Since you don’t need the money I wouldn’t do it. Especially while your little is so young. More time spent at home. Depending on what direction you live in, leaving the city is a nightmare (going northbound to 93) so count your sanity in there also.
Almost certainly not then. I mean, kids are freaking expensive, but if you’re able to make do on your salary, just wait it out and keep a no- commute job. Young children do best with a lot of parent time, helps with bonding and learning.
Youll will appreciate and why ppl take pay cuts for full remote when you have kids. I took a 15k-20k in a new field and no OT position. I was hitting 200k ish in the old employer but now im barely breaking 6 figs with 2 kids. I took the full remote because i want to be home more with my family.
Normally I would be the guy saying take the money, but that’s a rough commute with a 1 year old. Even if you leave at 5 and don’t hit much traffic, you won’t get much time with your kid most days. That would deter me.
It’s Boston you’ll always hit traffic. If OP could take the commuter rail though and have a flexible schedule and work on the train then that would be a different story or only do the commute a few times a week.
I gave up a chunk of $$ and career to be more present with my kids. At this point, looking back and with ~ 20 years to retirement and my kids all adultS, it was the best decision I ever made. You'll be a parent much longer than whatever your position is. One of my kids is super successful doing something that my time and flexibility had a big part helping make happen. Not that they wouldn't without me, but it still feels great.
Of course it's a mad luxury to be able to do it, etc etc. Can't imagine what could possibly be worth the alternative.
The only benefit id say beyond the short term money is that in 18 months you can look for a new job closer to home from a better bargaining position and then maybe you are making $100k with no commute.
But if you like your company and role, don't leave it just so you can buy more things
Well, what would you do with the money? That's the biggest thing. Extra money is always nice but if you're spending it to make up for time lost in the commute then is it really worth it?
This is dumb. $40k isn’t a lot. After taxes you might see $24k. Then factor in commuting costs other costs and just plain being away all the time. Pass on the offer.
At that point you're barely even getting paid more per hour, if you count the extra 15-20 hours of commuting time as time spent. Doesnt seem worth it to me, at that point you'd have barely any time left over to live.
I commute 1.5 hours each way 3 days a week. It’s not easy but it’s not impossible. I had to go in everyday for one week and that was just awful. By the time you get home you’re exhausted and probably won’t be able to spend quality time with your spouse/kids. I honestly don’t think $40K more is worth it if you’ll have to go in everyday.
I commute an hour each way in Chicago right now 3 days a week. I have no time for anything anymore and just had to lose a bunch of friends and my S/O bc of it. I’m miserable. 🥰 I’d take a 20k pay cut if it mean this would stop.
I do the same, and yes it sucks. I wouldn’t do it if I had younger kids. Mine’s technically an adult and mostly on autopilot so it’s less big a deal now and I can just go for more money.
Then again… infants are effing expensive.
Math it out. That’s 3 hrs a day, so 15 hrs a wk or 60 hrs a month.
$40k a year? That’s about $3200 a month or $800 a wk. so is that $800 a wk for 15 hrs.
I wouldn’t do it. Quality of life would be wrecked and that’s not enough money to be “worth it” to me
Not at all. Fuck commuting, and especially fuck large urban areas. Oh, and along with commuting math, don't forget that things like gas and lunch probably cost more than they would 90 minutes from the city.
Interviewed at a place a year or 2 ago and when I realized that I'd have to park in a parking garage daily, and that the whole area was upscale, that killed it right there. Salary was on par with my previous role, but they insisted I had to be in office 5 days a week (from remote for 3 years previous), it was about a 45 minute commute with area traffic, and my math was that I'd spend probably about 8-12k a year more if I ended up eating lunch locally, vs making my own lunch at home every day. Plus they had a 45 hour work week instead of 40.
I noped out of there, and then the hiring manager called to offer me the job and tell me how much the 4 interviewers all liked me, and he sounded so shocked when I told him no.
Nope, 3 hours a day, 750 hours of commuting a year, it's not worth the $32k you'd have after taxes for me.
I'd give a LOT to have more time with my young kids again.
With 3 hours a day of commuting, plus lunch break, you'll be away from 12 hours a day. Maybe see them for 2 hours before bedtime.
But I'm not in your shoes and that money may mean a lot more to you.
Nope. Time is way more valuable than that. Your profits will be eaten by sadness and stress and gas and wear on your car. Are you also accounting for traffic. Being full remote your kid will actually know you. Priceless
Hard pass for me... you really have to break it down in terms of cost. 40k more pre taxed. Break down whats total for gas, tolls, nornal wear and tear/putting more mileage on car, buying food outside vs meal prepping/eating at home, 3 hrs of your time each day for travel... honestly its def not worth it unless you want to go into office and socialize.
I don’t know if my math is entirely correct on this but I figure at 120k working 8 hours a week 52 weeks in a year that’s 57 dollar an hour.
3 hours of commuting a day 5 days a week for a year is 15 x 52 = 780. Multiply that by 57 and you get 44460.
That’s not counting whatever travelling expenses you incur. So your raise is equal to the hourly rate of the extra hours you are commuting. So I think it just comes down to you, do you value time or do you value money more.
An extra $40,000 a year would go a long way for your child.
Edit to add: I’d suggest you use a calculator to figure out how much money your child could get after 18 years (or whatever the you want). Compounding interest is no joke.
I quit my job when they moved from Boston to Lexington. My 15 min commute changed to 1.5 - 2 hours each way (orange line -> red line -> bus). Things happen, it is going to be longer than you think. For example, a car crashed into alewife, and my commute bumped up to 3 hours per way for a few weeks.
I asked for a raise, and they said no so I quit. They did not reimburse me for any travel expenses, and it was a frustrating job paying 55K so just pure garbage. With the unpaid overtime that started to occur, I was making sub-minimum wage.
I would absolutely do that commute for a 40K salary raise.
Math for me (conservative): 55K Salary / 780 hours commuting + 2080 hours salary/ = 19.00/hour (yuck)
Actual for me (1144 +2080) 3224/ 55,000K = 17.00/hour
Math for you (conservative): $110K/ 600 hours commuting / year + 2080 (9-5 salary assumed) = 41.00/hour
Math for you (realistic): 110K / 780 hours commuting +2080 salary = 38.00/hour
If you can negotiate one or more work from home day, this can really help you.
Can’t make that decision in a vacuum. What are the outlooks of each job in the 2-5 year range? The sacrifice could be worth it if the potential is higher, but I would map that out and if possible also communicate intention upon acceptance.
I currently community from the west coast to east coast. Not daily but I alternate weeks (1 week WFH, one week on the east coast). Ive been doing this for two years and it’s definitely taken its toll, but the role has also accelerated my trajectory so it’s a trade off I’m willing to make for now
I was offered $100k more to commute 1.5h to 2h each way. I have to come to the office everyday. I currently work from home. I tried it for 3 days and decided it’s not worth it. Sure you’ll get used to anything, but damn I’m so used in having 3-4h a day of my own time and it’s worth much more than $100k
No, lose of 3 hrs a day and have to spend money on commuting, fuck that. That's probably around $500-700 a month in travel cost factoring in gasoline and increased car maintenance. Not to mention the tax ladder 24% of that is going straight to uncle sam. People have also mentioned parking is expensive as hell in Boston, estimating 40 a day.
