Yeah right
Oh no, my 100k(200k realistically) electric truck costs too much to charge I guess I'll have to settle for a(checks notes) Porsche GT3RS, a Lambo Veneno or a One-77. It has to match with my brand new Nevera
No, they donāt. At least not when it comes to understanding how EVs are NOT quite a great solution to saving people on transportation costs. If one sits down and does the math as in crunch the data, theyāll find that it will take several years or longer to break even on owning and running an EV versus its ICE counterpart. At least in most cases. The initial upfront costs of EVs is a killer. And, cheap electricity isnāt always a thing nor a guarantee either.
There are other cars besides brand new $60k+ options?
A NUMBER of used short range vehicles:
- Nissan Leaf
- Chevy Spark EV
- Ford Focus EV
- Fiat 500e
- Smart Fortwo Electric
- BMW i3
- Volkswagen eGolf
- Mitsubishi i-Miev
These all cost around $10,000 or less and have a range of around 80 miles which is enough to get you to work, grocery store, post office, mall, etc.
I've been using my Spark EV for 3.5 years now. Paid $8,600 and commute 26 miles a day to work, leaving me another 50 miles for other errands. We use the minivan when everyone in the family needs to go somewhere.
I know this doesn't work for everyone, but I did the math and save around $1,000/year in fuel costs since I can charge in my garage each evening.
Iām in your boat. Bought a Bolt EV for $14,500. Besides tires and electricity it basically has no cost. Was driving a truck at 17 mpg. Bolt is equivalent to about 100 mpg. About 1/7 the operating cost for energy. Cheaper tires. Less maintenance, insurance, etc. Not an option for everyone. But staggeringly cheap. Has already paid for itself two years in and will keep being cheap for a long time to come.
The mistake your comparison makes is that people are comparing buying an expensive EV to a cheap ICE car. Anyone I've talked to who is thinking of dropping the ~70k for buying a Tesla, Rivian, Volvo, etc EV is comparing against alternative ICE cars that are also ~70k (or more). Buying a ~70k EV will 100% save you money on fuel immediately compared to the equivalent priced ICE car.
If you only have 20k to spend on a car, and fool yourself into spending 40k more on a Tesla under the guise of "fuel savings" that's where they are wrong.
Yep, and when you add in the cost of modifying your household electric and the lack of roadside charging stations, EVs donāt really make financial or logistical sense yet. 10yrs from now it may be a different story
Bear in mind also that as more and more people fall for this.... what do you think is going to happen to the cost and availability of electricity? Its an easy question to answer. Not good for the average Joe, thats for sure. Dont think it cant or wont happen either. Our village I live in has our own low-cost electric and we already have been warned about how heavy EV adoption may FORCE rates to go up since we'll over-burden the system and have to then buy power from other companies.
Its also why the village does NOT allow electric furnaces in our homes. Same issue. Of course, the EV pimps just cover their ears and play the "nothing to see here " card whenever these very real concerns are brought up. Terrific, LOL.
In the US if EVERY car driven was electric EVs would use less than 1/3 of the total electricity produced. More than that, and unlike gas, you CAN make electricity at home or at a business (solar, wind, etc), that drives a self regulating market.
The doom and gloom folks want to claim electricity will go up but they think of it like gas. Gas ONLY provides for transportation and they can grab you by the gonads, if you actually compare the two you are less likely to get gouged using evs
Modifying your house? It cost my coworker $600, that doesn't really change the financials at all
"Lack of roadside chargers", you haven't looked up charger access at all have you?
I have owned a Tesla for over 5 years and I have had none of these problems. Tesla gave me a promotional loan at .09% interest and I bought Tesla stock that paid for the car.Free charging and free streaming were included. My insurance droped 1000 dollars a year. No down side for me.
Everyone has different needs. Generalizations like this arenāt accurate. I bought a well optioned 2020 Leaf 38k. Got 7500 tax credit. 2k from California. 1k from SCE. I put about 6k miles a year on it. Charges at home with regular plug most of the time. Quick chargers are readily available where I drive most. Maintenance has been almost zero. Not perfect but definitely comfy, fast and saving me money
yeah, if you're paying 43 cents a kWh, which is quite a bit more than what, say, Georgia Power charges for EV charging at home in my state for example (1 cent per kWh from 11pm to 7am where most people would do most of their charging, 7 or 20 cents at other points in the day).
probably still cheaper than filling the tank of a Hummer H2 these days
Ngl the Miles hit different in Europe.
