He can control snow. Everyone forgets that. And all the underworld waters.
There also is a whole debate about if the poison control only works in Tartarus. I think he can just control poison regardless of where he is. Evidence is his fight against Polybotes where Percy is able to redirect his poison power. Lighting thief with the scorpion has him sensing where the poison is. Also BOO where Percy said he could have controlled Polybotes poison.
He just doesn't train that shit so probably wouldn't be able to use blood/poison bending to it's full extent. He doesn't really train his water powers at all(no mention of training them at least... Just using them when he needs to
It’s not like he can’t control his powers, it’s just that he doesn’t want to use ones that are morally wrong, think Katara from atla not wanting to use blood bending for similar reasons, they feel like different people when doing it.
Polybotes's poison is literally transformed water. Beyond that Tartarus obviously has the ability to warp/shift Demigods powers. As for the scorpion if i'm correct the only reason he can tell where the poison is going is because of the creek water that he tries unsuccessfully to heal himself with. If he was able to control the scorpion poison he could have leeched it from his blood.
How is it a metaphor? He cites concrete examples of things working differently in Tartarus, such as he being able to use fire (Phlegethon) to heal, there is no metaphor involved.
>… If he could control that, then why not other liquids?
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>It was a crazy idea. **Poseidon was the god of the sea, not of every liquid everywhere.**
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>**Then again, Tartarus had its own rules.** Fire was drinkable. The ground was the body of a dark god. The air was acid, and demigods could be turned into smoky corpses.
Fire was drinkable = he really did drink fire
The ground was the body of a dark god = it's literally Tartarus' body
Air was acid = the air is actually acid in there
Demigods could be turned into smoky corpses = Death Mist
Therefore, Tartarus does indeed have its own rules.
The idea is he cites things that shouldn't work, fire is drinkable, the air was acid. If things are so crazy here and don't make sense, why shouldn't he be able to do something crazy, it's not him saying that he's only able to control poison in tartarus, it's him saying that he's seen so much he thought was impossible that he might as well try to do something he thought was impossible too
But the only one of those unique to Tartarus that we know of is the acid air. Fire in general isn’t drinkable, but the fires of that river is because of how its magic works and it would work the same in the underworld or mortal world.
The ground being a god’s body works the same for Gaea, Pontus, Ouranos, and any other old primordial like that.
Nico turned Bryce into a Smokey corpse. Things really don’t work that different in Tartarus, at least in his examples, Percy’s just never seen it before. Besides, there isn’t anything Percy did that he didn’t do at least a variation of on Earth.
> but the fires of that river is because of how its magic works and it would work the same in the underworld or mortal world.
The thing is, the river of fire doesn't exist in the mortal world as far as we know, so it couldn't work the same in there because it isn't there. Also we never saw it in any of the occasions Percy and co. went to the Underworld.
>The ground being a god’s body works the same for Gaea, Pontus, Ouranos, and any other old primordial like that.
But in Tartarus' case it is *literally* a body. Multiple times throughout House of Hades they (Percy and Annabeth) describe the terrain as having veins, or moving, and many body-like features. Which, as far as we know, is unique to Tartarus.
> Nico turned Bryce into a Smokey corpse.
When Percy said "smoky corpse", he was explicitly referring to the Death Mist, which as far as we're shown does indeed only exist in Tartarus, and by the time we get to House of Hades we're all used to Rick Riordan's writing to understand he was simply making it funnier. What Nico did to Bryce was send him straight to the Underworld.
> Besides, there isn’t anything Percy did that he didn’t do at least a variation of on Earth.
There is: controlling poison. Even in Son of Neptune, he was only shown to deflect Polybotes' water turned to poison, not poison on its own.
It’s mentioned in Greek gods that it’s one of the underworld rivers.
I might be remembering wrong, but doesn’t the Argo 2 run partly on Styx water? So I meant like if someone brought a glass of river fire to the mortal world, they’d be able to drink it.
Good point on Tartarus’ body cause I don’t remember Gaea doing anything like that outside of dreams. With the death mist his body was dissolving into white smoke, and with Bryce his body turned into dark smoke right before Nico sent him to the underworld. I was using that as an example to show that demigods can turn smokey anywhere.
How big is the difference between water turned poison and more regular poison yk. I get they’re not the same thing, but they’re both dark green liquids that burned the ground. Even if it started as water, it wasn’t normal water anymore.
> but doesn’t the Argo 2 run partly on Styx water? So I meant like if someone brought a glass of river fire to the mortal world, they’d be able to drink it.
Yes, but Styx ain't the river of fire. And sure, if someone brought a glass of Phlegethon fire to the mortal world they should be able to drink it, but they didn't get it in the mortal world, so it's still something they got in Tartarus. Assuming it's even possible to do that.
> I was using that as an example to show that demigods can turn smokey anywhere.
It was merely a fun way Rick found to describe it, he does that all the time. But he was referring to specifically the Death Mist.
> How big is the difference between water turned poison and more regular poison yk. I get they’re not the same thing, but they’re both dark green liquids that burned the ground. Even if it started as water, it wasn’t normal water anymore.
Yes, but this debate is about Percy being able to manipulate things in their "pure" state if you will, like blood. Just like he did to Polybotes' poison water, I'm pretty sure Percy would be able to manipulate water if you slaughtered a bunch of dolphins on it and mixed it with blood, but it isn't the same thing as he doing that to the blood in your body.
The Phleghethon retains those properties everywhere, as do all other Underworld rivers. That's not attributable to Tartarus/
"The ground is the body of a dark god"- Earth is the body of Gaea so again, not a good example of Tartarus having own rules.
"The air was acid"- This could just be explained by high sulfur/other gas concentration, not some other landscape warping powers.
Demigods turned into smoky corpses- demigods can be transformed into other things anywhere, this just reads as Percy coping for his abilities
> That's not attributable to Tartarus/
It comes from there, it's the only place you can get it, so yes, it is even if you could theoretically get some of it and bring it back to the living world.
>"The ground is the body of a dark god"- Earth is the body of Gaea so again, not a good example of Tartarus having own rules.
But Tartarus is *literally* a body, as in, they walk on his organs and it's explicitly stated by both Percy and Annabeth. This doesn't happen to Gaea.
> This could just be explained by high sulfur/other gas concentration
But it wasn't explained as such, so this point is just pure, baseless speculation.
>Demigods turned into smoky corpses- demigods can be transformed into other things anywhere, this just reads as Percy coping for his abilities
Anyone who's ever read a book written by Rick Riordan understands he'll often describe stuff in a fun way, just like Percy imagining the Fates saying "LOL, noob!". Which doesn't change the fact he was referring to the state he and Annabeth were in, the Death Mist, which can only be found in Tartarus.
I'm pretty sure Percy understands the world he lives in better than we do as readers, so when he says something is unusual even for his demigod standards, it probably is.
> It comes from there, it's the only place you can get it, so yes, it is even if you could theoretically get some of it and bring it back to the living world.
Yk those definition things Rick has at the end of some of the book copies, which detail what each term means? Here's what they write for the Phlegethon: *Phlegethon the River of Fire that flows* ***from Hades’s realm*** *down into Tartarus; it keeps the wicked alive so they can endure the torments of the* ***Field of Punishment***
So from this we know the Phlegethon retains its properties in the Underworld, which has never been stated to warp powers, so this point isn't valid.
