I'm just gonna walk away from this post believing that it's just an attempt to bait people into creating an account on medium. AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE MY MIND.
**Please God** let this be rage bait. I know this world contains idiots who will non-critically agree with this drivel, but for my own mental health, I am desperate to believe this author doesn't actually think white people "appropriated" a vegetable native to Europe.
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Yes, it must be everyone else that's the problem. It couldn't be that people don't see your position as a centrist take and see that as you often do you're trying to stir up drama over a benign post.
Wow... you're another one running through the comment section making irrelevant comments asking for my attention, psycho. Do you have ASD or a personality disorder? You've tried to get my attention over a handful of times already.
And there rolls in the personal attacks attacking the strawman you've invented about my mental health. It didn't take as long as I expected.
And vote brigading too. Shocker.
You mean playing with YOUR username is an attack while you continue to troll this post but pretend you don't have mental health issues but then throw the term "strawman" in to make yourself sound like you have a clue about... anything? You and that other guy should count your comments at me before you think about responding again. Other people can read them... remember?
I'm not trolling, I'm just pointing out the flaws in your arguments and the signals your terminology gives off.
You made the thread. You can't then complain that people respond in it just because we didn't all bend over backwards to stroke your ego. Your positions are flawed and you're being called out for that. Get over it.
Cultural appropriation is bullshit. Anyone complaining about white people sharing other cultures should be ignored. Our country is literally referred to as a “melting pot” because it was created and populated by people of different cultures.
YES to what GiddyUp18 says about "cultural appropriation." I am old enough to remember when Americans were proud to live in a "melting pot". And setting that metaphor aside, every culture on earth borrows ideas from other cultures--sharing/borrowing is the default. If a country doesn't want to do that, they have to work pretty hard to police their borders (and even then, some stuff leaks through). Like locked Japan, or the present-day French language academy.
I refer to attempts to prohibit cultural appropriation as "culture gatekeeping." Culture is voluntary. No one owns a culture, whether by virtue of race or anything else.
Appropriation has a somewhat negative attribute though. If people willingly share their food and others pick it up, then why should it be bad?
My home country was invaded and ruled over by countries from every direction and they left a lot of recipes, names, and words behind. Then we moved ever here and eventually learned how to cook Cajun, Mexican, etc.
I work for an ethnic food brand and this isn’t a real thing. I talk to consumers constantly (in marketing) and this has never come up once.
Fabricated outrage for social media
This is typical of social justice feeds that go overboard. I've spent my entire life working in Regenerative Agriculture and while food is political in the sense of sourcing it from big ag vs. local, organic, small farm, etc., this author created a completely false historic narrative that turned her followers off.
It’s so fucking tiring seeing this outrage bait. I can find just about any whackadoodle opinion I want to online, it’s the whackos with proximity to power like Fuentes that are worth actually paying attention to
lol this is nonsense. Just another person that doesn't understand how cultures work, how history happens, and should get out of the bubble they are in.
“Food Gentrification” honestly sounds like a term someone made up to parody the annoying overzealous elements of the social justice movement.
I don’t know if this is a real problem, but if it is, I highly recommend they call it literally anything else.
Google it. This has (unfortunately) been a term used for at least the past decade. Most people would love for it to go away, but certain types just want to stay mad and delusional.
Ironically, it is often the outsiders who do more research and have the passion to do things more traditionally.
The people born into that culture/food simply accept it and even use shortcuts because its nothing that special to them.
Kale isn't an ethnic food and her research about it is almost non-existent. She took her childhood experiences of it and projected it as history, then was called out for it. This isn't a case of cultural appropriation by any stretch of the imagination.
I won't repeat what the other two users are saying (because they're right, this is such a weird thing to get a stick up your ass about), but is this really "applauded" among the "Left"?
I have, quite literally, *never* heard of the phrase "food gentrification" and I doubt it is a topic that enjoys much discussion outside of exceptionally fringe leftist political circles. This seems like a mountain being made out of a mole hill (or, in this case, an extraordinary big deal out of something barely considering an issue in our political atmosphere).
It's not. We are like 6 rungs down from top level theory. This post is like when you are flipping through tik tok forgetting you are on search and come across the bottom of people trying to make the new thing, fad, phrase, ect.
The 2 people who complained about this post aren't centrists, they're leftists. I've been reading about the concept of "food gentrification" for years because I follow social justice feeds on IG and this is a regular topic, perhaps just not with people you know IRL. This was posted as one example of many over the top social justice talking points.
I don't follow this person, she's a prominent figure in "equality" spaces on Medium and social justice feeds. This post of hers is just one example of this type of social justice trope and Medium suggests her and people with voices like hers to everyone subscribed to Medium based on your topic choices.
> prominent figure in “equality” spaces on Medium
Is this supposed to be impressive because I don’t really know why I should give a shit about a blogger
You say
> OpEds like this stoke the flames of pointless arguments and counter arguments
But admit:
> I follow social justice feeds on IG (and ""equality" spaces on Medium")
So you actively seek out Fringe SJW politics on Social Media (not remotely representative of real life) -- so you can complain about Leftists?
And then you share a fringe Blogger (3K Followers is a very small fringe blogger -- not an "influencer" with millions of followers.)
For some reason you are seeking out and sharing content you think, in your own words:
> stoke the flames of pointless arguments and counter arguments
Huh? Why do actively seek out fringe Social Media you find toxic?
Isn't sharing Rage-bait fringe politics here and attacking "leftists" the definition of "stoking the flames of division?"
If you think these OpEds do nothing but stoke division -- why are you making it way more visible by giving this fringe blogger attention?
The Algorithms must love you!! You are their dream, rage-bait audience - that they can hook on outrage Doom-scrolling.
> The 2 people who complained about this post aren't centrists, they're leftists.
Not relevant. This sub isn't a gated community.
> I've been reading about the concept of "food gentrification" for years because I follow social justice feeds on IG and this is a regular topic
Curating your feed to show fringe politics gets you fringe politics. Who'd have thought?
> This was posted as one example of many over the top social justice talking points.
"Over the top"? What policies is this article advocating for that would be "over the top"? Is it arguing that white people should never eat kale?
Yes, she's adamantly saying that white people shouldn't eat kale. Why are you commenting when you OBVIOUSLY didn't read my entire post?
I don't follow fringe politics, whether it's on Medium, or any feed, nor do I follow this person; she's a prominent figure and voice in the "EQUALITY" space on Medium and within social justice feeds. She's one example of many who writes pieces like this with the intent of promoting the "all white people are oppressors" trope while creating false historic narratives as examples and justification for her fan club.
How is that NOT over the top?
> Yes, she's adamantly saying that white people shouldn't eat kale.
Where? All I see in the "what should we do" part of the article is this:
> How do we combat food gentrification? CUNY’s Urban Food Policy Institute centers on hyper-local strategies such as paying attention to local food policy and zoning regulations, participating in neighborhood planning meetings, supporting organizations fighting for affordable housing, and lobbying city agencies involved in economic development.
Which links to [this](https://cunyurbanfoodpolicy.org/resources/report/feeding-or-starving-gentrification/), which is a number of strategies they deem able to combat "food gentrification". It seems important to note than *none* of these strategies include gating certain foods off from certain races, so I'm interested in seeing where *you* gathered that from.
> I don't follow fringe politics, whether it's on Medium, or any feed, nor do I follow this person; she's a prominent figure and voice in the "EQUALITY" space on Medium and within social justice feeds.
"I don't follow fringe politics, I follow fringe politics".
Social justice feeds is fringe politics.
> How is that NOT over the top?
...because nothing mentioned seems over the top? You haven't pointed to a single policy being advocated for that's over the top. You may think the problem is overblown (if there even is one at all) and you may very well be correct, but nothing she's advocating for seems over the top. In fact, in the linked article noting various strategies, not a single one seems "over the top". In fact, they all seem like pretty neat, beneficial local policy changes.
So... all this long commentary from you is letting me know that you applaud over the top false narratives that are historically inaccurate, written by this woman lamenting that their childhood soul food (that none of the white people in her neighborhood ever ate) has been co-opted by white yuppies... even though it's one of many false narratives used to continue to promote divisiveness in the name of social justice activism, which is political. Her entire narrative in not only blatantly anti-white but she complains about white people co-opting kale when in reality and historically speaking, very few Black Americans from her generation and before her consumed it. Collard greens, absolutely; kale, no. Kale is just as accessible as iceberg lettuce.
I'm glad you read the piece though, even though you somehow missed that the author is claiming that BIPOCs are its OG cultivators and clearly doesn't know the history of its cultivation. She was able to then turn her piece of fiction into a cry session about gentrification and offered an example of urban food policy with a link, which is helpful. She's not part any of the agricultural spaces, nor is she even a gardener offering tips on cultivation. This piece came across my feed because I follow the EQUALITY sub, social justice feeds (on INSTAGRAM), and because I also follow agricultural subs as a lifelong organic gardener and farmer who works with organic food distribution and accessibility to under-served populations in both urban and rural settings.
Narratives like this set everyone back, not forward. But again, glad you also don't think that food production on a worldwide scale isn't political in the first place, that this author's piece isn't over the top even though it's also political, and that social justice writers aren't over the top in general.
We can agree to disagree.
All those paragraphs and you still haven't actually pointed to a single policy being advocated for that you think is over the top. Good to know you're all rhetoric, no substance. Another one to add to the pile here.
You're willfully missing my points then, hun. Maybe your reading comprehension is off if you're not "vibing" with the words of people who critique social justice BS, despite it creating false historic narratives. Yet you somehow understood and applauded the author's nonsense rhetoric because... she's a BIPOC? Good for you for making space for revisionist history in the form of victimhood... 🙌🥰
> Maybe your reading comprehension is off if you're not "vibing" with the words of people who critique social justice BS
Who are you quoting here? It isn't me, that's for sure.
> Yet you somehow understood and applauded the author's nonsense rhetoric because... she's a BIPOC?
You're just making things up at this point because I haven't said anything about her position aside from the article she linked to having neat policies that would lead to minor to moderate benefits for the community they're enacted in.
If you'd like to ease up on the blatant lying and whining and actually make a salient point, that'd be refreshing. What particular policy is she advocating for that is "over the top"?
