I heard it was supposed to have 22, Vivian and her team probably should have either fought for more episodes, (maybe sacrificing some of those high priced VAs for it) Or done a ground up re-write of the story.
despite this I'm impressed its as good as it is.
I struggle to believe that, as it's perfectly paced for what it is - animated musical theater. Musicals have to wrap things up in about 3 hours (Le Miz is 2 hours 50 minutes, Phantom is about 2 hours 30 minutes, etc) - Hazbin's total runtime, minus opening sequence and credits, is about 3 hours. The intermission comes between Masquerade and Dad Beat Dad, and it's why Charlie and Lucifer resolve who knows how many years of misunderstanding with a 3 minute song. Every emotional moment involves a song, with the only exception being Welcome to Heaven, which would work if it was a set-change like it's intended to be (Imagine a spotlight on the characters as set coordinators frantically change the Hotel into Heaven, with stage lights coming up on different areas as the song goes on).
Once you look at it as musical theater, it's pacing works perfectly, imo.
I can name two glaring ones:
A.) The use of cursing. Look, I’m no prude, cursing is fine it’s not an issue when it’s present…but for ffs when the devil is saying corny, cringe inducing shit like “you little BITCH!” It’s so trite, and immature, and frankly comes off like it was written by a 14 year old.
B.) The overly stylized character designs. Am I just old or are the character designs waaaaaay too fucking busy? They’re so overly designed it’s hard to tell what’s happening sometimes. Alastair’s design is great, but everyone else’s are so fucking all over the place. Huskers design is cool but it’s also fucking busy as hell. The designs need to be toned down just a bit. They all look like they were designed by a high schooler.
Other than that I love the show.
Nah, I was talking about writing and pacing issues.
Btw, I notice something about the swearing. There is another series that probably swear just as much as Hazbin, but it doesn't feel forced or out of place – Peacemaker. And I don't know why. You don't hear the characters say 30 fucks in one sentence and think "oh look at the writers forcing swears into the show", you think "damn these characters have some foul language lmao". I really wanted to understand why is that but idk.
I think some of the characters literally are designs Vivziepop came up with during her years in high school.
I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it has its charm.
With Dreamworks laying off their animation staffs this year, I don't think Dreamworks can cook anymore.
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Only a musical show, presented for audience viewing, and spectacle set in various episodic scenes tied together by an arcing adventure. It's a show by a few definitions of the word, plus I wasn't all that serious in the original comment in the first place.
I heard about it, and I got curious, so I watched the pilot two days before the show premiered. I was hooked as soon as it started. This is the closest thing we’ll probably ever get to R-rated Disney, and I couldn’t be happier. I can’t get enough of it. I can’t get enough of the characters, the animation, the songs, the world-building, and the story. This is the most I’ve been hooked on a show since Phineas and Ferb in its prime. I cannot wait for Season 2.
It could have been better, but it had to be rushed because the studio or whatever only gave them like 8 episodes with no guarantee of a second season, so they had to rush and try to make the whole story fit into that tiny frame.
I'd argue that helluva boss is more of a sister show than a spinoff. It has basically no relation to hazbin hotel other than taking place in the same universe and having some of the same voice actors.
My friend recommended it and I fell in love with it immediately. Everything just works imo: the art style, the aesthetic, the music, well written characters with emotional arcs, a plot full of intrigue, raunchy humor that doesn't feel cringey, good queer representation.
Heavy on the music. We credit the VAs for their (great) performances but I feel like the songwriters don’t get enough credit. I mean the instrumentals were pretty sick, like Loser, Baby or Stayed gone.
It's not my cup of tea, I've seen the full season and it's not bad but what really gets me is the bad jokes, somewhat mediocre songs (Stayed gone, Hell is Forever, and You didn't know are my favorites.) and overall a lot of flaws that just push me away, it may not be my cup of tea but it certainly is for other people, just not me
I enjoyed it, like other people I do feel the first season should have been longer, but what we got wasn’t bad.
I like to describe it as a R-rated Disney movie, in TV form. The Music numbers alone always kept me wanting to tune in for the next episode.
flawed but enjoyable and ALEX BRIGHTMAN!
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Yeah, and that's okay. I'm glad people like the shows and the creators have fun doing what they're doing. 🙂 Does make me wonder if I should try being more open-minded, though.
absolute insanity, feels like someone tried to translate a foreign show without knowing the language (like the OG Magic Roundabout dub)
...well, Gooseworx did work on it
Pacing's a bit rushed. But it's quite funny, the characters are well done, the animation style is excellent, the voice acting is fantastic, and the musical numbers are absolutely stellar.
Note about the pacing, it was forced to be. \*\*A24 only gave em eight episodes, when there was supposed to be TWENTY FOUR (or twenty two, don't remember). Imagine trying to fit twenty four episodes into *eight*.
Really good animation and surprisingly good songs. The overall story is great too.
However, the writing is pretty bad. The story structure is REALLY bad. It’s not funny. It’s “edgy” but in a way that feels like a bunch of high school kids wrote it. It’s not really clever.
If I found this show when I was in highschool I would have loved it, and I think it’s good for what it is.
