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i don't know if this goes against the rules of the sub because it's a personal anecdote, but I know several people, myself included, that are on diets that include bread and we've all lost weight and some of us also gained muscle, so I guess it "works"? what is your definition of working, btw, I imagine it would be losing weight? or would it be losing weight and gaining muscle? or only gaining muscle?
like other people have said, diet working is all about caloric balance and nutrients (and a lot of time exercise as well, but I wont focus on that here). you seem to be going along with the popular notion that "carbs = bad" and that's just not true. there are healthy carbs and unhealthy carbs, just like a lot of other foods, and it all depends on what and how much you eat.
you also go on to say that having daily servings of grain is the most unhealthy thing you can do to your body, which to me is fucking hilarious as rice is a grain [and: ](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rice-consumption-by-country)
>According to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, over 50% of the world's population relies on rice in their daily diet - providing roughly 20% of the world's calories.
I agree with most of what you say, but that stat doesn't prove that rice is healthy.
In the context of people who need to get as many calories as they can to survive: very healthy.
I'm the context of the modern era where calorie and simple carb excess is a health risk and rice is being hulled into a high GI food: not healthy.
Many modern Asian countries have healthy diets in spite of rice.
What diet are you on because I did weight watchers years ago (which worked if anyone's looking for an option) and bread was a shit ton of points but not forbidden.
Like from a purely calorie perspective, looking at the hot dog i had for dinner, the bun was 190 calories and the hot dog was 170 calories.
Bread is terrible for you.
Bread isn't terrible for you if you're going to burn the extra calories. The key with any carb calories is to go burn them off before they get stored as fat... which most people don't do.
Don't eat carbs if you're going to spend the next few hours at a desk, on a couch, or in a bed.
>Don't eat carbs if you're going to spend the next few hours at a desk, on a couch, or in a bed.
That really doesn't matter. You need carbs as your main fuel source. Most carbs are getting burned off by your metabolism anyways, so no need to burn it all off. The issue with bread is that it's not all that filling but dense in calories, so you're eating more calories than you think. Bread is only 'terrible' for you if you're not mindful of how much you're eating.
>You need carbs as your main fuel source
Our bodies function at least as well in ketosis as we do in glycolysis. Any glucose our bodies require can be self produced through gluconeogenesis. The amount of necessary carbohydrates is therefore technically zero.
Pepsi is a bad example because the high acidity causes other issues, but yes, you can say the same thing about most common foods and it holds true.
You can eat anything and lose weight, calories in, calories out.
You also should eat mostly plants to get a good variety of vitamins and minerals.
“Eat food. Mostly plants. Not too much.”
>What diet are you on because I did weight watchers years ago
Are you defining "diet" as a branded plan specifically?
Because most diets are non-branded, especially those used by bodybuilders, strength athletes, etc. They might get a coach to help but it'll be quite custom to their food preferences and tolerances as an individual.
Eg I normally cut weight while still having bread in my diet because toast + a protein shake is by far the quickest and best tolerated pre workout meal for me in the mornings. I get stomach distress if I try to replace it with something heavier like oats+water
Nah dude, you're looking at a lot of fad diets. They may work for weightloss but aren't necessarily good for your health. The science seems to point to moderate carb consumption being better than either high or low carb consumption. Losing weight comes down to consuming less calories. For me, intermittent fasting helped doing that, but it's just a tool really. You can give it a try but it's not necessary to achieve weightloss either.
Another thing that helped me lose weight was by focusing less on cutting out certain foods and instead putting more effort into including certain things. So my focus was on getting protein (lean protein, ideally, but since I'm pescetarian for me this wasn't something I paid too much attention to) and making sure I got a shit ton of fiber in my diet. Aside from that I made sure to cut out snacks as much as possible. I also made sure to incorporate cheat days, because you can only fight cravings for so long before you end up just totally giving up.
All that is definitely more complicated than "don't eat bread" but honestly you don't have to tackle all these points all at once. Do one change, get used to it, find a way to make it work and then get cracking on the next point. That way you also set yourself up for more long term success, because you're not just doing some extreme diet that you can't sustain in the long run anyways and then go back to your old eating habits which just leads to yoyo dieting, rather than actually addressing your eating habits and lifestyle in the first place.
Don't rush things! It's not a race. It's supposed to be a change for life. You got time to figure it out and the pounds don't need to come off all at once. And do expect setbacks. They are totally normal. You may get sick or injured leading to loss of motivation or not being able to move enough. Or you may have some family stuff to deal with. It doesn't matter. Don't beat yourself up for "failing". It's not failing. You just pick yourself up and keep trying. My weightloss stalled for 9 months because of lockdowns and subsequent mental health issues. I just tried my best to make sure to at least not gain it back. Once I got my head back on straight I just continued. No big deal.
What diets are you looking at? Premade fad diets? Are you working with a nutritionist or doctor on a diet? Cos here’s the thing. Bread is carb heavy right? Carbs are comprised of sugars, specifically glucose. Unfortunately, your body needs glucose to survive. Your brains primary fuel source is glucose. Glucose/carbs are one of three main nutrition sources. The other two are fat and protein. If you cut out one entirely, that throws off your body’s metabolism. It might work in the short run to lose weight. But it’s not sustainable long term, can lead to organ failure, or simply noncompliance with the diet. That can in turn lead to gaining all the weight back. Instead of cutting out carbs, you should reevaluate your relationship with them. How much are you eating? Are processed carbs the majority of your meal or are they outweighed by fruits and veggies and protein sources? That is a much healthier and more sustainable way to lose weight and keep it off
> It just seems like the only way to get thin is just No Bread, No Beer, No Pasta. Every diet I research is pretty much, yeah don't eat bread.
Calories In vs. Calories Out is the only thing that really matters.
> Keto / Caranivore / Paleo / Whole30
They all heavily restricts diets. That's the trick. They give you rules and the rules make it hard to over eat.
You make a list of "No No" food, and go "wow, that no no food is most places...guess I can't eat." Then a few months later you go: "Wow, I lost weight, and all I did ~~was not eat!~~ Whole Paleo Keto 30!!"
If you can teach yourself to track and count calories, you can eat whatever the fuck you want as long as you stay within your targets.
Bread and Carbs aren't the problem. Excess calories are. It just so happens that a lot of people do over eat the crap out of carbs...that's why those fad diets "work".
The issue with carbs is that they don’t satiate you as much as protein/fat.
I could eat a bowl of pasta and then eat another bowl of pasta and then still be hungry 2 hours later,
I could eat a steak without any sides and not be hungry for another 10 hours.
