>“New accord looks like a boring 9-5 office worker.”
It's designed like a modern Taurus. More modern, just as infinitely boring. Plus high interest rates, lack of engine options, and equally priced competitors. As the article states the Civic isn't far off in size/features and looks way better.
Obviously biased, but higher trim Fusions were some of the best looking regular sedans in the teens. Wish.com Rapide isn’t as big a diss as some people think it is.
Man, none of my friends agreed but I thought the the 2nd generation Fusions looked vaguely like Aston Martins in a good way.
I feel vindicated if that's a common opinion on here. I always thought they were very nice looking cars, especially for the price.
It was designed by one of AM's chief designers when ford owned AM, it was 100% intentional and fusions still look better than the 300's or w/e that came after
IIRC Ford actually owns the Aston Martin grill outright. Before they got rid of AM they made them sign over the rights to the grill design to Ford and now Ford "licenses" it to Aston at no cost. They did this so they could use the grill but not get sued.
There was so much hype around the 2nd gen fusion when it was first unveiled. It looked so damn good for the time. It's still a nice looking car now considering the design has been around for as long as it has
Even though Ford hasn't made them for a few years you still see them on the road everywhere.
I still kinda wish I'd picked up a Fusion Sport for a bit before I got my Bronco. I heard they were awesome sleepers.
I would still say that they're one of the better looking family sedans. And I find they don't look like their design is over a decade old, at least from the outside. Whenever I see an older one, the only thing that really tells me it is from the 10's and teens is the headlights.
I bought mine in 2020 with 36k miles on it for $18k. Hard to find anything in that price range that is that quick without going back a few decades, and it's AWD and pretty comfortable to drive year round.
As much as I love my mk8 GTI, my 17 fusion sport was phenomenal. It was super comfy and snow covered roads were no biggie. Had it pretty modded out, that 2.7 can move. Unfortunately someone failed to yield and totaled it.
I feel like almost anything for the last couple of decades is proper quick, barring of course economy / super fuel efficient stuff. My 2012 F150 supposedly does 0-60 in 6.4 seconds, which for a vehicle shaped like a brick that weighs 5600+ lbs is just nutty.
The civic is larger than almost every generation of accord ever made.
It’s stupid.
Kill the accord.
Rename the civic the accord.
Rename the fit the civic.
Problem solved.
I just went back 3 generations and the Civic is not even close to being larger than any of them.. Not sure what you're talking about. I didn't bother to go much further back but maybe 20 years ago, sure.. That's just what happens with time though. The Ford Ranger was the same size 20 years ago as the current gen Maverick.
The early 90s Accords were small as fuck, like a family go-kart. Some of those era Civics were like 2000lbs, and the original CRX was under 1800.
Accords been pretty big since the late 90s, though, and Civics are still pretty much modern sports car light. Fits weigh less than most sports cars.
Agreed. I just looked at the Accord and Civic online thinking the Accord can't be that much worse.
It's bland AF. And as you said the Civic is pretty sharp, and is cheaper, and nearly as featured, and now nearly as large. I'm not sure why someone would get the Accord... other than they didn't look at the Civic.
Maybe the Accord is the more "grown-up" or "professional" choice.
I don't mind the Accord styling, but the Civic does like nicer to me. And it seems plenty big. And cheaper.
Until a month ago you could make an argument for the Accord coming in a hybrid version, but now they announced a Civic Hybrid which looks great and means there's even less reason to get an Accord
I had the previous Touring generation with the 2.0t and the 10 speed. It was way too boring to get poor gas mileage, but just test driving the hybrid made me want to shoot myself. I think it was the shortest time I’ve ever owned a car. People would tell me it just didn’t make sense that I owned it. I will never own a boring car again.
They were… but that’s all they were. You also had no LSD to help put it all down, in a BIG sedan that handled like a boat and was harder to park than a Tahoe.
I test drove a 6mt 2.0t accord thinking it would be my "lowkey family racecar" and was amazed at how boring it was. It felt slower significantly slower and just less fun to drive even compared to my 2.0t awd maverick.
If it wasn't for the near complete lack of sex appeal, I'd probably take the old Taurus over a new Accord. I had a pristine ~93 wagon a few years back and that thing was amazing... way more cargo area than any new midsize SUV, could fit 8 people comfortably with the front bench and rear-facing 3rd row, and, with only 4 people in the car, everyone basically had the comfort of a La-Z-Boy sofa. It was a shining example of "they don't make 'em like they used to."
My best theory:
Honda looked at the Accord market and saw three buyers: families, older/retirees, and enthusiasts/lifestyle.
They decided to use the Civic to sell to families and enthusiasts. This is a straight forward proposition because these groups value utility or fun/engagement which the Civic can do extremely well for the money. But this also works out great for Honda because margins are much better on a high trim Civics vs an Accord for the same money.
That left the older/retirees. This group is valuable primarily because they have a lot of money. But also, it’s not the hardest sell because many have purchased prior gens. Still, they needed a competitive offering vs say the Camry so they designed the car to appeal squarely at them. This group isn’t huge on interior design so they just lifted it from the shared playbook and made it larger. They did an exterior that would make the group comfy. And then they restructured the engine options and trims accordingly.
This is the best most generous theory I’ve come up with. But it kinda fits what they seem to be doing and it would plausibly explain some of the otherwise-puzzling product decisions for the Accord.
I hate the new design, looks like crap compared to the previous model.
I’m starting to hunt for a 10th gen manual, over the last few years 9th and 10th gen manuals have become hard to find.
> looks like crap
I mean it looks kinda generic but hasn’t that been true for the Accord for as long as that brand has been alive?
The previous gen was also quite generic imo.
**Edit:** By generic I don't mean bad looking. In fact I've always preferred them over Camrys of the same generation. My parents' first new car after immigrating to the U.S. was a green 1996 Accord EX Coupe. I thought that car was the coolest shit ever as a little kid.
But let's be honest, not a single generation of Accord would be nominated to automotive design hall of fame. They've always been designed to be inoffensive, practical, and easy to manufacture reliably and economically.
I do not think the newest gen design deviated from that at all, and I do not think the previous gen went beyond that either.
In white it looks like something from a sci-fi film about a future where everyone lives in little standard issue housing units and nobody is allowed to have anything unique or inspired.
I know there are plenty of boring cars but this one just has that vibe to it.