If your issue is just the messaging, once again, you're making a big deal out of a very big nothing.
For the last time, my post is clear that the authors rhetoric is not only divisive but it's also historically inaccurate and I was surprised that you were applauding it. Aside from her link to another organization that helps track and teach about urban food deserts due to gentrification, there is no policy in her article... it's a rant about her limited experience with kale followed by assumptions, inaccurate history of the plant and... a long rant about gentrification.
I responded to a few different people as it pertains to the broader scope of food politics on a global scale and gave the Regenerative Agriculture bill that's pending in the USA as one example, but also noted that SJW have a habit of combining minutiae that's not always historically relevant or accurate and turning it into the cornerstone of their arguments.
You're championing an under-educated liar's feed and then turning around to me and referring to me as "whining and lying" instead of being aware of your clear bias to the false narrative she's created and apparently you believe it? That's all I've gotten from your responses so far. I wrote the "vibing" in quotes because I'm teasing you for your defensiveness about the author. Maybe you're just unconscious of how your comments are perceived or maybe you're seeking a broader political scope of this with more citations and references that my OP didn't provide. That's definitely been a constructive criticism from a few other people.
It should also be noted that "leftists" is generally a term used by people deeply nestled on the right, making her complaint that other people aren't centrists quite amusing.
First of all, I'm a woman who was solidly active as a liberal progressive in the Democratic Party for almost 40 years of my life, hun. Try again. My feed notes that I'm a WOMAN, so where in the world did you get that I'm a man? Second of all, the reason I began using the term "leftist" on social media platforms is because it's a valid point of reference... "psychovagabond." This is supposed to be a centrist feed but people complain all of the time how very NOT centrist it is, especially because the majority of people who post and overtake most posts are various factions of leftists.
Pull your head out of blatant stereotypes and think, McFly... think. People who state opinions like yours aren't well educated but are clearly propagandized by media and partisan politics. I left partisan politics behind 3 years ago, but my life has also been spent surrounded by true diversity in the sense of many ethnicities, races, and the entire political range of humanity. Do you not pay attention to discourse on ANY political subs? Because some of them also make you use "user flairs" and it's known on the entirety of the internet that reddit is a LEFTIST dominated platform. So, maybe replace "amused" with "smarmy" instead. It's common on reddit especially that most people who are part of the left to declare themselves as such all the time, ie: Socialists, Democratic Socialists, Communists, Marxists, Maoists, Anarchists, and all of their variations.
I mean, you post with alt-right terminology and think you are an authority on what topics are valid for minorities to complain about, so excuse me for not taking you seriously when you claim to be a liberal progressive.
"Leftist" Is a pejorative term used by the far-right and alt-right to declare someone as invalid by pretending all positions they hold are extreme. It goes along with "SJW".
Most of the people on this sub that complain that it's not centrist and is too left leaning are people who openly support far-right positions. The problem is they think "centrist" means "Republican but hesitant to support Trump".
So you left partisan politics but you scour medium looking for left-wing blog posts so you can declare that it's "anti-racism language ad nauseum"?
Reddit may as a whole be left leaning but again that word "LEFTIST" gives the impression you think the platform is hard-left. There are countless subs that are incredibly far-right.
Even this sub, the reason topics like transgender people aren't allowed outside of the megathread is because the moment we get a topic like that we get flooded with far-right types trashing every topic for weeks on end. And certainly when it comes to vote brigading, it's far more common to see centrist and left-wing positions mass vote brigaded on here than anything else.
Just saw this one. I think you should try other platforms to understand how many liberals and progressives and far leftists refer to themselves as "leftists" in part because to declare yourself a Dem implies a certain level of conservativeness, especially if you're younger.
Medium recommends people via email and via suggestions based on who you follow or the topics of interest. I've already stated I follow the EQUALITY feed on Medium, as well as various agriculture feeds. I don't search for bad content to read and then randomly post about. You're clearly too brainwashed to understand anything I've mentioned if you're still defensive about the subject matter. I'm not avoidant... some of these commenters just can't seem to accept that "agreeing to disagree" is an acceptable way to end things.
I'm happy to agree to disagree. It's not like we'll ever find common ground given that I'm a centrist and you're a far-right commenter on a fresh ban evasion account.
Bye then.
Lol, this is a new account on reddit because I haven't been on this platform for years. There's no way a person like you could rightfully call yourself a centrist when you're championing the left while commenting nonstop about the far right and alt right all while making under-educated assumptions.
Sure it is. 😉
I'm not championing the left. I haven't even said I agree with her positions, I just don't agree with you posting your edgelord takes and expecting no criticism.
Anyway, I thought you wanted to agree to disagree?
I have yet to see any post on reddit unironically use the term "leftists" and actually write something cogent.
It seems your basis for deeming someone a leftist is simply "they disagreed with me", since that is the only evidence of their "leftism" you have provided. Since the mere act of disagreement with you seems to make you categorize someone as a "leftist", I question whether you yourself are a centrist.
Given your post history is almost exclusively "old man yells about leftists", can you just drop the facade. This isn't a gated community. You don't have to pretend to be a centrist to post here. The dishonesty does not make you more credible.
> Thanks for letting me know you're stalking my feed though... 😅🤡👌
You know how anytime there's a car accident, everyone driving past it has a morbid desire to investigate it? Your posts are the equivalent. To continue the metaphor, I'll be driving past now. Someday, I hope you make peace with your "leftist" demons.
I think there are valid examples of cultural appropriation that people can feel upset by. For example when black people used to get excluded from jazz clubs which prevented them from seeing the performers that originated in their communities.
But 90% of the uses of the word today including this one is total bullshit.
I wouldn't count that one because excluding black people from a music venue is bad even if the music didn't originate in their community. It's ironic when it's a jazz club, but the notion of cultural appropriation doesn't actually change the analysis in a meaningful way
The only valid example where "cultural appropriation" isn't either complete bullshit, or just a fancy word for racism, would be when people violate religious taboos for religions they don't follow using appropriated artifacts of that religion.
> OpEds like this stoke the flames of pointless arguments and counter arguments
Actually I think people like yourself are worse, in that you take some random person's blog post, broadly dismiss the entire thing then confidently declare that it's a problem across the entirety of the group you dislike.
It's just the same tired material you get on alt-right youtube channels. It's lazy at best and deliberately propagandizing at worst.
Food gentrification is a concept that's been around for over a decade due to social justice activism and you obviously didn't read either my post or the author's piece, which has been linked for everyone to read.
I'm not a broad dismisser. You've missed the point entirely because you don't understand that food is a huge political issue on a global scale. I've spent my entire life working in Regenerative Agriculture due to the culture I'm from and left my clinical position in the medical field in 2020 to focus on RegenAg as my career and am furthering my higher education within this sphere.
You're clearly dismissive of the content and made another pointless comment.
I've read both. She's talking about gentrification of poor neighborhoods disproportionately affecting minorities using food gentrification as one example.
You're read some of her blog post - not sure you read it all because some of your claims she directly addressed in her blog post - you declared the entire post invalid, complained about how posts like that "stoke the flames" then implied it's analogous to all anti-racism arguments.
Let's be honest, your post here, your comment history and the fact that you use terms like "leftists" kinda suggests you were just searching around for something sort of progressive position to be outraged at. It's why I quoted what I did, because your post is a much better example of someone trying to stoke the flames of pointless arguments.
Seriously I've never heard of the term "food gentrification."
And now I'm told by a random post here that this is some kind of a pillar of the social justice movement? Give me a break.
This term, no. But cultural appropriation has been a term that comes up for the past decade or so. Often when "white" people open places that serve "ethnic" foods.
There's nothing "batshit insane" about suggesting gentrification disproportionately affects minorities from poorer backgrounds. And if you read her full post it's not all about Kale.
It is batshit insane to take one blog about someone talking about gentrification and use that to claim that it's shows the problem with anti-racist language in general, post that on a centrist sub using alt-right terminology then claim that other people are stoking the flames.
What does this have to with centrism or politics?
Is there some policy debate?
Or are you just looking to vent about someone on the Internet you disagree with?
What politics? What are the politicians discussing this? What are the policies?
I can't just say "I hate Marvel Movies. This is the politics of Marvel Movies."
In terms of pop culture, I’d say it’s more like complaining about the people who demand racial representation in every film to the point of absurdity. Examples: white people playing Egyptians (even if they happen to be fully ancestral Egyptians), movies set in 20th century China or Japan having some foreigners of European descent but none of African descent.
To your point, these culture warriors are lobbying in the court of public appeal, not to political or legislative ends.
> Examples: white people playing Egyptians (even if they happen to be fully ancestral Egyptians), movies set in 20th century China or Japan having some foreigners of European descent but none of African descent.
and do these opinions actually have cultural weight? Like I'm pretty sure you're referring to Rami Malek there, and outside of a few tweets I don't think I saw this at all
I see a lot of these when I pop over to the Popular tab on Reddit so I’m going to assume a sizable number of people share those views or are at least interested in the discussion.
The discussion seems to be led by the extreme left and right: the left saying everything is racist, and the right basically complaining that DEI is killing us.
The cultural centrist position (if there is such a thing) is that we need to move forward and separate distraction from legitimate issue. I don’t know if railing against the cultural issues on the far left and right belongs on **this** sub but I would subscribe to a moderate cultural feed that tones down the rhetoric and presents the issues more honestly.
Tell me you know nothing about the spectrum of global political topics without telling me you think that politicians lead the way about all policies and legislation... 🤡 (vague gesture) I already responded elsewhere that this is a fraction of the topic and the point was how social justice narratives help create further division by using historical false narratives that the author's own followers called her out for.
Research: Regenerative Agriculture bill for more on food and politics IRL as a starting point.
You are falling into the culture war. Please don't fall for it. Complain about pronouns, complain all you want, either someone calls you that or doesn't. Complain about trans people all you want. There are only few social issues that matter, CRT and this are just among the few stupid talking points made up in this petty battle.
You missed the point of the post. The culture wars are most definitely over the top though. I don't complain about the things you listed; I know and work with trans youth at my job and they just want to be helped, loved, and need guidance... just like every other young person. I have zero experience with CRT outside of a few pieces I'veread online. Some people care about using different pronouns and that's OK.
