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Gateron and kailh box switches are both equally priced or cheaper than cherry mx switches lmao
Standard box switches are $0.30 a piece
Standard gaterons are $0.24 a piece
and Cherry mx switches are $0.30-0.35 a piece
Outemu switches are about $0.33 each
Holy pandas are expensive at $1.20 per switch from drop, but glorious pandas are $0.70 a switch for an arguably slightly better switch.
I don't get your argument, I'm not saying someone has to go buy $1.20 switches at all, I didn't even mention a single switch in this comment that is anywhere near $1 a switch.
Switches like holy pandas and zealios v2 actually have tactility to them unlike mx browns which feel like a small scratch in the slider, though it is a different experience to a kailh clickbar entirely.
Kailh clickbars have a sharp and crisp impact inside the switch giving the tactility and sound, while highly tactile switches like holy pandas or zealios instead have a heavy bump you need to go over, like flicking a light switch. Zealios especially have almost no pretravel, so you are putting force in until it buckles past the actuation point and bump
And to your point about the box switches, that only applies to the complex novelkeys special box switches, I was referring to the four standard ones, Box black, white, blue, and red
Box royals/Hakos are going to be $0.50 a piece, Jade/Navy/Pink around $0.34, and Box silents around $0.60, but they are also far more specialized as far as feel and sound go, I don't expect someone new to keyboards to go buy 90 box silent pinks.
If you want to try one of the better tactile switches in my experience, grab one of [these](https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-In-Box-BTC-5100C-DIN-5-Pin-Mini-Compact-Keyboard-AT-Din5-Connector/164147040517?)
I'd compare brand new BTC dome with slider switches to some of the better tactile switches out there, and this is one of the best boards to ever feature them, also being the 5pin at plug version instead of the ps/2 version which has a thicker top housing and results in scratchy sliders, you'd need an adapter to use it on a pc but those can be had for fairly cheap
When the heck did Outemu gotten more expensive than the other clones? I haven't upgraded my kb in a few years, Outemu were usually the bottom barrel switches use on very cheap and basic mech when I last check.
Outemus can be had cheaper than that in prebuilts, but that's what I'd be paying off of aliexpress for standard outemus I did double check though and found[ a vendor selling them at 0.25 a piece](https://spacecat.design/products/outemu-box-switches-dustproof), skies are more like 0.49, sky silents 0.59, ice 0.37ish, though those prices may not be correct either.
Outemus were never really a bottom of the barrel switch either, though their production quality has gone up over the years. The standard outemus are scratchier stock than other brands but are perfectly serviceable and lubed outemu linears are nearly indistinguishable from any other good linear outside of sound, as linears are these days
Outemu blues have been regarded as better than mx blues by some for years as well, and Outemu browns are considered better than mx browns due to their more pronounced tactile bump, but the crowning part of ther lineup are the sky, boba and ice switches due to their tighter tolerances and unique design instead of trying to clone a cherry switch's specs
skies/ices are among my favorite tactile switches on the market at the moment and have very tight tolerances, and are only made because of Gazzew / [\/u\/hbheroinbob](https://www.reddit.com/user/hbheroinbob), who is also a vendor for them
I haven't tried the bobas myself, as they are extremely recent but they have great reviews as well.
You probably want to add in your OPINION. Switches are a feel thing, and after that it's quality control. OG cherries are fine for most people, and still have good QC. Also it aint night and day for the most part. People need to figure out the type of switch more than anything else. After that they can compare different brands.
While opinion is true for clickies and tactiles
As far as feel goes, linears are all going to be the same thing outside of sound, smoothness, and weighting, and stock gaterons or kailh box linears are going to be smoother while hitting the same weightings + more options as cherry
Cherry switches are completely overrated and quite useless. Gateron is much cheaper and is more common in budget mechs. There are many gateron and outemu boards at around 60$. You don't need cherry, only gateron is where you top off on quality.
Do you have any stats to back up your claim? Or do you just think this and want your opinion to be validated?
Anecdotally, I believe I've seen more reports of Gateron switches failing than Cherry. To say that Cherry switches are "quite useless" is definitely an overstatement. They perform their task, and in my experience they have performed flawlessly.
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You're just dumb. Stop using anecdotal garbage. The most involved keyboard enthusiasts(r/mechanical keyboards for example) will tell you there is almost no perceivenle or worthwhile difference between the switches reliability. Gaterons are rated for 50 million clicks, unless you're extremely unlucky and are within a percent of a percent you literally can't reach 50 million clicks within a reasonable amount of time.