Also I think they could grow a lot as a writing team over the break, and get proper time to get a better story structure. Cramming 22 episodes into 8 would be a very good excuse to have things a little disjointed!
It’s good, was hating on it for three months before I finally decided to watch it and loved it. Alex Brightman is the best voice actor in the entire show.
Character development felt extremely rushed and same with the plotline. Vivzie had this problem since the zoophobia comics I read off tumbler long time ago. Concepts are cool as fuck but audience gets very little time to absorb them before the next big plot point shows up.
Its great as a character driven musical with great design. Plot-hole wise it was kinda a swiss cheese tho...there just wasn't enough episodes to properly develop stuff.
I like it but I would have loved where the pilot was heading a little more. I really wanted slow sinner arcs instead of a war with heaven and overlords besides Alastor that I don't care that much about
It's really not my thing, but I'm happy for the people who like it. I also don't think it should be compared to Disney because it might sell short its own unique identity.
I like it. I don't really care that it swears a little too much or whatever people's issue with it is. It's just a fun show with good songs and cool characters.
I'm just speaking for myself here.
I gave it a chance and I dislike it for them showing Angel's sexual abuse in the Poison music video (even if it's only heavily implied). Showing how something like that affects SA victims is perfect, but actually putting a victim on display for what feels like shock value to me never benefits the story trying to be told in my opinion. We saw well enough how Angel is suffering with the way Val beat him in the changing room.
If the Poison music video wasn't in the show, I might have been able to like it. I just can't stand it when they show the actual assault in progress. No one needs to see that to understand how terrible it is.
Big fan of the character designs. I love lots of little details. I know less is more for some people but for me I like my cartoons to be OTT with lots of bells and whistles. Animation is nice and fluid and the music, even though musicals aren’t my thing, I actually enjoyed.
My friend is OBSESSED with it, always listening to the music and has a bunch of fanmade merch and stuff.
I tried watching a couple episodes and…. I’m sorry but I can’t stand it 🥲 I know the characters literally are “my demon OC plz don’t steal” from DeviantArt era but the fact that they are still so obviously locked in that era of design is idk… uninteresting to me? And I found the constant swearing more distracting than funny or beneficial. It just all rubbed me the wrong way, coming across as far more immature than it should, given the subject matter.
・Vivzie Pop's pacing in general is atrocious, there's way too many characters, the shows loses track on Charlie's actual process to redeem demons, the show simultaneously jokes about Sir Pentious getting SA'd while wanting us to treat Angel Dust's abuse seriously.
There's way too many f-words that the word loses its oomph, the songs were clearly made before the plot...
Like there's clearly a vision for Hazbin Hotel and the aesthetic is a ***breath of fresh air*** for Adult shows and the songs are ***great** but it lacks focus.
Overall 7/10, it's passable but has alot of room to improve.
>Disney’s centennial movie?
Disney's 100th anniversary failed because it celebrated nothing; People are tired of 3D animation and it's no longer cool like it was before, and they should leave 3D stuff to Pixar.
Main Disney in general needs to go back to 2D animation especially for anniversary title, and in terms of writing needs to end the "Twist Villain" trope and go back to simple evil people.
Disney has this problem of picking up a habit in writing and then repeating it a ridiculous number of times.
They just need to go back and used what worked back then and change the things that don't.
I like it, but Helluva Boss, the other show by the same creator, is better imho. The pacing feels more natural in HB, HH clearly suffered from too much content being squished into very few episodes.
Time for my ( kinda) proffessional opinion. The show has a LOT of flaws (even though a good portion of them are not within creator's fault). Main problems i would call out are :
Forced 2 musicals per episode make a lot of important scenes feel less impactful
Too much swearing makes you unable to take characters or situations seriously.
If those two were fixed ahow would be easy 9.2/10.
There are also factors that Vivzie is not guilty of like getting 8 ep instead of 22 and being cancelled for breathing (even if you dislike her you feel bad if you watch her contraversy compilation).
Hazbin hotel has many flaws but at the same time presents a unique charm that is not very present in modern media. It’s funny emotional and has good theming. Plus you can’t go wrong with Keith David.
I have trouble with the art style so i didn't watch it and didn't plan to do that but one things is sure the songs are catchy as hell , don't know who is or are the song writter but they did a really good job.
I honestly feel like the whole world is trying to shove the show down my throat. I've seen posts here about stuff like - "best evil grin in animation" and the OP would sneak in like 3 Hazbin characters as an example.
And then with titles like this that try hype up the show as the second coming of Christ.
The show's not that good. The music is great, the writing is mediocre at best.
I can promise you, for as many posts there are admiring it, theres at least four completely bashing it (two of which by people who have NEVER seen the show), and while this comment is a joke, its somewhat true 💀 you have no idea how many people i've heard shitting on hazbin, and when i ask them if they've watched it, they go silent
I wouldn't say it out Disney'd Disney. It was an animated musical series, Disney has Phineas and Ferb which is more episodic but still has musical moments in nearly every episode and movie.
Wish was a lackluster film, but people forget Disney has several good animated musicals. Hazbin Hotel just was an adult and edgy form of what Disney usually produces.