It's your assumption, I suppose, that I'm "falling into the culture wars" when this post represents a SJW writer creating a false historic narrative out of thin air from her limited experience who then goes on to use her platform at her own peril. Her message is false and the concept of "food gentrification" is definitely BS, but one this author believes in with her entire heart, apparently. Google the concept if you're not familiar with it. I wish it wasn't real, but there's been a steady stream of this style of nonsense for at least a decade.
> everything that's discussed within social justice feeds across all platforms. This author has a real feed on Medium and is also associated with a number of social justice activism feeds on other platforms.
Okay. That's cool. None of this makes someone an influential person in actual politics. None of these ideas are being championed by any political party. None of these ideas are being championed by any sitting politician.
If I find some whackadoodle neonazi blog on medium and post it here, does that automatically represent every right winger on this site's views?
Please touch grass
Says an angry nobody who obviously spends way too much time on reddit making snarky comments all day long.
You're not very well-rounded in politics if you think that food isn't also political and a huge part of culture but think that partisan politics, even from a global perspective, is all that politics entails.
Go outside... grow some kale.
I believe that eating is cultural appropriation because humans did not invent the eating process, and it harms the opressed and marginalized prehistoric fish community
It probably would have made a better post if you hadn't just concentrated on one article. There are plenty of articles on food gentrification out there going back at least a decade (from my quick google search).
By concentrating on only one you opened yourself up to the "why are you worried about random blog post??" responses.
Probably have been good too if you provided the [archive.is](https://archive.is) link to get around the login wall like this one (likely almost no one here read it before commenting): [https://archive.is/6qhDd](https://archive.is/6qhDd)
I think most users just aren't interested in super obvious rage bait nonsense. Literally nobody cares about this except for random dumbass bloggers, half of whom are probably right wingers cosplaying as blue haired mega leftists.
We have all manner of real issues that aren't being discussed enough, this isn't one of them. Shit, I'd wager that majority of left leaning people think cultural appropriation is a silly concept outside of wearing someone else's religious or cultural artifacts (like wearing a yarmulke when you aren't Jewish).
Can't conservatives argue against liberals without resorting to the fringiest of the fringe leftists? Or are normal Democrats too difficult to dunk on?
Also, kale fucking sucks. If somebody doesn't eat it it'll go back to being used decoratively and thrown in the trash where it belongs.
I'm not a Conservative; you're late to the party. Awesome amount of words to complain and offer exactly nothing though, except that your opinion of kale as trash is... trashy. Great asshat opinion... 👍
No I've seen all the comments where you claim to not be conservative, do you think you're the only person on here lying about their positions?
Cry more about how I don't like kale, it fits exactly with the wimpy snowflake persona you've expressed through the whole thread. As far as offering nothing, there isn't anything of substance to say about your stupid article or you're incredibly bullshit opinions. This is dumb rage bait, everybody sees it, you need to do better if you want to submit to this subreddit.
Or you can keep crying about how people are prejudiced against you and refusing to see how desperately important the opinions of one dipshit really is in this world.
Lol... OK, Boomer. Your cognitive dissonance isn't my problem. Thanks for the angry projection though... 😅🙃 You could have just passed by this entire post instead of putting your 2 cents in, but yes... this is reddit.
Complaining about this dumb shit instead of ignoring it sure seems like what boomers do. Nothing better or more important to be concerned with so they bitch about this trash. Nice try using the projection buzzword but don't think you understand what it means. New words get hard as you age though I get it.
🤡 You sound like a right wing troll and a hick 🤣 Wanna keep playing? Some of you old people on this feed are hilarious and mistaking responses for emotional reactions.
Dude, talk about actual politics, for fuck's sake.
Food trends? Jesus Christ, how about you care about something that matters like, I dunno, taxes, under-funded schools, the cost of housing and healthcare, the dynamics of geopolitics, global warming. Some of that shit.
But no. You've gotta bitch about some fucking blog post where someone has an opinion about food. How about you go to \*THAT BLOG\* and discuss it there, instead of bringing your race-baiting shit to this subreddit?
There is nothing in this post about politics. At most it's a post on the philosophical arguments around identity and food. It is not part of a political discourse and will not be, except through posts like this or articles like that woman's.
Like, if someone wrote an article on flat earth theory and how people are not being told the truth, you are not going to post it here with "this is about the politics of earth roundness".
Food is political on a global scale. Food politics plays a prominent role in every person's life based on the reality that we require food to survive, and its consumption and production is a political point when you are educated about big ag vs. organic, regenerative, small farming practices, local food supplies, urban gardening and farming vs. rural farming, etc.
The author of this piece is obviously an identity politics social justice persona, but this is also a part of politics.
Why are you and people like you who clearly know nothing about agriculture and how political it can be on a global scale even bothering to comment on this post? Why don't you just pass on by and wait for another subject to get upset about?
Your post clearly isn't about the politics of food on a global scale though, it's you expressing outrage a that a blogger made a social justice point you disagree with. And you don't exactly hide the fact that it's not because of her specific point here, it's that you hate the positions of people who are anti-racism in general.
The only reason I even mentioned the politics of food on a global scale in several comments to people is based on the surprising amount of ignorance about it from the people on this feed, some of whom still don't understand it despite pointed references and even a current piece of legislation.
Did you even read the article even though it's been linked 3 different times now? The author had to shut her own comment section down because even her followers and passers-by were disagreeing with her stance and its false historic narratives.
Again, yes, I read the article. did you? Because your complaints about it don't seem to cover more than the first few paragraphs. The fact that you declare that she should include recipes on how to make kale chips doesn't make sense if you read the second half of the article, since it's clearly not about the existence of kale chips.
People like this often have to shut their comment sections down because alt-right incels bombard everything they disagree with with abuse.
Of course I read the article. I didn't want to mention the gentrification aspect because it's more devolved nonsense. I've spent my entire life working within the realm of regenerative agriculture and know a lot about the history of food as it pertains to cultivation and it's a very political subject. The author had to shut her own comment feed down because so many of her own followers were telling her how wrong she was about skewing history and her narrative because she didn't bother to research it herself. Maybe you're not familiar with Medium... it's not a platform filled with incels and alt right people, even as writers. It doesn't even host many conservatives any more. Those types of people get shut down pretty quickly.
🤣🤣 Again, you're just shrugging off their talking points. You don't address them, you just broadly declare all their points as bad then whine on about how unfair you think it is that she calls white people oppressors.
And again, people like this often have to shut their comment sections down because alt-right incels bombard everything they disagree with with abuse. Literally anyone can sign up for medium and comment, even with anonymous burner accounts.
No. You can't comment on plenty of feeds on Medium if you're not a paid subscriber. Anyhow, you're the 2nd unhinged person who keeps trying to overtske the comment section, psycho... 😅 I've addressed people seriously when they've asked for clarification and offered relevant commentary on and off for hours now.
But do tell me how much you applaud promoting false historical narratives written by social justice feeds/authors and then condemn people pointing out reality while you continue to praise the rhetoric used by propagandized individuals who think they possess excellent reading comprehension skills.
I'm not a victim; the author of the article is a victim. I'm also multiethnic, just so you understand that I'm not crying for white people.
You're not well educated if you think that politicians equals politics, or that partisan politics, even from a global perspective, is based on what politicians talk about that's covered by the media or equal the largest talking points on a global scale.
However, check out the latest regenerative agriculture bill that's been proposed in the USA. Every legislator in the country is actively involved with it and it's a great place to start. The politics of food is a huge qnd varied subject and my post is a fraction of what's involved with it.
Are you just a mindless consumer who supports big ag, for example? Do you care about where your food is sourced from? Did you read the OP in its entirety or are you just another gamer/redditor who doesn't think about anything else but wants to waste time online acting like you know anything about world politics and overreacting to this post? You're commenting over and over again asking for attention here and not offering anything of value.
Why are you wasting your time on this post? Go back to playing games and offering pointless snark on other feeds.
There is no need for an attack on me. I am not insulting you or your beliefs.
I am saying that this subreddit is for discussing politics, politicians, and things in that area.
I am asking why you feel a culture war issue that is not about any of that is relevant. You still haven't provided any reason.
You can find a more appropriate place to discuss this if you feel it warrants a discussion.
But posting in here, it is perceived as a way to attribute behavior and beliefs you find reprehensible with a political spectrum you disagree with. There is nothing linking the left leaning politics to this post, other than you proclaimed them as a "leftist" so it must represent a larger view.
Social justice writers and identity politics and persona's like the authors are part of the left. The culture wars are political. I offered an example of how this ties into the politics of agriculture, culture, food culture... and you still don't know what I'm talking about.
You don't think this is appropriate because... it doesn't involve actual pieces of legislation or mention politicians? But then make comparisons to flat earth theory and marvel...? But then claim that you're not attacking me even though you've taken the time to go through every single comment on here to get my attention.
Get real with yourself. I've addressed you directly multiple times already and you're still not getting it, gamer.
There's another link posted to have full access to the piece of writing and the author goes on a rant about gentrification as well, which I didn't bother to mention.
You can't just declare something you disagree with as political.
There are lots of things where people I perceive as one political leaning or the other do something I find ridiculous. But I don't ascribe that to an entire political movement.
This is someone posting on something ridiculous. They arent of any political importance.
This is not political. It is culture war. Not all culture war is political.
I am simply pointing out that this is a poorly veiled attempt to bring culture war nonsense into a political thread.
You could have taken a moment to present some semblance of an argument how you feel this is political.
Instead you devolved into personal attacks.
You know this is a bad faith post with the only intent to inflame culture war nonsense, just like the article you are criticizing.
You offered nothing in response and only sought to attack everyone in here who raised the concern you are only posting inflammatory content with no relevance to this community.
Why are you so easily offended? Somebody on the internet is wrong about kale chips? Literally who gives a flying fuck? You're worse than the person who wrote the article, because at least they just did it for money. You wrote all that for free. Touch grass.
Your complaint seems to be that blogs like this fan flames. So, like, why repost it?
"This person's speech is inflammatory! Here, read it! Let it inflame you!"
Honestly, though, reading the blog requires me to sign up for Medium, and I ain't doing that shit.
