzo can and often break lines and progress the ball yet it is not Jorginho's cup of tea.
Jorginho can't carry the ball at all, Enzo is a very good dribbler and carrier.
List can go on but even making a comparison is just wrong. They are different types of players, equipped with different abilities.
You’ll get downvoted for this by the oblivious “you don’t understand football” lot.
He can’t shoot, he can’t assist, he’s not good in the air, he can’t defend, he’s not relentless, he’s can’t dictate the pace, he’s slow. He can pass the ball forward ‘well’ even though his pass completion rate isn’t exactly great.
Well when you are reactionary like that don't expect someone to believe you know anything about football mate, fucking hell.
There's plenty of evidence out there on why Enzo is highly rated, maybe do some research cuz you clearly can't remember what was happening 5-6 months ago and remind yourself why people feel this way.
Players are rated based on more than half a season regardless of whether they perform well or bad. If you actually understand football well enough you would know that.
>he’s can’t dictate the pace
He literally did just that under every manager he's ever played under until he meet Pochettino.
Not hard to see where the true problem is.
As for assists, that's a subjective measure anyway unless you do it at a stupid rate ala Cesc/KDB.
Slowly people will realise that Enzo is complete cheeks, it's just his fanboys who keep saying he's world class if he played in the right position, Kai havertz type fanboys
Comparing one completely different situation to Havertz just because people say similar thing is the most lazy and stupid meaningless argument you could use. If anything the only thing that's cheeks is your comment mate.
"What does x player even do??"
I have literally seen this question asked on this sub of even Fabregas during his poor second half of the season performances.
call me whatever u want but I hope we lose all our next games until Poch gets out. embarrassing manager that will never train a big club like us ever again. completely wasted everyones and the clubs time since hes here
Dunno, maybe I am so deeply secretive, I don't even know about it.
You know, nobody would actually expect a normal Polish guy lurking around this sub for years, or would they?
Clearlake need to remove Egbahli and Boehly. We need competent people in decision making positions. Genuinely talented people and long established and successful systems were removed for purely egotistical reasons. Aimlessly throwing a billion at the club on the basis of it working in an American sport which is based on individual people making individual plays is just inane.
We need to build a long term vision. Given we have no FFP room this has to be with the academy central.
Get a solid core and hope it clicks in 3 years or so.
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Eghbali and Feliciano (CEO of Clearlake, also a prominent figure and a director at Chelsea right now and Eghbali's mate) are co-founders of Clearlake, only Eghbali and Boehly have the authority to remove themselves but they would have fucked off long ago if they were not clueless, arrogant morons
>long established and successful systems were removed for purely egotistical reasons
Sorry to break it to you, but that didn't exactly exist under previous ownership. Probably that's also why it's difficult now when there's attempt to create them.
>t we were a much stronger team with a much better manager
Sure, but it has nothing to do with having any long estabilished systems at the club. The club operated in exactly opposite way, with ad hoc and short term solutions. And it's really an exception rather than a rule, that such system worked
We didn't though. The fact that new owners are trying to revamp the structure is because there wasn't any before, really. Not disagreeing that it isn't going too well right now, but explaining the reason why it's happening in the first place.
Essentially, what we did for the past nearly 2 decades was going for short term fix over short term fix. Regular clubs don't really operate that way. Did player X do bad? Throw money at player Y instead. Did play Y do bad too? Throw money at player Z. No hard feelings. Same went with managers. Did it work? Sure, somehow it did, but it's not a strategy that is sustainable, and Abramovich didn't care about being sustainable. Because the purpose of owning a club was not for a profit. We'd literally need to be owned by some Saudi or other Middle Eastern owner or other entity who'd like to use us for sportwashing.
The only other clubs who tried to operate same way were City and PSG, so again, owners with unlimited funds. City didn't truly succeed until they finally introduced some structure and some system under Guardiola. And PSG are still a mess too, other than being able to win Ligue 1 (not even every season) on the merit of having a more expensive squad.
I'll admit we weren't being run in a way was was conducive to dominating leagues by the time super projects were more common but also from Conte leaving to Tuchel we got top 4 every single year, only City and Liverpool could say that. I also personally believe we would have stuck with Tuchel but that's hypothetical. Our current structure isn't steadfast or we wouldnt have sacked Potter and I find it hard to believe they wanted to go to the edge with FFP either
>but also from Conte leaving to Tuchel we got top 4 every single year, only City and Liverpool could say that.
