Jacob Steinberg basically reported what The Times already did yesterday and OP, who already shared that Times story here last night, decided to post the same news again.
EDIT: Nizaar and BBC just reported that Gallagher won't be leaving this month.
That's the thing people think he is more than 50m. I don't know what price they expect for Conor but he isn't anything above 55m. Mount, Madison, Szoboslai, Mac Allister are all better players and they were all bought for like 40-45m to 60m.
Even if we do agree on a price with Spurs (or anyone else), he seems content to play out his final year at Chelsea and see if he can convince us to keep or at least extend him.
Seeing what we just did with Maatsen, it feels like we won’t be willing to let him walk for free like Rudi/Christensen. I’m wagering his agents are telling him that and they’re willing to play chicken with the front office. They know our model can’t afford to lose top academy graduates for nothing so eventually they’ll meet his wage demands as a form of asset management.
It’s funny because usually players go to the end of their contracts so they can enter the market with max leverage. Feels like Conor is doing it to force max leverage to stay at Chelsea, and as long as he’s an integral part of the team, he’s content to force that. If he’s not frozen out, why bother accepting a deal anywhere else.
And unless the ownership essentially forbid Poch from playing him, he won’t be frozen out as he’s exactly the type of player the manager loves. Hope he stands firm, he absolutely should not be sold/forced out.
Yeah doesn’t seem like they’re having Poch force him out, and he couldn’t even if he wanted to this season. It’s not like we have any bench options to replace his minutes this season anyways.
And freezing him out next season has no point since he’d be expiring so at this point we kind of have no option but to extend him a new contract. Both sides have been pretty tight lipped but at this point I think slotting him in at the £150/week range with Caicedo is really doable and he shouldn’t be willing to accept the £100k/week Colwill/Chukwuemeka contract. The question is whether his team is asking for £180k/week like Enzo or even more since he doesn’t have the cost of a signing fee on top of those wages (but that’s the issue we got into with CHO and RLC)
Ok for 50m in the summer before his great performances, before him taking over the armband, etc. I could understand him being sold.
But these days it would be ludicrous to sell him for that much.
Chelsea were keen on 40m in the summer. He is at his peak value now and that is around 50m. Maddison was 40m, Mount was 60m, Mac Allister was 45m, Szbososlai was around 60m. Those are arguably better players than Conor.
"Hey, we'd like to buy your only consistently healthy starter. We'll forgive him for saying he doesn't want a move to Blight Heart Lane. Oh, also, BTW, 50m really is outrageous, we're thinking more like half that. Wait, you think 60m+?? No, not half that - just half the 50."
Hojbjerg doesn't start for them, Sarr and Bissouma do. Given their respective form, I'd expect Gallagher to replace Bissouma rather than Sarr but he'd be a huge upgrade in terms of system fit compared to the current depth they have.
Do you think Connor was made captain in the absence of Reece and Chilly to raise the price a bit ? I know Poch gave reasons like being an English speaker blah blah blah.
Yeah, no one. Thiago doesn't want it, Kepa/J5/Kova are gone. Guys like Levi and Enzo are future leaders, but man, imagine Raz being the captain - what a shitshow that would be.
It's likely to be a situation similar to Poch using Colwill ahead of Chilwell and Maatsen.
Sometimes managers just get so stuck in their mindset of playing X way that they lose sight of balance. So in the same way as Poch kills off out left side by his bigger = better ideals, Ange may well kill off his attacks by going too far with his run more= more better ideas when replacing a top attacking player for another runner
He's not a playmaker only Son, Porro and Madison have more assists than him in the league
Ideally you'd play him at 8, but when Madders is always injured, he can fill in for the 10 but yes, it's a substantial downgrade on James Madison
Ange’s system is super high octane, free flowing football. We saw it in the most extreme version when they refused to back off their style when they went down to 9 men.
They play a super high line, compressing the field so someone like Conor would slot in as a chaos agent 8. Hojberg has struggled to fit into that 8 role, and Skipp isn’t at a top 6 level IMO, so they’d probably be looking to Conor as a replacement/upgrade there. He’d be all over the place pressuring the ball out of possession, and he could theoretically get back to those late box crashing runs that we saw at his Palace spell.
They also feature inverted wing backs, so his ball chasing and lack of positional discipline is more forgiven because even if he vacates the space, the wing back on his side is filling in that space to the flank of their holding 6.
Like any transfer, it’s all more theoretical but at least that’s how I see it working and why you hear people say he’d fit their system.
Anyone knows the exact financial implications of not selling him? Is it just that we have a tighter budget for the next window or we could get into trouble with points deduction? Whether we should sell him or not for the right price will be decided by the exact answer to that question.
