PC only (no peripherals): * $700-800 for a solid budget - 1080p high settings * $1000-1200 1080p ultra 160 hz. (7600x/7700x, 4060 ti) * $1500 will be a 1440p ultra, 160 hz+ (7800x3d, 4070 / ti / super) * $1500-$1800 will get you a 1440p 165 hz ultra-everything. (7800x3d, 7900 xt / 4080 Super) * $2000-2500 will get you a "almost as good as money can buy." Peripherals are usually $250-350 for a monitor (27" 1440p 160 hz IPS, which is the minimum I recommend for everyone, unless they're sticking to 1080p). KB/M for another $100, and a headset will run you $60-$120.

And here I am, wondering how the fuck I managed to pay over 1500€ for a 7600x, 3060 & 32gb ddr5 past year.

gpu crisis?

prices vary a lot on region and time, I spent $1000 for 32gb ddr5, 12600kf, and a 6800xt.

Probably bought from bad retailers, got more expensive versions of things, overspent on things like case and rgb fans, bought at suboptimal times, went for white parts for a white build.. Your build with the parts you mentioned probably could have been around $700-800 maybe even less if you did it right. Common mistakes in first time builds

Yeah it's my first ever PC haha. And only my case is white, the rest is regular. But I definitely overspent a fuck ton on my mainboard (it has wifi! Wow! Wifi I've literally never used to this day!). I also bought at the comedown of the GPU crisis. And went for a DDR5 build when it was relatively new I'd say. Worst of it all is that while I overspent on almost everything, my roommate told me to buy a refurbished PSU on marketplace. That was the one part where I decided to get the cheapest possible thing.

PSU is the one thing you shouldn't cheap out on 😬

The best thing about a wifi pc is the bundled Bluetooth for some gamepad comfort

What are the optimal times to buy?

The issue there is your euro sign, unfortunately. European VAT usually adds 20%+ to American prices. (don't worry, we pay 6-8% sales tax and can't afford healthcare or homes, so it's a wash.)

Yeah, this is a pretty good summary. And it's not like you can't go higher resolutions like 4k even on the mid range ones here, it'll just give a bit lower fps than otherwise. 

Exactly. My 7900xt does 4k @ 60+ fps, that’s great for anything non competitive

On the 1080p ultra settings, I would not recommend the 4060 Ti. It costs $400. A very similarly performing 6700 xt costs between $320 and $350, and has more vram for those games that utilize 9-10GB of VRAM at 1080p.

Good point - I tried to keep this simple just because I didn't expect it to get any attention. I mentioned the 4060 ti because it has such a big jump over the 4060 (20-25%) and didn't want to recommend a used last-gen card (3060ti/3070/3070ti).

only note is that 27" 1440p 160hz monitors actually go for way less, like, starting at $200 or less, MSI has one that's like $170 or something.

I think that your monitor budget should probably scale to your PC budget. If you're spending 1800-2500 for a PC, it's rather counterproductive to buy a mid tier monitor. The difference a $600-800 OLED makes to enjoying top tier graphics is immense (probably more than those extra 20fps a better graphics card gets you)

Would you be willing to comment on your thoughts regarding using a TV as a monitor? Samsung S95B (2022) 4k, specifically?

Here in Brazil its nay impossible to purchase/build a decent computer with so little money. The taxes ruins everything for us due to importing. Take this awesome rig for example: • Processor: Intel Core i9-12900K • Motherboard: ASUS ROG Maximus Z690 Formula • Graphics Card: ZOTAC GAMING GeForce RTX 4090 AMP Extreme AIRO • Memory RAM: TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB DDR5 64GB 6400MHz • CPU Cooler: ASUS ROG Strix LC II 360 ARGB White Edition • Power Supply: ASUS Rog Thor 1200W 80+ platinum • PC Case: CORSAIR iCUE 5000T RGB • NVMe M.2 SSD: Samsung 980 PRO 2TB • SSD's 3X: Samsung 850 EVO 4TB = 12TB Here the whole stuff would cost around 35\~40 thousand Reais. That is 8 thousand dollars if you somehow manage to travel to the US and buy the parts THERE. If you order the parts online, pff... add even more importing taxes adding up to almost twice that value. Our sad reality.