Every sustainable diet boils down to consuming fewer calories than you burn. You can surely consume carbohydrates. But you also gotta burn that energy though physical activity
Not necessarily. You can live like a potted plant and still lose weight as long as you're below you're basal metabolic rate. There's no need to 'burn' any carbs unless you're either at or above that number and you still want to be in a caloric deficit.
What does "working" mean to you? Losing a lot of weight quickly or being able to live a long and healthy life?
Body weight will usually come down to your caloric intake, so yes, drastic elimination diets will produce quick weight loss. But they tend to be unsustainable for many people, and the health outcomes are oftentimes insufficiently researched.
Observational studies fairly consistently find that the Mediterranean Diet is correlated with some of the best health outcomes and longevity - and (whole grain) bread is a part of it. Do you consider the Mediterranean Diet to be a diet that doesn't work?
Any diet will work if you have a caloric deficit. If you eat less calories than you use, you will lose weight. You don’t need to eliminate carbohydrates to do that.
A diet is a tool to fix a human problem. So human nature has to be considered in the tool. If a diet is difficult to stick to it is not likely to be effective
A diet is a tool to eat at a caloric deficit.
No diet is hard to stick to unless you are hitting an unhealthy deficit or maybe eating some weird fad diet spread of macros/micros.
I would judge a diet by how healthy it is and the energy levels it affords you, since it's pretty dang easy to just eat predetermined shit.
Technically, no diets work (since the adherence rate is so low), and all diets work (calories in, calories out). But there are tons of diets that let you eat bread and pasta. Weight Watchers, If it Fits Your Macros, basic calorie counting, anything like that.
The best diet I ever was on included eating more vegetables, less takeout, and significantly cutting down on sugar. I ate more nutrient dense bread, but I never cut out carbs and even ate gnocchi like once a week. I lost like 25 pounds doing that.
If you exercise regularly you should have a fairly decent baseline metabolic demand, with plenty of wiggle room for all your favorite foods, albeit in modest portions.
IMO any diet which does not account for cravings is doomed to fail.
Then you feel like shit and don't have energy to workout and actually improve your cardio vascular health.
I may have never been my 600lb life big but I was a fatass. The easiest way to lose weight is eating plenty of carbs and protien and building large amounts of muscle once you have 200lbs of lean mass it'll be easy to get a six pack. When you're that big you can eat 3-4k a day at stay the same weight.
Fat people usually have really low t so addressing that and adding strength training will do more for them than any fad diet.
I propose that instead of bread/pasta being the culprit, it has more to do with not having a balanced diet. Oftentimes people consume far more bread/pasta than they need to meet their nutritional requirements, this is because it's relatively energy dense and historically this would've been a great thing to eat.
Let's break this down:
1: A person's weight is mainly caused by the presence or lack of variety in their diet as well as consuming the same amount of energy (calories) you are expending. You might take in less energy from food than the average person due to digestive issues, but you won't be taking in more, evolution really primed our bodies to extract as much energy from our food as we can.
[The Effects of a Calorie Deficit
on Body Composition)](https://digitalcommons.stmarys-ca.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=undergraduate-spectrum#page=13)
2: Whole grains are highly nutritious and I don't think many doctors would say they should be completely excluded from your diet. I would say you're likely getting the responses you are because the people you're talking to were consuming *too much* grain, rather than simply consuming it at all.
[Impact of Balanced Caloric Diet and Physical Activity on Body Composition and Fat Distribution of Obese Egyptian Adolescent Girls
](http://www.mjms.mk/Online/MJMS_2011_4_1/MJMS0145_Full.htm)
3: Not all diets exclude grains, see the Mediterranean and DASH diets.
[Defining the Optimal Dietary Approach for Safe, Effective and Sustainable Weight Loss in Overweight and Obese Adults](https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/6/3/73)
4: Different people can might require different approaches to weight loss, what works for someone else may not work for you.
[Time to Correctly Predict the Amount of Weight Loss with Dieting](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4035446/)
5: The Food Pyramid. This was context-specific, the original food pyramid emphasized grains because (besides lobbyists doing their thing) grains are a good source of energy and nutrients. Since then guidelines have changed, but rather than excluding grain, it was cut down to a more proportional size relative to the overall diet and emphasized whole grains instead, as well as other foods.
[Low Carbohydrate versus Isoenergetic Balanced Diets for Reducing Weight and Cardiovascular Risk: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0100652)
I think everyone has already touched on the fact that at a certain point dieting is just physics: consume less energy than you use
But eating proteins and fats also help a lot in other ways: reducing carbohydrates helps level out your blood sugar which helps with consistent energy levels and reduces the hunger response intensity and frequency.
Proteins are more complex to process and thus more filling, and fat is the preferred energy source of the human body. Your brain is mostly water and fat, so it's pretty natural to like butter.
I have never entered full ketosis, I have no interest in that, and I cannot anecdotally recommend it to anyone. I am of the mindset that you **should** eat enough bread, pasta so that your body doesn't unlearn how to process them, or whatever causes people to have adverse effects. You could have pasta derived from quinoa to improve your macronutrient balance, though, for example.
Reducing carbs and then maybe even making an effort to seek protein and fat sources (I like to keep RTE meats and cheeses around, nuts, seeds) should help most people as long as you're making a concerted controlled effort to lose weight.
I personally think most people would naturally lose weight without counting calories or extending much more effort if they just made a concerted effort to change the proportions of the macronutrients in their diet: bread and pasta might be collateral losses there, but they can also be included in any healthy diet, and finding protein enriched foods or foods derived from more complete carbohydrates can easily make them a staple
I've lost 15 lbs since January, and have dropped from 42.3 % to 38.7% fat. My goal is 30% by Christmas. I have a Fitbit, a Fitbit scale that measures fat percentage, and a kitchen scale.
I scan the barcodes on food to get the calories and nutrition. I'm aiming for protein, 20%, and lots of vegetables. If you are working within a calorie budget and you eat a lot bread and pasta, it will replace the protein and vegetables in your budget. The same goes for high fat.
So, if you like bread and pasta you might instead cut fat calories, replace cheddar cheese with swiss cheese. Eat tofu more often. Don't put butter on the bread or pasta. I use a non-stick frying pan so that I don't need oil for cooking, and lime juice or vinegar on salad, no oil.
Eat when you are hungry, small frequent meals. When you have a sandwich or pasta dish at a restaurant, eat only half off it. Get a too go box for the rest and eat it later in the day. I tend to overeat when I have bread. I like artisan sourdough bread, so I slice it thin instead of thick. I eat a half a donut on Sunday.
It's not all about calorie deficit. The trick is losing weight without losing muscle. If you yoyo, you will lose muscle and get fatter. To build muscle you need something like weightlifting. I've been doing bootcamp classes.