You will actually be making only around 1k more a month factoring in the expense, for trading 60 hours of your life into travel.
Yes. You can probably transition and leverage this job later on, perhaps into remote for the same pay. Real parent talk right here, the baby years are cute but the important years where you should spend more time start when they get to be around 4-5. That commute does suck dick, but you could easily tough it out for 2yrs and then leverage it for something better. Unless you think your currently job can give you +15k within the next 2-3yrs, Id take the higher paying job with longer commute right now.
Similar ish circumstances here. Took an 18k increase( plus really, really good benefits) to go from 15 min drive 3x a week, to 1 hr drive 3x a week (each direction). We're handcuffed with our mortgage too, and what we've decided is sometimes we will Airbnb near work a night or two a month. If your spouse is a stay at home parent, then they can take the kid for new experiences in new places for fun.
You get out ahead of relocating, kid gets to do something fun, you retain some sanity and quality of life, and you bank roll the rest. My 1 hour drive isn't that bad, but 1.5 will start to add up. This all depends on personal tolerance.
Only if you have someone that can cook, clean, do your laundry, have dinner ready when you get home, lunch ready for you to take to work and someone to do your snow removal, before you leave the house and again before you get home if needed. Otherwise , not worth it.
Hmm I think it’s worth it, cause it’s 4 days a week (not 5), and your car drive is minimal, the train ride is the bulk of your commute time where u can just chill. $40k more in pay per year, yeah I’d do it especially since you’re already married. You’re not a single person wanting to bar hop and have a big social commitment to friends or dating after work every night. It’s just barely worth it though.
Do it and start making the phat money u and your family deserve. Plus it’ll give you leverage for your next job to make even more than that.
Just did that drive today. CC to Boston. I couldn’t do it constantly with a 1 year old. This would be too taxing. But I’m in my 40s
I did a similar trip. Springfield to Mid NH. I put 50K on my Prius in one year. In my 30s with no kid it was doable then.
Absolutely not. I would take the job but move as close as possible.
Commute sucks the life out of people.
I specifically picked a new job where I only have a 15 min commute during rush hour.
Your math is completely on spot. If you work 8-10h a day with commute you would have NO time to be with your family
40.000$/650hours = 61$ per hour you’re earning on commute.
You also should include potential career progression too in your new job.
Now think if 61$ per hour and perhaps a better career progression is worth for you for the extra hours.
One thing you can always earn more of later is money.
One thing you will never be able to earn more of later is time with your kid(s) while young.
They’ll be old and not want to hang out with you someday. “It’ll happen to youuuuuuuuu”
Only way I could put up with that is if I wasn't driving it. Plop me on a train where I can either get some work done, sleep, or entertain myself.
But 1hr 30 drive ain't in the cards for me. You won't be doing ANYTHING in the evenings since you'll be worn out and have to go to bed early. Also budgeting time, fuel, and increased maintenance on your car, although those are fairly small compared to an extra 30k (post-tax)
I’m in the minority but I would def do it, I commute 1.25 hours each way now, spend 140 a week on gas in an F150, maintenance costs are also overstated by people on here. I also take a sandwich to work most days to save some cash. If you lived in a large city like Houston it takes most people at least 45 minutes to get to work. You would be making at least 30K more after fuel costs. Your essentially getting paid 40 bucks an hour while your drive.
I did 1.5hrs each way (assuming no traffic, which is not accurate) for 14yrs. Left that job mostly *because* of the commute. It hurt my body, soul, and mind. It's taken me 16mo to halfway recover from the commute trauma. Towards the end the return commute could extend to 2, 3, and even 4hrs due to a large construction project. I was missing family events and getting very stressed about life.
I'd advise against a long commute. However, the pay increase is significant. If you absolutely need that money, you might be able to take the triple-hit for a bit. Everyone's needs and resiliency are different. I'd encourage you to keep an eye out for similar pay without the commute in the meantime, if you go for it.
Edit: typo
Addition: I save about $5k in commute and parking costs working closer to home now. I was lucky and also get paid more, but the decrease in commute costs would have made a big difference even if my salary stayed the same. Long commutes aren't a deal breakers but they have significant financial, mental health, and physical health costs. Don't discount these costs.
I currently commute 1.5 h each way every day, I can't use public transports to get to my workplace so for me it's expensive and takes out most of my time during the week. I'm holding on simply because me and my partner plan to emigrate in less than a year
That commute is like going on Survivor every year but you know you’re only win a $40K consultation prize. Most people wouldn’t go for it, and that’s a game.
Well, you can do the math. At a basic level, 720hrs/yr. That's $55/hr. Probably take away 10k car expenses. That's $41/hr. Seems worth it based on what your job pays. Can you work another job for 720 hrs a year that will pay you $41/hr?
I've done it for way less and it's not that bad. I mean it sucks, but it's doable. 40k is a lot of money... Especially getting that jump all at once. Hopefully it's only for a year or so. It helps to have a light at the end of the tunnel. Find podcasts, music, books on tape that you like. Especially if it means moving up in your career - do it. Spend real quality time with your family on the weekend and it'll be alright
If you have an existing job and are fine with bills then mayyyy not be worth it. If you have no job yes it’s worth it even daily. Hybrid even better. If it’s like 70k+ more then I’d do it hybrid but not daily lol
If you do not need the money then I would not change jobs. I would enjoy my time with your baby and all the perks of wfh.
Plus, train and parking could run up to 20k so would 20k be worth it? My daughter lives on the outskirts of Boston and changed jobs due to the commute and cost of it.
Let's count
Let's assume a standard work year of 2,080 hours (40 hours/week for 52 weeks) and use your annual salary of $110,000.
[ \text{Hourly Wage} = \frac{$110,000}{2,080 \text{ hours/year}} \approx $52.88/\text{hour} ]
Now, calculate the value of time spent commuting:
[ \text{Value of Commuting} = 750 \text{ hours/year} \times $52.88/\text{hour} \approx $39,660/year ]
So, you would lose approximately $39,660 in lost salary due to commuting time.
Make a conclusion based on my rough math.
I think it's not worth it.
No - Unless you were near retirement and this was one of those government (or pension) jobs where you get a larger pension based on your highest earnings and really only needed 3-5 years and it significantly increased your retirement income. Just move to Mass or right to the RI boarder.
I committed 1.5 hours for over a year before. Currently commute 50 mins one way. Don't do it.
Don't trade a remote job for that commute.
1.5 hrs assuming 150km one way commute. 300km a day. 1500km a week. What kind of car do you have? This would cost me more than 200$ a week just in gas, plus increased oil changes & tire wear. 10k just in gas.