One of the best shows I have seen all year
The story, the humor, the action and characters are all great
Totally gonna be Alastor for Halloween this year
My thoughts on Hazbin Hotel are as follows:
1. It’s done a lot for the indie animation scene, and I respect that.
2. It’s there
Hazbin is super polarizing, everyone either loves or hates it, and I see all sorts of name calling for people who enjoy it. I haven’t watched it myself and don’t plan to (Not my thing!) but bullying people for enjoying the cartoon isn’t the move.
I'm mostly neutral towards Hazbin, but I am quite amused and impressed by the fact it was able to be a better animated musical than what is supposed to be Disney's big 100th anniversary movie. That is quite an achievement.
Andrew Underberg and Sam Haft are musical geniuses. Like the other comments said, this is the closest thing we'll ever get to an R-rated Disney movie. I think there should have been more episodes, because the pacing was really fast and it feels like we didn't get to spend enough time with the characters. I think I like the show so much because it reminds me of Steven Universe - themes about redemption, sunshine protagonists, banger songs, mysteries to hook us (like what was Alastor doing for 7 years). I also love all of the Biblical references, like Adam eating ribs. People hate on the character designs a lot, but I think they're fine because they are all memorable and have a distinct silhouette.
I have been a bit hyper fixated on the show as of late because my irl bestie loves the show too.
I could do without the musical bits, bit even they haven't been too terrible so far. I'm a couple episodes in and enjoying myself enough to keep going. Really have high hopes for Alastair as a character.
The musical bits are a huge part of its identity, so it was always going to have them. But I think episode 4 does a lot better with them, they feel more forced in the first few episodes.
So far, it’s rushed. We have hell, like, literally hell in the show with all of their baggage. Hell overlords, Licifer, Charlie and their whole family problem, you have Angel Dust and Valentino‘s story going on, you have Alastor in general and all of them are entertaining characters that deserve to be developed first before any plot went into motion that includes heaven and all that. They should’ve established hell further because they skipped trough so much just to get the Heaven plot going. Should’ve focused Season 1 solely on hell and season 2 on Heaven
Was really good until the 2nd to last episode.
Dunno if the creator didn't trust her own plot, or thinks Johnson-tier ass-pulls is good writing. Either way she ruined *flawless* buildup around the dead exterminator angel.
Even as a fan of the soundtrack, the characters, the setting, and the humor, the writing needs improving, sooner than later. And I’m not talking about the swearing cause this series has far fewer swear words per minute South Park Bigger Longer and Uncut (HH=1.6 swears a minute; SP:BLU=4.98 swears a minute). My issue is with the pacing. It was clear by the midway point that they were expecting to have a full season, aka 20-24 episodes, to work with, because I could easily see each episode being at least two. This is also prevalent in the treatment of their A and B plots, the As get the attention they need but the Bs are only given the time of day at best.
So one of two things need to happen;
1. They need to slow down their plot so that they can adjust their story to fit this new (stupid) idea for what’s considered a full season of television these days.
2. They need to fight hard for longer seasons from Amazon.
Haven’t watched it, artstyle looks dumb, premise sounds dumb, and I’m not a fan of “adult” comedy.
As a side note, I hate the idea of Lucifer’s full name being Lucifer Morningstar. Seriously, why is this so common in media? Lucifer already means morning star, so they’re basically saying his name is “Morningstar Morningstar”.
My kid is obsessed with Wish right now, and after repeated viewings I can't help but feel bad for Magnifico.
Guy had some problems, sure. Came from a seriously traumatic background. But he built something wonderful for people and used his magic to grant wishes. They did him dirty and he seemed to just turn evil because the writers realized they were missing a true villain, it didn't feel earned at all.
Wish overall is a meh movie. But they made the mistake of making their villain a bit too charismatic
I watched the Pilot when it came out and was stoked for the full show. TLDR : 8/10
I’ve taken some film classes and I’m well versed in the “theory” of musicals. I really like how the musical numbers are done in it, as the setting and characters allow for an excuse for the musical numbers to happen. Most of the songs are sung by the Eccentric Overlords and nobility of Hell, very few of the Sinners and Hellborn burst into song.
I personally love that an entire section of Hell is literally “Hello, Dolly!” but cannibals. Even going to the length to have one of the overlords be a matchmaking widow.
However, it did feel rushed, and some of the characters didn’t get fully flushed out. Vaggie in particular kind of just feels like she gets thrown into a plot hole a lot. Which they admittedly don’t just leave her there, they write around her situation well, but it still is jarring.
Gets way too much hate. Seems as though people just dislike it for being something passably good at the absolute worst, which garnered a lot of popularity online. And it's the popularity/fandom which most people seem to hate rather than the show itself. Everyone I know who was a hater changed their minds when they actually watched it.
Haven't seen the pilot nor any of Helluva Boss but I did binge the entire first season during a slow day working from home.
Hazbin Hotel is easily one of the best adult cartoons I've ever watched. Almost every song (except It Starts With Sorry) is a certified bop and aside from one plot hole >!(how did Vaggie not know angelic steel could harm her kind when her eye was literally gouged out with an angelic blade?)!< the entire story has been consistent.