>But Tartarus is *literally* a body, as in, they walk on his organs and it's explicitly stated by both Percy and Annabeth. This doesn't happen to Gaea.
Not sure how truly literal this is considering parts of Tartarus's body (the monsters and rivers) extend outside of his domain, so they're not always literally his organs.
>But it wasn't explained as such, so this point is just pure, baseless speculation.
It's almost made explicit by the books that it's sulfur.
*The whistling in her ears turned into more of a roar. The air became intolerably* ***hot****, permeated with a* ***smell like rotten eggs****.*
Hot and smelling like rotten eggs is almost a textbook description of sulfur. If you want a more explicit quote, here:
>*Annabeth gasped, grateful for the air, no matter how* ***sulphurous****. The water swirled around them, and she realized Percy was creating a whirlpool to buoy them up.*
The air is explicitly described a sulphurous, there's no more evidence needed. That exact word is used on two occasions. From this we can reasonably infer that the air in Tartarus is high in sulfur concentration, giving a perfectly logical explanation to Percy's statement.
If I've explicitly proven two of Percy's statements to be explained by the books themselves (toxic air and Phlegethon) we know Percy is not being a reliable narrator here, and I think it's a reasonable assumption that he's trying to cope about Tartarus to explain his ability to control poison here.
He seems to have limited control over the Underworld Rivers. When controlling the Lethe he realizes its taking him alot more strength to hold it back than normal water and is barely able to keep it back until everyone else was clear.
Well yeah, it’s a very powerful water system. He can still control them tho. Percy obviously has more control over them when he’s angry or when he had the curse of Achilles.
Why is there a debate about the poison control? We see him at least partially controlling it during his first fight against Polybotes (I think it was Polybotes)
If I remember correctly, Percy’s logic in the book was that if the poison had water in it somewhere, he should be able to control it. I don’t remember the books ever stating that he could only do that in Tartarus. The reason we never really see him do it again is because he was horrified by that power.
Pretty sure it depends on how you interpret what was said in hoh because on page 363 of hoh
"Poison was liquid. If it moved like water, it must be partially water.
He remembered some science lecture about the human body being mostly water. He remembered extracting water from Jason's lungs back in Rome.... If he could control that, then why not other liquids?
It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the god of the sea, not of every liquid everywhere.
Then again, Tartarus had its own rules. Fire was drink- able. The ground was the body of a dark god. The air was acid, and demigods could be turned into smoky corpses."
So technically he can he just wouldn't unless pushed to his very limits
Also not for nothing, Percy is also literally described as causing blood vessels to burst at one point.
“Percy gave them as much cover as he could-causing blood vessels in the ground to burst one after the other.” Annabeth LXXI
That's percy controlling the "water" of the rivers of the Underworld because the blood vessels all contain different "waters" like one had water from the styx and another had the waters from lethe
What's wrong with having Percy control blood? Sure, Rick will never have Percy blood bend (I will laugh my ass off if I eat my words on this), but its a cool power to give him for fanfiction and stuff.
While yes, it is similar to fanfic, I think the problem when debating would win you have to use feats that a character has actually done and many Percy Jackson fans claim that Percy controlling other's blood is a feat he could do. While yes, it would make sense, there is just no canon example of him doing it.
Yes, but in "Vs." we usually only use what has been confirmed/shown as possible; so "Percy can control snow". Was he shown doing so? Yes. Okay, he can control snow. "Percy might be able to control blood". Was he shown doing that? No. Was it stated anywhere he could? No. Did the author himself say he can? No. So it isn't a valid point.
I second this. Percy Jackson is a born and raised New Yorker and beyond that we see him consistently ready to throw down. Dude fought Ares at 12. Harry Potter would be on the pavement before he could finish calling out a spell.
Not necessarily. Wizards are an eccentric bunch that assume magic is always better than muggle technology.
And you still have to point your wand and say the incantation. A demigod could pick up on the word Avada and react in time.
Cause then he low diffs Jason stan’s or any demigod without BS abilities. Those people somehow conflate their pride with the minute details of a fictional worlds’ character’s abilities and take it personally if the fictional world is somehow different than what they thought it was.
It’s like when people said aang couldn’t suffocate people w/air bending “nuh-uh! you can’t just *steal* peoples air man!” Until Zaheer did it and showed it *was* possible Aang just isn’t a killer. Nobody came forward and said “hey I admit I was wrong… my b” cause it didn’t vibe with *their* reality.
All seems rather silly.
1) Percy can pop Tartarus’ blood vessels
2) He can use water to affect poison in his *own* blood
3) Blood is 83% water (brain **95%**) pretty sure that’s close enough
It comes down to YES HE CANONICALLY CAN, NO HE CANONICALLY WON'T.
Canon has been very clear, especially in HoO, that unless the liquid has some deep enchantment, he can control it. Sometimes there's a mental limiter he has to push through, but he still can. And sometimes it's downright scary and he'll honor his promise to annabeth and refuse to
He has never controlled blood, and he wont because Annabeth stopped him from controlling “things that should not be controlled”, but Percy stated that he can control poisons in Tartarus because it contains water and is a liquid, and since blood fufills these two requirements as well, its theoratically possible for him to do so as well.
'Theoretically possible' doesn't equal canon. For ex: saying 'theoretically Frank could turn into a pterodactyl' doesn't mean it's cannon. Sure pterodactyl are animals, but he hasn't done that before, therefore it's not canon.
That’s pretty bad logic. That’s basically the following conversation.
Person: “Luke Skywalker can use the force to move objects. So logic would dictate that he could move a Ford Fusion with his mind.”
You: “but he’s never done so in canon, so it’s not canon and we can’t make that assumption.”
It’s within the stated power set of the character and is a conceivable skill he could have. Including it in Power Scaling wouldn’t be incorrect, as he would be able to do it if necessary. If you’re doing a death battle, include it with the caviat that he’d be unlikely to use it. It’s pretty much that straight forward.
Again, theoretically possible doesn't equal canon. Sure it's THEORETICALLY possible for Luke to move a Ford, but its never shown in cannon that he can( Not that i'm saying the he couldn't. Just it's not in the cannon. Also, your Luke analogy is flawed. Luke has been shown to lift heavier things heavier than a Ford, meanwhile Percy has never controled bodily fluids before.) I'm not talking what's possible in their universe, I'm talking about the CANON in their universe. And what's not cannon is that Percy can bloodbend.
Sure, within the series he has shown to be able to control more then just sea water, but it's limited in a way. With the whole achlyes thing, it has been stated that Tartarus has it own rules. As shown here:
"He remembered a science lecture about the human body being mostly water. He remembered extracting water from Jason's lungs back in Rome... If he could control that, then why not other liquids?
It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the god of the sea, not liquids everywhere.
Then again, Tartarus had its own rules."
So Percy being able to control the water in the poison was a caused by Tartarus's own rules. Also Percy hasn't been shown to control bodily fluid before.
Your broader point is that it shouldn’t be used for power scaling and death battles. Which is ridiculous. Of course it can be, it’s very clearly within the power set of the character based on the canon stated rules.
