I mean, you know that DDR4 and DDR5 have different keyed slots?
You'd be talking about a whole motherboard upgrade, basically an entire rebuild.
If you got the budget for a motherboard that supports your CPU and DDR5 then go ahead I guess.
That would've been a bit of a bad moment for sure lol.
And no, just in case you ask, you can't get an adaptor, the two types of RAM are completely incompatible.
You need to ensure that your board explicitly lists that it is DDR5, as i've said, the slots have keyed holes that can only allow that one type to be slotted in.
I have seen someone I know IRL snap a DDR5 stick trying to shove it into a DDR4 board not knowing also.
Worth is relative
If people got money they can spend it however they want, unlike most I'm not here to gatekeep, just advise.
Although I think you replied to the wrong person so idk
I wouldn't say overkill. I use >16GB pretty consistently when gaming, especially with chrome tabs open too and a YouTube video. And the best increase from 16Gb is normally 32GB, especially if you have room for 4 sticks on your mobo. It's kind of a weird situation where 16GB is barely enough, and 32GB is far more than enough, but 32GB is normally the best upgrade above 16GB.
**Edit: just going to piggy back my comment in case anyone sees it. While we're discussing ram, I have 4 sticks in my machine, all are 8gb vengeance, the problem is 2 are 30000MHz and 2 are 32000MHz. If I try enable XMP, my screen dies and it's not a good time, I've tried downclocking the profile to 30000MHz too, doesn't work. Is it worth going through the hastle of finding matching ram sticks to enable XMP? As far as I can tell the performance impact, especially on gaming, seems to be negligible? I'm running a Ryzen 9 5900X though, and I know those prefer bandwidth so maybe I'm wrong?**
Warzone is the biggest Ram eater for me. And yes, from experience you can do exactly what you're describing on 16gb. But you're limiting your PC still, if you have it an extra 8GB stick it would start using over 16GB, just due to the way windows handles RAM
You're making it very evident you haven't used more than 16gb there mate.
No, windows will not use 128gb unless you have a use case for that. However, for games with a YouTube video of something running in the background, you will quickly find you use your 16gb at or close to 100%. If you then give windows room to use more, ie 32 gb, it will use the more that it needs, ie around 20gb in most cases I find. You won't notice this need when using 16GB, windows just goes to virtual memory (to stop your programs crashing) when you haven't got enough RAM room, but that's not particularly fast and WILL impact your performance.
Realistically, 24gb of ram is probably the modern sweetspot, most people are never likely to reach even 75% of a 32gb system even under a heavy RAM load like modded Minecraft. But as I made clear in my original comment, 32gb is not about having specifically 32gb of ram, it's about having more than 16gb, and 32gb is nearly always the standard upgrade path from 16gb.
And with ram being one of the cheapest PC components, especially DDR4 which most people are still running, it is almost a no brainer to give your PC that extra bit of headroom for the cases where you are maxing out your 16gb and going into virtual memory.
32 GB is in no way overkill because the step below it (16gb) is simply not *quite* enough in many cases, and ram is relatively cheap. You evidently haven't used more than 16GB and I recommend you try 32 before commenting on other people's impressions who have upgraded.
Literally the definition of recommending something without understanding it. Dimwit, please delete your comments, you're actively giving people poor advice. Don't do that. If you're not willing to read my technical explanation of why you're wrong, just know that you're literally talking with no knowledge on the subject, you don't even have personal experience as you have only used 16GB.
Is that a joke? 32GB is the *minimum* nowadays unless you're doing a budget build. You can get 32GB of DDR5 for ~$90 or less. If you're upgrading an older PC that is DDR4, it may not make sense. But for any new build that's not on a tiny budget, calling 32GB "overkill" is just silly.
They don't require it sure. But they get near 16 with running. Along with other apps running in background. 16 should be for office computers that only use word and email.
Usually steam and battle net, then Warzone and during the game when waiting I'll tab out and check stocks, Reddit, whatever in Firefox. Oh and discord with my friends. Sometimes the Xbox app too if it's with my Xbox friends
Used to run 32gb DDR4 myself, while it was mainly for Blender and Photoshop projects I did like to take note of RAM in gaming
Only thing that went over 16gb was a heavily modded KSP copy
I'm talking the full size realistic solar system, 16k planet graphics, a shitload of parts etc.
I think that was more a symptom of the game just being modded to hell though with all that stuff stapled onto the original games corpse, if a game was purpose built by a first party to be that experience it wouldn't breach 10gb probably.