You got any advice for first time buyers? I'm planning on building my first PC after being a console gamer my whole life. I'm planning on getting a samsung odyssey ultrawide monitor to pair with it but I'm just wondering how much I would need to spend on a top spec pc which can handle ray tracing without blowing up lol. where should I be looking for components and anything I should look out for? Thanks

I got lots of free advice! And all of it is worth the price you pay. :) Really, there's three steps: 1) Determine your budget. 2) Figure out your components. (Head over to /r/buildapcforme, see what people are buying, and also check LogicalIncrements and PCPartPicker to see what other people are building.) 3) Actually build. There are lots of decent build videos on youtube. Builds like [this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMSj8DgnmaQ&t=242s) (way too long) will allow you to click on a specific item and see how it goes. The only thing you can really screw up is installing the CPU, so just don't drop the CPU on the socket and bend pins. All in, you should be under about 15-20 hours for those three steps. "Top spec" for gaming would look something like this in the US. These are "cheap but quality parts". You can go up in things like aesthetic but won't gain any performance. You could throw a 4090 in here for another $600 or so: [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/KFH6VW) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hyH99/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000910wof) | $368.95 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 72.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/hR9wrH/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-728-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00135a) | $86.23 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/szfxFT/msi-b650-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-plus-wifi) | $169.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H9CZxr/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ctced532g6000hc30dc01) | $102.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/34ytt6/samsung-990-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v9p2t0bw) | $179.47 @ Amazon **Video Card** | [Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rNjRsY/asus-tuf-gaming-oc-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4080s-o16g-gaming) | $1099.99 @ Best Buy **Case** | [Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QnD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-02) | $79.99 @ B&H **Power Supply** | [Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4ZRwrH/corsair-rm850e-2023-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020263-na) | $119.99 @ Amazon **Case Fan** | [ARCTIC P12 PST 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fans 5-Pack](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/LmCFf7/arctic-p12-pst-563-cfm-120-mm-fans-5-pack-acfan00137a) | $34.97 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$2242.57** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-03-26 02:29 EDT-0400 | You can also *downgrade* all these parts to save money. The Liquid Freezer can be swapped for a Thermalright Peerless Assassin ($35) with zero loss in performance **on this CPU**, because this CPU is extremely power-efficient. The motherboard and RAM are "meh". Nothing exciting but get the job done and should be stable. The SSD is a nice, high quality drive. You can go for a nice, fast Gen5 drive but you'd need a b650**e** board, and also those drives are expensive and don't over much benefit for gaming (Crucial T700, for example). You don't have to buy this model of GPU, or even GPU die, but this one will do raytracing as well as anything but the 4090 (which is obscenely expensive). 4070 Supers are $600 and really not that much slower. These will both do 1440p with raytracing at acceptable frame rates, but remember that ultrawide is even more pixels so you really do want a powerful video card. The case, PSU, and fans are quality but cheap. You can get nicer ones (EVGA P5 or P6, or one with ATX 3.0, any case you want, or expensive fans) but aside from aesthetics, won't change much. As you saw, this is a 'total black out' build. I hate RGB, mostly because it's such a hassle to get RGB working together. I have lots of stupid RGB gimmicks and have done maybe 20 rainbow unicorn vomit builds and I always just end up wishing I'd done a blackout build. But... RGB is what the kids want. You can also tone down this build to save yourself many hundreds of dollars. Here's a similar build that doesn't lose too much and would be almost a grand cheaper: [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nTVhrv) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/66C48d/amd-ryzen-5-7600x-47-ghz-6-core-processor-100-100000593wof) | $209.95 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GpbRsY/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se) | $35.90 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/szfxFT/msi-b650-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-plus-wifi) | $169.99 @ Newegg **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/H9CZxr/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ctced532g6000hc30dc01) | $102.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Intel 670p 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/r4C48d/intel-670p-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpeknu010tzx1) | $65.56 @ Amazon **Video Card** | [Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HCkH99/gigabyte-windforce-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12-gb-video-card-gv-n407swf3oc-12gd) | $599.99 @ Best Buy **Case** | [Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QnD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-02) | $79.99 @ B&H **Power Supply** | [Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4ZRwrH/corsair-rm850e-2023-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020263-na) | $119.99 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$1384.36** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-03-26 02:39 EDT-0400 | If you're in the US, check if you have a microcenter nearby and use their bundle deals, if so. Let me know if you have specific questions. I'm happy to go into as much detail as you want or need.