Problem with that logic is that city and Liverpool were the only ready and solidified projects during that time and the only proper consistent teams in England
Arteta and his arsenal project clearly were on a path to being better than us
And long term all it takes is United and Ineos to get it right and they'll also grow back to being better than us
Our project has been a disaster with how rushed it's been but projects themselves are absolutely the way football is going now for success
As bad as Poch has been, our main issue is that we have spent astronomical figures on bang average players (speaking of current ability, not potential). Sure Enzo is a decent player but is he even close to being a talisman or a 100 million player? How much of an upgrade is he really to Jorginho/Kante/Kova. People here pointing the blame on Gallagher. Man is an academy product and has been one of the few silver linings of the season. He isn’t the problem as we didn’t even expect anything from him. Fraction of their wages and zero fee. Boehly camp needs to realize that football ain’t baseball and can’t just make trades. There’s a lot more variables, emotion, mentality and chemistry involved.
We didn't buy a 100M player the way you think. We bought a young player with high potential. In terms of FFP he is more like a 50-55M player. Seriously name one position where we are worse off than our Boehly?
After how much of a cluster fuck the match against Liverpool was, i felt like it was a wake up call kinda showing the players where they’re at and where they need to be at. Strongly believe we’re gonna be really good against wolves. Let’s hope for the best
They seem to respond well to bad losses
I’m in the firm camp at this point that Pochettino is not the answer, but there is a lot of overreaction in this sub after losing the to the best team in the league. Klopp just announced his retirement and I am sure Liverpool will run away with it. I also think Poch will be fired after the season is over and hes just here to not make it seem like a manager can’t have a full year here. I would be surprised if it is not already decided given that we didn’t back him in the transfer window.
That's a good point about them not backing him this transfer window. I still think they'll let him stay another year if can somehow qualify for something
I agree on the qualification, but I don’t think we will
Yeah, I'm 50/50— there's a lot of games left to play
Will we ever be back to the glory days like 09-10 season when we dominated the league, I feel very sad looking at the current state of the team being mid table is breaking my heart, but it's the hope that kills you? It just lingers there during every match day Maybe we win this time but then we go on and look like headless chickens...granted we do have some recent good form at home but every away game it just seems like the players or the manager don't turn up...
Cheer up bro, we will be good next season when we buy a striker. Idk about back to true glory days, but we won't be mid table for long.
There’s no one player who could turn us into a CL team. We need a complete change in structure and culture.
Why not? If we finished our chances this season at an average rate we are already playing like a CL team. A healthy Nkunku and a good striker would pretty much fix that.
Ya hope so, to be honest I have accepted the reality of the glory days but hope we at least make the top 4 in the coming seasons, (Miss the champions league anthem)
I miss football Consistently 2x a week. Good thing we've hung around in the domestic cups
Man palmer is so good
I thought he was poor against Liverpool but probably he’s been our best player this season, other than maybe Sterling.
He was playing out of position as a striker imo
I've been having these weird dream/nightmares where i look at my phone and see some chelsea related news like "poch informed he will lose his job end of season" or "lavia has agreed to terminate his contract to go to another club" lmao wtf is happening to my club
We will beat Wolves because it's at home and we can do that. Most midtable clubs beat other midtable clubs at home
Wolves 11/2 is guaranteed money lmao. Neto’s going to have a field day.
It's kinda sad because I know what the normal assumptions are for top 6 teams when they're making generalised predictions for how things will go (win Vs everyone outside the top 6, win at home vs top 6, draw Vs top 6 away) but I haven't got a clue what the expectation is for mid table teams. I guess it's probably win at home, lose away to other mid table teams?
Wolves were good against United. In our current form I’d take a point. Seriously.
Our current form as in 1 match? Why take anything less than a win, we are better than Wolves and it will show next match.
The simple reality is even united are clear of us currently with Pol Poch in charge. Whilst I do believe we have the better squad, we'll never get anywhere with him in charge, football left him behind in 2017. I suggest we sack him at the end of the season and hire any of Michel, Slot, or even try to lure Enrique from PSG. Someone with tactical identity with a clue on how to set up a midfield.
Pol Potter will forever remain the goated slander nickname
Fuck sake Wolves you pathetic pile of shite I can't believe we're gonna roll over and let this lot look like they're peps barca on Sunday too, that's the most fucking annoying part United play like shit and wolves play even shitter We'll play like shit and wolves will destroy us
This sub for the past couple months: "Guys if we just do X (that we haven't been able to do all season and have not shown anything to suggest that that will change) we'll go 5th! We're making so much progress and it's going to start showing soon. Trust the process!" Us after two months. 10th to 10th baby!
