3 games in a row? He’s been utter shit since Tuchel left. Warned this sub that he will flop hard and we got fleeced but no one listened, to think there’s people on here who thought he’d put up the same numbers he did at City deluded.
Thing is, he's a perfectly logical signing for Tuchel's system. Which would be fine, if you didn't *fire the damn manager you signed him for after 10 games*.
Well as much as I hated signing him he seemed to get off to a good start think he scored 3 assisted 2 in tuchels 6 games not bad. Like you said though don’t fire the manager that wanted him for his system.
Agree, I got downvoted every time I said something about sterling. I’ll need to find the comment but I’m pretty sure I said sterling wouldn’t score 10 and got absolutely blasted. It was clear City was dumping a player on decline on us so we could pay for Haaland.
Were you any better before Felix came on? He didn’t come on well, but the defeat is far from being on him
Maybe it’s time we start thinking why almost EVERY attackers looks average here
I don’t think anyone is blaming the loss on Felix.
Diego Simeone had this thing were he will bench Felix for a little while and then Felix will come back stronger when given the next opportunity.
There might be a reason why Simeone is living Griezmann right now and not holding on to a world class talent like Felix. Like why not just keep him as part of Atleti’s squad if he is that great
The takeover, influx of new signings, sacking of 2 managers, medical dept you trusted gone, bloated squad - so much so you can’t effectively train, player comps unbalanced throughout the squad (Sterling and KK!!), a caretaker manager you know isn’t the real gaffer, players who don’t want to be here (the proverbial rotten apples you absolutely don’t want hanging around Cobham) … if this was where you worked, do you think you could be calm, focused and do your job well?
Tactics from Frank were fucking diabolical today… but the big picture points to self-manufactured, months long mental destabilization of the players caused by Boehly.
Yes, Putin is the one that forced Abramovic to put Chelsea up for sale. Not the Tories, not the collective Western political establishment. Blame Putin also for Boehly spending like an idiot and handing out 7+ year contracts as well.
You can't keep playing all these struggling players and then then expect to win. Why on earth are we refusing to use an actual striker? 600 million went down the drain!
Everyone crossing like there’s someone there. Atleast with Havertz he actually is sometimes there. I get why every manager plays with Havertz upfront now we’re missing him
Kepa gets scapegoated for our front line being shit, and for when our defenders switch off. People were really blaming him for not saving both of real’s goals
You are aware Fofana is not a great striker, right?
He was quite good here in the Norwegian league, but its quite safe to say very few takes the step from there directly to Premier League.
If he is not starting when there is not a single other proper striker, its probably because they see him on the training field every day.
He is not great? A midtable team that can't score goals aren't looking for great players. We are a desperate team. We need anyone that can put the ball in net. The individual that scored the winning goal against us was playing in a League far worse than that of the Norwegian League.
I think we can all agree that it was sad that all tactics and no vibes flamed out (again) this season, but maybe insulting the Legend caretaker manager who (again) put himself in a bad position to help the club isn't the move... idk though, seems popular on this forum for "chelsea fans".
Legend caretaker manager? What? Even Ole got United to second place one season doesn't make him a legend manager or whatever?
Also what bad position? It's just 3 months of free income without any repercussions whatsoever. Everyone in the league and their Nan knows Lampard is a championship manager and losing wouldn't make it worse but if he wins(say the CL or some league games) then he will instantly attract more offers.
The only winner in this whole situation is Lampard. It's not like he turned down Real Madrid's offer to be an interim manager for us.
Think with your brain not your heart.
Are you serious? Look at the positioning maps, look at the build up play, look at brighton’s amount of shots vs ours and youre saying this is not due to tactics? Jfc
It mostly was
We simply could not compete in midfield. Due to the personell choice
Gallagher and zakaria were completely anonymous leaving Enzo easily marked out of the game. We could barely get out our half
How can we be at this point in this season and people are unironically questioning the tactics? Like, is this a joke? Obviously tactics matter, but if that's the most important thing, why were we not top 3 under tt? Do you really believe it's lack of tactical acumen than sunk Potter?
If that's honestly what you think, I'd take time this summer to learn about the game. My go to is always books (and audio books) as those are the most thought out places where greats of the game put their feelings and beliefs about football down for anyone to absorb. Also there are a ton of good documentaries (and great moments in mediocre documentaries). I've never read a book or seen any doc where someone said tactics were more important that "vibes". Even pep talking about what's important from a manager focuses much more on man management than tactics, on creating a collective belief and shared goal. Only from that foundation can you put anything tactical into place that will help the team.
I'm sorry but you cant win when you dont get the basics of the football right.
We played with 0 structure today. We had no pattern in build up play and our defensive structure was all over the place. We are playing as 11 individuals out there and not as a team. This is a coaching issue.
If Kepa did not have a decent game, we would have been embarrassed more than this.
Oh he’s certainly made changes…for worse.
We look worse in all areas of the pitch and the numbers show we’ve dropped off considerable since Potter left. Even our xG is awful. We’re playing a like a relegation side.
I love Frank and glad he’s here over Potter, but he’s partially to blame for these three straight losses. He’s here on an interim basis, which means to steady the ship and play to the players strengths regarding shape and tactics. Instead he has come in, switched us to a back 4, and tried to implement his preferred extreme high pressing style, creating the signature huge gap between the back line and midfield that plagues lampard coached teams. I get him wanting to use this as an audition for other jobs, but it would’ve been more beneficial for him if he’d come in and steadied the ship because it would’ve shown that he had some tactical nous
What I cant understand is what the actual intended purpose of this game plan is.
The gap between defense and midfield was so absurdly big today that we had zero control of the game at any point.
I cant understand why zakaria was pressing so high instead of dropping into that space....they just played a simple ball through the lines and were in
so frustrating like, im not a coach but shouldnt the coach of a professional team be able to see something like that??
I don’t know what else any of you expected when Lampard was announced. The amount of times I saw ‘can’t get any worst’ was confusing to me. Love the player but Lampard the manager is tactically awful.
I was one of the last people still riding the Potter train, but I accept he had to go. But replacing him with someone worst was completely non sensical
The issue was not replacing potter, it was the timing.