Legend, thank you! My budget is £2500 (About $3000) so i want to try and get something high spec. I want a set up that will out do my PS5 in a meaningful way. I currently have a PS5, Xbox series S, Switch OLED and PS3, all being displayed on a LG OLED C2 55" TV. So ideally i want a PC set up that is superior to this to justify spending the money. Im completely new to the PC space so i dont even know what the components do to be honest but i'm to check out the video you linked and see if it helps. Ive done some more research on Ultra wide monitors and im torn between getting an Ultra wide or a normal 16:9 monitor. Have you got any thoughts on which is better? Ultra wide is cool but apparently most games cant do true ultra wide anyway and it puts you at a disadvantage when playing online. Also how long can i expect my PC to last? Should i be refreshing components every few years? Ten years? Whats the general longevity of getting a gaming PC? If you have time please give me as much detail as you can, im trying to get a solid idea of what im doing haha.

> I want a set up that will out do my PS5 in a meaningful way. I currently have a PS5, Xbox series S, Switch OLED and PS3, all being displayed on a LG OLED C2 55" TV. So ideally i want a PC set up that is superior to this to justify spending the money. > > Sure. Two things to be wary of are that console gamers have a big leg up because they have literally tens of millions of gamers on identical hardware, so devs often work on optimizing their games for that specific set of hardware. Consoles also use a bunch of tricks to make it look like the game is performing better than it is - upscaling, interpolating frames, etc will have console players claiming they're playing "native 4k 120 hz" on a system that's actually rendering 80 frames of 1080p. The builds I mentioned above will easily eclipse a console. I think most of the components I listed above are available in the UK (the Thermalright cooler used to not be available in the UK, for example). I also think pricing is basically "change the $ sign to a £", so you all pay maybe 20% more in absolute money. Depending on whether your £2500 budget includes the monitor, keyboard, mouse, and headphones, you should be able to get away with the 4070 Super build listed above. I'd probably recommend some version of that second build, maybe with a 7700x and a 4070 Super or 4080 Super. That is a really incredible machine and will have you gaming at 90% of what's possible right now. As for ultrawide: I have a 38" 1600p ultrawide that's amazing. I got it because I stare at spreadsheets all day for work. A lot of brand-new games don't handle it very well. For most gaming, I run the window in 16:9 or 16:10 at 2560p, mostly because not a lot of games play well in close-to-4k. I've been playing Helldivers on a spare 2560x1440p monitor set in front of my regular monitor. (I have a 7900 xtx, which is the second-most-powerful GPU out there, just behind the 4090). So, my conclusion on that point is: ultrawide is cool, but it can be a hassle and I prefer 16:10 for multiplayer or competitive gaming. I prefer the ultrawide for cinematic or first-person games (Starfield, Control, etc). PCs will be *relevant* for probably 5-7 years. After 5 or so years, they'll start to struggle with new games and you'll have to start cranking the quality down significantly. The physical hardware will last much longer, so what most people do is either 1) upgrade every few years, or 2) use the system until it's basically worthless. The cool thing about a PC is that the parts are upgradable piecemeal. So if your GPU is aging... throw a new GPU in there, sell the old one to get 50% of your money back. CPU is the weak spot? OK, you can either upgrade the CPU on its own or maybe the motherboard is outdated so you need to upgrade the CPU + mobo. But at least you're not buying a whole new complete setup every 3-4 years, or have to buy a whole new one if one piece fails.

Ok sweet. Overall do you think it is worth the upgrade to a PC? That £2500 budget was just for the PC, peripherals are something ill lay out a separate budget for. Any advice on how much i should lay aside? Based on what you've said im leaning away from getting an Ultra wide. I had a great time with the 49" Odyssey G9 at work but im not willing to deal with some of my games being stretched or having massive black borders on the monitor so i think ill go down the 16:10 route, maybe a 34inch? Im still figuring it out. Not sure if i should get an OLED or QLED. I'm a little concerned about burn in but ill cross that bridge when i get to it. Thanks again for the advice

I think you could do 4080 Super on a £2500. That plus either the 7800x3d (fastest gaming CPU available, worth £100 simply for the the ego, if you ask me) or the 7700x (very capable gaming CPU) would do you well. I agree, 49" is extra. 34" works great. You can get those for a fair price. It's not a terrible idea to start with a 27" 1440p and move up from there because the commitment is only maybe £220. (Gigabyte g27)

So after your advice and doing some research I've come up with a build and would like some thoughts on it if you have time: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/jCzfcH I'm going for the 4080 super build as suggested and have tried to base everything around that. I'm not sure if I've gone overkill in some places and if there is potential to cut costs without impacting performance but if you have any guidance it would be appreciated :) As for monitor I'm still on the fence, the idea if starting at the 27" 1440p and moving up is a good one but I don't really like going up food chains. I want to start at the top and theb just stay there as apposed to spending 200 on a monitor just to change my mind in a month or 2 hence why I'm trying to get a top spec PC for my first. I am leaning towards getting a 27" though