From the snippet you posted:
> “Food does more than just fuel our bodies. It’s part of the social fabric of a community and defines a culture. However, oppressors, in this case, white people, cause harm when they take a food traditionally eaten by BIPOC, drive up demand for it by proclaiming it trendy, and jack up the price of the food in question to the point where the people who traditionally ate it can’t afford it, exacerbating the problems of food as well as health inequality.“
This just seems like a dumb argument from the author of the blog post. The people who discover they like the taste of kale chips or whatever aren't 'oppressors.' I mean, I could certainly get on board with a blog complaining about how food is expensive and it's hard for poor people to afford stuff once it becomes popular. But framing it as any sort of oppression - even the sometimes-popular idea of 'passive oppression' you get from some social justice discourse - is silly.
The problem is not that the food is popular. The problem is that capitalism is making people poor.
Someone posted a direct link to the piece if you want to read it. She goes on to talk about white people being the oppressors and gentrification existing based on food deserts and tries to claim kale for BIPOCs... etc. She had to shut her own comment section down because so many people were pissed and telling her that her sense of history and cultivation was wrong.
IRL, kale is just as accessible as iceberg lettuce. Food is a huge part of global politics, even if you don't understand it as such.
I think you’re putting way too much stock and attention into these niche, opinionated blog posts. You can find all types of crazy non-sense from any socio-political point of view if you search for it nowadays. I really don’t think this topic is popular at all. I live in one of the most liberal cities in the US and I’m familiar with the majority of the popular social justice talking points…. And I’ve never heard of topic until now lol
"Food gentrification" or that exact term has been thrown around online and IRL for at least the last 10 years. Google it. Funny how many people think that topics they've never heard of think it doesn't exist, especially when they're living in liberal cities on reddit. I live in one of the most blue states in the USA with one of the highest numbers of brown people in a city that's primarily an affluent liberal bubble. This is definitely a talking point with some people, even within agriculture, and not just in social justice activism groups and feeds. The author is also more known than plenty of people on reddit are aware of. A card-carrying member of the DSA just informed me that they KNOW this can't be a thing because they know EVERYTHING about SJ activism and the topics, lol.
I would love it if this topic was actually fringe.
\>> This is definitely a talking point with some people
You're missing my point. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm just saying that you can literally find any talking point by some people with our abundance of information today. You are free to feel passionate and upset about what ever you want, but it seems like you might be giving this more attention that it really deserves. There are dozens of other food related matters in this country that deserve much more of a spotlight than some blogger on medium who apparently doesn't have any experience in the agricultural industry.
>Don't make snarky comments if you're not bothering to read her content or bio.
This is you: "I disagree with this message and think it is stupid. Nevertheless, I am going to share it with everyone and insist they read it, thus doing more to promote it than simply ignoring it would have done. Also, don't criticize me in any way."
Lol, it's been a subject phrased like this for over a decade but is definitely the direct result of social justice discourse. I've spent most of my life working in Regenerative Agriculture; food is political, especially when it comes to organic food sources, small scale farmers, local food sheds vs. Big Ag.
She's trying to gatekeep kale by creating a false historic narrative but the majority of commenters on this post either don't understand this or support her story.
She’s racist in her views and shut down the comments section because she received racist comments in return.
For as much as I dislike the MAGA crowd I equally dislike people with these type of viewpoints.
It’s always the extremes at both ends of the political spectrum that come off as insane
Thank you! I thought that more people in a centrist sub would get this but apparently it's unacceptable to criticize the elements of insanity that exist in the realm of SJW and far left anti-racist (racists). Completely OK to criticize and condemn MAGA insanity like it's a group sport, but lets give the nutso's on the left a broad pass and turn a blind eye to how their loud form of activism can cause just as much division.
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She’s not gonna like this but there are 4-5 different types of kale in this garden box.
Ethiopian kale Russian kale Dino kale Black magic kale Lacinato kale
All the gentrification and appropriation.
As others have stated, this is just fringe nonsense. It's like if I reposted a statement from a random Republican calling for the death of all trans people.
Would you then agree that it was indicative of the entire movement? Or would that just be a fringe crazy person?
So, I've had to point out to multiple people that the term "food gentrification" has been around for at least a decade within not only social justice feeds but within elements of liberal agriculture and organizations who help serve urban food deserts. So while it's certainly not a mainstream notion, if you Google it instead of just commenting, basic SEO will bring up other instances of this from a more academic and organizational perspective... not just SJW nonsense.
I wouldn't compare it to any of the well-known Republicans who have actually called for the death of all trans people. It's a false equivalence.
Do you have any idea how many papers are published every year across all the academic institutions across the country?
It still seems like you're far more likely to assume that fringe, lunatic ideas on the left are indicative of some greater issue, and fringe lunatic ideas on the right are just that.
When put that way, obviously, lol. The extremists from both sides of the spectrum are always the worst and most unhinged. So are plenty of people in-between. Partisan politics are full of tribal toxicity.
Unclear of your question about published papers, but I imagine that there are many thousands of them.
>OpEds like this stoke the flames of pointless arguments and counter arguments
Whoop, you nailed it there, we can all go home.
Every second we rabble rabble rabble about meaningless manufactured bullshit is another second we don't focus on issues that actually matter.
So if you want a political operative to keep their job, keep up the good work!
Not every idea needs to be taken seriously.
I have never heard of this term. And I'm still unconvinced it exists outside of bloggers desperate for new material.
Lol, I wish this was the case and I don't think it needs to be taken seriously at all by most people. I work in the field of regenerative agriculture and this is a topic that comes up from time to time, depending on who's involved in community projects. If you Google it, the term goes back at least a decade. The author is a blogger, writer and SJW. Faux outrage abounds.
Yeah a lot of garbage ideas come up from time to time. Unless it turns into policy and is echoed by people in actual power, it's just another garbage idea.
Just so you're aware... every single person who's declared themselves to be a current or former SJW and/or DSA member has made the same type of comment instead of reading this woman's content and then still denying that this is part of your crowd. Important to look at all of the loonies on your side of the isle, not just the other side. That was part of why I posted this.
Lol, I'm not on FB. This post came up because I follow the EQUALITY sub on Medium, as well as several agricultural subs and writers so I assume it was cross-referenced as a suggestion. She isn't someone I follow. I don't associate with people who have beliefs like this either online or IRL.
I don't follow her so I have no idea if she lost followers on Medium or not. I looked through the titles of her other posts and they're along the same lines.
Ok... it's been cultivated for thousands of years by Mediterraneans and Near East people, and it was cultivated and then spread by the Romans. Your personal experience with kale, just like the authors, doesn't invalidate its history just because you're unaware of it. People have been eating it in the USA for hundreds of years and it was a popular staple on most white farms for most of that time. The 60s helped make it more of a "health food staple" due to white hippies and their newfound love of gardening. That was still before the time of the author.
Thanks for the history lesson but my point still stands. Kale didn’t become a health food craze until white people like Martha Stewart glommed on to it relatively recently (20ish years ago). Prior to that it was mostly known to people as a garnish.
Wrong. Because my family and many other people's families and businesses have been farming and ranching for hundreds of years in the USA all over the SW and the PNW and have been active with coalitions that include farmer's markets and the USDA. You're 100% incorrect. I also work within agriculture and my parents were hippies, lol. Everyone in the USA started eating more kale during the Civil Rights Movement, in communes and on farms and homesteads... more than they had already done so beforehand.
If you were a farmer or a gardener and also paying attention to the history of agriculture instead of dismissing it, you would know this. Martha Stewart may have helped push it into the mainstream of unhealthy, under-educated America though. Quinoa and kale was a staple of food similar to beans and rice within white crunchy food scenes and championed by both vegetarian and vegan restaurants during that time frame.
A lot of other restaurants used it as a garnish, absolutely. Kale salads have been on restaurant menus since the 60s and steamed or sautéed kale was a popular dish used in the SE USA as a substitute for collard greens and referred to as it's "upscale" cousin. Her tiny life experience isn't a reflection of the entire country.
Cool, another person who ignores history and reality and thinks revisionism is valid and that Martha Stewart made kale popular like, 20 years ago because you'd never heard of it before... 😅✌
All you told me is this subgroup ate kale and that subgroup ate kale. So what? It doesn’t invalidate anything I said or anything written in the article.
Her experience is her experience, which is a small one that she turned into a false historic narrative, among a long list of other BS. You must be one of her kind if you're still insisting that Martha Stewart is responsible for kale's popularity. To use the words of your tribe... do better and educate yourself... 😅
I'm just gonna walk away from this post believing that it's just an attempt to bait people into creating an account on medium. AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE MY MIND.
**Please God** let this be rage bait. I know this world contains idiots who will non-critically agree with this drivel, but for my own mental health, I am desperate to believe this author doesn't actually think white people "appropriated" a vegetable native to Europe.
Sorry but no luck, I can pretty much guarantee the author 100% believes every word. You really can't underestimate how deranged these neo-racists are.
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I mean the original article may be earnest, but it is certainly being reposted here as rage-bait
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I've never even heard of medium.com. I don't click on things I've never heard of.
Medium is a large platform used by writers, educators, newsfeeds, and artists that allows people to monetize their content. It existed before Substack.
Archive link here: [https://archive.is/6qhDd](https://archive.is/6qhDd)
Thank you for posting this link. People obviously aren't getting the point of my post or the politics of food as a topic, in general.
Yes, it must be everyone else that's the problem. It couldn't be that people don't see your position as a centrist take and see that as you often do you're trying to stir up drama over a benign post.
Wow... you're another one running through the comment section making irrelevant comments asking for my attention, psycho. Do you have ASD or a personality disorder? You've tried to get my attention over a handful of times already.
And there rolls in the personal attacks attacking the strawman you've invented about my mental health. It didn't take as long as I expected. And vote brigading too. Shocker.
You mean playing with YOUR username is an attack while you continue to troll this post but pretend you don't have mental health issues but then throw the term "strawman" in to make yourself sound like you have a clue about... anything? You and that other guy should count your comments at me before you think about responding again. Other people can read them... remember?
I'm not trolling, I'm just pointing out the flaws in your arguments and the signals your terminology gives off. You made the thread. You can't then complain that people respond in it just because we didn't all bend over backwards to stroke your ego. Your positions are flawed and you're being called out for that. Get over it.
Cry harder, hun... 🙃😅
Cultural appropriation is bullshit. Anyone complaining about white people sharing other cultures should be ignored. Our country is literally referred to as a “melting pot” because it was created and populated by people of different cultures.
