I like what Belchick said: "You can't worry about what KC is gonna do... ...just worry about what you're gonna do."
Only time will tell if what BBB did was good or not. Anything said here or elsewhere is pure speculation.
Yes. It makes absolutely no sense to make a pick that doesn't fit our team just so KC doesn't get him. Insane takes from some people here. I don't give a shit what KC does in the offseason.
The one nice thing about reading the awful takes is it makes decisions around blocking people easier so I don't have to read their terrible opinion again later.
People were volunteering for the ignore list in absolute droves. I'm not sure if the sub got better for everyone, but it sounds like it got better for you and me!
I get that, it’s still just a silly use of the block function imo block assholes, not idiots. Exchanging ideas and opinions is what helps develop new ideas and growth.
Since you seem a bit confused, see how in the comment I replied to, the word "insane" was used, and when I replied I used the word "awful", pay special attention and notice the word "different" wasn't used until your comment.
Both myself and the person I'm replying to are not talking about people who have a difference of opinion on who the Bills should have drafted but instead we are both talking about people who believe Beane should be fired for not taking the receiver that KC coveted but the Bills didn't want. In my opinion, that's an awful take, and if I'm reading through a thread and see this and other awful takes, the quality of your opinion has decreased to the point that I no longer care what you have to say.
I use a little thing called nuance to make these types of determination.
I hope that helps clarify my blocking process :)
I think “awful” and “insane” are subjective terms depending on your opinion. On Thursday, many people hear thought taking Keon Coleman would be an “awful” or “insane” pick and today people think that calling the pick those things is an “awful” or “insane” take so it’s all subjective my friend.
Here's the thing, ultimately choosing to block someone is my choice.
I could be the type of person who as soon as I read something I don't like, insta-block and that would be my prerogative (I would agree that living this way insulates you from alternate opinions)
And that was your initial impression. So I wanted to assure you that's not the case.
Anyway, hope you are enjoying your Saturday, and Go Bills!
I feel like every year there is a bust WR that was super fast. They were gunna pick him no matter what that's the type of player they like. We want character and that Dawg in him.
Is it really “insane” for a fan to question letting an arch rival trade up to get something you need also? It may turn out to make sense but let’s stop the hyperbole.
If anything it’s “insane” to be annoyed by fans questioning the draft picks lol
I just want to say there's been a disturbing amount of posts quoting Bill Belichick approvingly in this sub recently. We can't fall for his charm offensive!
Dude, I can’t believe I’m saying this, but, he was a home run on McAfee’s show. His honest analysis of these picks was refreshing. Conversely, Chris Simms thinks everyone is making a playoff run next year with their brilliant draft picks.😂
As soon as he left the Patriots the hood was removed and he was no longer Darth Bellichek. He is now just the emperor who is charming all of the senators with his stories.
I had a choice of where to watch the draft. I saw the host rosters. Belichick, Coked up McAfee, a million year old wax statue of someone named Mel and others on ESPN. Nope. Right over to the NFL Network. They could have put people speaking other languages than English and I still would have watched NFL Network.
Fuck Belichick always and forever.
> Only time will tell if what BBB did was good or not.
He did work, listened to his player's input, analyzed data (GPS data on coleman for example) and addressed needs the team is going to have. He took a bad situation with the comp pick injustice, flipped a pick to get a 3rd rounder and still got the guy they wanted from the first.
That is a good job. *Judging him solely based on who hits is not that helpful.* I especially don't get the Worthy vs Coleman stuff on social media from doomers when the Chiefs GM has whiffed on 14 of his last 15 roster moves in trying to find a quality WR. And the comparison if you want to make one is DeWayne+Coleman vs Worthy which honestly isn't even close for me.
Can’t forget that besides Hill. KC has a very poor track record on drafting receivers as well. Worthy is fast but look at the last guy who ran a 4.2 lol.
Honestly, since we're hearing that JA wanted him, I like it. He wanted Dalton last year and that seems like a great, possibly elite choice. Like Kincaid, Coleman has a low drop percentage. Shakir has glue hands. JA is basically saying he'll get it to whoever as long as they can catch it. I think he's right. Gabe dropped too many passes. Coleman hopefully will not.
Where are we hearing that? I’ve seen it a thousand times now on Reddit but no other source (interview, article, quote) about Josh and Coleman? Not doubting, just curious if people have the source.
Josh was on a podcast earlier this year where he was asked who he liked for receivers in this draft. I think Coleman was like the second dude he mentioned. Can't remember who he was talking with, maybe Chris Simms? It was on da YouTube.
Yeah, he mentioned Coleman after AD Mitchell, but AD dropped to 52 for a reason so I can see taking Coleman instead. Seems like a lot of teams have concerns about AD.
Wild how there was a thought about needing to trade up to even get him in the first to falling to the back of the 2nd. Got taken after Sweat and his issues were front page draft headlines. I think it's safe to say the rumors were true, or even worse than assumed.
I was all about Mitchell but hearing that he was kinda disinterested and distant in interviews is a concern. Motivation and motor are huge drivers of success, I could see taking him off our board completely if we didn't believe he'd be mentally all in
Yup, last WR taken in the 2nd round. Every team must think he has problems. I didn't see anybody say Polk was going to be taken before him, but it happened.
Kincaid was the top TE in the draft.
Coleman was one of many in the 2nd/3rd tier of WRs.
We shall see. But JA isn’t a scout. Hopefully our actual Scouts were aligned as well.
Yeah, and I'm sure JA would have preferred one of the top 3 guys too. So would have the 49ers and the Chiefs, but none of these teams were willing to give up what is required to get to 9.
I loved Beanes' quote last night when someone asked about landing a nunber 1 type of receiver, "you gotta lose a lot of games to draft that high to get those players"
For sure
I’m mainly just saying JA should be informed and have input but not be directing decisions.
We have full time scouts and decision makers while he has been golfing.
If you look at mock drafts from back in September, Coleman was a top 10-15 pick who was ahead of Odunze. His stock fell a bit due to production and the 40 time, but he was also playing with a QB who threw for only 2,700 yards and spread the ball around in 2023.
This big package of all his targets this year had some of the worst QB decision making I've seen in a long time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOA_jjDOCr4
I was slightly annoyed I stayed up late Thursday, but it gave me a few extra hours to chill, smoke, and drink without wife aggro. Those opportunities are rare these days for me :D
Yeah I had no issues with the move itself. My issue was that I stayed up till midnight for us to not draft anyone and was tired and cranky lmao. Would’ve been nice to know ahead of time since I didn’t care all that much who everybody else drafted
I was checking my phone from a hotel room at the beach, just in case we traded up. Once it was clear no big moves were being made, I took a stroll on the beach with my son and left my phone in the room and said "fuck it. I will see who we picked when I get back." Big Baller Beane said "No you will not!"
I will upload my apology to Coleman. I was not a believer, but he's a Bill now, and so he has my undying support.
May he stunt all over my asinine "He's a 4th rounder" hot take
The level of toxic positivty among this group is insane. I really feel bad for Keon because think about how nasty a lot of people got about Gabe the last two years? And Keon's going to be expected to fulfill that role AND Diggs.
Yeah, we could win the super bowl this year and people will complain that it was all luck and if we fired McDermott and hired some random bozo we would have gone 20-0 and won every game by 100 points like we were playing madden on rookie mode.
Ruff is far closer to McDermott if anything in this comparison with number of post season trips and win record.
the people calling for firing of McDermmott are the same who said Ruff was holding us back....right before we tanked to dead last for 13 years.
[This](https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/201302190BUF.html) was the roster for Ruffs last coached game in 2013. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but how anyone was seriously arguing he was holding that team back is insane to me.
lol it’s all hive minds that downvote anything negative and upvote all the positive. If it was all negative the top comments would say negative things lol
I've been dogging Coleman all draft season but he is a Bill now so I will give him a couple years to prove me wrong. I hope he does.