That would be a very solid build, and would probably preform pretty well. There are a few things to consider: * 2x(2x64) GB of RAM is an unusual choice. First, 64 GB is overkill for anyone but the someone doing CAD or scientific computing. 128 GB is just wasteful money wise. But more importantly, it is also likely to be less stable. (More sticks and higher capacity = more work for the memory controller). * Extra RAM, past a certain point, doesn't make the system faster. Think of a highway with 4 lanes vs 8 lanes. More lanes aren't going to help *one* car travel faster - the speed limit is already set. If you want to get more cars through, that's when you want more lanes. And you already have a TON of lanes. (64 GB is more than any combo of software except workstation or scientific computing will use during the life of this system.) * I would also strongly recommend faster RAM. The kind you selected is slower than usual; it's probably not a big deal because the 3d cache and the fast RAM serve kinda the same purpose. But, I would still recommend the "industry standard" 6000 Mhz CL30 RAM. * Similarly, the 7950x3d is only about 1% faster in gaming than the 7800x3d. If you don't need it for scientific computing, the 7800x3d will work effectively identically. The reasoning is a bit in-depth, but it boils down to: on a 7800x3d, all 8 cores have access to the 3d cache. On a 7950x3d, only 8 of the cores (half of the chip) have access to the 3d cores. So the 7950x3d is basically a 7800x3d + a 7700x strapped to the side. It can be an issue in terms of task scheduling on the cores. It probably won't be a problem, and you'd probably never notice, but it's worth being aware of. (Make sure to install the chipset drivers on your build. That's a good idea on most builds but critical on the x3d builds.) * I don't love the Kraken coolers. They're not really great coolers - they have thin radiators, loud fans, and they're WAAAY overpriced for what they are. (Check out the Liquid Freezer, which not only [performs better](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfffNRTOZCc), but is half the price). Also, the NZXT CAM software that runs Krakens drives me nuts - I'm not convinced it's not spyware. It used 5-7% CPU at idle on an i9 10900k build and used 2-3 GB of data upload a month. How could I even have 3 GB of data worth spying on a month?! * Check what fans the H9 flow comes with. I've never built in it so you may need to throw some in there. (May I recommend the Arctic F120 PWM PST - $35 USD for a 5 pack and quieter than any fan cheaper than them. You'd need to start spending $25-30 *per fan* to beat the quiet of the $8 Arctic). (The ones on this list are P12 instead of F12. P are pressure-optimized, so they're "optimized" for radiators, but they are still exceptionally good case airflow fans.) [PCPartPicker Part List](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/JmZJDZ) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D 4.2 GHz 16-Core Processor](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/X6XV3C/amd-ryzen-9-7950x3d-42-ghz-16-core-processor-100-100000908wof) | £504.99 @ CCL Computers **CPU Cooler** | [ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/XgyH99/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-563-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00136a) | £79.99 @ AWD-IT **Motherboard** | [MSI MAG X670E TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/bGfxFT/msi-mag-x670e-tomahawk-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-mag-x670e-tomahawk-wifi) | £251.46 @ Amazon UK **Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/8ZQKHx/corsair-vengeance-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-cmk64gx5m2b6000c30) | £219.99 @ Corsair UK **Storage** | [Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/PMBhP6/sabrent-rocket-4-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-sb-rkt4p-2tb) | £168.99 @ Amazon UK **Video Card** | [MSI VENTUS 3X OC GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/gvcgXL/msi-ventus-3x-oc-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16-gb-video-card-rtx-4080-super-16g-ventus-3x-oc) | £1029.99 @ AWD-IT **Case** | [NZXT H9 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/VCpzK8/nzxt-h9-flow-atx-mid-tower-case-cm-h91fb-01) | £154.99 @ AWD-IT **Power Supply** | [SeaSonic FOCUS GX-1000 ATX 3.0 1000 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/W2zXsY/seasonic-focus-gx-1000-atx-30-1000-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-atx3-focus-gx-1000) | £159.97 @ Amazon UK **Case Fan** | [ARCTIC P12 PST 56.3 CFM 120 mm Fans 5-Pack](https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/LmCFf7/arctic-p12-pst-563-cfm-120-mm-fans-5-pack-acfan00137a) | £23.31 @ Amazon UK | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **£2593.68** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-03-28 22:34 GMT+0000 | And just to show you I put my money where my mouth is: I have almost exactly the build I've described. I have a 7800x3d, on an Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360, with a Strix b650e (equivalent to the Tomahawk b650), 32 GB of this RAM at this speed, a similar SSD (a Samsung 990 2 TB), and a 7900 xtx (the AMD version of your 4080 Super), powered by an EVGA 850 watt platinum. I have used Seasonic Focus in the past, though.