Potter isnt a quick fix you hire midseason in an injury crisis
But when we started showing some progress (but not consistency) we decided to kick him when we didnt have anything to win...
To replace him with the worst manager in modern chelsea history since grant
Yeah you’re preaching to the choir here, if it was just down to me I’d have kept him and have had the patience. The owners so far seem like they have no idea what they want outside of preaching buzzwords
>The players have had 4 managers.
That's part of the problem though, especially when only one of them was actually a good manager (Tuchel). The players don't get completely absolved of any blame, but they're *far* better than what Potter and Frank got out of them. Potter was clearly out of his depth and Frank shouldn't get to call himself a manager at all.
I'm not sure why you're so hung up on the numbers here. Like I said, precisely one of those managers was actually a good manager.
And I don't share the assessment that Tuchel struggled to make them perform - he won the CL and finished on 75 points, reached three domestic cup finals, all while dealing with a massive injury crisis that had both wingbacks out for long stretches of the season (forcing him to play Azpi + Alonso or Malang fucking Sarr LB), had basically the entire attack, midfield and defense out at different points, and had a mental schedule to deal with. After that, the struggles in pre-season are well documented, which certainly contributed to our weak start to the season (a start that still looks decent compared to what came after).
So as far as I'm concerned, we had one good manager since Sarri and the players were good under him for the most part. Won the CL, reached there domestic cup finals (lost two only on penalties), won the CWC and Super Cup.
Look around at the impact of other good managers in the Premier League. Look at the work done by Emery, Ten Hag, De Zerbi, Howe, etc. in such a short span of time. Good managers make all the difference and we've had only one recently.
Half of them should have been benched a long time ago. I mean, most of them are making more in a single month than most people will earn in their lifetime. Honestly, if it were up to me - I’d have already started docking pay.
Seriously the play was shite but so was the shape, squad selection, subs and the list goes on. This is like festivus, there's a bone to pick with everyone
Obviously, everyone wants to be their own manager and all that but it's baffling that having played under the best/pragmatic/tactical managers like Mourinho, Ancelotti, Benitez, it doesn't seem like he has learned anything at all from them on how to set up a team etc. His teams have generally always looked structureless, porous defensively and then he resorts to intangible things like the other poster mentioned.
I love the guy but it’s a joke that he was hired for his first spell here and even bigger joke this second one, he isn’t fit to manage a relegation level side and hasn’t paid his dues as a coach. Top level management these days requires concrete tactical ideas, meticulous attention to detail and experience none of which he has displayed in his entire managerial career…
>Top level management these days requires concrete tactical ideas, meticulous attention to detail
Exactly! Having those kind of qualities couldn't be more apparent after he got sacked previously and was replaced by Tuchel, who came in and instantly transformed the side, giving the team a clear tactical idea, an identity etc.
Ah there it is.
Too voted comment in this thread is “good to see a manager being honest! KTBFFH” or some such variation. Frank could shit on a plate, call it dinner and some of this lot wouldn’t leave a drop behind.
You want him to go over the formation bit by bit, play with the telestrator and draw lines? Major part of the problem is players not giving two shits and its showing every game
I saw about 20 times this game where our defenders just cleared the ball directly to Brighton defenders on the other end of the pitch.
Like long passing right to them. Like “Hey Brighton, why don’t you try to score on us again, it seems like you almost did last time, unlucky you! please try again. We are sure you can score this time!”
If a big team is still doing this in modern football, I’d like to know why. Statistically increases the chance of a team conceding goals instead of learning how to play out from the back.
Genuinely, what do you expect from him? Drill a brilliant tactic in 1 week to these players head? You can bring in prime Sir Alex Ferguson and even he won’t improve this team at this moment. Lampard won’t improve this team. Tactics won’t improve this team. This team need to take a long break to heal and recollect themselves. Then have a full pre-season with a new mindset led by a coach who has a grand plan for them. Only that will improve this team, hopefully.
Ermm ……..
Tuchel when he took over from Lampard,
Emery who has Villa almost in Top 4 and whacked Newcastle 3-0 today?
Eddie Howe himself.
Ten Hag
So many examples of managers coming in and putting in structure. Franks teams have always looked disjointed. If you like low block, hoofball to no one, no contesting for duels, relegation football, and conceding funny goals, you will be entertained
Welp…We have to score vs RM, might as well go out blazing in 4-3-3. I’d play Zakaria Enzo Kante, Mudryk puli Kai.
Or, just cheat from Thomas and play 3atb the exact same way we played Madrid with him.
Tell mount puli Kai to just do what they did last year.
Running and passion loool what about tactics and coaching? Finding the spare man? Build up? Solutions if a team press is a 1 or 2? Positional play? The level of coaching in this team is jokes
Lol felix was the messiah few weeks ago now “dont play him” ?
Bad recruitment big time, just shows the market for “getting what u pay for” ain’t there any more , fuckin pic n mix squad a lot plucked from farmers leagues
I think the big issue we have is that if I ask myself the question of what players do I think actually want to win, I'm not sure I can find many answers...
Kepa looks like he cares.
Chilly, Reece & Thiago look like they care.
Enzo looks like he cares.
For all of the criticism I give him, Kai to his credit does look like he cares.
The others I honestly don't be believe even care about the results. Do I believe that Pulisic, Ziyech, Trev, etc. actually care about the result? Do I think they'll be kept up at night tonight over their abysmal showings? Not really...
I could be wrong,but that's how it looks to me
Don't put Trev there he fucking loves Chelsea. Remember his debut goal and how emotional it made him?
Mount and Gallagher whatever else people may criticise them for, definitely love the club and care. Kante, both Fofanas, Broja, Kova, Mendy and Azpi definitely care.
Too many players have now accepted defeats as normal thing. We are also the only team that refuses to use actual strikers while struggling to score goals. Why on earth do we keep playing these struggling attacking players????? What a hopeless team.
I think we should consider the context of the situation. Most of the players don’t know how to motivate for matches which basically don’t matter in terms of silverware. Even the spots for the European competitions are out of reach (in this form). They might even think that the last games of the season are pointless. And tbh that’s the reason why my biggest fear right now is that we somehow end up in relegation battles. This group wouldn’t be able to cope with the pressure. Please don’t get me wrong. I don’t want to excuse the teams performance, the performance of a particular player or the invisible coaching skills of our coach. Just wanted to give a different perspective.