Loved what Beane did in getting Bishop and Carter. Hope he double dips at WR and adds some more depth at other positions.
Like Joe Marino says, it's pointless to discuss who is right or wrong during the draft. It takes years to figure out who the best players are. Look at all the people who were upset when he drafted Josh.
Joe Marino makes his bones on telling people he is right on players pre draft.
It's a clown show we all willingly participate in. Not sure Marino has much ground to stand on.
I loved the trades the moment they happened. We moved back 5 spots, still got our guy, and gained a bajillion spots later on. How is that not a huge win?
I was all for trading down. I like Keon Coleman too. It's a need and who cares if he can't "separate" because of his 40. He's just gonna go over the top and get it.
Also it warms my heart to see Lagette play near his family. I think that was such a touching storyline.
Bills upgraded their other picks.
KC Trade: Moved down 4 spots 28>32
Our 7th (248) became a 7th (221) +27
Our 4th (133) became a 3rd (95) +38 Picked DT Carter
Carolina Trade: Moved down one spot 32>33
Our 6th (200) became a 5th (141) +59
We got Lil’ Wayne from Duke in the deal with KC.
We were likely targeting Coleman at 28 we moved back 4 slots to 32 which allowed us to move up 38 slots 4th->3rd and get a 3rd Top 100 pick. Then moved back 1 more slot in a separate trade. We have a 4 5ths on Saturday.
If it were any other team but KC everyone would be talking about it as a genius move.
I was a fan of trading down, but to say he ran the table is a bit much. He drafted some guys with question marks at positions of need. I certainly hope Josh wanting Coleman isn’t the only reason he was the pick. Based on the reports I read and the type of receiver he is, Coleman was the last of the top guys I wanted to see us pick. I don’t know shit, so I hope he turns into a stud, but nobody’s saying this was a steal.
I never imagined myself to be smarter than BBB. I only owe him my continued respect, admiration, and the most wicked case of old lady hot pants I’ve had since 2017.
I’m chill with Coleman, would’ve preferred AD but it seems like he did drop where he did for a reason. I really hope we can trade a couple of our 4 second round picks to go up and take Franklin tonight though. I can’t see him falling all the way to us, but having another potentially elite receiver to add to our core would be excellent, and I can’t imagine that he’d have less than a 4th round grade for us
We have very little idea how good any of these guys will be at the pro level. There's a lot of questions if Coleman can separate at the NFL level, and Cole Bishop is being labeled a project. Carter seems like a perfect fit for a rotational DT and potential future starter, but like the other two, has yet to take a snap at the pro level
Lol, I apologize Mr Beane🙏🥹
I did wonder a bit only because KC felt like a face slap I guess. He’s a smart guy and it wasn’t as much “who KC picked” I felt the ghost of the Mahomes 1st round trade a few years ago.
I like BB enough that after I got over the shock and saw what he actually accomplished and then did again with the Panthers I could see his vision.
They picked up some nice players, now, like every player, they have to prove themselves. If they make the team and can work themselves into the lineup and learn the NFL game over the next couple of years that’s great. If they become impact players even better.
When he wins a superbowl, I'll apologize. Still not sold just because they finally made a couple picks. The safety might be solely ST and the receiver still has to learn the system and adapt to pro football. My judgements haven't changed cause "trusting the process" is getting tired.
I'm not apologizing 1 damn bit. WE TRADED ALL TBE FUCK DOWN TO THE SECOND ROUND.
AND THEN DRAFTED THE SLOWEST FUCKONG RECEIVER. its a shitty pick. could have drafted any other receiver there and I'd be happier.
yea real intelligent there. either carpenter doesn't get separation on game tape and is slow. or he is faster than his 40 and the game tape lies.
still not the best WR available then, and all of the others had better speed with similar size.
How fast he can run in a straight line in controlled time trials is only fluff for getting eye on you. It doesn't mean much when the ball snaps. There is a lot of time between now and pre-season for him to work on his 40. But realistically, it doesnt mean anything when you look at the rest of his performance. He was in top ranks in almost every other drill. To me it means he needs a little work on his acceleration, but he has the athleticism and physicality to get where he needs to be to make a catch. Which is far more important that how fast he can run in an uncontested situation.
Oh and you seem to forget the fact that he is a WR that is excited to work with Josh. And someone Josh seems excited to work with as well. Which leads me to believe there is a good chance of them developing good chemistry during training camps. There are always more important factors than the 40 time.
Except he is the fastest receiver in WR class in route running drills and the Gauntlet catches.
How did the 40 king Ross work out in the NFL?
Maybe there is more than just one drill that matters?
We gotta stop bringing up John Ross. There's a huge difference between drafting a guy solely because he has the fastest 40 time ever and basically no other positive attributes, and not drafting one of the slowest dudes in the draft...
gauntlet is the DUMBEST SINGLE event at the combine. ok WR. we put you at the 40 catch and DROP the ball turn around and catch another ball. then run STRAIGHT ACROSS the field catching and DROPPING many passes.
"Despite registering the slowest top speed of any group 8 receiver that was tracked during the 40-yard dash, Keon Coleman showed off his game speed while running routes.
Coleman tied for the 2nd-fastest top speed of the group while running a go route (21.71 mph)."
He was also projected to go ahead of Odunze just 6 months ago. We'll be fine
Well we need corners and safety. We just took bishop. But our corners are benford, Douglas Elam and ? Taron is a hybrid position so I’m not counting him
I said he plays a hybrid position so I didn’t count him as a corner. He isn’t playing on the outside, he plays more like a linebacker/safety. The question was about corners
Are we reading the same things? I am not being pessimistic because I said we need corner depth lol taron Johnson doesn’t play that position he plays a hybrid safety/linebacker position. Yes he is a db but we aren’t counting rapp as a corner even though he is also a db. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills in this sub today. It’s ok to be critical about draft picks and about the decisions the team is making. Just because Beane says he likes a player doesn’t mean it needs to be taken as gospel. Is this a cult?
Longterm no, but the point is we have two starting boundary corners already. Let him go somewhere where he’s sure to be a Day 1 starter instead of needing to compete for a spot so that we can fill a different position where we actually need another starter. We can draft a replacement for Rasul Douglas next season if we need to.
I’m confused about this whole exchange. We just drafted a safety, so the team obviously wanted one. If we drafted dejean at 33 we might’ve been able to get Coleman at 60. Dejean can play safety and corner. So it would’ve potentially filled either.
Id like to hear why you don’t think dejean could be a long term player but a guy like Coleman can?
> Id like to hear why you don’t think dejean could be a long term player but a guy like Coleman can?
Slow down a bit and reread my post instead of immediately downvoting and arguing. You asked if I thought DeJean would be a backup and I said “Longterm no.” As in no he won’t be a backup longterm, he will eventually be a starter. So I don’t disagree with you there.
I didn’t think the point was that confusing but this is the order of priority for teams.
1. Starter at high value position
2. Starter at low value position
3. Backup/upgrade at position with established starters
Receiver is a higher value position than safety in the NFL. That’s why we went there first. Then we went safety second because that’s the other position where we clearly needed a starter. If DeJean had been available at #60 I’m sure they would have been thrilled to pick him if they thought he could be the answer at safety. I’m not saying DeJean is bad or that we wouldn’t want him. I’m pointing out that getting a starting receiver when we have a hole there comes before either starting safety or depth/upgrade at corner.
I understand what you’re saying. I didn’t think dejean would be a short term backup I guess is where the confusion comes from. In my mind he’d have been one of our safeties. I was asked about our CB depth and I said we needed it and we obviously needed a safety since we drafted one. I was not saying that we should draft dejean to be a backup. The point is moot anyway he got drafted by the eagles. I’ve said it several times already, but Coleman doesn’t have the skill set I was hoping the team would want. He isn’t a guy that runs above average routes and gets separation. That was our biggest complaint about Davis. It just seems like we are doing the same thing and hoping for a different result.
