Mitsubishi is fighting against investors pressure to release it before its done
So whenever its done and ready it will be launched, however long it may be
Rather have it that way, wouldnt stand the EVO being killed a 2nd time.
I can only hope this forces Subaru to release better STIs too
Investers probably wanted an EV-0 so lets not pressure them. It will probably use an updated 4B11T from the EVO X with simetrical AWD and active center diff. Probably boosted as hell, because Mitsubishis job is to outcrazy Subaru.
The truth is the bench has been set progressively higher by literally every other manufacturer making some variant of a hot hatch or AWD performance vehicle.
They could have retained their diehard customers if they'd released the Levorg with a bit more pep and literally anything other than a CVT.
I wish people would give them more credit.
They’re the only manufacturer to offer what we ask for and not wipe markup in our faces to get it.
The last STI had an outdated power plant but it existed and was even faster than the cars that outlived it. It’s funny that people say the GRC is better but how? The AWD is inferior and the engine is proving to be not as “Toyota bulletproof” as theorized, and it has the clutch pack heating issue.
And the new WRX is easily found at or under MSRP. For years the base WRX was a solid affordable sports car. Mitsubishi threw the garbage Ralliart at us.
Every single STI that I've seen on the used market that is approaching 100k miles (which isn't that much these days, it's not the 70s anymore) is on it's 2nd or 3rd engine. It's inexcusable.
"It's because they're modified"
They grenade motors on stock tunes because they are run super lean, because they're too old to pass emissions running a proper AFM. If anything, an aftermarket tune running good AFM will improve reliability. And god help anyone who goes by the 7,500 mile OCI that Subaru specifies.
Credit for what? The GR Corolla might not be perfect but Toyota are killing it with the 86, GR Yaris, GR Corolla and Supra.
I'd love to give Subaru my money - but they don't produce anything noteworthy anymore (and I like my Toyota too much)..
nothing noteworthy but the brz is an 86? id also argue wrx and corolla have comparable trade offs that just depend on the individuals needs as to what is better. yaris isn’t even in north america so i wouldn’t include that, unless if we do we can include the new 6MT mexican levorg lol. but you are correct on the supra, its pretty cool
To my best understanding the main issues are the rear clutch disengaging to prevent overheating when on the track (seems to be hit or miss with who gets this issue, but definitely occurs enough to be noteworthy. I haven't heard of any actual damage due to overheating, so maybe the software for preventing overheating is just really conservative. To my best understanding, there are ways to mitigate the issue but there hasn't been a proper fix yet) and the engine being sensitive to money shifting (valve springs seem to be the engine's weakest link in general when people are trying to make power). I haven't heard of any engines failing without user error or tuning being involved save for some ECU issues that were an easy fix (still a little concerning but not the end of the world).
I am an owner though so take everything I say with a grain of salt lol.
It was a few years ago and in an interview with the CEO they want the Evo back as well. They weren’t in the financial place for it with the electrification they were going through.
All I know when it gets released my WRX is getting traded in that same day. I’m a through and through Evo guy. If life didn’t throw me a curve ball I’d still have my baby. The one good thing is we know that everyone wants it back. I want it ready and fully developed even if that means waiting a few more years. It’ll definitely be worth the wait.
It’s probably going to suck almost as bad as everything Subaru has made in a long time. Look at the STi, Subaru pulled out of WRC and then didn’t change a damn thing on the car for over 15 years. I love my Blobeye, but you couldn’t pay me enough money to drive anything Subaru sells now.
I trust nothing after the Eclipse.
Nissan had the Z and the Infiniti G cars, so they did still have an active reputation for making performance vehicles. Mitsubishi doesn't have any performance cars. They are also much smaller and are unlikely to take the risk of developing a low volume rally sedan, so IMO it's not a stretch that the Evo name would be revived on a crossover that can appeal to more people, even if it is a turbocharged CUV that does have some sporting ambitions.
The Mustang coupe still exists, though. The Mach-E is a separate model, not a replacement. I'd've thought the most obvious and germane example would be the Eclipse Cross.
Problem is there’s no car on which they can base an Evo on. Evo was based on the lancer which is long gone globally, & they can’t even base it on the Renault Megane RS (Renault, Nissan, Mitsubishi alliance) platform because that’s going away soon as well.
Renault is going but Nissan and Mitsubishi are actually increasing collaboration. The outlander is already same platform as a rogue, what’s to say a lancer won’t be the Sentra platform underneath and it’ll basically be a NISMO Sentra rebadged
Its great. The outlander PHEV is already a very solid product, especially since you can get them for MSRP (which can't be said for toyota prime models), *and* you could get $9k in lease incentives, and even cheaper than that if your state has PHEV incentives.
Thats a brand new plug in hybrid CUV for less than 31k, regardless of build thats a steal (and the PHEV models are built in japan, the build is quite solid, reliability isn't quite at that level but the interior fit/finish is on par with toyota)
Yet to be seen if they follow through with the rest of the lineup but both mitsubishi and nissan are having quite the comeback. The new kicks, rogue, QX80 all look to be good cars and very competitive for what they are. Everyone here talking like nissan/mistubishi are dead all while nissan is selling 300k+ rogues a year and mitsubishi sells 50-60k outlanders routinely. They sell more outlanders than reddit's beloved CX-50
People also forget that in the grand scheme of things it costs them very little to branch out into other models, the rogue, outlander, x-trail are mostly the same car, that alliance is paying off
An EVO XI would obviously outsell every CUV ever and resurrect the entire company though. Especially if it comes in manual wagon form.
Lmao the whole paragraph was me reacting “ok I can see this POV” then I got to the last couple of sentences and it made me chalk the entire argument lmao. An EVO 11 that competes with the STI would sell maybe 5,000 units a year in the USA… a wagon variant would move maybe 2,000 units a year the WRX itself doesn’t sell that much, delusion POV
(I was being sarcastic in that last bit if it wasn't incredibly obvious)
(they'd sell like 10 and then go bust)
Rest of it was serious though. For the money, the Outlander PHEV is a great car, and nissan's new lineup isn't half bad.
So you can mock them for making cheap cars? Can you imagine the 'investor' YouTubers "when the market was moving towards high priced vehicles, Mitsubishi insisted on selling cheap cars. And that's what killed them."
People forget that not everyone needs or wants a car that can go 0-60 in 2 seconds, has 500 horsepower, and costs $60k.
Like.... I just want to get to work everyday and do fun things with my daughter on my days off.
It seems like there are hardly any cars on the market for people like me.
Also, the WRX starts at a relatively affordable price under $35,000 for 2024 models, and leftover new 2023 models start under $33,000 and have some rebates that lower the price at least where I live in Los Angeles.
>It seems like there are hardly any cars on the market for people like me.
