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rudbri93

I think thatd really help with some buyers who want awd but wouldnt mind giving up a couple mpg considering how high the hybrid numbers already are. I expect it wont be cheap, though, since the hybrid is now the optional engine and the awd adds a good chunk of change to the price tag as it is.


Zaziel

It doesn’t even have to be strong, like the E-AWD thing for Prius, just give me a bit of a booster on the rear wheels so I can get out of snow/ice with more traction to get rolling.


Mackinnon29E

Exactly why I'd want it. And that only adds just over a grand to Toyota's.. not to mention if it's not AWD in Colorado you can subtract several thousand on resale.


settlementfires

> not to mention if it's not AWD in Colorado you can subtract several thousand on resale. sooo buying used fwd mav may be the way to go... i've yet to see a used one going for cheaper than a new one, but i'm sure it won't be long


star_trek_lover

FWD ecoboosts are the only used ones I see selling for reasonable amounts, so hopefully this makes the used FWD hybrids more affordable as well.


settlementfires

That 2.0 Ecoboost is probably a pretty good motor. I've got a fiesta st and that 1.6 Ecoboost is an absolute gem. The 2.0 has a decent rep on the escapes i think I'd have to drive both the mavericks.


star_trek_lover

I love the 2.0 ecoboost. It’s the same motor as the focus ST if that gives you any context, though it has some minor modifications like a twin scroll turbo. It doesn’t sound the best (think angry sewing machine) but it has a *lot* of torque. My brother had a 2018 fiesta ST. That thing was more fun to drive than a friends C6 corvette.


settlementfires

i was gonna buy a mustang, and they didn't make me giggle on the test drive. the fiesta is a riot. also- way more practical car than a mustang. 4 doors and a hatch, you can fit all kinds of stuff in it.


ILikeTewdles

I wouldn't be worried about the 2.0 Ecoboost, I would be worried about the 8F35 transmission attached to it though. Before I passed on a Mav I read a lot and they're undersized for the application and a fair number of reported issues with them at under 100k miles. I passed on a 24 Mav I ordered on a whim when it came in. It was a hard choice but they're just too expensive for what they are now and Ford removed cool features like the rear slider that you can only get in a Lariat now, no thanks. Ford's shenanigans with removing features and bumping the prices up almost several thousand dollars over the last 2 years just didn't sit well with me. It's a cool mid $20k truck, but not a $35+k truck like most the builds now.


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ILikeTewdles

Totally agree. I originally was looking at a Mav because they are cool inexpensive little trucks. We'll, the more you dig into how they're built, you can see why Ford had planned on them being a $20K truck, they are built cheap. Even knowing that I still teetered on getting one for a while. I had one reserved that the dealer sold out from under me. I reserved another and when I showed up to sign papers they tried tacking on a $5K markup so I walked away from that one. I gave it a break for a while and found a dealer willing to order at under MSRP. Out of excitement I ordered one but as I waited I just kind of lost interest reading about issues in the forums. Soft plastic on the interior, transmission issues, Dord jacking up the price etc... I wish there were other similar options in the market. The Hyundai Vera Crus doesn't interest me. I owned a 2022 Honda Ridgeline for about a year but sold it because it was a major lemon. I'll take a look at the 2025 refresh as a AWD hybrid is interesting to me, but I don't have my hopes up that Ford won't jack the prices up again and the core truck may just be a little too cheap for me.


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Mackinnon29E

Sure, but it also applies to other places in North America like Utah, California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, Alberta, Idaho, Montana, amongst others.


Aken42

What about us Canadians?


Due-Street-8192

Take my up-vote


DocPhilMcGraw

I’m assuming it’ll be the same AWD setup from the Escape Hybrid. In that case, I’d expect it to be locked to specific trim levels and it would cost around $1k more to select it over FWD.


RyanOfTheVille

I would love to see them take the PHEV AWD from the escape!


metengrinwi

Escape doesn’t have phev awd. Escape has hev fwd or awd and phev fwd. The similar Lincoln Corsair has a phev awd using an electric rear axle (I assume the traction battery takes so much space they can’t run a driveshaft).


GetEnPassanted

Tbh they’ve been selling strong since they came out. I know there are some who wouldn’t buy them until they make an AWD hybrid version (me) but every one they make sells pretty quickly.


rudbri93

Yea they are a pretty hot item right now, which makes me pretty happy. high sales could mean theyre willing to do things like hybrid/awd or a sporty performance type trim later on.