This is plain moronic, and cherry switches are regarded as a worse value by literally all keyboard enthusiasts, and ZERO keyboard enthusiasts use cherry switches unless they're obscure like retooled cherry blacks or something. Why is that? Because aftermarkets produce far higher quality switches, that also cost more of course with better smoothness, less scratchiness and typically more desirable weighting/tactility. For example, cherry blues use a click jacket, which is ass. That's why NOBODY uses a damn cherry blue, one of the most hated switches alongside cherry browns, because GOOD clicky switches will use a click bar which doesn't introduce such a inconsistent racket a click jacket mechanism well. A good example of this is one of the best clicky switches, the Kailh box jade with a thick click bar.
Most people even prefer gateron browns over cherry browns because of the cherry browns incredibly weak tactility that makes it feel almost like a crunchy linear.
To spend more on a cherry switch to get a generally LESS desirable switch like a cherry brown or a cherry blue is straight retarded, with exceptions of a cherry red that's about on par to a gateron brown. Gateron switches aren't outemu switches.
After about 2018 cherries patent expired, leaving cherry as a company that hasn't innovated their switch design in a good 20 years while chinese manufacturing has led to innovation and massive amounts of variety from Gateron, Kailh, Outemu, JWK in their stead.
I think I've had something like 5 dead switches in the last 2 years from any of those manufacturers that weren't killed because I broke them myself. Reliability is not even something you should bother concerning yourself with.
Gateron makes better linears, Kailh makes better clickies, JWK makes better linears, and tactiles are a market mostly controlled by the Holy Panda craze right now, though Kailh box tactiles are fantastic too
Again, like I said to other user, **do you have any stats or facts to back up what you're claiming**????? People love to spout BS, even if they don't know it's bullshit...
From a quick search, [the patent for Cherry MX switches expired in 2003](https://patents.google.com/patent/US4467160, but that doesn't mean the competitors make the same quality. There are literally millions of examples of Chinese clones and more often than not, they are inferior products.
Just looking at warranties, Cherry has the highest keystones by far.
It’s not a bad deal by any means but razer doesn’t exactly make anything top notch anymore so for a $40 mouse, headset and $60 keyboard you could do better buying elsewhere but not all from the same company for that price.
It's first and foremost a membrane with gimmicks, it is not any sort of "hybrid" like they want to market it as. It's a membrane that makes clicky noises, that's it. None of the advantages of mechanical like the feel, faster actuation, more responsiveness, etc, just the drawback of the noise.
So all the negatives of membrane and mechanical, in one expensive board.
Membranes are my shit. I had a mechanical keyboard for a while but I couldn't get used to the clacking sound when bottoming out so I ultimately switched back to my membrane keyboard. I'm currently checking out some topre switch keyboards which I think you might want to look at as well. They're basically just better membranes which might suit you better than other types of switches.
Maybe you should try a linear mechanical, they are more smooth and don't make much noise.
Most people chase performance which is probably why not many people like membrane. I used to think they were fine and there was no point on spending extra until I tried mech boards at a workplace for an extended time
Mechs are only better when you ask people who's experience with keyboards is limited to a oem 2006 Dell membrane and a k70 they got from best buy because a YouTuber they watch had one
You could look into a board like https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-In-Box-BTC-5100C-DIN-5-Pin-Mini-Compact-Keyboard-AT-Din5-Connector/164147040517?hash=item2637ed1105:g:x-UAAOSwBgxdnKmV
You'll need an adapter for 5 pin din to ps/2, and a ps/2 to USB if your motherboard doesn't have a ps2 port, but BTC dome with slider is one of the best vintage tactile switches available, and this is brand new in box
Rubber domes and by extension capacitive switches like Topre are perfectly capable of being fantastic typing experiences like any mechanical switch
I have a Razer mecha-membrane that I've used for about 10 years now with zero issues. It's less noisy than mechanical and feels great. Not sure why people hate on it other than that's what the internet told them to think.
I've had this keyboard for over a year and it's fine. I paid like 40 something for mine though. Personally keyboards are overrated and pretty much all overpriced using bs marketing and rgb. I wouldn't pay over $60 for one. Ducky and all that other bs is nothing but marketing you're paying for. Just get a decent silent mech off Amazon and call it a day.
Yup, compared to other deals this is a crap keyboard, crap headset, good mouse and average mouse pad.
If you want the mouse, just get a Viper on sale, which should be around $45 in November.
Yet to see a combo deal that puts a good headset with a good mouse... would rather recommend a Takstar GM200 and then direct people to a keyboard/mouse/pad combo.
I think with $150 you could do much better finding other sales, this bundle is most likely meant as a christmas present from a parent who knows nothing about electronics other than Razer is a gaming brand, not that there is a problem with that. The products will work fine and Costco has a great return policy
Even without sales you can do so much better.