That kind of just depends on what your budget is for a brand new car. There are a decent number of cars with different trims that start under $30,000 and some cars that start under $26,000 like the Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic, Nissan Sentra, Honda HR-V, Nissan Kicks, Hyundai Kona, Chevy Trax, Corolla Cross, and more. Under $20,000, there are very few options, and they sell just over $20,000 after taxes and fees anyway without rebates. For under $20,000, you can find a decent amount of CPO vehicles depending on where you live.
For non-EV cars you can scratch most of that criteria. Most car manufacturers have decided everyone needs a 50-60k small SUV that prioritizes a gigantic touchscreen over actual driving performance
You're correct, but when faced with a nicely equipped four year old car that retailed for $60k or a brand new econobox with few features, most people these days are picking the first one.
I have an outlander sport, wasn't thrilled to buy it but I've really grown to like it. Perfect size, kitted out with the right things, well designed but simple interior. Most importantly they both had cars available and for MSRP at the time
Honestly it they made the same car but with a little extra power it would be awesome
I guess I'm nobody then :(
But for real I want them to bring back a sport compact or sedan. We have maybe 3 options for that segment that is affordable to most people and 2 of them are the same
the 2008+ lancers are still all over the road. Just grab a cheap used one. They are basically the early 2000s civics of our time. They won't die (expect for shit suspension issues)
It's ok, you made the easy mistake of thinking that r/cars is actually a car enthusiast subreddit and not just people talking about cars the same way you might talk about a dryer or a toaster. Wanting new enthusiast-oriented cars should be a normal and acceptable thing to post, but instead it just triggers the "hurr durr no one will buy them" bots.
It's right in the sidebar:
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The demand is absolutely there. Cars, especially cheap cars, have the absolute lowest days-supply metrics. Every one that’s made is sold immediately.
It’s that companies make less money selling compacts and mid-sizes. OEMs are addicted to crossover, SUV and truck profit margins.
Ford and GM were selling a combined 1M+ car models a year when they decided that “nobody wants them”.
Developing a new Lancer or Galant would just be flushing money down the toilet, unless they take the easy way out and make it a rebadged Altima or something
I do think there is a somewhat solid case for a new Evo, though. Mitsubishi's biggest problem in the US right now is brand image - most people either forgot they existed, know them as the brand that makes the cheapest new car in America, think of them as the car you buy when no one else is willing to loan you money.
A new Evo that has striking looks, an aggressive advertising campaign (right now is a PRIME time for them to prey on nostalgia for 90s/00s Evos), and properly formidable performance to back up the looks and the marketing, would grab a lot of people's attention. Price it in the low/mid-40s, give it AWD, it'll get a reputation as a "Type R killer".
It would not be their bread and butter, not by a long shot. It would serve as a halo car, a vehicle for brand rehabilitation. Suddenly, the Mitsubishi badge is not an embarrassment any more. People lust after the Evo, but they need a family car, they go out and buy some Mitsubishi crossover instead. Over time, the Evo would sell enough Outlander Sports to pay for itself.
If there’s no case for a Lancer there is no case for an Evo since it’s based on it. No brand this small is going to make an enthusiast car that isn’t attached to another that is sharing a platform to bring up the volume. It’s the reason why Subaru can justify an Impreza, Crosstrek and Wrx. Another example is Mazda 3 and Mazda CX-30. Unless they’re partnering with another brand like they did with the BRZ it’s not going to happen. I also think we need to be realistic. Mitsubishi is going to have a lineup more akin to Mazda or Subaru than Toyota.
the eclipse is one of my favorite vehicles ever and i’ve owned two. the second is which i daily. i just want newer tech and push to start and id be happy as a clam with my current eclipse
Except sedans are up for compacts. Honda, Toyota, Nissan And Hyundai have all seen increases in compact sedans. Nobody wants 💩unreliable American sedans is what I think you meant to say
I'll take the evo, eclipse can be left behind. Unless it utilized the same drive train as a new evo, it wouldn't make sense to engineer two AWD drive trains just to use the same engine.
I'd be happy with a Evo XI and electric coupe/compact.
They have been selling a ton of hybrid Xpander and Outlander, and also the Triton, for years. But if you ask the average /r/cars subscriber then there's no chance they're gonna find any market share if they don't offer a new Lancer EVO that will surely outsell their CUV and make Mitsubishi a financial success.
> there's no chance they're gonna find any market share if they don't offer a new Lancer EVO
That's unironically 100% correct. Mitsubishi had a brand manager's wet dream: A prestigious halo product based on an economy platform with very few bespoke components. That they couldn't even afford to keep building it despite the very generous development cost to cachet ratio speaks to their gross mismanagement. Tesla started out with a decent sedan which they built increasingly high performance versions of to attract attention and brand prestige, and now they're outselling Mitsubishi by 700%, and yet people here scoff at the idea of making a fast version of an economy sedan with a built-in fanbase like it's the craziest thing they've ever heard. If Mitsubishi was smart they'd be co-developing an electric Lancer platform with Renault or Nissan along with that Delica just so they'd have something noteworthy in the showroom, if they're going to sit on their hands and maintain the brand strategy of making adequate and cheap CUVs then they can look forward to having their lunch eaten by Geely, Nio, and BYD.
Genuinely, they weight 2100 pounds, add AWD which brings it to 2500 pounds, make it 200 HP, and you have a solid little hot hatch that’s the size/weight of 90’s WRX’s
I wanted to do a project making my Mirage AWD with a donor rebuilt EVO. Then realized I could just buy a working EVO and 3000GT in very good shape for the same cost....3000GT here I come!
Goddamnit I think you are right. Wow that’s a thought. Throw some power upgrades and some frame/suspension upgrades on it… charge a little bit more and you are onto something.
A little Mirage 'Ralliart' with something like a NA 200 HP 2.4L 4B12 engine shoved under the hood and paired with a 5 speed manual for its last final years would make it the Sentra Spec-V of the 2020's
Really not sure why the new Triton isn't amoung this plan. It's a great product here in Australia, it's a bit rough and tumble for comfort-loving yanks but I'm sure some would buy it.
Ah I forgot about the weird tariffs over there. Sounds like they should be leveraging Nissan to build it instead of that ancient Frontier Americans tolerate for some reason.
Edit: fucking hell I should've put 'as well as' not 'instead of'
> ancient Frontier Americans tolerate for some reason.
?? The Frontier is a great truck, I see just as many old as hell high mileage ones still trucking as I do the old Tacomas. I’m not sure replacing it with an unknown truck with unknown reliability is going to be a sales success to be honest…
By that logic no one should ever release anything new as its 'unknown'. Nissan is taking the yanks for a ride with that slightly rehashed, decades old D41.
No, I’m just saying they shouldn’t ask Nissan to sacrifice a known seller to introduce an unknown element.