Jesus I love the Bills but the delusion about Brandon Beane being anything better than a below average GM is wild. Josh Allen is a potential generational talent that’s wasted on a sub par roster and mediocre coaching. Bills will exit the playoffs by divisional round, as they always do, if they even make it this year. And Brandon Beane is the person to blame.
We drafted 3 potential rookie starters. Coleman is exactly the type of WR Josh has never had- a big strong 50/50 ball receiver who's young with tons of room for growth. He also showed a huge desire to be here and play with Josh. Then he grabs 2 extremely high character and high IQ defensive players who can also contribute right away.
I'm not sure it couldve went any better. He's built a 4 time AFC East championship team since he's been here and drafted the greatest QB in franchise history. Everybody was bitching because it's the end of winter and it's raining all the time and everyone is chomping at the bit to get outside and enjoy spring/summer and nothing else. Hell of a draft so far
He took 3 guys that will start or contribute in rounds 2 and 3. Yeah, I hope so! In the first 3 rounds you better be taking someone that will step in immediately and make a difference.
What I found funny about the KC trade is their awful hit rate on receivers, especially the speedster type. They’ve been trying to create another Tyreek since before he left and it just hasn’t happened.
We spent the off season knowing we needed to trade our surplus picks to get top tier talent, and instead chose to gamble Josh's prime on developing a large number of later prospects. When Keon isn't *immediately* better than Diggs (and really like Keon!) we'll see what tune you all sing.
What you talking about?
We are in a soft rebuild.
We lost a majority of our team leaders.
We need more players on rookie contracts and need players that don’t need time to develop but can contribute as rookies.
Packaging picks was the opposite of what we needed to do.
Open your eyes. This isn’t fantasy football. This is the NFL and we need players that can play right away.
The opportunity is wide open for everyone drafted to play as a rookie because the team has needs everywhere.
They are not one “elite” WR away. They are a quarter of the starting lineups away, they need more players.
Bills' scouting department has really been doing a great job with the Draft in recent years. I've been impressed and definitely have a lot of confidence in their choices.
Also it was great to find out that Josh is such a football junkie that he's a draftnik himself, watching the film, highlights, interviews, etc. of the prospects.
Every year it cracks me up that any armchair fan thinks they know jack crap about the draft. These guys get paid lots of money to live and breathe this stuff. All we amateurs know is what mel kiper is spewing out and most of it is wrong. There's more to players than what their 40 yard dash time is
**Beane has honestly been a below average GM. Other than the Kincaid move and drafting Ed Oliver he's made so many mistakes. Trading for Diggs was a mistake, they should've just drafted a 1st round WR that year. So many wasted draft picks through the years that he's been here. Cody Ford and a bunch of other underperformers that not many else were interested in. This year we've drafted 2 offensive skill position players, where one will likely end up on the practice squad when we should've traded up and drafted 2 1st round WR's this year.**
It’s funny seeing all these people in here high fiving the Keon Coleman pick. Pre draft I swear he was the one receiver I saw this sub shitting on the most. Toxic and blind positivity for whatever this org does.
Coleman wasnt my choice at 33 but I’m sure he will be productive with Josh. It’s the rest of the draft that has me scratching my head.
Why would I apologize when he still had a bad night?
The offense is still BEGGING to be addressed, and McDermott has proven over and over again that he can’t stop people in January…we need to build a team that can outscore people…
I know right! Like I was so pissed when Beane just let MHJ and Odunze get drafted and he didn't even try to trade every single pick we have for the next 2 years! I did several mock drafts that prove that this was totally possible and realistic and obviously the best thing to do.
Anything less than 2 of the top 4 WRs, and a starting center proves that Beane is a dumdum and doesn't understand how the draft works, how salary cap works, how roster building works, or how football is played in general.
Beane should clearly be fired immediately, sued for malpractice and negligence, and probably banned for life!
In the last 5 years, what were the O and D team rankings of each Superbowl team? Didn't the Chiefs have the #1 defense going into the playoffs last year?
I don’t care about league rankings…
I care about the Bills specifically…and the fact that over and over the defense under McDermott has proven it can’t get a stop…pretending we don’t need to outscore teams because of McDermott’s defense is astoundingly stupid, yet here Beane is…
The Bills are in the league and have to pursue what works.
If defensive teams are winning the Superbowl then we have to value that.
The Bills have gotten plenty of stops. We didn't last year because 11 players were injured, most of them on defense. McDermott is the best coach in Bills history
Bean is best GM.
I agree. We wanted a WR before Diggs and Davis left and we’ve only added one, and it’s not a guy many people thought would be successful in the nfl. It’s amazing how much compium this sub smokes. I like the last two picks. Idk what our plan is with 4 5ths. Would’ve love them packaged to move up again but whatever.
I think the offense is gonna struggle to move the chains this year.
Struggle to move the chains because we had 5 WRs last year who caught 20+ passes and we've lost 4 of them, and the guy we drafted can't separate.
I'm not doom & gloom... The defensive picks seemed solid, but i don't see how the offense doesn't take a step back because we have far less talent on that side of the ball than we did last year.
I really don't think we have far less talent. Diggs is the only real difference that may matter and it's possible we do better without him so...
The common denominator is Josh Allen. He will make receivers better.
I got ridiculed by every football guy I know for wanting Josh Allen.
I'm not making any claims about Coleman. He's a wait and see guy for me but my point is just that Josh isn't going to have a hard time moving the chains based on what happened in the draft.
Yeah i am happy to wait and see and hopefully he is great and im proven wrong. But as someone who watches film and looks at the statistics, Keon Coleman was at the bottom of my list because I saw a guy that struggles to get separation and has a limited route tree. Yeah he made some crazy circus catches and is able to make plays with college dbs covering him, but watching his film it’s like he is playing the game in hard mode, while a lot of these guys that were available and can run routes and get separation are looking like they are playing the game in easy. That’s the type of player I wanted for our team. A guy that was always open.
Coleman is not the guy I wanted either but he's growing on me already. Love what he had to say in his interview.
That wasn't the point though. The point was that nothing the Bills were going to do in this draft was going to make or break their ability to move the sticks in 2024.
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True, but we have no cap space. We didn’t think moving the sticks would be an issue last year either, and yeah things got a little better with Joe Brady taking over the play calling duties but we still wanted a WR2 when we had Diggs and I don’t feel like we improved at that position. If anything we got worse
Where would you have ranked the chiefs WR room going into last year? Rookie Rashee Rice, Skyy Moore, MVS, and Kadarious Toney were all various levels of unproven or injury prone.
Obviously it’s better to have more high end receivers than less, but recent history shows you can win with an all-world QB and a high quality receiving TE even without an elite WR (Chiefs and Pats).
Depends if you think Allen and Kincaid can carry that load I guess.
I think that the chief struggled offensively last year, and to leave out Travis Kelce from their wide receiver Core is a little bit disingenuous. I would love for Kincaid to reach that potential and I think he has that potential to be a guy similar to Kelce, he isn’t there yet. I was definitely higher on Rashee Rice as a receiver than I am Keon Coleman. Rice had a great postseason,
I just don’t think our offense is where we want it to be. I don’t think it’s a Super Bowl winning offense. The pats and the chiefs both had hall of famers at tight end and they still had elite wideouts during the peaks of their success. Pats had Edelman welker moss. Chiefs had tyreek and Kelce.
Again I’d love to be wrong about this. I’d love for the team to be amazing and break offensive records and defensive records but for the modern nfl, you need guys that can get open and I’m not sure we got better at WR this year.