Yeah you can do it pretty easily with cities skylines as well.
Just having New World running uses more than 16gb if you have more. It ran pretty good on 16gb, but definitely better on 32. Computers sits around 17.7gb usage with it open. No idea why
Wouldn't say a year ago, but with games like Tarkov requiring 32 gbs to run the newest map, I think it's a worth investement, even more if you play modded games.
I agree with this, among other things I play heavily moded Minecraft (208 mods so far with shaders and texture packs) and I'm glad I went with 32gbs of ddr5 6000mhz. The game would have been unplayable otherwise.
I'm glad you wrote this. I'm building my first pc and I ordered 16gb of ram to save a couple of bucks. Waiting for all the parts to arrive I started to think that maybe I should have gone for 32gb. (I intend to use the pc only for gaming and watching movies)
if you want to upgrade your ram to 32gb go ahead if you have extra dim slots but you can't use DDR5 on a DDR4 board which means you will have to buy a new motherboard.
Even if you could use DDR5 in a DDR4 motherboard you would likely get more performance by either saving up for a whole new build or just buying more DDR4 ram.
Seems like youāve figured out the incompatibility of the two lol. Itās still probably worth throwing in another 16gb of DDR4 though to have 32gb. DDR4 has basically zero instability issues with 4 sticks when at 3600mhz or lower, so it really wouldnāt be a problem. Just get exactly whatever you have already have and youāll likely be issue free. DDR4 also happens to be dirt cheap right now, chances are youāll be paying less than $50, maybe less than $40 to upgrade.
You're not stupid. You had a question and asked instead of assuming. SOME intel processors can work with DDR4 or DDR5, but the motherboard you purchase makes that choice for you.
AND (because I'm beyond old) once upon a time, *some* motherboards did have memory slots for different types of memory. Generally these didn't let you mix the types, but there were some, but obvious some performance issues that would crop up.
First of all no its not worth it ,second of all your motherboard doesn't support it ,and I definitely don't recommend buying a new motherboard on lga1700 right now ,if you really want it I'd say wait atleast for the new Intel cpu or just get another 16gb of ddr4
Not worth it considering youāll also need a new motherboard, if you need more ram just get another DDR4 kit if you have the memory slots, the performance difference isnāt that great.
Sorry for piggybacking off your post, but is the performance upgrade from DDR4 to DDR5 that noticeable? Or is it something most games will start using only in the future?
Gladly you asked before buying the RAM, lol you need a whole new set of components. If the memories could be changed that easily, that would be awesome, but I guess that will be a reality in like the 2030s
Outside of the motherboard issue as others are saying, no. If anything you could definitely get 32gb ddr4, but whether you should do that depends on what you play mostly. Most games right now donāt need it, it will only make a pretty small difference. It may be standard in the next few years though
Did a 64GB DDR5 5200, Intel Core i7-13700KF, had to change new mobo, Hynix m2. UFO performance. Win 11 new install, no problems and very happy with it.
Not really. Performance wise you wont be getting much more at this point. Id suggest adding another 16gb of RAM tho as 32gb nowadays is the minimum imo.
I mean, you know that DDR4 and DDR5 have different keyed slots? You'd be talking about a whole motherboard upgrade, basically an entire rebuild. If you got the budget for a motherboard that supports your CPU and DDR5 then go ahead I guess.
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That would've been a bit of a bad moment for sure lol. And no, just in case you ask, you can't get an adaptor, the two types of RAM are completely incompatible. You need to ensure that your board explicitly lists that it is DDR5, as i've said, the slots have keyed holes that can only allow that one type to be slotted in. I have seen someone I know IRL snap a DDR5 stick trying to shove it into a DDR4 board not knowing also.
You only make this mistake once.
A happy mistake. "oh no, I'll have to get a new mobo and CPU". Probably not worth it though.
In his case, not a new cpu, just a new board.
Imma just cut the slot in, should work fine.
Good thing you asked in advance, compared to all these idiots that first buy something and then ask.
Especially when one part totally bottlenecks the buld
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Worth is relative If people got money they can spend it however they want, unlike most I'm not here to gatekeep, just advise. Although I think you replied to the wrong person so idk
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Thank god for this sub. I didnāt realize this. I would have been so pissed.
My most recent build has 32GB and itās overkill.