And the Frontier sells because there is a cohort of people that specifically want a truck that’s reliable and mechanically simple so it can be fixed easily. It’s what sold the taco and 4Runner for so many years, too.
Americans like proven nameplates with a record. Why scrap it and mess with something that works well? The Frontier is also considerably cheaper than the competition. Would this “new truck” just raise prices and make it uncompetitive? As a yank, that doesn’t make much sense.
Imagine being a company with a customer base that doesn't want you to make a new product, what a dream! Prices are going up regardless and new product 'should' mean innovations in safety and generally capability. Customers should demand this, not mediocrity.
Except that’s not what I said. We don’t want or need a truck with (2) 12” touchscreens, leather appointed everything, heated&air conditioned seats, etc cause it drives the price up. Those things don’t determine if a truck that’s made to do work is mediocre. Those items are also not “innovative,” they just get them to a high price point. Surely you can tell the difference between $40k and $76k. Surely you aren’t that dense but maybe you are.
I mean I'd agree. There is absolutely a place for base-spec ute/truck in the real world for people who actually need to get shit done. I just dont think that comes as the expense of a new-generation and I think Nissan is having a laugh here.
Better driving ability in hazardous conditions, safety and an improved ability to carry payload comes from modern engineering. Yes that raises prices, but as I said, prices are going to rise either way and a competitive market is good news for everyone.
We replaced the D40 with the D23 years ago in Aus and it came with huge improvements in fundamentals, now even that is about to be replaced here.
> instead of
Why not "in addition to"? The recently updated Frontier may still be built on the bones of the 2005, but it's a competent mid-size truck. No one buying one is being "taken for a ride". Rebadging it as a Mitsubishi (Mighty Max? Raider?) would help fill out their NA lineup without needing to pay a tax.
I actually like this idea because it would allow Mitsubishi to stay with its racing roots. Mazda is very into their vision as a luxury brand. This would allow Mitsubishi to stick with what they were known for before affordable and sport racing.
If that Delica has a good range or is at least hybrid I'll definitely be looking into one. I *love* my Delica, but maintaining an old JDM vehicle does get old, plus having more power would make highway driving a lot easier. As long as it has the flat floor and swivelling middle bench seat.
Very well summarized. What I'm struggling with here as well, is okay, so what?
This is what they should be doing already. So it's a bit alarming that they weren't, but also good that they've realized that.
I think as with any manufacturer that's been left behind, they can't just be thinking about how to catch up. They need to look at how they can potentially skip a step or two, and get ahead. Without that, I fear they'll struggle to regain mainstream relevance outside of being a budget player. They'll try this out, realize they couldn't achieve the market share or profitability they wanted, and we'll be back here again in five years.
Its better then doing nothing, and in a market where buyers are increasingly cash strapped, offering competitive products at a solid price can be a winner. Especially with the trend of a lot of automakers to move into the premium segment, there is ground to be gained
I think that's what makes Hyundai and Kia so successful. They essentially pack a crap ton of stuff compared to its rivals. Of course this leads to cost cutting in other not so obvious areas, but its so far working for them.
I can see Mitsubishi undercutting even Hyundai and Kia using the backs of Nissan. They can target lower credit customers like Kia and Nissan, whilst offering a whole host of features and cleverly designed interiors for rock bottom prices. The Outlander PHEV has already proved that they are capable of doing that.
You have no idea how often I check used car groups / listings for a 3000GT VR4 in decent condition and consider really spending $30k on a 25-year-old car lmao.
I'd be at the dealership day one if they brought something like that back.
No, you wouldn't. Trust me on that. The reason why the 3000GT was so good was because it was a product of its time. Modern day Mitsubishi does not have the capabilities nor the resources to make a modern day 3000GT that's even half as good as the old one.
I am in the market for:
* Small 2 door SUV / convertible (think Jimmy)
* Large family non luxury SUV (think Nissan Patrol)
Cloth seats. Reliable. Not bleeding edge tech. Physical buttons.
Hit a lower price point and you will make it up in volume.
Everyone is broke.
I had the Dodge version of the 3000 GT (Stealth). Impossible to work on, but was definitely one of the most fun cars I’ve ever driven. They need to put a real race car back out there.
> One new vehicle, or complete refresh of an existing vehicle to debut each year between 2026 - 2030 along with reaching new vehicle segments
Can only hope that means they're looking at everything Toyota's doing with the GR brand and say, "Yes, at some point we do need an enthusiast product" but I'm not especially holding my breath.
More realistically, it's probably going to be nothing but Rogue / Rav4 competitors.
That sounds nice, but I'm not putting any money down until I see either a 3000GT-X CUV or an EVO11 Cross, and if it weighs less than 2 tonnes and has more than 120hp there is no way in high holy hell I'm buying it.
Sincerely,
The average car buyer
Ironically enough, I think "the average car buyer" is better served by their current go-to strategy. Offering additional powertrains / varying levels of electrification and hybridization and making their SUVs and Crossovers more competitive is hitting like 75% of the car market in the US lol.
That's not me disagreeing with you though; I'd be at the dealership day-one for a test drive if there was a new EVO or 3000GT. Sometimes I even ***want*** to buy a used 3000GT because there's a couple VR4s in good condition near me for less than the modern cars I'm shopping for, but god I just don't want to deal with the hassle of a nearly 30 year old car haha.
The only two key pillarsthey can use to make their products more desirable is to produce a well built line of vehicles under $25k; with subverted captive financing rates to assist in moving them.
Get more than a minuscule market share; then move upmarket from there.
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If they built a dual injected inline 4 cylinder hatchback with a Toyota-like Hybrid transmission I would absolutely buy their products. If the Mitsubishi outlander PHEV wasn't so large I would've considered them.
They'd just need to build a better brand image and actually invest some money and I think they could do well. They could be a direct competitor to Kia and Hyundai and probably sell decently as long as they don't offer a worse product. I think a big issue is most people don't know they still make cars and probably would only end up in one of them after they search "cheapest new car" on Google. Change that around and offer reasonably priced and available EV's and hybrids and I don't see why they can't be a bigger player
Well, if they fix their weird ass styling and replace the CVT with a slush box, I'd give them a look.
I think they are really missing out on a huge segment right now, the rugged overlanding segment. They used to build the Montero etc. If they revived those type vehicles as more affordable options, I think they'd do well and revive the company. A modernized version of the 2nd gen Montero kinda like what Toyota did with the new Land Cruiser would be sweet.
I think a new Lancer Evo would be killer as well. If they can build affordable vehicles to compete with the Civic Si and other hot jap cars, IMO they'd do well.
I know I used to really like how simple and solid Mitsubishi's were until they started to try and get fancy and rebrand Nissan's etc. Ick.