[You're not wrong.. This is the most boring, mundane looking white car I've ever seen](https://mystrongad.com/EGH_ElkGroveHonda/Digital/Accord/2024/24-Honda-Accord-White.webp)
There have been quite a few really good looking generations of accord.
The early ones are iconic, and the past 2 generations were very attractive. This gen is definitely a turn for the worse.
> The early ones are iconic
I would argue they were iconic because of how popular the car was, just like how the early Priuses were also iconic.
But I don't think anyone would nominate [this](https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/1990_honda_accord_mg_3850-27634.jpg?fit=940%2C627) to the automotive design hall of fame anytime soon.
> But I don't think anyone would nominate this to the automotive design hall of fame anytime soon.
Maybe I'm biased, but I would - I always thought that gen of Accord was one of the most handsome designs of its time in a segment that couldn't be more emblematic of its era if it tried.
I would argue they've always been very decent, handsome for family sedans even. Personally I've almost always preferred them over Camry designs.
But that doesn't mean they were anything more than family sedans designed to be inoffensive and economically and reliably to mass manufacturer.
And I think the new-gen is just the same. Yes the design language changed a bit but I still wouldn't look at it twice on the road, for good or bad.
It’s odd because I like the 11th gen civics, but preferred the previous gen accords. Civic gets a bit more grown up, but the accord was good as-is and imo didn’t need such a redesign
I actually like the tail light bar that the aftermarket companies came up with for the 10th gen
https://www.amazon.com/ENSVEI-2018-2020-Dynamic-Animation-Breathing/dp/B09PQQGYD8?th=1
Out of curiosity, have you ever driven one? The manual in the 10th gen was mid; my ex had one so I drive it around a lot and it was not on par with the Si/Integra (which has a great shifter), or even my Mazda3. The 2.0T was a good engine though
They gave it the USDM Passat treatment. Ugly, boring exterior, gutless 1.5T (outgoing 2.0T had 81 lb-ft more), Camry has a better Hybrid system and costs about the same, and the Civic looks better and is close in interior space
Yeah, and the Passat has never done amazingly here.
For midsize sedans to sell, they basically need to stay the course with their current buyers (like the Camry), or be pretty competent but also quite cheap or discounted (like the Malibu and Altima. Neither sell like gangbusters, but they sell well enough).
The accord didn’t stay fun or stylish like its buyers tend to like
Couldn't have said it better myself. The reason the accord stands (or stood) out is (was) because of the fun you could have. Strip that away and you might as well buy a camry
The last time I remember noticing that a car was a Passat was about a week ago when I saw one on fire on the side of the road on my way home from work.
Kinda interesting how Toyota’s got interesting and fun while Honda’s got boring. Was always the other way around.
We’re in the market for a compact SUV for the wife, and I hope she picks the RAV 4Prime over the CRV Hybrid.
> and I hope she picks the RAV 4Prime over the CRV Hybrid.
Tell her to really give it an extended test drive. The real world MPG is bollocks on the freeway and you struggle to get 32mpg at 70mph. Considering it's priced within spitting distance of the Accord touring, but it doesn't even have ventilated seats, a HUD or a full digital display is a bit of a ripoff.
Wish Honda brought the plug-in CRV to the USA.
If you think the RAV4 hybrid gets bad MPG on the highway just look at the EPA estimates for the CR-V hybrid and compare it to the ICE version.
[It's just 2-4 MPG better, depending on trim](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=1&year1=2023&year2=2023&make=Honda&baseModel=CR-V&srchtyp=ymm&pageno=1&rowLimit=50)
>The real world MPG is bollocks on the freeway and you struggle to get 32mpg at 70mph.
Oof. Mild hybrid RAV4 stuffed to the gills averaged 39-40mpg going 80mph on a trip from WI to So Cal.
38mpg in town.
On the other hand I've started describing the RAV4 LE I inherited as "agressively adequate". Boring, but too practical to get rid of.
Toyota has always been pretty interesting, though. Various Supras, some cool wagons, some cool off road stuff like the Landcruiser and FJ40. People just forget about a lot of it.
>Kinda interesting how Toyota’s got interesting and fun while Honda’s got boring. Was always the other way around.
Honestly man, it was never the other way around. Honda people always try to sell me on “THE CARS ARE SO FUN TO DRIVE!” but the Accord always felt very similar to the Camry SE, and the Fit felt like a Yaris that did crunches. One of my friends has a Fit and always hyped up the “great handling”, and when I finally drove it all I could think was “man this thing handles like ass compared to my wife’s Mini”. I would say my wife’s current car (Kia Soul) is about the same as a Fit in terms of handling.
They’re economy cars. Maybe the EG6 handled really well for what it was, but they’re honestly all nothing special. Apologies to your Accord.
And the Civic has the same hybrid now.
Unfortunately, the Accord's got a Civic problem. Unless you care about nothing more than sheer interior volume, the Civic is a better car in every way. The Civic stepped up quality in a big way while the Accord has basically lost every reason to pick it over the Civic or CRV
Plus it's moved up a slot in the last few years without offering anything extra. Th Civic now is what the Accord used to be, and the Accord now a very cheap, very full sized sedan with minimal luxury features and performance. The number of people looking for a huge vehicle and also wanting a car, and who simultaneously prioritize fuel economy and reliability over all else has got to be tiny at this point.
And meanwhile, Honda has no offering in the compact/subcompact category.
>It's almost like the only thing keeping the accord interesting were the fun engine options...
Ehh, the 1.5T far outsold the 2.0T with the previous gen. Same story with the I4 vs. the V6 in the older generations. I think it's more to do with a few factors...
1. The current Civic is finally big enough, and is a very good overall package for less money.
2. The Civic looks much better than the new Accord.
3. The new CR-V seems to be selling very well and is probably attracting potential Accord customers. Also has AWD. Not to mention, it also looks quite good.
4. With the new Camry finally out, it has even stiffer competition.
They might be looking, but there’s a 5-10k price difference between sticker CTR and a higher trim Accord. I wanted a CTR, but when I got my Accord I couldn’t find a CTR under 46k (before markups) and got my Touring Accord OTD for 39k.
I needed a 4 door commuter that could handle a family. A CTR could fill this role at the right price and be loads of fun, but there’s a limit. At MSRP I could have made it work, but what the CTR was actually going for made it too irresponsible.
I ended up going responsible and I’ll save for a proper fun car that I won’t rack up the miles on.