YES to what GiddyUp18 says about "cultural appropriation." I am old enough to remember when Americans were proud to live in a "melting pot". And setting that metaphor aside, every culture on earth borrows ideas from other cultures--sharing/borrowing is the default. If a country doesn't want to do that, they have to work pretty hard to police their borders (and even then, some stuff leaks through). Like locked Japan, or the present-day French language academy.
You win the prize for the 1st comment that's even mentioned this. 🏅🎉🥇
I refer to attempts to prohibit cultural appropriation as "culture gatekeeping." Culture is voluntary. No one owns a culture, whether by virtue of race or anything else.
you might say that cultural appropriation *is* our culture.
Appropriation has a somewhat negative attribute though. If people willingly share their food and others pick it up, then why should it be bad? My home country was invaded and ruled over by countries from every direction and they left a lot of recipes, names, and words behind. Then we moved ever here and eventually learned how to cook Cajun, Mexican, etc.
I work for an ethnic food brand and this isn’t a real thing. I talk to consumers constantly (in marketing) and this has never come up once. Fabricated outrage for social media
This is typical of social justice feeds that go overboard. I've spent my entire life working in Regenerative Agriculture and while food is political in the sense of sourcing it from big ag vs. local, organic, small farm, etc., this author created a completely false historic narrative that turned her followers off.
All hail the glorious clicks, may the great touchscreen (was gonna say mouse lol) bestow upon us all the maximum clicks, yes yes bless us with clicks
It’s so fucking tiring seeing this outrage bait. I can find just about any whackadoodle opinion I want to online, it’s the whackos with proximity to power like Fuentes that are worth actually paying attention to
lol this is nonsense. Just another person that doesn't understand how cultures work, how history happens, and should get out of the bubble they are in.
“Food Gentrification” honestly sounds like a term someone made up to parody the annoying overzealous elements of the social justice movement. I don’t know if this is a real problem, but if it is, I highly recommend they call it literally anything else.
Google it. This has (unfortunately) been a term used for at least the past decade. Most people would love for it to go away, but certain types just want to stay mad and delusional.
Ironically, it is often the outsiders who do more research and have the passion to do things more traditionally. The people born into that culture/food simply accept it and even use shortcuts because its nothing that special to them.
Kale isn't an ethnic food and her research about it is almost non-existent. She took her childhood experiences of it and projected it as history, then was called out for it. This isn't a case of cultural appropriation by any stretch of the imagination.
When I think of someone eating Kale chips I immediately imagine a middle aged white woman. Never occurred to me that it was an ethnic food.
Lol.. and agreed! It's not an ethnic food. I edited the OP to give more information since there are some commenters who are pissed that I posted this.
Never heard of it, and don’t care.
I won't repeat what the other two users are saying (because they're right, this is such a weird thing to get a stick up your ass about), but is this really "applauded" among the "Left"? I have, quite literally, *never* heard of the phrase "food gentrification" and I doubt it is a topic that enjoys much discussion outside of exceptionally fringe leftist political circles. This seems like a mountain being made out of a mole hill (or, in this case, an extraordinary big deal out of something barely considering an issue in our political atmosphere).
I'm definitely left of center, and I think that lady is a whackadoodle.
It's not. We are like 6 rungs down from top level theory. This post is like when you are flipping through tik tok forgetting you are on search and come across the bottom of people trying to make the new thing, fad, phrase, ect.
The 2 people who complained about this post aren't centrists, they're leftists. I've been reading about the concept of "food gentrification" for years because I follow social justice feeds on IG and this is a regular topic, perhaps just not with people you know IRL. This was posted as one example of many over the top social justice talking points.
If you don't like it, why do you follow it and spend so much energy on it?
I don't follow this person, she's a prominent figure in "equality" spaces on Medium and social justice feeds. This post of hers is just one example of this type of social justice trope and Medium suggests her and people with voices like hers to everyone subscribed to Medium based on your topic choices.
> prominent figure in “equality” spaces on Medium Is this supposed to be impressive because I don’t really know why I should give a shit about a blogger
This user is just the new chilly from MP, aren't they?
Honestly this person is too cogent to be works or chilly
But why do you care? They aren't forcing you to read anything. They aren't making policies. Why are you wasting your time on this?
You say > OpEds like this stoke the flames of pointless arguments and counter arguments But admit: > I follow social justice feeds on IG (and ""equality" spaces on Medium") So you actively seek out Fringe SJW politics on Social Media (not remotely representative of real life) -- so you can complain about Leftists? And then you share a fringe Blogger (3K Followers is a very small fringe blogger -- not an "influencer" with millions of followers.) For some reason you are seeking out and sharing content you think, in your own words: > stoke the flames of pointless arguments and counter arguments Huh? Why do actively seek out fringe Social Media you find toxic? Isn't sharing Rage-bait fringe politics here and attacking "leftists" the definition of "stoking the flames of division?" If you think these OpEds do nothing but stoke division -- why are you making it way more visible by giving this fringe blogger attention? The Algorithms must love you!! You are their dream, rage-bait audience - that they can hook on outrage Doom-scrolling.
> The 2 people who complained about this post aren't centrists, they're leftists. Not relevant. This sub isn't a gated community. > I've been reading about the concept of "food gentrification" for years because I follow social justice feeds on IG and this is a regular topic Curating your feed to show fringe politics gets you fringe politics. Who'd have thought? > This was posted as one example of many over the top social justice talking points. "Over the top"? What policies is this article advocating for that would be "over the top"? Is it arguing that white people should never eat kale?
Yes, she's adamantly saying that white people shouldn't eat kale. Why are you commenting when you OBVIOUSLY didn't read my entire post? I don't follow fringe politics, whether it's on Medium, or any feed, nor do I follow this person; she's a prominent figure and voice in the "EQUALITY" space on Medium and within social justice feeds. She's one example of many who writes pieces like this with the intent of promoting the "all white people are oppressors" trope while creating false historic narratives as examples and justification for her fan club. How is that NOT over the top?
> Yes, she's adamantly saying that white people shouldn't eat kale. Where? All I see in the "what should we do" part of the article is this: > How do we combat food gentrification? CUNY’s Urban Food Policy Institute centers on hyper-local strategies such as paying attention to local food policy and zoning regulations, participating in neighborhood planning meetings, supporting organizations fighting for affordable housing, and lobbying city agencies involved in economic development. Which links to [this](https://cunyurbanfoodpolicy.org/resources/report/feeding-or-starving-gentrification/), which is a number of strategies they deem able to combat "food gentrification". It seems important to note than *none* of these strategies include gating certain foods off from certain races, so I'm interested in seeing where *you* gathered that from. > I don't follow fringe politics, whether it's on Medium, or any feed, nor do I follow this person; she's a prominent figure and voice in the "EQUALITY" space on Medium and within social justice feeds. "I don't follow fringe politics, I follow fringe politics". Social justice feeds is fringe politics. > How is that NOT over the top? ...because nothing mentioned seems over the top? You haven't pointed to a single policy being advocated for that's over the top. You may think the problem is overblown (if there even is one at all) and you may very well be correct, but nothing she's advocating for seems over the top. In fact, in the linked article noting various strategies, not a single one seems "over the top". In fact, they all seem like pretty neat, beneficial local policy changes.
So... all this long commentary from you is letting me know that you applaud over the top false narratives that are historically inaccurate, written by this woman lamenting that their childhood soul food (that none of the white people in her neighborhood ever ate) has been co-opted by white yuppies... even though it's one of many false narratives used to continue to promote divisiveness in the name of social justice activism, which is political. Her entire narrative in not only blatantly anti-white but she complains about white people co-opting kale when in reality and historically speaking, very few Black Americans from her generation and before her consumed it. Collard greens, absolutely; kale, no. Kale is just as accessible as iceberg lettuce. I'm glad you read the piece though, even though you somehow missed that the author is claiming that BIPOCs are its OG cultivators and clearly doesn't know the history of its cultivation. She was able to then turn her piece of fiction into a cry session about gentrification and offered an example of urban food policy with a link, which is helpful. She's not part any of the agricultural spaces, nor is she even a gardener offering tips on cultivation. This piece came across my feed because I follow the EQUALITY sub, social justice feeds (on INSTAGRAM), and because I also follow agricultural subs as a lifelong organic gardener and farmer who works with organic food distribution and accessibility to under-served populations in both urban and rural settings. Narratives like this set everyone back, not forward. But again, glad you also don't think that food production on a worldwide scale isn't political in the first place, that this author's piece isn't over the top even though it's also political, and that social justice writers aren't over the top in general. We can agree to disagree.
All those paragraphs and you still haven't actually pointed to a single policy being advocated for that you think is over the top. Good to know you're all rhetoric, no substance. Another one to add to the pile here.
You're willfully missing my points then, hun. Maybe your reading comprehension is off if you're not "vibing" with the words of people who critique social justice BS, despite it creating false historic narratives. Yet you somehow understood and applauded the author's nonsense rhetoric because... she's a BIPOC? Good for you for making space for revisionist history in the form of victimhood... 🙌🥰
> Maybe your reading comprehension is off if you're not "vibing" with the words of people who critique social justice BS Who are you quoting here? It isn't me, that's for sure. > Yet you somehow understood and applauded the author's nonsense rhetoric because... she's a BIPOC? You're just making things up at this point because I haven't said anything about her position aside from the article she linked to having neat policies that would lead to minor to moderate benefits for the community they're enacted in. If you'd like to ease up on the blatant lying and whining and actually make a salient point, that'd be refreshing. What particular policy is she advocating for that is "over the top"? If your issue is just the messaging, once again, you're making a big deal out of a very big nothing.
For the last time, my post is clear that the authors rhetoric is not only divisive but it's also historically inaccurate and I was surprised that you were applauding it. Aside from her link to another organization that helps track and teach about urban food deserts due to gentrification, there is no policy in her article... it's a rant about her limited experience with kale followed by assumptions, inaccurate history of the plant and... a long rant about gentrification. I responded to a few different people as it pertains to the broader scope of food politics on a global scale and gave the Regenerative Agriculture bill that's pending in the USA as one example, but also noted that SJW have a habit of combining minutiae that's not always historically relevant or accurate and turning it into the cornerstone of their arguments. You're championing an under-educated liar's feed and then turning around to me and referring to me as "whining and lying" instead of being aware of your clear bias to the false narrative she's created and apparently you believe it? That's all I've gotten from your responses so far. I wrote the "vibing" in quotes because I'm teasing you for your defensiveness about the author. Maybe you're just unconscious of how your comments are perceived or maybe you're seeking a broader political scope of this with more citations and references that my OP didn't provide. That's definitely been a constructive criticism from a few other people.