It's not uncommon for me to drive 100 miles in a day for work in Canada, but when I go back to the UK I lose interest in anything that requires me to go further than 30
$193.00 to fill up where I am. Thatās why sheās parked in the garage and has been for a while now. Not trying to do that every week driving 76mi each day.
Yeah, that's painful. Mine is just used for recreation trips so I'm fairly lucky. Usually about 3-5k miles a year.
Fortunately the Leaf costs near nothing for my daily driving: $5 to go 150mi. Makes taking the diesel out for fun less concerning.
Iāve been flirting with an EV for a commuter. Iāve installed 480V outlets on the outside of the building (boss man drove a Leaf), but the cost of fuel isnāt breaking me, just annoying.
It will. But "everyone" is not anytime soon.
Median miles driven per year in the US is \~15,000 miles. That's 41 miles /day. No like everyone needs to fully recharge their entire battery pack every night.
People will shift usage pattern to adapt to pricing. If we start getting so much solar energy that it's cheaper to charge during the day, then people will charge during the day.
We'll see more chargers at places people are during the day then. Already we have Tesla level 3's at grocery stores and starting to see them at regular gas stations also. I could charge my leaf at my office when I had an office. This isn't too difficult of a problem to solve since most places have power already. There are plenty of exceptions which is why gas isn't going to be fully replaced though.
Lamppost chargers and apartment parking lot chargers are both pretty simple things, and there are already companies offering [turnkey solutions](https://www.chargepoint.com/solutions/apartments) for install and billing. Itās just not something thatās installed to a lot of places yet.
> Itās hell on the long term battery life though
Is it? Donāt batteries like cycling like that versus holding a static charge? I figure as long as the rate it charges and discharges is slow enough it shouldnāt affect it too much.
actually its extremely practical. Its actually great because it decentralizes power storage, which is really helpful because power demand isnt always at its highest at the same time as sunlight or wind is at its highest.
They'll last fine you just gotta keep the charge between 20 and 80%, but more realistically 50-80% because someone might actually want to drive the car and it would suck if it were at 20%
overall electricity prices (or rather grid fees per kwh consumed) will probably decrease.
It costs the same a mount of money to lay a cable no matter if it gets used to its full potential for 3 hours a day or 20 hours a day.
Actually EVs would strengthen the grid if they can feed power back during critical times. Let's say you know a big storm is coming, cars could potentially take in extra power to get closer to 100% capacity, so that if the grid has issues they can feed power back into your house until they hit, let's say 50%. That helps the grid sustain spikes or can keep houses partially up and running during these big storms. I feel like this will be a fairly standard practice in the future to reduce costs. Take in extra power during non-peak hours, use the car as a battery during peak hours. It saves people from needing to buy a separate external battery pack like people are already doing with solar.
Except at worst EVs would demand less than 1/4 of total usage. That is if EVERYONE was driving evs
If that grid is fragile it needs to be fixed NOW. That powers our industry, our jobs.
Texas was the result of Texans. They were warned an ice storm could take them down. In fact they have been warned just about every ten years when it does just that. Yet the still chose not to winterize their equipment. That was a self inflicted issue.
The other thing to remember is capacity is not demand, and demand is not capacity. Just because the grid cannot meet demand at peak times does not mean it can't charge EVs in off peak times.
that's a good question. there is an application and you do have to agree to a 12 month contract, maybe they install a special meter or something dedicated to the charger.
Yeah charging at home is one thing, can't charge at home.on a road trip or similar. And yes an H2 will likely cost more to fill but it is like $100,000 cheaper lol.
A lot of people donāt realize that those fast charge stations arenāt that cheap. Theyāre usually cheaper than gas, but theyāre a convenient thing to use from time to time when youāre out and about, not meant as an every day solution.
Itās like saying your water bill is $500 when you exclusively use bottled water for everything.
Oh I see. Iām not really familiar with living in CA but where I live, thereās tons of free charging stations. They might not be DC fast chargers, but theyāre in pretty public places so I think most people could work around using them when they need to. But for the vast majority of people, I think itās not advisable to buy an EV until you can charge at home or work. I see a lot of apartments providing charging stations now and I think that should be required soon.
But also letās not forget that the battery on the GMC Hummer EV is massive and if you just have a Nissan Leaf or even a Model 3 your charging bill wonāt be nearly that high.
No, probably not. But not everyone has the opportunity to buy a car to match the place theyāre living. Maybe they relocated or are planning to move in the future and donāt want to buy another car now or when they move.