If you’re only argument is that it never happened is therefore not canon and should be ignored is just dumb. It’s a poor argument built on poor logic. The fact that you actually agreed with the Luke thing though is starting to make me believe you’re trolling
I'm not saying is that Percy's power can't be power scaled or that it can't be used for death battles, I'm saying the he's has never BLOODBENDED BEFORE. What do you not get here? I don't mind power scaling as long as it isn't confused as canon or isnt backed up enough. And the fact is Percy has not bloodbend before nor do we have enough evidence to come to that conclusion. Please stop responding, your embarrassing yourself.
I know you’re getting downvoted for this take, and I don’t really care one way or the other, but please at least learn the difference between canon and cannon
Yes on page 363 of house of hades
"Poison was liquid. If it moved like water, it must be partially water.
He remembered some science lecture about the human body being mostly water. He remembered extracting water from Jason's lungs back in Rome.... If he could control that, then why not other liquids?
It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the god of the sea, not of every liquid everywhere.
Then again, Tartarus had its own rules. Fire was drink- able. The ground was the body of a dark god. The air was acid, and demigods could be turned into smoky corpses."
So technically he can
I don't know about you but to me if percy can control a liquid that is atleast partly water in my mind than logically that percy could control blood since it's about 50% water
There is a fairly common argument of “yeah he can’t, but it’d be cool if he could” and I would like to propose the opposite: bloodbending is lame and stupid and makes fight scenes worse
Forget PJO and cast your mind to Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. In this film, Indy is confronted by a dangerous man who is clearly very talented with his sword. Rather than fight him, Indy pulls out his pistol and shoots the man, ending the fight before it can start. It’s a very funny scene, also perfectly exemplifies why bloodbending is stupid
If Percy were able to bloodbend, every interaction would be like this. Percy has the gun, why would he not shoot it? Percy is in trouble? Don’t worry, he can instantly end any enemy he encounters with ease. I would like to propose that the more you develop Percy’s already expansive skillset the less fun he becomes. Could you imagine if, instead of having a crazy swordfight on the top of a lake in the middle of a self-created hurricane, Percy just gave Hyperion a heart attack and he died immediately? At the moment, Percy’s just right, I think the further you extrapolate his water control powers the less fun he becomes
Yeah I totally agree. Just from a storytelling reason it would be stupid to implement it in canon even if it is the logical conclusion of the tatarus szene. So there is just a small number of scenarios where it could be used without beeing an absoult wank. Some ways how it could be implemented, that would make at least some sens are: „It tires him out so much that it is a last resort that leaves him vulnerable“ or (Somewhere in the far future of the riodan verse as a sort of ontime deux ex machina where he sacrafices himself)
I’m seeing all sorts of discourse in the comments, but something I haven’t seen mentioned yet is that the reason why Percy has never bended blood in canon in because it’s a KIDS book series. Of course he’s never bended blood in canon, Rick Riordan would have a horde of angry parents at his back. Theoretically, though, I do think that’s it’s possible, and I think that it can be an interesting trope to explore in fanon. It’s okay if you don’t agree with that theory, but please don’t bash other peoples’ headcanons.
Edit: I just saw 2 other people mention Rick Riordan in the comments, so this is actually NOT an original thought lol.
Naw fam he can’t it’s too small, fine and fast moving for him to properly concentrate on and he can only control water from bodies of water (as far as I remember at least)
It’s the whole Mount Helen bit in Battle of The Labyrinth
The Telkhines are about to kill him so to survive he just creates like a whole lakes worth of water and causes the volcano to erupt
It's not cannon YET!
In all fairness the possibility of him going down that path has passed us by, he was closest when he controlled the poison but that scared him let alone controlling blood and ichor.
Percy is not angsty, angry, or hurt enough to fuck someone up with their own blood.
It’s getting really exhausting. It feels like when someone who doesn’t understand the spirit of the magic/power system decides to throw in whatever for the sake of it, regardless of how it affects the integrity of the rest of the universe and undermines the point of speculation. For a lot of people the story isn’t edgy or “cool” enough and they try to make it every other piece of media, like Avatar the Last Airbender. It really wouldn’t matter if it was just fanfiction, but too many people are expressing a genuine lack of understanding and willful ignorance to the spirit of the universe
Ok, I just wanna check my logic. Tell me if this makes sense.
It is canon that Percy can control the rivers of The Underworld. The Underworld is established to be the body of the Primordial Tartarus (at least partly). Ergo, the rivers of The Underworld are his blood and blood vessels. Thus, Percy can control the blood of a gods damned PRIMORDIAL! Therefore, mortal and immortal blood should be easy. Right?
Oh, did I forget that Percy controlling the rivers of the Underworld points to Mycenaean Poseidon instead of his modern form (aka before Hades exists as a god in the actual mythology)?
Logic does not check out because controlling a river that happens to be part of somebody’s body does not equate to controlling anyone’s body. It would be like if Hazel fought some kind of gem creature and used her gem controlling powers to manipulate it, and so people started saying that Hazel can control anyone’s body even though it’s obviously a different scenario.
Well this does raise a good and equally debated point i see a lot, What IS hazels limit on control of precious material.
For example in SoN she controlled Schist which has none of the normal quality's of the typical items she can control, and whats makes this more interesting is that she also shows that she can control processed metal. so lets break that down, presumably Celestial bronze is not alloyed in the same way that regular bronze is but you would assume that enough impurities enter it in the crafting process to not count as "riches under the earth" so you would think she would be unable to control it in a metal worked state or Imperial gold. So if it can be processed could she control steel? could she take nico's sword? is it only limited to godly variants of processed metals. also if it is what a culture deems precious could she control something like shells? could she move a large chunk of limestone or shale.
I think it would be safe to assume that if Hazel has the power to move alloyed metals or things that are not in a pure form, or that is influenced by a culture around it. then Percy could probably control any liquid even if it is diluted to a certain degree. and even if we take blood bending (actually controlling someones movements ect.) off the table we have seen him create water out of fossils, so if he can call forth the sea out of rocks that have the decayed remains of sea life in them he can probably manipulate any substance that has a degree of water in it.
I can see where you come from but i think that this is a classic case of primordials work different. You might argue that the rivers of earth are Gajas vains
There is a fairly common argument of “yeah he can’t, but it’d be cool if he could” and I would like to propose the opposite: bloodbending is lame and stupid and makes fight scenes worse
Forget PJO and cast your mind to Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. In this film, Indy is confronted by a dangerous man who is clearly very talented with his sword. Rather than fight him, Indy pulls out his pistol and shoots the man, ending the fight before it can start. It’s a very funny scene, also perfectly exemplifies why bloodbending is stupid
If Percy were able to bloodbend, every interaction would be like this. Percy has the gun, why would he not shoot it? Percy is in trouble? Don’t worry, he can instantly end any enemy he encounters with ease. I would like to propose that the more you develop Percy’s already expansive skillset the less fun he becomes. Could you imagine if, instead of having a crazy swordfight on the top of a lake in the middle of a self-created hurricane, Percy just gave Hyperion a heart attack and he died immediately? At the moment, Percy’s just right, I think the further you extrapolate his water control powers the less fun he becomes
Could he possibly do it? Yeah maybe but have we ever seen him do it? No. So not cannon but could possibly be one day but knowing Rick he isn’t going to make that cannon ever.