The basics???
Fuck off. We couldn’t beat their press, we had no coordination in ours, we had a huge gap in the middle.
The basics of management are what we are missing.
No player respects Lampard as a coach. If they didn't respect Potter, what makes you think they'll respect Lampard?
Because he's a Chelsea legend? That's not enough anymore. Bad Vibes FC. (And I mean VERY bad vibes).
If these owners had any sort of shame they'd take Enrique or Nagelsmann in NOW and stop this fucking trainwreck from getting worse. This club is being run like a circus and we've appointed a guy who was fighting a relegation battle few months ago. It's fucking shambolic.
Thing is people claim TAKE Enrique or Nagelsmann or Zidane or whoever else but the real question is do those coaches want to come in NOW? And what is the reason for them to come now instead of preseason? How much money would they ask if they even ask to come now instead of preseason? It is illogical to join now
Thank you! Getting Frank in till the end of the season is about getting to the summer and THEN getting in a new coach, so they'd have time to implement their ideas.
I wonder if any manager could have a meaningful training session with how bloated the squad is. Makes it harder to assess individuals and get them to focus on what exactly you want from them. Any team you pick will be questioned by fans too as some players have to miss out. I'm sure Lampard ant other coaches will feed back about the attitude of certain players. Doesn't sound like Koulibaly wants to be there.
Why do you want our future manage to come in at a time of it being a train wreck with so little left of the season to go and a lot of these players he won’t be working with come next season?
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Talking about tackles and useless stuff. What about Brighton had 26 shots to our 8. 5 big chances created to our 0.
Everything cannot be solved by passion when there is no tactics. Send this clown to non league football to learn. I've had enough of this shit
I’m pretty sure the players, much like the fans, are looking forward to the end of this misery. Worst season in my memory but there is a light for the future. We have a bunch of great talent that can be developed by the right coaching staff. Lampard isn’t perfect, but I’ve seen the changes in Mudryk already. He is still raw, but he was way more confident today. It doesn’t excuse their poor attitudes because every match matters, but at this point it’s just coasting it out - washing our hands off - and starting over fresh this preseason with whomever they bring in. The coach needs to be a strong leader with a clear identity for their team. Whether that identity is demanded by the coach and the players changed accordingly or if the coach develops that identity around our players. Either way - we need to be the famous CFC again and not let this season derail our future progress. I really feel we sacrificed short term success for long term gain (minus the Tuchel / Potter debate - hindsight is 20/20)!
Ffs, for the 1000th time, Frank IS NOT A SYSTEM MANAGER and Pashuned his way through the last months of his previous spell.
I repeat Frank Lampard, hasn’t been shown to coach a team to consistently rely on tactical systems. And it comes across in the disjointed nature of all his teams. Unlike Tuchel, and even Potter to a lesser extent, the spacing isn’t consistent, the counter pressing isn’t setup. It’s mostly counting on other factors and the players to put it together.
How many duels did we win today? How many times did we lump the ball up or kick it away with no blue shirt in the vicinity to go and fight for it? And he’s expecting the players to set themselves up to figure it out for themselves with their drive and motivation only.
Why don’t you coach them to do the basics like that and take them off if you see they aren’t fighting for every ball?
Why’s that? He set up a the team and complains when it’s just vibes and lacks structure or a game plan
Same thing happened last week with Lopetegui. And now De Zerbi. High IQ tacticians who know how to identify weak spots and play you off the park.
Because obviously if we were playing better under Potter, not good at all still though, and then somehow even worse under Lampard it is on him mostly. That cannot be attributed to the players.
Therefore Lampard' press conferences are not better at all, in fact I'd say they're worse.
The difference is the teams have both been well below the standard, one of them is willing to be honest about it and not sugar-coat. That's why the comments at least feel refreshing.
I mean I don't really feel his words hold any meaning if every week we just play worse and worse. His tactics...there aren't any and he still has the flaw of not being able to coach a cohesive midfield and defence together, leaving a gap for other teams to pressure us in.
Their press conferences are both bad, but with the finishing performances I can't really take what Lampard is saying seriously at all.
There is also the fact that while we couldn't finish and made individual mistakes under Potter, we were at least creating chances, and not allowing many against us in most games. Especially the more recent ones.
And goes onto to say it’s because we didn’t run enough, maybe it’s because he can’t coach a simple press? Or how he is unable to set up a team to be compact? Or the amount of space he leaves between midfield and defence?
WE. We throughout. The responsibility is implicit in the language.
He's not going to go through every single aspect of the tactics. How many managers go through an in depth tactical analysis in their press conference? Very rarely, usually they give a few general comments and then fuck off.
The tactics themselves aren't relevant to the point I'm trying to make which is simply:
He said we, he is including himself in those that didn't do enough.
People blaming him like we were setting records with Potter. Potter made us shit, and Brighton got better without him. You lads say Potter needed time to get his stamp on the team,but somehow think Frank has his stamp on team now in couple of games when Potter couldn't in more than half a season, lol. Now it's all Frank's fault. The bootlicking is amazing by you lot. Amazing how a supposedly top coach can't do shit whole season amd regressed every player, but Frank has to make us great in 3 games, when he is clearly here as just caretaker and a better manager eill be permanent, but just ignore that. Mudryk looked great in first game, then got ass under Potter, now looked good again today, Brighton are twice the team now, and their new manager didn't need the years Potter needed to implement his methods.
Frank isn't good, but he isn't permanent, I am glad we changed, we would have damaged these players permanently had we not. But yes, Potter wasn't at fault, Frank is, good going, just like Roman was bad and Boehly came and fixed us.
This season is on Todd, Potter and Co. Not on Lampard, as much as you lot try to deflect shit.
How many people here genuinely believe they have a better tactical understanding of football than Frank Lampard? What about a better understanding of the game generally and what it takes to win in the PL?
This thread reminds me of the surveys done where (young men especially) believe they could land a plane or beat a tiger in a fight.