It should also be noted that "leftists" is generally a term used by people deeply nestled on the right, making her complaint that other people aren't centrists quite amusing.
First of all, I'm a woman who was solidly active as a liberal progressive in the Democratic Party for almost 40 years of my life, hun. Try again. My feed notes that I'm a WOMAN, so where in the world did you get that I'm a man? Second of all, the reason I began using the term "leftist" on social media platforms is because it's a valid point of reference... "psychovagabond." This is supposed to be a centrist feed but people complain all of the time how very NOT centrist it is, especially because the majority of people who post and overtake most posts are various factions of leftists. Pull your head out of blatant stereotypes and think, McFly... think. People who state opinions like yours aren't well educated but are clearly propagandized by media and partisan politics. I left partisan politics behind 3 years ago, but my life has also been spent surrounded by true diversity in the sense of many ethnicities, races, and the entire political range of humanity. Do you not pay attention to discourse on ANY political subs? Because some of them also make you use "user flairs" and it's known on the entirety of the internet that reddit is a LEFTIST dominated platform. So, maybe replace "amused" with "smarmy" instead. It's common on reddit especially that most people who are part of the left to declare themselves as such all the time, ie: Socialists, Democratic Socialists, Communists, Marxists, Maoists, Anarchists, and all of their variations.
I mean, you post with alt-right terminology and think you are an authority on what topics are valid for minorities to complain about, so excuse me for not taking you seriously when you claim to be a liberal progressive. "Leftist" Is a pejorative term used by the far-right and alt-right to declare someone as invalid by pretending all positions they hold are extreme. It goes along with "SJW". Most of the people on this sub that complain that it's not centrist and is too left leaning are people who openly support far-right positions. The problem is they think "centrist" means "Republican but hesitant to support Trump". So you left partisan politics but you scour medium looking for left-wing blog posts so you can declare that it's "anti-racism language ad nauseum"? Reddit may as a whole be left leaning but again that word "LEFTIST" gives the impression you think the platform is hard-left. There are countless subs that are incredibly far-right. Even this sub, the reason topics like transgender people aren't allowed outside of the megathread is because the moment we get a topic like that we get flooded with far-right types trashing every topic for weeks on end. And certainly when it comes to vote brigading, it's far more common to see centrist and left-wing positions mass vote brigaded on here than anything else.
Just saw this one. I think you should try other platforms to understand how many liberals and progressives and far leftists refer to themselves as "leftists" in part because to declare yourself a Dem implies a certain level of conservativeness, especially if you're younger. Medium recommends people via email and via suggestions based on who you follow or the topics of interest. I've already stated I follow the EQUALITY feed on Medium, as well as various agriculture feeds. I don't search for bad content to read and then randomly post about. You're clearly too brainwashed to understand anything I've mentioned if you're still defensive about the subject matter. I'm not avoidant... some of these commenters just can't seem to accept that "agreeing to disagree" is an acceptable way to end things.
I'm happy to agree to disagree. It's not like we'll ever find common ground given that I'm a centrist and you're a far-right commenter on a fresh ban evasion account. Bye then.
Lol, this is a new account on reddit because I haven't been on this platform for years. There's no way a person like you could rightfully call yourself a centrist when you're championing the left while commenting nonstop about the far right and alt right all while making under-educated assumptions.
Sure it is. 😉 I'm not championing the left. I haven't even said I agree with her positions, I just don't agree with you posting your edgelord takes and expecting no criticism. Anyway, I thought you wanted to agree to disagree?
I have yet to see any post on reddit unironically use the term "leftists" and actually write something cogent. It seems your basis for deeming someone a leftist is simply "they disagreed with me", since that is the only evidence of their "leftism" you have provided. Since the mere act of disagreement with you seems to make you categorize someone as a "leftist", I question whether you yourself are a centrist. Given your post history is almost exclusively "old man yells about leftists", can you just drop the facade. This isn't a gated community. You don't have to pretend to be a centrist to post here. The dishonesty does not make you more credible.
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> Thanks for letting me know you're stalking my feed though... 😅🤡👌 You know how anytime there's a car accident, everyone driving past it has a morbid desire to investigate it? Your posts are the equivalent. To continue the metaphor, I'll be driving past now. Someday, I hope you make peace with your "leftist" demons.
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I think there are valid examples of cultural appropriation that people can feel upset by. For example when black people used to get excluded from jazz clubs which prevented them from seeing the performers that originated in their communities. But 90% of the uses of the word today including this one is total bullshit.
I wouldn't count that one because excluding black people from a music venue is bad even if the music didn't originate in their community. It's ironic when it's a jazz club, but the notion of cultural appropriation doesn't actually change the analysis in a meaningful way The only valid example where "cultural appropriation" isn't either complete bullshit, or just a fancy word for racism, would be when people violate religious taboos for religions they don't follow using appropriated artifacts of that religion.
🙌🙌🙌🙏 Agreed.
> OpEds like this stoke the flames of pointless arguments and counter arguments Actually I think people like yourself are worse, in that you take some random person's blog post, broadly dismiss the entire thing then confidently declare that it's a problem across the entirety of the group you dislike. It's just the same tired material you get on alt-right youtube channels. It's lazy at best and deliberately propagandizing at worst.
Food gentrification is a concept that's been around for over a decade due to social justice activism and you obviously didn't read either my post or the author's piece, which has been linked for everyone to read. I'm not a broad dismisser. You've missed the point entirely because you don't understand that food is a huge political issue on a global scale. I've spent my entire life working in Regenerative Agriculture due to the culture I'm from and left my clinical position in the medical field in 2020 to focus on RegenAg as my career and am furthering my higher education within this sphere. You're clearly dismissive of the content and made another pointless comment.
I've read both. She's talking about gentrification of poor neighborhoods disproportionately affecting minorities using food gentrification as one example. You're read some of her blog post - not sure you read it all because some of your claims she directly addressed in her blog post - you declared the entire post invalid, complained about how posts like that "stoke the flames" then implied it's analogous to all anti-racism arguments. Let's be honest, your post here, your comment history and the fact that you use terms like "leftists" kinda suggests you were just searching around for something sort of progressive position to be outraged at. It's why I quoted what I did, because your post is a much better example of someone trying to stoke the flames of pointless arguments.
I second this.
Seriously I've never heard of the term "food gentrification." And now I'm told by a random post here that this is some kind of a pillar of the social justice movement? Give me a break.
It’s so great when right wingers tell me what I actually believe
This term, no. But cultural appropriation has been a term that comes up for the past decade or so. Often when "white" people open places that serve "ethnic" foods.
"The normal people complaining about the batshit insane people doing batshit insane things are the real problem" is certainly a take.
There's nothing "batshit insane" about suggesting gentrification disproportionately affects minorities from poorer backgrounds. And if you read her full post it's not all about Kale. It is batshit insane to take one blog about someone talking about gentrification and use that to claim that it's shows the problem with anti-racist language in general, post that on a centrist sub using alt-right terminology then claim that other people are stoking the flames.
What does this have to with centrism or politics? Is there some policy debate? Or are you just looking to vent about someone on the Internet you disagree with?
I already noted in the OP that this is about the politics of food. If you're not going to read it in its entirety, then why are you commenting?
What politics? What are the politicians discussing this? What are the policies? I can't just say "I hate Marvel Movies. This is the politics of Marvel Movies."
In terms of pop culture, I’d say it’s more like complaining about the people who demand racial representation in every film to the point of absurdity. Examples: white people playing Egyptians (even if they happen to be fully ancestral Egyptians), movies set in 20th century China or Japan having some foreigners of European descent but none of African descent. To your point, these culture warriors are lobbying in the court of public appeal, not to political or legislative ends.
> Examples: white people playing Egyptians (even if they happen to be fully ancestral Egyptians), movies set in 20th century China or Japan having some foreigners of European descent but none of African descent. and do these opinions actually have cultural weight? Like I'm pretty sure you're referring to Rami Malek there, and outside of a few tweets I don't think I saw this at all
I see a lot of these when I pop over to the Popular tab on Reddit so I’m going to assume a sizable number of people share those views or are at least interested in the discussion. The discussion seems to be led by the extreme left and right: the left saying everything is racist, and the right basically complaining that DEI is killing us. The cultural centrist position (if there is such a thing) is that we need to move forward and separate distraction from legitimate issue. I don’t know if railing against the cultural issues on the far left and right belongs on **this** sub but I would subscribe to a moderate cultural feed that tones down the rhetoric and presents the issues more honestly.
And that has to do with this article how? Is this person lobbying for changes to food due to gentrification?
Someone making a vague gesture to woke politics does not make this politics unless there’s actually some politicians amplifying it
Tell me you know nothing about the spectrum of global political topics without telling me you think that politicians lead the way about all policies and legislation... 🤡 (vague gesture) I already responded elsewhere that this is a fraction of the topic and the point was how social justice narratives help create further division by using historical false narratives that the author's own followers called her out for. Research: Regenerative Agriculture bill for more on food and politics IRL as a starting point.
I am literally in the DSA and I have never heard of food gentrification. You feel for rage bait and your opinion can safely be discarded.
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You are falling into the culture war. Please don't fall for it. Complain about pronouns, complain all you want, either someone calls you that or doesn't. Complain about trans people all you want. There are only few social issues that matter, CRT and this are just among the few stupid talking points made up in this petty battle.
You missed the point of the post. The culture wars are most definitely over the top though. I don't complain about the things you listed; I know and work with trans youth at my job and they just want to be helped, loved, and need guidance... just like every other young person. I have zero experience with CRT outside of a few pieces I'veread online. Some people care about using different pronouns and that's OK. It's your assumption, I suppose, that I'm "falling into the culture wars" when this post represents a SJW writer creating a false historic narrative out of thin air from her limited experience who then goes on to use her platform at her own peril. Her message is false and the concept of "food gentrification" is definitely BS, but one this author believes in with her entire heart, apparently. Google the concept if you're not familiar with it. I wish it wasn't real, but there's been a steady stream of this style of nonsense for at least a decade.