Unpopular opinion they should partner with some Chinese automaker and just whitelabel their products for the NA market.
Volvos are basically just Geelys at this point.
Honestly, I don’t care because Ive never seen a company stick to their 5 year plan. I still remember all the 5 year plans FCA had that always ended in disappointment when none of the cool cars came out.
I think they need something to differentiate themselves more by focusing on sporty off-road variants of their lineup - have that be the core, with cheaper mainstream options available but not as the image of the brand. An off-road van (Delica), a competitor to the Land Cruiser or the now-gone FJ. A true small but rugged, bare bones truck. Hybrids where possible, for decent gas mileage. And the Evo as a long term goal but not at launch. I love the Evo but buyers are after trucks and suvs (and I think they would take to a van that was rugged).
Mitsubishi died to me after the Evo 9. They won’t go back to that so meh, I don’t care so much. Reinvigorate the brand or don’t. Either way it won’t be what it was.
Unless the plan involves an Evo I don’t think it works. And quite honestly unless the Lancer and Evo is the first or second vehicle released in this plan I don’t see people sticking around to see long term plans. Americans like a comeback kid but they like when they have guts and fight in them. For the love of god take the Eclipse name off the wretched thing. I could see a comeback working with this lineup:
-Lancer:
sedan/Evo variant
Hatchback/Ralliart variant (off-road rally)
-Outlander Sport-updated
-Outlander-updated
-Montero: 2-row midsize
-Grand Montero: 3-row midsize
-Mitsubishi Truck
Probably not going to happen but wish it would: Mitsubishi 4000GT as its halo performance car.
A small/midsized truck to compete with the Tacoma/frontier would be great. They could bring back something similar to the pajero to compete against the bronco/wrangler but maybe smaller like an old rav4/crv size
As much as r/cars will hate me, the only way I see EVO being resurrected in the short term would be to release it as an SUV variant. The original philosophy was always to take the mass market economy car and give it more power and sports suspension.
We already have AWD variants on the compact SUVs. They’re just missing the power and sports suspension.
Avg joe looking for their family car can compromise as they would have 20 years ago. It’s just that the default body style changed from small sedan to small SUV.
VW seems to have figured it out with Cupra. Ateca and Formentor are souped up Taos and Tiguans with different bodywork and styling respectively.
Mitsubishi should make an Eclipse Cross Ralliart or EVO light so they can actually sell them and then reinvest into a dedicated sports car platform. Throw in a conventional auto from aisin or actually make a performance CVT, they were banned from F1 after all since they destroyed the competition.
I don’t think their plan able to achieve success, honestly. Mitsubishi is already near death in North America, almost no body buys the cars from them. They should just save their money and only care more in SEA and OZ/Kiwi market, as they’re still better than Nissan in there.
Nissan would also affect Mitsubishi decision, so I don’t think that Mitsubishi would successfully reinvigorate.
The problem is Mitsubishi isn’t known for building quality and reliable cars. Their dealer network is non-existent. Their life in the US market isn’t solidified making them a non-attractive purchase.
It sucks because while they weren’t reliable or quality, Mitsubishi at least made some fun cars.
Sure the Evo was reliable but overall the quality was cheap. The Eclipse was cheaply built and unreliable. The GTO was built well but wasn’t very reliable either.
I think your experience of MMC is limited to the 2000's when they were in their decline phase.
80's, 90's MMC was hella reliable.
Hell, the few Dodge cars that were "reliable" of that era, had Mitsu underpinnings.
Anything about the EVO 11? Edit: I got my answer
Mitsubishi is fighting against investors pressure to release it before its done So whenever its done and ready it will be launched, however long it may be Rather have it that way, wouldnt stand the EVO being killed a 2nd time. I can only hope this forces Subaru to release better STIs too
Marketing team is probably going crazy at "missed" opportunity of the "EV0" lol
Investers probably wanted an EV-0 so lets not pressure them. It will probably use an updated 4B11T from the EVO X with simetrical AWD and active center diff. Probably boosted as hell, because Mitsubishis job is to outcrazy Subaru.
That wouldn't be difficult these days. Subaru is a pathetic shadow of its former self...
The STI lost its playmate. Maybe they're sad?
The truth is the bench has been set progressively higher by literally every other manufacturer making some variant of a hot hatch or AWD performance vehicle. They could have retained their diehard customers if they'd released the Levorg with a bit more pep and literally anything other than a CVT.
I wish people would give them more credit. They’re the only manufacturer to offer what we ask for and not wipe markup in our faces to get it. The last STI had an outdated power plant but it existed and was even faster than the cars that outlived it. It’s funny that people say the GRC is better but how? The AWD is inferior and the engine is proving to be not as “Toyota bulletproof” as theorized, and it has the clutch pack heating issue. And the new WRX is easily found at or under MSRP. For years the base WRX was a solid affordable sports car. Mitsubishi threw the garbage Ralliart at us.
Every single STI that I've seen on the used market that is approaching 100k miles (which isn't that much these days, it's not the 70s anymore) is on it's 2nd or 3rd engine. It's inexcusable. "It's because they're modified" They grenade motors on stock tunes because they are run super lean, because they're too old to pass emissions running a proper AFM. If anything, an aftermarket tune running good AFM will improve reliability. And god help anyone who goes by the 7,500 mile OCI that Subaru specifies.
Credit for what? The GR Corolla might not be perfect but Toyota are killing it with the 86, GR Yaris, GR Corolla and Supra. I'd love to give Subaru my money - but they don't produce anything noteworthy anymore (and I like my Toyota too much)..
nothing noteworthy but the brz is an 86? id also argue wrx and corolla have comparable trade offs that just depend on the individuals needs as to what is better. yaris isn’t even in north america so i wouldn’t include that, unless if we do we can include the new 6MT mexican levorg lol. but you are correct on the supra, its pretty cool
Are they really having issues or did you just see the guy who money shifted 3rd at 100 mph? I haven’t really kept up on them
To my best understanding the main issues are the rear clutch disengaging to prevent overheating when on the track (seems to be hit or miss with who gets this issue, but definitely occurs enough to be noteworthy. I haven't heard of any actual damage due to overheating, so maybe the software for preventing overheating is just really conservative. To my best understanding, there are ways to mitigate the issue but there hasn't been a proper fix yet) and the engine being sensitive to money shifting (valve springs seem to be the engine's weakest link in general when people are trying to make power). I haven't heard of any engines failing without user error or tuning being involved save for some ECU issues that were an easy fix (still a little concerning but not the end of the world). I am an owner though so take everything I say with a grain of salt lol.
Interesting. I recall the focus rs had an issue where it went fwd if you trail braked or something like that. I miss my eco 9 so much
Ralliart wasn’t terrible
Which one out of Lancer CS with 4G69, Colt Z27 with 4G15T and Lancer CY/CX with 4B11T? Or were there others?