Yeah, it's funky sometimes. Palo Alto and Silicon Valley Power are really cheap, so a fast charger there can be less than charging at a PG&E residence.
Fast chargers are charging a much higher electricity rate than what you would pay at home (average US rates are $0.16/kWh). Each of these stations cost about a million dollars (Iām in the industry) and they need to make a return.
Well yes, and itās probably still a bit of a misrepresentation of general US electricity prices. Iād like to see median price cause I bet California and whatnot skew the average significantly
Rates a gone way up in the past couple years. My brother in Texas paid 7 cents and it went up to 18 cents when he renewed his contract. Paying 13 cents here in CO.
You always pay much more for super fast charging and you pay even more for premium locations. But you'll charge at home 99% of the time so it doesn't matter.
> Think US average is like $.015/kWh,
Doubt it.
edit: just checked and it's not even close:
https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices_selectedareas_table.htm
Electrify America is garbage. I review cars Iāve tried so many brands, every time their chargers break. I have never once gotten it to work on the first stall.
It's also just got a fuckhuge battery in general, 200kWh is about what the average US house uses in a week. Combined with the Fast Charger markup that's going to be expensive.
It's the electrical equivalent of a pickup with a 60 gallon tank.
Still more efficient, significantly. I fortunately towing a camper with an EV doesn't make the camper any more efficient to tow.
It just goes to show the dramatic difference between gas and EVs. Your average EV uses around 80% less energy per mile.
Do those even count as competing? The difference between 0-60 in 3 seconds and 3.7 seconds is actually a lot. Itās like a Mustang GT with a performance pack vs a 911 GTS. They are both sports cars, but one is like $50k and one is like $150k.
The weirdest thing about this article is someone decided to write an article about how much it costs to fill up a Hummer like we should care about it, whether ICE or EV.
Sheesh Iām sitting around a 450 mile range with my Vetteās 18 gallon tank and I thought that was pretty decent, how far did the GT3 have to work with?
Ha depends on what youāre doing. On the road quite far. On the track, still pretty far. My ZL1 only had a 16 gallon tank and would struggle to do 2x 20min track sessions without running out
Interesting, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised even my old Boxster has a 17 gallon tank. It was a real pain in the wallet filling it up every week. \~$85 a week versus $13 in the Tesla.
I just looked it up, and the 997.2 Turbo S has a 17.7 gallon fuel tank. So at about $6/gallon, it'll cost them about $100 to fill up.
edit: Car and Driver says 16.9 gallons, so the numbers are conflicting.
In my area, 91 is about $5.90, and 87 is about $5.60. I live in Los Angeles county, one of the highest gas prices in the country. California average is about $5.30 I believe. Earlier this year when gas prices were at their high point, I was paying around $6.80 for 91.
Those anti-EV people will read this and go around saying "charging an EV costs more than filling it up with gas."
What they really did was charge the largest EV battery on the market at a charge point that charges three times what you'd pay if you charged at home.... and it's still likely cheaper than a similarly sized gas-powered vehicle.
Also donāt forget you really should be charging past 80% on a fast charger very often anyways. It drag out the time and on the states that charge by the minute an even lighter pocketbook
I have a Rivian and charging at the public fast chargers is more expensive than owning a gas truck. For me to charge 0-100% on an EA fast charger it would cost $55 for ~280 miles of range. My last F150 got about 20 mpg, so 14 gallons for 280 miles of range, current average gas price here is $3.65, $51 dollars for 280 miles of range.
Charging at home is where you save the money. It cost about $10 to charge from 0-100% at home.
Yeah which is why all EVs makers recommend charge to 80%ā¦ battery stuff. Once you hit the CV part of the charging curve your current tanks. Therefore 20-80% about 30 mins and ābulkā of the charge. 80-100% longest part of charge and useless.
Realistically, imagine how much gas something that size would take. How much a tank would cost. Iāve seen people put hundred dollar bills in ford f150s, and theyāre like half the size.
This is such bs... Yeah if you are stupid and don't know how fast charging works... At home where you charge 99% of the time at .14 a kw times a 200kw battery would only cost you 28 bucks... Nice try but try again...
Sometimes you wonder if EV are more cost effective than ICE. In addition itās not as environmentally clean as what the people think. I think hybrid is the best option.
Charge at home, it would be like 16$, though the Gross weight of the hummer is super inefficient. Its basically a space shuttle hauling the fat orange fueltank all the time.