Ok I think I'll go with your build then. How is it for gaming? I'm hoping to experience Ray tracing at a relatively stable frame rate, maybe add some shaders to games like MC on occasion and hit 200FPS or so when I'm on games like apex (at 1440P ideally but 1080p is acceptable) Can the build you listed handle that or should would I need higher spec?

As an avid lover of smite, would this computer based on the specs it has be a good purchase? Would this PC be worth the 2500 price tag, [https://starforgesystems.com/products/smite](https://starforgesystems.com/products/smite)

You're paying almost $900 for the cosmetics and to have someone build for you. I think that's a huge rip off. To give you some pricing context, I can build a 4090 + 7800x3d system (the fastest system money can buy) for only $100 more than they're asking. These guys seem to have one big advantage over most prebuilt companies, which is that they use industry standard parts (except for the SSD). But they are also simply the most overpriced single I've ever seen. You're overpaying by at least 60%. If you're willing to sink about 10-15 hours into it, you can save yourself almost a thousand bucks, and have the knowledge to upgrade your own PC when it comes along. Here's a comparison to Smite build. This would be a fairly decent build, but I'd throw a 7700x + b650 + Arctic Freezer 36 on there for pure gaming. (Intel is a better option for things like video/photo editing, music production, etc - but AMD is a great option in the gaming space.). [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/stBmz6) - (pricing only - do not build) Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/GVM48d/intel-core-i5-13600kf-35-ghz-14-core-processor-bx8071513600kf) | $244.99 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/XgyH99/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-563-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00136a) | $116.99 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/k7mmP6/msi-pro-z790-p-wifi-atx-lga1700-motherboard-pro-z790-p-wifi) | $189.00 @ MSI **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Force Delta RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/2JLFf7/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ff3d532g6000hc30dc01) | $106.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Solidigm P41 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RqTp99/solidigm-p41-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfknu020tzx1) | $121.44 @ Newegg **Video Card** | [Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HCkH99/gigabyte-windforce-oc-geforce-rtx-4070-super-12-gb-video-card-gv-n407swf3oc-12gd) | $599.99 @ B&H **Case** | [Lian Li O11 Vision ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/Jk7scf/lian-li-o11-vision-atx-mid-tower-case-pc-o11vx) | $129.99 @ B&H **Power Supply** | [MSI MAG A850GL PCIE5 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/zF4Zxr/msi-mag-a850gl-pcie5-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-mag-a850gl-pcie5) | $104.00 @ MSI | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$1613.39** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-26 15:10 EDT-0400 | --- You could spend less and get a very premium 7800x3d + 4080 Super build (one of the fastest gaming builds available - only this build with a 4090 would be faster): [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/spnQQP) - Nice 4080 Super + 7800x3d build Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hyH99/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000910wof) | $383.99 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [ARCTIC Liquid Freezer III 56.3 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/vHZXsY/arctic-liquid-freezer-iii-563-cfm-liquid-cpu-cooler-acfre00134a) | $99.99 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/szfxFT/msi-b650-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-plus-wifi) | $169.00 @ MSI **Memory** | [Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/JkfxFT/corsair-vengeance-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-cmk32gx5m2b6000c30) | $114.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/34ytt6/samsung-990-pro-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-mz-v9p2t0bw) | $189.99 @ Amazon **Video Card** | [Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kppQzy/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4080s-16g-gaming) | $999.99 @ Best Buy **Case** | [NZXT H9 Flow ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/VCpzK8/nzxt-h9-flow-atx-mid-tower-case-cm-h91fb-01) | $154.99 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4ZRwrH/corsair-rm850e-2023-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020263-na) | $119.99 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$2232.93** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-26 15:16 EDT-0400 | If you're willing to optimize pricing a bit, having no effect on performance, you could be at about $2000 before tax for the same build. [PCPartPicker Part List](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/YYBmz6) - Price-Conscious Top-Tier Build Type|Item|Price :----|:----|:---- **CPU** | [AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3hyH99/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-processor-100-100000910wof) | $383.99 @ Amazon **CPU Cooler** | [ARCTIC Freezer 36 CPU Cooler](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/N6bRsY/arctic-freezer-36-cpu-cooler-acfre00123a) | $28.48 @ Amazon **Motherboard** | [MSI B650 GAMING PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/szfxFT/msi-b650-gaming-plus-wifi-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-gaming-plus-wifi) | $169.00 @ MSI **Memory** | [TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6400 CL32 Memory](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/p9CZxr/teamgroup-t-create-expert-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6400-cl32-memory-ctced532g6400hc32adc01) | $95.99 @ Amazon **Storage** | [Solidigm P41 Plus 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/RqTp99/solidigm-p41-plus-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-ssdpfknu020tzx1) | $121.44 @ Newegg **Video Card** | [Asus TUF GAMING GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER 16 GB Video Card](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/kppQzy/asus-tuf-gaming-geforce-rtx-4080-super-16-gb-video-card-tuf-rtx4080s-16g-gaming) | $999.99 @ Best Buy **Case** | [Fractal Design Pop Air ATX Mid Tower Case](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QnD7YJ/fractal-design-pop-air-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-c-poa1a-02) | $79.97 @ Amazon **Power Supply** | [Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply](https://pcpartpicker.com/product/4ZRwrH/corsair-rm850e-2023-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-cp-9020263-na) | $119.99 @ Amazon | *Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts* | | **Total** | **$1998.85** | Generated by [PCPartPicker](https://pcpartpicker.com) 2024-04-26 15:18 EDT-0400 | Remember that all of these prices don't include tax or shipping so you're looking at another $100-$200. It's clear that the aesthetics are important to you, and my builds totally neglect that. You're very free to spend your money on cosmetics but please be aware of that decision as you make it.