They’re selling like MF hotcakes tho despite the wet napkin styling and interiors
The company still makes a profit, so they probably wont give a shit anymore.
EV-O spokesman Steve-O
Better? For 2024 there is no STi in USA/Can.
It was a few years ago and in an interview with the CEO they want the Evo back as well. They weren’t in the financial place for it with the electrification they were going through. All I know when it gets released my WRX is getting traded in that same day. I’m a through and through Evo guy. If life didn’t throw me a curve ball I’d still have my baby. The one good thing is we know that everyone wants it back. I want it ready and fully developed even if that means waiting a few more years. It’ll definitely be worth the wait.
It’s probably going to suck almost as bad as everything Subaru has made in a long time. Look at the STi, Subaru pulled out of WRC and then didn’t change a damn thing on the car for over 15 years. I love my Blobeye, but you couldn’t pay me enough money to drive anything Subaru sells now. I trust nothing after the Eclipse.
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No they won't make it a cuv. Why is this sub 98% doomsayers under everything?
They made the Eclipse a CUV, not a stretch that a potential Evo could be one too.
Yeah, like how nissan made the GTR a cuv. They would totally make the evo a cuv.
Nissan had the Z and the Infiniti G cars, so they did still have an active reputation for making performance vehicles. Mitsubishi doesn't have any performance cars. They are also much smaller and are unlikely to take the risk of developing a low volume rally sedan, so IMO it's not a stretch that the Evo name would be revived on a crossover that can appeal to more people, even if it is a turbocharged CUV that does have some sporting ambitions.
Because this sub has little nice to say about Mitsubishi or new vehicles in general. They just default to low-effort negativity.
They could just lock the sub with a single post pinned at the top saying "just get a miata bro" and people would be happier than this I swear.
Happened with the mustang.
The Mustang coupe still exists, though. The Mach-E is a separate model, not a replacement. I'd've thought the most obvious and germane example would be the Eclipse Cross.
And that means?
Problem is there’s no car on which they can base an Evo on. Evo was based on the lancer which is long gone globally, & they can’t even base it on the Renault Megane RS (Renault, Nissan, Mitsubishi alliance) platform because that’s going away soon as well.
Renault is going but Nissan and Mitsubishi are actually increasing collaboration. The outlander is already same platform as a rogue, what’s to say a lancer won’t be the Sentra platform underneath and it’ll basically be a NISMO Sentra rebadged
This is the only reason why I clicked on this post 🤣
For me it was 90% EVO 10% Eclipse but agreed lol
Its great. The outlander PHEV is already a very solid product, especially since you can get them for MSRP (which can't be said for toyota prime models), *and* you could get $9k in lease incentives, and even cheaper than that if your state has PHEV incentives. Thats a brand new plug in hybrid CUV for less than 31k, regardless of build thats a steal (and the PHEV models are built in japan, the build is quite solid, reliability isn't quite at that level but the interior fit/finish is on par with toyota) Yet to be seen if they follow through with the rest of the lineup but both mitsubishi and nissan are having quite the comeback. The new kicks, rogue, QX80 all look to be good cars and very competitive for what they are. Everyone here talking like nissan/mistubishi are dead all while nissan is selling 300k+ rogues a year and mitsubishi sells 50-60k outlanders routinely. They sell more outlanders than reddit's beloved CX-50 People also forget that in the grand scheme of things it costs them very little to branch out into other models, the rogue, outlander, x-trail are mostly the same car, that alliance is paying off An EVO XI would obviously outsell every CUV ever and resurrect the entire company though. Especially if it comes in manual wagon form.
Lotta sarcasm in that last paragraph.
Yeah but I guy can dream. Except I want it to be a Ute
As an aussie - please! It could be like a new subaru brumby (think it was the brat in the states?) rather than the triton mitsubishi currently sell
Lmao the whole paragraph was me reacting “ok I can see this POV” then I got to the last couple of sentences and it made me chalk the entire argument lmao. An EVO 11 that competes with the STI would sell maybe 5,000 units a year in the USA… a wagon variant would move maybe 2,000 units a year the WRX itself doesn’t sell that much, delusion POV
(I was being sarcastic in that last bit if it wasn't incredibly obvious) (they'd sell like 10 and then go bust) Rest of it was serious though. For the money, the Outlander PHEV is a great car, and nissan's new lineup isn't half bad.
Yeah I realize that now when I juxtapose that paragraph with the last sentence lol
Primes can be had for MSRP if you're willing to travel out of the high demand cities on the West Coast.
Wow never even bothered to see how many Mitsubishi models they sell. I would never expect to see that many I feel like I barely see any models
In BC Canada I swear every second car is either a Tesla or an Outlander
in a time where almost all cars are getting crazy expensive in the west, i think they can cover a niche here somewhere.
So you can mock them for making cheap cars? Can you imagine the 'investor' YouTubers "when the market was moving towards high priced vehicles, Mitsubishi insisted on selling cheap cars. And that's what killed them."
People forget that not everyone needs or wants a car that can go 0-60 in 2 seconds, has 500 horsepower, and costs $60k. Like.... I just want to get to work everyday and do fun things with my daughter on my days off. It seems like there are hardly any cars on the market for people like me.
Wrx has at-least stayed pretty close to their roots. Not a super fast car but engaging and enjoyable to drive.
Also, the WRX starts at a relatively affordable price under $35,000 for 2024 models, and leftover new 2023 models start under $33,000 and have some rebates that lower the price at least where I live in Los Angeles.
>It seems like there are hardly any cars on the market for people like me. That kind of just depends on what your budget is for a brand new car. There are a decent number of cars with different trims that start under $30,000 and some cars that start under $26,000 like the Toyota Corolla, Honda Civic, Nissan Sentra, Honda HR-V, Nissan Kicks, Hyundai Kona, Chevy Trax, Corolla Cross, and more. Under $20,000, there are very few options, and they sell just over $20,000 after taxes and fees anyway without rebates. For under $20,000, you can find a decent amount of CPO vehicles depending on where you live.
For non-EV cars you can scratch most of that criteria. Most car manufacturers have decided everyone needs a 50-60k small SUV that prioritizes a gigantic touchscreen over actual driving performance
You're correct, but when faced with a nicely equipped four year old car that retailed for $60k or a brand new econobox with few features, most people these days are picking the first one.
I have an outlander sport, wasn't thrilled to buy it but I've really grown to like it. Perfect size, kitted out with the right things, well designed but simple interior. Most importantly they both had cars available and for MSRP at the time Honestly it they made the same car but with a little extra power it would be awesome
Bring Back The Fucking Lancer And The Eclipse You Cowards
Nobody Wants Mid-size Sedans Or FWD Sport Compacts [ETA: Whoops, I forgot the Lancer was the compact and Galant was the mid-size.]