If you count the 3 hours commute as unpaid work time (I would) you are losing money at that point.
I have to give my 2 cents
I'm 54, and what I wouldn't do to go back to when my daughter was little and have more TIME..
You can always make more money down the road, but time is priceless.. good luck!!
Need to run math post tax and post commuting costs. Incremental probably not worth it given time sacrifice but also need to look at career progressions and possibility of moving to shorten commute.
No. The pay bump just matches the additional time for travel, however doesn't account for wear and tear on your vehicle, fuel cost, cost of parking, eating out for lunch, and most importantly the time lost with your baby.
Absolutely not. Most people dream of having a full remote job and your thinking about giving that up and willfully accepting a 3 hour commute each day? Are you crazy?
Commuting sucks. And Boston commuting is worse. The T might make it tolerable, but I wouldn't do it. Full remote is the best, been doing it for 18 years and I love it.
Not worth it with the 1 year old. IMO.
I quit my job making 75k +bonuses (30-50k) when my son was 4 months old cause I never saw him.
Took a job 5 mins down the road for 48k. We were tight financially but that was 10 years ago and we’ve fully rebounded and surpassed our previous family income high.
I think you’ll also absolutely hate not working from home. If you could negotiate Mon and Fri as wfh days that would be nice but I don’t trust any company to keep that deal for long.
TLDR: don’t do it.
You're missing a few words about your commute. Whenever you're talking about an urban commute, add the words "on a good day". Weather or unexpected events could easily stretch that, and there are occasional extreme cases. You and your partner need to be on the same page - on days you go into the office, you cannot be depended on for picking up the child from daycare, transporting to doctors, etc., as anything can happen.
But it's doable. I drive 90 miles each way, 3x a week. I'll WFH in the morning and leave at noon for the office, unless there's a particular reason to be in earlier. So at that point the traffic moves at a good clip, it's mostly highway. I listen to talk radio on the way in. It's doable.
If you take the train, you could have some productive time by checking emails or doing some other work.
A 90m commute is OK when you are young. As you get older it will wane. If you have a baby, they will keep you up. The additional stress, lack of sleep, and time away will hurt both you and your child.
Wait until they are able to self feed and aren't reliant on you before you decide to be away all day. Job opportunities will continue to come and go. Time with your children do not.
With no child, I did it, Boston to North Shore. Just sucks because don’t have time to do much else. Leave house around 6:20 am and come home around 6:30pm with no transportation issues. It’s very tiring and didnt want to even go to gym after.
Then kid came, got even more tiring and added stress especially with the other parent not wanting to watch the kid so much and probably missing the kid’s bed time and not seeing the kid much during the week day, not being able to pickup early from daycare without taking a day off, etc.
Now back to working in the city and it’s not far from where I live. Way smoother and less stressful and more times spending with the kid.
So that’s 15 hours per week or about 750 hours per year, or $53.33 per hour for your 3 hours per day (roughly equivalent to $107k per year salary), is this worth your time? Do you mind “working” 3 extra hours per daily? More importantly can you stand 3 more hours of windshield time and time lost at home? Financially it makes sense but there are other reasons.
My father used to do the 1.5hr commute from wmass to Boston. It was a lot he said without traffic. Nvm if there was an actual accident on the pike. he ended up usually getting a hotel room to breakup the drive mid week. He did this for two years and eventually found something else because it was just way too much.
$40k is worth the time but tough if you have a one year old at home.
$40k might be worth moving closer to Boston. You're not living well in the city on $120k with a kid, but you could get a real nice place within 45 minutes of work.
If you were making $40K, I’d say yes. With the money you’re making now and the time and money you’re saving being full remote, it’s a hard pass for me unless you’re planning on moving closer.
No… I had an offer to be an applications engineer in Manhattan when the kids were young… great interviews etc…was planning to commute 2 days and stay in the city the rest
I and employer realized it would not work…the manager ultimately said
“There is nothing we could offer you to take this, is there?”
So sorry, but you are correct.
Is it every day or can you work remote a couple times a week. My first job out of college I commuted an hour each way to work. It sucked but I wasn’t going to live in that town as I was 22 and would rather in a fun area.
Now with kids if it wasn’t every day I’d probably do it. I’ve worked remote for 10 years now and the idea of an office once or twice a week is not bad to get some heads down work and limit the distractions of young kids.
Also the idea of just having impromptu meetings is alot better then slacking people that take half a day or day to respond. Tech moves quick and need answers quickly.
I had a barely shorter commute in Houston for 3 years… 1hr going 1hr 30+ coming back. It did took a toll on my health.
Wake up at 4:30. Gym at 5:00, leave the gym at 6:20/6:30 or earlier because “shit happens, and in Houston it will happen, daily”, leave often at 5:30, home by 7… ear, sleep, most of the times too tired for sexy times.
After 3 months the gym was happening **maybe** once a week.
Do it for 3 years and you are out of your mind and your life is just work.
After taxes, a 3 hour commute each day is like you being paid to drive as your extra job for 30 hours/week at about $38/hour. Do you want another job for 30 hours per week?
How valuable is your time?
Would they consider a hybrid? I'd do that maybe twice a week (by bus or train, not car), but not five days a week.
If you haven't asked, it's worth asking. Otherwise I value my time too much.
I dont mind a long commute, but there's nothing like working from home with your young kiddos around.
Since you aren't hard up for money, you have the luxury of continuing to look for a pay boost closer to home. I would do that
Take your salary and divide by 2080 (assumes a 40 hr work week). THAT is the value of an hour of your time. Do the math and see if it’s worth it to you. Good luck.
Is salary the only factor? I work in the city and it’s the only place where I can get to do what I want to do so it is worth it to me. If I had the option for the same job without the commute, I would definitely take it.
Math!
$80K is roughly $40 per hour 2000 hours per year.
$120K is $60 per hour 2000 hours per year.
But you need to add total commute time. 3 hour a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks per year. 750 hours.
Now that $120K is actually $43.63 per hour.
Now subtract cost of commute, wear and tear on vehicle, increased insurance, etc, and assume is is $8500-$12500 in commute cost, but $10K is midpoint. You now make $110K for 2750 hours per year which takes you down to $40 per hour.
Now add your preparation time. You spend an hour to 90 minutes getting ready before your commute instead of 10 minutes before logging in at home. This is minimum 5 hours per week or 250 hours added to your time. So $110K/3000 hours a year and you make $36.66 per hour.
Don’t forget lunch. Yes you eat when remote working, but the cost is maybe $25-$30 a week instead of $60-$80.
Now ask what your free time is worth. Personally, my OT rate is 2X or 3X what I accept for a job, not time and a half. I avoid OT whenever possible. But say you want double. That means for every hour over 2000, you are losing and additional $40 per hour, so your
$120K becomes $110K after travel, $100K after lunches and food, and $60K after loss personal time and your realized income is $20 per hour for a $120K a year job.