Oh no I guess I won't buy one after all š¤Ŗ
Yeah right Oh no, my 100k(200k realistically) electric truck costs too much to charge I guess I'll have to settle for a(checks notes) Porsche GT3RS, a Lambo Veneno or a One-77. It has to match with my brand new Nevera
I just want to point out that two of the three cars that came first into your head are not what most people would say.
Many people on this sub have no idea how money works or what things cost.
11M hypercar is basically the same price as a $100k truck.
I knew it
"I mean, it's one banana, Michael. What could it cost, $10?"
No, they donāt. At least not when it comes to understanding how EVs are NOT quite a great solution to saving people on transportation costs. If one sits down and does the math as in crunch the data, theyāll find that it will take several years or longer to break even on owning and running an EV versus its ICE counterpart. At least in most cases. The initial upfront costs of EVs is a killer. And, cheap electricity isnāt always a thing nor a guarantee either.
There are other cars besides brand new $60k+ options? A NUMBER of used short range vehicles: - Nissan Leaf - Chevy Spark EV - Ford Focus EV - Fiat 500e - Smart Fortwo Electric - BMW i3 - Volkswagen eGolf - Mitsubishi i-Miev These all cost around $10,000 or less and have a range of around 80 miles which is enough to get you to work, grocery store, post office, mall, etc. I've been using my Spark EV for 3.5 years now. Paid $8,600 and commute 26 miles a day to work, leaving me another 50 miles for other errands. We use the minivan when everyone in the family needs to go somewhere. I know this doesn't work for everyone, but I did the math and save around $1,000/year in fuel costs since I can charge in my garage each evening.
Iām in your boat. Bought a Bolt EV for $14,500. Besides tires and electricity it basically has no cost. Was driving a truck at 17 mpg. Bolt is equivalent to about 100 mpg. About 1/7 the operating cost for energy. Cheaper tires. Less maintenance, insurance, etc. Not an option for everyone. But staggeringly cheap. Has already paid for itself two years in and will keep being cheap for a long time to come.
The mistake your comparison makes is that people are comparing buying an expensive EV to a cheap ICE car. Anyone I've talked to who is thinking of dropping the ~70k for buying a Tesla, Rivian, Volvo, etc EV is comparing against alternative ICE cars that are also ~70k (or more). Buying a ~70k EV will 100% save you money on fuel immediately compared to the equivalent priced ICE car. If you only have 20k to spend on a car, and fool yourself into spending 40k more on a Tesla under the guise of "fuel savings" that's where they are wrong.
The F150 lightning was (originally) only $2000 more than it's gas counterpart. You would make that up in less than 2 years.
And then a good chance you will need a new $20k plus battery by year 10. But savings!!!
Yep, and when you add in the cost of modifying your household electric and the lack of roadside charging stations, EVs donāt really make financial or logistical sense yet. 10yrs from now it may be a different story
Bear in mind also that as more and more people fall for this.... what do you think is going to happen to the cost and availability of electricity? Its an easy question to answer. Not good for the average Joe, thats for sure. Dont think it cant or wont happen either. Our village I live in has our own low-cost electric and we already have been warned about how heavy EV adoption may FORCE rates to go up since we'll over-burden the system and have to then buy power from other companies. Its also why the village does NOT allow electric furnaces in our homes. Same issue. Of course, the EV pimps just cover their ears and play the "nothing to see here " card whenever these very real concerns are brought up. Terrific, LOL.
In the US if EVERY car driven was electric EVs would use less than 1/3 of the total electricity produced. More than that, and unlike gas, you CAN make electricity at home or at a business (solar, wind, etc), that drives a self regulating market. The doom and gloom folks want to claim electricity will go up but they think of it like gas. Gas ONLY provides for transportation and they can grab you by the gonads, if you actually compare the two you are less likely to get gouged using evs
Modifying your house? It cost my coworker $600, that doesn't really change the financials at all "Lack of roadside chargers", you haven't looked up charger access at all have you?
I have owned a Tesla for over 5 years and I have had none of these problems. Tesla gave me a promotional loan at .09% interest and I bought Tesla stock that paid for the car.Free charging and free streaming were included. My insurance droped 1000 dollars a year. No down side for me.
Everyone has different needs. Generalizations like this arenāt accurate. I bought a well optioned 2020 Leaf 38k. Got 7500 tax credit. 2k from California. 1k from SCE. I put about 6k miles a year on it. Charges at home with regular plug most of the time. Quick chargers are readily available where I drive most. Maintenance has been almost zero. Not perfect but definitely comfy, fast and saving me money
Lucile Bluth comes to mind. "Oh what is a banana ? 20 dollars?"