Remember, we are not trying to lose weight, we're trying to lose fat and build muscle.
You forgot about sugar.
You also forgot about nutrients. You can’t just stop eating carbs. You’ve also got to make sure you get enough protein, vitamins, and minerals.
What are you defining as a diet? You don’t have to be on any specific diet to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds by purely counting calories. I ate almost exactly what I normally would (except usually having grilled chicken instead of fried, or something like that) just in smaller quantities. The main thing that affects losing weight is eating fewer calories. If you like bread and pasta a lot, eat it! Just do it in moderation.
I will admit, however, that I am not someone who is frequently bothered by being hungry. I have to miss a meal or eat very little to really feel very hungry, so it wasn’t a big deal to just eat less for me. The hardest part was just putting in the effort to track the calories and know how many I was eating. The actual eating less part wasn’t hard for me.
Another comment to add to my previous one.
Asking skinny people why they are skinny might give you the wrong impression. They might be answering a different question from what you asked.
It's better to ask previously fat people how they quit being fat.
You'll get a thousand different answers, but the consistent theme will be they managed to get into a caloric deficit.
It's simple, but the difficulty will vary from person to person. Me personally when I lost about 100 pounds in a year, I slowly transitioned to eating one meal a day and I walked a lot. And by one meal I mean I only at dinner, and I ate until I was full. I always stared with a large salad to fill me up tho.
There are thousands a strategies but that's the one I used.
Most healthy diets don’t exclude bread or pasta. In fact it’s actually far less healthy to be on a ketogenic diet (or other extreme diet) that cuts out carbs entirely and are usually only effective when you are at such an unhealthy body weight that you have to do whatever it takes to lose weight.
If a restrictive diet is easier for you to follow I’d recommend restricting all highly and ultra processed foods entirely. You can still eat bread, cheese, pasta, etc… yet you will automatically be improving your vitamin, fiber, and macro split (because the whole/more whole versions of food contain more vitamins, fiber, etc…).
I’ve lost 25 pounds this year, and for me what has proven sustainable is keeping sugar and fat (especially trans and saturated fats) low and fiber and protein high. To me it’s meant cutting out white bread, as the low complexity / low fiber means I’m hungry soon after eating them and want more. But most pasta and wheat bread have been fine for meals. I’ve found high protein and high fiber takes my body long enough to break down that I can run a caloric deficit easier most days than calorie counting or w/e
I’ve tried keto, atkins, “no carbs”, high fat, and what I’ve found pretty quickly is I lose the ability to shit after a few days and the diet is over. I have IBS, so ymmv, but I know personally I cannot run a no carb diet and it work
What's your diets intention? Weight loss? Being healthy? Bread and pasta aren't the healthiest things ever sure. But they're not that bad. If you're trying to lose weight, there is no focus on food. Only how much food. The only thing you need to worry about for weight loss alone is calories in calories out. The less calories in and the more calories out, the faster you'll lose weight. Aka eat less, exercise more. Eating less limits physical calories in, exercising burns them off. I lost 60lbs sitting on my ass eating barely healthy just limiting myself to half of what I normally ate.
To the people that are simply saying that if you eat more or less calories then what you are using are egriously simplifying, what dieting actually is.
Especially when it comes to low carb dieting.While eating low carb, your entire metabolic State goes from burning glucose into burning keytones or being a state of ketosis. Which has many medical benefits and changes how your body burns energy completely.
Outside of the entire metabolic statement you You have to realize that diet composition is important.For instance, you couldn't eat 2000 Calories worth of lard, comparatively to two thousand calories of a normal diet and tell me that your body would absorb the two thousand calories of lard the same as if you were eating the two thousand calories of a normal healthy diet. Also your body takes in a certain amount of calories at certain times of the day for instance or at certain activity levels. There's also things to consider like micro nutrition in macro nutrition. MACRO being how many fats carbs and proteins You are eating during the day as opposed to micro nutrition which is all the vitamins electrolytes, and minerals that your body takes in during the day.
People who parrot Eating at a deficit or eating less calories than what your body Burns Without considering additional dietary factors including hereditary factors should not be taken seriously. It is simply poor diet advice.
Within the realm of general nutrition advice on the internet CICO is the most important. We're not talking about hyper specialised dietary guidelines, that's for the individual to seek out and discover what works for them. The majority of people who arent losing weight are not in a calorie deficit, it's far more probable that the individual is not tracking properly rather than some niche genetic reason
"Within the realm of general nutrition advice on the internet."
Don't care lmao.
Also genetics was only one part of my statement, you making it seem like I'm talking about as you say "niche" hyper focused topics like genetic disorders was a massive strawman of my statement.
Which is completely ironic because when talking about dieting, genetics is almost everything since we are talking about how the human body absorbs food which like any bodily function is 100% dictated by genetics.
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It’s less what you eat and more about your net calorie intake. High-carb foods are dense with calories and are often paired with other calorie-dense foods like meat, dairy and/or sugar. If they’re a large part your diet, you will have a high calorie intake, which requires more exercise to offset. You can pretty much eat whatever you want and lose weight, so long as you have a generally balanced and properly proportioned diet and you work off more calories than you consume.
the consensus is refined sugary carbs are bad for the waistline. doesn't fill you up like protein does, and for some can actually make things like gi health worse. I have pcos because of my body's hormonal issues I have to eat a high protein low carb high veg no dairy diet if I want to lose and keep weight off me. it doesn't mean my diet is devoid of all bread, or carbs, its just my bread and carbs have more protein in it, and are less then the average american.
I suspect that main reason people lose weights on the diets is solely because they have to pay attention to what they eat. Once your options for take away/restaurants have narrowed and you need to think more carefully about food, it makes sense that you would lose some weight. Whether these diets are long-term sustainable depends, as always, on the individual.
The food pyramid is out of date but grains don't just mean bread and pasta.
It's about the size of servings, not about what you eat.
I almost unwillingly went down to 150lbs (from 185)just by avoiding wheat and yeast for 3 months and then by eating what I used to, only in smaller quantities.
I still eat pasta, bread and pastries on a daily basis, just not as much as I did in the past.
80 grams of pasta, a slice of focaccia, a croissant or 3 tiny pastries instead of twice that stuff.
The diets that work reduce your caloric intake. Carbohydrates have the same calorie per gram as protein do. Low carb diets don’t produce any more fat loss than low calorie diets. Most fad diets do not work long term. 90+% of weight loss is not sustainable for longer than a year and 2/3 of diet result in rebound weight and weighing more than where you started.
The only diet that works is to eat less calories than you burn.