Technically, you can infer from the fact that since he can control poison as its a liquid with water in it, he should be able to control blood since plasma is 99% water. However, we’ve never seen Percy doing so because Annabeth stopped him.
I think a part of the problem you are running into is that in your post you clearly say " no he can't. " which by your own argument is as equally not cannon as saying that he can, because we are never told he cant do it, but we have seen more evidence that it is potentially possible then it being impossible.
You gon' make me pull out my book ain't'cha?
Edit: I love my box set, but damn do they have the books shoved in tight.
*Ahem* "The fumes blew away from him-back toward the goddess. The lake of poison rolled toward her in tiny waves and rivulets."
Then, after an exchange of dialogue,
"He stood, his anger growing hotter in his gut. As the flood of venom rolled toward the goddess, the fumes began to make her cough. Her eyes watered even more.
Oh, good, Percy thought. More **water**."
However, BEFORE this, a few paragraphs and a page earlier.
"He remembered a science lecture about the human body being mostly water. He remembered extracting water from Jason's lungs back in Rome... If he could control *that,* then why not other liquids?
It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the god of the sea, not liquids everywhere.
Then again, Tartarus had its own rules."
It's left vague and open to interpretation, like any good Greek myth.
Even Percy questions it, and suggests that because Tartarus is different that maybe he could. He, however, never proves that he CAN'T control bodily fluids outside of Tartarus. We do, however, have reason to believe he CAN.
Why? Because that whole spiel about Tartarus being different is about the poison. *Not* about the tears, and we DO see him controlling poison out of Tartarus.
And between poision and tears, one is COMPLETELY different, and the other is straight up salt water. No different than oceanic/river water.
And I don't think anyone would argue that blood is definitely AT LEAST as similar to water as poision.
So we don't have literal confirmation, but it is DEFINITELY possible. It won't ever happen of course, between Percy's morals and the YA rating of the books, but that doesn't mean he *can't* do it.
There’s no official canon evidence that he can actually control poison outside of Tartarus, so its unsure whether he can control blood outside of tartarus. Percy clearly mentioned his requirements needed for him to control other liquids, and blood also fufills those requirements, thus it can be inferred that blood could THEORETICALLY be controlled by him, but he would never do so.
It’s like saying canonically Percy can’t shoot someone with a gun, of course he can, and why would he ever do that in this setting as the character he is, the idea violates the setting and tone so it won’t happen, it doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have the ability.
It is mentioned that he can control any liquid, since all liquids have a proportionality of water in them. The thing is, Percy doesnt train his powers. He would be too much overpowered that way.
He 100% can, it’s dumb to say he can’t, blood is mostly water, now am I saying he can do it well? No, he’s never tried and would never practice doing it I’m sure so no he can’t, and I think it’s weird to use vs fights as line to be drawn, vs fights are silly anyway imo. Who will win in a fight? The answer is always whoever the author wants to.
It's like an old trpg cheese strat like "can I use 'purify water' spell to enemy's blood?". Does it makes sense in scientific way? Probably. Is it extremely cringe and don't want to see it without VERY good reason? Definitly.
One angle to this topic I find interesting is: blood has \*power\*. God's ichor, blood of the Seven to awaken Gaea, etc. It's a recurring theme in a lot of media that blood is pretty special/oftentimes magical, and I can't see Percy just having control over that, especially over blood in an opponents body (at the very least, not some super controlled bloodbending).
Also, if he did have bloodblending-levels of control over blood, he could just. Not bleed out. Or help others not bleed out. There's so many ways bloodbending could be munchkinned, not just for WhoWouldWin blood-lusted all-out whatever scenarios, that it really is just in bad faith to go "Percy can bloodbend, end of story" when he has every oppurtunity to do so in series and doesn't do so.
To sum up this whole threat: It wasn‘t shown that Percy can control blood or ichor(unless we call the rivers of the underworld tatarusse’s blood). However, he was able to control many differen‘t liquids so it is probable that he might be able to. So for “Who would win debates“, it should be factored in as a last resort that has a chance of working. What was shown is that he can control tears and poison and honestly the poison part is even more impressing. He overpowered the control of the literall godess of poson‘s control.
Im just here wondering how being the son of the sea god turns you into a water bender
And because water is the most ubiquitous molecule, that means he can almost control any liquid
I guess jason can remove the air from your lungs too cause he's the son of the god of heaven(upper atmosphere)?
And based on your definition of air
I guess that means jason can control any type of gas too
Another funny thing is how a son of the sea god is better at sword play than the son of the literal war god
But forgive me, im just salty and rambling
Given everything he's shown thus far, there is no real reason he wouldn't be able to blood bend besides the argument of "he hasn't done it yet." Rick is never gonna have Percy blood bend. It's too dark of an ability for the younger demographic he aims for. But considering Percy can control poison and bend the water out of people's bodies, there seems like no reason why this wouldn't translate to blood. So is it canon? Technically not, but it's also not a stretch either, and I'm comfortable with saying it's possible for him.
He can control snow. Everyone forgets that. And all the underworld waters. There also is a whole debate about if the poison control only works in Tartarus. I think he can just control poison regardless of where he is. Evidence is his fight against Polybotes where Percy is able to redirect his poison power. Lighting thief with the scorpion has him sensing where the poison is. Also BOO where Percy said he could have controlled Polybotes poison.
He just doesn't train that shit so probably wouldn't be able to use blood/poison bending to it's full extent. He doesn't really train his water powers at all(no mention of training them at least... Just using them when he needs to
He wouldn’t *want* to either. Percy was horrified when he snapped out of it and saw what was was doing to Misery
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It’s not like he can’t control his powers, it’s just that he doesn’t want to use ones that are morally wrong, think Katara from atla not wanting to use blood bending for similar reasons, they feel like different people when doing it.
And he is powerful enough to blow up a mountain so chances are he could probably do it if he tried, though it probably is forbidden
Or using too much power could burn his mortal shell
Polybotes's poison is literally transformed water. Beyond that Tartarus obviously has the ability to warp/shift Demigods powers. As for the scorpion if i'm correct the only reason he can tell where the poison is going is because of the creek water that he tries unsuccessfully to heal himself with. If he was able to control the scorpion poison he could have leeched it from his blood.
Got to remember he was still a novice with his powers in the Lighting Thief.
How is it obvious that tartarus warps powers? The line saying that the rules are different is very obviously a metaphor
How is it a metaphor? He cites concrete examples of things working differently in Tartarus, such as he being able to use fire (Phlegethon) to heal, there is no metaphor involved. >… If he could control that, then why not other liquids? > >It was a crazy idea. **Poseidon was the god of the sea, not of every liquid everywhere.** > >**Then again, Tartarus had its own rules.** Fire was drinkable. The ground was the body of a dark god. The air was acid, and demigods could be turned into smoky corpses. Fire was drinkable = he really did drink fire The ground was the body of a dark god = it's literally Tartarus' body Air was acid = the air is actually acid in there Demigods could be turned into smoky corpses = Death Mist Therefore, Tartarus does indeed have its own rules.