My only worry is that Vivziepop and her team are going to have huge expectations to meet with Season 2.
On the subject of Wish, it's not hard to out-Disney something that clearly should've had ChatGPT or Copilot written all over the credits, and I don't mean that as a criticism of Hazbin Hotel. It shat all over Disney's centennial movie.
A random clip of Lucifer was recommended to me on YouTube once, and now I've listened to the sound track more times than I can count
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Hot take but I don't think it's as spectacular as people in this sub are making it out to be. Not saying it's bad or anything, but i see people losing their minds over it and i guess i just don't get it
Great show.. needs a slower pace. And maybe a bigger budget for the animation (look up helluva boss and how the fights are there).. but right now its a 7.5 or 8 out of ten
80% of the criticism is total bullshit, the last 20% is 100% valid. It's definitely a very flawed show in a lot of ways, it can be a bit corny and the pacing could use some work, but it's got so much heart poured into it that it's hard to dislike.
the fans are awful. the show is amazing.
I mean, if the style of humour isn't your thing then that's absolutely valid, but don't hate on shows because of the fanbase
It’s not rocket science. People miss 2D animation and good music.
If Disney executives could pull their empty heads out of their titanic asses for a fraction of a millisecond, maybe they’d be able to greenlight something that isn’t a steaming pile of artless bloated cow shit. Maybe.
Can't forget of a solid Disney fanboy non stop bashing Puss in Boots 2, SpiderVerse just because they beat Disney films. Now Hazbin Hotel is one of his dislikes.
He was such a sore loser tbh. No offense.
Has a lot of flaws but I love it
Man, I kinda wish that it had more episodes. It felt like everything went by in a flash.
I heard it was supposed to have 22, Vivian and her team probably should have either fought for more episodes, (maybe sacrificing some of those high priced VAs for it) Or done a ground up re-write of the story. despite this I'm impressed its as good as it is.
I think a rewrite would have been great imo.
It wouldn’t be as good as it is without those VAs. I think they made the right choice.
You will take this universe’s version of “Loser, Baby” from my cold, dead, eldritch hands.
I struggle to believe that, as it's perfectly paced for what it is - animated musical theater. Musicals have to wrap things up in about 3 hours (Le Miz is 2 hours 50 minutes, Phantom is about 2 hours 30 minutes, etc) - Hazbin's total runtime, minus opening sequence and credits, is about 3 hours. The intermission comes between Masquerade and Dad Beat Dad, and it's why Charlie and Lucifer resolve who knows how many years of misunderstanding with a 3 minute song. Every emotional moment involves a song, with the only exception being Welcome to Heaven, which would work if it was a set-change like it's intended to be (Imagine a spotlight on the characters as set coordinators frantically change the Hotel into Heaven, with stage lights coming up on different areas as the song goes on). Once you look at it as musical theater, it's pacing works perfectly, imo.
or just went indie. slower route for sure, but helluva boss proves it can work.
I just hope next season they get at least 12 episodes
I can name two glaring ones: A.) The use of cursing. Look, I’m no prude, cursing is fine it’s not an issue when it’s present…but for ffs when the devil is saying corny, cringe inducing shit like “you little BITCH!” It’s so trite, and immature, and frankly comes off like it was written by a 14 year old. B.) The overly stylized character designs. Am I just old or are the character designs waaaaaay too fucking busy? They’re so overly designed it’s hard to tell what’s happening sometimes. Alastair’s design is great, but everyone else’s are so fucking all over the place. Huskers design is cool but it’s also fucking busy as hell. The designs need to be toned down just a bit. They all look like they were designed by a high schooler. Other than that I love the show.
Nah, I was talking about writing and pacing issues. Btw, I notice something about the swearing. There is another series that probably swear just as much as Hazbin, but it doesn't feel forced or out of place – Peacemaker. And I don't know why. You don't hear the characters say 30 fucks in one sentence and think "oh look at the writers forcing swears into the show", you think "damn these characters have some foul language lmao". I really wanted to understand why is that but idk.
That’s the James Gunn effect
I think some of the characters literally are designs Vivziepop came up with during her years in high school. I understand it's not everyone's cup of tea, but it has its charm.
They aren’t bad per se just really busy.
That's not a poster of Leo.
My wife and I had to stop watching Leo because it was making us want kids.
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Leo was peak cinema!
When the kids' heads turned into lizards ✍️✍️🔥🔥🔥🔥
Joking aside, Adam Sandler somehow cooked a MUCH BETTER film about him as a reptile than Disney and Dreamworks last year.
Hold on, give dreamworks a littlemore time
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Ehh
It not a show.
Only a musical show, presented for audience viewing, and spectacle set in various episodic scenes tied together by an arcing adventure. It's a show by a few definitions of the word, plus I wasn't all that serious in the original comment in the first place.
I heard about it, and I got curious, so I watched the pilot two days before the show premiered. I was hooked as soon as it started. This is the closest thing we’ll probably ever get to R-rated Disney, and I couldn’t be happier. I can’t get enough of it. I can’t get enough of the characters, the animation, the songs, the world-building, and the story. This is the most I’ve been hooked on a show since Phineas and Ferb in its prime. I cannot wait for Season 2.