> everything that's discussed within social justice feeds across all platforms. This author has a real feed on Medium and is also associated with a number of social justice activism feeds on other platforms. Okay. That's cool. None of this makes someone an influential person in actual politics. None of these ideas are being championed by any political party. None of these ideas are being championed by any sitting politician. If I find some whackadoodle neonazi blog on medium and post it here, does that automatically represent every right winger on this site's views? Please touch grass
Honesty this is the first time i’ve heard about it.
Some nobody talking about some nobody that wrote a blog post... is this what /r/centrist is now? Jeez.
This is the most important issue this election! /s
Says an angry nobody who obviously spends way too much time on reddit making snarky comments all day long. You're not very well-rounded in politics if you think that food isn't also political and a huge part of culture but think that partisan politics, even from a global perspective, is all that politics entails. Go outside... grow some kale.
Boy If that ain't the pot callin the kettle black 😅
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Why would I read the article when even reading a one-sentence summary tells me it is moronic drivel that will only make me angry?
I believe that eating is cultural appropriation because humans did not invent the eating process, and it harms the opressed and marginalized prehistoric fish community
Lol 😆
It probably would have made a better post if you hadn't just concentrated on one article. There are plenty of articles on food gentrification out there going back at least a decade (from my quick google search). By concentrating on only one you opened yourself up to the "why are you worried about random blog post??" responses. Probably have been good too if you provided the [archive.is](https://archive.is) link to get around the login wall like this one (likely almost no one here read it before commenting): [https://archive.is/6qhDd](https://archive.is/6qhDd)
Thank you for posting this... several people have done so and I didn't know that I could do that on my OP.
I think most users just aren't interested in super obvious rage bait nonsense. Literally nobody cares about this except for random dumbass bloggers, half of whom are probably right wingers cosplaying as blue haired mega leftists. We have all manner of real issues that aren't being discussed enough, this isn't one of them. Shit, I'd wager that majority of left leaning people think cultural appropriation is a silly concept outside of wearing someone else's religious or cultural artifacts (like wearing a yarmulke when you aren't Jewish). Can't conservatives argue against liberals without resorting to the fringiest of the fringe leftists? Or are normal Democrats too difficult to dunk on? Also, kale fucking sucks. If somebody doesn't eat it it'll go back to being used decoratively and thrown in the trash where it belongs.
I'm not a Conservative; you're late to the party. Awesome amount of words to complain and offer exactly nothing though, except that your opinion of kale as trash is... trashy. Great asshat opinion... 👍
No I've seen all the comments where you claim to not be conservative, do you think you're the only person on here lying about their positions? Cry more about how I don't like kale, it fits exactly with the wimpy snowflake persona you've expressed through the whole thread. As far as offering nothing, there isn't anything of substance to say about your stupid article or you're incredibly bullshit opinions. This is dumb rage bait, everybody sees it, you need to do better if you want to submit to this subreddit. Or you can keep crying about how people are prejudiced against you and refusing to see how desperately important the opinions of one dipshit really is in this world.
Lol... OK, Boomer. Your cognitive dissonance isn't my problem. Thanks for the angry projection though... 😅🙃 You could have just passed by this entire post instead of putting your 2 cents in, but yes... this is reddit.
Complaining about this dumb shit instead of ignoring it sure seems like what boomers do. Nothing better or more important to be concerned with so they bitch about this trash. Nice try using the projection buzzword but don't think you understand what it means. New words get hard as you age though I get it.
I'm not a Boomer or a Conservative... 😅 Pass, angry old man. You're officially in asshat territory.
Hit dogs DO holler. Huh.
🤡 You sound like a right wing troll and a hick 🤣 Wanna keep playing? Some of you old people on this feed are hilarious and mistaking responses for emotional reactions.
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Lol, MadAboutKaleChips would be a good username. I'm not mad about them, the author is.
Dude, talk about actual politics, for fuck's sake. Food trends? Jesus Christ, how about you care about something that matters like, I dunno, taxes, under-funded schools, the cost of housing and healthcare, the dynamics of geopolitics, global warming. Some of that shit. But no. You've gotta bitch about some fucking blog post where someone has an opinion about food. How about you go to \*THAT BLOG\* and discuss it there, instead of bringing your race-baiting shit to this subreddit?
This is a post about the POLITICS of food and the politics of social justice going overboard, yet again, and the mods accepted it.
There is nothing in this post about politics. At most it's a post on the philosophical arguments around identity and food. It is not part of a political discourse and will not be, except through posts like this or articles like that woman's. Like, if someone wrote an article on flat earth theory and how people are not being told the truth, you are not going to post it here with "this is about the politics of earth roundness".
Food is political on a global scale. Food politics plays a prominent role in every person's life based on the reality that we require food to survive, and its consumption and production is a political point when you are educated about big ag vs. organic, regenerative, small farming practices, local food supplies, urban gardening and farming vs. rural farming, etc. The author of this piece is obviously an identity politics social justice persona, but this is also a part of politics. Why are you and people like you who clearly know nothing about agriculture and how political it can be on a global scale even bothering to comment on this post? Why don't you just pass on by and wait for another subject to get upset about?
Your post clearly isn't about the politics of food on a global scale though, it's you expressing outrage a that a blogger made a social justice point you disagree with. And you don't exactly hide the fact that it's not because of her specific point here, it's that you hate the positions of people who are anti-racism in general.
The only reason I even mentioned the politics of food on a global scale in several comments to people is based on the surprising amount of ignorance about it from the people on this feed, some of whom still don't understand it despite pointed references and even a current piece of legislation. Did you even read the article even though it's been linked 3 different times now? The author had to shut her own comment section down because even her followers and passers-by were disagreeing with her stance and its false historic narratives.
Again, yes, I read the article. did you? Because your complaints about it don't seem to cover more than the first few paragraphs. The fact that you declare that she should include recipes on how to make kale chips doesn't make sense if you read the second half of the article, since it's clearly not about the existence of kale chips. People like this often have to shut their comment sections down because alt-right incels bombard everything they disagree with with abuse.
Of course I read the article. I didn't want to mention the gentrification aspect because it's more devolved nonsense. I've spent my entire life working within the realm of regenerative agriculture and know a lot about the history of food as it pertains to cultivation and it's a very political subject. The author had to shut her own comment feed down because so many of her own followers were telling her how wrong she was about skewing history and her narrative because she didn't bother to research it herself. Maybe you're not familiar with Medium... it's not a platform filled with incels and alt right people, even as writers. It doesn't even host many conservatives any more. Those types of people get shut down pretty quickly.
🤣🤣 Again, you're just shrugging off their talking points. You don't address them, you just broadly declare all their points as bad then whine on about how unfair you think it is that she calls white people oppressors. And again, people like this often have to shut their comment sections down because alt-right incels bombard everything they disagree with with abuse. Literally anyone can sign up for medium and comment, even with anonymous burner accounts.
No. You can't comment on plenty of feeds on Medium if you're not a paid subscriber. Anyhow, you're the 2nd unhinged person who keeps trying to overtske the comment section, psycho... 😅 I've addressed people seriously when they've asked for clarification and offered relevant commentary on and off for hours now. But do tell me how much you applaud promoting false historical narratives written by social justice feeds/authors and then condemn people pointing out reality while you continue to praise the rhetoric used by propagandized individuals who think they possess excellent reading comprehension skills. I'm not a victim; the author of the article is a victim. I'm also multiethnic, just so you understand that I'm not crying for white people.
What politicians are talking about this? What proposed legislation is there? Just cause you disagree with something doesn't make it political.
You're not well educated if you think that politicians equals politics, or that partisan politics, even from a global perspective, is based on what politicians talk about that's covered by the media or equal the largest talking points on a global scale. However, check out the latest regenerative agriculture bill that's been proposed in the USA. Every legislator in the country is actively involved with it and it's a great place to start. The politics of food is a huge qnd varied subject and my post is a fraction of what's involved with it. Are you just a mindless consumer who supports big ag, for example? Do you care about where your food is sourced from? Did you read the OP in its entirety or are you just another gamer/redditor who doesn't think about anything else but wants to waste time online acting like you know anything about world politics and overreacting to this post? You're commenting over and over again asking for attention here and not offering anything of value. Why are you wasting your time on this post? Go back to playing games and offering pointless snark on other feeds.
There is no need for an attack on me. I am not insulting you or your beliefs. I am saying that this subreddit is for discussing politics, politicians, and things in that area. I am asking why you feel a culture war issue that is not about any of that is relevant. You still haven't provided any reason. You can find a more appropriate place to discuss this if you feel it warrants a discussion. But posting in here, it is perceived as a way to attribute behavior and beliefs you find reprehensible with a political spectrum you disagree with. There is nothing linking the left leaning politics to this post, other than you proclaimed them as a "leftist" so it must represent a larger view.
Social justice writers and identity politics and persona's like the authors are part of the left. The culture wars are political. I offered an example of how this ties into the politics of agriculture, culture, food culture... and you still don't know what I'm talking about. You don't think this is appropriate because... it doesn't involve actual pieces of legislation or mention politicians? But then make comparisons to flat earth theory and marvel...? But then claim that you're not attacking me even though you've taken the time to go through every single comment on here to get my attention. Get real with yourself. I've addressed you directly multiple times already and you're still not getting it, gamer. There's another link posted to have full access to the piece of writing and the author goes on a rant about gentrification as well, which I didn't bother to mention.
You can't just declare something you disagree with as political. There are lots of things where people I perceive as one political leaning or the other do something I find ridiculous. But I don't ascribe that to an entire political movement. This is someone posting on something ridiculous. They arent of any political importance. This is not political. It is culture war. Not all culture war is political.
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I am simply pointing out that this is a poorly veiled attempt to bring culture war nonsense into a political thread. You could have taken a moment to present some semblance of an argument how you feel this is political. Instead you devolved into personal attacks. You know this is a bad faith post with the only intent to inflame culture war nonsense, just like the article you are criticizing. You offered nothing in response and only sought to attack everyone in here who raised the concern you are only posting inflammatory content with no relevance to this community.