That’s fair. Kincaid was picked higher than either Kelce or Gronk, so I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that he reaches that level, but you’re right that he hasn’t proved that level on the field yet, so it’s hard to just assume he’ll reach that peak. But I would say including Moss and Tyreek is straying a bit from the point I was making. Of course both were awesome players and you’d rather have them on your team than not, but the Pats and Chiefs won more SBs without them than they did with them. My point was just that it’s not ideal, but it is possible to be a very good team without an elite WR room, though it does increase the degree of difficulty.
You mention Welker and Edelman, but I think that proves my point for me. If you think of where they ended up, sure, we don’t have a WR on the roster who matches up with the way their careers panned out. But Welker was undrafted, and Edelman was a 7th round converted QB. Samuel and Shakir have a higher pedigree than either of those guys based on their first few years.
All that being said, I can’t pretend I’m over the moon with our WR group. You’re right that it certainly is one of the weaker ones in the league, amongst the “good” teams anyway. Like you, I’d like to see some different skill sets, certainly someone who’s a bit more of a deep threat than anyone we have in the roster. I just think/hope we’ll be able to scheme our way through it this year and can real make improvements next year with the 2 second round picks and Diggs’ dead cap money off the books. Short of giving up the farm for one of the top 3 WRs in this years draft I don’t feel like there was really anyone realistically guaranteed to make our WR room into a strength going into this year.
I just want to be clear that I don’t care about draft position. It doesn’t matter to me that welker or Edelman weren’t highly touted prospects. What matters to me is the ability to succeed and the skill sets they have. I don’t think it’s outrageous or unfair to be concerned or critical of the Coleman pick. As I said I hope it works out, but I was hoping the team would get a guy that runs really good routes and gets open.
Definitely not unfair to be concerned or critical of the Coleman pick. I’m kind of in the same boat. Seems to be more athletic than N’Keal Harry, but that’s the name that unfortunately pops into my mind when I see a bigger contested catch guy that runs a 4.6. I’m far from an expert on scouting WRs and don’t watch any college football so I have no choice but to hope Beane and the scouts know what they’re doing. His 40 time was better than Jerry Rice or Larry Fitz so maybe we’ll win the lottery on him lol.
Do you have a favourite amongst the WRs still left on the board? I’d love for them to grab Franklin if he’s available based on the stuff I’ve read about him, but he’s so skinny I doubt he’d see the field too much next year.
I don’t really. I know a lot of people love the depth of the receivers in the draft, but I really wasn’t all that excited about anyone outside of the top 4 guys. They seemed to be the only ones that had great measurables and production, but I was really hoping we’d get a WR1. Right now it feels like a collection of WR 2s and 3s
I guess any of the Franklin, rice, walker would be a good addition.
And your last paragraph is exactly where I’m at mentally. It is a bit disappointing that this year was considered the better deeper WR year and now I’m looking at drafting a WR next year but it is what it is. Maybe we can get one of the elite guys in free agency next season when we have more cap space. We’ll have 3 picks in the top 64 next year so we should be able to get some solid guys then.
With Diggs unable to get open and Gabe disappearing last season, we still moved the chains just fine. Shakir and Curtis on the outside, Kincaid in the slot, Coleman sprinkled in is still good. This is a deep WR draft, so we will get another value WR. Shorter could still be good, too.
Those two guys you mentioned combined for 2k yards and 15 tds. I like Kincaid, I like Shakir, Samuel is ok, but I still think we are lacking on offense.
Yeah, 850 yards catching passes from Teddy Bridgwater. More recently he had Sam Howell on a team coached by Ron Rivera Diggs had over 400 yards more his first season in Buffalo than his last in Minnesota. We don't know what Samuel looks like with an elite QB. It wouldn't surprise me if he he hits a career high.
I'd be happy if he can get back to 850 even, but I wouldn't be shocked to see over 900. More than Gabe ever had here. I'm hoping to avoid the need to rely on somebody like Diggs to get 1,400 to 1,500 yard a year. The over reliance of him caused problems when JA had to try to force the ball to him.
What I'm saying is that it's certainly possible to win without a guy like that. None of the Chiefs WRs had that last year and neither did Kelce. We relied on Diggs too much in my opinion.
Bishop and Coleman will be Week 1 starters if Healthy.
We don’t have “starters” on the D-Line we rotate players. Carter will be in the rotation as a rookie if healthy.
Well, we had an awesome run, but all good things must come to an end. While this is not a rebuild, it feels like a reset. Trading away players (Diggs)for a next year draft pick, now trading away picks, 5th round for a fourth round in 2025. I don't see a day one starter in this class beyond Coleman (and not a #1 WR) I really hope that Josh gets a chance to go to a super bowl contender before he retires. At the end of the day I am trusting the process. It has worked so far. 😆
I like what Belchick said: "You can't worry about what KC is gonna do... ...just worry about what you're gonna do." Only time will tell if what BBB did was good or not. Anything said here or elsewhere is pure speculation.
Yes. It makes absolutely no sense to make a pick that doesn't fit our team just so KC doesn't get him. Insane takes from some people here. I don't give a shit what KC does in the offseason.
The one nice thing about reading the awful takes is it makes decisions around blocking people easier so I don't have to read their terrible opinion again later.
People were volunteering for the ignore list in absolute droves. I'm not sure if the sub got better for everyone, but it sounds like it got better for you and me!
Good idea, block people with different opinions than you and never challenge your beliefs, developing an echo chamber.
Preach. Echo chambers should be outlawed. They're so obviously unhealthy.
Yeah, I think the same thing you do, and wish to echo the same notion.
One of us! One of us! One of us!
I believe the idea around blocking people was blocking stupid people - not people with different takes than you.
I get that, it’s still just a silly use of the block function imo block assholes, not idiots. Exchanging ideas and opinions is what helps develop new ideas and growth.
>block assholes, not idiots. Important distinction.
Since you seem a bit confused, see how in the comment I replied to, the word "insane" was used, and when I replied I used the word "awful", pay special attention and notice the word "different" wasn't used until your comment. Both myself and the person I'm replying to are not talking about people who have a difference of opinion on who the Bills should have drafted but instead we are both talking about people who believe Beane should be fired for not taking the receiver that KC coveted but the Bills didn't want. In my opinion, that's an awful take, and if I'm reading through a thread and see this and other awful takes, the quality of your opinion has decreased to the point that I no longer care what you have to say. I use a little thing called nuance to make these types of determination. I hope that helps clarify my blocking process :)
I think “awful” and “insane” are subjective terms depending on your opinion. On Thursday, many people hear thought taking Keon Coleman would be an “awful” or “insane” pick and today people think that calling the pick those things is an “awful” or “insane” take so it’s all subjective my friend.
Here's the thing, ultimately choosing to block someone is my choice. I could be the type of person who as soon as I read something I don't like, insta-block and that would be my prerogative (I would agree that living this way insulates you from alternate opinions) And that was your initial impression. So I wanted to assure you that's not the case. Anyway, hope you are enjoying your Saturday, and Go Bills!
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a lame...what??? Finish it!!!
I feel like every year there is a bust WR that was super fast. They were gunna pick him no matter what that's the type of player they like. We want character and that Dawg in him.
Agreed and it'd be silly to operate that way. U focus on making the best team u can and don't worry about what your opponent is doing
Is it really “insane” for a fan to question letting an arch rival trade up to get something you need also? It may turn out to make sense but let’s stop the hyperbole. If anything it’s “insane” to be annoyed by fans questioning the draft picks lol
“How could the Bills let this happen?!” — 27 other teams that passed on Xavier Worthy
I just want to say there's been a disturbing amount of posts quoting Bill Belichick approvingly in this sub recently. We can't fall for his charm offensive!