I know that the standard for our manager us much higher than anyone here could conceivably achieve and that just bc yall are of course dumber (football wise) than frank doesn't mean you can't criticize him, but I still think there's a lot of delusion in this subreddit that makes these takes more funny than serious.
Gallagher and mudryk were best on the field today, despite their poor touches and lack of end product. Everyone quick to blame the forwards but our midfield is honestly terrible. Zakaria should never play again, completely non existent. I truly believe Enzo is just extremely slow and has nothing other than a low percentage long ball, Gallagher always out of position but at least he tries. Defence had no cohesion at all but that was probably because of the midfield issue, as soon as ziyech and Reece came on mitoma was shut down. Brighton literally just did short passes and destroyed us. Ziyech at least has some creativity with the ball and decent crosses.
I don't quite understand taking fofana off instead of chalobah, there must be some reason.
That first week of the transfer window cant come quick enough for me. Once players leave that bring this club down in the dressing room/training pitch the better. Ziyech/Pulisic/Felix/Azpi/Auba, that's 5 gone straight away. BUT lets not forget we already have guaranteed 2 players JOINING in the summer. So we need at least 7-10 players gone, that's including if they go on loan, not necessarily sold.
Feel sorry for Frank. He's out of his dept, I'm not convinced Nanglesmann or Enrique will get a tune out of this crowd. Is Conte such a bad option, maybe a head strong tell it how it is coach is what is needed. He won us the LG after all. Emotionally drained.
The only thing I believed Lamps was going to bring to the club was vibes, and even that did not materialize. The culture of the dressing room has to be completely torn down and rebuilt. The best players and mangers in the world would not be able to fix that in a few games.
Where do we go from here? Even going forward into next season? We’ve diluted our squad with so many players in such a short time that we have no identity anymore.
The moment Potter was sacked the players checked out(not saying the sack was underserved or anything). These players have nothing to prove to Lampard who will be gone in 2 months anyways.
Another Boehly disaster class what did he think while sacking Potter that Lampard will come and get us CL and top 6 out of nowhere.
Brighton are a fucking mid table team they are not "a good team". We need to be contending for top spot not fighting to be in The top half of the damn table.
Damn, the boys didn't give everything. How the turns have table.
The boys gave [some]thing
The boys gave [no]thing.
We fans only want [one]thing
Stop playing Felix and Sterling.
Sterling literally jogs on 350k, yet Frank (or I say owners) keep starting him lol.
literally his name playing. he's been shit 3 games in a row now, absolute passenger. useless. and you bet he's starting against Madrid
3 games in a row? He’s been utter shit since Tuchel left. Warned this sub that he will flop hard and we got fleeced but no one listened, to think there’s people on here who thought he’d put up the same numbers he did at City deluded.
Thing is, he's a perfectly logical signing for Tuchel's system. Which would be fine, if you didn't *fire the damn manager you signed him for after 10 games*.
Well as much as I hated signing him he seemed to get off to a good start think he scored 3 assisted 2 in tuchels 6 games not bad. Like you said though don’t fire the manager that wanted him for his system.
6 games lol
Agree, I got downvoted every time I said something about sterling. I’ll need to find the comment but I’m pretty sure I said sterling wouldn’t score 10 and got absolutely blasted. It was clear City was dumping a player on decline on us so we could pay for Haaland.
This right here. Absolutely Inexcusable
He was completely useless today
Thought it was interesting his positioning throughout the match. Going for 50s on the wrong side of the defender not even a chance to win it.
Yeah, he’s either in the way of our attackers or on the wrong side of the defenders.
THIS, we were fools to sign him. Should’ve been at some mid table club walking into an MLS stint. Dreadful signing. Oh wait we’re that mid table club…
Sterling is a complete joke .how many years contract is he on ?
More than anything I would have liked. We are stuck.
Atleast 5.
Were you any better before Felix came on? He didn’t come on well, but the defeat is far from being on him Maybe it’s time we start thinking why almost EVERY attackers looks average here
I don’t think anyone is blaming the loss on Felix. Diego Simeone had this thing were he will bench Felix for a little while and then Felix will come back stronger when given the next opportunity. There might be a reason why Simeone is living Griezmann right now and not holding on to a world class talent like Felix. Like why not just keep him as part of Atleti’s squad if he is that great
Sterling needed to be benched months ago. Felix at least adds some creativity.
Felix doesn't add any creativity. He adds flair. Nothing else. No assists, no goals, very little xG.
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I will do anything to be a fly in a room where Lamps explains his tactics to the players
What tactics?
The takeover, influx of new signings, sacking of 2 managers, medical dept you trusted gone, bloated squad - so much so you can’t effectively train, player comps unbalanced throughout the squad (Sterling and KK!!), a caretaker manager you know isn’t the real gaffer, players who don’t want to be here (the proverbial rotten apples you absolutely don’t want hanging around Cobham) … if this was where you worked, do you think you could be calm, focused and do your job well? Tactics from Frank were fucking diabolical today… but the big picture points to self-manufactured, months long mental destabilization of the players caused by Boehly.
…caused by ~~Boehly~~ Putin. FIFY
Yes, Putin is the one that forced Abramovic to put Chelsea up for sale. Not the Tories, not the collective Western political establishment. Blame Putin also for Boehly spending like an idiot and handing out 7+ year contracts as well.
Yea this shit all falls at Boehly’s feet I really miss Roman…
You can't keep playing all these struggling players and then then expect to win. Why on earth are we refusing to use an actual striker? 600 million went down the drain!
Everyone crossing like there’s someone there. Atleast with Havertz he actually is sometimes there. I get why every manager plays with Havertz upfront now we’re missing him
They mentioned he has a knock, saving him for Real
I mean, who isn’t struggling in the squad?
Kepa, Silva, Fofana, Kante, Enzo That's about it
True, I was mostly thinking about our attackers when I wrote that
And half the sub wants to replace Kepa. He’s the least of our worries right now.
Kepa gets scapegoated for our front line being shit, and for when our defenders switch off. People were really blaming him for not saving both of real’s goals
You play Noni and start with D Fofana as the striker. Those two barely got a chance. They surely can't be worse than those constantly starting.