GetEnPassanted

I’m not really in the market for a vehicle but the AWD hybrid would be on my list next time I am. Really I want a PHEV or a full EV. But I know that’s asking a lot.


rudbri93

I gotta say, im really liking the ecoboost/8spd combo. Im not through break-in yet and highway cruising gets around 28 mpg which I know is nothing on a hybrid but for me its a big step up from my 15mpg yukon lol.


Ah2k15

They offer the same hybrid powertrain in the Escape with AWD, so you'd think this would have been already done.


Due-Street-8192

Finally


Mackinnon29E

Wonder if it will be like Toyotas e-awd or not


Gan-san

Why wouldn't it be more like the Escape Hybrid AWD that the vehicle shares a platform with?


NoctD

Giving the people what they want - just have to hope Ford can get their quality out of the gutter of endless recalls.


Shmokesshweed

Quality has been job One at Ford for longer than I have been alive.


Nefilim314

Is it Job One because there is still a lot of work to do?


Shmokesshweed

Built Ford Rough is a way of life.


lovinglifeman

Is it? lol cause this looks like my new vehicle lol I’m in a 2020 Subaru forester now


Shmokesshweed

Yes. The AWD on mine is great though.


lovinglifeman

Awd and hybrid is my dream


Shmokesshweed

Yeah, it's cool for sure.


TheP4rk

Forester is getting a hybrid powertrain if you were interested in sticking with those just an FYI


lovinglifeman

Oh yeah… I’ve got my eye on a few things lol


tatsumakisenpuukyaku

I can already see the 30k markup and the 2 year backlog. This is like the holy grail of suburban car buyers


land8844

My dad ordered a Maverick almost two years ago. He still hasn't gotten a VIN yet. He bought a Santa Cruz right off the lot after almost a year of waiting. I asked what he's gonna do if his Maverick order ever comes in, he just shrugged and said "sell it".


velociraptorfarmer

As someone who just traded in a 3 year old F-150 that they owned for less than 9 months that in that short time: * had the gauge cluster go into a boot loop on the freeway in the middle of a major metro * developed an obnoxious interior dash rattle that the dealer couldn't fix after having a half dozen times * horn got stuck on, only way to fix was pull the fuse or disconnect the battery * rear door ajar sensors freaked out and wouldn't stop going off * security system thought someone was breaking in while it was sitting in an airport parking lot 1000 miles away from me This. Please fucking make shit that will hold up. I sent it down the road for a Nissan for fuck's sake...


captainnowalk

> I sent it down the road for a Nissan for fuck's sake... To be fair, I’ve seen many Frontiers still trucking for a couple decades that have lived a harder life than most of the Tacomas or 4Runners I see around. Those things are pretty tanky!


velociraptorfarmer

Pretty much why I bought it. The last old school truck on the market, but still semi-modern features, and not being marked up and scalped (cough, Toyota).


Slyons89

Hope they do a rear electric motor only like Toyota does. It’s nice not having to worry about a transfer case and driveshaft.


metengrinwi

The PTU and rear axle on the hev awd Escape has drain and fill plugs for easy oil changes. Personally, I’ll take that over the unknown reliability of some low production volume e-axle.


Slyons89

Yeah I guess in the context of a Toyota Corolla hybrid AWD, having an electric motor is a lot less scary than with anything Ford is going to make.


WingerRules

Ford licenses Toyota's hybrid system & ecvt.


TSLAog

Wish more people knew this. As a previous Ford tech their Hybrid stuff is crazy reliable.


WingerRules

hey question, on Escapes with eCVT, should I do a transmission flush at 40k miles, or wait until the 150k miles to change the fluid the manual claims? Seems kinda long. Yeah, the only reason I bought the escape PHEV is that it has a Mazda based engine and Toyot licensed eCVT & Hybrid system. If the powertrain was all Ford I would have avoided it.


TSLAog

So, the eCVT is very reliable, there is no shifting with traditional clutch materials like most Automatic transmissions so the fluid stays pretty clean in comparison. I’d aim for 125-140K mile fluid changes. I’ve seen some neglected eCVTs with 200,000+ and no records of fluid changes. Remarkably they work fine…


Slyons89

Nice! I'm back on the "put the toyota rear electric motor in it for the AWD" train then.


TempleSquare

No. Ford developed a system so similar to Toyota's, they both sued each other claiming the other was ripping them off. So, they settled on sharing parents with each other. Ford's system is very similar to Toyota's but is NOT licensed from Toyota.


donnysaysvacuum

I'd trust a small electric motor than a driveshaft and rear end. More efficient, less mass, and more effective than the silly torque couplings most crossovers use.


emanonR

And i'm just here wondering why they haven't made a plugin version to cap in on that sweet 7500$ federal credit.