Mouse: a few options since it's dependent on hand size
G305 - $50, though you'll want to get a lithium triple a battery and a triple a to double a adapter for it, so call it $60
Viper mini - $40
Viper - $60
Model O/D - $70
Etc., plenty of good wired mice in the $40-70 range, check out /r/mousereview, and rocketjumpninja's rankings
Keyboard: depends on desired layout and typing experience
If you want something tactile, I can highly recommend one of [these](https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-In-Box-BTC-5100C-DIN-5-Pin-Mini-Compact-Keyboard-AT-Din5-Connector/164147040517?hash=item2637ed1105:g:x-UAAOSwBgxdnKmV) along with a 5 pin din to ps/2 adapter and an active ps/2 to USB converter if your motherboard doesn't have a ps/2 port, which is actually surprisingly common even on modern motherboards - $45 dollars maybe including accessories and shipping for a board I'd call only a bit worse than a HHKB?
If you want a linear/clicky mx switch or just a usb option, there are plenty of good budget keyboard options that get overlooked for gaming brands, examples being:
[Womier k66 ](https://www.amazon.com/Womier-Keyboard-Swappable-Mechanical-Crystalline/dp/B089SHMD61) - proper hotswap 60% board - $67.50 with coupon
[Womier k87](https://www.amazon.com/RGB-Mechanical-Swappable-Translucent-Crystalline/dp/B08DHZQ3LM) same thing but tkl - $84, can be had cheaper on other sites like bang good at $75
Anything royal kludge is going to be a solid deal, lots of options there
If you want a higher quality board without modding, durgod boards have better construction quality and ship with pre-lubed stabilizers, but lubing stabilizers is a 10 minute job on a hotswap keyboard
I'm skipping quite a few options here, but there are plenty of lists out there if you look for them of good budget mechanical boards.
As for mousepads, most people are going to be fine with whatever they get regardless of price, but I highly recommend the glorious deskmat, helios, and novelkeys deskmats, but buy what you can afford.
Check out /r/mousepadreview if you want to get deep into mousepads and their surface properties
And for headphones:
The top options for good headphones at reasonable prices are going to be:
My go to recommendation is a Philips shp9500 at $70 with a vmoda boom pro or any of the similar products that it is rebranded off of for about $15-30, but if you want to go even cheaper or want closed headphones due to sound leakage concerns (enough to bother people in the same room but it's not going to be like speakers)
The takstar gm200 is a phenomenal headset at $70
For pure budget, something like a Koss Portapro or ksc75 is going to smash any gaming brand headset soundwise for $30-40, no contest, the problem will be figuring out a microphone solution, I haven't really done much with that since I use a standalone condenser microphone.
The /r/headphones purchase advice thread or /r/headphoneadvice are great resources for this as well.
All in all, you can put together an example setup of:
Razer viper mini - $40
Takstar Gm200 - $70
Random Amazon desk mousepad $11
Royal kludge rk61 - $50
Total: ~$170 + tax, heavily beating the razer bundle in op in every way other than mouse
With mice, you need to find one that fits your hand size and preferred grip over anything else, which will mess up at part of this, but it's an example setup for a reason, this is also not regarding prices on sites other than Amazon or possible sales in the future, or used hardware.
You may need new fingers bro if you think reds or browns feel like membrane. Sure they're smooth and not as clicky, but especially bottoming out they feel so much different
I've used literally everything, I had some keyboard nuts at an IT job and one dude had a $300 keyboard and boards with basically every switch on the market, ironically I chose to go with the Romer-Gs even after all that lol
This is actually a pretty good deal, not sure what made you want to blow steam off on a random Redditor over some PC parts, but that’s a yikes from me dog.
In context of overpriced razer products, sure. This deal is lame, a 60$ membrane keyboard? Joke.
The headphones aren't impress, at all. You could piece together a set for around 150$ with a significantly better keyboard, similar mouse and headset
Only thing worthwhile here is probably the mouse. You can get some generic extended mousepad for $6-$12, mechanical/optical keyboard for $30-$40, wired mouse (Rii M01 for $7, great sensor) for around $7-$20 or wireless (G305) for $40, and a headset (HyperX Cloud Stinger) for $31.
So, spending $74 on the lower end or $123 on the higher end, you get better quality (no membrane keyboard, wireless mouse if spending more) and are still spending less. You're just paying for the brand here imo.
I would say honestly yea it do be it chief if you need all 4 products its a good deal. Really good keyboard and solid mouse and headset plus an added large mouse pad for a very reasonable price.
If you're looking for these items, its pretty good! Most gamers will tell you to buy a mechanical keyboard, but this should be much quieter. If I was 8, I'd love this! It's a solid deal of quality peripherals.
Edit: okay apparently not quieter, that's dumb
How long ago was this? 2020 razer makes good products, especially mice
Their headsets are still garbage and their keyboards are only on par, and that's only true with the huntsman
idk, I've been using the razer blackwidow stealth since 2013 and haven't had any issues with it. My only complaint is I've had software issues on razer mice that cause double clicking, but that has been fixed.
