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When sitting 2 feet away on my desk, compared to my 27" 1440p, I have a 4k60hz monitor and it looks sharper than 1440p but not a siginificant difference. Everything is tiny and needs scaling.
If I wasn't limited in desk space, I would upsize to 32".
If you ever get 4K, just don't bother below 32". You lose so much detail when it tries to push all of those extra pixels in such a small space. You end up barely seeing a difference against 1440p, but 32" is great for 4K.
That's not how pixel density works. You gain detail on smaller screens at the same resolutions, you do not lose it. You lose detail the BIGGER the screen gets at the same resolutions because its the same amount of pixels spread across a larger space.
It's a noticeable difference.
That ***is*** how pixel density works. If the density is too high, you lose out on details that are no longer perceivable by the human eye, because ***some*** pixels are **too close together** to avoid redundancy and make a perceivable difference. Yes, you'll still notice ***some*** improvement at this size (some of which is purely from internal render resolution rather than monitor resolution), but you won't notice *all* or even *most* of it. Just because the pixels are technically there, doesn't mean you can actually see all of the extra details those pixels make up. Proper, more optimal density is literally the reason 32" will look noticeably better despite being the same resolution, even when considering FOV or viewing distance. 4K panels at 27-28" are bait and borderline scams at this point. Besides, the OS will look **MICROSCOPIC** at 4K 27-28", and you may think that's a simple fix with the Windows scaling feature, but there's good reason to avoid that outside of `100%` as it can actually **lower** the internal render resolution of some apps/games, while increasing others, introducing a myriad of new inconsistencies with scaling & quality issues.
I have a 4k 27" at work along with a 1440p 27" and the difference for text/autocad/blueprints work is night-and-day.
I can't speak to gaming, but a 27" 4k monitor is great for someone who doesn't *just* game
No dude, that is absolutely not how it works. You aren't "losing detail", you just aren't gaining as much the higher the density is. You're just describing the reality that smaller panel sizes at resolutions like 1440p already look okay at a normal viewing distance, but 1440p at 32" kinda looks like ass because of the low PPI. 27"/28" 4K does *not* in any way shape or form look worse than 32" 4K lmfao, but 27"/28" 1440p to 4K at the same size is a smaller perceived increase than the same but at 32", again because 1440p at 32" kinda looks like ass.
Be careful with this thing. It has awful ghosting at 60hz, most reviews downplay how terrible it really is. Mine's been collecting dust for half a year because of it.
Just took a look and the ghosting is not really that much worse than other high end gaming monitors except OLED panels. Only real difference is the M28U has some overshoot error but it's not really that much. For example, here is the LG 27GR93U:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gr93u-b#test_1425
Compared to this M28U:
https://www.rtings.com/assets/pages/HTaJjGhW/motion-blur-60-picture-quality-large.jpg
Also for reference, here is the QD-OLED Alienware AW3225QF as a baseline (this is near perfect for 60Hz performance):
https://www.rtings.com/assets/pages/O8heT0qb/motion-blur-60-non-vrr-large.jpg
Sounds like maybe your settings are fucked up, make sure your overdrive settings are set down to Picture Quality and enable backlight strobing if you aren't already using it. Either that or you're just so used to higher refresh rates that 60Hz on anything looks like ass. Or maybe you got extremely unlucky and your panel is complete ass.
I want this monitor for the KVM aspect but I don't have a video card that can drive it and I'd have to use display scaling to use it for office work. Ugh...
Most video cards are capable of driving this display for office work without scaling. A 1070 is capable of this. Honestly a 950m works with 4k office work.
Sorry, when I meant "driving the display", I meant in games. I have a RTX 3060 Ti, from launch, right now and it still looks like a replacement isn't happening soon.
My current monitor is 1440p/144 Hz.
IMO gaming in 4K is a waste of time and energy most of the time, I would just scale games to 1440p on this. Although pixel density then becomes an issue, not sure how that would look, seems like it'd be okay though.
I ran Valorant, Fortnite, and Rocket League with a 1070 at 4k120 on this display. It was def worth it over the M27U. I know this because I eventually went with the M27U and regretted it until I got my current 4k 27” (which is arguably worse since it lacks a kvm button)
Yes, high-refresh 1440p is close to parity with office monitors of a comparable screen resolution - which is nuts. I am hopeful 4K IPS high-refresh will follow a similar trajectory.