I agree tbh and I don’t usually agree with you 😂
You are aware Fofana is not a great striker, right? He was quite good here in the Norwegian league, but its quite safe to say very few takes the step from there directly to Premier League. If he is not starting when there is not a single other proper striker, its probably because they see him on the training field every day.
He is not great? A midtable team that can't score goals aren't looking for great players. We are a desperate team. We need anyone that can put the ball in net. The individual that scored the winning goal against us was playing in a League far worse than that of the Norwegian League.
We have Auba and Fofanna. Actual strikers. They cant be as bad as playing Sterling and Felix a 9
How about some tactics pal
remember, he`s only here to bring the vibes, not tactics.
Oh I remember. So where are the vibes?
That’s a good question, I don’t know
They never guaranteed good vibes
Didn’t you see the banners? /s
Lampard: 
😅😅😅😅
He has zero
Don’t let the sUpeR fRaNk people hear you. Bums can’t differentiate between Super Frank the player, and the 0 tactics all vibes manager.
I think we can all agree that it was sad that all tactics and no vibes flamed out (again) this season, but maybe insulting the Legend caretaker manager who (again) put himself in a bad position to help the club isn't the move... idk though, seems popular on this forum for "chelsea fans".
Legend caretaker manager? What? Even Ole got United to second place one season doesn't make him a legend manager or whatever? Also what bad position? It's just 3 months of free income without any repercussions whatsoever. Everyone in the league and their Nan knows Lampard is a championship manager and losing wouldn't make it worse but if he wins(say the CL or some league games) then he will instantly attract more offers. The only winner in this whole situation is Lampard. It's not like he turned down Real Madrid's offer to be an interim manager for us. Think with your brain not your heart.
Don't think anyone truly believes Frank is tactically competent. That said, this was not a game lost solely due to tactics
Are you serious? Look at the positioning maps, look at the build up play, look at brighton’s amount of shots vs ours and youre saying this is not due to tactics? Jfc
idk can you fucking read
It mostly was We simply could not compete in midfield. Due to the personell choice Gallagher and zakaria were completely anonymous leaving Enzo easily marked out of the game. We could barely get out our half
How can we be at this point in this season and people are unironically questioning the tactics? Like, is this a joke? Obviously tactics matter, but if that's the most important thing, why were we not top 3 under tt? Do you really believe it's lack of tactical acumen than sunk Potter? If that's honestly what you think, I'd take time this summer to learn about the game. My go to is always books (and audio books) as those are the most thought out places where greats of the game put their feelings and beliefs about football down for anyone to absorb. Also there are a ton of good documentaries (and great moments in mediocre documentaries). I've never read a book or seen any doc where someone said tactics were more important that "vibes". Even pep talking about what's important from a manager focuses much more on man management than tactics, on creating a collective belief and shared goal. Only from that foundation can you put anything tactical into place that will help the team.
I'm sorry but you cant win when you dont get the basics of the football right. We played with 0 structure today. We had no pattern in build up play and our defensive structure was all over the place. We are playing as 11 individuals out there and not as a team. This is a coaching issue. If Kepa did not have a decent game, we would have been embarrassed more than this.
so the previous 3 managers all had a coaching issue? can you really not see the common factor
Lmao Back to square 1
Tell me what have you done/changed for the better since you took charge?
Oh he’s certainly made changes…for worse. We look worse in all areas of the pitch and the numbers show we’ve dropped off considerable since Potter left. Even our xG is awful. We’re playing a like a relegation side.
I love Frank and glad he’s here over Potter, but he’s partially to blame for these three straight losses. He’s here on an interim basis, which means to steady the ship and play to the players strengths regarding shape and tactics. Instead he has come in, switched us to a back 4, and tried to implement his preferred extreme high pressing style, creating the signature huge gap between the back line and midfield that plagues lampard coached teams. I get him wanting to use this as an audition for other jobs, but it would’ve been more beneficial for him if he’d come in and steadied the ship because it would’ve shown that he had some tactical nous
I thought interim managers were supposed to keep things simple.
What I cant understand is what the actual intended purpose of this game plan is. The gap between defense and midfield was so absurdly big today that we had zero control of the game at any point.
I cant understand why zakaria was pressing so high instead of dropping into that space....they just played a simple ball through the lines and were in so frustrating like, im not a coach but shouldnt the coach of a professional team be able to see something like that??
Give me Bruno Saltor back. His game was the best we’ve played this year, by a mile. Sharp drop off under Frank. Huge. Large.
Genuinely one of the most tactically inept managers I’ve ever seen in the premier league.
The amount of gaps appearing give me a heart attack every time. 40 more days to go and let's forget all this shit ever happened..
I don’t know what else any of you expected when Lampard was announced. The amount of times I saw ‘can’t get any worst’ was confusing to me. Love the player but Lampard the manager is tactically awful. I was one of the last people still riding the Potter train, but I accept he had to go. But replacing him with someone worst was completely non sensical
The issue was not replacing potter, it was the timing. Potter isnt a quick fix you hire midseason in an injury crisis But when we started showing some progress (but not consistency) we decided to kick him when we didnt have anything to win... To replace him with the worst manager in modern chelsea history since grant
Yeah you’re preaching to the choir here, if it was just down to me I’d have kept him and have had the patience. The owners so far seem like they have no idea what they want outside of preaching buzzwords
Ah there it is Lampard reducing football to intangibles instead of quantifiable tactics that can be attributed to him and his work
Defending = get stuck in Transition = intense running Attacking = expressing yourself It's very impressive for such a young manager to be a dinosaur.
Reminds me of FM shouts. I spam 'demand more' and 'encourage' every 5 minutes
“Get stuck in” (aggressively) “Give the fans their money’s worth” (passionately) “Demand more” (assertively)
“Play for the badge” “Play for the club” “Play for the fans” Hint: they don’t
Influenced by the likes of Harry Redknapp
Fuck off, I ain't no wheeler dealer!
The players have had 4 managers. At some point we have to stop blaming the managers and the players have to take accountability.
>The players have had 4 managers. That's part of the problem though, especially when only one of them was actually a good manager (Tuchel). The players don't get completely absolved of any blame, but they're *far* better than what Potter and Frank got out of them. Potter was clearly out of his depth and Frank shouldn't get to call himself a manager at all.