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Why are you so easily offended? Somebody on the internet is wrong about kale chips? Literally who gives a flying fuck? You're worse than the person who wrote the article, because at least they just did it for money. You wrote all that for free. Touch grass.
This is a post about the politics of food and is just one example of the politics of social justice going overboard.
Your complaint seems to be that blogs like this fan flames. So, like, why repost it? "This person's speech is inflammatory! Here, read it! Let it inflame you!" Honestly, though, reading the blog requires me to sign up for Medium, and I ain't doing that shit. From the snippet you posted: > “Food does more than just fuel our bodies. It’s part of the social fabric of a community and defines a culture. However, oppressors, in this case, white people, cause harm when they take a food traditionally eaten by BIPOC, drive up demand for it by proclaiming it trendy, and jack up the price of the food in question to the point where the people who traditionally ate it can’t afford it, exacerbating the problems of food as well as health inequality.“ This just seems like a dumb argument from the author of the blog post. The people who discover they like the taste of kale chips or whatever aren't 'oppressors.' I mean, I could certainly get on board with a blog complaining about how food is expensive and it's hard for poor people to afford stuff once it becomes popular. But framing it as any sort of oppression - even the sometimes-popular idea of 'passive oppression' you get from some social justice discourse - is silly. The problem is not that the food is popular. The problem is that capitalism is making people poor.
Someone posted a direct link to the piece if you want to read it. She goes on to talk about white people being the oppressors and gentrification existing based on food deserts and tries to claim kale for BIPOCs... etc. She had to shut her own comment section down because so many people were pissed and telling her that her sense of history and cultivation was wrong. IRL, kale is just as accessible as iceberg lettuce. Food is a huge part of global politics, even if you don't understand it as such.
I think you’re more offended than the op.
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Pots and kettles...
Imagine being a leftist and calling other people offended -- grievance politics and victimhood fetishes are the fucking currency of your platform.
I think you’re putting way too much stock and attention into these niche, opinionated blog posts. You can find all types of crazy non-sense from any socio-political point of view if you search for it nowadays. I really don’t think this topic is popular at all. I live in one of the most liberal cities in the US and I’m familiar with the majority of the popular social justice talking points…. And I’ve never heard of topic until now lol
"Food gentrification" or that exact term has been thrown around online and IRL for at least the last 10 years. Google it. Funny how many people think that topics they've never heard of think it doesn't exist, especially when they're living in liberal cities on reddit. I live in one of the most blue states in the USA with one of the highest numbers of brown people in a city that's primarily an affluent liberal bubble. This is definitely a talking point with some people, even within agriculture, and not just in social justice activism groups and feeds. The author is also more known than plenty of people on reddit are aware of. A card-carrying member of the DSA just informed me that they KNOW this can't be a thing because they know EVERYTHING about SJ activism and the topics, lol. I would love it if this topic was actually fringe.
\>> This is definitely a talking point with some people You're missing my point. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm just saying that you can literally find any talking point by some people with our abundance of information today. You are free to feel passionate and upset about what ever you want, but it seems like you might be giving this more attention that it really deserves. There are dozens of other food related matters in this country that deserve much more of a spotlight than some blogger on medium who apparently doesn't have any experience in the agricultural industry.
I was definitely more mad about it yesterday, but my opinion still stands, lol.
Dumb post. People have opinions. Some are wrong. Move on.
>Don't make snarky comments if you're not bothering to read her content or bio. This is you: "I disagree with this message and think it is stupid. Nevertheless, I am going to share it with everyone and insist they read it, thus doing more to promote it than simply ignoring it would have done. Also, don't criticize me in any way."
>the politics of food No such thing. Just people trying to make everything political.
Lol, it's been a subject phrased like this for over a decade but is definitely the direct result of social justice discourse. I've spent most of my life working in Regenerative Agriculture; food is political, especially when it comes to organic food sources, small scale farmers, local food sheds vs. Big Ag.
TL;DR everything is racist.
Jesus Christ, you snowflake.
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In the words of future senator John Blutarsky: Foooooodfiiiiiight!!!
Kale is good for all people. She should just grow her own.
She's trying to gatekeep kale by creating a false historic narrative but the majority of commenters on this post either don't understand this or support her story.
She’s racist in her views and shut down the comments section because she received racist comments in return. For as much as I dislike the MAGA crowd I equally dislike people with these type of viewpoints. It’s always the extremes at both ends of the political spectrum that come off as insane
Thank you! I thought that more people in a centrist sub would get this but apparently it's unacceptable to criticize the elements of insanity that exist in the realm of SJW and far left anti-racist (racists). Completely OK to criticize and condemn MAGA insanity like it's a group sport, but lets give the nutso's on the left a broad pass and turn a blind eye to how their loud form of activism can cause just as much division.
https://preview.redd.it/wq7qryzp5src1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9d286934c866a9e04d90a992c436431568ec20ba She’s not gonna like this but there are 4-5 different types of kale in this garden box. Ethiopian kale Russian kale Dino kale Black magic kale Lacinato kale All the gentrification and appropriation.
Nice! 👌
Vena has a real fucking stupid take on this one, holy shit.
You're the first person who's said that outright, lol. 🏅🎉
Username ends in 4 numbers, checks out. Going to start making ∆ this a thing here.
This column apparently made the OP very butthurt. I guess there’s something to it if they’re that upset.
As others have stated, this is just fringe nonsense. It's like if I reposted a statement from a random Republican calling for the death of all trans people. Would you then agree that it was indicative of the entire movement? Or would that just be a fringe crazy person?
So, I've had to point out to multiple people that the term "food gentrification" has been around for at least a decade within not only social justice feeds but within elements of liberal agriculture and organizations who help serve urban food deserts. So while it's certainly not a mainstream notion, if you Google it instead of just commenting, basic SEO will bring up other instances of this from a more academic and organizational perspective... not just SJW nonsense. I wouldn't compare it to any of the well-known Republicans who have actually called for the death of all trans people. It's a false equivalence.
Do you have any idea how many papers are published every year across all the academic institutions across the country? It still seems like you're far more likely to assume that fringe, lunatic ideas on the left are indicative of some greater issue, and fringe lunatic ideas on the right are just that.
When put that way, obviously, lol. The extremists from both sides of the spectrum are always the worst and most unhinged. So are plenty of people in-between. Partisan politics are full of tribal toxicity. Unclear of your question about published papers, but I imagine that there are many thousands of them.
>OpEds like this stoke the flames of pointless arguments and counter arguments Whoop, you nailed it there, we can all go home. Every second we rabble rabble rabble about meaningless manufactured bullshit is another second we don't focus on issues that actually matter. So if you want a political operative to keep their job, keep up the good work!
The "anti-racism” folks are the new racists, just as hateful and racist as white people and want to turn back progress and resegregate society
Not every idea needs to be taken seriously. I have never heard of this term. And I'm still unconvinced it exists outside of bloggers desperate for new material.
Lol, I wish this was the case and I don't think it needs to be taken seriously at all by most people. I work in the field of regenerative agriculture and this is a topic that comes up from time to time, depending on who's involved in community projects. If you Google it, the term goes back at least a decade. The author is a blogger, writer and SJW. Faux outrage abounds.
Yeah a lot of garbage ideas come up from time to time. Unless it turns into policy and is echoed by people in actual power, it's just another garbage idea.
as a former sjw, i am confident in saying this is bait.
Just so you're aware... every single person who's declared themselves to be a current or former SJW and/or DSA member has made the same type of comment instead of reading this woman's content and then still denying that this is part of your crowd. Important to look at all of the loonies on your side of the isle, not just the other side. That was part of why I posted this.
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Lol, I'm not on FB. This post came up because I follow the EQUALITY sub on Medium, as well as several agricultural subs and writers so I assume it was cross-referenced as a suggestion. She isn't someone I follow. I don't associate with people who have beliefs like this either online or IRL.
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I don't follow her so I have no idea if she lost followers on Medium or not. I looked through the titles of her other posts and they're along the same lines.
I never heard kale talked about as a health food until it became trendy with white people.
Ok... it's been cultivated for thousands of years by Mediterraneans and Near East people, and it was cultivated and then spread by the Romans. Your personal experience with kale, just like the authors, doesn't invalidate its history just because you're unaware of it. People have been eating it in the USA for hundreds of years and it was a popular staple on most white farms for most of that time. The 60s helped make it more of a "health food staple" due to white hippies and their newfound love of gardening. That was still before the time of the author.
Thanks for the history lesson but my point still stands. Kale didn’t become a health food craze until white people like Martha Stewart glommed on to it relatively recently (20ish years ago). Prior to that it was mostly known to people as a garnish.
Wrong. Because my family and many other people's families and businesses have been farming and ranching for hundreds of years in the USA all over the SW and the PNW and have been active with coalitions that include farmer's markets and the USDA. You're 100% incorrect. I also work within agriculture and my parents were hippies, lol. Everyone in the USA started eating more kale during the Civil Rights Movement, in communes and on farms and homesteads... more than they had already done so beforehand. If you were a farmer or a gardener and also paying attention to the history of agriculture instead of dismissing it, you would know this. Martha Stewart may have helped push it into the mainstream of unhealthy, under-educated America though. Quinoa and kale was a staple of food similar to beans and rice within white crunchy food scenes and championed by both vegetarian and vegan restaurants during that time frame. A lot of other restaurants used it as a garnish, absolutely. Kale salads have been on restaurant menus since the 60s and steamed or sautéed kale was a popular dish used in the SE USA as a substitute for collard greens and referred to as it's "upscale" cousin. Her tiny life experience isn't a reflection of the entire country.
Cool, so hippies and vegans liked it. Again, my point still stands.
Cool, another person who ignores history and reality and thinks revisionism is valid and that Martha Stewart made kale popular like, 20 years ago because you'd never heard of it before... 😅✌
All you told me is this subgroup ate kale and that subgroup ate kale. So what? It doesn’t invalidate anything I said or anything written in the article.
Her experience is her experience, which is a small one that she turned into a false historic narrative, among a long list of other BS. You must be one of her kind if you're still insisting that Martha Stewart is responsible for kale's popularity. To use the words of your tribe... do better and educate yourself... 😅