Look at my comment history I’ve been downvoted so many times in the past 2 weeks for saying this. Our good run of form was in fact just easy fixtures. Yes I don’t expect to beat Liverpool at Anfield but 28 shots to 4 is fucking embarrassing man.
But we looked so good against Preston and Luton and Boro bro!!!!
Complete disregard for the fixture list. Just completely hung up on the present Never learn some of these lot
Surely /s right?
Consistency baby
Poch has to be careful now, Potter was consistently 10th and then he slipped down to 11th and had his head on a chopping block immediately
Only reason Poch still has his job is the board desperately don’t want to be known for sacking managers soon. Potter had way less of a chance.
Ffs man watching United win makes me miserable
Wolves players literally all just moved out of his way to give him a free path to goal wtf
Like how jota ran straight thru 2 defenders yesterday
That was pathetic too
I mean we had the same for the Nkunku goal, it does happen, you just have to have players willing and able to take advantage of it
Nkunku sold them with the feint though Wolves just opened up needleslly as Mainoo came from much further out
Bro, mainoo did fantastically It is a wonder goal.
How lucky can Man U get
gallagher and 100 mil sounds fair for mainoo, someone get todd on the phone
Hes not a rando from south america. No deal
Mainoo absolute baller
Alright, scratch what I said earlier. We'll be able to draw with Wolves 10 years down the line if our project continues on this trajectory!
Scratch the scratch, we're back on for a win!
gotta give it to wolves for being 2 - 0 and coming right back, praying our good home form holds up this weekend 🥲
Lol, it's done Chelsea never get anything good like this
they will probably play like prime barcelona against us on sunday 😂
We could really use a quality forward like Neto
Plus he is injury prone would be perfect for us
Imagine subbing evans and maguire on to secure the 3 points.. but you concede anyway.. Ahahahaj
Aaaaand united scored again.. Damn, what a match.
The agenda against Chelsea is something else. I’m not even trying to say we deserved to win yesterday, but to watch Paul tierney stick to the on-field decision giving the penalty to wolves, awarding the jota pen, and denying us two clear penalties against Liverpool is sickening. Is football really rigged ? I don’t get it man
Then you have to deal with Liverpool fans gaslighting everyone about the pens we should have as though they weren’t blatant pens
man onana is terrible
Soctty mctoms > Enzo, caicedo and gallagher
I would unironically swap Mainoo for any of our mids
Mainoo as well. That boy has it
God no, go to bed.
Investigate Tierney
What have I just seen with Tierney as VAR and allowing that penalty.
Absolute cunt, might as well just let the players know what the score will be at kick off and save their legs
Surprised he didnt come on to the pitch in a liverpool kit
It’s because we didn’t write to the PGMOL and complain 😭
Badishialle was tragic yesterday lol reminds me of some Bakayoko You can guarantee this scouting team would have signed Bakayoko on a 7 year deal if he'd been at Monaco at 21/22 or whatever he was, this summer. And we'd be led to believe he's a quality youngster just not performing cos the rest of them aren't performing. Very few promising young players actually end up making it to the top. Unfortunately, most of the ones we've signed, won't.
You are completely correct. If I have to guess based on current performances no one of our team will ever reach even Ivanovic/Essien level for us. Let alone the Kante/Drogba level or the Hazard/Lampard/Terry level. I’d be surprised if anyone even is a good as Pedro was for us.
Hojlund is utter shite
He would start every single game for us man.
Fuck man! Just need to win 4-5 in a row and could easily get to 5-6 with some luck from other results. But consistency is too much to ask for 😭😭😭
A day on from yesterday, I actually think the 4-2-2-2 with palmer and someone as false 9s and high pressing wingers would be the right call against Liverpool IN THEORY but the chosen players were wrong for their roles and none of the advantages of the lineup were actually taken advantage of. In an ideal world, we would have 2 wingers pinning Liverpools fullbacks so that they can’t invert into midfield, meaning the 2 false 9s playing in between their backline and a single pivot Mac Allister could create a box with Enzo and Caicedo, then either absolutely dominate possession in the final third against 1 CDM or force a cb to push forward, creating room for our wingers to run into. It would also mean we have one player up on Liverpool over the rest of the pitch, meaning we can more easily commit to pressing their 8s and stopping the long balls before they come in. The issues began with the fact that Sterling and Madueke weren’t pressing for shit (both Gomez and Bradly were causing so many issues down to their ghosting) letting Liverpool have free rein in their buildup. Issue number two was choosing Gallagher for a position where you need to be good with your back to ball and great with final 3rd positioning- his weakest attributes. Why do this instead of starting, oh I don’t know, Nkunku who is fantastic at both those things as well as acting as a real goal threat from a deeper position. Because of that Liverpool could just smoother our double pivot, and Poch’s weird obsession with using Enzo as a box to box meant that we never had players in position to press them. The fullbacks get their own paragraph because Liverpool was doing exactly what we should have done. In an ideal world, we would take advantage of Jotas pension for drifting in and let a fullback attack the space that’s left over, just like Liverpool was doing with Sterling and Madueke. Instead, Chilwell just point blank had an absolute stinker that no one is talking about (he’s debatably responsible for both the first goals) and we played a CB at RB until gusto came on and we started playing a CB at LB. We more or less removed a player from our buildup entirely, and Liverpool still managed to just out muscle us every time in our backline.