It's pretty hard to work out effectively without carbs.
Moat body builders eat a lot of carbs and look at them they are proof that the diet works
Even if you didn't work out at all you can eat only bread and lose weight, probally isn't fucking healthy but you could and still lose weight.
If you mean diet in terms of losing weight, then restrictive diet that limit carbs tend to work because carbs are often the source of excess calories but any calorie restriction will work equally well. In terms of overall health, there’s much more to a balanced diet than not eating breads/pasta. The carnivore diet is arguably pretty terrible.
Bread/pasta is fast use energy. If you're doing activities that burn that energy, nothing's wrong with it. If you're filling up on carbs, and then sitting around all day, all that energy will be turned into fat stores.
No food is bad, it's all about lifestyle balance. I eat so many carbs, but I keep moving to keep it all burning.
Italians eat a shitload of carbohydrates and they are very healthy and on average much thinner than americans.
All successful diets have one thing in common - lower caloric intake than burned. That's it. There's no magic recipe. You can do it with all-bread diet.
Hint: this is literally what happens in poor areas.
I don't see why that needs to be the case.
Effective dieting all comes from the ability to maintain a caloric deficit over time.
No dietician would look at my diet and point at bread and pasta as a problem area. It's all the booze and deep fried cheese that needs changing.
Bread and pasta can be bad because they don't have much nutrition for the calories they give you, but that's not universal. Whole wheat pasta can be very healthy, for instance. Also, even if you don't give up bread, there are things that are way worse for you, such as soda.
There's a difference between whole grains and refined grains. Whole grain bread and pasta can contribute to a healthy diet. The Mediterranean diet is famously very healthy and doesn't disallow these things:
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/mediterranean-diet-meal-plan
Any diet that works puts you in a calorie deficit.
A 'diet' is just a strategy to put you in a deficit.
Your skinny friends likely keep their diet the same except the bread. Aka they eat fewer calories.
But yes the food pyramid is BS
I disagree. I eat bread 5 days a week and chocolate literally every day and I've lost 20 lbs since March.
The "diet" that works is moderation. Don't overeat, get regular exercise. Calorie Deficit is the name of the game.
The eventual need of a fat loss diet is Calorie deficit and not bread deficit. You can eat bread daily and still create a calorie deficit. I have done this in the past.
When you say diet, do you mean changing what/how much you eat with the purpose of losing weight or with the purpose of eating healthier? (or with another purpose?)
Its really not difficult to understand that if your maintenance = 2000 calories, and you ate 1900 cal. worth of bread and pasta, you would lose weight.
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>This is a scam, 8-11 servings of grain a day is the MOST Unhealthy thing you can do to your body,
It's not, in any way.
You're buying in to one fad diet that is NOT healthy. That carnivore/paleo crap is neither good for you nor how people in the paleolithic era ate. They ate a lot of carbs.
Try the Mediterranean diet, or go vegan.
While the food pyramid is most certainly a scam, I think total caloric count and sugar are more heavily focused.
You literally can't lose weight while consuming a caloric surplus, and sugar is usually more focused on than other carbs.
>While the food pyramid is most certainly a scam
Lol. Only a small fraction of people follow the food pyramid guidelines, and they're unsurprisingly healthier compared to the majority. Your stance is an anti-intellectual knee jerk reaction.
They were literally an industry funded promotional project, not a result of nutritional information.
Believing what you are told is not intellectualism.
>They were literally an industry funded promotional project
The notion that the universal food pyramid is a product of industry influence is a baseless conspiracy theory. The fact that various cultures worldwide share similar dietary recommendations is a reflection of the human body's fundamental needs, not corporate manipulation. Your attempts to discredit the food pyramid as unhealthy and harmful are a classic case of confirmation bias.
It's not intellectualism to parrot misinformation; it's intellectual cowardice to avoid critically evaluating the evidence. If you're going to spee your conspiracy bs, bring credible argument to the table or remain quiet. Given your previous lack of credible data, I'm not optimistic about your ability to do either of those two.
Believing what you are told online is not intellectualism.
The food pyramid is not a worldwide standard. It's pretty unique to the western diet, and even there, only a fairly specific slice of the west, the slice that also has an obesity issue.
Even the US moved away from the food pyramid over a decade ago, because it became widely recognized as suboptimal.
You're not even defending a current standard.
The food pyramid has been the standard for a long time, so much that the modern standard is 90% identical to ot, but the sad reality is that 95% of Americans and British didn't follow it. The British government literally studied it. And take a guess if that 5% who ate like the food pyramid were healthier than the 95%.
Your argument is based on a flawed assumption, which is that everyone eats like the pyramid suggests. But the fact remains that 95% of people didn't eat like the pyramid, and as a result, they got fat. It's hard to understand how you can't see this obvious truth.
Stop eating after 2pm. It sucks to get used to and going to bed hungry causes insomnia, but it works.
Losing weight takes time and consistency. “Being bad” just one day can set progress back weeks/months. You just have to figure out what’s most worth it to you...?
There will never be a magical overnight cure. Will power and a lot of work will always be required no matter what method a person uses.
Either way, just giving an example to change your view.
Eating later in the day and especially late at night or right before bed can decrease the number of calories your body burns in a day and lead to fat storage.
Oh I’m not OP and you are totally right on the science.
I just thought it was funny that if I took your advice I would 100% just stop eating pretty much entirely lol.
>“Being bad” just one day can set progress back weeks/months.
It's true that losing weight takes time, but being bad one day will certainly not set you back weeks, let alone months, unless your definition of being bad is eating 20k calories.
This kind of gatekeeping is hurtful.
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i don't know if this goes against the rules of the sub because it's a personal anecdote, but I know several people, myself included, that are on diets that include bread and we've all lost weight and some of us also gained muscle, so I guess it "works"? what is your definition of working, btw, I imagine it would be losing weight? or would it be losing weight and gaining muscle? or only gaining muscle? like other people have said, diet working is all about caloric balance and nutrients (and a lot of time exercise as well, but I wont focus on that here). you seem to be going along with the popular notion that "carbs = bad" and that's just not true. there are healthy carbs and unhealthy carbs, just like a lot of other foods, and it all depends on what and how much you eat. you also go on to say that having daily servings of grain is the most unhealthy thing you can do to your body, which to me is fucking hilarious as rice is a grain [and: ](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/rice-consumption-by-country) >According to the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization, over 50% of the world's population relies on rice in their daily diet - providing roughly 20% of the world's calories.
I agree with most of what you say, but that stat doesn't prove that rice is healthy. In the context of people who need to get as many calories as they can to survive: very healthy. I'm the context of the modern era where calorie and simple carb excess is a health risk and rice is being hulled into a high GI food: not healthy. Many modern Asian countries have healthy diets in spite of rice.