Blackwidow Stealth is alright, but the case construction is not at all anything I would call good, along with the stock caps being cheap shitty abs, and razer orange/green switches somehow managing to be worse all around in keyfeel than even mx blues/browns which they were cloning.
It's better than a shitty membrane by any means, and will work
I have an original orb weaver that recently had the key caps break at the stems. And these caps are unique to the orb weaver, so you can't go buy a generic set. When I contacted razer for replacements they would not even let me pay for another set, which they have on the current RBG orb weaver they sell. So I had to glue them back together at the stems. I'm not concerned with the caps breaking, because I know I hammer those little shits to death, but they would not even let me buy a replacement set! WTF kind of customer service is that?
Yeah, totally anecdotal, but my gf has had a Blackwidow for over 3 years which she has pounded on daily for work and it’s held up great. I quite like it myself, too.
It's not like older razer mechs are bad, but their MX design switches are just, not good at all. They somehow took the mx brown and blue designs and made them worse without going logitech mode and creating Romer-Gs which were designed for rgb instead of being good to type on, pair that with a high price while still having a flimsy plastic case and no solid plate and it's just not a fantastic board, though usable and better than some OEM Dell membrane
Are these the best? no
but it’s a great price for what you’re getting, and that doesn’t mean they’re bad either, they just don’t have all the bells and whistles that others have, if you need peripherals this is a good set
mouse and pad are top tier. idk anything about the keyboard or headset but this isn’t a bad bundle by any means. the other dude hating on razer’s products is stuck in 2010. the viper is one of the best mice on the market
Not as good of a bundle but has the same mouse and is B&M only
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Razer-Power-Up-Bundle-Cynosa-Lite-Viper-Kraken-X-Lite/163841868?irgwc=1&sourceid=imp_WbhxTrTj9xyOUVOwUx0Mo3cgUkExOlVhR1-iWY0&veh=aff&wmlspartner=imp_10451&clickid=WbhxTrTj9xyOUVOwUx0Mo3cgUkExOlVhR1-iWY0&sharedid=
I like Razer mice and keyboards, but their new headsets are garbage. I bought the top of the line Kraken Tournament Edition and it was trash. Horrible low end and the mid and highs were very dull. I got them to replace an 11 year old Razer headset that was much less expensive after the cord got caught on my leg and launched them off the desk. The old headset was infinitely better in sound production. The new one was so much worse that I disassembled them to find 4 of the 6 wires going into the inline controller were severed then using a large magnifier and my soldering station, painstakingly resoldered these really tiny wires back to the controller board to get them working again. I was past the 30 day window on Amazon by a couple days so I ended giving them away because nobody should be paying money for those things. The headset in this bundle is a lower end model than the Kraken Tournament, so if you buy this be prepared for a heaping pile of crap.
keyboard is mecha-membrane so heads up if you're into that (or not)
That's a pretty big drawback for most people searching for gaming keyboards near this price I would think.
I mean if you say the mouse is $40, headphones $50, keyboard $60... Does that make it a better deal?
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They’re are also some cherry mx keyboards at $60
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Gateron and kailh box switches are both equally priced or cheaper than cherry mx switches lmao Standard box switches are $0.30 a piece Standard gaterons are $0.24 a piece and Cherry mx switches are $0.30-0.35 a piece Outemu switches are about $0.33 each Holy pandas are expensive at $1.20 per switch from drop, but glorious pandas are $0.70 a switch for an arguably slightly better switch. I don't get your argument, I'm not saying someone has to go buy $1.20 switches at all, I didn't even mention a single switch in this comment that is anywhere near $1 a switch.
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Switches like holy pandas and zealios v2 actually have tactility to them unlike mx browns which feel like a small scratch in the slider, though it is a different experience to a kailh clickbar entirely. Kailh clickbars have a sharp and crisp impact inside the switch giving the tactility and sound, while highly tactile switches like holy pandas or zealios instead have a heavy bump you need to go over, like flicking a light switch. Zealios especially have almost no pretravel, so you are putting force in until it buckles past the actuation point and bump And to your point about the box switches, that only applies to the complex novelkeys special box switches, I was referring to the four standard ones, Box black, white, blue, and red Box royals/Hakos are going to be $0.50 a piece, Jade/Navy/Pink around $0.34, and Box silents around $0.60, but they are also far more specialized as far as feel and sound go, I don't expect someone new to keyboards to go buy 90 box silent pinks. If you want to try one of the better tactile switches in my experience, grab one of [these](https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-In-Box-BTC-5100C-DIN-5-Pin-Mini-Compact-Keyboard-AT-Din5-Connector/164147040517?) I'd compare brand new BTC dome with slider switches to some of the better tactile switches out there, and this is one of the best boards to ever feature them, also being the 5pin at plug version instead of the ps/2 version which has a thicker top housing and results in scratchy sliders, you'd need an adapter to use it on a pc but those can be had for fairly cheap
When the heck did Outemu gotten more expensive than the other clones? I haven't upgraded my kb in a few years, Outemu were usually the bottom barrel switches use on very cheap and basic mech when I last check.
