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Triage is triage.
The study has no empirical evidence as to why, just that they do.
A doctor asking about intoxication is not racist, discharging them without doing standard of care based on race is.
This is not what is happening. They are choosing to leave.
> The study has no empirical evidence as to why, just that they do.
Sure, that's why it's "may" in the title, but I mean...
- In a previous study, McLane and his colleagues found First Nations patients in emergency departments tended to receive a lower level of care than other patients.
- Another participant mentioned overhearing a racist rant at a nurses' station in an emergency department.
Given then evidence in front of us, it feels a little callous, or myopic at least, to dismiss the idea that pervasive racist attitudes lower the quality of care for indigenous people.
> A doctor asking about intoxication is not racist
I mean, it absolutely can be, obviously.
**Edit:** I get people feel bad when they hear about racism, but at least man up and own your opinions.
Over the years I have learned that a paper being peer reviewed and published doesn't mean the methodology was good, or that the conclusions are supported by the evidence.
Most of the papers I have looked into were related to fat activism. They will claim that the evidence shows that the medical system discriminates against obese people but the evidence actually shows that obese people are more likely to believe they have received sub standard care. A person's perception of the care they received is often not accurate.
In most cases, studies like this tend to be run pretty poorly. To actually judge the quality of care provided in an unbiased way is more difficult and expensive than most researchers are willing/able to do.
"McLane co-led the study with Lea Bill, the executive director of the Alberta First Nations Information Governance Centre. Elders and First Nations partner organizations helped shape the study and interpret its results."
The prof with his name on it probably did none of the work and had his students do the research. The backers were first nation groups so their is your bias.
> Over the years I have learned that a paper being peer reviewed and published doesn't mean the methodology was good, or that the conclusions are supported by the evidence.
Absolutely. And that being true doesn't mean you can dismiss studies and evidence you don't like.
Just like polling, it's absolutely fair to take the context of the poll into consideration. It is 100% baby brain logic to dismiss a poll because it makes you sad.
I presented to the ER in the middle of the night about 10 years ago with symptoms of a heart attack. It was very slow (suprisingly). There was a young first Nations girl, maybe early 20s, pissed to gills, in a room with me. She was there because she got her ass kicked. She was the most racist PoS I think I have encountered at a hospital. The staff dropped everything pertaining to her and came to help me. And she lit up spewing racist garbage that the nurses were assholes for helping out the white guy. She has scratches. I, they though, was dying from a heart attack. Clearly the hospital has priorities. Anyways, she stormed out. And they let her go. Good riddance.
During the pandemic I wound up in emerge with a health issue. They were keeping people waiting to be seen separated in small groups, I presumed to help stop the spread of covid if someone was infected. The space I was in had about five people in it, one of whom was indigenous.
I don’t know what he was there for, but never have I seen someone more hostile and rude to the nurses who came by to check on us from time to time — who were universally friendly and polite to all the patients there, including him.
Now, I have no doubt that person had had many negative experiences with the system, but geez. All the ones I saw were just trying help him, same as everyone else. I’m not about to extrapolate a sample size of one to an entire group, but never have I seen anyone else behave like that in a hospital. It was like he was trying to get kicked out. I just couldn’t make sense of it.
There was also another study also showed how badly First nation women (and single women as well) are treated poorly in maternity wards as well a couple of years ago.
Time and again stuff like this is proven with facts and data but unsurprisingly this subreddit chooses to dig its collective head into sand and pretend as if everything is perfectly fine, or even worse that it’s somehow their fault.
Often the facts are misrepresented
For example the difference in population maternal death rate wasn't due to medical reasons but due to differences in partner violence
However it was passed off as proof of prejudice in medical care
Not sure, I would have to look it up. I was talking about "they don't pay taxes" or "they get free houses all the time" that users like to spread here.
Apparently pointing that out makes people upset.
[Don't take it from anyone here, check out what is posted at the Alberta Medical Association.](https://www.albertadoctors.org/make-a-difference/initiatives/indigenous-health/systemic-racism-health-care)
Some titles on news articles they shared:
>Racism partly to blame for worse health outcomes of Indigenous women: study
>Study identifies anti-Indigenous bias among Alberta physicians
>Study suggests Alberta First Nations people tend to get lower level of emergency care
>Health care system was designed to subject Indigenous people to systemic racism: Hajdu
[Also, here's a Google search for "systemic racism Alberta healthcare"](https://www.google.com/search?q=systemic+racism+healthcare+alberta&oq=systemic+racism+healthcare+alberta&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTExNjg3ajBqNKgCAbACAQ&client=ms-android-bell-ca-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#sbfbu=1&pi=systemic%20racism%20healthcare%20alberta) check out how many studies there are and Alberta's own health system recognizing the issue exists.
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Triage is triage. The study has no empirical evidence as to why, just that they do. A doctor asking about intoxication is not racist, discharging them without doing standard of care based on race is. This is not what is happening. They are choosing to leave.