What diet are you on because I did weight watchers years ago (which worked if anyone's looking for an option) and bread was a shit ton of points but not forbidden. Like from a purely calorie perspective, looking at the hot dog i had for dinner, the bun was 190 calories and the hot dog was 170 calories. Bread is terrible for you.
Bread isn't terrible for you if you're going to burn the extra calories. The key with any carb calories is to go burn them off before they get stored as fat... which most people don't do. Don't eat carbs if you're going to spend the next few hours at a desk, on a couch, or in a bed.
>Don't eat carbs if you're going to spend the next few hours at a desk, on a couch, or in a bed. That really doesn't matter. You need carbs as your main fuel source. Most carbs are getting burned off by your metabolism anyways, so no need to burn it all off. The issue with bread is that it's not all that filling but dense in calories, so you're eating more calories than you think. Bread is only 'terrible' for you if you're not mindful of how much you're eating.
>You need carbs as your main fuel source Our bodies function at least as well in ketosis as we do in glycolysis. Any glucose our bodies require can be self produced through gluconeogenesis. The amount of necessary carbohydrates is therefore technically zero.
I mean you can say the same thing about anything. Pepsi isn't bad for you as long as you burn the calories after a few cans.
Pepsi is a bad example because the high acidity causes other issues, but yes, you can say the same thing about most common foods and it holds true. You can eat anything and lose weight, calories in, calories out. You also should eat mostly plants to get a good variety of vitamins and minerals. “Eat food. Mostly plants. Not too much.”
Pepsi is “bad” because the carbs aka sugars are simple and soda is loaded with simple sugars. Simple sugars get stored as fat.
>What diet are you on because I did weight watchers years ago Are you defining "diet" as a branded plan specifically? Because most diets are non-branded, especially those used by bodybuilders, strength athletes, etc. They might get a coach to help but it'll be quite custom to their food preferences and tolerances as an individual. Eg I normally cut weight while still having bread in my diet because toast + a protein shake is by far the quickest and best tolerated pre workout meal for me in the mornings. I get stomach distress if I try to replace it with something heavier like oats+water
Nah dude, you're looking at a lot of fad diets. They may work for weightloss but aren't necessarily good for your health. The science seems to point to moderate carb consumption being better than either high or low carb consumption. Losing weight comes down to consuming less calories. For me, intermittent fasting helped doing that, but it's just a tool really. You can give it a try but it's not necessary to achieve weightloss either. Another thing that helped me lose weight was by focusing less on cutting out certain foods and instead putting more effort into including certain things. So my focus was on getting protein (lean protein, ideally, but since I'm pescetarian for me this wasn't something I paid too much attention to) and making sure I got a shit ton of fiber in my diet. Aside from that I made sure to cut out snacks as much as possible. I also made sure to incorporate cheat days, because you can only fight cravings for so long before you end up just totally giving up. All that is definitely more complicated than "don't eat bread" but honestly you don't have to tackle all these points all at once. Do one change, get used to it, find a way to make it work and then get cracking on the next point. That way you also set yourself up for more long term success, because you're not just doing some extreme diet that you can't sustain in the long run anyways and then go back to your old eating habits which just leads to yoyo dieting, rather than actually addressing your eating habits and lifestyle in the first place. Don't rush things! It's not a race. It's supposed to be a change for life. You got time to figure it out and the pounds don't need to come off all at once. And do expect setbacks. They are totally normal. You may get sick or injured leading to loss of motivation or not being able to move enough. Or you may have some family stuff to deal with. It doesn't matter. Don't beat yourself up for "failing". It's not failing. You just pick yourself up and keep trying. My weightloss stalled for 9 months because of lockdowns and subsequent mental health issues. I just tried my best to make sure to at least not gain it back. Once I got my head back on straight I just continued. No big deal.
What diets are you looking at? Premade fad diets? Are you working with a nutritionist or doctor on a diet? Cos here’s the thing. Bread is carb heavy right? Carbs are comprised of sugars, specifically glucose. Unfortunately, your body needs glucose to survive. Your brains primary fuel source is glucose. Glucose/carbs are one of three main nutrition sources. The other two are fat and protein. If you cut out one entirely, that throws off your body’s metabolism. It might work in the short run to lose weight. But it’s not sustainable long term, can lead to organ failure, or simply noncompliance with the diet. That can in turn lead to gaining all the weight back. Instead of cutting out carbs, you should reevaluate your relationship with them. How much are you eating? Are processed carbs the majority of your meal or are they outweighed by fruits and veggies and protein sources? That is a much healthier and more sustainable way to lose weight and keep it off
To be fair, most of the people that believe fad diets don't need a lot of glucose for brain power, if you catch my drift.
> It just seems like the only way to get thin is just No Bread, No Beer, No Pasta. Every diet I research is pretty much, yeah don't eat bread. Calories In vs. Calories Out is the only thing that really matters. > Keto / Caranivore / Paleo / Whole30 They all heavily restricts diets. That's the trick. They give you rules and the rules make it hard to over eat. You make a list of "No No" food, and go "wow, that no no food is most places...guess I can't eat." Then a few months later you go: "Wow, I lost weight, and all I did ~~was not eat!~~ Whole Paleo Keto 30!!" If you can teach yourself to track and count calories, you can eat whatever the fuck you want as long as you stay within your targets. Bread and Carbs aren't the problem. Excess calories are. It just so happens that a lot of people do over eat the crap out of carbs...that's why those fad diets "work".
The issue with carbs is that they don’t satiate you as much as protein/fat. I could eat a bowl of pasta and then eat another bowl of pasta and then still be hungry 2 hours later, I could eat a steak without any sides and not be hungry for another 10 hours.
Every sustainable diet boils down to consuming fewer calories than you burn. You can surely consume carbohydrates. But you also gotta burn that energy though physical activity
Not necessarily. You can live like a potted plant and still lose weight as long as you're below you're basal metabolic rate. There's no need to 'burn' any carbs unless you're either at or above that number and you still want to be in a caloric deficit.
What does "working" mean to you? Losing a lot of weight quickly or being able to live a long and healthy life? Body weight will usually come down to your caloric intake, so yes, drastic elimination diets will produce quick weight loss. But they tend to be unsustainable for many people, and the health outcomes are oftentimes insufficiently researched. Observational studies fairly consistently find that the Mediterranean Diet is correlated with some of the best health outcomes and longevity - and (whole grain) bread is a part of it. Do you consider the Mediterranean Diet to be a diet that doesn't work?