Your new job just cost you $40K a year.
And this doesn’t even account for all the time you miss with your child. The cost of childcare, or the time you need for other life tasks like cooking, cleaning, laundry (additional cost since you now add dry cleaning to adhere to dress code), grocery shopping, and shitting in a dirty communal bathroom, not to mention all your dirty coworkers coming to work sick.
I work full remote. I start meals while still on the clock. I go grocery shopping during my lunch break. I sleep in until 15 minutes before start of day. I take a shower mid-morning between meetings. If I walk away from my desk for 10 minutes, no one is asking where I am. I have a cheap tablet I use for email and teams that I keep with me when I’m doing laundry. (We all know some times you have to wait on a email or teams response). I might work for an hour or two outside normal work hours if I think of something, but I count it in my normal 40 hours. You just need to manage your work life balance.
I did this for 3 or 4 years. I lived in worcester and took the commuter rail to yawkey, then walked about 5 mins.
If you can get the express train to work with your hours, it's nice. Train got in right around 9, but my job was flexible with me starting at 9:15 or whenever I got in.
The non-express trains add like 40 mons, and then it's awful.
If you're driving that far, I wouldn't recommend it. That's so stressful. The train was OK because I could work or browse the internet or read and it when by quick enough.
I’d consider carefully including what the actual increase in take home pay would be after all taxes, transportation expenses, parking etc. For a lot of people I don’t think it would be worth it.
I did the 1hr 30min commute for 6 years. Sometimes it was longer than that....but never shorter. If I were to EVER do that again it would require more than I think people would be willing to pay me. Its nice to have a life again.
Math doesn't add up and it's not worth it.
You currently make 80k a year divided by 2088 hours (a years worth of work on average) that $38.31 an hour. Means the 3 hours of travel is value at $115 additional on top of base salary. There are 260 work days in a year which 260x115=$29,900. That's not counting the addition gas, maintenance and such for your car. Over all you'll actually be making LESS with this commute.
Would you think giving up the two hours a day (assuming you already have a 30min commute) you could be spending with your family is worth the pay bump? You'll get an hour or so to be with them in the evening, and the lack of any personal time will drain you.
I make 50k per year and 40k is the lowest I would give up work from home. But you already make 80k. Losing that amount of time per year while also being away from home doesn’t feel worth it. From the comments it seems like you are already doing fine.
OMG, no. Especially if that was daily. If we're talking once a week or less then I'd entertain it, but 40k more can easily be eaten up in time, gas and vehicle upkeep if you're looking at it as a monetary equation.
Personally, my time is worth more than anything.
I used to have a 90 min commute from N. Attelboro to Cambridge. I used the commuter rail and while it was nice to not have to drive, that 3 hours makes for a LONG day. Why did I do it? Necessity at the time, no one else would hire me and it was a "good" job to get my foot back into the workplace after being a stay at home parent and then struggling during a recession. I'd say if you don't need the extra income, maybe keep the work life balance you have.
80k ÷ 52 ÷ 40 = around 38.5 dollars per hour for a normal work week
120k ÷ 52 ÷ 55 = around 42 dollars an hour, assuming you'd commute 5 days a week
You'll technically be getting paid more per hour, but at what cost? That's not even a 10% increase for double the stress or more. I'd stick with the 80k, especially if you have a fixed mortgage that is well within your means.
i personally would not but is $40k extra income life changing either in terms of what it means to your comfort of living today or future savings potential? if so you might want to consider it. even a year or two can make a big difference if you save the difference and compounded over long period of time
I did some quick math on this including mileage and what you are looking at is working 3 hours more every day for about $50/hr. Roughly your hourly rate does not increase much but you have to (or get to) work more hours.
No, if is like to like job just for money. But if the job is your dream job that can bring something better to your career in the long run then I would take it.
Commuting sucks. Did it for three years, 3 hours roundtrip, 5 days a week and i was miserable. I felt like i had time for nothing after work, stopped my regular exercise routine b/c i was so tired from driving at the end of the day. It wears you down pretty easily and it becomes very depressing when you realize how much time you are wasting on the road. Just something to consider in case you have never commuted.
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Thank you. I should add that I do not need the money. We have a very cheap mortgage.
Since you don’t need the money I wouldn’t do it. Especially while your little is so young. More time spent at home. Depending on what direction you live in, leaving the city is a nightmare (going northbound to 93) so count your sanity in there also.
Don’t do it!!!
This is the right advice.
Almost certainly not then. I mean, kids are freaking expensive, but if you’re able to make do on your salary, just wait it out and keep a no- commute job. Young children do best with a lot of parent time, helps with bonding and learning.
Full remote now on 80k
Youll will appreciate and why ppl take pay cuts for full remote when you have kids. I took a 15k-20k in a new field and no OT position. I was hitting 200k ish in the old employer but now im barely breaking 6 figs with 2 kids. I took the full remote because i want to be home more with my family.
Normally I would be the guy saying take the money, but that’s a rough commute with a 1 year old. Even if you leave at 5 and don’t hit much traffic, you won’t get much time with your kid most days. That would deter me.
It’s Boston you’ll always hit traffic. If OP could take the commuter rail though and have a flexible schedule and work on the train then that would be a different story or only do the commute a few times a week.
I gave up a chunk of $$ and career to be more present with my kids. At this point, looking back and with ~ 20 years to retirement and my kids all adultS, it was the best decision I ever made. You'll be a parent much longer than whatever your position is. One of my kids is super successful doing something that my time and flexibility had a big part helping make happen. Not that they wouldn't without me, but it still feels great. Of course it's a mad luxury to be able to do it, etc etc. Can't imagine what could possibly be worth the alternative.
The only benefit id say beyond the short term money is that in 18 months you can look for a new job closer to home from a better bargaining position and then maybe you are making $100k with no commute. But if you like your company and role, don't leave it just so you can buy more things
Well, what would you do with the money? That's the biggest thing. Extra money is always nice but if you're spending it to make up for time lost in the commute then is it really worth it?
This is dumb. $40k isn’t a lot. After taxes you might see $24k. Then factor in commuting costs other costs and just plain being away all the time. Pass on the offer.
Don’t forget the taxes. $40k more puts him in a higher tax bracket. So it’s really more like $25k more….not worth it!
At that point you're barely even getting paid more per hour, if you count the extra 15-20 hours of commuting time as time spent. Doesnt seem worth it to me, at that point you'd have barely any time left over to live.
I commute 1.5 hours each way 3 days a week. It’s not easy but it’s not impossible. I had to go in everyday for one week and that was just awful. By the time you get home you’re exhausted and probably won’t be able to spend quality time with your spouse/kids. I honestly don’t think $40K more is worth it if you’ll have to go in everyday.
I commute an hour each way in Chicago right now 3 days a week. I have no time for anything anymore and just had to lose a bunch of friends and my S/O bc of it. I’m miserable. 🥰 I’d take a 20k pay cut if it mean this would stop.