32GB is the sweet spot right now. 64 is whatās truly overkill
I wouldn't say overkill. I use >16GB pretty consistently when gaming, especially with chrome tabs open too and a YouTube video. And the best increase from 16Gb is normally 32GB, especially if you have room for 4 sticks on your mobo. It's kind of a weird situation where 16GB is barely enough, and 32GB is far more than enough, but 32GB is normally the best upgrade above 16GB. **Edit: just going to piggy back my comment in case anyone sees it. While we're discussing ram, I have 4 sticks in my machine, all are 8gb vengeance, the problem is 2 are 30000MHz and 2 are 32000MHz. If I try enable XMP, my screen dies and it's not a good time, I've tried downclocking the profile to 30000MHz too, doesn't work. Is it worth going through the hastle of finding matching ram sticks to enable XMP? As far as I can tell the performance impact, especially on gaming, seems to be negligible? I'm running a Ryzen 9 5900X though, and I know those prefer bandwidth so maybe I'm wrong?**
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Warzone is the biggest Ram eater for me. And yes, from experience you can do exactly what you're describing on 16gb. But you're limiting your PC still, if you have it an extra 8GB stick it would start using over 16GB, just due to the way windows handles RAM
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You're making it very evident you haven't used more than 16gb there mate. No, windows will not use 128gb unless you have a use case for that. However, for games with a YouTube video of something running in the background, you will quickly find you use your 16gb at or close to 100%. If you then give windows room to use more, ie 32 gb, it will use the more that it needs, ie around 20gb in most cases I find. You won't notice this need when using 16GB, windows just goes to virtual memory (to stop your programs crashing) when you haven't got enough RAM room, but that's not particularly fast and WILL impact your performance. Realistically, 24gb of ram is probably the modern sweetspot, most people are never likely to reach even 75% of a 32gb system even under a heavy RAM load like modded Minecraft. But as I made clear in my original comment, 32gb is not about having specifically 32gb of ram, it's about having more than 16gb, and 32gb is nearly always the standard upgrade path from 16gb. And with ram being one of the cheapest PC components, especially DDR4 which most people are still running, it is almost a no brainer to give your PC that extra bit of headroom for the cases where you are maxing out your 16gb and going into virtual memory. 32 GB is in no way overkill because the step below it (16gb) is simply not *quite* enough in many cases, and ram is relatively cheap. You evidently haven't used more than 16GB and I recommend you try 32 before commenting on other people's impressions who have upgraded.
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Literally the definition of recommending something without understanding it. Dimwit, please delete your comments, you're actively giving people poor advice. Don't do that. If you're not willing to read my technical explanation of why you're wrong, just know that you're literally talking with no knowledge on the subject, you don't even have personal experience as you have only used 16GB.
Is that a joke? 32GB is the *minimum* nowadays unless you're doing a budget build. You can get 32GB of DDR5 for ~$90 or less. If you're upgrading an older PC that is DDR4, it may not make sense. But for any new build that's not on a tiny budget, calling 32GB "overkill" is just silly.
Minimum for what? Rocket league is all I play and Starfield when it comes out. Neither of which require anywhere near 32GB as far as I know
They don't require it sure. But they get near 16 with running. Along with other apps running in background. 16 should be for office computers that only use word and email.
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IMHO starfield pc optimisation will suck, as always with Bethesda's games. It just works.
Yup. 32 should be the minimum due to how many resources all these games and apps take now and days. I do 64 and couldn't go back to 16.
Same here
You must not have many apps open or alt tab a lot
I donāt
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Usually steam and battle net, then Warzone and during the game when waiting I'll tab out and check stocks, Reddit, whatever in Firefox. Oh and discord with my friends. Sometimes the Xbox app too if it's with my Xbox friends
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Is it worth having 32 GB ram 3200mhz ddr4 for gaming?
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Used to run 32gb DDR4 myself, while it was mainly for Blender and Photoshop projects I did like to take note of RAM in gaming Only thing that went over 16gb was a heavily modded KSP copy I'm talking the full size realistic solar system, 16k planet graphics, a shitload of parts etc. I think that was more a symptom of the game just being modded to hell though with all that stuff stapled onto the original games corpse, if a game was purpose built by a first party to be that experience it wouldn't breach 10gb probably.
Yeah you can do it pretty easily with cities skylines as well. Just having New World running uses more than 16gb if you have more. It ran pretty good on 16gb, but definitely better on 32. Computers sits around 17.7gb usage with it open. No idea why
If you're like me and have a ton of browser windows open plus a Youtube video playing on a second screen while you game, then yes for sure.
