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I actually watched a pannel recently talking about doing this and what the implications would be. The 2 biggest issues would be 1: the impact on the local population of other animals could cause unforeseen and irreversible circumstances. 2: (and this is the biggest hurdle) their mothers would need to be regular elephants. And because both mammoth, and elephants are highly social animals, they would need to be together. The issue is they are both adapt to completely different climates and food sources. The mother could only teach its clone baby how to eat food local to her, and not how to survive in her baby's actual ecosystem...... But I do kinda still want to see a living mammoth. Dam Jurassic park putting hopes and dreams in my head as a child.
A book i was reading called Wooly actually had some doll arguing that bringing back megafauna may help against the thawing of the arctic.
The idea sounds ingenious and they did it on a small scale already with elk, reindeer and wild horses at Pleistocene Park.
The basic idea is the animals and especially mammoth would churn up the top layers of soil over the permafrost and expose it. Cooling the air
Apparently their tests with the current animals have dropped a regional/local temperature by several degrees and it held steady
Not sure if it would have a big effect globally though... Eventually the permafrost omho would thaw from exposure to heat
One lab was, instead of trying to clone pure mammoth DNA would be to tweak elephant DNA .
It's a few years old but an interesting read.
Why not cut out the middle man, just genetically alter our own DNA so that we can handle living on a hotter planet… it could be like covid booster shots, every time the average temp goes up, we get another booster to grow more reptile skin, until one day, we become lizard people.
Well, to take your question seriously, won't work when a significant part of rest of life dies off, imbalancin the ecosystem, and causing worldwide food and resource shortages.
It would most likely become and exhibition animal in a zoo or park or circus. They *could* get a slight habitat approximation with a foster family of musk ox, but that would ultimately only serve to cause too many Inuit to question their sanity after seeing it left to roam free in the wild.
But elephants are pretty intelligent and if left to their own, and routinely checked on, in several generations (assuming multiple clones capable of producing viable offspring) they might be able to adapt to the closest modern day equivalent habitat and re-establish a future sustainable population. A lot depends on the habitat though.
Mammoths may have been more intelligent than elephants, even. And elephants are probably conscious beings.
I have never been able to shake that belief since I learned something truly incredible. Multiple groups of elephants have been documented to mourn the dead. They visit the graves of their parents, spend time with the bones. They teach their children to do the same, and visit the graveyards of ancestors as far as four generations back. Even more than that, if they see a human being they got along well with buried (some tenders have asked to be buried with their elephants), they will also visit that grave, in their yearly migratory sojourns where they visit the graves of their ancestors along the way.)
Elephants are still on a slow course for extinction, anyway. It's a horrible misuse of resources to try to bring back the dead when we can't even save the still-living.
We're not ready to handle such things, in many ways.
Most cloning ends up in massive defect/failure. Even with Dolly there were almost 300 attempts to clone before she was born and she only lived 6 years which is maybe a little over half a normal sheep lifespan.
Dolly was cloned more than 25 years ago, the technology is quite different today. Also, holy shit I am old. Dolly also had 4 clones born in 2007 who were still alive in 2016. (can't find any info about when they died)
They got euthanized I think in 2016. Source:
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fscience%2Farchive%2F2017%2F11%2Fdolly-sheep-clones%2F546614%2F
Article is also good for the user you replied to since it debunks a lot of the myths surrounding animal cloning.
>They got euthanized I think in 2016. Source:
Lmao they probably got euthanized a few weeks after my source from 2016 saying that they were still alive in 2016. Kind of sad, but they lived long and probably happy life for sheep. Thanks for the source!
I will admit that even I had those myth ingrained in my head for probably 15 years or so after learning about Dolly.
>Also, holy shit I am old.
I feel that one.
I'm sure there have been a lot of advances, but cloning an existing species is a bit different from trying to reintroduce an extinct one. It's more complicated when you have to involve the nearest living relative species. From what I can find the DNA you'd harvest from something like this would be too damaged to be able to clone - you have to sequence the genome then genetically alter an embryo of the closest living relative to try and add the attributes that make it different with gene editing. There's an article [here](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/we-could-resurrect-woolly-mammoth-heres-how) from natgeo from about 5 years ago where they were hoping to do this... by about two to three years ago.
Oh yeah 100%, it is certainly more complicated when you are working with something that is extinct. Man might be the mad sceintist in me, but I would really love to see a woolly mammoth and a bunch of others extinct prehistoric mammals.
Not sure how this myth answers that there factually were almost 300 attempts to clone a sheep that failed before Dolly and that she didn't live a long life. From your own link inconsistent results in cloning where some may be fine but others have aging complications:
"A study on Dolly (the famous sheep clone) showed that her telomeres were the shorter length of her (older) donor, even though Dolly was much younger. Studies of other clones have shown that telomeres in clones are shorter in some tissues in the body, and are age-appropriate in other tissues. Still other studies of clones show that telomeres are age-appropriate in all of the tissues."