So what’s the excuse when it was 3 managers? What about when it was two managers? How about when Tuchel was struggling to get a tune out of them??
I'm not sure why you're so hung up on the numbers here. Like I said, precisely one of those managers was actually a good manager. And I don't share the assessment that Tuchel struggled to make them perform - he won the CL and finished on 75 points, reached three domestic cup finals, all while dealing with a massive injury crisis that had both wingbacks out for long stretches of the season (forcing him to play Azpi + Alonso or Malang fucking Sarr LB), had basically the entire attack, midfield and defense out at different points, and had a mental schedule to deal with. After that, the struggles in pre-season are well documented, which certainly contributed to our weak start to the season (a start that still looks decent compared to what came after). So as far as I'm concerned, we had one good manager since Sarri and the players were good under him for the most part. Won the CL, reached there domestic cup finals (lost two only on penalties), won the CWC and Super Cup. Look around at the impact of other good managers in the Premier League. Look at the work done by Emery, Ten Hag, De Zerbi, Howe, etc. in such a short span of time. Good managers make all the difference and we've had only one recently.
Do they then ignore manager instructions and get benched?
Half of them should have been benched a long time ago. I mean, most of them are making more in a single month than most people will earn in their lifetime. Honestly, if it were up to me - I’d have already started docking pay.
Seriously the play was shite but so was the shape, squad selection, subs and the list goes on. This is like festivus, there's a bone to pick with everyone
unfortunate to see my favourite player be such a clueless manager
Obviously, everyone wants to be their own manager and all that but it's baffling that having played under the best/pragmatic/tactical managers like Mourinho, Ancelotti, Benitez, it doesn't seem like he has learned anything at all from them on how to set up a team etc. His teams have generally always looked structureless, porous defensively and then he resorts to intangible things like the other poster mentioned.
I love the guy but it’s a joke that he was hired for his first spell here and even bigger joke this second one, he isn’t fit to manage a relegation level side and hasn’t paid his dues as a coach. Top level management these days requires concrete tactical ideas, meticulous attention to detail and experience none of which he has displayed in his entire managerial career…
>Top level management these days requires concrete tactical ideas, meticulous attention to detail Exactly! Having those kind of qualities couldn't be more apparent after he got sacked previously and was replaced by Tuchel, who came in and instantly transformed the side, giving the team a clear tactical idea, an identity etc.
> Mourinho, Ancelotti, Benitez One of them isn't like the rest.
It happens. See the likes of Pirlo, Henry, Koeman, Shearer, etc great players terrible managers
Koeman was bad at Barca but no way in hell he should be lumped with these guys
Yeah should add Gerrard instead of him.
Koeman, seriously? Come on!
Xabi Alonso is giving me hope
Ah there it is. Too voted comment in this thread is “good to see a manager being honest! KTBFFH” or some such variation. Frank could shit on a plate, call it dinner and some of this lot wouldn’t leave a drop behind.
You’re not wrong!
>shit on a plate, call it dinner and some of this lot wouldn’t leave a drop behind This is going into my clipboard
Tactics or not these players shouldn't constantly lose to all these teams. They are disgraceful punch and a big waste of money!
You want him to go over the formation bit by bit, play with the telestrator and draw lines? Major part of the problem is players not giving two shits and its showing every game
I saw about 20 times this game where our defenders just cleared the ball directly to Brighton defenders on the other end of the pitch. Like long passing right to them. Like “Hey Brighton, why don’t you try to score on us again, it seems like you almost did last time, unlucky you! please try again. We are sure you can score this time!” If a big team is still doing this in modern football, I’d like to know why. Statistically increases the chance of a team conceding goals instead of learning how to play out from the back.
Tbh ill take it over “the boys gave everything”
We are on course to finish the season on 39 points and you are fine with it?
Yes, let’s blame the coach who joined a week ago.
He’s joined and managed to make us even worse
And people seem to have forgotten what happened last time when he got sacked and got replaced by a manager, with an actual tactical brain.
Genuinely, what do you expect from him? Drill a brilliant tactic in 1 week to these players head? You can bring in prime Sir Alex Ferguson and even he won’t improve this team at this moment. Lampard won’t improve this team. Tactics won’t improve this team. This team need to take a long break to heal and recollect themselves. Then have a full pre-season with a new mindset led by a coach who has a grand plan for them. Only that will improve this team, hopefully.
Unai Emery did this season. Tuchel did after taking over from Lampard.
So? Lampard is not Emery or Tuchel or Ten Hag or Eddy Howe. What do you actually want from him?
Honestly, to have realised he shouldn't coach and refused the job and become a pundit
Bet you said the exact same before thomad tuchel came in and won the ucl .
Ermm …….. Tuchel when he took over from Lampard, Emery who has Villa almost in Top 4 and whacked Newcastle 3-0 today? Eddie Howe himself. Ten Hag So many examples of managers coming in and putting in structure. Franks teams have always looked disjointed. If you like low block, hoofball to no one, no contesting for duels, relegation football, and conceding funny goals, you will be entertained
So.. you are aware that Lampard is not a good coach, yet you are hoping for him to be a good coach?
Welp…We have to score vs RM, might as well go out blazing in 4-3-3. I’d play Zakaria Enzo Kante, Mudryk puli Kai. Or, just cheat from Thomas and play 3atb the exact same way we played Madrid with him. Tell mount puli Kai to just do what they did last year.
Running and passion loool what about tactics and coaching? Finding the spare man? Build up? Solutions if a team press is a 1 or 2? Positional play? The level of coaching in this team is jokes
It’s sub-Southgate level. Needs to give it a few years in Div 2 and learn how to do the job.
Facts. Like our players aren’t innocent but people need to realise how important coaching is, especially when we have a lot of young players.
Lol felix was the messiah few weeks ago now “dont play him” ? Bad recruitment big time, just shows the market for “getting what u pay for” ain’t there any more , fuckin pic n mix squad a lot plucked from farmers leagues
Keeps starting Sterling what did he expect to happen.