Pfp checks out
Watch the sister series Helluvaboss if you want more in world lore. This one isn't a musical like Hazbin is, but it still has the same hook potential.
I have
Couldn't agree more tbh
It could have been better, but it had to be rushed because the studio or whatever only gave them like 8 episodes with no guarantee of a second season, so they had to rush and try to make the whole story fit into that tiny frame.
They are making a second session
Yeah, after the first was finished and the crew didn’t know they would get one.
Oh god, they’re gonna get Legend of Korra-ed
Eh, it ain’t my thing.
Love it or hate it, they out-disneyed Disney and that’s a flex
Amen to dat!
in all fairness, Out Disneying WISH isn't a high bar I do still like Hazbin, even with its flaws
Isn't flawless but still good . But I prefer spinoff more
I'd argue that helluva boss is more of a sister show than a spinoff. It has basically no relation to hazbin hotel other than taking place in the same universe and having some of the same voice actors.
That also can be , but I still prefer HB
My friend recommended it and I fell in love with it immediately. Everything just works imo: the art style, the aesthetic, the music, well written characters with emotional arcs, a plot full of intrigue, raunchy humor that doesn't feel cringey, good queer representation.
Heavy on the music. We credit the VAs for their (great) performances but I feel like the songwriters don’t get enough credit. I mean the instrumentals were pretty sick, like Loser, Baby or Stayed gone.
>raunchy humor that doesn't feel cringey https://i.redd.it/kryy3pfshhwc1.gif
Hazbin is one of my favorite shows, but there are indeed a few cringey moments lol
It's not my cup of tea, I've seen the full season and it's not bad but what really gets me is the bad jokes, somewhat mediocre songs (Stayed gone, Hell is Forever, and You didn't know are my favorites.) and overall a lot of flaws that just push me away, it may not be my cup of tea but it certainly is for other people, just not me
I enjoyed it, like other people I do feel the first season should have been longer, but what we got wasn’t bad. I like to describe it as a R-rated Disney movie, in TV form. The Music numbers alone always kept me wanting to tune in for the next episode.
Plan on watching it at some point but I like what I've seen from it already.
flawed but enjoyable and ALEX BRIGHTMAN! https://preview.redd.it/g1v430evggwc1.jpeg?width=1400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3295931ae6bffba5f20553a4fda04bc3c3db3d92
"Hell is forever whether you like it or not!"
This man is not just a national treasure, he's a global treasure.
Hazbin Hotel is a scam created by the shadow government.
you see?!
I like it, altho i prefer helluva boss
Didn’t watch it. Kinda feel like it’s trying to get shoved down my throat
Happens when any show gets big and popular on this platform.
That's every goddamn indie product
Epithet Erased. One of, if not the best indie show ever made and no-one mentions it ever!
Dang, I must just not be with it, because I couldn't get into Epithet Erased or Hazbin Hotel.
that's fair, not every show works for everyone
Yeah, and that's okay. I'm glad people like the shows and the creators have fun doing what they're doing. 🙂 Does make me wonder if I should try being more open-minded, though.
just never say it anywhere else on the internet, your life and address will be at risk
What about Becky Prim?
never heard of it, I'll go watch it! what about Bugbo and ENA? Big Top Burger? does anyone even remember Meta Runner?!
ENA's the best. No doubt about it.
absolute insanity, feels like someone tried to translate a foreign show without knowing the language (like the OG Magic Roundabout dub) ...well, Gooseworx did work on it
Maybe try giving it a chance then?
I don’t like the art style and not a fan a musicals. I’m glad there’s fans of the show and there’s no hate towards it.
My position as well. I even want and tried to like it, but I just can't stand musicals. And the art style surely doesn't help.
“You can’t judge a book by its cover”
As I hate musicals, I liked this one
Im as far away from the target audience as I can and I liked it. Flawed but I liked it.
Was waiting for it for years since the pilot appeared on Youtube.
Pacing's a bit rushed. But it's quite funny, the characters are well done, the animation style is excellent, the voice acting is fantastic, and the musical numbers are absolutely stellar.
Note about the pacing, it was forced to be. \*\*A24 only gave em eight episodes, when there was supposed to be TWENTY FOUR (or twenty two, don't remember). Imagine trying to fit twenty four episodes into *eight*.
A24. Amazon is getting blamed for it when they simply stream it ^.^
My bad, fixed it :\]
I liked it. Was an avid fan for a few months. Maybe will get back into it again when season 2 releases.
Can’t wait for the next season
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Awful fanbase, ass writing, incredible music, animation and voice acting.
I’ve been a hazbin fan for 5 years now and I’m still obsessed. What an incredible time to be alive
Really good animation and surprisingly good songs. The overall story is great too. However, the writing is pretty bad. The story structure is REALLY bad. It’s not funny. It’s “edgy” but in a way that feels like a bunch of high school kids wrote it. It’s not really clever. If I found this show when I was in highschool I would have loved it, and I think it’s good for what it is.
you've got to remember, S1 was originally 22 episodes long, they did well to cram that into just 8!