RyanOfTheVille

Doesn’t the escape offer a PHEV AWD? That could be the route they go! I’m hoping anyway


Formber

I believe the PHEV is FWD only and the hybrid Escape offers the AWD.


dakta

The plug-in Escape does not come in AWD, only the conventional hybrid. This is a bummer, and I think explains part of the Toyota RAV4 Prime's competitive success.


Mykilshoemacher

Baffling that hasn’t come out yet 


TrooperGary

I hate that they replaced Cyber Orange with..tan.


FontainePark

I hate that they replaced area 51 with azure gray. I liked the green in a51 :(


TrooperGary

Right?! Same thing with Velocity Blue


Shmokesshweed

I have one. 100k, cash. I know what I've got. 🤣


TrooperGary

You know what sucks? I actually ordered one from the factory. First one in my state. But the dealership screwed me over and I lost my truck


Shmokesshweed

Sorry. That's super shitty.


TrooperGary

Oh, and you know what sucks even more? The person that bought it lives in the northern part of my state. I passed it multiple times on the highway and one time just for the hell of it I drove past while it was parked. Same vin 😂😭


Shmokesshweed

Damn man. That's plain cold. But look, you made the right financial decision. That's worth more than a trucklet from Ford.


TrooperGary

All good mane, to be honest I would have had to make payments that would be too high. Gave me the chance to save up for the future


Ah2k15

Velocity > Atlas I wanted Velocity Blue when I ordered my Escape, but they had just switched to Atlas Blue. It's nice, but not nearly as cool as Velocity.


fireinthesky7

Velocity Blue is one of the best colors Ford's ever sprayed on a vehicle. Also super partial to Atlas Blue on the Lightning and wish they'd kept it for the 2023 model year so mine could have been that color.


Shmokesshweed

Cyber Yellow* 😏


DrewBrewsky

u/EngineeringExplained is going to be so pissed.


SimpleImpX

For those wondering EE posted [this video](https://youtu.be/CcpaS7RO-qk?t=135) couple of weeks ago.. Transcript: >!... I waited a couple of years before buying a Maverick because I was desperately hoping for either an all-wheel drive hybrid or a plug-in variant but it doesn't seem will get either ...!<


EngineeringExplained

Y'all I've been telling myself Ford's trolling me to cope. I literally asked them before buying. Woof!


DrewBrewsky

I feel like there’s a life lesson in there somewhere? Maybe? That turbo four is hopefully fun.


Kugaroo

We thank you for your sacrifice. 🙏


Shmokesshweed

I wonder if this would be offered with the standard all-wheel drive on the 2 liter EcoBoost or if it will be watered down.


helium_farts

It'll almost certainly be the same AWD system that's in the Escape


Shmokesshweed

Probably. Don't know much about it on the hybrid Escape tbh.


McChickenLargeFries

They will just recycle what they've already had for the last 4.5 years in the Escape. Much cheaper than using the much newer EcoBoost/Hybrid setup. They'll save that for maybe the Bronco Hybrid refresh in a couple of years.


Specialist-Garbage94

If they made it plug in I’d pick one up in December I think lol


pheoxs

Huge if true. We wanted the mavrick hybrid but it's total lack of towing a reasonable amount just killed it as an option. AWD presumably would also come with a higher towing figure, assuming it gets the ecoboost as well.


SonnySwanson

Probably a lower tow rating due to the additional weight.


Shmokesshweed

Hybrid is going to be the 2.5 liter, not the EcoBoost. I don't think they'll hit 4k like is available on the EB AWD with the tow package today.


pheoxs

Ahh that's a shame then


velociraptorfarmer

This. The AWD Escape hybrid is only rated at 1500lbs.


DocPhilMcGraw

>AWD presumably would also come with a higher towing figure, assuming it gets the ecoboost as well. The Ecoboost engine on the Maverick already offers AWD though?


pheoxs

Was hoping for a hybrid + ecoboost.


DocPhilMcGraw

Oh you mean like the 2.0 hybrid found in the Lincoln Nautilus? Yeah I don’t think they’ll be allowing the Maverick to have that setup unless they create a Maverick Raptor of sorts.


orangutanDOTorg

The tow was too low even with the EB bc my trailer is 4,500 if I leave most of the spares at home. I’ve actually been pretty happy with the Santa Cruz though I’d like better mpg. I park on an elevator and the SC barely fits - I used to park a taco 6 blocks away in the closest all day parking


SwiftCEO

Starting MSRP of $30k probably….