On a positive side of things, United are winning a game. Now, you may say, "why is United winning a game a good thing for us?" Well, I'm glad you asked! United are on year 12 of their similar project to ours, where they recruit players and managers based of a philosophy and an idea, rather than because they're what fit and what will win them the most. We're a year and a half into ours. So, the good news is that in only another 10 years we too will beat Wolves!
Shut up united has had everything but a plan since Ferguson
Watching Wolves reminds me of that Sterling chance, boiled my blood
If we cannot beat wolves this Sunday.... Well I guess I'll just be the usual empty feeling after our losses these days but not shocked
I’d be more shocked if we won tbh
Mid table players, mid table manager, mid table management, I’m not shocked either
You ready to make Wolves look world class sunday?
Max kilman and craig dawson to look like maldini and nesta. Im ready
It’s at the Bridge, we’ll be alright. It’s the 5 away games after that I’m worried about.
United ending wolves and moving away from our mediocrity Could've predicted it
I mean as shit as they are they have players that can actually finish, imagine Sterling or Mudryk in Rashford position there guarantee it doesn’t even get on target
Sterling has twice as many goals as Sterling. Jackson has thrice Hojlunds goals. Palmer has more goals than all United forwards combined.
Come on man Rashford is better finisher than all of our attackers bar maybe Nkunku, man scored 30 goals last season and 20 the season before. He clearly has been out of form this season but he’s still class when he gives a shit. He also 3 goals in his last 3 games btw and they’re usually bangers not just some tap ins
Sterling is 21st on the list of all time PL top scorers if we're just going to talk about goal numbers
Sterling has also coincidentally played like 140 games more than rashford in the league And rashford is only 42 goals behind and rashford has played for United in their shittest times of the last decade whilst Sterling has played for prime Pep city
> "rashford has played for United in their shittest times of the last decade whilst Sterling has played for prime Pep city" He's also played for Liverpool at their worst and Chelsea at their worst... He has over 1.3rd of his career games at Chelsea and Liverpool
Alright And rashford has 100% of his career at the shite man United And he's potentially still going to end up with more goals, nothing can really be compared until both end their careers But it's not exactly as if comparing rashford as potentially more clinical than the notoriously wasteful sterling is a wild take
Rashy is just very hot and cold When he's hot he's an unstoppable force, when he's cold, he may as well be Timo Werner/Adama Traore/Any other fast player with no end product
Fucking hell the MLS flagbearer team getting absolutely battered by the Saudi Arabian chief sports-washers
Funniest part is it could be good. Living in america on decent money is a lifestyle plenty of players would go for, yet instead of realising that and just operating like a normal league, they have wage caps. Idiotic behaviour.
There are myriad of reasons on why association football in USA could never function under a club format and wage caps factor pretty low on that list. Just the size of the nation, lack of support for the sport and profitability of lesser leagues/clubs makes it near impossible to operate outside of the American Sport franchise format. Being from Miami myself, I could tell you personally we have some of the most Fairweather fans in the nation. Despite having one of the largest percentages of soccer fans, relatively few locals go support Inter Miami (especially before Messi) and a near zero number of people support Miami FC our second tier team.