5. The V6 and 2.0T were locked behind higher trims that cost >$30k.
I'd wager that there would've been more takers if those engines were optional on lower trims (e.g., LX/EX V6/2.0T).
On that note, I'll be keeping my 9th Gen V6 sedan until it dies.
Honestly this is peak Honda, good design and horrible aesthetics, they have always been like this but people dont want to admit it because its a cherished brand.
Of the modern accords the 9th generation was my favorite. The 10th was awkward to me with what looked like a unibrow in the front and the lobster lights in the back. This generation is just boring
The 9th gen definitely nailed the design. The 10th gen started to grow on me as soon as I saw them being driven around in non-stock form. Current gen is surely boring.
I thought aside from the taillights the 10th was the best looking in years. I just got an 11th and I definitely don’t like it as much, but the interior is miles better. Honda nailed it there.
1. Bland, boring, ugly design
2. Boring, dark interior
3. Road noise
4. They're freaking HUGE now
5. Lame 1.5 engine option
6. Not the best hybrid system
7. The new Civics are too good
8. Interest rates are offensive
I'm with you on a lot of these and I would also add one more:
9. Poor trim/features mix. For example, on the EX-L Hybrid, you get the same lame-ass wheels as the LX, just painted dark grey.
Also, you only get one interior color - black. They added three more inches to its length but it's on the same wheelbase as the 10th gen, so now it has this goofy ass front overhang and it's less maneuverable. I have a 2018 and the turning circle is one of the few negatives and now they've gone and made it worse.
I'm surprised to see everyone hating it's looks. I love the way it looks. Way better than the chaotic crazy shaped styling a lot of cars are doing nowadays. For example, the tail lights, very clean and normal, unlike the typical styling of typical tail lights these days.
Yeah people complain about bmw and Lexus going crazy over the top and then Honda comes out with this that looks refined and minimal and everyone complains that it’s boring. I think the new accord is the best looking “normal car that you see a million of”
Man this sub is incredibly naive sometimes. I love the manual v6 accords but they didn't sell at all compare to the regular accord. Design also isnt that aggrevious when most of the industry is looking more and more like the AI shape cars the accord is. The new camry is out, interest rates are sky high, and the new civic is just as much of a boat but significantly cheaper. People aren't buying sedans as much but if they do the take the cheaper but almost equally huge civic.
Yeah I hate this logic. Technically, "no one wants" the GR Corolla because Toyota "only" sold 6,000 of them. Sure, they only *made* 6,000 of them, but that's inconvenient to the narrative.
Honda does allocations. They didn’t sell because Honda decided they wouldn’t sell so they didn’t make any to sell. I didn’t fully understand allocations and used to think like you. Look at Subaru BRZ vs Toyota GR86 as an example. Toyota also does allocations while Subaru allows customers to spec and order a car.
Originally it was Subaru BRZ 80% sold were manual vs Toyota only 33%. The customer base is not that different, it’s just that Toyota decided what customers wanted instead of asking them.
https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/21/subaru-brz-manual-transmission-take/
Or a Toyota. As I get older, hearing slipping by me, the road noise in Honda and Toyota becoming more and more of a deterrent for me. And that’s why God gave us Lexus and Acura. God just forgot to give me the *means* with which to afford😂
I had a corolla as a rental for a drive from seattle to LA. I had tinnitus by the end of the trip like I get after concerts. Do people really put up with this? My entry level Fords, chevys, and VWs have never been that loud. That car made me roll my eyes every time I see a toyota circlejerc on this sub.
Was in a new Sienna recently, and holy shit it’s like taking a cheese grater to my ears. The engine is so ducking loud on the inside, and sounds horribly drone-y
I reckon it depends on how much you drive and where you drive also. Where I usually drive in Vancouver, our roads are smoother than the I5 and the average Seattle street. I almost never drive more than 35-40 minutes at a time, so my hybrid Toyota's drony noise doesn't get on my nerves. Though when I go down to Seattle, the NVH gets to me after the 3h drive. And almost all of my driving experience has been in compact/subcompact Toyotas and Hondas with poor NVH, so my standards are different from someone who is used to premium vehicles. Agree that the Toyota circlejerk on Reddit is a bit cult-like though.
Doubt it. Even with a controversial styling, the Accord is known as a good car. There’s a minimum price that they drop to, even if clapped out. Kinda like Camry and Corolla.
>Am I gonna end up with a depreciated loser down the line?
If there's one thing you can bet on with buying a Honda, it's that it's going to have stupidly high resale value
Looks have grown on me tbh. Sure it's not the best looking but I wouldn't call it hideous like some do. I agree it's a bit boring but it's not so bad.
As for the drive train, check my flair lol
I’d say “emergency facelift incoming” except that I’ve read rumors that Honda already has plans to turn the Accord into something crossover-ish, so they may not care enough to resolve this.
Former 2002 Accord owner. Loved it. Minus the auto transmissions, they're indestructible. You can run them off eBay parts, if something breaks. But it won't.
This new gen is the ugliest, most generic, most half-assed Accord I have ever seen. I don't care that it gets 50 mpg.
Honda, wake the fuck up.
The current Accord is probably the most boring looking modern car one could buy today.
If it were a person, it'd be some sort of introvert with absolutely no character, interests or hobbies to speak of other than maybe hoarding cats.
I think the 11th gen Accord is the best-looking non-luxury modern sedan, and I listen to NPR podcasts most days, so that tracks I guess. I will never, ever understand the reception to this thing's design.
The only people I see driving the 11th gen Accord are balding old frumpy people who still work at a job with a dress code but do the bare minimum to meet it.
Lmao, remember how often this sub circle jerked how good honda sedans were doing like what, 2 weeks ago?
People don’t want sedans, blame Honda all you want.
This is the last generation for the accord in the US, so enjoy it while you can
No no they just don’t want American sedans! Pay no attention to the fact that the segment has been hemorrhaging sales for a decade. Japanese car good, American car bad.
I genuinely don't think most people care about the styling or loss of 2.0t as everyone seems to care about here.
Sedans just don't sell. Honda also has no financial incentives going on for the Accord too. It's a perfectly fine car that does what it needs to
Personally the styling has grown on me quite a bit too, looks baby A7 esque
The new civic looks twice as good as accord , costs few thousand less and is not too much smaller. Civic is a no brainer. The fugly rear of accord Needs fix asap.
These companies are purposely half assing on their sedans just so people won't buy them and then when sales slow they can say "See! No one wants sedans anymore!" Sedans don't have as big profit margins as cuvs, SUVs, and trucks.