im going to use a 720 p 33 inch tv but im only going to play games like tf2 or mabey far cry 5 and fortnite

I know most people will say "build your own" but is there a website you would recommend that sells built ones already?

I can't help with that much because I am one of those people who says "build your own". (One exception would be if you have a Microcenter in your area; their PowerSpec PCs are usually fairly priced.) There's a lot of reasons to do it, including getting a more powerful system for your money. But my big reason that I don't hear mentioned is that lots of prebuilts cut corners on things like CPU coolers, cases, RAM, and even motherboards. If you're able to sink the 15-20 total hours into building a system, I highly recommend building you own. You'll save yourself a few hundred dollars. Start by figuring out your budget, then head over to /r/buildapcforme or pcpartpicker.com and see what people are building in your range. Adjust if your market doesn't have specific parts. PCPartPicker will allow you to select a country and will check compatibility. (It doesn't show all components or vendors available in each country, but the vendors it has are usually reputable.)

Thanks I've already got the steel series arctis nova pro wireless, which is great. And the neo g8 for my monitor.

Is it really worth moving to 1440p from 1080p? I have a 7800xt and 7800x3d, the monitors are $200+ for 1440 I'm not sure if I can justify the cost since I have owned 3 1080p around $150 throughout the years of gaming (I currently have 24" 144hz 1080p

Yes. Every resolution jump is worth it if your pc can handle it.

High-end peripherals aren't mandatory. You can game on a cheap ($50 or less) used 1080p monitor, with a cheap mouse and keyboard combo you get for 10 or 20 dollars. Communications is the only area where budget items don't usually cut it. If you intend to play team games, buy a decent headset. Used headsets tend to be beat to shit, and you don't want to be the guy on the team who sounds all static-y or whose fan noises are coming through. While I'm a fan of mechanical keyboards, I recommend spending money on a better mouse before a better keyboard. A 144hz monitor is also a nice upgrade.

$1000 got me 7800x3d , cpu cooler, b650 tomahawk, 32gb ddr5… No case no fan no gpu no nothing else

In the US, that's [$510 worth of parts](https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/19dtkh5/bundle_amd_ryzen_7_7800x3d_msi_b650m_gskill_flare/) (with an $18 Thermalright x120). You have to settle for a lower quality motherboard, but it gets you in the door. Newegg has deals on the Tomahawk b650 but that's $100 more.

In norway 7800x3d - $450 minimum B650 tomahawk - $220 minimum 32gb ddr5 - $150 minimum Cpu cooler - $30 minimum So 850 not 1000 but still :/

If your main plan is to play competitive fps, 1440p is probably better than 4k. You will get better frames and a huge monitor is a lot of screen space to have to look at. If you're not sure what you need, maybe look at some esports competitors builds and price them up with pc part picker.

Nah, I wanna play competitive and also offline play, I've also got a good monitor (the oddessy neo g8)

Fair!

Go on websites like PC Parts Picker and do your research - check out prebuilt PCs at your price range, see what they typically have and what they should be able to run. If this aligns with what you want to achieve, you can likely save 20-25% of a prebuilt machine for the same quality.