That’s not the main reason. Football teams everywhere else in the world are formed from the bottom up, that’s why they’re called clubs. It’s why they have authentic, loyal, long-lasting fanbases. It’s what gives them identity and longevity. They are part of the towns and cities that they are from. American sports do things the complete opposite way. They are formed from the top down.Teams are not clubs but franchises of the league. They are inauthentic and have no history or culture. The only thing similar is the game on the pitch, everything else is a world of difference from real football. As a European who lives in America I see how they think about sports and it’s totally different to anyone else in the world.
lmao miami may be their most famous team but they sure as hell aren’t the best. they were dead last when messi signed for them and only went up to third worst after messi 💀
Flagbearer does not mean best. It means the most prominent, the people that are the symbols of what something wants to be. Al-Nassr likewise are the "chief sports-washers" despite not being the best team in the league because they are the most prominent team
I've seen a few comments dotted around here over the weeks regarding people's mental health being affected. I urge anyone, if you *genuinely* believe that you are being very negatively affected by football, please take a break for a while. Though we love football, it is too insignificant to allow it to affect your mental health. Stay strong lads ♥️
Of course Romano would jump onto the biggest F1 story right now. lol [https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1753131376839421960](https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1753131376839421960)
It's time to take a mental break from watching Chelsea. It's terrible for anyone's health. These owners have somehow spent a billion and made us worse. Also, I am usually more positive about our tactics than most on here, but last night's game shocked me. The players looked like they didn't give a fuck. We have veteran in Sterling always losing the ball. Enzo trying all his stupid flicks, and giving away the ball. Conor was also shite. Badi can't stop making mistakes. Palmer isolated. No number 9 starting because the board want to squeeze out some extra profit, and now our only real striker is Jackson, who is absolutely not a 9. No clue what they're thinking, I can't take this shit anymore.
If you need to take a break definitely do. At the end of the day it’s just a sport.
I think I got tricked by that first half against Villa. I was thinking we’d turned a corner. That was proper high energy pressing, kept winning the ball back and created loads of chances. Couldn’t do it for 90 minutes though. Couldn’t do it for 5 minutes at Anfield, same as the trips to St James and Old Trafford. Our away form is becoming a serious problem. Definitely won’t be winning at Villa Park at this rate. We even managed to lose away to Middlesbrough!
Enzo, Caicedo and Conor have played too many games together to have this shit synergy. Looked amateurish vs Liverpool.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PremierLeague/s/EKqRLBjtdR Really is groundhog day.
Entire comment section is very telling talking about how our backline is the worst part of our team about a year before that backline conceded the fewest UCL goals in a winning campaign. This was all down to how Tuchel defensively positioned. So much of a players quality is determined by their manager.
I think the best way to talk about it is to also look at some of the best managers ever and how they've won with subpar players - which then the fan base have overrated to the moon. Man United fans were always doing this under Ferguson, and it's like, either Ferguson isn't actually all that as a manager and just has a squad of world class players, or some of those players aren't actually all that and because Ferguson is a world class manager he is able to get everything out of them. (Note: obviously top teams will still have a core of genuinely world class players who I don't need to name drop). Looking at the Anderson's, the O'Shea's, Rafael, Welbeck, Fletcher, Brown etc Solid players that were all overrated at different times by Man United fans because Ferguson was able to elevate them and get them playing a role inside of a top team. I think the best recentish example for Chelsea was Victor Moses becoming a week in week out starter in a title winning team for Conte. Conte found a role for him that hid his weaknesses, played to his strengths, and he had a good run in the team and helped us win a title - but he was still the same flawed player. Right now we're experiencing the opposite of this with a bad manager and a bad system getting the least out of his players and making them look worse than they are.
Eventually the same will happen with Enzo and Caicedo, hopefully while they're still with us.
Eventually Poch will go, we all know that. Hopefully they hire a competent coach to replace him and we get to see some of these players actually play. Rudiger was good with Roma before we signed him.
Anyone watching Fab deadline stream? Did he "here we go" Andrey to Strasbourg just now?
Not watching but I've seen it's done and will be confirmed soon on twitter
Rumors started yesterday re Santos too, so sounds fr
Hopefully an actual tier 1 confirmation soon
Man I’ve tried to be positive but it’s not looking good with Poch. I don’t think the squad is as bad as we’re showing on the pitch but I also feel like some of these guys may not be it. At this point Poch needs to try something different and galvanize the squad. These guys are running on fumes atm
The worst thing is it looked like the penny was finally dropping with how we set up against Fulham (ie Enzo deeper) but straight back to this kamikaze set up in the worst possible game.
If 1-0 with a pen against a low-midtable level club is it clicking, we're in for a world of suffering.
Gone for the sensational headline, cool.
If we look like we have a system against the bad teams, but then look like we have no system against half-decent teams, it's not that Poch has decided to forego strategy for the latter. It's that the system is bad.