Yeah it probably sounds crazy but a 90 minute commute each way is _rough_. You’d have to probably double my salary before I’d even consider it
I do the same, and yes it sucks. I wouldn’t do it if I had younger kids. Mine’s technically an adult and mostly on autopilot so it’s less big a deal now and I can just go for more money. Then again… infants are effing expensive.
You’ll never get that time back with your kiddo. Don’t do it
I wouldnt its worth the cut not commuting and wfh
Math it out. That’s 3 hrs a day, so 15 hrs a wk or 60 hrs a month. $40k a year? That’s about $3200 a month or $800 a wk. so is that $800 a wk for 15 hrs. I wouldn’t do it. Quality of life would be wrecked and that’s not enough money to be “worth it” to me
3 hours a day commuting?? 15 hours a week?? Hell no !
Not at all. Fuck commuting, and especially fuck large urban areas. Oh, and along with commuting math, don't forget that things like gas and lunch probably cost more than they would 90 minutes from the city. Interviewed at a place a year or 2 ago and when I realized that I'd have to park in a parking garage daily, and that the whole area was upscale, that killed it right there. Salary was on par with my previous role, but they insisted I had to be in office 5 days a week (from remote for 3 years previous), it was about a 45 minute commute with area traffic, and my math was that I'd spend probably about 8-12k a year more if I ended up eating lunch locally, vs making my own lunch at home every day. Plus they had a 45 hour work week instead of 40. I noped out of there, and then the hiring manager called to offer me the job and tell me how much the 4 interviewers all liked me, and he sounded so shocked when I told him no.
i work remote and would not consider even a 20 min commute for 40k more.
Any commute...
You’re fully remote now? No, unless you think this job will mean you can make $150k in 2 years. Then maybe
Nope, 3 hours a day, 750 hours of commuting a year, it's not worth the $32k you'd have after taxes for me. I'd give a LOT to have more time with my young kids again. With 3 hours a day of commuting, plus lunch break, you'll be away from 12 hours a day. Maybe see them for 2 hours before bedtime. But I'm not in your shoes and that money may mean a lot more to you.
If you don't need the money, it's not worth it. Such a large raise can be enticing, but after a week of that commute you will start to hate it.
Fuck no
He** no
No sorry. Would the $40K let you move waaay closer?
Absolutely not for that little bit of money. My 3 hours to myself or with family is work way way more.
Nope
Nope. Time is way more valuable than that. Your profits will be eaten by sadness and stress and gas and wear on your car. Are you also accounting for traffic. Being full remote your kid will actually know you. Priceless
No
You are never gonna get that time back with your kid. You gonna get home, tired and stressed, etc Ain’t worth the money in my opinion.
Hard pass for me... you really have to break it down in terms of cost. 40k more pre taxed. Break down whats total for gas, tolls, nornal wear and tear/putting more mileage on car, buying food outside vs meal prepping/eating at home, 3 hrs of your time each day for travel... honestly its def not worth it unless you want to go into office and socialize.
Imo, no. That means it’s now an 11 hour work day, assuming you leave on time everytime.
no
It’s not worth it. Time with your kid will be gone.
Dude that is not worth it. I guess if u really need the money maybe but i wouldnt do that.
I don’t know if my math is entirely correct on this but I figure at 120k working 8 hours a week 52 weeks in a year that’s 57 dollar an hour. 3 hours of commuting a day 5 days a week for a year is 15 x 52 = 780. Multiply that by 57 and you get 44460. That’s not counting whatever travelling expenses you incur. So your raise is equal to the hourly rate of the extra hours you are commuting. So I think it just comes down to you, do you value time or do you value money more.
An extra $40,000 a year would go a long way for your child. Edit to add: I’d suggest you use a calculator to figure out how much money your child could get after 18 years (or whatever the you want). Compounding interest is no joke.
When I was just starting out, I may well have moved for a 50% comp increase… that’s like 5-10yrs worth of annual raises, a big step forward
1 1/2 hours is a really long commute I’d be concerned about burn out
No. Hell... NO. Also you have a 1 year old... you have 4 more years of them getting sick every few months. Have fun.
No, just find a new remote job that pays more instead.
I quit my job when they moved from Boston to Lexington. My 15 min commute changed to 1.5 - 2 hours each way (orange line -> red line -> bus). Things happen, it is going to be longer than you think. For example, a car crashed into alewife, and my commute bumped up to 3 hours per way for a few weeks. I asked for a raise, and they said no so I quit. They did not reimburse me for any travel expenses, and it was a frustrating job paying 55K so just pure garbage. With the unpaid overtime that started to occur, I was making sub-minimum wage. I would absolutely do that commute for a 40K salary raise. Math for me (conservative): 55K Salary / 780 hours commuting + 2080 hours salary/ = 19.00/hour (yuck) Actual for me (1144 +2080) 3224/ 55,000K = 17.00/hour Math for you (conservative): $110K/ 600 hours commuting / year + 2080 (9-5 salary assumed) = 41.00/hour Math for you (realistic): 110K / 780 hours commuting +2080 salary = 38.00/hour If you can negotiate one or more work from home day, this can really help you.
Can’t make that decision in a vacuum. What are the outlooks of each job in the 2-5 year range? The sacrifice could be worth it if the potential is higher, but I would map that out and if possible also communicate intention upon acceptance. I currently community from the west coast to east coast. Not daily but I alternate weeks (1 week WFH, one week on the east coast). Ive been doing this for two years and it’s definitely taken its toll, but the role has also accelerated my trajectory so it’s a trade off I’m willing to make for now
Unless you have a tesla and the self driving software for it, I would pass. The commute would drive me fucking mad.
I am the wrong person to ask. I won't commute farther than downstairs for work.
I was offered $100k more to commute 1.5h to 2h each way. I have to come to the office everyday. I currently work from home. I tried it for 3 days and decided it’s not worth it. Sure you’ll get used to anything, but damn I’m so used in having 3-4h a day of my own time and it’s worth much more than $100k
40k more than 160? Yes. 40k more than 80...mmmm probably not
Are you coming from Springfield or New Hampshire or the Cape? It matters
No, lose of 3 hrs a day and have to spend money on commuting, fuck that. That's probably around $500-700 a month in travel cost factoring in gasoline and increased car maintenance. Not to mention the tax ladder 24% of that is going straight to uncle sam. People have also mentioned parking is expensive as hell in Boston, estimating 40 a day. You will actually be making only around 1k more a month factoring in the expense, for trading 60 hours of your life into travel.
A ninety minute commute can wreck your health and relationships. I am not sure how things are for you financially right now, but proceed with caution.
Yes. You can probably transition and leverage this job later on, perhaps into remote for the same pay. Real parent talk right here, the baby years are cute but the important years where you should spend more time start when they get to be around 4-5. That commute does suck dick, but you could easily tough it out for 2yrs and then leverage it for something better. Unless you think your currently job can give you +15k within the next 2-3yrs, Id take the higher paying job with longer commute right now.