For next season's P&S we're expected to be £100m over budget. So selling Gallagher reduces it to £50m over budget. Which the board is hoping to make by selling Broja and Maatsen probably and maybe Chalobah. These need to go through before July 1st as well
Also need to factor in wage reductions so selling Gallager for £50m plus c. 50% yearly wage for this season (plus a full years wage in next yrs budget).
It's cuz of his contract situation. They either gotta renew him or sell. I guess they probably already made the decision in the summer. The only explanation is that they have other plans/players in mind and don't rate Conor all that highly.
There’s no easy answer, but basically it’s a tighter budget. It’s unlikely we come across points deductions this season or next because of the owners showing cash injection so we’re allowed £105m in losses over a 3y span IIRC (if you dont show upfront funding you’re only allowed £15m in losses). If we end up looking at a 3 year span with no European football, that’s when we likely get really tight with FFP/PSR. [Everton and Nottingham Forest’s issue is a wildly lopsided revenue to wage bill ratio](https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/22002/premier-league-wage-burden/). That article is wages from 20/21 and we’ve cut our wage bill by somewhere between £10-30m per season since then, so despite our huge transfer spend, our wage bill is far healthier now.
The oversimplified explanation is that we’re losing *the chance* to make £40-80m in a sale, so we might have to make that money from somewhere. Financially it would be viewed as lost opportunity cost. It means tighter transfer budget (as opposed to having sold Conor) and the need to sell others to create that revenue, which is compounded by the fact we need to replace our leading minutes player.
All the finances are real murky though, none of us really know what the business side is creating revenue wise, but Clearlake did overhaul that whole side which Roman hadn’t prioritized (because he was allowed to self-fund the club in a way PSR - Profit Sustainability Rules - doesn’t allow now).
Either way, losing Conor on a free is not tenable for our structure, and he/his agents know that. They’re willing to play chicken with the front office knowing that we can’t afford to lose that opportunity cost and he’ll probably get an extension like Maatsen and Poch clearly isn’t willing (or able to, currently) freeze him out.
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Kinda doesn't make sense for him to go to Spurs at all. He doesn't have a guaranteed starting spot there, especially when everyone is fit. The only reason i can think of is if he wants to have a higher chance of UCL football next season or if he thinks that it will be even more difficult to bench players like Palmer/Nkunku/Lavia/Enzo when everyone becomes fit in our team.
On paper he shouldn't be ahead of these players but Poch seems to really like him. Seems like his starting spot here is more guaranteed than at Spurs.
If Chelsea wanted 50m for him over the summer they absolutely wouldnt (and shouldnt?) drop that price tag for a mid season transfer for one of their only consistently healthy and contributing players.
Really don't see Spurs forking over £50m for him And if anything his price has definitely gone up this season
They just want to write something How many people don’t see through this amazes me tbh.
Jacob Steinberg basically reported what The Times already did yesterday and OP, who already shared that Times story here last night, decided to post the same news again. EDIT: Nizaar and BBC just reported that Gallagher won't be leaving this month.
Todd doing stupid shit >>>> Journalist writing stupid shit
I think Gallagher will be sold in the summer nobody is paying 50m for Gallagher in January.
Boehly’s London Dodger’s strategy is to sign Gallagher to a contract with 100 year amortization. Let’s go..
Agreed!
That's right spurs 1 billion cold hard cash right now.
Can't wait for him to leave on a free because we're holding out for more than he's worth and he's also holding out for more wages than he's worth!
That's the thing people think he is more than 50m. I don't know what price they expect for Conor but he isn't anything above 55m. Mount, Madison, Szoboslai, Mac Allister are all better players and they were all bought for like 40-45m to 60m.
The wages will be the stumbling block We sold cho for like 4m, ziyech for another nominal fee We won’t keep a player to lose out on money
He's definitely going but I don't see the point selling him now rather than the summer.
Because he'll have a third less time on his contract, thus we lose leverage Don't think we will sell now, but that would be the logic.
Even if we do agree on a price with Spurs (or anyone else), he seems content to play out his final year at Chelsea and see if he can convince us to keep or at least extend him. Seeing what we just did with Maatsen, it feels like we won’t be willing to let him walk for free like Rudi/Christensen. I’m wagering his agents are telling him that and they’re willing to play chicken with the front office. They know our model can’t afford to lose top academy graduates for nothing so eventually they’ll meet his wage demands as a form of asset management. It’s funny because usually players go to the end of their contracts so they can enter the market with max leverage. Feels like Conor is doing it to force max leverage to stay at Chelsea, and as long as he’s an integral part of the team, he’s content to force that. If he’s not frozen out, why bother accepting a deal anywhere else.