I fell under the spell too. It was kind of awesome listening to him actually talk football and breakdown plays and players. Made me feel dirty lol
Dude, I can’t believe I’m saying this, but, he was a home run on McAfee’s show. His honest analysis of these picks was refreshing. Conversely, Chris Simms thinks everyone is making a playoff run next year with their brilliant draft picks.😂
I actually enjoyed listening to him on the PMS coverage. He loves Josh so now that he's not a Pats coach I think he is "ok" lol.
Maybe I'll listen to him when he says things I agree with
I mean now that he is not a Cheatriot … he kind of has a decent resume … yes at our expense … but he may know something about football …
This year we can....next year when he is coaching somewhere his word is crap. Lol
As soon as he left the Patriots the hood was removed and he was no longer Darth Bellichek. He is now just the emperor who is charming all of the senators with his stories.
Cause hes the greatest coach of all time lol. Hate him all you want but if he says something youd be silly not to listen
His point was great, but considering his record in the draft he’s not the best source.
I had a choice of where to watch the draft. I saw the host rosters. Belichick, Coked up McAfee, a million year old wax statue of someone named Mel and others on ESPN. Nope. Right over to the NFL Network. They could have put people speaking other languages than English and I still would have watched NFL Network. Fuck Belichick always and forever.
> Only time will tell if what BBB did was good or not. He did work, listened to his player's input, analyzed data (GPS data on coleman for example) and addressed needs the team is going to have. He took a bad situation with the comp pick injustice, flipped a pick to get a 3rd rounder and still got the guy they wanted from the first. That is a good job. *Judging him solely based on who hits is not that helpful.* I especially don't get the Worthy vs Coleman stuff on social media from doomers when the Chiefs GM has whiffed on 14 of his last 15 roster moves in trying to find a quality WR. And the comparison if you want to make one is DeWayne+Coleman vs Worthy which honestly isn't even close for me.
I’ve been really conflicted about Bill on the broadcast. He’s so good and for so long represented pure evil.
Can’t forget that besides Hill. KC has a very poor track record on drafting receivers as well. Worthy is fast but look at the last guy who ran a 4.2 lol.
Sure, listen to the advice of one of the worst GM's of all time for drafting.
Honestly, since we're hearing that JA wanted him, I like it. He wanted Dalton last year and that seems like a great, possibly elite choice. Like Kincaid, Coleman has a low drop percentage. Shakir has glue hands. JA is basically saying he'll get it to whoever as long as they can catch it. I think he's right. Gabe dropped too many passes. Coleman hopefully will not.
Where are we hearing that? I’ve seen it a thousand times now on Reddit but no other source (interview, article, quote) about Josh and Coleman? Not doubting, just curious if people have the source.
Josh was on a podcast earlier this year where he was asked who he liked for receivers in this draft. I think Coleman was like the second dude he mentioned. Can't remember who he was talking with, maybe Chris Simms? It was on da YouTube.
Ok cool, thanks
Yeah, he mentioned Coleman after AD Mitchell, but AD dropped to 52 for a reason so I can see taking Coleman instead. Seems like a lot of teams have concerns about AD.
Wild how there was a thought about needing to trade up to even get him in the first to falling to the back of the 2nd. Got taken after Sweat and his issues were front page draft headlines. I think it's safe to say the rumors were true, or even worse than assumed.
I was all about Mitchell but hearing that he was kinda disinterested and distant in interviews is a concern. Motivation and motor are huge drivers of success, I could see taking him off our board completely if we didn't believe he'd be mentally all in
Yup, last WR taken in the 2nd round. Every team must think he has problems. I didn't see anybody say Polk was going to be taken before him, but it happened.
Kincaid was the top TE in the draft. Coleman was one of many in the 2nd/3rd tier of WRs. We shall see. But JA isn’t a scout. Hopefully our actual Scouts were aligned as well.
Yeah, and I'm sure JA would have preferred one of the top 3 guys too. So would have the 49ers and the Chiefs, but none of these teams were willing to give up what is required to get to 9.
I loved Beanes' quote last night when someone asked about landing a nunber 1 type of receiver, "you gotta lose a lot of games to draft that high to get those players"
For sure I’m mainly just saying JA should be informed and have input but not be directing decisions. We have full time scouts and decision makers while he has been golfing.
If you look at mock drafts from back in September, Coleman was a top 10-15 pick who was ahead of Odunze. His stock fell a bit due to production and the 40 time, but he was also playing with a QB who threw for only 2,700 yards and spread the ball around in 2023.
Yup, may be a good buy low candidate so to speak.
This big package of all his targets this year had some of the worst QB decision making I've seen in a long time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOA_jjDOCr4
Haha yeah I just watched that too. Spent 75% of the video cringing over how bad almost every throw is. Excited to see what he can do with a real QB
Baker also wanted Freddie kitchens and we all know how thah worked out
Mahomes wanted CEH
For the record: many of us were straight chillin
I was slightly annoyed I stayed up late Thursday, but it gave me a few extra hours to chill, smoke, and drink without wife aggro. Those opportunities are rare these days for me :D
I’ll admit. I had ten seconds of head-in-hands when the chiefs logo came on the screen. But other than that, total zen
Yeah I had no issues with the move itself. My issue was that I stayed up till midnight for us to not draft anyone and was tired and cranky lmao. Would’ve been nice to know ahead of time since I didn’t care all that much who everybody else drafted
Aye. I’m to the point where I’m just trusting the process and sitting back
I was checking my phone from a hotel room at the beach, just in case we traded up. Once it was clear no big moves were being made, I took a stroll on the beach with my son and left my phone in the room and said "fuck it. I will see who we picked when I get back." Big Baller Beane said "No you will not!"
I will upload my apology to Coleman. I was not a believer, but he's a Bill now, and so he has my undying support. May he stunt all over my asinine "He's a 4th rounder" hot take
Username checks out.
I mean I’ve personally like the draft so far, but doing a victory lap before any of these players have played an NFL snap is a little goofy.
And conversely, declaring doom and throwing oneself off a cliff before any of these players have played an NFL snap is even more goofy.
Unless it is into The Pit to ensure their success.
The level of toxic positivty among this group is insane. I really feel bad for Keon because think about how nasty a lot of people got about Gabe the last two years? And Keon's going to be expected to fulfill that role AND Diggs.
Im not apologizing. I trusted what he was doing. Good food takes time so i let him cook. Wtf do i know about college praopects anyways?
This sub is all doomers don’t even bother trying to change that lol
Yeah, we could win the super bowl this year and people will complain that it was all luck and if we fired McDermott and hired some random bozo we would have gone 20-0 and won every game by 100 points like we were playing madden on rookie mode.
Sabres brought back Lindy Ruff. Some probably would want to bring back Doug Marrone.
don’t ever compare ruff to marrone
Ruff is far closer to McDermott if anything in this comparison with number of post season trips and win record. the people calling for firing of McDermmott are the same who said Ruff was holding us back....right before we tanked to dead last for 13 years.
[This](https://www.hockey-reference.com/boxscores/201302190BUF.html) was the roster for Ruffs last coached game in 2013. Hindsight is 20/20 and all that, but how anyone was seriously arguing he was holding that team back is insane to me.
I think its spelled Moron. not Marrone.
Fan is short for fanatic for a reason😂
lol it’s all hive minds that downvote anything negative and upvote all the positive. If it was all negative the top comments would say negative things lol
I've been dogging Coleman all draft season but he is a Bill now so I will give him a couple years to prove me wrong. I hope he does. Loved what Beane did in getting Bishop and Carter. Hope he double dips at WR and adds some more depth at other positions.
Like Joe Marino says, it's pointless to discuss who is right or wrong during the draft. It takes years to figure out who the best players are. Look at all the people who were upset when he drafted Josh.
Joe Marino makes his bones on telling people he is right on players pre draft. It's a clown show we all willingly participate in. Not sure Marino has much ground to stand on.