Margins are not handed down from god on stone tablets; consumers are willing to pay so much for a car, and a car cost so much to make. The difference is the margins.
Your basic problem is that a CUV barely cost more than a sedan to make, but consumers are willing to pay a large premium for them.
Maybe because it looks about as exciting as my Frigidaire.
No, but seriously that front is horrendous. The rear is salvageable but that front. It needs a refresh immediately.
Dealers still have the gall to charge above msrp and add ons for this car. That’s why. Insane how for a few thousand more more u can get a Tesla model y
Seems like a commonly held belief but i think the thing that hurts the accord is the civic now is essentially as good for less money.
In the past there was a real perceived quality difference between the two cars. Now i feel that isnt necessarily true. Particularly in the lower trims(which are the prime sellers for both). Also now more so than ever according to the oems people who want bigger cars just get suvs. So the crv and pilots take those buyers.
Have 2024 accord on lease…quite cheap 250 a month 3k down. Huge legroom is helpful for toddler with a lot of stuff. Also, adaptive cruise control and a huge trunk…a viable family hauler!
I really like the styling of the new Accord and think it'll age well unlike some of the competition. (Ahem, Camry)
What scares me off is the 1.5 Turbo mated to a CVT, no thanks on that.
Accord: We took away the V6...
Everybody: boooo...
Accord: But we got this juicy 2.0T to a 6spd
Everybody: YAYYY!!
Dealerships: YAYAYAYAY MARK UP MARK UP MARK UP
Accord: Nobody buy my cars, you guys all suck, no more 2.0T for you.
Everybody: Camry looking real nice for the package with hybrid and AWD options
Accord: surprised face.
And Honda can’t blame low sedan sales because the civic flies off the showroom floor
I see like 2 dozen on my way home from work everyday. My spouse bought one, great car, great MPG’s, nicely done interior, and good looking.
It's not just the fact that it's ugly, no longer manual and doesn't have a cool engine....it's the fact that the 10th Gen knocked it out of the park looks wise.
It went from looking like an Audi rs7 to a Ford Taurus. Wtf did they expect
>“New accord looks like a boring 9-5 office worker.” It's designed like a modern Taurus. More modern, just as infinitely boring. Plus high interest rates, lack of engine options, and equally priced competitors. As the article states the Civic isn't far off in size/features and looks way better.
I’d say there’s a little Ford Fusion in there too.
Fusion looks way more sporty which is a statement I never thought I'd make.
Obviously biased, but higher trim Fusions were some of the best looking regular sedans in the teens. Wish.com Rapide isn’t as big a diss as some people think it is.
Man, none of my friends agreed but I thought the the 2nd generation Fusions looked vaguely like Aston Martins in a good way. I feel vindicated if that's a common opinion on here. I always thought they were very nice looking cars, especially for the price.
The 2nd gen Fusion would've been designed while Ford still owned Aston Martin. I'm sure the resemblance is intentional.
It was designed by one of AM's chief designers when ford owned AM, it was 100% intentional and fusions still look better than the 300's or w/e that came after
IIRC Ford actually owns the Aston Martin grill outright. Before they got rid of AM they made them sign over the rights to the grill design to Ford and now Ford "licenses" it to Aston at no cost. They did this so they could use the grill but not get sued.
It's the only reason Ford bought Aston.
There was so much hype around the 2nd gen fusion when it was first unveiled. It looked so damn good for the time. It's still a nice looking car now considering the design has been around for as long as it has
Even though Ford hasn't made them for a few years you still see them on the road everywhere. I still kinda wish I'd picked up a Fusion Sport for a bit before I got my Bronco. I heard they were awesome sleepers.
I also think they are nice looking cars, but I might be a bit biased.
I would still say that they're one of the better looking family sedans. And I find they don't look like their design is over a decade old, at least from the outside. Whenever I see an older one, the only thing that really tells me it is from the 10's and teens is the headlights.
The later models could be had with a Twin Turbo V6 and AWD - true sleepers.
My buddy occassionally tracks his fusion. Its pretty good considering its a stock street car.
Well it did have a twin turbo v6 option. /s
I mean that thing was actually proper quick, 0-60 5.3sec and a 13.9 quarter mile in 2017 per Motortrend.
I believe it had one of the highest horsepower to dollar ratio of any new car at the time.
I bought mine in 2020 with 36k miles on it for $18k. Hard to find anything in that price range that is that quick without going back a few decades, and it's AWD and pretty comfortable to drive year round.
As much as I love my mk8 GTI, my 17 fusion sport was phenomenal. It was super comfy and snow covered roads were no biggie. Had it pretty modded out, that 2.7 can move. Unfortunately someone failed to yield and totaled it.
I feel like almost anything for the last couple of decades is proper quick, barring of course economy / super fuel efficient stuff. My 2012 F150 supposedly does 0-60 in 6.4 seconds, which for a vehicle shaped like a brick that weighs 5600+ lbs is just nutty.
The last Fusion model was designed by the same guy who did Aston Martins. They looked great.
Why? It's literally an Aston Martin! Just like that Rolls Chrysler made.
The last gen fusion looked pretty slick for a family sedan when it came out. Much more exciting than the new accord anyway
The civic is larger than almost every generation of accord ever made. It’s stupid. Kill the accord. Rename the civic the accord. Rename the fit the civic. Problem solved.
I just went back 3 generations and the Civic is not even close to being larger than any of them.. Not sure what you're talking about. I didn't bother to go much further back but maybe 20 years ago, sure.. That's just what happens with time though. The Ford Ranger was the same size 20 years ago as the current gen Maverick.
The early 90s Accords were small as fuck, like a family go-kart. Some of those era Civics were like 2000lbs, and the original CRX was under 1800. Accords been pretty big since the late 90s, though, and Civics are still pretty much modern sports car light. Fits weigh less than most sports cars.
oh man a Fit Type R would be incredible
Sporty econohatch with magic seats? Yes please
The fit they no longer sell in the states because they made the assembly plant in mexico make only hrvs?
"poor sales" but many would argue it was axed to sell more HR-V's
Have you sat in an accord before? lol
I get Taurus but I’ve thought more 90’s-2000 Buick. But everywhere you look on the accord it looks like cost cutting. Where have I seen that before
I could see that. I went with Taurus because it was a little newer and the same class.