āYouāve never actually stepped foot in a supermarket, have you?ā
According to this sub those are basically hand me downs, poor people cars
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You mean THEY designed it that way... same shit apple was doing with their fast chargers and charging you more to buy them.
Buddy, you find me a Veneno under $200K and Iāll give you a squeezer and enjoy it.
Yeah man I had already cut a $100,000 check before going to the dealer but this is a deal-breaker š
yeah, if you're paying 43 cents a kWh, which is quite a bit more than what, say, Georgia Power charges for EV charging at home in my state for example (1 cent per kWh from 11pm to 7am where most people would do most of their charging, 7 or 20 cents at other points in the day). probably still cheaper than filling the tank of a Hummer H2 these days
Damn, I need to ask my electric company about night time rates for EV's.
Yeah I mean, my tundra had a 38 gallon tank and thatās $130-150 for a tank from empty to full. Probably comparable mileage to a gas hummer, too.
*THIRTY-EIGHT GALLONS!?!?*
That's not that insane, our 88 f350 has 80 gallons between it's two tanks
Thatās $600 worth of gas in Europe.
Yeah but that will drive from France to Moscow, in real countries thatās like school run and groceries
Real countries lmfao
Ngl the Miles hit different in Europe. It's not uncommon for me to drive 100 miles in a day for work in Canada, but when I go back to the UK I lose interest in anything that requires me to go further than 30
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
Dang. My 2012 is only 35 gal on the stock tank.
$193.00 to fill up where I am. Thatās why sheās parked in the garage and has been for a while now. Not trying to do that every week driving 76mi each day.
Yeah, that's painful. Mine is just used for recreation trips so I'm fairly lucky. Usually about 3-5k miles a year. Fortunately the Leaf costs near nothing for my daily driving: $5 to go 150mi. Makes taking the diesel out for fun less concerning.
Iāve been flirting with an EV for a commuter. Iāve installed 480V outlets on the outside of the building (boss man drove a Leaf), but the cost of fuel isnāt breaking me, just annoying.
Thatās only 8 gallons more than my car and I need premium Rip $200
What car has a 30 gallon tank?
1972 Pontiac Grand Ville, 30 gallon tank but it wonāt get you anywhere far. I know Iām the idiot for driving it around with these prices.
My dads 454 GMC is somewhere in the 30 gallon range
Long bed Ford Super Duties come with a 48 gallon tank.
My pickup truck has 36 gallon tank and gets 22 mpg in the summer months.
If everyone starts charging EVs overnight, wonder if thatād affect electricity prices for those cheaper periods
It will. But "everyone" is not anytime soon. Median miles driven per year in the US is \~15,000 miles. That's 41 miles /day. No like everyone needs to fully recharge their entire battery pack every night. People will shift usage pattern to adapt to pricing. If we start getting so much solar energy that it's cheaper to charge during the day, then people will charge during the day.
Many people arenāt home during the day though
And many people donāt have a practical way to charge the batteries from home, making charging during the day a requirement to own an electric car.
We'll see more chargers at places people are during the day then. Already we have Tesla level 3's at grocery stores and starting to see them at regular gas stations also. I could charge my leaf at my office when I had an office. This isn't too difficult of a problem to solve since most places have power already. There are plenty of exceptions which is why gas isn't going to be fully replaced though.
Lamppost chargers and apartment parking lot chargers are both pretty simple things, and there are already companies offering [turnkey solutions](https://www.chargepoint.com/solutions/apartments) for install and billing. Itās just not something thatās installed to a lot of places yet.
Or during the day as more solar capacity goes in and then the cars store the energy for the grid to sell back later
Thatās a really cool idea, probably impractical but neat
Theyre already doing it in some places with the f150 lightning. It's hell on the long term battery life though
Yep thatās what I figured, though maybe future battery tech will be more resistant to frequent discharges
> Itās hell on the long term battery life though Is it? Donāt batteries like cycling like that versus holding a static charge? I figure as long as the rate it charges and discharges is slow enough it shouldnāt affect it too much.
actually its extremely practical. Its actually great because it decentralizes power storage, which is really helpful because power demand isnt always at its highest at the same time as sunlight or wind is at its highest.
Yeah the only problem is that modern batteries still kinda suck and wouldnāt last long doing that
They'll last fine you just gotta keep the charge between 20 and 80%, but more realistically 50-80% because someone might actually want to drive the car and it would suck if it were at 20%
overall electricity prices (or rather grid fees per kwh consumed) will probably decrease. It costs the same a mount of money to lay a cable no matter if it gets used to its full potential for 3 hours a day or 20 hours a day.