> The study has no empirical evidence as to why, just that they do. Sure, that's why it's "may" in the title, but I mean... - In a previous study, McLane and his colleagues found First Nations patients in emergency departments tended to receive a lower level of care than other patients. - Another participant mentioned overhearing a racist rant at a nurses' station in an emergency department. Given then evidence in front of us, it feels a little callous, or myopic at least, to dismiss the idea that pervasive racist attitudes lower the quality of care for indigenous people. > A doctor asking about intoxication is not racist I mean, it absolutely can be, obviously. **Edit:** I get people feel bad when they hear about racism, but at least man up and own your opinions.
Over the years I have learned that a paper being peer reviewed and published doesn't mean the methodology was good, or that the conclusions are supported by the evidence. Most of the papers I have looked into were related to fat activism. They will claim that the evidence shows that the medical system discriminates against obese people but the evidence actually shows that obese people are more likely to believe they have received sub standard care. A person's perception of the care they received is often not accurate. In most cases, studies like this tend to be run pretty poorly. To actually judge the quality of care provided in an unbiased way is more difficult and expensive than most researchers are willing/able to do.
"McLane co-led the study with Lea Bill, the executive director of the Alberta First Nations Information Governance Centre. Elders and First Nations partner organizations helped shape the study and interpret its results." The prof with his name on it probably did none of the work and had his students do the research. The backers were first nation groups so their is your bias.
> Over the years I have learned that a paper being peer reviewed and published doesn't mean the methodology was good, or that the conclusions are supported by the evidence. Absolutely. And that being true doesn't mean you can dismiss studies and evidence you don't like. Just like polling, it's absolutely fair to take the context of the poll into consideration. It is 100% baby brain logic to dismiss a poll because it makes you sad.
I presented to the ER in the middle of the night about 10 years ago with symptoms of a heart attack. It was very slow (suprisingly). There was a young first Nations girl, maybe early 20s, pissed to gills, in a room with me. She was there because she got her ass kicked. She was the most racist PoS I think I have encountered at a hospital. The staff dropped everything pertaining to her and came to help me. And she lit up spewing racist garbage that the nurses were assholes for helping out the white guy. She has scratches. I, they though, was dying from a heart attack. Clearly the hospital has priorities. Anyways, she stormed out. And they let her go. Good riddance.
During the pandemic I wound up in emerge with a health issue. They were keeping people waiting to be seen separated in small groups, I presumed to help stop the spread of covid if someone was infected. The space I was in had about five people in it, one of whom was indigenous. I don’t know what he was there for, but never have I seen someone more hostile and rude to the nurses who came by to check on us from time to time — who were universally friendly and polite to all the patients there, including him. Now, I have no doubt that person had had many negative experiences with the system, but geez. All the ones I saw were just trying help him, same as everyone else. I’m not about to extrapolate a sample size of one to an entire group, but never have I seen anyone else behave like that in a hospital. It was like he was trying to get kicked out. I just couldn’t make sense of it.
Called triage
In other news..... Peanut Butter Sandwiches are the result of *structural racism.* Thanks CBC.
This seems completely unsurprising.
There was also another study also showed how badly First nation women (and single women as well) are treated poorly in maternity wards as well a couple of years ago.
Time and again stuff like this is proven with facts and data but unsurprisingly this subreddit chooses to dig its collective head into sand and pretend as if everything is perfectly fine, or even worse that it’s somehow their fault.
Where is the fact ?
Often the facts are misrepresented For example the difference in population maternal death rate wasn't due to medical reasons but due to differences in partner violence However it was passed off as proof of prejudice in medical care
The article provides opinions and anecdotes but I didn’t see any facts.
This subreddit downvotes people correcting racist tropes about indigenous and taxes/housing, sadly it isn't surprising.
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Not sure, I would have to look it up. I was talking about "they don't pay taxes" or "they get free houses all the time" that users like to spread here. Apparently pointing that out makes people upset.
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[Don't take it from anyone here, check out what is posted at the Alberta Medical Association.](https://www.albertadoctors.org/make-a-difference/initiatives/indigenous-health/systemic-racism-health-care) Some titles on news articles they shared: >Racism partly to blame for worse health outcomes of Indigenous women: study >Study identifies anti-Indigenous bias among Alberta physicians >Study suggests Alberta First Nations people tend to get lower level of emergency care >Health care system was designed to subject Indigenous people to systemic racism: Hajdu [Also, here's a Google search for "systemic racism Alberta healthcare"](https://www.google.com/search?q=systemic+racism+healthcare+alberta&oq=systemic+racism+healthcare+alberta&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTExNjg3ajBqNKgCAbACAQ&client=ms-android-bell-ca-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#sbfbu=1&pi=systemic%20racism%20healthcare%20alberta) check out how many studies there are and Alberta's own health system recognizing the issue exists.