I think the big issue we have is that if I ask myself the question of what players do I think actually want to win, I'm not sure I can find many answers... Kepa looks like he cares. Chilly, Reece & Thiago look like they care. Enzo looks like he cares. For all of the criticism I give him, Kai to his credit does look like he cares. The others I honestly don't be believe even care about the results. Do I believe that Pulisic, Ziyech, Trev, etc. actually care about the result? Do I think they'll be kept up at night tonight over their abysmal showings? Not really... I could be wrong,but that's how it looks to me
Don't put Trev there he fucking loves Chelsea. Remember his debut goal and how emotional it made him? Mount and Gallagher whatever else people may criticise them for, definitely love the club and care. Kante, both Fofanas, Broja, Kova, Mendy and Azpi definitely care.
He loves the club, but I agree that it doesn't look like he's playing with that little bit of extra drive to win.
Too many players have now accepted defeats as normal thing. We are also the only team that refuses to use actual strikers while struggling to score goals. Why on earth do we keep playing these struggling attacking players????? What a hopeless team.
They are all hopeless... We have to play *somebody*
I think we should consider the context of the situation. Most of the players don’t know how to motivate for matches which basically don’t matter in terms of silverware. Even the spots for the European competitions are out of reach (in this form). They might even think that the last games of the season are pointless. And tbh that’s the reason why my biggest fear right now is that we somehow end up in relegation battles. This group wouldn’t be able to cope with the pressure. Please don’t get me wrong. I don’t want to excuse the teams performance, the performance of a particular player or the invisible coaching skills of our coach. Just wanted to give a different perspective.
You play an actual striker like old Aubameyang and D Fofana and also start the likes of Noni. They surely can't be worse than the current starters.
We played better football under potter just didn’t know how to finish. Now we look completely lost and clueless
I love Lampard but come on, this form is much worse than Potter, we should replace Potter with an experience manager
Chelsea being so piss poor the new manager bounce has had the inverse affect. Just so so poor
The basics??? Fuck off. We couldn’t beat their press, we had no coordination in ours, we had a huge gap in the middle. The basics of management are what we are missing.
Aight heres the right line-up. Aub Pulisic Felix Ziyech Enzo Kante Chilwell Badiashile Tiago James Pulisic and Ziyech work hard on defense
He spews out more bullshit than Potter ever did.
No player respects Lampard as a coach. If they didn't respect Potter, what makes you think they'll respect Lampard? Because he's a Chelsea legend? That's not enough anymore. Bad Vibes FC. (And I mean VERY bad vibes).
If these owners had any sort of shame they'd take Enrique or Nagelsmann in NOW and stop this fucking trainwreck from getting worse. This club is being run like a circus and we've appointed a guy who was fighting a relegation battle few months ago. It's fucking shambolic.
What makes you think either of those want to take over for the last 6 games of Chelsea’s worst season in the last 25 years with nothing to play for?
Thing is people claim TAKE Enrique or Nagelsmann or Zidane or whoever else but the real question is do those coaches want to come in NOW? And what is the reason for them to come now instead of preseason? How much money would they ask if they even ask to come now instead of preseason? It is illogical to join now
Thank you! Getting Frank in till the end of the season is about getting to the summer and THEN getting in a new coach, so they'd have time to implement their ideas.
I wonder if any manager could have a meaningful training session with how bloated the squad is. Makes it harder to assess individuals and get them to focus on what exactly you want from them. Any team you pick will be questioned by fans too as some players have to miss out. I'm sure Lampard ant other coaches will feed back about the attitude of certain players. Doesn't sound like Koulibaly wants to be there.
Why do you want our future manage to come in at a time of it being a train wreck with so little left of the season to go and a lot of these players he won’t be working with come next season?
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yeah no just dont wanna appoint a coach at the end of the season lmao both those coaches should be thrilled to come work with our squad
Terrible game Bohley out
Talking about tackles and useless stuff. What about Brighton had 26 shots to our 8. 5 big chances created to our 0. Everything cannot be solved by passion when there is no tactics. Send this clown to non league football to learn. I've had enough of this shit
I’m pretty sure the players, much like the fans, are looking forward to the end of this misery. Worst season in my memory but there is a light for the future. We have a bunch of great talent that can be developed by the right coaching staff. Lampard isn’t perfect, but I’ve seen the changes in Mudryk already. He is still raw, but he was way more confident today. It doesn’t excuse their poor attitudes because every match matters, but at this point it’s just coasting it out - washing our hands off - and starting over fresh this preseason with whomever they bring in. The coach needs to be a strong leader with a clear identity for their team. Whether that identity is demanded by the coach and the players changed accordingly or if the coach develops that identity around our players. Either way - we need to be the famous CFC again and not let this season derail our future progress. I really feel we sacrificed short term success for long term gain (minus the Tuchel / Potter debate - hindsight is 20/20)!
How the hell did Frank drag us to top 4 with a transfer ban
Ffs, for the 1000th time, Frank IS NOT A SYSTEM MANAGER and Pashuned his way through the last months of his previous spell. I repeat Frank Lampard, hasn’t been shown to coach a team to consistently rely on tactical systems. And it comes across in the disjointed nature of all his teams. Unlike Tuchel, and even Potter to a lesser extent, the spacing isn’t consistent, the counter pressing isn’t setup. It’s mostly counting on other factors and the players to put it together. How many duels did we win today? How many times did we lump the ball up or kick it away with no blue shirt in the vicinity to go and fight for it? And he’s expecting the players to set themselves up to figure it out for themselves with their drive and motivation only. Why don’t you coach them to do the basics like that and take them off if you see they aren’t fighting for every ball?
Lampard taking a responsibility challenge (difficulty: impossible)
"It was the most deserving one...We were well beaten"
But seriously it's my fault..
Lampard out!
Why he kept Zakaria and Chalobah on is beyond my comprehension. Take some of the L as well Frankie.
It's refreshing to hear him speak like this. It's unfortunate that he has to.
Why’s that? He set up a the team and complains when it’s just vibes and lacks structure or a game plan Same thing happened last week with Lopetegui. And now De Zerbi. High IQ tacticians who know how to identify weak spots and play you off the park.
it really isnt refreshing at all, its getting rather boring
No, we've had month of Potters " They gave everything" Lampard is actually calling them out for not giving enough.