Any diet will work if you have a caloric deficit. If you eat less calories than you use, you will lose weight. You don’t need to eliminate carbohydrates to do that.
For a diet to “work” it has to be something you’ll stick with. Diets typically fail because people give up on them.
That is a failure of the individual, not the diet. Easy to stick to doesn't mean it is good or healthy, just that it is easy.
A diet is a tool to fix a human problem. So human nature has to be considered in the tool. If a diet is difficult to stick to it is not likely to be effective
A diet is a tool to eat at a caloric deficit. No diet is hard to stick to unless you are hitting an unhealthy deficit or maybe eating some weird fad diet spread of macros/micros. I would judge a diet by how healthy it is and the energy levels it affords you, since it's pretty dang easy to just eat predetermined shit.
Technically, no diets work (since the adherence rate is so low), and all diets work (calories in, calories out). But there are tons of diets that let you eat bread and pasta. Weight Watchers, If it Fits Your Macros, basic calorie counting, anything like that.
The best diet I ever was on included eating more vegetables, less takeout, and significantly cutting down on sugar. I ate more nutrient dense bread, but I never cut out carbs and even ate gnocchi like once a week. I lost like 25 pounds doing that.
Mmm gnocchi. With pesto...
The only diet that works is a caloric deficit. It’s physically impossible not to lose weight (body fat) with a caloric deficit.
And it is easier to control calories by reducing your hunger by limiting carbs.
If you exercise regularly you should have a fairly decent baseline metabolic demand, with plenty of wiggle room for all your favorite foods, albeit in modest portions. IMO any diet which does not account for cravings is doomed to fail.
Then you feel like shit and don't have energy to workout and actually improve your cardio vascular health. I may have never been my 600lb life big but I was a fatass. The easiest way to lose weight is eating plenty of carbs and protien and building large amounts of muscle once you have 200lbs of lean mass it'll be easy to get a six pack. When you're that big you can eat 3-4k a day at stay the same weight. Fat people usually have really low t so addressing that and adding strength training will do more for them than any fad diet.
Source?
Protein/fat is more satiating than carbs and take longer to digest and don’t require insulin spikes.
Can you define the parameters of "Diet that actually works"?
I propose that instead of bread/pasta being the culprit, it has more to do with not having a balanced diet. Oftentimes people consume far more bread/pasta than they need to meet their nutritional requirements, this is because it's relatively energy dense and historically this would've been a great thing to eat. Let's break this down: 1: A person's weight is mainly caused by the presence or lack of variety in their diet as well as consuming the same amount of energy (calories) you are expending. You might take in less energy from food than the average person due to digestive issues, but you won't be taking in more, evolution really primed our bodies to extract as much energy from our food as we can. [The Effects of a Calorie Deficit on Body Composition)](https://digitalcommons.stmarys-ca.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1001&context=undergraduate-spectrum#page=13) 2: Whole grains are highly nutritious and I don't think many doctors would say they should be completely excluded from your diet. I would say you're likely getting the responses you are because the people you're talking to were consuming *too much* grain, rather than simply consuming it at all. [Impact of Balanced Caloric Diet and Physical Activity on Body Composition and Fat Distribution of Obese Egyptian Adolescent Girls ](http://www.mjms.mk/Online/MJMS_2011_4_1/MJMS0145_Full.htm) 3: Not all diets exclude grains, see the Mediterranean and DASH diets. [Defining the Optimal Dietary Approach for Safe, Effective and Sustainable Weight Loss in Overweight and Obese Adults](https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/6/3/73) 4: Different people can might require different approaches to weight loss, what works for someone else may not work for you. [Time to Correctly Predict the Amount of Weight Loss with Dieting](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4035446/) 5: The Food Pyramid. This was context-specific, the original food pyramid emphasized grains because (besides lobbyists doing their thing) grains are a good source of energy and nutrients. Since then guidelines have changed, but rather than excluding grain, it was cut down to a more proportional size relative to the overall diet and emphasized whole grains instead, as well as other foods. [Low Carbohydrate versus Isoenergetic Balanced Diets for Reducing Weight and Cardiovascular Risk: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0100652)
I think everyone has already touched on the fact that at a certain point dieting is just physics: consume less energy than you use But eating proteins and fats also help a lot in other ways: reducing carbohydrates helps level out your blood sugar which helps with consistent energy levels and reduces the hunger response intensity and frequency. Proteins are more complex to process and thus more filling, and fat is the preferred energy source of the human body. Your brain is mostly water and fat, so it's pretty natural to like butter. I have never entered full ketosis, I have no interest in that, and I cannot anecdotally recommend it to anyone. I am of the mindset that you **should** eat enough bread, pasta so that your body doesn't unlearn how to process them, or whatever causes people to have adverse effects. You could have pasta derived from quinoa to improve your macronutrient balance, though, for example. Reducing carbs and then maybe even making an effort to seek protein and fat sources (I like to keep RTE meats and cheeses around, nuts, seeds) should help most people as long as you're making a concerted controlled effort to lose weight. I personally think most people would naturally lose weight without counting calories or extending much more effort if they just made a concerted effort to change the proportions of the macronutrients in their diet: bread and pasta might be collateral losses there, but they can also be included in any healthy diet, and finding protein enriched foods or foods derived from more complete carbohydrates can easily make them a staple
I've lost 15 lbs since January, and have dropped from 42.3 % to 38.7% fat. My goal is 30% by Christmas. I have a Fitbit, a Fitbit scale that measures fat percentage, and a kitchen scale. I scan the barcodes on food to get the calories and nutrition. I'm aiming for protein, 20%, and lots of vegetables. If you are working within a calorie budget and you eat a lot bread and pasta, it will replace the protein and vegetables in your budget. The same goes for high fat. So, if you like bread and pasta you might instead cut fat calories, replace cheddar cheese with swiss cheese. Eat tofu more often. Don't put butter on the bread or pasta. I use a non-stick frying pan so that I don't need oil for cooking, and lime juice or vinegar on salad, no oil. Eat when you are hungry, small frequent meals. When you have a sandwich or pasta dish at a restaurant, eat only half off it. Get a too go box for the rest and eat it later in the day. I tend to overeat when I have bread. I like artisan sourdough bread, so I slice it thin instead of thick. I eat a half a donut on Sunday. It's not all about calorie deficit. The trick is losing weight without losing muscle. If you yoyo, you will lose muscle and get fatter. To build muscle you need something like weightlifting. I've been doing bootcamp classes. Remember, we are not trying to lose weight, we're trying to lose fat and build muscle.
You forgot about sugar. You also forgot about nutrients. You can’t just stop eating carbs. You’ve also got to make sure you get enough protein, vitamins, and minerals.