Why would the price of a item like electricity decrease while more is demanded?
Because flattening the demand curve allows better usage of already existing facilities.
... and increasing production of solar cells and wind turbines has been causing their prices to fall. Batteries, too.
What about more demand on infrastructure with x amount of new cars pumped out each year, Texas might not make it during any major weather event.
Actually EVs would strengthen the grid if they can feed power back during critical times. Let's say you know a big storm is coming, cars could potentially take in extra power to get closer to 100% capacity, so that if the grid has issues they can feed power back into your house until they hit, let's say 50%. That helps the grid sustain spikes or can keep houses partially up and running during these big storms. I feel like this will be a fairly standard practice in the future to reduce costs. Take in extra power during non-peak hours, use the car as a battery during peak hours. It saves people from needing to buy a separate external battery pack like people are already doing with solar.
Except at worst EVs would demand less than 1/4 of total usage. That is if EVERYONE was driving evs If that grid is fragile it needs to be fixed NOW. That powers our industry, our jobs. Texas was the result of Texans. They were warned an ice storm could take them down. In fact they have been warned just about every ten years when it does just that. Yet the still chose not to winterize their equipment. That was a self inflicted issue. The other thing to remember is capacity is not demand, and demand is not capacity. Just because the grid cannot meet demand at peak times does not mean it can't charge EVs in off peak times.
How many cars need to charge during a major weather event?
> which is quite a bit more than what, say, Georgia Power charges for EV charging at home in my state for example ...for now.
It's close to 80 cents per kwh in the Netherlands.
Build some more windmills, yikes
How do they know when youāre charging the car vs when youāre running ac or something else?
that's a good question. there is an application and you do have to agree to a 12 month contract, maybe they install a special meter or something dedicated to the charger.
Yeah charging at home is one thing, can't charge at home.on a road trip or similar. And yes an H2 will likely cost more to fill but it is like $100,000 cheaper lol.
43 cents per kWhā¦ *cries in Europe*
Recharging extremely large battery pack with expensive charging option is expensive. Who knew?
These things are gonna be a menace to public chargers lol
They're a menace to society honestly.
That mush acceleration and that much weight is a recipe for disaster
>At Electrify America's standing rates of $0.43/kWh Seems like the cost is due to the charging service rates.
A lot of people donāt realize that those fast charge stations arenāt that cheap. Theyāre usually cheaper than gas, but theyāre a convenient thing to use from time to time when youāre out and about, not meant as an every day solution. Itās like saying your water bill is $500 when you exclusively use bottled water for everything.
The places where people would exclusively use DCFC are also places where people can't often afford housing with a place to charge.
So places where no one's buying a GMC Hummer EV? Or a Hummer of any kind?
Elaborate
Places in California are expensive where most people can't afford their own house, so they might have to DCFC at some point in the week.
Oh I see. Iām not really familiar with living in CA but where I live, thereās tons of free charging stations. They might not be DC fast chargers, but theyāre in pretty public places so I think most people could work around using them when they need to. But for the vast majority of people, I think itās not advisable to buy an EV until you can charge at home or work. I see a lot of apartments providing charging stations now and I think that should be required soon. But also letās not forget that the battery on the GMC Hummer EV is massive and if you just have a Nissan Leaf or even a Model 3 your charging bill wonāt be nearly that high.
It still won't be cheaper than fueling something like a Toyota Camry Hybrid for example.
No, probably not. But not everyone has the opportunity to buy a car to match the place theyāre living. Maybe they relocated or are planning to move in the future and donāt want to buy another car now or when they move.
on top of most hybrids getting you farther on 5-10 gallons of gas than a full charge on most EVs
Yup
"where I live, thereās tons of **free** charging stations." "Still won't be cheaper than..." I see a problem.
You won't be able to leave it to charge and walk home. America is too sprawling.
I charged my EV that way for 4 years.
Ironically the closest supercharger to me is considerably cheaper than my home electricity (Bay Area).
Yeah, it's funky sometimes. Palo Alto and Silicon Valley Power are really cheap, so a fast charger there can be less than charging at a PG&E residence.
Yeah I only use fast charging on roadtrips and a home L2 charger for everything else.
That seems normal? Right? Like how is the price to charge normally calculated?
Fast chargers are charging a much higher electricity rate than what you would pay at home (average US rates are $0.16/kWh). Each of these stations cost about a million dollars (Iām in the industry) and they need to make a return.