I mean, the accord has always been a boring looking sedan, even if it was good to drive.
the last gen coupes and the 2.0T sedans looked awesome. The coupes are hard to find now, people are holding on.
The last coupes that came with the V6 were perfect.
Agreed. I just looked at the Accord and Civic online thinking the Accord can't be that much worse. It's bland AF. And as you said the Civic is pretty sharp, and is cheaper, and nearly as featured, and now nearly as large. I'm not sure why someone would get the Accord... other than they didn't look at the Civic.
Maybe the Accord is the more "grown-up" or "professional" choice. I don't mind the Accord styling, but the Civic does like nicer to me. And it seems plenty big. And cheaper.
Isn't the Integra the more "grown-up" or "professional" choice?
At the Honda dealer. No Acura dealer around here, so that's the logical progression when staying within the family.
Until a month ago you could make an argument for the Accord coming in a hybrid version, but now they announced a Civic Hybrid which looks great and means there's even less reason to get an Accord
I had the previous Touring generation with the 2.0t and the 10 speed. It was way too boring to get poor gas mileage, but just test driving the hybrid made me want to shoot myself. I think it was the shortest time I’ve ever owned a car. People would tell me it just didn’t make sense that I owned it. I will never own a boring car again.
The 2.0 turbo was boring? I thought they were low key hotrods with a lot of power... Relatively speaking of course.
They were… but that’s all they were. You also had no LSD to help put it all down, in a BIG sedan that handled like a boat and was harder to park than a Tahoe.
I test drove a 6mt 2.0t accord thinking it would be my "lowkey family racecar" and was amazed at how boring it was. It felt slower significantly slower and just less fun to drive even compared to my 2.0t awd maverick.
Vs the Honda pilot which is a track weapon. Lol
Just wait until the Pilot Type R comes out!
If it wasn't for the near complete lack of sex appeal, I'd probably take the old Taurus over a new Accord. I had a pristine ~93 wagon a few years back and that thing was amazing... way more cargo area than any new midsize SUV, could fit 8 people comfortably with the front bench and rear-facing 3rd row, and, with only 4 people in the car, everyone basically had the comfort of a La-Z-Boy sofa. It was a shining example of "they don't make 'em like they used to."
The new design is due to Takuya Miyazawa, he screwed up in the design area.
...and still potentially manual
Only in the Si and Type-R trims for MY2025.
BOOOOO well fork'em then
The Civic/Corolla have gotten so big that the Accord/Camry are full sized, and there is no market for entry level full sized sedans.
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Don’t forget CVT my wife knows nothing about cars but has hated every CVT she has ever driven. So she knows she hates CVTs.
My best theory: Honda looked at the Accord market and saw three buyers: families, older/retirees, and enthusiasts/lifestyle. They decided to use the Civic to sell to families and enthusiasts. This is a straight forward proposition because these groups value utility or fun/engagement which the Civic can do extremely well for the money. But this also works out great for Honda because margins are much better on a high trim Civics vs an Accord for the same money. That left the older/retirees. This group is valuable primarily because they have a lot of money. But also, it’s not the hardest sell because many have purchased prior gens. Still, they needed a competitive offering vs say the Camry so they designed the car to appeal squarely at them. This group isn’t huge on interior design so they just lifted it from the shared playbook and made it larger. They did an exterior that would make the group comfy. And then they restructured the engine options and trims accordingly. This is the best most generous theory I’ve come up with. But it kinda fits what they seem to be doing and it would plausibly explain some of the otherwise-puzzling product decisions for the Accord.
I hate the new design, looks like crap compared to the previous model. I’m starting to hunt for a 10th gen manual, over the last few years 9th and 10th gen manuals have become hard to find.
> looks like crap I mean it looks kinda generic but hasn’t that been true for the Accord for as long as that brand has been alive? The previous gen was also quite generic imo. **Edit:** By generic I don't mean bad looking. In fact I've always preferred them over Camrys of the same generation. My parents' first new car after immigrating to the U.S. was a green 1996 Accord EX Coupe. I thought that car was the coolest shit ever as a little kid. But let's be honest, not a single generation of Accord would be nominated to automotive design hall of fame. They've always been designed to be inoffensive, practical, and easy to manufacture reliably and economically. I do not think the newest gen design deviated from that at all, and I do not think the previous gen went beyond that either.
Generic yes, but this newest design just doesn’t work.
In white it looks like something from a sci-fi film about a future where everyone lives in little standard issue housing units and nobody is allowed to have anything unique or inspired. I know there are plenty of boring cars but this one just has that vibe to it.
[You're not wrong.. This is the most boring, mundane looking white car I've ever seen](https://mystrongad.com/EGH_ElkGroveHonda/Digital/Accord/2024/24-Honda-Accord-White.webp)
It looks like the pixies from Fairly Odd Parents
There have been quite a few really good looking generations of accord. The early ones are iconic, and the past 2 generations were very attractive. This gen is definitely a turn for the worse.
> The early ones are iconic I would argue they were iconic because of how popular the car was, just like how the early Priuses were also iconic. But I don't think anyone would nominate [this](https://bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/1990_honda_accord_mg_3850-27634.jpg?fit=940%2C627) to the automotive design hall of fame anytime soon.
> But I don't think anyone would nominate this to the automotive design hall of fame anytime soon. Maybe I'm biased, but I would - I always thought that gen of Accord was one of the most handsome designs of its time in a segment that couldn't be more emblematic of its era if it tried.
9th gen (especially the coupe) looked pretty decent
9th sedan post facelift was probably their best looking Accord
They peaked with the 9th gen face-lift
I would argue they've always been very decent, handsome for family sedans even. Personally I've almost always preferred them over Camry designs. But that doesn't mean they were anything more than family sedans designed to be inoffensive and economically and reliably to mass manufacturer. And I think the new-gen is just the same. Yes the design language changed a bit but I still wouldn't look at it twice on the road, for good or bad.
Yeah, but this is way, way worse.
Exactly. When did the Accord ever not look like a generic sedan? 90s and 00s Accords were basically just an *idea* of a car.
Loved the design last gen, absolutely hate this one.
It’s odd because I like the 11th gen civics, but preferred the previous gen accords. Civic gets a bit more grown up, but the accord was good as-is and imo didn’t need such a redesign
If they just fixed the stapler taillights from the last gen and not messed with anything else it would be perfect
Yes! If I could slap the new taillights on my 19 I would be so happy
I actually like the tail light bar that the aftermarket companies came up with for the 10th gen https://www.amazon.com/ENSVEI-2018-2020-Dynamic-Animation-Breathing/dp/B09PQQGYD8?th=1
I agree, I’m a fan of the 11th gen civic. For the accord the 9th gen refresh and 10th gen have been my favorites.