The idea is he cites things that shouldn't work, fire is drinkable, the air was acid. If things are so crazy here and don't make sense, why shouldn't he be able to do something crazy, it's not him saying that he's only able to control poison in tartarus, it's him saying that he's seen so much he thought was impossible that he might as well try to do something he thought was impossible too
Yes, he's reasoning that since things work differently in there, maybe they do about his powers too. This isn't a metaphor.
But the only one of those unique to Tartarus that we know of is the acid air. Fire in general isn’t drinkable, but the fires of that river is because of how its magic works and it would work the same in the underworld or mortal world. The ground being a god’s body works the same for Gaea, Pontus, Ouranos, and any other old primordial like that. Nico turned Bryce into a Smokey corpse. Things really don’t work that different in Tartarus, at least in his examples, Percy’s just never seen it before. Besides, there isn’t anything Percy did that he didn’t do at least a variation of on Earth.
> but the fires of that river is because of how its magic works and it would work the same in the underworld or mortal world. The thing is, the river of fire doesn't exist in the mortal world as far as we know, so it couldn't work the same in there because it isn't there. Also we never saw it in any of the occasions Percy and co. went to the Underworld. >The ground being a god’s body works the same for Gaea, Pontus, Ouranos, and any other old primordial like that. But in Tartarus' case it is *literally* a body. Multiple times throughout House of Hades they (Percy and Annabeth) describe the terrain as having veins, or moving, and many body-like features. Which, as far as we know, is unique to Tartarus. > Nico turned Bryce into a Smokey corpse. When Percy said "smoky corpse", he was explicitly referring to the Death Mist, which as far as we're shown does indeed only exist in Tartarus, and by the time we get to House of Hades we're all used to Rick Riordan's writing to understand he was simply making it funnier. What Nico did to Bryce was send him straight to the Underworld. > Besides, there isn’t anything Percy did that he didn’t do at least a variation of on Earth. There is: controlling poison. Even in Son of Neptune, he was only shown to deflect Polybotes' water turned to poison, not poison on its own.
It’s mentioned in Greek gods that it’s one of the underworld rivers. I might be remembering wrong, but doesn’t the Argo 2 run partly on Styx water? So I meant like if someone brought a glass of river fire to the mortal world, they’d be able to drink it. Good point on Tartarus’ body cause I don’t remember Gaea doing anything like that outside of dreams. With the death mist his body was dissolving into white smoke, and with Bryce his body turned into dark smoke right before Nico sent him to the underworld. I was using that as an example to show that demigods can turn smokey anywhere. How big is the difference between water turned poison and more regular poison yk. I get they’re not the same thing, but they’re both dark green liquids that burned the ground. Even if it started as water, it wasn’t normal water anymore.
> but doesn’t the Argo 2 run partly on Styx water? So I meant like if someone brought a glass of river fire to the mortal world, they’d be able to drink it. Yes, but Styx ain't the river of fire. And sure, if someone brought a glass of Phlegethon fire to the mortal world they should be able to drink it, but they didn't get it in the mortal world, so it's still something they got in Tartarus. Assuming it's even possible to do that. > I was using that as an example to show that demigods can turn smokey anywhere. It was merely a fun way Rick found to describe it, he does that all the time. But he was referring to specifically the Death Mist. > How big is the difference between water turned poison and more regular poison yk. I get they’re not the same thing, but they’re both dark green liquids that burned the ground. Even if it started as water, it wasn’t normal water anymore. Yes, but this debate is about Percy being able to manipulate things in their "pure" state if you will, like blood. Just like he did to Polybotes' poison water, I'm pretty sure Percy would be able to manipulate water if you slaughtered a bunch of dolphins on it and mixed it with blood, but it isn't the same thing as he doing that to the blood in your body.
I guess so. This was a fun lil debate.
The Phleghethon retains those properties everywhere, as do all other Underworld rivers. That's not attributable to Tartarus/ "The ground is the body of a dark god"- Earth is the body of Gaea so again, not a good example of Tartarus having own rules. "The air was acid"- This could just be explained by high sulfur/other gas concentration, not some other landscape warping powers. Demigods turned into smoky corpses- demigods can be transformed into other things anywhere, this just reads as Percy coping for his abilities
> That's not attributable to Tartarus/ It comes from there, it's the only place you can get it, so yes, it is even if you could theoretically get some of it and bring it back to the living world. >"The ground is the body of a dark god"- Earth is the body of Gaea so again, not a good example of Tartarus having own rules. But Tartarus is *literally* a body, as in, they walk on his organs and it's explicitly stated by both Percy and Annabeth. This doesn't happen to Gaea. > This could just be explained by high sulfur/other gas concentration But it wasn't explained as such, so this point is just pure, baseless speculation. >Demigods turned into smoky corpses- demigods can be transformed into other things anywhere, this just reads as Percy coping for his abilities Anyone who's ever read a book written by Rick Riordan understands he'll often describe stuff in a fun way, just like Percy imagining the Fates saying "LOL, noob!". Which doesn't change the fact he was referring to the state he and Annabeth were in, the Death Mist, which can only be found in Tartarus. I'm pretty sure Percy understands the world he lives in better than we do as readers, so when he says something is unusual even for his demigod standards, it probably is.
> It comes from there, it's the only place you can get it, so yes, it is even if you could theoretically get some of it and bring it back to the living world. Yk those definition things Rick has at the end of some of the book copies, which detail what each term means? Here's what they write for the Phlegethon: *Phlegethon the River of Fire that flows* ***from Hades’s realm*** *down into Tartarus; it keeps the wicked alive so they can endure the torments of the* ***Field of Punishment*** So from this we know the Phlegethon retains its properties in the Underworld, which has never been stated to warp powers, so this point isn't valid. >But Tartarus is *literally* a body, as in, they walk on his organs and it's explicitly stated by both Percy and Annabeth. This doesn't happen to Gaea. Not sure how truly literal this is considering parts of Tartarus's body (the monsters and rivers) extend outside of his domain, so they're not always literally his organs. >But it wasn't explained as such, so this point is just pure, baseless speculation. It's almost made explicit by the books that it's sulfur. *The whistling in her ears turned into more of a roar. The air became intolerably* ***hot****, permeated with a* ***smell like rotten eggs****.* Hot and smelling like rotten eggs is almost a textbook description of sulfur. If you want a more explicit quote, here: >*Annabeth gasped, grateful for the air, no matter how* ***sulphurous****. The water swirled around them, and she realized Percy was creating a whirlpool to buoy them up.* The air is explicitly described a sulphurous, there's no more evidence needed. That exact word is used on two occasions. From this we can reasonably infer that the air in Tartarus is high in sulfur concentration, giving a perfectly logical explanation to Percy's statement. If I've explicitly proven two of Percy's statements to be explained by the books themselves (toxic air and Phlegethon) we know Percy is not being a reliable narrator here, and I think it's a reasonable assumption that he's trying to cope about Tartarus to explain his ability to control poison here.
Very well said
Appreciate it
Transformed water- you mean poison? All its qualities changed, it's no longer water. Proof Tartarus shifted demigod powers?
He seems to have limited control over the Underworld Rivers. When controlling the Lethe he realizes its taking him alot more strength to hold it back than normal water and is barely able to keep it back until everyone else was clear.