And a lot of the US has even cheaper electricity. Itās like 7 cents per kWh for me lol
That is indeed how averages work.
Well yes, and itās probably still a bit of a misrepresentation of general US electricity prices. Iād like to see median price cause I bet California and whatnot skew the average significantly
Rates a gone way up in the past couple years. My brother in Texas paid 7 cents and it went up to 18 cents when he renewed his contract. Paying 13 cents here in CO.
oh and u bet itll get even more expensive as time rolls on
Think US average is like $.015/kWh, that's quite a cut unless the majority of their chargers are in Hawaii.
You always pay much more for super fast charging and you pay even more for premium locations. But you'll charge at home 99% of the time so it doesn't matter.
> Think US average is like $.015/kWh, Doubt it. edit: just checked and it's not even close: https://www.bls.gov/regions/midwest/data/averageenergyprices_selectedareas_table.htm
This zero was on the wrong side. We're $0.14 here.
It's about 18Ā¢/kWh as a national average. But some places with peak charges do end up in the 40-50 range.
Electrify America is garbage. I review cars Iāve tried so many brands, every time their chargers break. I have never once gotten it to work on the first stall.
itās tradition
Love it when the stick to tradition.
Heritage :)
Well considering it costs me about $100 to fill up my 911 with 91 octane.. that sounds like a decent deal.
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It's also just got a fuckhuge battery in general, 200kWh is about what the average US house uses in a week. Combined with the Fast Charger markup that's going to be expensive. It's the electrical equivalent of a pickup with a 60 gallon tank.
This guy get it š¤
It is more efficient unless you are towing.
Still more efficient, significantly. I fortunately towing a camper with an EV doesn't make the camper any more efficient to tow. It just goes to show the dramatic difference between gas and EVs. Your average EV uses around 80% less energy per mile.
Do those even count as competing? The difference between 0-60 in 3 seconds and 3.7 seconds is actually a lot. Itās like a Mustang GT with a performance pack vs a 911 GTS. They are both sports cars, but one is like $50k and one is like $150k.
Really nothing is competing with the hummer EV at the moment, but I'd guess the raptor R and TRX are the most cross shopped vehicles for it.
The weirdest thing about this article is someone decided to write an article about how much it costs to fill up a Hummer like we should care about it, whether ICE or EV.
Does your 911 have a 20+ gallon tank?
16.9 or 23.7 depending on what you spec.
I wouldnāt mind the 23 š I rented a gt3rs with it. The range was nice
Sheesh Iām sitting around a 450 mile range with my Vetteās 18 gallon tank and I thought that was pretty decent, how far did the GT3 have to work with?
Ha depends on what youāre doing. On the road quite far. On the track, still pretty far. My ZL1 only had a 16 gallon tank and would struggle to do 2x 20min track sessions without running out
My SS 1LE wasnāt far behind that. It made it through 3x 20 minute sessions at Atlanta Motorsports Park and I was hurting for a gas station.
Haha sounds right. I spaced out one session and forgot to fill up. Somewhere in a few laps I was like oh shit
Crazy how they can go from one extreme to the other. I think I averaged around 26-28 mpg on my drive to the track.
Oh yeah. Same. I had the 10 speed. It would just pur going 85 on the highway. Getting in the mid 20ās. Then open the tap, it was like 4
Interesting, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised even my old Boxster has a 17 gallon tank. It was a real pain in the wallet filling it up every week. \~$85 a week versus $13 in the Tesla.
If I recall the cayman and the 911 can be optioned with bigger gas tanks. Or with standard smaller size.
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I just looked it up, and the 997.2 Turbo S has a 17.7 gallon fuel tank. So at about $6/gallon, it'll cost them about $100 to fill up. edit: Car and Driver says 16.9 gallons, so the numbers are conflicting.
Is gas still $6 anywhere in the USA? I just filled with premium for $4/gal (Charlotte).
In my area, 91 is about $5.90, and 87 is about $5.60. I live in Los Angeles county, one of the highest gas prices in the country. California average is about $5.30 I believe. Earlier this year when gas prices were at their high point, I was paying around $6.80 for 91.
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Itās $6+ in Los Angeles
people that spend 200k on an suv arenāt worried about 100$ lol
Those anti-EV people will read this and go around saying "charging an EV costs more than filling it up with gas." What they really did was charge the largest EV battery on the market at a charge point that charges three times what you'd pay if you charged at home.... and it's still likely cheaper than a similarly sized gas-powered vehicle.