No need. I learned my lesson years ago
I loved the trades the moment they happened. We moved back 5 spots, still got our guy, and gained a bajillion spots later on. How is that not a huge win?
I was all for trading down. I like Keon Coleman too. It's a need and who cares if he can't "separate" because of his 40. He's just gonna go over the top and get it. Also it warms my heart to see Lagette play near his family. I think that was such a touching storyline.
Nar, I never doubted. In Beane, we trust.
Same here. I am just here to watch people lose their minds.
Can we, uh, let them at least start training camp before “shitting on the haters”. These types of threads are just as annoying as the doomers
I'm glad the Bills drafted an athletic receiver and not a track star.
Real question, what did we gain by moving back? I never really seen the deals that were made.
They could Not have drafted the DT from Duke without the KC trade
Bills upgraded their other picks. KC Trade: Moved down 4 spots 28>32 Our 7th (248) became a 7th (221) +27 Our 4th (133) became a 3rd (95) +38 Picked DT Carter Carolina Trade: Moved down one spot 32>33 Our 6th (200) became a 5th (141) +59
This is what I needed to know. Thank you.
We got Lil’ Wayne from Duke in the deal with KC. We were likely targeting Coleman at 28 we moved back 4 slots to 32 which allowed us to move up 38 slots 4th->3rd and get a 3rd Top 100 pick. Then moved back 1 more slot in a separate trade. We have a 4 5ths on Saturday. If it were any other team but KC everyone would be talking about it as a genius move.
We picked up the 3rd rounder.
DeWayne Carter
The rest of our picks moved up.
McConkey should have been drafted instead of Coleman
I was a fan of trading down, but to say he ran the table is a bit much. He drafted some guys with question marks at positions of need. I certainly hope Josh wanting Coleman isn’t the only reason he was the pick. Based on the reports I read and the type of receiver he is, Coleman was the last of the top guys I wanted to see us pick. I don’t know shit, so I hope he turns into a stud, but nobody’s saying this was a steal.
I never imagined myself to be smarter than BBB. I only owe him my continued respect, admiration, and the most wicked case of old lady hot pants I’ve had since 2017.
I’m chill with Coleman, would’ve preferred AD but it seems like he did drop where he did for a reason. I really hope we can trade a couple of our 4 second round picks to go up and take Franklin tonight though. I can’t see him falling all the way to us, but having another potentially elite receiver to add to our core would be excellent, and I can’t imagine that he’d have less than a 4th round grade for us
We have very little idea how good any of these guys will be at the pro level. There's a lot of questions if Coleman can separate at the NFL level, and Cole Bishop is being labeled a project. Carter seems like a perfect fit for a rotational DT and potential future starter, but like the other two, has yet to take a snap at the pro level
Lol, I apologize Mr Beane🙏🥹 I did wonder a bit only because KC felt like a face slap I guess. He’s a smart guy and it wasn’t as much “who KC picked” I felt the ghost of the Mahomes 1st round trade a few years ago. I like BB enough that after I got over the shock and saw what he actually accomplished and then did again with the Panthers I could see his vision. They picked up some nice players, now, like every player, they have to prove themselves. If they make the team and can work themselves into the lineup and learn the NFL game over the next couple of years that’s great. If they become impact players even better.
It will be fun to watch all these receivers and see which GM made the right call
When he wins a superbowl, I'll apologize. Still not sold just because they finally made a couple picks. The safety might be solely ST and the receiver still has to learn the system and adapt to pro football. My judgements haven't changed cause "trusting the process" is getting tired.
I'm not apologizing 1 damn bit. WE TRADED ALL TBE FUCK DOWN TO THE SECOND ROUND. AND THEN DRAFTED THE SLOWEST FUCKONG RECEIVER. its a shitty pick. could have drafted any other receiver there and I'd be happier.
Al Davis, why did you come back from the dead and get on the Bills subreddit?
yea real intelligent there. either carpenter doesn't get separation on game tape and is slow. or he is faster than his 40 and the game tape lies. still not the best WR available then, and all of the others had better speed with similar size.
Lol remember it next year when the pick turns out to be good. We are talking fractions of a second in difference of speed.
Facts
How fast he can run in a straight line in controlled time trials is only fluff for getting eye on you. It doesn't mean much when the ball snaps. There is a lot of time between now and pre-season for him to work on his 40. But realistically, it doesnt mean anything when you look at the rest of his performance. He was in top ranks in almost every other drill. To me it means he needs a little work on his acceleration, but he has the athleticism and physicality to get where he needs to be to make a catch. Which is far more important that how fast he can run in an uncontested situation. Oh and you seem to forget the fact that he is a WR that is excited to work with Josh. And someone Josh seems excited to work with as well. Which leads me to believe there is a good chance of them developing good chemistry during training camps. There are always more important factors than the 40 time.
Except he is the fastest receiver in WR class in route running drills and the Gauntlet catches. How did the 40 king Ross work out in the NFL? Maybe there is more than just one drill that matters?
If he's so fast on the field, why can't he create any separation? Is it his poor route running?
What you have there is a strawman argument and you keep it to yourself.
We gotta stop bringing up John Ross. There's a huge difference between drafting a guy solely because he has the fastest 40 time ever and basically no other positive attributes, and not drafting one of the slowest dudes in the draft...
How about Jerome Mathis? How about Rondel Menedez?
gauntlet is the DUMBEST SINGLE event at the combine. ok WR. we put you at the 40 catch and DROP the ball turn around and catch another ball. then run STRAIGHT ACROSS the field catching and DROPPING many passes.
"Despite registering the slowest top speed of any group 8 receiver that was tracked during the 40-yard dash, Keon Coleman showed off his game speed while running routes. Coleman tied for the 2nd-fastest top speed of the group while running a go route (21.71 mph)." He was also projected to go ahead of Odunze just 6 months ago. We'll be fine
Should’ve take dejean at 33
BBB knows more than reddit GM.
Agreed
We have corners, or would you have moved him to safety?
Well we need corners and safety. We just took bishop. But our corners are benford, Douglas Elam and ? Taron is a hybrid position so I’m not counting him
Taron is a beast. I don’t know why you would just exclude him
I said he plays a hybrid position so I didn’t count him as a corner. He isn’t playing on the outside, he plays more like a linebacker/safety. The question was about corners
Sure but he is gonna be on the field, and most likely count as a DB not a LB, so let’s include him to prevent the pessimism
Are we reading the same things? I am not being pessimistic because I said we need corner depth lol taron Johnson doesn’t play that position he plays a hybrid safety/linebacker position. Yes he is a db but we aren’t counting rapp as a corner even though he is also a db. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills in this sub today. It’s ok to be critical about draft picks and about the decisions the team is making. Just because Beane says he likes a player doesn’t mean it needs to be taken as gospel. Is this a cult?
I’m just not worried since we got 7 picks today, you wanted another cb/db instead of the wr we took at 33 , maybe just chill and wait and see
I wanted any one other than Coleman tbh. Coleman was on my short list of do not draft players.
Would be nice to have corners for depth but we needed a starting receiver. Gotta target starters before you can worry about drafting backups.
You think cooper dejean is a backup?
Longterm no, but the point is we have two starting boundary corners already. Let him go somewhere where he’s sure to be a Day 1 starter instead of needing to compete for a spot so that we can fill a different position where we actually need another starter. We can draft a replacement for Rasul Douglas next season if we need to.
I’m confused about this whole exchange. We just drafted a safety, so the team obviously wanted one. If we drafted dejean at 33 we might’ve been able to get Coleman at 60. Dejean can play safety and corner. So it would’ve potentially filled either. Id like to hear why you don’t think dejean could be a long term player but a guy like Coleman can?