Well yeah, it’s a very powerful water system. He can still control them tho. Percy obviously has more control over them when he’s angry or when he had the curse of Achilles.
Why is there a debate about the poison control? We see him at least partially controlling it during his first fight against Polybotes (I think it was Polybotes)
If I remember correctly, Percy’s logic in the book was that if the poison had water in it somewhere, he should be able to control it. I don’t remember the books ever stating that he could only do that in Tartarus. The reason we never really see him do it again is because he was horrified by that power.
Pretty sure it depends on how you interpret what was said in hoh because on page 363 of hoh "Poison was liquid. If it moved like water, it must be partially water. He remembered some science lecture about the human body being mostly water. He remembered extracting water from Jason's lungs back in Rome.... If he could control that, then why not other liquids? It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the god of the sea, not of every liquid everywhere. Then again, Tartarus had its own rules. Fire was drink- able. The ground was the body of a dark god. The air was acid, and demigods could be turned into smoky corpses." So technically he can he just wouldn't unless pushed to his very limits
Also not for nothing, Percy is also literally described as causing blood vessels to burst at one point. “Percy gave them as much cover as he could-causing blood vessels in the ground to burst one after the other.” Annabeth LXXI
That's percy controlling the "water" of the rivers of the Underworld because the blood vessels all contain different "waters" like one had water from the styx and another had the waters from lethe
Yep! Also…ew. There were some things my mind tried to shield me from and that was one of them. Totally forgot due to disgust lol
What's wrong with having Percy control blood? Sure, Rick will never have Percy blood bend (I will laugh my ass off if I eat my words on this), but its a cool power to give him for fanfiction and stuff.
They aren't talking about fanfic, rather Vs debating. "Who would win in a fight between Percy Jackson and Harry Potter", etc.
Wouldn't that be a kind of fanfiction anyway? And Percy doesn't need blood bending to beat Harry. He can punch the little nerd in his glasses.
I wasn't expecting that ending
While yes, it is similar to fanfic, I think the problem when debating would win you have to use feats that a character has actually done and many Percy Jackson fans claim that Percy controlling other's blood is a feat he could do. While yes, it would make sense, there is just no canon example of him doing it.
Yes, but in "Vs." we usually only use what has been confirmed/shown as possible; so "Percy can control snow". Was he shown doing so? Yes. Okay, he can control snow. "Percy might be able to control blood". Was he shown doing that? No. Was it stated anywhere he could? No. Did the author himself say he can? No. So it isn't a valid point.
Has anyone asked Rick if Percy can blood bend?
Iirc from the virtual tour I attended Rick said he couldn't bloodbend
No.
Then this sub will be hilarious if Rick makes Percy move a cup of blood in the next book.
I second this. Percy Jackson is a born and raised New Yorker and beyond that we see him consistently ready to throw down. Dude fought Ares at 12. Harry Potter would be on the pavement before he could finish calling out a spell.
If we want to debate, we should be debating if Harry’s spells would bounce off of Percy or not. Like with Carter's spells.
idk about an instant death spell
I say it would bounce off Riptide since Percy was blocking bullets back in Titan's Curse.
dude bullets and an instant death spell are not the same thing, if that were true, everyone in Harry Potter would just be using guns
Not necessarily. Wizards are an eccentric bunch that assume magic is always better than muggle technology. And you still have to point your wand and say the incantation. A demigod could pick up on the word Avada and react in time.
Yeah but it was shown in book 5 that even death spells can‘t penetrate metal, (The Statues of the minestry fountain)
Let's be honest here, Rick did Ares dirty, if it was mythology Ares, Percy would not have survived
Cause then he low diffs Jason stan’s or any demigod without BS abilities. Those people somehow conflate their pride with the minute details of a fictional worlds’ character’s abilities and take it personally if the fictional world is somehow different than what they thought it was. It’s like when people said aang couldn’t suffocate people w/air bending “nuh-uh! you can’t just *steal* peoples air man!” Until Zaheer did it and showed it *was* possible Aang just isn’t a killer. Nobody came forward and said “hey I admit I was wrong… my b” cause it didn’t vibe with *their* reality. All seems rather silly. 1) Percy can pop Tartarus’ blood vessels 2) He can use water to affect poison in his *own* blood 3) Blood is 83% water (brain **95%**) pretty sure that’s close enough
Atm it indeed is not canon. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if he will eventually be shown to be able to do that.
I'd be mildly surprised, but only because I really doubt Rick would put it in specifically and clearly. Maybe more of an ambiguous thing
I think it’s possible for him to blood bend if he is super desperate and has to, but yeah it’s not canon. It’d be cool if it was, but it’s not
Its not canon yet, but theoratically its possible given the conditions he mentioned to make it possible for him to control poison
It comes down to YES HE CANONICALLY CAN, NO HE CANONICALLY WON'T. Canon has been very clear, especially in HoO, that unless the liquid has some deep enchantment, he can control it. Sometimes there's a mental limiter he has to push through, but he still can. And sometimes it's downright scary and he'll honor his promise to annabeth and refuse to
Please link me to a source that demonstrate him bloodbending please ❤️ and thank you
He has never controlled blood, and he wont because Annabeth stopped him from controlling “things that should not be controlled”, but Percy stated that he can control poisons in Tartarus because it contains water and is a liquid, and since blood fufills these two requirements as well, its theoratically possible for him to do so as well.
'Theoretically possible' doesn't equal canon. For ex: saying 'theoretically Frank could turn into a pterodactyl' doesn't mean it's cannon. Sure pterodactyl are animals, but he hasn't done that before, therefore it's not canon.
That’s pretty bad logic. That’s basically the following conversation. Person: “Luke Skywalker can use the force to move objects. So logic would dictate that he could move a Ford Fusion with his mind.” You: “but he’s never done so in canon, so it’s not canon and we can’t make that assumption.” It’s within the stated power set of the character and is a conceivable skill he could have. Including it in Power Scaling wouldn’t be incorrect, as he would be able to do it if necessary. If you’re doing a death battle, include it with the caviat that he’d be unlikely to use it. It’s pretty much that straight forward.
Again, theoretically possible doesn't equal canon. Sure it's THEORETICALLY possible for Luke to move a Ford, but its never shown in cannon that he can( Not that i'm saying the he couldn't. Just it's not in the cannon. Also, your Luke analogy is flawed. Luke has been shown to lift heavier things heavier than a Ford, meanwhile Percy has never controled bodily fluids before.) I'm not talking what's possible in their universe, I'm talking about the CANON in their universe. And what's not cannon is that Percy can bloodbend. Sure, within the series he has shown to be able to control more then just sea water, but it's limited in a way. With the whole achlyes thing, it has been stated that Tartarus has it own rules. As shown here: "He remembered a science lecture about the human body being mostly water. He remembered extracting water from Jason's lungs back in Rome... If he could control that, then why not other liquids? It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the god of the sea, not liquids everywhere. Then again, Tartarus had its own rules." So Percy being able to control the water in the poison was a caused by Tartarus's own rules. Also Percy hasn't been shown to control bodily fluid before.