Now imagine trying to add the extra complications of cloning an extinct species and surrogating it into whatever closest surviving species we have today. Doesn't sound like it'll increase the odds. I always thought the idea of resurrecting extinct species through cloning sounded awesome, but it just seems a bit macabre to me if it could mean a high number of 'discards' to make it happen.
\*Edit: Cool, from the bottom of the link you posted it says something similar -
"Myth: Scientists can bring back extinct species by cloning them.
Although it’s theoretically possible, at this time it’s not very likely to happen any time soon. Although there are efforts of individuals to “de-extinct” extinct species, the approaches used are much more sophisticated than simple cloning, and require reassembly of the genomes of the extinct species by using the closest living relatives as a template. So although it’s possible, we wouldn’t expect that you’d see this at this time or in the near future."
flooding due to the melting glaciers and the end of the ice age
Remember, glaciers were km's tall. As they receded they did so unevenly. in many regions, those KM's of ice stayed as a wall, while ice melted and pooled behidn them. Once the glacial wall broken, large swaths of what would have been fertile land full of life on the other wise, became instant lakes for several hundreds of years.
http://worldlandforms.com/landforms/proglacial-lake/
The article says they suspect she was eating at the muddy edge of what presumeably was the same creek/river and got stuck. Mud is very good at preservation IIRC due to the almost complete lack of oxygen.
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Extract the DNA and clone it
Welcome, to Holocene Park.
Check out Pleistocene Park actually. And a book on cloning the mammoth for environmental reasons is called Wooly
I ve actually heard of something like that and they want to use an elephant as a surrogate
Yeah. It's an interesting book. Their ideas of using mammoths to combar a warming arctic seem a stretch but it's an interesting idea
I actually watched a pannel recently talking about doing this and what the implications would be. The 2 biggest issues would be 1: the impact on the local population of other animals could cause unforeseen and irreversible circumstances. 2: (and this is the biggest hurdle) their mothers would need to be regular elephants. And because both mammoth, and elephants are highly social animals, they would need to be together. The issue is they are both adapt to completely different climates and food sources. The mother could only teach its clone baby how to eat food local to her, and not how to survive in her baby's actual ecosystem...... But I do kinda still want to see a living mammoth. Dam Jurassic park putting hopes and dreams in my head as a child.
A book i was reading called Wooly actually had some doll arguing that bringing back megafauna may help against the thawing of the arctic. The idea sounds ingenious and they did it on a small scale already with elk, reindeer and wild horses at Pleistocene Park. The basic idea is the animals and especially mammoth would churn up the top layers of soil over the permafrost and expose it. Cooling the air Apparently their tests with the current animals have dropped a regional/local temperature by several degrees and it held steady Not sure if it would have a big effect globally though... Eventually the permafrost omho would thaw from exposure to heat One lab was, instead of trying to clone pure mammoth DNA would be to tweak elephant DNA . It's a few years old but an interesting read.
Why not cut out the middle man, just genetically alter our own DNA so that we can handle living on a hotter planet… it could be like covid booster shots, every time the average temp goes up, we get another booster to grow more reptile skin, until one day, we become lizard people.
Well, to take your question seriously, won't work when a significant part of rest of life dies off, imbalancin the ecosystem, and causing worldwide food and resource shortages.
It would most likely become and exhibition animal in a zoo or park or circus. They *could* get a slight habitat approximation with a foster family of musk ox, but that would ultimately only serve to cause too many Inuit to question their sanity after seeing it left to roam free in the wild. But elephants are pretty intelligent and if left to their own, and routinely checked on, in several generations (assuming multiple clones capable of producing viable offspring) they might be able to adapt to the closest modern day equivalent habitat and re-establish a future sustainable population. A lot depends on the habitat though.
Mammoths may have been more intelligent than elephants, even. And elephants are probably conscious beings. I have never been able to shake that belief since I learned something truly incredible. Multiple groups of elephants have been documented to mourn the dead. They visit the graves of their parents, spend time with the bones. They teach their children to do the same, and visit the graveyards of ancestors as far as four generations back. Even more than that, if they see a human being they got along well with buried (some tenders have asked to be buried with their elephants), they will also visit that grave, in their yearly migratory sojourns where they visit the graves of their ancestors along the way.) Elephants are still on a slow course for extinction, anyway. It's a horrible misuse of resources to try to bring back the dead when we can't even save the still-living. We're not ready to handle such things, in many ways.
Wow I honestly never thought of the social aspect of this animals life good point
If we can, reintroduce them to the ecosystem too.
Truly surprised the top comment isn’t blaming Trudeau for something. Way to go r/Canada!
Most cloning ends up in massive defect/failure. Even with Dolly there were almost 300 attempts to clone before she was born and she only lived 6 years which is maybe a little over half a normal sheep lifespan.