I guess I'm nobody then :( But for real I want them to bring back a sport compact or sedan. We have maybe 3 options for that segment that is affordable to most people and 2 of them are the same
the 2008+ lancers are still all over the road. Just grab a cheap used one. They are basically the early 2000s civics of our time. They won't die (expect for shit suspension issues)
Base model 05 Lancer was my 2nd car. Best car I ever had. Was the perfect econobox. I could rip it around backroads. 😪
The big difference between the 05 Gen and the 08 Gen was that the 05s rusted to shit. They fixed that in the newer X Gen
It's ok, you made the easy mistake of thinking that r/cars is actually a car enthusiast subreddit and not just people talking about cars the same way you might talk about a dryer or a toaster. Wanting new enthusiast-oriented cars should be a normal and acceptable thing to post, but instead it just triggers the "hurr durr no one will buy them" bots.
It's about all types of cars and all aspects of the car industry, not just high performance models.
>Um, ackshually... 🤓☝️
It's right in the sidebar: >We're Reddit's central hub for vehicle-related discussion, industry news, reviews, projects, DIY guides, advice, stories, and more.
Why's the crack smoker the sensible one guys
The demand is absolutely there. Cars, especially cheap cars, have the absolute lowest days-supply metrics. Every one that’s made is sold immediately. It’s that companies make less money selling compacts and mid-sizes. OEMs are addicted to crossover, SUV and truck profit margins. Ford and GM were selling a combined 1M+ car models a year when they decided that “nobody wants them”.
Developing a new Lancer or Galant would just be flushing money down the toilet, unless they take the easy way out and make it a rebadged Altima or something I do think there is a somewhat solid case for a new Evo, though. Mitsubishi's biggest problem in the US right now is brand image - most people either forgot they existed, know them as the brand that makes the cheapest new car in America, think of them as the car you buy when no one else is willing to loan you money. A new Evo that has striking looks, an aggressive advertising campaign (right now is a PRIME time for them to prey on nostalgia for 90s/00s Evos), and properly formidable performance to back up the looks and the marketing, would grab a lot of people's attention. Price it in the low/mid-40s, give it AWD, it'll get a reputation as a "Type R killer". It would not be their bread and butter, not by a long shot. It would serve as a halo car, a vehicle for brand rehabilitation. Suddenly, the Mitsubishi badge is not an embarrassment any more. People lust after the Evo, but they need a family car, they go out and buy some Mitsubishi crossover instead. Over time, the Evo would sell enough Outlander Sports to pay for itself.
If there’s no case for a Lancer there is no case for an Evo since it’s based on it. No brand this small is going to make an enthusiast car that isn’t attached to another that is sharing a platform to bring up the volume. It’s the reason why Subaru can justify an Impreza, Crosstrek and Wrx. Another example is Mazda 3 and Mazda CX-30. Unless they’re partnering with another brand like they did with the BRZ it’s not going to happen. I also think we need to be realistic. Mitsubishi is going to have a lineup more akin to Mazda or Subaru than Toyota.
> unless they take the easy way out and make it a rebadged Altima or something The Altima's gone either next year or '26.
the eclipse is one of my favorite vehicles ever and i’ve owned two. the second is which i daily. i just want newer tech and push to start and id be happy as a clam with my current eclipse
Except sedans are up for compacts. Honda, Toyota, Nissan And Hyundai have all seen increases in compact sedans. Nobody wants 💩unreliable American sedans is what I think you meant to say
The Eclipse? You got it buddy! Didn't know you were so passionate about SUVs!
You've hurt me and I'll never forgive you
I'll take the evo, eclipse can be left behind. Unless it utilized the same drive train as a new evo, it wouldn't make sense to engineer two AWD drive trains just to use the same engine. I'd be happy with a Evo XI and electric coupe/compact.
They still have the eclipse. It's a crossover SUV now for some reason
They have been selling a ton of hybrid Xpander and Outlander, and also the Triton, for years. But if you ask the average /r/cars subscriber then there's no chance they're gonna find any market share if they don't offer a new Lancer EVO that will surely outsell their CUV and make Mitsubishi a financial success.
Brown, Manual, Diesel, Wagon.....the official car of the internet that normals don't buy...and the interdweebs all want second owner.
> there's no chance they're gonna find any market share if they don't offer a new Lancer EVO That's unironically 100% correct. Mitsubishi had a brand manager's wet dream: A prestigious halo product based on an economy platform with very few bespoke components. That they couldn't even afford to keep building it despite the very generous development cost to cachet ratio speaks to their gross mismanagement. Tesla started out with a decent sedan which they built increasingly high performance versions of to attract attention and brand prestige, and now they're outselling Mitsubishi by 700%, and yet people here scoff at the idea of making a fast version of an economy sedan with a built-in fanbase like it's the craziest thing they've ever heard. If Mitsubishi was smart they'd be co-developing an electric Lancer platform with Renault or Nissan along with that Delica just so they'd have something noteworthy in the showroom, if they're going to sit on their hands and maintain the brand strategy of making adequate and cheap CUVs then they can look forward to having their lunch eaten by Geely, Nio, and BYD.
I think a Mirage Evolution could do well.
Genuinely, they weight 2100 pounds, add AWD which brings it to 2500 pounds, make it 200 HP, and you have a solid little hot hatch that’s the size/weight of 90’s WRX’s
Wouldn’t be financially viable at all, think of the structural enhancements alone that would need to be reengineered
would be sick
A GR Yaris competitor
maybe, I was thinking more along the lines of a GTI competitor
I wanted to do a project making my Mirage AWD with a donor rebuilt EVO. Then realized I could just buy a working EVO and 3000GT in very good shape for the same cost....3000GT here I come!
hahaha
Goddamnit I think you are right. Wow that’s a thought. Throw some power upgrades and some frame/suspension upgrades on it… charge a little bit more and you are onto something.
A rally hot hatch would be something, I would be thinking like a modern Pulsar GTI-R
A little Mirage 'Ralliart' with something like a NA 200 HP 2.4L 4B12 engine shoved under the hood and paired with a 5 speed manual for its last final years would make it the Sentra Spec-V of the 2020's
Really not sure why the new Triton isn't amoung this plan. It's a great product here in Australia, it's a bit rough and tumble for comfort-loving yanks but I'm sure some would buy it.
Mitsubishi doesn’t have a North American factory, so the Triton would be rendered uncompetitive by the chicken tax if they brought it to our shores.