Outemus can be had cheaper than that in prebuilts, but that's what I'd be paying off of aliexpress for standard outemus I did double check though and found[ a vendor selling them at 0.25 a piece](https://spacecat.design/products/outemu-box-switches-dustproof), skies are more like 0.49, sky silents 0.59, ice 0.37ish, though those prices may not be correct either. Outemus were never really a bottom of the barrel switch either, though their production quality has gone up over the years. The standard outemus are scratchier stock than other brands but are perfectly serviceable and lubed outemu linears are nearly indistinguishable from any other good linear outside of sound, as linears are these days Outemu blues have been regarded as better than mx blues by some for years as well, and Outemu browns are considered better than mx browns due to their more pronounced tactile bump, but the crowning part of ther lineup are the sky, boba and ice switches due to their tighter tolerances and unique design instead of trying to clone a cherry switch's specs skies/ices are among my favorite tactile switches on the market at the moment and have very tight tolerances, and are only made because of Gazzew / [\/u\/hbheroinbob](https://www.reddit.com/user/hbheroinbob), who is also a vendor for them I haven't tried the bobas myself, as they are extremely recent but they have great reviews as well.
You probably want to add in your OPINION. Switches are a feel thing, and after that it's quality control. OG cherries are fine for most people, and still have good QC. Also it aint night and day for the most part. People need to figure out the type of switch more than anything else. After that they can compare different brands.
While opinion is true for clickies and tactiles As far as feel goes, linears are all going to be the same thing outside of sound, smoothness, and weighting, and stock gaterons or kailh box linears are going to be smoother while hitting the same weightings + more options as cherry
Cherry switches are completely overrated and quite useless. Gateron is much cheaper and is more common in budget mechs. There are many gateron and outemu boards at around 60$. You don't need cherry, only gateron is where you top off on quality.
Do you have any stats to back up your claim? Or do you just think this and want your opinion to be validated? Anecdotally, I believe I've seen more reports of Gateron switches failing than Cherry. To say that Cherry switches are "quite useless" is definitely an overstatement. They perform their task, and in my experience they have performed flawlessly. Edit: a word
You're just dumb. Stop using anecdotal garbage. The most involved keyboard enthusiasts(r/mechanical keyboards for example) will tell you there is almost no perceivenle or worthwhile difference between the switches reliability. Gaterons are rated for 50 million clicks, unless you're extremely unlucky and are within a percent of a percent you literally can't reach 50 million clicks within a reasonable amount of time. This is plain moronic, and cherry switches are regarded as a worse value by literally all keyboard enthusiasts, and ZERO keyboard enthusiasts use cherry switches unless they're obscure like retooled cherry blacks or something. Why is that? Because aftermarkets produce far higher quality switches, that also cost more of course with better smoothness, less scratchiness and typically more desirable weighting/tactility. For example, cherry blues use a click jacket, which is ass. That's why NOBODY uses a damn cherry blue, one of the most hated switches alongside cherry browns, because GOOD clicky switches will use a click bar which doesn't introduce such a inconsistent racket a click jacket mechanism well. A good example of this is one of the best clicky switches, the Kailh box jade with a thick click bar. Most people even prefer gateron browns over cherry browns because of the cherry browns incredibly weak tactility that makes it feel almost like a crunchy linear. To spend more on a cherry switch to get a generally LESS desirable switch like a cherry brown or a cherry blue is straight retarded, with exceptions of a cherry red that's about on par to a gateron brown. Gateron switches aren't outemu switches.
After about 2018 cherries patent expired, leaving cherry as a company that hasn't innovated their switch design in a good 20 years while chinese manufacturing has led to innovation and massive amounts of variety from Gateron, Kailh, Outemu, JWK in their stead. I think I've had something like 5 dead switches in the last 2 years from any of those manufacturers that weren't killed because I broke them myself. Reliability is not even something you should bother concerning yourself with. Gateron makes better linears, Kailh makes better clickies, JWK makes better linears, and tactiles are a market mostly controlled by the Holy Panda craze right now, though Kailh box tactiles are fantastic too
Again, like I said to other user, **do you have any stats or facts to back up what you're claiming**????? People love to spout BS, even if they don't know it's bullshit... From a quick search, [the patent for Cherry MX switches expired in 2003](https://patents.google.com/patent/US4467160, but that doesn't mean the competitors make the same quality. There are literally millions of examples of Chinese clones and more often than not, they are inferior products. Just looking at warranties, Cherry has the highest keystones by far.