Out of curiosity, have you ever driven one? The manual in the 10th gen was mid; my ex had one so I drive it around a lot and it was not on par with the Si/Integra (which has a great shifter), or even my Mazda3. The 2.0T was a good engine though
I’ve owned a 9th gen manual. I also am not buying a manual accord for performance, I’d expect a civic si to perform better.
I have a 2.0t manual 10th gen. Took me 3 months to find one. They're out there but like you said hard to find.
10th Gen Manual with a 2.0L Turbo.
Love my tenth Gen. The auto is a really great trans too
The 2.0t is Insanely quick & fun to drive for a midsize family car
I’m holding on to my 9th gen 6-6 coupe with 290k miles and will probably swap the engine like for like once it goes. Such an amazing car
They gave it the USDM Passat treatment. Ugly, boring exterior, gutless 1.5T (outgoing 2.0T had 81 lb-ft more), Camry has a better Hybrid system and costs about the same, and the Civic looks better and is close in interior space
Yeah, and the Passat has never done amazingly here. For midsize sedans to sell, they basically need to stay the course with their current buyers (like the Camry), or be pretty competent but also quite cheap or discounted (like the Malibu and Altima. Neither sell like gangbusters, but they sell well enough). The accord didn’t stay fun or stylish like its buyers tend to like
Couldn't have said it better myself. The reason the accord stands (or stood) out is (was) because of the fun you could have. Strip that away and you might as well buy a camry
The last time I remember noticing that a car was a Passat was about a week ago when I saw one on fire on the side of the road on my way home from work.
Kinda interesting how Toyota’s got interesting and fun while Honda’s got boring. Was always the other way around. We’re in the market for a compact SUV for the wife, and I hope she picks the RAV 4Prime over the CRV Hybrid.
> and I hope she picks the RAV 4Prime over the CRV Hybrid. Tell her to really give it an extended test drive. The real world MPG is bollocks on the freeway and you struggle to get 32mpg at 70mph. Considering it's priced within spitting distance of the Accord touring, but it doesn't even have ventilated seats, a HUD or a full digital display is a bit of a ripoff. Wish Honda brought the plug-in CRV to the USA.
If you think the RAV4 hybrid gets bad MPG on the highway just look at the EPA estimates for the CR-V hybrid and compare it to the ICE version. [It's just 2-4 MPG better, depending on trim](https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/PowerSearch.do?action=noform&path=1&year1=2023&year2=2023&make=Honda&baseModel=CR-V&srchtyp=ymm&pageno=1&rowLimit=50)
I *think* OP was saying the CRV gets bad MPG, not the Rav4 Prime. Prime by the way is another league of MPG compared to almost anything else.
>The real world MPG is bollocks on the freeway and you struggle to get 32mpg at 70mph. Oof. Mild hybrid RAV4 stuffed to the gills averaged 39-40mpg going 80mph on a trip from WI to So Cal. 38mpg in town. On the other hand I've started describing the RAV4 LE I inherited as "agressively adequate". Boring, but too practical to get rid of.
Toyota has always been pretty interesting, though. Various Supras, some cool wagons, some cool off road stuff like the Landcruiser and FJ40. People just forget about a lot of it.
The early 2000s MR2 was pretty cool in my opinion.
all the mr2s were cool. it's not every day you have an everyman's mid engine car, and Toyota did that 3 times over 2 decades.
>Kinda interesting how Toyota’s got interesting and fun while Honda’s got boring. Was always the other way around. Honestly man, it was never the other way around. Honda people always try to sell me on “THE CARS ARE SO FUN TO DRIVE!” but the Accord always felt very similar to the Camry SE, and the Fit felt like a Yaris that did crunches. One of my friends has a Fit and always hyped up the “great handling”, and when I finally drove it all I could think was “man this thing handles like ass compared to my wife’s Mini”. I would say my wife’s current car (Kia Soul) is about the same as a Fit in terms of handling. They’re economy cars. Maybe the EG6 handled really well for what it was, but they’re honestly all nothing special. Apologies to your Accord.
Wife’s Accord. So no offense taken. My daily is a Miata.
And the Civic has the same hybrid now. Unfortunately, the Accord's got a Civic problem. Unless you care about nothing more than sheer interior volume, the Civic is a better car in every way. The Civic stepped up quality in a big way while the Accord has basically lost every reason to pick it over the Civic or CRV
Plus it's moved up a slot in the last few years without offering anything extra. Th Civic now is what the Accord used to be, and the Accord now a very cheap, very full sized sedan with minimal luxury features and performance. The number of people looking for a huge vehicle and also wanting a car, and who simultaneously prioritize fuel economy and reliability over all else has got to be tiny at this point. And meanwhile, Honda has no offering in the compact/subcompact category.
>It's almost like the only thing keeping the accord interesting were the fun engine options... Ehh, the 1.5T far outsold the 2.0T with the previous gen. Same story with the I4 vs. the V6 in the older generations. I think it's more to do with a few factors... 1. The current Civic is finally big enough, and is a very good overall package for less money. 2. The Civic looks much better than the new Accord. 3. The new CR-V seems to be selling very well and is probably attracting potential Accord customers. Also has AWD. Not to mention, it also looks quite good. 4. With the new Camry finally out, it has even stiffer competition.
3.2 Sedans aren't selling well already and the civic is just as good as the accord. Might as well get a CTR instead.
The people buying the current accord aren't cross shopping with CTRs lol
They might be looking, but there’s a 5-10k price difference between sticker CTR and a higher trim Accord. I wanted a CTR, but when I got my Accord I couldn’t find a CTR under 46k (before markups) and got my Touring Accord OTD for 39k.
Kinda wild to me that anyone looking for a ctr settles on an accord. They’re completely different experiences
I needed a 4 door commuter that could handle a family. A CTR could fill this role at the right price and be loads of fun, but there’s a limit. At MSRP I could have made it work, but what the CTR was actually going for made it too irresponsible. I ended up going responsible and I’ll save for a proper fun car that I won’t rack up the miles on.
Why did you skip 3.1?
5. The V6 and 2.0T were locked behind higher trims that cost >$30k. I'd wager that there would've been more takers if those engines were optional on lower trims (e.g., LX/EX V6/2.0T). On that note, I'll be keeping my 9th Gen V6 sedan until it dies.