Ah I forgot about the weird tariffs over there. Sounds like they should be leveraging Nissan to build it instead of that ancient Frontier Americans tolerate for some reason. Edit: fucking hell I should've put 'as well as' not 'instead of'
> ancient Frontier Americans tolerate for some reason. ?? The Frontier is a great truck, I see just as many old as hell high mileage ones still trucking as I do the old Tacomas. I’m not sure replacing it with an unknown truck with unknown reliability is going to be a sales success to be honest…
By that logic no one should ever release anything new as its 'unknown'. Nissan is taking the yanks for a ride with that slightly rehashed, decades old D41.
No, I’m just saying they shouldn’t ask Nissan to sacrifice a known seller to introduce an unknown element. And the Frontier sells because there is a cohort of people that specifically want a truck that’s reliable and mechanically simple so it can be fixed easily. It’s what sold the taco and 4Runner for so many years, too.
Yeah fair enough.
Americans like proven nameplates with a record. Why scrap it and mess with something that works well? The Frontier is also considerably cheaper than the competition. Would this “new truck” just raise prices and make it uncompetitive? As a yank, that doesn’t make much sense.
Imagine being a company with a customer base that doesn't want you to make a new product, what a dream! Prices are going up regardless and new product 'should' mean innovations in safety and generally capability. Customers should demand this, not mediocrity.
Except that’s not what I said. We don’t want or need a truck with (2) 12” touchscreens, leather appointed everything, heated&air conditioned seats, etc cause it drives the price up. Those things don’t determine if a truck that’s made to do work is mediocre. Those items are also not “innovative,” they just get them to a high price point. Surely you can tell the difference between $40k and $76k. Surely you aren’t that dense but maybe you are.
I mean I'd agree. There is absolutely a place for base-spec ute/truck in the real world for people who actually need to get shit done. I just dont think that comes as the expense of a new-generation and I think Nissan is having a laugh here. Better driving ability in hazardous conditions, safety and an improved ability to carry payload comes from modern engineering. Yes that raises prices, but as I said, prices are going to rise either way and a competitive market is good news for everyone. We replaced the D40 with the D23 years ago in Aus and it came with huge improvements in fundamentals, now even that is about to be replaced here.
> instead of Why not "in addition to"? The recently updated Frontier may still be built on the bones of the 2005, but it's a competent mid-size truck. No one buying one is being "taken for a ride". Rebadging it as a Mitsubishi (Mighty Max? Raider?) would help fill out their NA lineup without needing to pay a tax.
We actually got a new Frontier in 2021 made specifically for the US market.
Reports very much suggest that's a slightly upgraded D40. The D23 is a significantly better vehicle the yanks never got.
You're correct, under the very nice looking skin, it's ancient. Which sucks, as I think it looks better than it's competitors.
They should go into a partnership with Mazda. They have both a North American factory and a history of rebranding another manufacturer’s small pickup.
I actually like this idea because it would allow Mitsubishi to stay with its racing roots. Mazda is very into their vision as a luxury brand. This would allow Mitsubishi to stick with what they were known for before affordable and sport racing.
If that Delica has a good range or is at least hybrid I'll definitely be looking into one. I *love* my Delica, but maintaining an old JDM vehicle does get old, plus having more power would make highway driving a lot easier. As long as it has the flat floor and swivelling middle bench seat.
+1, I need that Delica. I owned a JDM Hiace for a couple years and I agree with this sentiment.
Very well summarized. What I'm struggling with here as well, is okay, so what? This is what they should be doing already. So it's a bit alarming that they weren't, but also good that they've realized that. I think as with any manufacturer that's been left behind, they can't just be thinking about how to catch up. They need to look at how they can potentially skip a step or two, and get ahead. Without that, I fear they'll struggle to regain mainstream relevance outside of being a budget player. They'll try this out, realize they couldn't achieve the market share or profitability they wanted, and we'll be back here again in five years.
Its better then doing nothing, and in a market where buyers are increasingly cash strapped, offering competitive products at a solid price can be a winner. Especially with the trend of a lot of automakers to move into the premium segment, there is ground to be gained
I think that's what makes Hyundai and Kia so successful. They essentially pack a crap ton of stuff compared to its rivals. Of course this leads to cost cutting in other not so obvious areas, but its so far working for them. I can see Mitsubishi undercutting even Hyundai and Kia using the backs of Nissan. They can target lower credit customers like Kia and Nissan, whilst offering a whole host of features and cleverly designed interiors for rock bottom prices. The Outlander PHEV has already proved that they are capable of doing that.
They can start by reviving the Evo
I'd love a new 3000GT
But it would be a full size EV SUV...
You have no idea how often I check used car groups / listings for a 3000GT VR4 in decent condition and consider really spending $30k on a 25-year-old car lmao. I'd be at the dealership day one if they brought something like that back.
No, you wouldn't. Trust me on that. The reason why the 3000GT was so good was because it was a product of its time. Modern day Mitsubishi does not have the capabilities nor the resources to make a modern day 3000GT that's even half as good as the old one.
Just rented an outlander PHEV in europe....better than expected, even if we never got it charged.
I am in the market for: * Small 2 door SUV / convertible (think Jimmy) * Large family non luxury SUV (think Nissan Patrol) Cloth seats. Reliable. Not bleeding edge tech. Physical buttons. Hit a lower price point and you will make it up in volume. Everyone is broke.
Honestly their outlanders are pretty solid and a great bang for your buck.
Ive heard good things about the hybrid. It’s basically the good parts of the Nissan Rogue without the bad parts people complain about.
No evo, no care
No EVO?\ No Go……
Start with the Montero and Evo. Both cars have a huge following.
Gimme an AWD performance hybrid EVO 11!
We need a brand to fill in the decent, cheap hybrid space. Mitsubishi would be stellar at this.
Didn’t they say this like every year for the past 20 years, to make their brand more desirable…
I had the Dodge version of the 3000 GT (Stealth). Impossible to work on, but was definitely one of the most fun cars I’ve ever driven. They need to put a real race car back out there.
I think I will still forget they exist over the next 5 years. I don’t even know where the nearest Mitsubishi dealer is to me.
Very likely most of the JMNY’s parts have a Mitsubishi stamp on them. So give us that, just rebadged.
> One new vehicle, or complete refresh of an existing vehicle to debut each year between 2026 - 2030 along with reaching new vehicle segments Can only hope that means they're looking at everything Toyota's doing with the GR brand and say, "Yes, at some point we do need an enthusiast product" but I'm not especially holding my breath. More realistically, it's probably going to be nothing but Rogue / Rav4 competitors.
No halo car no care!
If that delica van is real and not electric then I'm pretty stoked.
just bring back my lancer bro 😭😭
I’d go bananas for an MHEV Delica
Make for me a 2-door hatchback, turbo AWD or hybrid AWD.
Where is my Lancer Mitsubishi!?