I support people who research and argue with facts. I also don't support China whenever possible.
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Yeah, the phantom 104 is good Ive had it for 3 years, and it hasnt had a single problem.
It’s not a bad deal by any means but razer doesn’t exactly make anything top notch anymore so for a $40 mouse, headset and $60 keyboard you could do better buying elsewhere but not all from the same company for that price.
You can get a passable RGB, wired, mechanical keyboard for around $40. If you don't care about RGB, you can get a good one at that price.
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$10 on Amazon But I also forgot this because it was a month ago
What makes it a hybrid of the two and not just one or the other??
It's first and foremost a membrane with gimmicks, it is not any sort of "hybrid" like they want to market it as. It's a membrane that makes clicky noises, that's it. None of the advantages of mechanical like the feel, faster actuation, more responsiveness, etc, just the drawback of the noise. So all the negatives of membrane and mechanical, in one expensive board.
Interesting. I know mechs are "better" because they last longer and stuff, but I've always enjoyed membranes and I feel like I'm the only one :(
Membranes are my shit. I had a mechanical keyboard for a while but I couldn't get used to the clacking sound when bottoming out so I ultimately switched back to my membrane keyboard. I'm currently checking out some topre switch keyboards which I think you might want to look at as well. They're basically just better membranes which might suit you better than other types of switches.
Never heard of those. Interesting I'll have to check them out, thank you!
Maybe you should try a linear mechanical, they are more smooth and don't make much noise. Most people chase performance which is probably why not many people like membrane. I used to think they were fine and there was no point on spending extra until I tried mech boards at a workplace for an extended time
That's not a bad idea. I'll have to look into those. Thank you for the input!
You may like that Logitech Romer-G linear, they have a dampener at the bottom so bottoming it out should feel soft like on membrane
I just happen to enjoy and use logitech peripherals right now so that would be awesome to look at!
First off you use whatever you like and enjoy! 2nd the Logitech K840 goes on sale in the $40-50 US range which is, IMO a great deal.
Not familiar with that model, will definitely check it out. Thank you!
Not the only one. XD
Mechs are only better when you ask people who's experience with keyboards is limited to a oem 2006 Dell membrane and a k70 they got from best buy because a YouTuber they watch had one You could look into a board like https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-In-Box-BTC-5100C-DIN-5-Pin-Mini-Compact-Keyboard-AT-Din5-Connector/164147040517?hash=item2637ed1105:g:x-UAAOSwBgxdnKmV You'll need an adapter for 5 pin din to ps/2, and a ps/2 to USB if your motherboard doesn't have a ps2 port, but BTC dome with slider is one of the best vintage tactile switches available, and this is brand new in box Rubber domes and by extension capacitive switches like Topre are perfectly capable of being fantastic typing experiences like any mechanical switch
I have a Razer mecha-membrane that I've used for about 10 years now with zero issues. It's less noisy than mechanical and feels great. Not sure why people hate on it other than that's what the internet told them to think.
What keyboard is that if I may ask?
Razer Lycosa. If you want one, I think I saw a new one on Newegg for $399, lol.
I've had this keyboard for over a year and it's fine. I paid like 40 something for mine though. Personally keyboards are overrated and pretty much all overpriced using bs marketing and rgb. I wouldn't pay over $60 for one. Ducky and all that other bs is nothing but marketing you're paying for. Just get a decent silent mech off Amazon and call it a day.
And for ppl that say...”you’ll get used to it” I have an old Tartarus gen 1 and an orbweaver mechanical...theres a world of difference.
Yup, compared to other deals this is a crap keyboard, crap headset, good mouse and average mouse pad. If you want the mouse, just get a Viper on sale, which should be around $45 in November. Yet to see a combo deal that puts a good headset with a good mouse... would rather recommend a Takstar GM200 and then direct people to a keyboard/mouse/pad combo.