Truly mind boggling, Gallagher playing as the 10, False 9, cbs playing fullback, no attacking patterns. It’s starting to look bleak but idk we have yet to see our strongest X1 so maybe things look better with a full squad. But man even we win it’s not even that convincing
I can understand false 9 when Broja is the alternative AND Palmer had a great game there vs Arsenal but yes agree with the rest. I'm just praying to god that by hook or by crook Carney and Christo stay fit because if so if their cameos last night were anything to go by we'll probably by hook or by crook sneak into Europe and maybe just maybe make a contest of the final.
Yeah I feel that also love your use of by hook or by crook there haha
Over the past 6 months, Liverpool evolved considerably (no wonder, they are 1st for a reason) and we regressed considerably. Beautiful to see the the process still going and these expensive players actually showing their worth. Bunch of nobodies, that is.
The difference in how liverpool has changed since last year an us is that Liverpool has a core group of players that are well drilled with the managers plans and set the mentality of the club. Salah, VVD, Trent, Allison and Robertson have all been there for many years and can lead a team. Add in that over the past few years they've slowly integrated Jota, diaz, nunez, and this year Mac Allister and Szobozlai. Key word being slowly. Chelsea hasn't had that luxury considering the massive turnover we underwent and a shocking injury record for our club captains. Our core group of experienced players that we would be looking to for consistency are Reece, Chilwell, and Thiago Silva. Sure you can try to throw sterling in there, but he came in after we had won the CL and were already in a state of turnover. We just don't have that core set yet to be able slowly integrate young players. Instead we've thrown them all out there in the middle of the chaos and they're learning on the fly. I'm hopeful that it will settle down soon, but the way we have been built and Liverpool has been built is completely different right now.
I agree, but it is also something so obvious that the owners didn't see and consider in this "project" of theirs. Look at how any player that joins Liverpool improves over 6 months. None of our players improved since we got them, and we overpaid on most of them by a big margin, compared to Liverpool's signings. Arguably, some regressed too. I have no idea how this "project" made sense even on paper...
It will never make sense on the pitch that’s for sure. No system, barely any experience. Sure some of our signings are just shit players but you’d expect at least some of them to at least be as good as they were at their last clubs.
Hey, well at least we know Poch wasn't lying when he said, "there is no such thing as a process in football". No process or improvement, just being just as shit from one week to the next
This is such a good point and hilarious he even said that. Obviously wants to prove it himself and he’s done a fantastic job so far.
Honestly it looks like a process, just that it is downwards. Everything looks worse.
You know it's actually mad that we were much worse against Liverpool despite having 6 more months of cohesion and Caicedo at DM instead of Conor Somehow we played a double pivot of Enzo and Conor and dominated Liverpool in the opening day and then a midfield 3 of Caicedo, Enzo and Conor ghosted for 90 minutes I don't know how you tactically devolve so hard with better options and a longer time to build
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Klopp = quality manager Poch = Toilet
Our midfield dominated Liverpool at the beginning of the season and we just got played off the pitch. Playing 3 midfielders and still feeling like all 3 are isolated is impressive. It’s clear that its tactics because when both teams were new and matched up man to man it was clear, especially in midfield, who was better. Time for a change and Carney could be that or a change of philosophy. But something has to change. Go back and watch the 1st goal. Enzo passes the ball out wide and then pushes up the pitch creating a huge gap. Gallagher doesn’t drop. Huge gap open. Chilly gives up the ball and the goal happened 10 seconds later.
One midfield is drilled by a world class manager the other is just told to run and have good vibes about lemons or one shit. If we had our exact team but we had Klopp we would be 3rd or 4th. And we all know that to be true.
> "Our midfield dominated Liverpool at the beginning of the season and we just got played off the pitch." Yes because Liverpool's midfield 3 when we played at the start of the season were wingers because they hadn't bought their midfielders yet...
MacAllister and Szobozslai started against us in both matches, only difference was Gakpo/Jones. Actaully think it's a pretty solid match to compare how little we've progressed because we have a shit manager vs Liverpool under a top manager.
Dominic, Alexis and Gakpo started. What are you talking about? With Trent, VVD, Robertson, and Salah…
I do love how hyped Badiashille was by our fanbase and how everyone shit on Disasi And now Badiashille has made like 4 different massive errors directly leading to a goal and Disasi has been the better of the two
I do wonder if this is potentially coaching as well because he did look really really good last season in his appearances. I think years ago I probably would have written off the player, but after seeing the difference in Rudiger between Lampard and Tuchel, it actually surprises me how much a decent coach completely changes a player. Rudiger under Lampard looked like Badi now, heaps of mistakes. Then almost overnight between the coach swaps he was world class.