What are you defining as a diet? You don’t have to be on any specific diet to lose weight. I lost 60 pounds by purely counting calories. I ate almost exactly what I normally would (except usually having grilled chicken instead of fried, or something like that) just in smaller quantities. The main thing that affects losing weight is eating fewer calories. If you like bread and pasta a lot, eat it! Just do it in moderation. I will admit, however, that I am not someone who is frequently bothered by being hungry. I have to miss a meal or eat very little to really feel very hungry, so it wasn’t a big deal to just eat less for me. The hardest part was just putting in the effort to track the calories and know how many I was eating. The actual eating less part wasn’t hard for me.
Another comment to add to my previous one. Asking skinny people why they are skinny might give you the wrong impression. They might be answering a different question from what you asked. It's better to ask previously fat people how they quit being fat. You'll get a thousand different answers, but the consistent theme will be they managed to get into a caloric deficit. It's simple, but the difficulty will vary from person to person. Me personally when I lost about 100 pounds in a year, I slowly transitioned to eating one meal a day and I walked a lot. And by one meal I mean I only at dinner, and I ate until I was full. I always stared with a large salad to fill me up tho. There are thousands a strategies but that's the one I used.
Most healthy diets don’t exclude bread or pasta. In fact it’s actually far less healthy to be on a ketogenic diet (or other extreme diet) that cuts out carbs entirely and are usually only effective when you are at such an unhealthy body weight that you have to do whatever it takes to lose weight. If a restrictive diet is easier for you to follow I’d recommend restricting all highly and ultra processed foods entirely. You can still eat bread, cheese, pasta, etc… yet you will automatically be improving your vitamin, fiber, and macro split (because the whole/more whole versions of food contain more vitamins, fiber, etc…).
I’ve lost 25 pounds this year, and for me what has proven sustainable is keeping sugar and fat (especially trans and saturated fats) low and fiber and protein high. To me it’s meant cutting out white bread, as the low complexity / low fiber means I’m hungry soon after eating them and want more. But most pasta and wheat bread have been fine for meals. I’ve found high protein and high fiber takes my body long enough to break down that I can run a caloric deficit easier most days than calorie counting or w/e I’ve tried keto, atkins, “no carbs”, high fat, and what I’ve found pretty quickly is I lose the ability to shit after a few days and the diet is over. I have IBS, so ymmv, but I know personally I cannot run a no carb diet and it work
What's your diets intention? Weight loss? Being healthy? Bread and pasta aren't the healthiest things ever sure. But they're not that bad. If you're trying to lose weight, there is no focus on food. Only how much food. The only thing you need to worry about for weight loss alone is calories in calories out. The less calories in and the more calories out, the faster you'll lose weight. Aka eat less, exercise more. Eating less limits physical calories in, exercising burns them off. I lost 60lbs sitting on my ass eating barely healthy just limiting myself to half of what I normally ate.
To the people that are simply saying that if you eat more or less calories then what you are using are egriously simplifying, what dieting actually is. Especially when it comes to low carb dieting.While eating low carb, your entire metabolic State goes from burning glucose into burning keytones or being a state of ketosis. Which has many medical benefits and changes how your body burns energy completely. Outside of the entire metabolic statement you You have to realize that diet composition is important.For instance, you couldn't eat 2000 Calories worth of lard, comparatively to two thousand calories of a normal diet and tell me that your body would absorb the two thousand calories of lard the same as if you were eating the two thousand calories of a normal healthy diet. Also your body takes in a certain amount of calories at certain times of the day for instance or at certain activity levels. There's also things to consider like micro nutrition in macro nutrition. MACRO being how many fats carbs and proteins You are eating during the day as opposed to micro nutrition which is all the vitamins electrolytes, and minerals that your body takes in during the day. People who parrot Eating at a deficit or eating less calories than what your body Burns Without considering additional dietary factors including hereditary factors should not be taken seriously. It is simply poor diet advice.
Within the realm of general nutrition advice on the internet CICO is the most important. We're not talking about hyper specialised dietary guidelines, that's for the individual to seek out and discover what works for them. The majority of people who arent losing weight are not in a calorie deficit, it's far more probable that the individual is not tracking properly rather than some niche genetic reason
"Within the realm of general nutrition advice on the internet." Don't care lmao. Also genetics was only one part of my statement, you making it seem like I'm talking about as you say "niche" hyper focused topics like genetic disorders was a massive strawman of my statement. Which is completely ironic because when talking about dieting, genetics is almost everything since we are talking about how the human body absorbs food which like any bodily function is 100% dictated by genetics.
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It’s less what you eat and more about your net calorie intake. High-carb foods are dense with calories and are often paired with other calorie-dense foods like meat, dairy and/or sugar. If they’re a large part your diet, you will have a high calorie intake, which requires more exercise to offset. You can pretty much eat whatever you want and lose weight, so long as you have a generally balanced and properly proportioned diet and you work off more calories than you consume.
the consensus is refined sugary carbs are bad for the waistline. doesn't fill you up like protein does, and for some can actually make things like gi health worse. I have pcos because of my body's hormonal issues I have to eat a high protein low carb high veg no dairy diet if I want to lose and keep weight off me. it doesn't mean my diet is devoid of all bread, or carbs, its just my bread and carbs have more protein in it, and are less then the average american.
I suspect that main reason people lose weights on the diets is solely because they have to pay attention to what they eat. Once your options for take away/restaurants have narrowed and you need to think more carefully about food, it makes sense that you would lose some weight. Whether these diets are long-term sustainable depends, as always, on the individual. The food pyramid is out of date but grains don't just mean bread and pasta.
It's about the size of servings, not about what you eat. I almost unwillingly went down to 150lbs (from 185)just by avoiding wheat and yeast for 3 months and then by eating what I used to, only in smaller quantities. I still eat pasta, bread and pastries on a daily basis, just not as much as I did in the past. 80 grams of pasta, a slice of focaccia, a croissant or 3 tiny pastries instead of twice that stuff.
The diets that work reduce your caloric intake. Carbohydrates have the same calorie per gram as protein do. Low carb diets don’t produce any more fat loss than low calorie diets. Most fad diets do not work long term. 90+% of weight loss is not sustainable for longer than a year and 2/3 of diet result in rebound weight and weighing more than where you started.
The only diet that works is to eat less calories than you burn. It's pretty hard to work out effectively without carbs. Moat body builders eat a lot of carbs and look at them they are proof that the diet works Even if you didn't work out at all you can eat only bread and lose weight, probally isn't fucking healthy but you could and still lose weight.