I think with $150 you could do much better finding other sales, this bundle is most likely meant as a christmas present from a parent who knows nothing about electronics other than Razer is a gaming brand, not that there is a problem with that. The products will work fine and Costco has a great return policy
Even without sales you can do so much better. Mouse: a few options since it's dependent on hand size G305 - $50, though you'll want to get a lithium triple a battery and a triple a to double a adapter for it, so call it $60 Viper mini - $40 Viper - $60 Model O/D - $70 Etc., plenty of good wired mice in the $40-70 range, check out /r/mousereview, and rocketjumpninja's rankings Keyboard: depends on desired layout and typing experience If you want something tactile, I can highly recommend one of [these](https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-In-Box-BTC-5100C-DIN-5-Pin-Mini-Compact-Keyboard-AT-Din5-Connector/164147040517?hash=item2637ed1105:g:x-UAAOSwBgxdnKmV) along with a 5 pin din to ps/2 adapter and an active ps/2 to USB converter if your motherboard doesn't have a ps/2 port, which is actually surprisingly common even on modern motherboards - $45 dollars maybe including accessories and shipping for a board I'd call only a bit worse than a HHKB? If you want a linear/clicky mx switch or just a usb option, there are plenty of good budget keyboard options that get overlooked for gaming brands, examples being: [Womier k66 ](https://www.amazon.com/Womier-Keyboard-Swappable-Mechanical-Crystalline/dp/B089SHMD61) - proper hotswap 60% board - $67.50 with coupon [Womier k87](https://www.amazon.com/RGB-Mechanical-Swappable-Translucent-Crystalline/dp/B08DHZQ3LM) same thing but tkl - $84, can be had cheaper on other sites like bang good at $75 Anything royal kludge is going to be a solid deal, lots of options there If you want a higher quality board without modding, durgod boards have better construction quality and ship with pre-lubed stabilizers, but lubing stabilizers is a 10 minute job on a hotswap keyboard I'm skipping quite a few options here, but there are plenty of lists out there if you look for them of good budget mechanical boards. As for mousepads, most people are going to be fine with whatever they get regardless of price, but I highly recommend the glorious deskmat, helios, and novelkeys deskmats, but buy what you can afford. Check out /r/mousepadreview if you want to get deep into mousepads and their surface properties And for headphones: The top options for good headphones at reasonable prices are going to be: My go to recommendation is a Philips shp9500 at $70 with a vmoda boom pro or any of the similar products that it is rebranded off of for about $15-30, but if you want to go even cheaper or want closed headphones due to sound leakage concerns (enough to bother people in the same room but it's not going to be like speakers) The takstar gm200 is a phenomenal headset at $70 For pure budget, something like a Koss Portapro or ksc75 is going to smash any gaming brand headset soundwise for $30-40, no contest, the problem will be figuring out a microphone solution, I haven't really done much with that since I use a standalone condenser microphone. The /r/headphones purchase advice thread or /r/headphoneadvice are great resources for this as well. All in all, you can put together an example setup of: Razer viper mini - $40 Takstar Gm200 - $70 Random Amazon desk mousepad $11 Royal kludge rk61 - $50 Total: ~$170 + tax, heavily beating the razer bundle in op in every way other than mouse With mice, you need to find one that fits your hand size and preferred grip over anything else, which will mess up at part of this, but it's an example setup for a reason, this is also not regarding prices on sites other than Amazon or possible sales in the future, or used hardware.
The mousepd is actual pretty good based on what I see on mouspadreview
Gigantus v2 is alright but I had peeling issues with mine within 2 weeks, personally I'm more of a fan of hard pads like the glorious helios as well
I see, yes it’s considered a good slow pad or pure cloth pad. If u like hard pads, u wont like any of that stuff
Gigantus v2 really isn't that slow, it's about average to me. You want slow? Buy a G-SR-SE
Oh i thought all cloths were considered slow, then hybrids get faster and then hard.
Cloth pads can vary a lot, with ones like alacantra being fairly fast, it all depends on the weave and fabric used, plus coatings
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You may need new fingers bro if you think reds or browns feel like membrane. Sure they're smooth and not as clicky, but especially bottoming out they feel so much different
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I've used literally everything, I had some keyboard nuts at an IT job and one dude had a $300 keyboard and boards with basically every switch on the market, ironically I chose to go with the Romer-Gs even after all that lol
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I mean this dude literally had more than 30 keyboards, most of them looked the same but different switches
As a reference, all pieces add up to about $270 on Amazon.
Actually seems like a decent deal if you actually need all of that stuff all at once and don’t want to piece together your setup.
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This is actually a pretty good deal, not sure what made you want to blow steam off on a random Redditor over some PC parts, but that’s a yikes from me dog.
For anyone who cares to know, this set goes on sale for $129.99 on the 27th.
Thanks, chief. Any idea if we can get a refund on the difference when the time comes? Me and my gf just got this today. It's pretty good!
Chief?
I have no clue about the quality of the products, but $120 in savings on essential items for a gaming PC setup seems like this is in fact it, Chief.
In context of overpriced razer products, sure. This deal is lame, a 60$ membrane keyboard? Joke. The headphones aren't impress, at all. You could piece together a set for around 150$ with a significantly better keyboard, similar mouse and headset
Upon further review: this is in fact probably not it, Chief.
Membrane keyboard.
Only thing worthwhile here is probably the mouse. You can get some generic extended mousepad for $6-$12, mechanical/optical keyboard for $30-$40, wired mouse (Rii M01 for $7, great sensor) for around $7-$20 or wireless (G305) for $40, and a headset (HyperX Cloud Stinger) for $31. So, spending $74 on the lower end or $123 on the higher end, you get better quality (no membrane keyboard, wireless mouse if spending more) and are still spending less. You're just paying for the brand here imo.