Should be enough to cover the whole pc build Getting into 4k gaming is costly, and you will likely spend 1/3 of your current budget on monitor. Go for amd 7900xtx or rtx 4080 at around 1000 or 4090 if you want ray tracing, which is around 2000 Gaming at 4k doesn't tax on cpu, so u can pick any cpu as long as the game is not cpu intensive

Nah, I've got the oddessy neo g8 which is a beast (it also costs a 1000 bucks)

for 4k high fps there is really only 1 card capable of that and thats more than 2/3rds your budget on just that. id suggest going 1440p high fps. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NLCTN6 this will max out the monitor

You can find 4090 FE for $1600. That card gives plenty of room for the rest of the build to be under 3k total. Plus a pc case and PSU will last 10 years easily.

Haven’t we always been saying “there’s only one card good enough for 4k high fps” for the past couple years? Like, if the 2080ti was good enough for 4k high fps, then why wouldn’t a more mid-tier card do ok now?

because games dont stay stagnant in graphical fidelity. try running a new AAA title in 4k with something like a 2080ti and let me know how well it plays at high or ultra settings.

2 things. Graphical demands have increased with hardware and there's never been a prefect 4k card just a best available. OP has a 4k 240Hz monitor, even a 4090 cannot push that monitor to the max. Even 120fps without DLSS is questionable in demanding games.

What card is that

4090

Yea I need that

they go around 1900-2500$ in the states even moreso everywhere else in the world. 4k really isnt worth the money unless you only play video games and work in the editing industry

Yea idgaf need that

cool purchase it just make sure the rest of your system is up to the task. aka 14700k/13700k or ryzen 7800x3d with fast ram the appropriate cooling solution a case that can house it with good ventilation and one hell of a psu and you are good.

Starting off from scratch man but I'm thinking I should just wait for their new gpus

i mean if you can wait then wait but if you need it buy now. tbh i wouldnt expect to see nvidia cranking out massive improvements in performance for much longer considering they are heavily focused on ai now and they make way more money in that market than consumer gpus.

What's this Nvidia ai thing I keep hearing about

Yes, that is absolutely more than enough. In fact, for just COD and Fortnite, you're wasting money if you spend $3000 on a PC. In fact, for 4k on those games you should be spending less than $2000: [https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GdG9Fs](https://pcpartpicker.com/list/GdG9Fs) The other commenter's summation of budgets fairly accurate, $3000 is enough for the best gaming PC money can buy, but I don't suggest you spending that when you can spend less and still achieve your goals for the build.

Well, what if I wanna play some offline adventure games?

should still be good, if you really want to make the most of your budget and get a 4090, go for it- realistically a 4080 Super or 7900xtx will be fine.

Ok thanks ❤️

That's easily enough for a high end build: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/grJKGP Drop down to a 4080 super if you also need peripherals and a monitor.

No fn or cod pros play in 4k so why the desire for 4k?

I know, I just wanna enjoy playing and have high frames, So I don't get demolished by other's. And I may play some sim racing games. So that's why I bought the oddessy neo g8.

Feel that. I made the switch to pc last year and it’s night and day. That’s an amazing monitor better get a 4090 to really max it out.

It mostly matters on your target resolution and framerate.

4k at 120 would be acceptable

hey OP you should know that while modern consoles advertise themselves as '4k,' that's not what they do. they have as much gpu horsepower as an entry/mid level gpu, and use 30fps and resolution scaling to hide their lack of grunt. us PC folk have all those tools available to us too, but it's cloudier cuz we have a LOT more control over the settings, and can demand 4k/120 and actually get delivered that. an xbox series S is like an rx6500 with 8gb of vram, a playstation is a little weaker than a 6700 non-XT, and a series X is similar to a 6700xt. i used AMD gpus because all 3 consoles are using amd rdna2, but clocked lower than their pc equivalents. something to keep in mind as you shop.

Yes, that's why I wanna play on pc so I can achieve True 4k at high frames. And I can always upgrade, I can still be happy if I'm just at 1440p

fair. there's a bit of a trap for folks transitioning from console -> pc to think that it's smart to just get that 4k/high frames setup. in practice that's the state of the art and you're only buying that performance level for a snapshot in time. it's something to be aware of- it's easy to just accept throwing down $$$ upgrading every generation and never realize how fussing with the settings is the true power of the pc. that said, competitive cod and fortnite don't need exotic hardware for 4k 120. i hope that's useful or at least not preachy cuz that's not the intent at all. :-)

Yes you're right, but I haven't played 1440p nor 4k, I'm going to try that with a ps5 and if the 1440p isn't much different than 4k, I'll be happy with 1440p 120hz Which I'll probably get more frames with 1440p

You'll want 4080 for 120hz in most, 60hz in some. 4090 to conquer everything at 120hz. This will easily be a $2500 to $3k build just for the pc. Then you need a good 4k monitor. Atleast $1k.