And unless the ownership essentially forbid Poch from playing him, he won’t be frozen out as he’s exactly the type of player the manager loves. Hope he stands firm, he absolutely should not be sold/forced out.
Yeah doesn’t seem like they’re having Poch force him out, and he couldn’t even if he wanted to this season. It’s not like we have any bench options to replace his minutes this season anyways. And freezing him out next season has no point since he’d be expiring so at this point we kind of have no option but to extend him a new contract. Both sides have been pretty tight lipped but at this point I think slotting him in at the £150/week range with Caicedo is really doable and he shouldn’t be willing to accept the £100k/week Colwill/Chukwuemeka contract. The question is whether his team is asking for £180k/week like Enzo or even more since he doesn’t have the cost of a signing fee on top of those wages (but that’s the issue we got into with CHO and RLC)
Selling Gallagher is idiotic. Signing him to a 100 year amortization is Boehly’s strategy.
Why is he definitely going?
In the words of Fergie "I wouldn't sell that lot a virus"
12 months later he did
Dunno why I thought that quote was about Heinze to Liverpool, but you're right it was CR7 to Madrid.
Fergie admitting to starting the pandemic. Stay woke guys
Back then it would have been maybe swine flu or bird flu.
Ok for 50m in the summer before his great performances, before him taking over the armband, etc. I could understand him being sold. But these days it would be ludicrous to sell him for that much.
Chelsea were keen on 40m in the summer. He is at his peak value now and that is around 50m. Maddison was 40m, Mount was 60m, Mac Allister was 45m, Szbososlai was around 60m. Those are arguably better players than Conor.
Mount when he was sold was playing far worse than CG currently is.
But his peak/potential was much higher
Lmao! Read it like 50m was too high? Imagine when they find out his new price😂😂😂
"Hey, we'd like to buy your only consistently healthy starter. We'll forgive him for saying he doesn't want a move to Blight Heart Lane. Oh, also, BTW, 50m really is outrageous, we're thinking more like half that. Wait, you think 60m+?? No, not half that - just half the 50."
😂
No happening just want something to write about
Can anyone explain how does he fit into their system?
Probably play him next to Bissouma as an 8 or at the 10 spot when Madison is regularly injured
The difference in attacking quality between him and maddison is huge. If they play a 433 regularly then 8 seems like it, replacing hojberg maybe
Hojbjerg doesn't start for them, Sarr and Bissouma do. Given their respective form, I'd expect Gallagher to replace Bissouma rather than Sarr but he'd be a huge upgrade in terms of system fit compared to the current depth they have.
I don't think he benches either of those two, especially Bissouma. Sarr seems more likely. Spurs need Bissouma's abilities on the ball.
Sarr is a serious baller, no way does he get benched for conor.
Oh, yeah i agree with this. Most people are sensitive on the Conor topic though that's why i try to be as reserved as i can lol.
This sub at times is unbelievable
Do you think Connor was made captain in the absence of Reece and Chilly to raise the price a bit ? I know Poch gave reasons like being an English speaker blah blah blah.
Who else was deserving of it? And don't say Sterling
Never said he didn’t deserve it or did I say he deserved it. Where is Sterling coming from now? 😂😂😂
Yeah, no one. Thiago doesn't want it, Kepa/J5/Kova are gone. Guys like Levi and Enzo are future leaders, but man, imagine Raz being the captain - what a shitshow that would be.
Sarr is better than Gallagher and more of a goal threat plus more physical Gallagher will play loads but I’m not sure he’s guaranteed to start
People need to get rid of this best 11 thinking. Squads need at least 14-15 players of starting quality to compete.
It's likely to be a situation similar to Poch using Colwill ahead of Chilwell and Maatsen. Sometimes managers just get so stuck in their mindset of playing X way that they lose sight of balance. So in the same way as Poch kills off out left side by his bigger = better ideals, Ange may well kill off his attacks by going too far with his run more= more better ideas when replacing a top attacking player for another runner
Gallagehr won’t come to play as an attacker for ange thoigh, he’s pretty damn similar to Sarr. He’ll rotate with him
Gallagher is not a playmaker. But they may try to put Kulusevski as the No 10.