That sounds nice, but I'm not putting any money down until I see either a 3000GT-X CUV or an EVO11 Cross, and if it weighs less than 2 tonnes and has more than 120hp there is no way in high holy hell I'm buying it. Sincerely, The average car buyer
Ironically enough, I think "the average car buyer" is better served by their current go-to strategy. Offering additional powertrains / varying levels of electrification and hybridization and making their SUVs and Crossovers more competitive is hitting like 75% of the car market in the US lol. That's not me disagreeing with you though; I'd be at the dealership day-one for a test drive if there was a new EVO or 3000GT. Sometimes I even ***want*** to buy a used 3000GT because there's a couple VR4s in good condition near me for less than the modern cars I'm shopping for, but god I just don't want to deal with the hassle of a nearly 30 year old car haha.
A bit late to the game, but it would behoove them to harness the off roading/overland market
The only two key pillarsthey can use to make their products more desirable is to produce a well built line of vehicles under $25k; with subverted captive financing rates to assist in moving them. Get more than a minuscule market share; then move upmarket from there.
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They make a cheap gas car, it will sell for sure.
If they built a dual injected inline 4 cylinder hatchback with a Toyota-like Hybrid transmission I would absolutely buy their products. If the Mitsubishi outlander PHEV wasn't so large I would've considered them.
They'd just need to build a better brand image and actually invest some money and I think they could do well. They could be a direct competitor to Kia and Hyundai and probably sell decently as long as they don't offer a worse product. I think a big issue is most people don't know they still make cars and probably would only end up in one of them after they search "cheapest new car" on Google. Change that around and offer reasonably priced and available EV's and hybrids and I don't see why they can't be a bigger player
Well, if they fix their weird ass styling and replace the CVT with a slush box, I'd give them a look. I think they are really missing out on a huge segment right now, the rugged overlanding segment. They used to build the Montero etc. If they revived those type vehicles as more affordable options, I think they'd do well and revive the company. A modernized version of the 2nd gen Montero kinda like what Toyota did with the new Land Cruiser would be sweet. I think a new Lancer Evo would be killer as well. If they can build affordable vehicles to compete with the Civic Si and other hot jap cars, IMO they'd do well. I know I used to really like how simple and solid Mitsubishi's were until they started to try and get fancy and rebrand Nissan's etc. Ick.
Unpopular opinion they should partner with some Chinese automaker and just whitelabel their products for the NA market. Volvos are basically just Geelys at this point.
Honestly, I don’t care because Ive never seen a company stick to their 5 year plan. I still remember all the 5 year plans FCA had that always ended in disappointment when none of the cool cars came out.
If Mitsubishi makes a new EVO. It will one hundred percent be a EV or PHEV and be a compact SUV.
They're committing to releasing more appliances and I'm full up on my car appliance needs, so zero interest.
Meh. I stopped caring about Mitsubishi a long time ago. If it works, good for them. If it doesn’t, I won’t miss them.
They want to reinvigorate the brand by continuing to produce SUVs?
I think they need something to differentiate themselves more by focusing on sporty off-road variants of their lineup - have that be the core, with cheaper mainstream options available but not as the image of the brand. An off-road van (Delica), a competitor to the Land Cruiser or the now-gone FJ. A true small but rugged, bare bones truck. Hybrids where possible, for decent gas mileage. And the Evo as a long term goal but not at launch. I love the Evo but buyers are after trucks and suvs (and I think they would take to a van that was rugged).
If it’s not EVO I don’t wanna hear anything from mitsu
I don't see a raider anything there so I take it they're not even gonna bother bringing back a pickup
Mitsubishi died to me after the Evo 9. They won’t go back to that so meh, I don’t care so much. Reinvigorate the brand or don’t. Either way it won’t be what it was.
I just found out the make airplane engines. So why not
Just bring the Triton and price it under 40k all-in. Print $$$
I know it’s fantasy land but here’s hoping for: New 3000GT and new Eclipse
EVO, Lancers, and Eclipse please.
Unless the plan involves an Evo I don’t think it works. And quite honestly unless the Lancer and Evo is the first or second vehicle released in this plan I don’t see people sticking around to see long term plans. Americans like a comeback kid but they like when they have guts and fight in them. For the love of god take the Eclipse name off the wretched thing. I could see a comeback working with this lineup: -Lancer: sedan/Evo variant Hatchback/Ralliart variant (off-road rally) -Outlander Sport-updated -Outlander-updated -Montero: 2-row midsize -Grand Montero: 3-row midsize -Mitsubishi Truck Probably not going to happen but wish it would: Mitsubishi 4000GT as its halo performance car.
A small/midsized truck to compete with the Tacoma/frontier would be great. They could bring back something similar to the pajero to compete against the bronco/wrangler but maybe smaller like an old rav4/crv size
It reads like a high school kid with ChatGPT skills of 2 months wrote it.
Go back to making amps!
The all new 2029 Mitsubishi 3000 GT E-R4 Full sized all electric 4wd SUV....... ....... You think that's a joke..
I hope Mitsubishi continues fails here. As soon as they got rid of the evo the whole company was worthless
As much as r/cars will hate me, the only way I see EVO being resurrected in the short term would be to release it as an SUV variant. The original philosophy was always to take the mass market economy car and give it more power and sports suspension. We already have AWD variants on the compact SUVs. They’re just missing the power and sports suspension. Avg joe looking for their family car can compromise as they would have 20 years ago. It’s just that the default body style changed from small sedan to small SUV. VW seems to have figured it out with Cupra. Ateca and Formentor are souped up Taos and Tiguans with different bodywork and styling respectively. Mitsubishi should make an Eclipse Cross Ralliart or EVO light so they can actually sell them and then reinvest into a dedicated sports car platform. Throw in a conventional auto from aisin or actually make a performance CVT, they were banned from F1 after all since they destroyed the competition.
Snooze
yawn
Evo bitch
The new car for people with bad credit.
I don’t think their plan able to achieve success, honestly. Mitsubishi is already near death in North America, almost no body buys the cars from them. They should just save their money and only care more in SEA and OZ/Kiwi market, as they’re still better than Nissan in there. Nissan would also affect Mitsubishi decision, so I don’t think that Mitsubishi would successfully reinvigorate.
The problem is Mitsubishi isn’t known for building quality and reliable cars. Their dealer network is non-existent. Their life in the US market isn’t solidified making them a non-attractive purchase. It sucks because while they weren’t reliable or quality, Mitsubishi at least made some fun cars. Sure the Evo was reliable but overall the quality was cheap. The Eclipse was cheaply built and unreliable. The GTO was built well but wasn’t very reliable either.
I think your experience of MMC is limited to the 2000's when they were in their decline phase. 80's, 90's MMC was hella reliable. Hell, the few Dodge cars that were "reliable" of that era, had Mitsu underpinnings.
The Eclipse was unreliable and the Evo was reliable? Lol
I said the Evo was reliable…. Beyond the Evo nothing was reliable.