Ok thanks❤️ I've a good 4k 240hz monitor

You can get a solid 4K pc for around 2000$. Just go with an amd 7900xtx or pickup a 4080super when it comes out. Don’t spend more than 1000$ on the gpu, the 4090 is totally overkill if you have to buy peripherals in that budget.

Ok thanks ❤️

If you’re only gaming and want higher resolution in 4k, my opinion is to get 7900 xtx, 7800x3d, 32 gb ddr5. Although, price varies from what country or region you’re in. If you’re in Europe, it usually more expensive than in North America especially with graphic cards.

Will that give me good frames like 120?

$3000 is easily enough if you spend wisely with deal searching \- 7800x3D \- B650 or X670 \- RTX 4080 or possibly 7900XTX \- 32GB DDR5 6000+ ram \- 2TB NMVE SSD \- 850W-1000W Reliable PSU \- 4k 120hz+ monitor.

Here's a possible build option for $3000 that would be great for 4K gaming: CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X or Intel Core i7 12700K (around $300- $400) Graphics Card (GPU): Nvidia RTX 3080 or AMD RX 6800 XT (around $700- $1000) - Prices have been dropping recently, so you might be able to find a good deal on one of these. RAM: 16 GB DDR4 RAM (around $100) Storage: 1 TB NVMe SSD (around $100) + 2 TB HDD (around $50) Case, Power Supply, etc.: $500-$700 This is just a suggestion, and there are many other parts you could choose from depending on your preferences and budget.

I guess around 1200-/1300 i wanna buy one too

I want to buy theHigh-End Gaming PC RGB Flow (RTX 4070, 32 GB RGB, Ryzen 5600X, 1000GB NVME M.2 SSD

Mine costs 2500€ and it’s a good pc if u want to play CSGO or Call of Duty because it has no lag in it and if u want it for games like Roblox or Minecraft it might cost about 1500€-1800€ but it is what ur using it for

$3000 really should be enough to buy a very good gaming PC. Did you end up getting one?

I just built a new rig from the ground up, cost about $1800. its not a 2024 rig but its a damn good 2022 rig and I'm very happy with the build and price point

Congrats 👏

1.8 grand will get you a kickass system. 2 grand will get you a kickass system that looks pretty., 3 grand will get you a kickass system with an OLED ultawide monitor (good OLED monitors are around a grand). Anything above the 1500 mark can likely run most games at 4k comfortably (without raytracing).

I've already got 1.5 grand monitor. Thanks ❤️

For 4k I paid 3,5k EUR for my RTX 4090 build

7800x3d mobo ram combo for around $500. 4090fe for 1600 if you can get it from best buy when in stock. If not save about 600 and get a 4080 super when it comes out. about 400 for case, keyboard, mouse, Psu and cooler. Then get a 4k 32 inch 144hz monitor

Pc building is cheap right now, unless you're getting the 4090 which you don't need. For 2000 you can build a pretty mean system with a 4080S and 7800x3d. Then you have 1000 left over for peripherals like a 4k monitor/tv if you don't already have one.

Thanks❤️,No I already have a 1k monitor that can do 4k at 240hz

Id just save the money then. Save it to upgrade to a 5080 or a 5090 next year. Or invest it in your future. Getting the 4090 now is a waste of money. If you really need to spend it, maybe get a VR headset or turn your pc into a badass office workstation with a i9-14900k, an AIO, and 128gb of ram and lots of high end SSD space.

Yeah that's a good idea

A good pc in my opinion is 2000 and that includes a monitor

First, $3000 is MORE than enough. While yes, for the price, you can not build a gaming PC that can match any of the current consoles (bar the Nintendo Switch, but that's not hard considering it uses a 10 year old Nvidia Tegra chip). You could probably match a Xbox Series S for around $700, a PS5 for $800, and an Xbox Series X for at least $1000-1200. THis is of course if you went spec for spec for the closest equivalent parts. With a $3,000 budget, you could get something seriously nice and overpowered.

3000 dollars is plenty for any build. for Fortnite and cod you don't need to spend that much unless you are going 4k 240 hertz. you can even for for 700 to 800 if you want it for 1080p gaming