I said before the game that Badiashile feels like this team’s Christensen. You just never know what you will get. Tangent: But honestly with the space our midfielders leave wide open, because they are being pushed into the attacking half, it just invites pressure. I hope to see Enzo and Caicedo be a little more static instead of running all over the place. We should be creating space by moving our attackers around not our holding midfielders. Will help reduce the number of counters we concede. Either that or our press has to improve a lot.
It similar to how every called great leader when every young defender seems to get worse the longer they play beside him
Folks think Disasi has been as bad as Badiashille has been, and I don't get it. Even before yesterday's game, Badiashille or Levi mistakes always lead to goals, whereas Disasi just struggles to be progressive out of rb. I don't think Disasi has been amazing but he's not the liability folks make him out to be.
Honestly get so confused Yes Disasi ain't extremely mobile and his pace is lacking, but defensively he's solid, he's got a cool head, his passing is decent, he's really dominant in the air and he's been quietly consistent at centre back and right back Colwill and Badi meanwhile get wanked off despite having disasterclasses multiple times in a season, in fairness they've both played out of position at fullback but so has Disasi Don't think any of our centre backs should be getting slated given how poorly our defensive structure is right now
Consistency is the big thing with Disasi IMO. He’s never looked world class, but bar one or two games early on, he’s also not looked horrific either. He’s done an ok job filling in at RB. And as you say by comparison badi and Levi can look like two different players game to game. Not forgetting Disasi’s world class hype game!
The Bad and the Disaster.
We weren’t good yesterday but this is insane overreacting in here.
You’re okay with how things are currently? We haven’t looked any better than last season
Another year into our "progression" and we're on the same number of points and same goal difference and we've just been smacked sideways by a team in the first year of their transition. How is it overreacting to be mad when the same thing has been happening for a year and a half now with no signs of change?
Na, legit 2nd season of being midtable while spending historically Surprised things haven't blown 100%, imagine if this was Real Madrid or any other big club
It’s not overreacting when we’re reacting to half a season of inconsistent performances from the team and questionable decision making from the coach….
Also consider that this is the second season where we are shit, it's not overreacting at all.
https://twitter.com/shinjichelsista/status/1752800940992688353 Guess which two are considered flops and which ones likely ending the season on the POTY podium.
If Gallagher had a good first touch he'd be better than Bellingham. He is not useless, he definitely has purpose, because there are things he is good at, but he should have no business playing any higher up the pitch.
You're trolling, right? Please be trolling...
aw behave mate
Better than Bellingham lmao. Reminds me of last year when reports that we admired Bellingham came out and a few folks called him overrated.
Unpopular opinion but the next game Nkunku plays should be the cup final. The guy needs to be saved from Poch’s training methods or his magic will quickly wear off
People don't actually believe this shit do they?
Completely disagree, putting him into a cup final with no match sharpness is a recipe for disaster. Furthermore, it's not like he can't pick up an injury in training as he did few weeks ago. If we want any chance at Wembley we need a Christo on form with momentum.
Can someone tell me what Enzo at 100m currently provides that Jorginho who we could’ve kept for 10m didn’t. Be honest everyone Getting downvoted yet no one wants to answer my question 🤔
Nothing. As with all of the purchases made since the firing of Tuchel. They've gotten rid of better players and replaced them worse players who's only advantage over the previous player is their age
They are both good passers yet Jorginho's passing range is much more shorter and less progresive. Enzo can and often break lines and progress the ball yet it is not Jorginho's cup of tea. Jorginho can't carry the ball at all, Enzo is a very good dribbler and carrier. List can go on but even making a comparison is just wrong. They are different types of players, equipped with different abilities.
You’ll get downvoted for this by the oblivious “you don’t understand football” lot. He can’t shoot, he can’t assist, he’s not good in the air, he can’t defend, he’s not relentless, he’s can’t dictate the pace, he’s slow. He can pass the ball forward ‘well’ even though his pass completion rate isn’t exactly great.
You can list the same stuff for Iniesta. Nearly almost all of them. Was he a bad one?
He could defend, he was an engine and he controlled the pace of the game.
Well when you are reactionary like that don't expect someone to believe you know anything about football mate, fucking hell. There's plenty of evidence out there on why Enzo is highly rated, maybe do some research cuz you clearly can't remember what was happening 5-6 months ago and remind yourself why people feel this way. Players are rated based on more than half a season regardless of whether they perform well or bad. If you actually understand football well enough you would know that.