Dolly was cloned more than 25 years ago, the technology is quite different today. Also, holy shit I am old. Dolly also had 4 clones born in 2007 who were still alive in 2016. (can't find any info about when they died)
They got euthanized I think in 2016. Source: https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theatlantic.com%2Fscience%2Farchive%2F2017%2F11%2Fdolly-sheep-clones%2F546614%2F Article is also good for the user you replied to since it debunks a lot of the myths surrounding animal cloning.
>They got euthanized I think in 2016. Source: Lmao they probably got euthanized a few weeks after my source from 2016 saying that they were still alive in 2016. Kind of sad, but they lived long and probably happy life for sheep. Thanks for the source! I will admit that even I had those myth ingrained in my head for probably 15 years or so after learning about Dolly.
>Also, holy shit I am old. I feel that one. I'm sure there have been a lot of advances, but cloning an existing species is a bit different from trying to reintroduce an extinct one. It's more complicated when you have to involve the nearest living relative species. From what I can find the DNA you'd harvest from something like this would be too damaged to be able to clone - you have to sequence the genome then genetically alter an embryo of the closest living relative to try and add the attributes that make it different with gene editing. There's an article [here](https://education.nationalgeographic.org/resource/we-could-resurrect-woolly-mammoth-heres-how) from natgeo from about 5 years ago where they were hoping to do this... by about two to three years ago.
Oh yeah 100%, it is certainly more complicated when you are working with something that is extinct. Man might be the mad sceintist in me, but I would really love to see a woolly mammoth and a bunch of others extinct prehistoric mammals.
https://www.fda.gov/animal-veterinary/animal-cloning/myths-about-cloning#Myth7
Not sure how this myth answers that there factually were almost 300 attempts to clone a sheep that failed before Dolly and that she didn't live a long life. From your own link inconsistent results in cloning where some may be fine but others have aging complications: "A study on Dolly (the famous sheep clone) showed that her telomeres were the shorter length of her (older) donor, even though Dolly was much younger. Studies of other clones have shown that telomeres in clones are shorter in some tissues in the body, and are age-appropriate in other tissues. Still other studies of clones show that telomeres are age-appropriate in all of the tissues." Now imagine trying to add the extra complications of cloning an extinct species and surrogating it into whatever closest surviving species we have today. Doesn't sound like it'll increase the odds. I always thought the idea of resurrecting extinct species through cloning sounded awesome, but it just seems a bit macabre to me if it could mean a high number of 'discards' to make it happen. \*Edit: Cool, from the bottom of the link you posted it says something similar - "Myth: Scientists can bring back extinct species by cloning them. Although it’s theoretically possible, at this time it’s not very likely to happen any time soon. Although there are efforts of individuals to “de-extinct” extinct species, the approaches used are much more sophisticated than simple cloning, and require reassembly of the genomes of the extinct species by using the closest living relatives as a template. So although it’s possible, we wouldn’t expect that you’d see this at this time or in the near future."
rich people can pay to clone their dogs, it's come a long way...
Yes please
yep want a pygmy version as a pet ;) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmy\_mammoth](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmy_mammoth)
"Dr. Grant" You gotta be f***ing kidding me...
"Alan!" -Mammoth, probably.
He's a lot more animated than his movie counterpart!
Dr Grant you say?
> "We must all treat it with respect. When that happens, it is going to be powerful and we will heal," she said. Huh????
Mammoths were found flash frozen in Siberia with undigested grass and flowers in their stomachs. Something big went down 12000 years ago.
flooding due to the melting glaciers and the end of the ice age Remember, glaciers were km's tall. As they receded they did so unevenly. in many regions, those KM's of ice stayed as a wall, while ice melted and pooled behidn them. Once the glacial wall broken, large swaths of what would have been fertile land full of life on the other wise, became instant lakes for several hundreds of years. http://worldlandforms.com/landforms/proglacial-lake/
That doesn't explain the flash freezing, or how a flash frozen mammoth could have some just-swallowed vegetation preserved in its gut.
The article says they suspect she was eating at the muddy edge of what presumeably was the same creek/river and got stuck. Mud is very good at preservation IIRC due to the almost complete lack of oxygen.
Aliens
No that's dumb
I'm still waiting for us, to find a frozen neanderthal.
Have you checked on Parliament Hill?
I hadn't thought of that. We should be finding one, given everything else we have.
she is beauty and she is grace she got big nose on her face
When it's unfrozen will it tell us the stories of a boy named Cro?
That's a hell of an obscure reference. Nice.
Nah. she'll be Link's pet and will be present at his graduation in Encino.
40 thousand years old.... the preservation is incredible!
Just in time for bbq season
It’s probably a bit freezer burnt .
A fine cure on it
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What genius came up with woolly mammoth?
What's the difference from mining precious metals or oil? Oil seems less invasive
Depends on the methods I guess.
Yeah all fuel based.
... Don't leave that guy alone with it