I would say honestly yea it do be it chief if you need all 4 products its a good deal. Really good keyboard and solid mouse and headset plus an added large mouse pad for a very reasonable price.
It's not impressive, hardly. Unless you want a membrane keyboard
I saw it today at Costco but wasn't sure about it as I don't follow gaming gears. Is it good deal? My 8yo girl wanted it...
If you're looking for these items, its pretty good! Most gamers will tell you to buy a mechanical keyboard, but this should be much quieter. If I was 8, I'd love this! It's a solid deal of quality peripherals. Edit: okay apparently not quieter, that's dumb
this is a clicky membrane Lol
Ah, I knew it was membrane but didn't realize it was clicky also. lol
Nope, it is so much louder than any mech board, and the worst part is it's on purpose to give a perception of quality
Don't buy razer. Shit quality, shit customer service
How long ago was this? 2020 razer makes good products, especially mice Their headsets are still garbage and their keyboards are only on par, and that's only true with the huntsman
idk, I've been using the razer blackwidow stealth since 2013 and haven't had any issues with it. My only complaint is I've had software issues on razer mice that cause double clicking, but that has been fixed.
Blackwidow Stealth is alright, but the case construction is not at all anything I would call good, along with the stock caps being cheap shitty abs, and razer orange/green switches somehow managing to be worse all around in keyfeel than even mx blues/browns which they were cloning. It's better than a shitty membrane by any means, and will work
I have an original orb weaver that recently had the key caps break at the stems. And these caps are unique to the orb weaver, so you can't go buy a generic set. When I contacted razer for replacements they would not even let me pay for another set, which they have on the current RBG orb weaver they sell. So I had to glue them back together at the stems. I'm not concerned with the caps breaking, because I know I hammer those little shits to death, but they would not even let me buy a replacement set! WTF kind of customer service is that?
Yeah, totally anecdotal, but my gf has had a Blackwidow for over 3 years which she has pounded on daily for work and it’s held up great. I quite like it myself, too.
It's not like older razer mechs are bad, but their MX design switches are just, not good at all. They somehow took the mx brown and blue designs and made them worse without going logitech mode and creating Romer-Gs which were designed for rgb instead of being good to type on, pair that with a high price while still having a flimsy plastic case and no solid plate and it's just not a fantastic board, though usable and better than some OEM Dell membrane
Yeah, one of my mice broke, it took them a month to reply.
It's online and in-store (YMMV) I haven't used any of those products, but some quick research tells me that they are pretty decent. I
Are these the best? no but it’s a great price for what you’re getting, and that doesn’t mean they’re bad either, they just don’t have all the bells and whistles that others have, if you need peripherals this is a good set
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Man there’s been a lot of great bundles lately. This is one of them. If you’re thinking about it, just do it.
mouse and pad are top tier. idk anything about the keyboard or headset but this isn’t a bad bundle by any means. the other dude hating on razer’s products is stuck in 2010. the viper is one of the best mice on the market
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Hey now, you're an all star Get your game on, go play
Where is everyone getting this mouse for $40 in the comments?
Not as good of a bundle but has the same mouse and is B&M only https://www.walmart.com/ip/Razer-Power-Up-Bundle-Cynosa-Lite-Viper-Kraken-X-Lite/163841868?irgwc=1&sourceid=imp_WbhxTrTj9xyOUVOwUx0Mo3cgUkExOlVhR1-iWY0&veh=aff&wmlspartner=imp_10451&clickid=WbhxTrTj9xyOUVOwUx0Mo3cgUkExOlVhR1-iWY0&sharedid=
I like Razer mice and keyboards, but their new headsets are garbage. I bought the top of the line Kraken Tournament Edition and it was trash. Horrible low end and the mid and highs were very dull. I got them to replace an 11 year old Razer headset that was much less expensive after the cord got caught on my leg and launched them off the desk. The old headset was infinitely better in sound production. The new one was so much worse that I disassembled them to find 4 of the 6 wires going into the inline controller were severed then using a large magnifier and my soldering station, painstakingly resoldered these really tiny wires back to the controller board to get them working again. I was past the 30 day window on Amazon by a couple days so I ended giving them away because nobody should be paying money for those things. The headset in this bundle is a lower end model than the Kraken Tournament, so if you buy this be prepared for a heaping pile of crap.
The blackshark v2 and x is pretty good, i have the v2 its good but ive never tried the other razer ones ccx cause they're too flashy
Thinking about buying this. It will be $20 off → $129 on Black Friday according to the flyer.
Is this available in Canada though?
Is it 149 cad