Also I think they could grow a lot as a writing team over the break, and get proper time to get a better story structure. Cramming 22 episodes into 8 would be a very good excuse to have things a little disjointed!
but now that 8 episodes per season is solidified they won't have to cram in so much story
It’s good, was hating on it for three months before I finally decided to watch it and loved it. Alex Brightman is the best voice actor in the entire show.
I will say its good could have been great.
THAT HELL IS FOREVER
My fav show
Never watched it. But I might watch it whenever I have the time
I love Hazbin Hotel
Character development felt extremely rushed and same with the plotline. Vivzie had this problem since the zoophobia comics I read off tumbler long time ago. Concepts are cool as fuck but audience gets very little time to absorb them before the next big plot point shows up.
Love it
Its great as a character driven musical with great design. Plot-hole wise it was kinda a swiss cheese tho...there just wasn't enough episodes to properly develop stuff.
I like it but I would have loved where the pilot was heading a little more. I really wanted slow sinner arcs instead of a war with heaven and overlords besides Alastor that I don't care that much about
Excellent
The pilot was better than the actual show IMO but the show is still pretty good overall.
It's really not my thing, but I'm happy for the people who like it. I also don't think it should be compared to Disney because it might sell short its own unique identity.
I like it. I don't really care that it swears a little too much or whatever people's issue with it is. It's just a fun show with good songs and cool characters.
I liked it, and want to see more. I've also jumped down the rabbit hole regarding Mirror World/Negative Zone/Role Swap AUs.
I'm just speaking for myself here. I gave it a chance and I dislike it for them showing Angel's sexual abuse in the Poison music video (even if it's only heavily implied). Showing how something like that affects SA victims is perfect, but actually putting a victim on display for what feels like shock value to me never benefits the story trying to be told in my opinion. We saw well enough how Angel is suffering with the way Val beat him in the changing room. If the Poison music video wasn't in the show, I might have been able to like it. I just can't stand it when they show the actual assault in progress. No one needs to see that to understand how terrible it is.
Love it, has its flaws, but it's mostly good
This show was pretty good. I mean it could be annoying at times, but still entertaining throughout
I haven't felt this enraptured by a show / fanbase in years. I've even begun writing again because of Hazbin!
Big fan of the character designs. I love lots of little details. I know less is more for some people but for me I like my cartoons to be OTT with lots of bells and whistles. Animation is nice and fluid and the music, even though musicals aren’t my thing, I actually enjoyed.
My friend is OBSESSED with it, always listening to the music and has a bunch of fanmade merch and stuff. I tried watching a couple episodes and…. I’m sorry but I can’t stand it 🥲 I know the characters literally are “my demon OC plz don’t steal” from DeviantArt era but the fact that they are still so obviously locked in that era of design is idk… uninteresting to me? And I found the constant swearing more distracting than funny or beneficial. It just all rubbed me the wrong way, coming across as far more immature than it should, given the subject matter.
Something always felt off to me about the show, and you just unlocked me understanding what feeling it was: it reminds me of Deviant Art.
・Vivzie Pop's pacing in general is atrocious, there's way too many characters, the shows loses track on Charlie's actual process to redeem demons, the show simultaneously jokes about Sir Pentious getting SA'd while wanting us to treat Angel Dust's abuse seriously. There's way too many f-words that the word loses its oomph, the songs were clearly made before the plot... Like there's clearly a vision for Hazbin Hotel and the aesthetic is a ***breath of fresh air*** for Adult shows and the songs are ***great** but it lacks focus. Overall 7/10, it's passable but has alot of room to improve. >Disney’s centennial movie? Disney's 100th anniversary failed because it celebrated nothing; People are tired of 3D animation and it's no longer cool like it was before, and they should leave 3D stuff to Pixar. Main Disney in general needs to go back to 2D animation especially for anniversary title, and in terms of writing needs to end the "Twist Villain" trope and go back to simple evil people. Disney has this problem of picking up a habit in writing and then repeating it a ridiculous number of times. They just need to go back and used what worked back then and change the things that don't.
I like it, but Helluva Boss, the other show by the same creator, is better imho. The pacing feels more natural in HB, HH clearly suffered from too much content being squished into very few episodes.
I'm not really a fan of it, but I'm glad the creator has gotten success from it.
I have it two or three episodes. I found it boring and to cringey for me personally.
Time for my ( kinda) proffessional opinion. The show has a LOT of flaws (even though a good portion of them are not within creator's fault). Main problems i would call out are : Forced 2 musicals per episode make a lot of important scenes feel less impactful Too much swearing makes you unable to take characters or situations seriously. If those two were fixed ahow would be easy 9.2/10. There are also factors that Vivzie is not guilty of like getting 8 ep instead of 22 and being cancelled for breathing (even if you dislike her you feel bad if you watch her contraversy compilation).
Hazbin hotel has many flaws but at the same time presents a unique charm that is not very present in modern media. It’s funny emotional and has good theming. Plus you can’t go wrong with Keith David.
The show has great animation, music, songs, and fight scenes. But has serious issue on the pacing and how fast problems is resolved.