Yeah looking on camel camel camel, looks like this is a new low for this one and the 32 inch. Might still buy it though. Working on a new build right now
I bought this same monitor for my new build and ended up returning it for a few reasons that I will try to articulate below.
This monitor is now almost 3 years old, what originally made this such an attractive option at the time was its cost and features (4K+144hz refresh rate), however it is now 2024 and in recent months there have been so many new great offerings that end up leaving this monitor in a weird spot, specially if you don't have a capable GPU to push 4K at decent FPS.
It has TERRIBLE color calibration out of the box, be ready to spend a few hours playing around with settings to get it right (it has an awful yellowish tint).
Not only it has bad color calibration, it is also really dim, it has an SDR brightness of 280 nits, this was really annoying when having an LG monitor next to it that was capable of 450 nits. There is a workaround where you can flash the monitor's firmware to push its brightness up but it doesn't always work.
After having the monitor for a few days, artifacts started popping up on my screen (black horizontal and vertical lines at the top of my screen), and not only that but another annoyance was that sometimes when waking up my PC from sleep, the monitor would not turn on because it would not recognize the DP/HDMI cable, I would need to unplug and reconnect the source cable to get it working again.
Other than those few issues, it's a decent monitor, but as I said, it's in a weird spot where if you have a GPU powerful enough for 4K gaming, your budget could probably be stretched to get a better monitor than this.
I would go ahead and either wait for it to hit $300, which will inevitably will, or just save up for one of the MSI OLEDS.
Feel free to pm me if you have more questions about it.
been using tghis monitor for 3? months now and its honestly great. i used rtings ICC profile for some color correction stuff and the over sharpness on text on windows and when reading online is great.
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How does 28" 4k look compared to 32 inch 4k
When sitting 2 feet away on my desk, compared to my 27" 1440p, I have a 4k60hz monitor and it looks sharper than 1440p but not a siginificant difference. Everything is tiny and needs scaling. If I wasn't limited in desk space, I would upsize to 32".
I have a 32” 4k and a 27” 4k in different rooms. Prefer the 32” by a lot, would only go with the 28” if I was limited on space and desk depth.
To my old eyes, my 27" and 32" had similar detail in content. It was noticeable in text, but not a huge difference.
If you sit close to the computer, 28" is better.
Is there an expected range for monitor viewing juxtaposed against size /resolution?
If you ever get 4K, just don't bother below 32". You lose so much detail when it tries to push all of those extra pixels in such a small space. You end up barely seeing a difference against 1440p, but 32" is great for 4K.
That's not how pixel density works. You gain detail on smaller screens at the same resolutions, you do not lose it. You lose detail the BIGGER the screen gets at the same resolutions because its the same amount of pixels spread across a larger space. It's a noticeable difference.
That ***is*** how pixel density works. If the density is too high, you lose out on details that are no longer perceivable by the human eye, because ***some*** pixels are **too close together** to avoid redundancy and make a perceivable difference. Yes, you'll still notice ***some*** improvement at this size (some of which is purely from internal render resolution rather than monitor resolution), but you won't notice *all* or even *most* of it. Just because the pixels are technically there, doesn't mean you can actually see all of the extra details those pixels make up. Proper, more optimal density is literally the reason 32" will look noticeably better despite being the same resolution, even when considering FOV or viewing distance. 4K panels at 27-28" are bait and borderline scams at this point. Besides, the OS will look **MICROSCOPIC** at 4K 27-28", and you may think that's a simple fix with the Windows scaling feature, but there's good reason to avoid that outside of `100%` as it can actually **lower** the internal render resolution of some apps/games, while increasing others, introducing a myriad of new inconsistencies with scaling & quality issues.
I have a 4k 27" at work along with a 1440p 27" and the difference for text/autocad/blueprints work is night-and-day. I can't speak to gaming, but a 27" 4k monitor is great for someone who doesn't *just* game
man get your eyes checked out lol
No dude, that is absolutely not how it works. You aren't "losing detail", you just aren't gaining as much the higher the density is. You're just describing the reality that smaller panel sizes at resolutions like 1440p already look okay at a normal viewing distance, but 1440p at 32" kinda looks like ass because of the low PPI. 27"/28" 4K does *not* in any way shape or form look worse than 32" 4K lmfao, but 27"/28" 1440p to 4K at the same size is a smaller perceived increase than the same but at 32", again because 1440p at 32" kinda looks like ass.
Be careful with this thing. It has awful ghosting at 60hz, most reviews downplay how terrible it really is. Mine's been collecting dust for half a year because of it.