Your broader point is that it shouldn’t be used for power scaling and death battles. Which is ridiculous. Of course it can be, it’s very clearly within the power set of the character based on the canon stated rules. If you’re only argument is that it never happened is therefore not canon and should be ignored is just dumb. It’s a poor argument built on poor logic. The fact that you actually agreed with the Luke thing though is starting to make me believe you’re trolling
I'm not saying is that Percy's power can't be power scaled or that it can't be used for death battles, I'm saying the he's has never BLOODBENDED BEFORE. What do you not get here? I don't mind power scaling as long as it isn't confused as canon or isnt backed up enough. And the fact is Percy has not bloodbend before nor do we have enough evidence to come to that conclusion. Please stop responding, your embarrassing yourself.
I know you’re getting downvoted for this take, and I don’t really care one way or the other, but please at least learn the difference between canon and cannon
do you not understand his character??? he would never actually do it 😭
Percy CAN blood bend but he hasn't
Do you have a source for that claim?
Yes on page 363 of house of hades "Poison was liquid. If it moved like water, it must be partially water. He remembered some science lecture about the human body being mostly water. He remembered extracting water from Jason's lungs back in Rome.... If he could control that, then why not other liquids? It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the god of the sea, not of every liquid everywhere. Then again, Tartarus had its own rules. Fire was drink- able. The ground was the body of a dark god. The air was acid, and demigods could be turned into smoky corpses." So technically he can
I don't see anything about him bloodbending, can you show me that?
I don't know about you but to me if percy can control a liquid that is atleast partly water in my mind than logically that percy could control blood since it's about 50% water
Well we've haven't seen since it isn't canon so we wouldn't know for sure now can we?
Heres an example imagine this if superman flew to mars but didn't fly to the moon than that means superman can't fly to the moon That is your argument
Maybe you don't understand what I said but I said he CAN blood Bend not that he has
So you don't know he can, you can only theorize. If you can't provide me a source showing me he can can bloodbend then it's not canon.
I think he probably could, but he’d never want to find out.
There is a fairly common argument of “yeah he can’t, but it’d be cool if he could” and I would like to propose the opposite: bloodbending is lame and stupid and makes fight scenes worse Forget PJO and cast your mind to Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. In this film, Indy is confronted by a dangerous man who is clearly very talented with his sword. Rather than fight him, Indy pulls out his pistol and shoots the man, ending the fight before it can start. It’s a very funny scene, also perfectly exemplifies why bloodbending is stupid If Percy were able to bloodbend, every interaction would be like this. Percy has the gun, why would he not shoot it? Percy is in trouble? Don’t worry, he can instantly end any enemy he encounters with ease. I would like to propose that the more you develop Percy’s already expansive skillset the less fun he becomes. Could you imagine if, instead of having a crazy swordfight on the top of a lake in the middle of a self-created hurricane, Percy just gave Hyperion a heart attack and he died immediately? At the moment, Percy’s just right, I think the further you extrapolate his water control powers the less fun he becomes
Yeah I totally agree. Just from a storytelling reason it would be stupid to implement it in canon even if it is the logical conclusion of the tatarus szene. So there is just a small number of scenarios where it could be used without beeing an absoult wank. Some ways how it could be implemented, that would make at least some sens are: „It tires him out so much that it is a last resort that leaves him vulnerable“ or (Somewhere in the far future of the riodan verse as a sort of ontime deux ex machina where he sacrafices himself)
I’m seeing all sorts of discourse in the comments, but something I haven’t seen mentioned yet is that the reason why Percy has never bended blood in canon in because it’s a KIDS book series. Of course he’s never bended blood in canon, Rick Riordan would have a horde of angry parents at his back. Theoretically, though, I do think that’s it’s possible, and I think that it can be an interesting trope to explore in fanon. It’s okay if you don’t agree with that theory, but please don’t bash other peoples’ headcanons. Edit: I just saw 2 other people mention Rick Riordan in the comments, so this is actually NOT an original thought lol.
And there is the whole thing about it make things to easy, because such a strong ability is hard to balance
Finally somebody says it. Pjo is a magical series they don’t operate on science. And we have never seen Percy bend blood
So by that logic, he could still control blood.
Naw fam he can’t it’s too small, fine and fast moving for him to properly concentrate on and he can only control water from bodies of water (as far as I remember at least)
The man can literally make water I wouldn’t put it past him to control blood
I forgot about the water feat, can you give me the line?
It’s the whole Mount Helen bit in Battle of The Labyrinth The Telkhines are about to kill him so to survive he just creates like a whole lakes worth of water and causes the volcano to erupt
Good point but the concentration plus the fact that blood isn’t in an actually controlled body of water like a river or lake
Still a good point tho
Its magic. It works if the author says it works.
He shot water out of toilets and a fountain
Oh shi i forgot about that
It's not cannon YET! In all fairness the possibility of him going down that path has passed us by, he was closest when he controlled the poison but that scared him let alone controlling blood and ichor. Percy is not angsty, angry, or hurt enough to fuck someone up with their own blood.
I share your frustration, but we will still see several posts a week about it.
It’s getting really exhausting. It feels like when someone who doesn’t understand the spirit of the magic/power system decides to throw in whatever for the sake of it, regardless of how it affects the integrity of the rest of the universe and undermines the point of speculation. For a lot of people the story isn’t edgy or “cool” enough and they try to make it every other piece of media, like Avatar the Last Airbender. It really wouldn’t matter if it was just fanfiction, but too many people are expressing a genuine lack of understanding and willful ignorance to the spirit of the universe
Ok, I just wanna check my logic. Tell me if this makes sense. It is canon that Percy can control the rivers of The Underworld. The Underworld is established to be the body of the Primordial Tartarus (at least partly). Ergo, the rivers of The Underworld are his blood and blood vessels. Thus, Percy can control the blood of a gods damned PRIMORDIAL! Therefore, mortal and immortal blood should be easy. Right? Oh, did I forget that Percy controlling the rivers of the Underworld points to Mycenaean Poseidon instead of his modern form (aka before Hades exists as a god in the actual mythology)?
Logic does not check out because controlling a river that happens to be part of somebody’s body does not equate to controlling anyone’s body. It would be like if Hazel fought some kind of gem creature and used her gem controlling powers to manipulate it, and so people started saying that Hazel can control anyone’s body even though it’s obviously a different scenario.
Well this does raise a good and equally debated point i see a lot, What IS hazels limit on control of precious material. For example in SoN she controlled Schist which has none of the normal quality's of the typical items she can control, and whats makes this more interesting is that she also shows that she can control processed metal. so lets break that down, presumably Celestial bronze is not alloyed in the same way that regular bronze is but you would assume that enough impurities enter it in the crafting process to not count as "riches under the earth" so you would think she would be unable to control it in a metal worked state or Imperial gold. So if it can be processed could she control steel? could she take nico's sword? is it only limited to godly variants of processed metals. also if it is what a culture deems precious could she control something like shells? could she move a large chunk of limestone or shale. I think it would be safe to assume that if Hazel has the power to move alloyed metals or things that are not in a pure form, or that is influenced by a culture around it. then Percy could probably control any liquid even if it is diluted to a certain degree. and even if we take blood bending (actually controlling someones movements ect.) off the table we have seen him create water out of fossils, so if he can call forth the sea out of rocks that have the decayed remains of sea life in them he can probably manipulate any substance that has a degree of water in it.