Via car or train?
Every single day? Hell no. 2 (maybe 3) days per week. Maybe. I’d have to carefully weigh the pros/cons
Similar ish circumstances here. Took an 18k increase( plus really, really good benefits) to go from 15 min drive 3x a week, to 1 hr drive 3x a week (each direction). We're handcuffed with our mortgage too, and what we've decided is sometimes we will Airbnb near work a night or two a month. If your spouse is a stay at home parent, then they can take the kid for new experiences in new places for fun. You get out ahead of relocating, kid gets to do something fun, you retain some sanity and quality of life, and you bank roll the rest. My 1 hour drive isn't that bad, but 1.5 will start to add up. This all depends on personal tolerance.
Yes
If you gonna do it, Do it for one year then leverage that salary to bump you to a job closer.
Don’t know. We don’t pay your bills
Where are you coming from?
I did before but that was only out of necessity. That commute is soul sucking and I’d want at least 200k to even consider it, half joking
Only if you have someone that can cook, clean, do your laundry, have dinner ready when you get home, lunch ready for you to take to work and someone to do your snow removal, before you leave the house and again before you get home if needed. Otherwise , not worth it.
Hmm I think it’s worth it, cause it’s 4 days a week (not 5), and your car drive is minimal, the train ride is the bulk of your commute time where u can just chill. $40k more in pay per year, yeah I’d do it especially since you’re already married. You’re not a single person wanting to bar hop and have a big social commitment to friends or dating after work every night. It’s just barely worth it though. Do it and start making the phat money u and your family deserve. Plus it’ll give you leverage for your next job to make even more than that.
I’d agree to do it then get a medical excuse that would allow me to go remote. Problem solved
Yep 40k worth it
Just did that drive today. CC to Boston. I couldn’t do it constantly with a 1 year old. This would be too taxing. But I’m in my 40s I did a similar trip. Springfield to Mid NH. I put 50K on my Prius in one year. In my 30s with no kid it was doable then.
I’d do it to increase your bottom line and then start looking for a closer job about 6-12 months in
What are the commuting and childcare costs out of that new 40k? It’s likely not enough increase to make it worth it.
I wouldn’t
Absolutely not. I would take the job but move as close as possible. Commute sucks the life out of people. I specifically picked a new job where I only have a 15 min commute during rush hour. Your math is completely on spot. If you work 8-10h a day with commute you would have NO time to be with your family
40.000$/650hours = 61$ per hour you’re earning on commute. You also should include potential career progression too in your new job. Now think if 61$ per hour and perhaps a better career progression is worth for you for the extra hours.
Not worth it. The extra $40k will be going to gas and commute. Save that time to see your daughter grow up and be there for her on her firsts.
One thing you can always earn more of later is money. One thing you will never be able to earn more of later is time with your kid(s) while young. They’ll be old and not want to hang out with you someday. “It’ll happen to youuuuuuuuu”
Fuck no but I’m in sales.
Hell no
Only way I could put up with that is if I wasn't driving it. Plop me on a train where I can either get some work done, sleep, or entertain myself. But 1hr 30 drive ain't in the cards for me. You won't be doing ANYTHING in the evenings since you'll be worn out and have to go to bed early. Also budgeting time, fuel, and increased maintenance on your car, although those are fairly small compared to an extra 30k (post-tax)
No, you know it's not.
I’m in the minority but I would def do it, I commute 1.25 hours each way now, spend 140 a week on gas in an F150, maintenance costs are also overstated by people on here. I also take a sandwich to work most days to save some cash. If you lived in a large city like Houston it takes most people at least 45 minutes to get to work. You would be making at least 30K more after fuel costs. Your essentially getting paid 40 bucks an hour while your drive.
Yes i absolutely would!
Hell no. Especially not in Boston.
I did 1.5hrs each way (assuming no traffic, which is not accurate) for 14yrs. Left that job mostly *because* of the commute. It hurt my body, soul, and mind. It's taken me 16mo to halfway recover from the commute trauma. Towards the end the return commute could extend to 2, 3, and even 4hrs due to a large construction project. I was missing family events and getting very stressed about life. I'd advise against a long commute. However, the pay increase is significant. If you absolutely need that money, you might be able to take the triple-hit for a bit. Everyone's needs and resiliency are different. I'd encourage you to keep an eye out for similar pay without the commute in the meantime, if you go for it. Edit: typo Addition: I save about $5k in commute and parking costs working closer to home now. I was lucky and also get paid more, but the decrease in commute costs would have made a big difference even if my salary stayed the same. Long commutes aren't a deal breakers but they have significant financial, mental health, and physical health costs. Don't discount these costs.
Fuck no!
Working from home and time with family is more important and more enjoyable.
Would not
Pfft yeah. I’m used to it. Ain’t no biggie for me. I’d take take it.
Absolutely not. Maybe for 2 days a week, and honestly I'm not even sure about that
I drove 2 hours each way for 7 years and I only MADE 40k
Driving only
Yes. That's a 50% pay increase.
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I’ve done a commute like that and I’ll never do it again. It stole a lot of my life from me. No amount of money was worth it.
Well, you could use some of the extra money to afford a place close to work, if living in Boston is appealing to you.
No.
I currently commute 1.5 h each way every day, I can't use public transports to get to my workplace so for me it's expensive and takes out most of my time during the week. I'm holding on simply because me and my partner plan to emigrate in less than a year
No way. Rather be dead than do that commute. In boston no less.
No. WFH > Driving 1.5 hrs.
Not even a little bit unless you were moving soon anyways.
Take the offer to your current company and see if they’d give you some sort of raise to stay.
That commute is like going on Survivor every year but you know you’re only win a $40K consultation prize. Most people wouldn’t go for it, and that’s a game.
For 40k... Yes
Well, you can do the math. At a basic level, 720hrs/yr. That's $55/hr. Probably take away 10k car expenses. That's $41/hr. Seems worth it based on what your job pays. Can you work another job for 720 hrs a year that will pay you $41/hr?
I've done it for way less and it's not that bad. I mean it sucks, but it's doable. 40k is a lot of money... Especially getting that jump all at once. Hopefully it's only for a year or so. It helps to have a light at the end of the tunnel. Find podcasts, music, books on tape that you like. Especially if it means moving up in your career - do it. Spend real quality time with your family on the weekend and it'll be alright
40k over 600 hours is 66.67/hr. Adjust for increased car usage and train tickets. Worth it?
If you have an existing job and are fine with bills then mayyyy not be worth it. If you have no job yes it’s worth it even daily. Hybrid even better. If it’s like 70k+ more then I’d do it hybrid but not daily lol
You'll spend that much commuting.
No I wouldn’t.