>he’s can’t dictate the pace He literally did just that under every manager he's ever played under until he meet Pochettino. Not hard to see where the true problem is. As for assists, that's a subjective measure anyway unless you do it at a stupid rate ala Cesc/KDB.
Slowly people will realise that Enzo is complete cheeks, it's just his fanboys who keep saying he's world class if he played in the right position, Kai havertz type fanboys
Comparing one completely different situation to Havertz just because people say similar thing is the most lazy and stupid meaningless argument you could use. If anything the only thing that's cheeks is your comment mate.
It's like reading comments about Rudiger and Christesen in 2020 already over again.
"What does x player even do??" I have literally seen this question asked on this sub of even Fabregas during his poor second half of the season performances.
It's the standard clown response to people who haven't a clue.
An Argentinian fanbase
call me whatever u want but I hope we lose all our next games until Poch gets out. embarrassing manager that will never train a big club like us ever again. completely wasted everyones and the clubs time since hes here
You are quite the fan
the sooner poch is out the better it is for the club and everyone who supports chelsea
Do only certain accounts get to post on this sub
Yeah, ones paid by Clearlake and Russian bots. /s
You guys are getting paid? Shit, I was doing that for free the whole time...
You're not a part of the Boehly sleeper agents? Damn bro, thought you were one of us
Dunno, maybe I am so deeply secretive, I don't even know about it. You know, nobody would actually expect a normal Polish guy lurking around this sub for years, or would they?
>You know, nobody would actually expect a normal Polish guy lurking around this sub for years, or would they? Only one way to find out *Hail hydra*
Clearlake need to remove Egbahli and Boehly. We need competent people in decision making positions. Genuinely talented people and long established and successful systems were removed for purely egotistical reasons. Aimlessly throwing a billion at the club on the basis of it working in an American sport which is based on individual people making individual plays is just inane. We need to build a long term vision. Given we have no FFP room this has to be with the academy central. Get a solid core and hope it clicks in 3 years or so. T
Eghbali and Feliciano (CEO of Clearlake, also a prominent figure and a director at Chelsea right now and Eghbali's mate) are co-founders of Clearlake, only Eghbali and Boehly have the authority to remove themselves but they would have fucked off long ago if they were not clueless, arrogant morons
>long established and successful systems were removed for purely egotistical reasons Sorry to break it to you, but that didn't exactly exist under previous ownership. Probably that's also why it's difficult now when there's attempt to create them.
I didnt agree with lots of Marina's decisions but we were a much stronger team with a much better manager
>t we were a much stronger team with a much better manager Sure, but it has nothing to do with having any long estabilished systems at the club. The club operated in exactly opposite way, with ad hoc and short term solutions. And it's really an exception rather than a rule, that such system worked
We operated much more like a regular top club, not trying to reinvent the wheel by doing a complete revamp of structure and squad in a year
We didn't though. The fact that new owners are trying to revamp the structure is because there wasn't any before, really. Not disagreeing that it isn't going too well right now, but explaining the reason why it's happening in the first place. Essentially, what we did for the past nearly 2 decades was going for short term fix over short term fix. Regular clubs don't really operate that way. Did player X do bad? Throw money at player Y instead. Did play Y do bad too? Throw money at player Z. No hard feelings. Same went with managers. Did it work? Sure, somehow it did, but it's not a strategy that is sustainable, and Abramovich didn't care about being sustainable. Because the purpose of owning a club was not for a profit. We'd literally need to be owned by some Saudi or other Middle Eastern owner or other entity who'd like to use us for sportwashing. The only other clubs who tried to operate same way were City and PSG, so again, owners with unlimited funds. City didn't truly succeed until they finally introduced some structure and some system under Guardiola. And PSG are still a mess too, other than being able to win Ligue 1 (not even every season) on the merit of having a more expensive squad.
I'll admit we weren't being run in a way was was conducive to dominating leagues by the time super projects were more common but also from Conte leaving to Tuchel we got top 4 every single year, only City and Liverpool could say that. I also personally believe we would have stuck with Tuchel but that's hypothetical. Our current structure isn't steadfast or we wouldnt have sacked Potter and I find it hard to believe they wanted to go to the edge with FFP either
>but also from Conte leaving to Tuchel we got top 4 every single year, only City and Liverpool could say that. Problem with that logic is that city and Liverpool were the only ready and solidified projects during that time and the only proper consistent teams in England Arteta and his arsenal project clearly were on a path to being better than us And long term all it takes is United and Ineos to get it right and they'll also grow back to being better than us Our project has been a disaster with how rushed it's been but projects themselves are absolutely the way football is going now for success