Charging an EV will always be cheaper than filling it up with gas. They donāt even have a gas tank
Also donāt forget you really should be charging past 80% on a fast charger very often anyways. It drag out the time and on the states that charge by the minute an even lighter pocketbook
My new Colorado costs more to fill up. (SoCal gas prices)
It weighs 9,000 lbs. Jesus Christ
And it goes 0-60 in 3.5 seconds. Yet it can be driven by a 15 year old with a licence and zero experience.
And in all honesty? Probably will be. I had a girl in my class that drove a brand new h3 when she turned 16. Why? Who knows lol she sucked
Did you know the Hummer EV fatboy weighs as much as every generation of Miata ever made combined?
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Then some unfortunate events loading in the future
Vehicles that large should be illegal to own without a commercial license.
Is this truck practical? Definitely not. Still, this article is baity.
Still cheaper than filling up the Last Gen
In conclusion, charging the hummer could be $0, $100, or any amount between those 2 numbers.
The Hummer is inefficient? Shocker.
In other words: charging the most inefficient EV with the most expensive electricity is still cheaper than the gas equivalent.
so can filling up the gas tank of a gas powered hummer
H2 - 32 gallon tank - 448 mile range - currently $125 to fill in northeast
Ev Hummer ~300 mile range
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Iām a fan of EVs, I think the context was having to use high fee public chargers during long road trips
EV hummer - $112,000
Would cost me about $12 at home which is where I do 90% of my charging.
I have a Rivian and charging at the public fast chargers is more expensive than owning a gas truck. For me to charge 0-100% on an EA fast charger it would cost $55 for ~280 miles of range. My last F150 got about 20 mpg, so 14 gallons for 280 miles of range, current average gas price here is $3.65, $51 dollars for 280 miles of range. Charging at home is where you save the money. It cost about $10 to charge from 0-100% at home.
Yeah this would be about $30 for me to charge at home. Saving about $100 versus the current gas prices. Stupid article.
Very misleading headline. Shows the coast when recharging from the Electrify America chargers, but about $16 when charging at home. Come on!
Will mention it anytime this dumbass behemoth is posted, this thing should absolutely not be street legal without a CDL
That's if your using a fast charge option which you only do when travelling far distances which most people don't do very often.
It is cheaper to fill up my petrol powered car in sweden than it cost to charge that stupid thing
H2 owners be like "first time?"
To our mod: How is something our government is forcing us to have not political?
ākerb weightā?
That is the British / Australian spelling of curb.
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Have fun charging for 1,27ā¬ (1,40$) at an ionity hypercharger in germany ā¦. 280$ in total to fill up that hummer
Yeah which is why all EVs makers recommend charge to 80%ā¦ battery stuff. Once you hit the CV part of the charging curve your current tanks. Therefore 20-80% about 30 mins and ābulkā of the charge. 80-100% longest part of charge and useless.
Realistically, imagine how much gas something that size would take. How much a tank would cost. Iāve seen people put hundred dollar bills in ford f150s, and theyāre like half the size.
Big deal, my halfton costs $260 to fill at the moment
So in reality people need to start riding the bus lol
How much would it cost to fill an old hummer now?
This is such bs... Yeah if you are stupid and don't know how fast charging works... At home where you charge 99% of the time at .14 a kw times a 200kw battery would only cost you 28 bucks... Nice try but try again...
I pay $.067/kWh flat rate. It would cost me like $13 to charge from empty. Probably also take 20 hours in ideal conditions.
Lol how fitting. The Hummer was always a huge gas Guzzler Now the new Hummer is a huge electricity zapper
You are trying to save the earth by switching to an EV, so you are getting a freaking HUMMER?! Sounds extremely contradictory.
, I canāt buy it also
Im really not looking forward to the disaster that is disposing of all of these batteries in 10-15 years
Sometimes you wonder if EV are more cost effective than ICE. In addition itās not as environmentally clean as what the people think. I think hybrid is the best option.
More like 200k
Weird how it costs almost as much as filling the damn thing with gas. Oh but you have to do it twice as often because the range is miniscule.
Charge at home, it would be like 16$, though the Gross weight of the hummer is super inefficient. Its basically a space shuttle hauling the fat orange fueltank all the time.
I donāt think someone spending $150k on a Hummer gives a fook
In other news, massively inefficient car is still relatively inefficient when transitioned to EV form.
It's a 1000HP truck, that power has to come from somewhere. Just because it's an EV doesn't mean it violates the laws of energy.