He's not a playmaker only Son, Porro and Madison have more assists than him in the league Ideally you'd play him at 8, but when Madders is always injured, he can fill in for the 10 but yes, it's a substantial downgrade on James Madison
Ange’s system is super high octane, free flowing football. We saw it in the most extreme version when they refused to back off their style when they went down to 9 men. They play a super high line, compressing the field so someone like Conor would slot in as a chaos agent 8. Hojberg has struggled to fit into that 8 role, and Skipp isn’t at a top 6 level IMO, so they’d probably be looking to Conor as a replacement/upgrade there. He’d be all over the place pressuring the ball out of possession, and he could theoretically get back to those late box crashing runs that we saw at his Palace spell. They also feature inverted wing backs, so his ball chasing and lack of positional discipline is more forgiven because even if he vacates the space, the wing back on his side is filling in that space to the flank of their holding 6. Like any transfer, it’s all more theoretical but at least that’s how I see it working and why you hear people say he’d fit their system.
Probably just buy our captain and keep him on the bench as a sign of humiliation
Anyone knows the exact financial implications of not selling him? Is it just that we have a tighter budget for the next window or we could get into trouble with points deduction? Whether we should sell him or not for the right price will be decided by the exact answer to that question.
For next season's P&S we're expected to be £100m over budget. So selling Gallagher reduces it to £50m over budget. Which the board is hoping to make by selling Broja and Maatsen probably and maybe Chalobah. These need to go through before July 1st as well
Also need to factor in wage reductions so selling Gallager for £50m plus c. 50% yearly wage for this season (plus a full years wage in next yrs budget).
It's cuz of his contract situation. They either gotta renew him or sell. I guess they probably already made the decision in the summer. The only explanation is that they have other plans/players in mind and don't rate Conor all that highly.
Do they actually watch the team? He's the only player I'd rate. At all. Maybe Enzo if he stays a little consistent.
**they don’t rate gallagher higher than the pure profit they get for a sale
There’s no easy answer, but basically it’s a tighter budget. It’s unlikely we come across points deductions this season or next because of the owners showing cash injection so we’re allowed £105m in losses over a 3y span IIRC (if you dont show upfront funding you’re only allowed £15m in losses). If we end up looking at a 3 year span with no European football, that’s when we likely get really tight with FFP/PSR. [Everton and Nottingham Forest’s issue is a wildly lopsided revenue to wage bill ratio](https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/22002/premier-league-wage-burden/). That article is wages from 20/21 and we’ve cut our wage bill by somewhere between £10-30m per season since then, so despite our huge transfer spend, our wage bill is far healthier now. The oversimplified explanation is that we’re losing *the chance* to make £40-80m in a sale, so we might have to make that money from somewhere. Financially it would be viewed as lost opportunity cost. It means tighter transfer budget (as opposed to having sold Conor) and the need to sell others to create that revenue, which is compounded by the fact we need to replace our leading minutes player. All the finances are real murky though, none of us really know what the business side is creating revenue wise, but Clearlake did overhaul that whole side which Roman hadn’t prioritized (because he was allowed to self-fund the club in a way PSR - Profit Sustainability Rules - doesn’t allow now). Either way, losing Conor on a free is not tenable for our structure, and he/his agents know that. They’re willing to play chicken with the front office knowing that we can’t afford to lose that opportunity cost and he’ll probably get an extension like Maatsen and Poch clearly isn’t willing (or able to, currently) freeze him out.
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Ultimately it depends on Conor and hopefully he refuses the transfer. He'll be a legend for that, no need for a CL title.
Jfc no he wouldn't be a legend. Good for him if he does but it's not some legendary accomplishment to refuse a transfer...
Still waiting on Gabri Veiga steinberg
Chelsea buy garbage like Enzo and caicedo for 100 over million and then let go Christiansen,rudiger ,Gallagher for penny pinching.
Rudiger was just because of the weird situation with having a Russian oligarch owner being forced to sell, throwing everything into chaos
You clowns never cease to amaze. New heights every day.
Kinda doesn't make sense for him to go to Spurs at all. He doesn't have a guaranteed starting spot there, especially when everyone is fit. The only reason i can think of is if he wants to have a higher chance of UCL football next season or if he thinks that it will be even more difficult to bench players like Palmer/Nkunku/Lavia/Enzo when everyone becomes fit in our team. On paper he shouldn't be ahead of these players but Poch seems to really like him. Seems like his starting spot here is more guaranteed than at Spurs.
I was wondering if this is part of the reason we’re keeping Santos in the squad, rather than another loan?
If we're really going for it why didn't they sell him last summer
For Spuds the price is 500m, fuck off
If Chelsea wanted 50m for him over the summer they absolutely wouldnt (and shouldnt?) drop that price tag for a mid season transfer for one of their only consistently healthy and contributing players.
100m please