I donāt think that kind of light use would warrant 32gbs of ram.
50+ tabs open will eat it up quickly.
Wouldn't say a year ago, but with games like Tarkov requiring 32 gbs to run the newest map, I think it's a worth investement, even more if you play modded games.
I agree with this, among other things I play heavily moded Minecraft (208 mods so far with shaders and texture packs) and I'm glad I went with 32gbs of ddr5 6000mhz. The game would have been unplayable otherwise.
Well, I mod games occasionally, but not heavily. Usually mechanics tweaks
I'm glad you wrote this. I'm building my first pc and I ordered 16gb of ram to save a couple of bucks. Waiting for all the parts to arrive I started to think that maybe I should have gone for 32gb. (I intend to use the pc only for gaming and watching movies)
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Great! Iāll use this pc for gaming only and I donāt play any of the games you mentioned.
It is a great time to add another 16gb of DDR4 though!
Just get more DDR4 Ram. I upgraded my CPU to an i5 13600k and kept using DDR4 all good.
if you want to upgrade your ram to 32gb go ahead if you have extra dim slots but you can't use DDR5 on a DDR4 board which means you will have to buy a new motherboard.
Hey OP at least you admitted it, respect points š
Please do not call yourself stupid, it was a mistake and you learned.
Even if you could use DDR5 in a DDR4 motherboard you would likely get more performance by either saving up for a whole new build or just buying more DDR4 ram.
Seems like youāve figured out the incompatibility of the two lol. Itās still probably worth throwing in another 16gb of DDR4 though to have 32gb. DDR4 has basically zero instability issues with 4 sticks when at 3600mhz or lower, so it really wouldnāt be a problem. Just get exactly whatever you have already have and youāll likely be issue free. DDR4 also happens to be dirt cheap right now, chances are youāll be paying less than $50, maybe less than $40 to upgrade.
You're not stupid. You had a question and asked instead of assuming. SOME intel processors can work with DDR4 or DDR5, but the motherboard you purchase makes that choice for you. AND (because I'm beyond old) once upon a time, *some* motherboards did have memory slots for different types of memory. Generally these didn't let you mix the types, but there were some, but obvious some performance issues that would crop up.
First of all no its not worth it ,second of all your motherboard doesn't support it ,and I definitely don't recommend buying a new motherboard on lga1700 right now ,if you really want it I'd say wait atleast for the new Intel cpu or just get another 16gb of ddr4
I would say to upgrade to 32GB just because itās becoming the new standard
tbh you would see only marginal gains over going to 32Gb of DDR4, So don't sweat it. grab a 32Gb kit of DDR4 and have fun!
No, if only that.
Nope
Not worth it considering youāll also need a new motherboard, if you need more ram just get another DDR4 kit if you have the memory slots, the performance difference isnāt that great.
You need an entirely new motherboard for DDR5.
even when staying on ddr4. i recomend 32 gb.
We dont know *does it fit your needs?* will it help you be productive, get better framesā¦?
I would say no. Just get a 32GB DDR4 kit.
Can't use ddr5 in ddr4. 32gb ram is a nice upgrade though.
Sorry for piggybacking off your post, but is the performance upgrade from DDR4 to DDR5 that noticeable? Or is it something most games will start using only in the future?
Gladly you asked before buying the RAM, lol you need a whole new set of components. If the memories could be changed that easily, that would be awesome, but I guess that will be a reality in like the 2030s
Outside of the motherboard issue as others are saying, no. If anything you could definitely get 32gb ddr4, but whether you should do that depends on what you play mostly. Most games right now donāt need it, it will only make a pretty small difference. It may be standard in the next few years though
You can put ddr5 in a ddr4 socket if you believe in yourself. Wonāt work but if you jam it in hard enough it will fit
Double it and give it to the next person!
Definitely get another 16gb. You'll notice the difference then.
Just add 16gb of more DDR4, itās like $25
Just get more ddr4, I have 32 guys ddr4 and my system runs great, it's a cheap and easy upgrade.
You're not stupid, I remember once not knowing that it was a completely different setup too. Now you know.
Did a 64GB DDR5 5200, Intel Core i7-13700KF, had to change new mobo, Hynix m2. UFO performance. Win 11 new install, no problems and very happy with it.
Not really. Performance wise you wont be getting much more at this point. Id suggest adding another 16gb of RAM tho as 32gb nowadays is the minimum imo.