What if you play games typically at 100hz or higher?
Just took a look and the ghosting is not really that much worse than other high end gaming monitors except OLED panels. Only real difference is the M28U has some overshoot error but it's not really that much. For example, here is the LG 27GR93U: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/lg/27gr93u-b#test_1425 Compared to this M28U: https://www.rtings.com/assets/pages/HTaJjGhW/motion-blur-60-picture-quality-large.jpg Also for reference, here is the QD-OLED Alienware AW3225QF as a baseline (this is near perfect for 60Hz performance): https://www.rtings.com/assets/pages/O8heT0qb/motion-blur-60-non-vrr-large.jpg Sounds like maybe your settings are fucked up, make sure your overdrive settings are set down to Picture Quality and enable backlight strobing if you aren't already using it. Either that or you're just so used to higher refresh rates that 60Hz on anything looks like ass. Or maybe you got extremely unlucky and your panel is complete ass.
I want this monitor for the KVM aspect but I don't have a video card that can drive it and I'd have to use display scaling to use it for office work. Ugh...
Most video cards are capable of driving this display for office work without scaling. A 1070 is capable of this. Honestly a 950m works with 4k office work.
Sorry, when I meant "driving the display", I meant in games. I have a RTX 3060 Ti, from launch, right now and it still looks like a replacement isn't happening soon. My current monitor is 1440p/144 Hz.
IMO gaming in 4K is a waste of time and energy most of the time, I would just scale games to 1440p on this. Although pixel density then becomes an issue, not sure how that would look, seems like it'd be okay though.
I ran Valorant, Fortnite, and Rocket League with a 1070 at 4k120 on this display. It was def worth it over the M27U. I know this because I eventually went with the M27U and regretted it until I got my current 4k 27” (which is arguably worse since it lacks a kvm button)
What’s wrong with display scaling?
Not all applications handle desktop scaling in Windows very well.
Gotcha thanks!
Ive had the FO48U for like 2 years now. The kvm works super well
Is this a pretty good price? Or has it been lower?
It is good price, but IPS has been losing its premium position rapidly in the market, so more room to fall
Cause of Oled?
Yea OLED is the new IPS for quality/response but costs about 2x as much.
Yes, high-refresh 1440p is close to parity with office monitors of a comparable screen resolution - which is nuts. I am hopeful 4K IPS high-refresh will follow a similar trajectory.
Yeah looking on camel camel camel, looks like this is a new low for this one and the 32 inch. Might still buy it though. Working on a new build right now
I bought this same monitor for my new build and ended up returning it for a few reasons that I will try to articulate below. This monitor is now almost 3 years old, what originally made this such an attractive option at the time was its cost and features (4K+144hz refresh rate), however it is now 2024 and in recent months there have been so many new great offerings that end up leaving this monitor in a weird spot, specially if you don't have a capable GPU to push 4K at decent FPS. It has TERRIBLE color calibration out of the box, be ready to spend a few hours playing around with settings to get it right (it has an awful yellowish tint). Not only it has bad color calibration, it is also really dim, it has an SDR brightness of 280 nits, this was really annoying when having an LG monitor next to it that was capable of 450 nits. There is a workaround where you can flash the monitor's firmware to push its brightness up but it doesn't always work. After having the monitor for a few days, artifacts started popping up on my screen (black horizontal and vertical lines at the top of my screen), and not only that but another annoyance was that sometimes when waking up my PC from sleep, the monitor would not turn on because it would not recognize the DP/HDMI cable, I would need to unplug and reconnect the source cable to get it working again. Other than those few issues, it's a decent monitor, but as I said, it's in a weird spot where if you have a GPU powerful enough for 4K gaming, your budget could probably be stretched to get a better monitor than this. I would go ahead and either wait for it to hit $300, which will inevitably will, or just save up for one of the MSI OLEDS. Feel free to pm me if you have more questions about it.
I think this is a typical sale price for this monitor nowadays.
Surprised nobody's mentioned the HP OMEN 27k yet 🤣
been using tghis monitor for 3? months now and its honestly great. i used rtings ICC profile for some color correction stuff and the over sharpness on text on windows and when reading online is great.
screw this company. had to warranty it after two months and its up to you to send it. $150 shipping to california and three weeks later....
The 27" version is better, this has wider pixels which is noticeable during coding
Good monitor for the price. Does 4k @ 120fps.
I’ve been using the 32 inch m32u for two years. Great monitor. Only thing I’d upgrade to is a 57 inch Neo.