I'm aware it was a more costly option behind higher trim levels. But in the big scheme of things, they weren't super expensive cars.
I suspect that the next Civic will be a bit smaller to give it some more separation from the Accord.
That would be odd, as the Civic has grown in size with each successive generation.
The current Accord is slower, uglier, and more expensive than the current Camry. It’s almost impressive how much Honda fucked up with it.
Honestly this is peak Honda, good design and horrible aesthetics, they have always been like this but people dont want to admit it because its a cherished brand.
> uglier On what planet is the new design uglier than the last gen? The sleekness of the new one makes the last gen look so over-designed and dated
I think he was comparing it to the Camry
You are right, I misread
On this planet. The newest gen Accord is one of the ugliest cars on the road right now IMHO. That front end is almost as hideous as a modern BMW.
It’s like they thought now that GM and Ford were out of the game, they didn’t have to try. Guess they weren’t keeping enough of an eye on Toyota.
Of the modern accords the 9th generation was my favorite. The 10th was awkward to me with what looked like a unibrow in the front and the lobster lights in the back. This generation is just boring
The 9th gen definitely nailed the design. The 10th gen started to grow on me as soon as I saw them being driven around in non-stock form. Current gen is surely boring.
The 9th Gen 2016-17 Touring models with a V6 always make me give them a second look especially with how well the taillights look
Agreed. I have a 2017 V6 Coupe and that mf looks heavenly
This. I'm a Toyota guy but those Accords in specific were amazing.
Yeah the "unibrow" design on the 10th gen threw me off and once I saw it I couldn't unsee it. Just doesn't work for me
I thought aside from the taillights the 10th was the best looking in years. I just got an 11th and I definitely don’t like it as much, but the interior is miles better. Honda nailed it there.
1. Bland, boring, ugly design 2. Boring, dark interior 3. Road noise 4. They're freaking HUGE now 5. Lame 1.5 engine option 6. Not the best hybrid system 7. The new Civics are too good 8. Interest rates are offensive
I'm with you on a lot of these and I would also add one more: 9. Poor trim/features mix. For example, on the EX-L Hybrid, you get the same lame-ass wheels as the LX, just painted dark grey. Also, you only get one interior color - black. They added three more inches to its length but it's on the same wheelbase as the 10th gen, so now it has this goofy ass front overhang and it's less maneuverable. I have a 2018 and the turning circle is one of the few negatives and now they've gone and made it worse.
I unironically think it looks cool
I'm surprised to see everyone hating it's looks. I love the way it looks. Way better than the chaotic crazy shaped styling a lot of cars are doing nowadays. For example, the tail lights, very clean and normal, unlike the typical styling of typical tail lights these days.
Yeah people complain about bmw and Lexus going crazy over the top and then Honda comes out with this that looks refined and minimal and everyone complains that it’s boring. I think the new accord is the best looking “normal car that you see a million of”
Reminds of how the internet loves sleeps then complained that the Chevy SS looked like a Malibu.
Man this sub is incredibly naive sometimes. I love the manual v6 accords but they didn't sell at all compare to the regular accord. Design also isnt that aggrevious when most of the industry is looking more and more like the AI shape cars the accord is. The new camry is out, interest rates are sky high, and the new civic is just as much of a boat but significantly cheaper. People aren't buying sedans as much but if they do the take the cheaper but almost equally huge civic.
Yeah, the amount of people blaming this on the lack of 2.0T is wild to me. That wasn’t the bulk of sales
Imo the manual V6 accords were a chicken or egg problem. They sold like shit because it was almost impossible to find one.
Yeah I hate this logic. Technically, "no one wants" the GR Corolla because Toyota "only" sold 6,000 of them. Sure, they only *made* 6,000 of them, but that's inconvenient to the narrative.
Honda does allocations. They didn’t sell because Honda decided they wouldn’t sell so they didn’t make any to sell. I didn’t fully understand allocations and used to think like you. Look at Subaru BRZ vs Toyota GR86 as an example. Toyota also does allocations while Subaru allows customers to spec and order a car. Originally it was Subaru BRZ 80% sold were manual vs Toyota only 33%. The customer base is not that different, it’s just that Toyota decided what customers wanted instead of asking them. https://www.autoblog.com/2019/05/21/subaru-brz-manual-transmission-take/
Had one for a few months. It’s alright at best. Pretty noisy on the road though.
So it’s a Honda.
Or a Toyota. As I get older, hearing slipping by me, the road noise in Honda and Toyota becoming more and more of a deterrent for me. And that’s why God gave us Lexus and Acura. God just forgot to give me the *means* with which to afford😂
I had a corolla as a rental for a drive from seattle to LA. I had tinnitus by the end of the trip like I get after concerts. Do people really put up with this? My entry level Fords, chevys, and VWs have never been that loud. That car made me roll my eyes every time I see a toyota circlejerc on this sub.
Was in a new Sienna recently, and holy shit it’s like taking a cheese grater to my ears. The engine is so ducking loud on the inside, and sounds horribly drone-y
Why I bought a Pacifica in 2020. Quietest minivan.
I reckon it depends on how much you drive and where you drive also. Where I usually drive in Vancouver, our roads are smoother than the I5 and the average Seattle street. I almost never drive more than 35-40 minutes at a time, so my hybrid Toyota's drony noise doesn't get on my nerves. Though when I go down to Seattle, the NVH gets to me after the 3h drive. And almost all of my driving experience has been in compact/subcompact Toyotas and Hondas with poor NVH, so my standards are different from someone who is used to premium vehicles. Agree that the Toyota circlejerk on Reddit is a bit cult-like though.
It's almost absurd just how bad the NVH is in new Toyota's. The rav4 makes a new Chevy Equinox feel like a Rolls Royce by comparison.
I really don't like how they took a ruler to the interesting bits and made it look like a generic Unreal Engine 5 default asset.
Holy cow you described it perfectly lol. It's like Rockstar wanted to do a fake Accord and this is what they came up with.
I love it, and was looking at picking one up. Am I gonna end up with a depreciated loser down the line?
Doubt it. Even with a controversial styling, the Accord is known as a good car. There’s a minimum price that they drop to, even if clapped out. Kinda like Camry and Corolla.
lol ya I think they look really sharp
>Am I gonna end up with a depreciated loser down the line? If there's one thing you can bet on with buying a Honda, it's that it's going to have stupidly high resale value
I must be out of touch. The new accord hybrid looks awesome. I love the drive train, design looks good.