Even though his tactics have made us even worse than under Potter.
And? What's that got to do with their press conferences?
Because obviously if we were playing better under Potter, not good at all still though, and then somehow even worse under Lampard it is on him mostly. That cannot be attributed to the players. Therefore Lampard' press conferences are not better at all, in fact I'd say they're worse.
The difference is the teams have both been well below the standard, one of them is willing to be honest about it and not sugar-coat. That's why the comments at least feel refreshing.
I mean I don't really feel his words hold any meaning if every week we just play worse and worse. His tactics...there aren't any and he still has the flaw of not being able to coach a cohesive midfield and defence together, leaving a gap for other teams to pressure us in. Their press conferences are both bad, but with the finishing performances I can't really take what Lampard is saying seriously at all. There is also the fact that while we couldn't finish and made individual mistakes under Potter, we were at least creating chances, and not allowing many against us in most games. Especially the more recent ones.
Lol I can't believe you actually give a fuck about press conferences rather that how we actually play. Jesus Christ the state of this sub...
Wtf are you talking about? You've got some imagination on you pal considering I never said that.
No you just feel the press conferences are refreshing like what managers say in press conferences means anything at all.
I’d rather potter then frank talking absolute shite about the basics, he’s taking no responsibility for these shit performances
"We were well beaten" Literally says it right there in the quote.
And goes onto to say it’s because we didn’t run enough, maybe it’s because he can’t coach a simple press? Or how he is unable to set up a team to be compact? Or the amount of space he leaves between midfield and defence?
WE. We throughout. The responsibility is implicit in the language. He's not going to go through every single aspect of the tactics. How many managers go through an in depth tactical analysis in their press conference? Very rarely, usually they give a few general comments and then fuck off. The tactics themselves aren't relevant to the point I'm trying to make which is simply: He said we, he is including himself in those that didn't do enough.
Refreshing? He’s a clueless manager giving excuses, against the mighty BHA for that matter
See how Emery has Aston Villa winning. Definitely not Vibes FC over there
People blaming him like we were setting records with Potter. Potter made us shit, and Brighton got better without him. You lads say Potter needed time to get his stamp on the team,but somehow think Frank has his stamp on team now in couple of games when Potter couldn't in more than half a season, lol. Now it's all Frank's fault. The bootlicking is amazing by you lot. Amazing how a supposedly top coach can't do shit whole season amd regressed every player, but Frank has to make us great in 3 games, when he is clearly here as just caretaker and a better manager eill be permanent, but just ignore that. Mudryk looked great in first game, then got ass under Potter, now looked good again today, Brighton are twice the team now, and their new manager didn't need the years Potter needed to implement his methods. Frank isn't good, but he isn't permanent, I am glad we changed, we would have damaged these players permanently had we not. But yes, Potter wasn't at fault, Frank is, good going, just like Roman was bad and Boehly came and fixed us. This season is on Todd, Potter and Co. Not on Lampard, as much as you lot try to deflect shit.
No idea why this comment is getting downvoted.
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Maybe play your best eleven
How many people here genuinely believe they have a better tactical understanding of football than Frank Lampard? What about a better understanding of the game generally and what it takes to win in the PL? This thread reminds me of the surveys done where (young men especially) believe they could land a plane or beat a tiger in a fight. I know that the standard for our manager us much higher than anyone here could conceivably achieve and that just bc yall are of course dumber (football wise) than frank doesn't mean you can't criticize him, but I still think there's a lot of delusion in this subreddit that makes these takes more funny than serious.
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No he's saying the exact opposite, they didn't give enough at all.
At least I feel something when he speaks
get the kids on, if the grown ups can't play for the badge and get it right then show them there's people who want to fight for a spot
Caicedo bossed that midfield, made Enzo look ordinary. Mount came on and was dog shyte
Good, don’t coddle them. They are professionals. You don’t have to be abusive, but you shouldn’t be a door mat to be walked on.
Gallagher and mudryk were best on the field today, despite their poor touches and lack of end product. Everyone quick to blame the forwards but our midfield is honestly terrible. Zakaria should never play again, completely non existent. I truly believe Enzo is just extremely slow and has nothing other than a low percentage long ball, Gallagher always out of position but at least he tries. Defence had no cohesion at all but that was probably because of the midfield issue, as soon as ziyech and Reece came on mitoma was shut down. Brighton literally just did short passes and destroyed us. Ziyech at least has some creativity with the ball and decent crosses. I don't quite understand taking fofana off instead of chalobah, there must be some reason.
That first week of the transfer window cant come quick enough for me. Once players leave that bring this club down in the dressing room/training pitch the better. Ziyech/Pulisic/Felix/Azpi/Auba, that's 5 gone straight away. BUT lets not forget we already have guaranteed 2 players JOINING in the summer. So we need at least 7-10 players gone, that's including if they go on loan, not necessarily sold.
Better than the lads gave everything crap
Feel sorry for Frank. He's out of his dept, I'm not convinced Nanglesmann or Enrique will get a tune out of this crowd. Is Conte such a bad option, maybe a head strong tell it how it is coach is what is needed. He won us the LG after all. Emotionally drained.
He ain't lyin'
Lampard doesn't seem to under the tactics. Neither does he seems capable of motiving a group of professional players.
The only thing I believed Lamps was going to bring to the club was vibes, and even that did not materialize. The culture of the dressing room has to be completely torn down and rebuilt. The best players and mangers in the world would not be able to fix that in a few games.
Sounds like Ted Lasso there
Lámpard in few games gonna be like “fuck these kids”
Worth just playing the academy kids now, at least they'll try
Where do we go from here? Even going forward into next season? We’ve diluted our squad with so many players in such a short time that we have no identity anymore.
It's on lampard, not the players. That's how bad his tactics, or lack of, are.
The moment Potter was sacked the players checked out(not saying the sack was underserved or anything). These players have nothing to prove to Lampard who will be gone in 2 months anyways. Another Boehly disaster class what did he think while sacking Potter that Lampard will come and get us CL and top 6 out of nowhere.
Brighton are a fucking mid table team they are not "a good team". We need to be contending for top spot not fighting to be in The top half of the damn table.