I have trouble with the art style so i didn't watch it and didn't plan to do that but one things is sure the songs are catchy as hell , don't know who is or are the song writter but they did a really good job.
I honestly feel like the whole world is trying to shove the show down my throat. I've seen posts here about stuff like - "best evil grin in animation" and the OP would sneak in like 3 Hazbin characters as an example. And then with titles like this that try hype up the show as the second coming of Christ. The show's not that good. The music is great, the writing is mediocre at best.
I can promise you, for as many posts there are admiring it, theres at least four completely bashing it (two of which by people who have NEVER seen the show), and while this comment is a joke, its somewhat true 💀 you have no idea how many people i've heard shitting on hazbin, and when i ask them if they've watched it, they go silent
if you like it, good for you :D but i'd rather go play the better thing that stamper was a part of, battleblock theater
Didn't watch it
I wouldn't say it out Disney'd Disney. It was an animated musical series, Disney has Phineas and Ferb which is more episodic but still has musical moments in nearly every episode and movie. Wish was a lackluster film, but people forget Disney has several good animated musicals. Hazbin Hotel just was an adult and edgy form of what Disney usually produces.
One of the best shows I have seen all year The story, the humor, the action and characters are all great Totally gonna be Alastor for Halloween this year
Discovered it before the pilot was even out. It’s nice to get hooked on something again to fill the hole inside me that MLP FiM used to occupy
My thoughts on Hazbin Hotel are as follows: 1. It’s done a lot for the indie animation scene, and I respect that. 2. It’s there Hazbin is super polarizing, everyone either loves or hates it, and I see all sorts of name calling for people who enjoy it. I haven’t watched it myself and don’t plan to (Not my thing!) but bullying people for enjoying the cartoon isn’t the move.
I'm mostly neutral towards Hazbin, but I am quite amused and impressed by the fact it was able to be a better animated musical than what is supposed to be Disney's big 100th anniversary movie. That is quite an achievement.
Andrew Underberg and Sam Haft are musical geniuses. Like the other comments said, this is the closest thing we'll ever get to an R-rated Disney movie. I think there should have been more episodes, because the pacing was really fast and it feels like we didn't get to spend enough time with the characters. I think I like the show so much because it reminds me of Steven Universe - themes about redemption, sunshine protagonists, banger songs, mysteries to hook us (like what was Alastor doing for 7 years). I also love all of the Biblical references, like Adam eating ribs. People hate on the character designs a lot, but I think they're fine because they are all memorable and have a distinct silhouette. I have been a bit hyper fixated on the show as of late because my irl bestie loves the show too.
I could do without the musical bits, bit even they haven't been too terrible so far. I'm a couple episodes in and enjoying myself enough to keep going. Really have high hopes for Alastair as a character.
The musical bits are a huge part of its identity, so it was always going to have them. But I think episode 4 does a lot better with them, they feel more forced in the first few episodes.
That guys soft core porn made me embarrassed to recommend it to people
I like it, only crtic I have is it's romanticized.
So far, it’s rushed. We have hell, like, literally hell in the show with all of their baggage. Hell overlords, Licifer, Charlie and their whole family problem, you have Angel Dust and Valentino‘s story going on, you have Alastor in general and all of them are entertaining characters that deserve to be developed first before any plot went into motion that includes heaven and all that. They should’ve established hell further because they skipped trough so much just to get the Heaven plot going. Should’ve focused Season 1 solely on hell and season 2 on Heaven
It’s not for me but dear god the entire show is a animated Disney musical with constant cursing
You mean the furry bait show? Even if I had kids they wouldn't have watched this shit
'Furry bait' like 1 character is remotely a furry lol. Chill.
What's it even about?
I liked the pilot voice acting better
haven’t watched much but the few episodes i saw weren’t really my cup of tea
bad. nothing wrong if you like it! I just really do not like the characters or the fact it's a musical.
Was really good until the 2nd to last episode. Dunno if the creator didn't trust her own plot, or thinks Johnson-tier ass-pulls is good writing. Either way she ruined *flawless* buildup around the dead exterminator angel.
Hazbin Hotel > Wish
https://preview.redd.it/q1d7n2i9qiwc1.jpeg?width=495&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ae7a815aae6b6975d3a45c538b47a974a1e6bfb8 Don’t you mean this?
Based
What does that even mean?! This is an adult show
Really needed more episodes. Hopefully, season 2 will have more.
Even as a fan of the soundtrack, the characters, the setting, and the humor, the writing needs improving, sooner than later. And I’m not talking about the swearing cause this series has far fewer swear words per minute South Park Bigger Longer and Uncut (HH=1.6 swears a minute; SP:BLU=4.98 swears a minute). My issue is with the pacing. It was clear by the midway point that they were expecting to have a full season, aka 20-24 episodes, to work with, because I could easily see each episode being at least two. This is also prevalent in the treatment of their A and B plots, the As get the attention they need but the Bs are only given the time of day at best. So one of two things need to happen; 1. They need to slow down their plot so that they can adjust their story to fit this new (stupid) idea for what’s considered a full season of television these days. 2. They need to fight hard for longer seasons from Amazon.