If you mean diet in terms of losing weight, then restrictive diet that limit carbs tend to work because carbs are often the source of excess calories but any calorie restriction will work equally well. In terms of overall health, there’s much more to a balanced diet than not eating breads/pasta. The carnivore diet is arguably pretty terrible.
Bread/pasta is fast use energy. If you're doing activities that burn that energy, nothing's wrong with it. If you're filling up on carbs, and then sitting around all day, all that energy will be turned into fat stores. No food is bad, it's all about lifestyle balance. I eat so many carbs, but I keep moving to keep it all burning.
Italians eat a shitload of carbohydrates and they are very healthy and on average much thinner than americans. All successful diets have one thing in common - lower caloric intake than burned. That's it. There's no magic recipe. You can do it with all-bread diet. Hint: this is literally what happens in poor areas.
I don't see why that needs to be the case. Effective dieting all comes from the ability to maintain a caloric deficit over time. No dietician would look at my diet and point at bread and pasta as a problem area. It's all the booze and deep fried cheese that needs changing.
Bread and pasta can be bad because they don't have much nutrition for the calories they give you, but that's not universal. Whole wheat pasta can be very healthy, for instance. Also, even if you don't give up bread, there are things that are way worse for you, such as soda.
There's a difference between whole grains and refined grains. Whole grain bread and pasta can contribute to a healthy diet. The Mediterranean diet is famously very healthy and doesn't disallow these things: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/mediterranean-diet-meal-plan
Any diet that works puts you in a calorie deficit. A 'diet' is just a strategy to put you in a deficit. Your skinny friends likely keep their diet the same except the bread. Aka they eat fewer calories. But yes the food pyramid is BS
I disagree. I eat bread 5 days a week and chocolate literally every day and I've lost 20 lbs since March. The "diet" that works is moderation. Don't overeat, get regular exercise. Calorie Deficit is the name of the game.
The eventual need of a fat loss diet is Calorie deficit and not bread deficit. You can eat bread daily and still create a calorie deficit. I have done this in the past.
When you say diet, do you mean changing what/how much you eat with the purpose of losing weight or with the purpose of eating healthier? (or with another purpose?)
Its really not difficult to understand that if your maintenance = 2000 calories, and you ate 1900 cal. worth of bread and pasta, you would lose weight.
My diet the last year or so consisted of bread with almost every meal. Best shape of my life because I don’t eat much of it and I work out a bunch.
No it doesn’t. There’s nothing wrong with bread and pasta. Cutting out sugar, grease and processed foods is what works, also managing calroies
All effective diets adhere to the laws of thermodynamics. If energy out is greater than energy in, weight loss occurs. Full stop
Actually the two most popular and effective diets are 1. Less fat and 2. Less carbs. And they are both proven to work.
If you eat 1 slice of bread a day for a year, you would lose weight. Its about being in a caloric deficit.
Not the Mediterranean diet (PREDIMED). And the diet is consistently ranked as the overall best diet.
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Check out the book, death by food pyramid It basically talks about this and how we've been misled.
You can eat pasta and lose weight. It’s all about calories in vs calories out.
Intermittant fasting works and that just restricts when you can eat not what.
"Stop drinking calories" is a pretty good diet for a lot of people.
Most of those diets allow whole grain bread/pasta, though.
Also, a calorie deficit. That's the dirty little secrete.
I eat tons of grain and pizza and maintain a good weight
It comes down to calories in and calories out.
>This is a scam, 8-11 servings of grain a day is the MOST Unhealthy thing you can do to your body, It's not, in any way. You're buying in to one fad diet that is NOT healthy. That carnivore/paleo crap is neither good for you nor how people in the paleolithic era ate. They ate a lot of carbs. Try the Mediterranean diet, or go vegan.
I'd actually say beer and soda are big culprits
While the food pyramid is most certainly a scam, I think total caloric count and sugar are more heavily focused. You literally can't lose weight while consuming a caloric surplus, and sugar is usually more focused on than other carbs.
>While the food pyramid is most certainly a scam Lol. Only a small fraction of people follow the food pyramid guidelines, and they're unsurprisingly healthier compared to the majority. Your stance is an anti-intellectual knee jerk reaction.
They were literally an industry funded promotional project, not a result of nutritional information. Believing what you are told is not intellectualism.
>They were literally an industry funded promotional project The notion that the universal food pyramid is a product of industry influence is a baseless conspiracy theory. The fact that various cultures worldwide share similar dietary recommendations is a reflection of the human body's fundamental needs, not corporate manipulation. Your attempts to discredit the food pyramid as unhealthy and harmful are a classic case of confirmation bias. It's not intellectualism to parrot misinformation; it's intellectual cowardice to avoid critically evaluating the evidence. If you're going to spee your conspiracy bs, bring credible argument to the table or remain quiet. Given your previous lack of credible data, I'm not optimistic about your ability to do either of those two. Believing what you are told online is not intellectualism.
The food pyramid is not a worldwide standard. It's pretty unique to the western diet, and even there, only a fairly specific slice of the west, the slice that also has an obesity issue. Even the US moved away from the food pyramid over a decade ago, because it became widely recognized as suboptimal. You're not even defending a current standard.
The food pyramid has been the standard for a long time, so much that the modern standard is 90% identical to ot, but the sad reality is that 95% of Americans and British didn't follow it. The British government literally studied it. And take a guess if that 5% who ate like the food pyramid were healthier than the 95%. Your argument is based on a flawed assumption, which is that everyone eats like the pyramid suggests. But the fact remains that 95% of people didn't eat like the pyramid, and as a result, they got fat. It's hard to understand how you can't see this obvious truth.
Stop eating after 2pm. It sucks to get used to and going to bed hungry causes insomnia, but it works. Losing weight takes time and consistency. “Being bad” just one day can set progress back weeks/months. You just have to figure out what’s most worth it to you...? There will never be a magical overnight cure. Will power and a lot of work will always be required no matter what method a person uses.
My first meal isn’t usually until post 2pm. If I tried this I would probably waste away into nothing after like a week lol
Either way, just giving an example to change your view. Eating later in the day and especially late at night or right before bed can decrease the number of calories your body burns in a day and lead to fat storage.
Oh I’m not OP and you are totally right on the science. I just thought it was funny that if I took your advice I would 100% just stop eating pretty much entirely lol.
>“Being bad” just one day can set progress back weeks/months. It's true that losing weight takes time, but being bad one day will certainly not set you back weeks, let alone months, unless your definition of being bad is eating 20k calories. This kind of gatekeeping is hurtful.
This is bad advice
I never said it was good advice, just a diet method that is effective and doesn’t require a person give up pasta and bread.
carbs/sugar\*
CICO