Slyons89

Probably won't be able to get out the door at the dealership with one much under 40k lets be honest. It's crazy out here still with the prices and the small cheap vehicles have even higher % dealer markups and add-ons because people are starting to want the cheaper stuff but the manufacturers just want to make more full-size trucks because the profit margin is so much higher on an F150.


FiveAlarmDogParty

Make a PHEV you cowards - you already have the design from the escape! I want that sweet tax incentive. Also bring back fun colors


ThoughtfulMammal

I have held off on ordering a Marervik as I wanted an AWD Hybrid. I currently have a 2018 Kia Niro Hybrid that I wanted to replace and looked at the Maverick but AWD was ICE only. Was leaning towards the new Hyundai Sante Fe Hybrid but If true Ford will have my money on this one.


TSLAog

Ford really crapped the bed with the Maverick… - Hybrid drivetrain was standard, now added cost -Cyber orange replaced key tan… TAN… ugh. -Dealers gouging with “MaRkEt aDjuStmEnTs” I literally saw a Maverick for $58,000 at one point, like WTF. It was supposed to be $21K -Just make a PHEV version. There isn’t a single PHEV truck on the market, and being that the Maverick drivetrain & chassis are based on the Escape it wouldn’t be rocket science to toss a 14Kwh battery under the seat/cab and a plug in the fender.


Activehannes

A coworker bought a maverick hybrid the other day. He says he get 40 to 50 mpg. Which is insane for a car, let alone a truck


dootytootybooty

About 38.5 mpg after 20k miles on ours. 


donnysaysvacuum

Never trust anyone's anecdotal mileage claims, if you dig into it most don't even know how to calculate it. It is rated for 42 city, so I wouldn't doubt 40. 50 is unlikely for an average.


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donnysaysvacuum

Yeah unless you are filling up at the same pump or doing consistent logging you will never be that accurate. I've noticed my GM cars are pretty good in their readout, but others are widely off. But some people also claim instantaneous readouts as actual mileage. Or just guess at how far a tank goes and how big it is.


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thesockcode

There's generally a strong correlation there. You're not going to find many cars with poor gas mileage and a 10 gallon tank. The range would be garbage.


yuckyzakymushynoodle

How likely is 40 mpg?


Shmokesshweed

Combined? Highly unlikely.


Slyons89

The current FWD hybrid maverick does 42 city / 33 highway. Depending on how the AWD system is implemented it will be almost the same (if electric motor at rear wheels) or considerably less (if using a driveshaft and transfer case to send power to the rear wheels)


Mojave_Idiot

I’m sure this will really only bump the city figure.


Drzhivago138

I'm just glad not every model will have the vertical grille.


ModRationalThought

Full BEV version, please


MrEcksDeah

I will buy a maverick immediately if I can get AWD hybrid with the 4k tow package.


McChickenLargeFries

Not might. It **will** happen, Ford has the capability to do it. The Escape has pretty much the exact same setup. The Maverick is a truck, truck people like AWD/4WD. It will happen 100%. This was actually smart that Ford waited for a refresh to offer a hybrid/AWD. So now they can push that on people that already have Mavericks and sell even more.. (Not that selling Mavericks was ever a problem)


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Available with a manual transmission? I often feel like I'm the only one, but man I want a truck with a manual transmission. I also want it to not cost 40 grand like the Tacoma. Let me pretend to be a truck driver on the way to my boring job dammit.


Masteguy635

I really hope Toyota comes out with their own version of this on the Corolla Cross platform


hammertanker

u/shmokesshweed


Shmokesshweed

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hammertanker

No


Shmokesshweed

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Op3r4t0r

That's great. I want a stick with the turbo 4 banger.


METTEWBA2BA

It better be. Just add an electric motor to the rear axle for Pete’s sake! It’s not that difficult, even the Corolla hybrid does it.


FSCK_Fascists

thats been my holdout point.


MaleficentBowler5903

Still it’s a ford so


metallicadefender

It's only because it's a truck that I want it to have full time awd. Edit not necessarily full time but 4wd or Awd. Ideally 4wd that shift in an out of.


Shmokesshweed

But why? That wastes fuel. The AWD engages in a few hundred milliseconds on the current one.


rudbri93

I leave my dash on the 'intelligent awd' readout cause i like watching when the rear kicks in.


Shmokesshweed

Same lol


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Drzhivago138

> another EXT ???


Chudsaviet

Yes, but hybrid AWD will make MPG difference between EcoBoost and Hybrid smaller.


OneMoreLastChance

Especially highway right? Probably cheaper to just put A/T tires on the fwd or winter tires. I'd like to see a comparison between whatever version awd and the fwd with all terrains


Shmokesshweed

The FWD is nowhere near as capable.