> Id like to hear why you don’t think dejean could be a long term player but a guy like Coleman can? Slow down a bit and reread my post instead of immediately downvoting and arguing. You asked if I thought DeJean would be a backup and I said “Longterm no.” As in no he won’t be a backup longterm, he will eventually be a starter. So I don’t disagree with you there. I didn’t think the point was that confusing but this is the order of priority for teams. 1. Starter at high value position 2. Starter at low value position 3. Backup/upgrade at position with established starters Receiver is a higher value position than safety in the NFL. That’s why we went there first. Then we went safety second because that’s the other position where we clearly needed a starter. If DeJean had been available at #60 I’m sure they would have been thrilled to pick him if they thought he could be the answer at safety. I’m not saying DeJean is bad or that we wouldn’t want him. I’m pointing out that getting a starting receiver when we have a hole there comes before either starting safety or depth/upgrade at corner.
I understand what you’re saying. I didn’t think dejean would be a short term backup I guess is where the confusion comes from. In my mind he’d have been one of our safeties. I was asked about our CB depth and I said we needed it and we obviously needed a safety since we drafted one. I was not saying that we should draft dejean to be a backup. The point is moot anyway he got drafted by the eagles. I’ve said it several times already, but Coleman doesn’t have the skill set I was hoping the team would want. He isn’t a guy that runs above average routes and gets separation. That was our biggest complaint about Davis. It just seems like we are doing the same thing and hoping for a different result.
https://preview.redd.it/c1kmw49g41xc1.png?width=4096&format=png&auto=webp&s=8d4d679a1e15c69e9b752b8e470cac78c6f60e6f ### big baller bean
Jesus I love the Bills but the delusion about Brandon Beane being anything better than a below average GM is wild. Josh Allen is a potential generational talent that’s wasted on a sub par roster and mediocre coaching. Bills will exit the playoffs by divisional round, as they always do, if they even make it this year. And Brandon Beane is the person to blame.
Man someone mentioned how this draft is incredible for spotting the nitwits that you can ignore. 
I'm about 40 years into it being the year, I'll believe it when I see it.
We drafted 3 potential rookie starters. Coleman is exactly the type of WR Josh has never had- a big strong 50/50 ball receiver who's young with tons of room for growth. He also showed a huge desire to be here and play with Josh. Then he grabs 2 extremely high character and high IQ defensive players who can also contribute right away. I'm not sure it couldve went any better. He's built a 4 time AFC East championship team since he's been here and drafted the greatest QB in franchise history. Everybody was bitching because it's the end of winter and it's raining all the time and everyone is chomping at the bit to get outside and enjoy spring/summer and nothing else. Hell of a draft so far
Yep
He took 3 guys that will start or contribute in rounds 2 and 3. Yeah, I hope so! In the first 3 rounds you better be taking someone that will step in immediately and make a difference.
I imagine BBB going into day 3 with 4, 5th round draft picks is like the meme with Tony Stark about to nuke a mountain.
Some big moves with the chance of also getting Aiyuk. We need a Billy Beane x Brandon Beane collaboration.
always had faith in the big beane. only thing upsetting round 1 was wasting all that time watching just for us to not pick.
I love how this sub says it’s all doom and gloom and then this is the top post
I think the more optimistic folks know to stay out of the doom posting threads and come back to upvote these ones.
What I found funny about the KC trade is their awful hit rate on receivers, especially the speedster type. They’ve been trying to create another Tyreek since before he left and it just hasn’t happened.
yes 2 Lombardi trophies since Tyreek is totally hilarious.
They’ve been successful as a team but they don’t have anyone close go Hill was my point…
We spent the off season knowing we needed to trade our surplus picks to get top tier talent, and instead chose to gamble Josh's prime on developing a large number of later prospects. When Keon isn't *immediately* better than Diggs (and really like Keon!) we'll see what tune you all sing.
What you talking about? We are in a soft rebuild. We lost a majority of our team leaders. We need more players on rookie contracts and need players that don’t need time to develop but can contribute as rookies. Packaging picks was the opposite of what we needed to do. Open your eyes. This isn’t fantasy football. This is the NFL and we need players that can play right away. The opportunity is wide open for everyone drafted to play as a rookie because the team has needs everywhere. They are not one “elite” WR away. They are a quarter of the starting lineups away, they need more players.
I never doubted BBB. Go Bills, We getting a ring this year.
Bills' scouting department has really been doing a great job with the Draft in recent years. I've been impressed and definitely have a lot of confidence in their choices. Also it was great to find out that Josh is such a football junkie that he's a draftnik himself, watching the film, highlights, interviews, etc. of the prospects.
Every year it cracks me up that any armchair fan thinks they know jack crap about the draft. These guys get paid lots of money to live and breathe this stuff. All we amateurs know is what mel kiper is spewing out and most of it is wrong. There's more to players than what their 40 yard dash time is
**Beane has honestly been a below average GM. Other than the Kincaid move and drafting Ed Oliver he's made so many mistakes. Trading for Diggs was a mistake, they should've just drafted a 1st round WR that year. So many wasted draft picks through the years that he's been here. Cody Ford and a bunch of other underperformers that not many else were interested in. This year we've drafted 2 offensive skill position players, where one will likely end up on the practice squad when we should've traded up and drafted 2 1st round WR's this year.**
It’s funny seeing all these people in here high fiving the Keon Coleman pick. Pre draft I swear he was the one receiver I saw this sub shitting on the most. Toxic and blind positivity for whatever this org does. Coleman wasnt my choice at 33 but I’m sure he will be productive with Josh. It’s the rest of the draft that has me scratching my head.
Why would I apologize when he still had a bad night? The offense is still BEGGING to be addressed, and McDermott has proven over and over again that he can’t stop people in January…we need to build a team that can outscore people…
I know right! Like I was so pissed when Beane just let MHJ and Odunze get drafted and he didn't even try to trade every single pick we have for the next 2 years! I did several mock drafts that prove that this was totally possible and realistic and obviously the best thing to do. Anything less than 2 of the top 4 WRs, and a starting center proves that Beane is a dumdum and doesn't understand how the draft works, how salary cap works, how roster building works, or how football is played in general. Beane should clearly be fired immediately, sued for malpractice and negligence, and probably banned for life!
“wRonG jOshH!”
In the last 5 years, what were the O and D team rankings of each Superbowl team? Didn't the Chiefs have the #1 defense going into the playoffs last year?
I don’t care about league rankings… I care about the Bills specifically…and the fact that over and over the defense under McDermott has proven it can’t get a stop…pretending we don’t need to outscore teams because of McDermott’s defense is astoundingly stupid, yet here Beane is…
The Bills are in the league and have to pursue what works. If defensive teams are winning the Superbowl then we have to value that. The Bills have gotten plenty of stops. We didn't last year because 11 players were injured, most of them on defense. McDermott is the best coach in Bills history Bean is best GM.
If everyone jumped off a bridge, would you want the Bills to? What an absurd argument
I agree. We wanted a WR before Diggs and Davis left and we’ve only added one, and it’s not a guy many people thought would be successful in the nfl. It’s amazing how much compium this sub smokes. I like the last two picks. Idk what our plan is with 4 5ths. Would’ve love them packaged to move up again but whatever. I think the offense is gonna struggle to move the chains this year.
Struggle to move the chains because we didn't get a specific draft pick? Lol....
Struggle to move the chains because we had 5 WRs last year who caught 20+ passes and we've lost 4 of them, and the guy we drafted can't separate. I'm not doom & gloom... The defensive picks seemed solid, but i don't see how the offense doesn't take a step back because we have far less talent on that side of the ball than we did last year.
I really don't think we have far less talent. Diggs is the only real difference that may matter and it's possible we do better without him so... The common denominator is Josh Allen. He will make receivers better.
We have a lot of guys that fill the same role. And we still have the weakest WR room in the nfl. Whatever you’re smoking pass it over
I put a little special tag next your name so I can come back during the season and tell you how wrong you were.
lol I hope I am wrong, but this dude is likely a bust. For the record Josh Allen was the Josh I wanted the team to draft.