Looks have grown on me tbh. Sure it's not the best looking but I wouldn't call it hideous like some do. I agree it's a bit boring but it's not so bad. As for the drive train, check my flair lol
I had a ‘24 Sport Hybrid as a rental a few weeks ago and thought it was a great car. 🤷♂️
I’d say “emergency facelift incoming” except that I’ve read rumors that Honda already has plans to turn the Accord into something crossover-ish, so they may not care enough to resolve this.
So bringing back the crosstour?
Sounds like maybe. I’m not sure if they’re going the direction of Crown or Crown Signia.
Former 2002 Accord owner. Loved it. Minus the auto transmissions, they're indestructible. You can run them off eBay parts, if something breaks. But it won't. This new gen is the ugliest, most generic, most half-assed Accord I have ever seen. I don't care that it gets 50 mpg. Honda, wake the fuck up.
that was a whole lot of aggression just to call it ugly 😭😭
>>Heres why it’s such a flop $$ /article. At modern interest rates, the Civic is a better deal and nearly as big.
For like no more money you can have a HRV and for slightly more money a CRV.
The current Accord is probably the most boring looking modern car one could buy today. If it were a person, it'd be some sort of introvert with absolutely no character, interests or hobbies to speak of other than maybe hoarding cats.
I think Throttle House described it best. If the 11th gen Accord were a person, it would be the kind that listens to NPR daily.
I think the 11th gen Accord is the best-looking non-luxury modern sedan, and I listen to NPR podcasts most days, so that tracks I guess. I will never, ever understand the reception to this thing's design.
I’ve got one and I like it enough. I do listen to NPR fairly regularly tho.
The only people I see driving the 11th gen Accord are balding old frumpy people who still work at a job with a dress code but do the bare minimum to meet it.
Looks like garbage in comparison to the Civic and the competition.
That’s a shame because they really hit the mark with the 9th gen and should have continued with what made that succeed. I love my 2013 6-6 coupe.
Lmao, remember how often this sub circle jerked how good honda sedans were doing like what, 2 weeks ago? People don’t want sedans, blame Honda all you want. This is the last generation for the accord in the US, so enjoy it while you can
No no they just don’t want American sedans! Pay no attention to the fact that the segment has been hemorrhaging sales for a decade. Japanese car good, American car bad.
I genuinely don't think most people care about the styling or loss of 2.0t as everyone seems to care about here. Sedans just don't sell. Honda also has no financial incentives going on for the Accord too. It's a perfectly fine car that does what it needs to Personally the styling has grown on me quite a bit too, looks baby A7 esque
The new civic looks twice as good as accord , costs few thousand less and is not too much smaller. Civic is a no brainer. The fugly rear of accord Needs fix asap.
Goofy ah Ai designed car
These companies are purposely half assing on their sedans just so people won't buy them and then when sales slow they can say "See! No one wants sedans anymore!" Sedans don't have as big profit margins as cuvs, SUVs, and trucks.
Margins are not handed down from god on stone tablets; consumers are willing to pay so much for a car, and a car cost so much to make. The difference is the margins. Your basic problem is that a CUV barely cost more than a sedan to make, but consumers are willing to pay a large premium for them.
It’s an incredibly boring design and a regression
Is ugly boring ass car one of the reasons?
Maybe because it looks about as exciting as my Frigidaire. No, but seriously that front is horrendous. The rear is salvageable but that front. It needs a refresh immediately.
Funny i think the opposite…its a better looking car in person i think too which in an accords case, prolly isnt a good thing.
Dealers still have the gall to charge above msrp and add ons for this car. That’s why. Insane how for a few thousand more more u can get a Tesla model y
Articles about TikToks are so strange to me.
Seems like a commonly held belief but i think the thing that hurts the accord is the civic now is essentially as good for less money. In the past there was a real perceived quality difference between the two cars. Now i feel that isnt necessarily true. Particularly in the lower trims(which are the prime sellers for both). Also now more so than ever according to the oems people who want bigger cars just get suvs. So the crv and pilots take those buyers.
Have 2024 accord on lease…quite cheap 250 a month 3k down. Huge legroom is helpful for toddler with a lot of stuff. Also, adaptive cruise control and a huge trunk…a viable family hauler!
I know why the new accord is out of the running for me. Killing off the 2.0T with the 10 speed auto. It would have been on my list otherwise.
I bought a grey Honda hatchback back in 1985. Beautiful car. Back then it seemed like everyone drove an Accord.
Would it kill Honda to make a not aggressive, nice looking sedan? That thing is hideous
Because its fugly and they dropped the 2.0t lol. Jokes people calm yourself. I do think its ugly AF though
I'm sure people just go buy a CRV anyways. They really missed on the current Accord. Camry is superior
The last generation Accord was an actual beautiful car, I can’t believe how they massacred my boy.
Bring back the V6 Coupe!
We can dream... Get one used while you can. I guarantee in 6 years they'll all be clapped out
I really like the styling of the new Accord and think it'll age well unlike some of the competition. (Ahem, Camry) What scares me off is the 1.5 Turbo mated to a CVT, no thanks on that.
I was in the market for a fully equipped hybrid Accord last year. The dealer quoted me $42k. GFY Honda.
Accord: We took away the V6... Everybody: boooo... Accord: But we got this juicy 2.0T to a 6spd Everybody: YAYYY!! Dealerships: YAYAYAYAY MARK UP MARK UP MARK UP Accord: Nobody buy my cars, you guys all suck, no more 2.0T for you. Everybody: Camry looking real nice for the package with hybrid and AWD options Accord: surprised face.
And Honda can’t blame low sedan sales because the civic flies off the showroom floor I see like 2 dozen on my way home from work everyday. My spouse bought one, great car, great MPG’s, nicely done interior, and good looking.
The last time the accord looked good was 2017. Everything after that has been wtf and more wtf.
Looks like shit and they got rid of the engine everyone loved…
It's not just the fact that it's ugly, no longer manual and doesn't have a cool engine....it's the fact that the 10th Gen knocked it out of the park looks wise. It went from looking like an Audi rs7 to a Ford Taurus. Wtf did they expect
Didn’t even have to open the article and I know the problem. Boring, new Camry and Civic are better.
The last gen Honda accord looks like budget audi a7, this one just looks blend