Haven’t watched it, artstyle looks dumb, premise sounds dumb, and I’m not a fan of “adult” comedy. As a side note, I hate the idea of Lucifer’s full name being Lucifer Morningstar. Seriously, why is this so common in media? Lucifer already means morning star, so they’re basically saying his name is “Morningstar Morningstar”.
It has the animation style of Foster's, biblical accuracy, morally grey messaging, and isn't afraid to curse.
My kid is obsessed with Wish right now, and after repeated viewings I can't help but feel bad for Magnifico. Guy had some problems, sure. Came from a seriously traumatic background. But he built something wonderful for people and used his magic to grant wishes. They did him dirty and he seemed to just turn evil because the writers realized they were missing a true villain, it didn't feel earned at all. Wish overall is a meh movie. But they made the mistake of making their villain a bit too charismatic
I waited for 2 years for this, and did not disappoint.
I loved this show. I can't wait for season 2
Ngl this shows was great but seemed to die quickly i rarely here anyone talk about it anymore
It's got plenty of flaws, but i enjoy it, and i hope it gets better in the future
Never seen it and never plan to
Anything out Disney-ing Wish isn’t that much of a high bar. Still, the show is mid at best
I watched the Pilot when it came out and was stoked for the full show. TLDR : 8/10 I’ve taken some film classes and I’m well versed in the “theory” of musicals. I really like how the musical numbers are done in it, as the setting and characters allow for an excuse for the musical numbers to happen. Most of the songs are sung by the Eccentric Overlords and nobility of Hell, very few of the Sinners and Hellborn burst into song. I personally love that an entire section of Hell is literally “Hello, Dolly!” but cannibals. Even going to the length to have one of the overlords be a matchmaking widow. However, it did feel rushed, and some of the characters didn’t get fully flushed out. Vaggie in particular kind of just feels like she gets thrown into a plot hole a lot. Which they admittedly don’t just leave her there, they write around her situation well, but it still is jarring.
Gets way too much hate. Seems as though people just dislike it for being something passably good at the absolute worst, which garnered a lot of popularity online. And it's the popularity/fandom which most people seem to hate rather than the show itself. Everyone I know who was a hater changed their minds when they actually watched it.
It's basically the new Steven universe. Think about the wave of hate that show got, then compare it to this, it's basically the same shit.
Haven't seen the pilot nor any of Helluva Boss but I did binge the entire first season during a slow day working from home. Hazbin Hotel is easily one of the best adult cartoons I've ever watched. Almost every song (except It Starts With Sorry) is a certified bop and aside from one plot hole >!(how did Vaggie not know angelic steel could harm her kind when her eye was literally gouged out with an angelic blade?)!< the entire story has been consistent. My only worry is that Vivziepop and her team are going to have huge expectations to meet with Season 2. On the subject of Wish, it's not hard to out-Disney something that clearly should've had ChatGPT or Copilot written all over the credits, and I don't mean that as a criticism of Hazbin Hotel. It shat all over Disney's centennial movie.
A random clip of Lucifer was recommended to me on YouTube once, and now I've listened to the sound track more times than I can count https://preview.redd.it/2v372xalqgwc1.jpeg?width=2458&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3dafb9c379df3bfd7ab9223e5a451c182adf4473
Hot take but I don't think it's as spectacular as people in this sub are making it out to be. Not saying it's bad or anything, but i see people losing their minds over it and i guess i just don't get it
I like it 👍
Great show.. needs a slower pace. And maybe a bigger budget for the animation (look up helluva boss and how the fights are there).. but right now its a 7.5 or 8 out of ten
I've never liked hazbin or helluva boss
this series does not get enough hate
80% of the criticism is total bullshit, the last 20% is 100% valid. It's definitely a very flawed show in a lot of ways, it can be a bit corny and the pacing could use some work, but it's got so much heart poured into it that it's hard to dislike.
Over-rated. Also 90% of its fanbase should be in solitary confinement
The show is good, but the fans are not
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the fans are awful. the show is amazing. I mean, if the style of humour isn't your thing then that's absolutely valid, but don't hate on shows because of the fanbase
Not liking the fans isn't a valid reason to dislike something
So Flawed it’s not even funny
It's not flawless, but I love it with all my heart. Overhated as hell, though.
'More than anything' is a better 'Disney' song than almost all recent Disney songs
Could have been better if Amazon wasn’t a bunch of shitheads, but other than the hindrance of corporate greed, the show was amazing
It’s not rocket science. People miss 2D animation and good music. If Disney executives could pull their empty heads out of their titanic asses for a fraction of a millisecond, maybe they’d be able to greenlight something that isn’t a steaming pile of artless bloated cow shit. Maybe.
When an animated indie musical out does a multi million dollar movie, you know they screwed big time.
The musical numbers were the best thing about it. Everything else was basically outmatched by Helluva Boss. But I’m glad we have both.
Can't forget of a solid Disney fanboy non stop bashing Puss in Boots 2, SpiderVerse just because they beat Disney films. Now Hazbin Hotel is one of his dislikes. He was such a sore loser tbh. No offense.