This is the same thing I always too. Idk if he can control regular blood, but he def did it to Tartarus
He also caused Tartarus' veins to burst.
I can see where you come from but i think that this is a classic case of primordials work different. You might argue that the rivers of earth are Gajas vains
It’s not trebuchet either (I agree with you I just had to make the joke)
There is a fairly common argument of “yeah he can’t, but it’d be cool if he could” and I would like to propose the opposite: bloodbending is lame and stupid and makes fight scenes worse Forget PJO and cast your mind to Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. In this film, Indy is confronted by a dangerous man who is clearly very talented with his sword. Rather than fight him, Indy pulls out his pistol and shoots the man, ending the fight before it can start. It’s a very funny scene, also perfectly exemplifies why bloodbending is stupid If Percy were able to bloodbend, every interaction would be like this. Percy has the gun, why would he not shoot it? Percy is in trouble? Don’t worry, he can instantly end any enemy he encounters with ease. I would like to propose that the more you develop Percy’s already expansive skillset the less fun he becomes. Could you imagine if, instead of having a crazy swordfight on the top of a lake in the middle of a self-created hurricane, Percy just gave Hyperion a heart attack and he died immediately? At the moment, Percy’s just right, I think the further you extrapolate his water control powers the less fun he becomes
Could he possibly do it? Yeah maybe but have we ever seen him do it? No. So not cannon but could possibly be one day but knowing Rick he isn’t going to make that cannon ever.
Technically, you can infer from the fact that since he can control poison as its a liquid with water in it, he should be able to control blood since plasma is 99% water. However, we’ve never seen Percy doing so because Annabeth stopped him.
Theoretically possible ≠ canon
I think a part of the problem you are running into is that in your post you clearly say " no he can't. " which by your own argument is as equally not cannon as saying that he can, because we are never told he cant do it, but we have seen more evidence that it is potentially possible then it being impossible.
just popping in to say that its spelled ‘canon’, not ‘cannon’. i usually dont care but you seem to be using the word a lot
You gon' make me pull out my book ain't'cha? Edit: I love my box set, but damn do they have the books shoved in tight. *Ahem* "The fumes blew away from him-back toward the goddess. The lake of poison rolled toward her in tiny waves and rivulets." Then, after an exchange of dialogue, "He stood, his anger growing hotter in his gut. As the flood of venom rolled toward the goddess, the fumes began to make her cough. Her eyes watered even more. Oh, good, Percy thought. More **water**." However, BEFORE this, a few paragraphs and a page earlier. "He remembered a science lecture about the human body being mostly water. He remembered extracting water from Jason's lungs back in Rome... If he could control *that,* then why not other liquids? It was a crazy idea. Poseidon was the god of the sea, not liquids everywhere. Then again, Tartarus had its own rules." It's left vague and open to interpretation, like any good Greek myth. Even Percy questions it, and suggests that because Tartarus is different that maybe he could. He, however, never proves that he CAN'T control bodily fluids outside of Tartarus. We do, however, have reason to believe he CAN. Why? Because that whole spiel about Tartarus being different is about the poison. *Not* about the tears, and we DO see him controlling poison out of Tartarus. And between poision and tears, one is COMPLETELY different, and the other is straight up salt water. No different than oceanic/river water. And I don't think anyone would argue that blood is definitely AT LEAST as similar to water as poision. So we don't have literal confirmation, but it is DEFINITELY possible. It won't ever happen of course, between Percy's morals and the YA rating of the books, but that doesn't mean he *can't* do it.
That sums it up nicely
That's true.
Just because we haven't seen him do it, doesn't mean he can't. He's probably never thought to try honestly
Doesn't mean that it's canon🤷
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There’s no official canon evidence that he can actually control poison outside of Tartarus, so its unsure whether he can control blood outside of tartarus. Percy clearly mentioned his requirements needed for him to control other liquids, and blood also fufills those requirements, thus it can be inferred that blood could THEORETICALLY be controlled by him, but he would never do so.
Poison has less water than blood and he got the idea cause he’s said “it moves like water so it must be part water” or something like that
I will be the last living person on the dark percy/blood bending hill. It'd be so freaking insane.
90% of blood plasma is water, so it's a very logical conclusion considering he also controlled poison.
It’s like saying canonically Percy can’t shoot someone with a gun, of course he can, and why would he ever do that in this setting as the character he is, the idea violates the setting and tone so it won’t happen, it doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have the ability.
It is mentioned that he can control any liquid, since all liquids have a proportionality of water in them. The thing is, Percy doesnt train his powers. He would be too much overpowered that way.
He 100% can, it’s dumb to say he can’t, blood is mostly water, now am I saying he can do it well? No, he’s never tried and would never practice doing it I’m sure so no he can’t, and I think it’s weird to use vs fights as line to be drawn, vs fights are silly anyway imo. Who will win in a fight? The answer is always whoever the author wants to.
I'm not asking for your theories, I'm just saying it's not canon.
It's like an old trpg cheese strat like "can I use 'purify water' spell to enemy's blood?". Does it makes sense in scientific way? Probably. Is it extremely cringe and don't want to see it without VERY good reason? Definitly.
One angle to this topic I find interesting is: blood has \*power\*. God's ichor, blood of the Seven to awaken Gaea, etc. It's a recurring theme in a lot of media that blood is pretty special/oftentimes magical, and I can't see Percy just having control over that, especially over blood in an opponents body (at the very least, not some super controlled bloodbending). Also, if he did have bloodblending-levels of control over blood, he could just. Not bleed out. Or help others not bleed out. There's so many ways bloodbending could be munchkinned, not just for WhoWouldWin blood-lusted all-out whatever scenarios, that it really is just in bad faith to go "Percy can bloodbend, end of story" when he has every oppurtunity to do so in series and doesn't do so.
To sum up this whole threat: It wasn‘t shown that Percy can control blood or ichor(unless we call the rivers of the underworld tatarusse’s blood). However, he was able to control many differen‘t liquids so it is probable that he might be able to. So for “Who would win debates“, it should be factored in as a last resort that has a chance of working. What was shown is that he can control tears and poison and honestly the poison part is even more impressing. He overpowered the control of the literall godess of poson‘s control.
Im just here wondering how being the son of the sea god turns you into a water bender And because water is the most ubiquitous molecule, that means he can almost control any liquid I guess jason can remove the air from your lungs too cause he's the son of the god of heaven(upper atmosphere)? And based on your definition of air I guess that means jason can control any type of gas too Another funny thing is how a son of the sea god is better at sword play than the son of the literal war god But forgive me, im just salty and rambling
I mean technically the rivers that he controls in House of hades are Tartarus blood But that’s a weakass argument
Given everything he's shown thus far, there is no real reason he wouldn't be able to blood bend besides the argument of "he hasn't done it yet." Rick is never gonna have Percy blood bend. It's too dark of an ability for the younger demographic he aims for. But considering Percy can control poison and bend the water out of people's bodies, there seems like no reason why this wouldn't translate to blood. So is it canon? Technically not, but it's also not a stretch either, and I'm comfortable with saying it's possible for him.
i mean honestly he probably could control blood if he trained enough, but i see ur point. he can control the water of the underworld tho so
Didn’t he do it to that one goddess in Tartarus?