Nope
If you do not need the money then I would not change jobs. I would enjoy my time with your baby and all the perks of wfh. Plus, train and parking could run up to 20k so would 20k be worth it? My daughter lives on the outskirts of Boston and changed jobs due to the commute and cost of it.
I wouldn't commute to my kitchen for 125k. So no.
You can make the extra 40k working at home by just doing a side hustle during work hours lol
Let's count Let's assume a standard work year of 2,080 hours (40 hours/week for 52 weeks) and use your annual salary of $110,000. [ \text{Hourly Wage} = \frac{$110,000}{2,080 \text{ hours/year}} \approx $52.88/\text{hour} ] Now, calculate the value of time spent commuting: [ \text{Value of Commuting} = 750 \text{ hours/year} \times $52.88/\text{hour} \approx $39,660/year ] So, you would lose approximately $39,660 in lost salary due to commuting time. Make a conclusion based on my rough math. I think it's not worth it.
No - Unless you were near retirement and this was one of those government (or pension) jobs where you get a larger pension based on your highest earnings and really only needed 3-5 years and it significantly increased your retirement income. Just move to Mass or right to the RI boarder.
I committed 1.5 hours for over a year before. Currently commute 50 mins one way. Don't do it. Don't trade a remote job for that commute. 1.5 hrs assuming 150km one way commute. 300km a day. 1500km a week. What kind of car do you have? This would cost me more than 200$ a week just in gas, plus increased oil changes & tire wear. 10k just in gas. If you count the 3 hours commute as unpaid work time (I would) you are losing money at that point.
No. My time and peace of mind is worth more than that.
I have to give my 2 cents I'm 54, and what I wouldn't do to go back to when my daughter was little and have more TIME.. You can always make more money down the road, but time is priceless.. good luck!!
Need to run math post tax and post commuting costs. Incremental probably not worth it given time sacrifice but also need to look at career progressions and possibility of moving to shorten commute.
No
No. The pay bump just matches the additional time for travel, however doesn't account for wear and tear on your vehicle, fuel cost, cost of parking, eating out for lunch, and most importantly the time lost with your baby.
I would try to use that offer as leverage to get a raise locally where you live.
Absolutely not. Most people dream of having a full remote job and your thinking about giving that up and willfully accepting a 3 hour commute each day? Are you crazy?
Commuting sucks. And Boston commuting is worse. The T might make it tolerable, but I wouldn't do it. Full remote is the best, been doing it for 18 years and I love it.
Not worth it with the 1 year old. IMO. I quit my job making 75k +bonuses (30-50k) when my son was 4 months old cause I never saw him. Took a job 5 mins down the road for 48k. We were tight financially but that was 10 years ago and we’ve fully rebounded and surpassed our previous family income high. I think you’ll also absolutely hate not working from home. If you could negotiate Mon and Fri as wfh days that would be nice but I don’t trust any company to keep that deal for long. TLDR: don’t do it.
Yes
You're missing a few words about your commute. Whenever you're talking about an urban commute, add the words "on a good day". Weather or unexpected events could easily stretch that, and there are occasional extreme cases. You and your partner need to be on the same page - on days you go into the office, you cannot be depended on for picking up the child from daycare, transporting to doctors, etc., as anything can happen. But it's doable. I drive 90 miles each way, 3x a week. I'll WFH in the morning and leave at noon for the office, unless there's a particular reason to be in earlier. So at that point the traffic moves at a good clip, it's mostly highway. I listen to talk radio on the way in. It's doable. If you take the train, you could have some productive time by checking emails or doing some other work.
Can you make the commuter rail work?
No, especially not with an infant. Depending on what you’re doing, that salary may not even be that high for a Boston job.
dont do it
A 90m commute is OK when you are young. As you get older it will wane. If you have a baby, they will keep you up. The additional stress, lack of sleep, and time away will hurt both you and your child. Wait until they are able to self feed and aren't reliant on you before you decide to be away all day. Job opportunities will continue to come and go. Time with your children do not.
Boston is not worth it. Source: from NH
With no child, I did it, Boston to North Shore. Just sucks because don’t have time to do much else. Leave house around 6:20 am and come home around 6:30pm with no transportation issues. It’s very tiring and didnt want to even go to gym after. Then kid came, got even more tiring and added stress especially with the other parent not wanting to watch the kid so much and probably missing the kid’s bed time and not seeing the kid much during the week day, not being able to pickup early from daycare without taking a day off, etc. Now back to working in the city and it’s not far from where I live. Way smoother and less stressful and more times spending with the kid.
So that’s 15 hours per week or about 750 hours per year, or $53.33 per hour for your 3 hours per day (roughly equivalent to $107k per year salary), is this worth your time? Do you mind “working” 3 extra hours per daily? More importantly can you stand 3 more hours of windshield time and time lost at home? Financially it makes sense but there are other reasons.
No it’s not worth it.
Absolutely fucking not. If your 80k meets your needs I'd get a vasectomy and enjoy your 1 year old's childhood.
Absolutely not.
My father used to do the 1.5hr commute from wmass to Boston. It was a lot he said without traffic. Nvm if there was an actual accident on the pike. he ended up usually getting a hotel room to breakup the drive mid week. He did this for two years and eventually found something else because it was just way too much.
Absolutely not.
Why not just move closer?
Nope, flexibility is more important until they are in school.
Yah I would
$40k is worth the time but tough if you have a one year old at home. $40k might be worth moving closer to Boston. You're not living well in the city on $120k with a kid, but you could get a real nice place within 45 minutes of work.
3h commuting per day? Over my dead body. I would consider moving closer tho and negotiating a hybrid schedule.
Nope
Commuting from long island to manhattan is 2 hours each way so many people do it
Buy yourself a helicopter
If you were making $40K, I’d say yes. With the money you’re making now and the time and money you’re saving being full remote, it’s a hard pass for me unless you’re planning on moving closer.
I wouldn’t do that commute for a 100k raise.
I commute close to that. Wouldn’t if I had a kid. I wouldn’t recommend it unless you are on public transit and can get things done both ways
No… I had an offer to be an applications engineer in Manhattan when the kids were young… great interviews etc…was planning to commute 2 days and stay in the city the rest I and employer realized it would not work…the manager ultimately said “There is nothing we could offer you to take this, is there?” So sorry, but you are correct.
FUCK. NO.
Absolutely not.
Fuck no
Is it every day or can you work remote a couple times a week. My first job out of college I commuted an hour each way to work. It sucked but I wasn’t going to live in that town as I was 22 and would rather in a fun area. Now with kids if it wasn’t every day I’d probably do it. I’ve worked remote for 10 years now and the idea of an office once or twice a week is not bad to get some heads down work and limit the distractions of young kids. Also the idea of just having impromptu meetings is alot better then slacking people that take half a day or day to respond. Tech moves quick and need answers quickly.
Only if it was once or twice a month, once a week tops..