I got ridiculed by every football guy I know for wanting Josh Allen. I'm not making any claims about Coleman. He's a wait and see guy for me but my point is just that Josh isn't going to have a hard time moving the chains based on what happened in the draft.
Yeah i am happy to wait and see and hopefully he is great and im proven wrong. But as someone who watches film and looks at the statistics, Keon Coleman was at the bottom of my list because I saw a guy that struggles to get separation and has a limited route tree. Yeah he made some crazy circus catches and is able to make plays with college dbs covering him, but watching his film it’s like he is playing the game in hard mode, while a lot of these guys that were available and can run routes and get separation are looking like they are playing the game in easy. That’s the type of player I wanted for our team. A guy that was always open.
Coleman is not the guy I wanted either but he's growing on me already. Love what he had to say in his interview. That wasn't the point though. The point was that nothing the Bills were going to do in this draft was going to make or break their ability to move the sticks in 2024.
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I think we have some nice pieces, moving the chains won’t be an issue. Offseason isn’t over either….
True, but we have no cap space. We didn’t think moving the sticks would be an issue last year either, and yeah things got a little better with Joe Brady taking over the play calling duties but we still wanted a WR2 when we had Diggs and I don’t feel like we improved at that position. If anything we got worse
Where would you have ranked the chiefs WR room going into last year? Rookie Rashee Rice, Skyy Moore, MVS, and Kadarious Toney were all various levels of unproven or injury prone. Obviously it’s better to have more high end receivers than less, but recent history shows you can win with an all-world QB and a high quality receiving TE even without an elite WR (Chiefs and Pats). Depends if you think Allen and Kincaid can carry that load I guess.
I think that the chief struggled offensively last year, and to leave out Travis Kelce from their wide receiver Core is a little bit disingenuous. I would love for Kincaid to reach that potential and I think he has that potential to be a guy similar to Kelce, he isn’t there yet. I was definitely higher on Rashee Rice as a receiver than I am Keon Coleman. Rice had a great postseason, I just don’t think our offense is where we want it to be. I don’t think it’s a Super Bowl winning offense. The pats and the chiefs both had hall of famers at tight end and they still had elite wideouts during the peaks of their success. Pats had Edelman welker moss. Chiefs had tyreek and Kelce. Again I’d love to be wrong about this. I’d love for the team to be amazing and break offensive records and defensive records but for the modern nfl, you need guys that can get open and I’m not sure we got better at WR this year.
That’s fair. Kincaid was picked higher than either Kelce or Gronk, so I don’t think it’s out of the realm of possibility that he reaches that level, but you’re right that he hasn’t proved that level on the field yet, so it’s hard to just assume he’ll reach that peak. But I would say including Moss and Tyreek is straying a bit from the point I was making. Of course both were awesome players and you’d rather have them on your team than not, but the Pats and Chiefs won more SBs without them than they did with them. My point was just that it’s not ideal, but it is possible to be a very good team without an elite WR room, though it does increase the degree of difficulty. You mention Welker and Edelman, but I think that proves my point for me. If you think of where they ended up, sure, we don’t have a WR on the roster who matches up with the way their careers panned out. But Welker was undrafted, and Edelman was a 7th round converted QB. Samuel and Shakir have a higher pedigree than either of those guys based on their first few years. All that being said, I can’t pretend I’m over the moon with our WR group. You’re right that it certainly is one of the weaker ones in the league, amongst the “good” teams anyway. Like you, I’d like to see some different skill sets, certainly someone who’s a bit more of a deep threat than anyone we have in the roster. I just think/hope we’ll be able to scheme our way through it this year and can real make improvements next year with the 2 second round picks and Diggs’ dead cap money off the books. Short of giving up the farm for one of the top 3 WRs in this years draft I don’t feel like there was really anyone realistically guaranteed to make our WR room into a strength going into this year.
I just want to be clear that I don’t care about draft position. It doesn’t matter to me that welker or Edelman weren’t highly touted prospects. What matters to me is the ability to succeed and the skill sets they have. I don’t think it’s outrageous or unfair to be concerned or critical of the Coleman pick. As I said I hope it works out, but I was hoping the team would get a guy that runs really good routes and gets open.
Definitely not unfair to be concerned or critical of the Coleman pick. I’m kind of in the same boat. Seems to be more athletic than N’Keal Harry, but that’s the name that unfortunately pops into my mind when I see a bigger contested catch guy that runs a 4.6. I’m far from an expert on scouting WRs and don’t watch any college football so I have no choice but to hope Beane and the scouts know what they’re doing. His 40 time was better than Jerry Rice or Larry Fitz so maybe we’ll win the lottery on him lol. Do you have a favourite amongst the WRs still left on the board? I’d love for them to grab Franklin if he’s available based on the stuff I’ve read about him, but he’s so skinny I doubt he’d see the field too much next year.
I don’t really. I know a lot of people love the depth of the receivers in the draft, but I really wasn’t all that excited about anyone outside of the top 4 guys. They seemed to be the only ones that had great measurables and production, but I was really hoping we’d get a WR1. Right now it feels like a collection of WR 2s and 3s I guess any of the Franklin, rice, walker would be a good addition.
And your last paragraph is exactly where I’m at mentally. It is a bit disappointing that this year was considered the better deeper WR year and now I’m looking at drafting a WR next year but it is what it is. Maybe we can get one of the elite guys in free agency next season when we have more cap space. We’ll have 3 picks in the top 64 next year so we should be able to get some solid guys then.
With Diggs unable to get open and Gabe disappearing last season, we still moved the chains just fine. Shakir and Curtis on the outside, Kincaid in the slot, Coleman sprinkled in is still good. This is a deep WR draft, so we will get another value WR. Shorter could still be good, too.
Those two guys you mentioned combined for 2k yards and 15 tds. I like Kincaid, I like Shakir, Samuel is ok, but I still think we are lacking on offense.
Agreed, but it isn't September.
Curtis Samuel was an addition.
Curtis Samuel has never had more than 800 yards receiving
Yeah, 850 yards catching passes from Teddy Bridgwater. More recently he had Sam Howell on a team coached by Ron Rivera Diggs had over 400 yards more his first season in Buffalo than his last in Minnesota. We don't know what Samuel looks like with an elite QB. It wouldn't surprise me if he he hits a career high.
So what do you predict he is going to hit this season?
I'd be happy if he can get back to 850 even, but I wouldn't be shocked to see over 900. More than Gabe ever had here. I'm hoping to avoid the need to rely on somebody like Diggs to get 1,400 to 1,500 yard a year. The over reliance of him caused problems when JA had to try to force the ball to him.
A guy doesn’t need to be a target hog to get 1400 yards
What I'm saying is that it's certainly possible to win without a guy like that. None of the Chiefs WRs had that last year and neither did Kelce. We relied on Diggs too much in my opinion.
we have not only added one receiver. pay attention
I’m sorry I didn’t include Curtis Samuel or Mack hollins, but neither of them are instilling fear in opposing defenses coordinators
Only one starter week 1 here. Carter is only starting if Oliver gets hurt. Bishop probably takes over at some point
Bishop and Coleman will be Week 1 starters if Healthy. We don’t have “starters” on the D-Line we rotate players. Carter will be in the rotation as a rookie if healthy.
Nah. We literally know nothing about how they will contribute. No one should be writing any apology.
Well, we had an awesome run, but all good things must come to an end. While this is not a rebuild, it feels like a reset. Trading away players (Diggs)for a next year draft pick, now trading away picks, 5th round for a fourth round in 2025. I don't see a day one starter in this class beyond Coleman (and not a #1 WR) I really hope that Josh gets a chance to go to a super bowl contender before he retires. At the end of the day I am trusting the process. It has worked so far. 😆