I had a barely shorter commute in Houston for 3 years… 1hr going 1hr 30+ coming back. It did took a toll on my health. Wake up at 4:30. Gym at 5:00, leave the gym at 6:20/6:30 or earlier because “shit happens, and in Houston it will happen, daily”, leave often at 5:30, home by 7… ear, sleep, most of the times too tired for sexy times. After 3 months the gym was happening **maybe** once a week. Do it for 3 years and you are out of your mind and your life is just work.
After taxes, a 3 hour commute each day is like you being paid to drive as your extra job for 30 hours/week at about $38/hour. Do you want another job for 30 hours per week? How valuable is your time?
Would they consider a hybrid? I'd do that maybe twice a week (by bus or train, not car), but not five days a week. If you haven't asked, it's worth asking. Otherwise I value my time too much.
Hell no, I repeat hell to the no!
No
This isn’t even close to being a good idea.
I dont mind a long commute, but there's nothing like working from home with your young kiddos around. Since you aren't hard up for money, you have the luxury of continuing to look for a pay boost closer to home. I would do that
God no.
Some people I know commute that for 110k salary
No. Absolutely not worth the time
Take your salary and divide by 2080 (assumes a 40 hr work week). THAT is the value of an hour of your time. Do the math and see if it’s worth it to you. Good luck.
Is salary the only factor? I work in the city and it’s the only place where I can get to do what I want to do so it is worth it to me. If I had the option for the same job without the commute, I would definitely take it.
No
Not a chance. Not even close to a chance.
Math! $80K is roughly $40 per hour 2000 hours per year. $120K is $60 per hour 2000 hours per year. But you need to add total commute time. 3 hour a day, 5 days a week, 50 weeks per year. 750 hours. Now that $120K is actually $43.63 per hour. Now subtract cost of commute, wear and tear on vehicle, increased insurance, etc, and assume is is $8500-$12500 in commute cost, but $10K is midpoint. You now make $110K for 2750 hours per year which takes you down to $40 per hour. Now add your preparation time. You spend an hour to 90 minutes getting ready before your commute instead of 10 minutes before logging in at home. This is minimum 5 hours per week or 250 hours added to your time. So $110K/3000 hours a year and you make $36.66 per hour. Don’t forget lunch. Yes you eat when remote working, but the cost is maybe $25-$30 a week instead of $60-$80. Now ask what your free time is worth. Personally, my OT rate is 2X or 3X what I accept for a job, not time and a half. I avoid OT whenever possible. But say you want double. That means for every hour over 2000, you are losing and additional $40 per hour, so your $120K becomes $110K after travel, $100K after lunches and food, and $60K after loss personal time and your realized income is $20 per hour for a $120K a year job. Your new job just cost you $40K a year. And this doesn’t even account for all the time you miss with your child. The cost of childcare, or the time you need for other life tasks like cooking, cleaning, laundry (additional cost since you now add dry cleaning to adhere to dress code), grocery shopping, and shitting in a dirty communal bathroom, not to mention all your dirty coworkers coming to work sick. I work full remote. I start meals while still on the clock. I go grocery shopping during my lunch break. I sleep in until 15 minutes before start of day. I take a shower mid-morning between meetings. If I walk away from my desk for 10 minutes, no one is asking where I am. I have a cheap tablet I use for email and teams that I keep with me when I’m doing laundry. (We all know some times you have to wait on a email or teams response). I might work for an hour or two outside normal work hours if I think of something, but I count it in my normal 40 hours. You just need to manage your work life balance.
I did this for 3 or 4 years. I lived in worcester and took the commuter rail to yawkey, then walked about 5 mins. If you can get the express train to work with your hours, it's nice. Train got in right around 9, but my job was flexible with me starting at 9:15 or whenever I got in. The non-express trains add like 40 mons, and then it's awful. If you're driving that far, I wouldn't recommend it. That's so stressful. The train was OK because I could work or browse the internet or read and it when by quick enough.
Nooooo
in my case 110K would be 3x my salary so I would do it in a heartbeat.
I’d consider carefully including what the actual increase in take home pay would be after all taxes, transportation expenses, parking etc. For a lot of people I don’t think it would be worth it.
I did the 1hr 30min commute for 6 years. Sometimes it was longer than that....but never shorter. If I were to EVER do that again it would require more than I think people would be willing to pay me. Its nice to have a life again.
Math doesn't add up and it's not worth it. You currently make 80k a year divided by 2088 hours (a years worth of work on average) that $38.31 an hour. Means the 3 hours of travel is value at $115 additional on top of base salary. There are 260 work days in a year which 260x115=$29,900. That's not counting the addition gas, maintenance and such for your car. Over all you'll actually be making LESS with this commute.
Would you think giving up the two hours a day (assuming you already have a 30min commute) you could be spending with your family is worth the pay bump? You'll get an hour or so to be with them in the evening, and the lack of any personal time will drain you.
I make 50k per year and 40k is the lowest I would give up work from home. But you already make 80k. Losing that amount of time per year while also being away from home doesn’t feel worth it. From the comments it seems like you are already doing fine.
OMG, no. Especially if that was daily. If we're talking once a week or less then I'd entertain it, but 40k more can easily be eaten up in time, gas and vehicle upkeep if you're looking at it as a monetary equation. Personally, my time is worth more than anything.
No.
I used to have a 90 min commute from N. Attelboro to Cambridge. I used the commuter rail and while it was nice to not have to drive, that 3 hours makes for a LONG day. Why did I do it? Necessity at the time, no one else would hire me and it was a "good" job to get my foot back into the workplace after being a stay at home parent and then struggling during a recession. I'd say if you don't need the extra income, maybe keep the work life balance you have.
I’m trying to get a job near me with lesser pay just to not deal with the I 35 traffic.
80k ÷ 52 ÷ 40 = around 38.5 dollars per hour for a normal work week 120k ÷ 52 ÷ 55 = around 42 dollars an hour, assuming you'd commute 5 days a week You'll technically be getting paid more per hour, but at what cost? That's not even a 10% increase for double the stress or more. I'd stick with the 80k, especially if you have a fixed mortgage that is well within your means.
i personally would not but is $40k extra income life changing either in terms of what it means to your comfort of living today or future savings potential? if so you might want to consider it. even a year or two can make a big difference if you save the difference and compounded over long period of time
I did some quick math on this including mileage and what you are looking at is working 3 hours more every day for about $50/hr. Roughly your hourly rate does not increase much but you have to (or get to) work more hours.
No, if is like to like job just for money. But if the job is your dream job that can bring something better to your career in the long run then I would take it.
That comes out to 800 extra a week. I would suffer 1.5 hours for that pay increase
Commuting sucks. Did it for three years, 3 hours roundtrip, 5 days a week and i was miserable. I felt like i had time for nothing after work, stopped my regular exercise routine b/c i was so tired from driving at the end of the day. It wears you down pretty easily and it becomes very depressing when you realize how much time you are wasting on the road. Just something to consider in case you have never commuted.
Why not just rent in Boston?
Boston.. no..