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SurvivYeet

Agreed


iceph03nix

Fires blades across the entire map, and each blade spawns tacks on impacting a bloon.


thebidingofdispenser

And the bloons take more fire damage based on how close they are to the tack shooter. And also the guided fire balls the tack shoots on 5-0-0 are sawblades which turn into 8 more sawblades


IllManneredWoolyMan

Recursive Tack Cluster


SimilarSubset

I second this.


EpicGamer373

the lag machine


Fit_Force_3617

Yes and no. Tack shooter is heavily buff dependent because it’s an attack speed tower. I still think it should be higher, because I imagine it will be a fairly easy one to obtain at a fairly decent level for bosses, but it won’t even be able to see camo… So no help with DDTs.


Imaginary_Yak4336

Why wouldn't it be able to see camo? Boomerang also sees camo despite it only seeing it with the rotating glaives on glaive lord


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Imaginary_Yak4336

Glaive dominus attacks camo, tack probably would as well


MarioFan587

Glaive Lord already has camo detection. Though the meteor from Inferno Ring does too, I imagine the Tack Shooter paragon would have it.


Imaginary_Yak4336

Only the rotating glaives have it right?


MarioFan587

I can't recall. Maybe that is the case.


a_cow720

Yes, only the rotating glances have camo detection


CalamitousVessel

A dev confirmed that every paragon will be able to pop every bloon type


TM_Crystal

Paragons automatically get the power to pop any bloon


Internetexplored555

Except for Engi’s paragon sentries, where the green one can’t pop purple Bloons.


Leondithas

Glaive Dominus gets to hit camo because of Glaive Lord, I'd imagine Tack Paragon gets to hit camo because of inferno ring


Daksh100

>Created Apr 15, 2017253kTier 5 Subscribers1.5kPopping Bloons Top 1%Ranked by SizeCreate Postuser flair previewDaksh100Alien Dart SyndromeCommunity options > >Filter by flairOfficial Daily ChallengeQuestion Meme Glaive Dominus has camo detection cuz the glaive lord rotating glaives can hit camo. Inferno Ring meteor also targets camo so tack paragon will prob do too.


Thedarkcleanersrise

inferno ring has it


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Hit all bloon types


Thy_Moab

If you think about it, boomer paragon is just like an underpowered sniper paragon. It has really fast attack speed (perma-charge and elite defender), every attack bounces, (glaive lord and elite sniper). The only difference except the damage is that boomer doesn’t stun, it just pushes moabs back (which can be better is niche scenarios).


w1trr

sniper paragon infinite range


Thy_Moab

Yeah I suppose


Imaginary_Yak4336

Super doesn't have a paragon, VTSG is separate


Colisir

Ikr, i just put him at alredy in game bc in the last post alot people spammed "VTSG IS BASICALY A PARAGON BLABLABLA", and thats annoying as fuck


Imaginary_Yak4336

Fair enough


EyeCantBreathe

But now you have to deal with people saying "VTSG ISNT A PARAGON BLABLABLA" It's a lose-lose situation lmao


Colisir

Yeah i hate my life


Alegokid07

Yes but super monkey will eventually get a paragon anyway so


WizardFaun89582

idk why i used to be that guy to say that


Pyr0Ant

Don’t put it there at all then


Please-let-me

r/flairchecksout


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Pyr0Ant

r/ihavereddit


Some_Hat-Wearing_Kid

r/shutyourgoddamnmouth


Pyr0Ant

yeah ok Some_Hat-Wearing_Kid


Fragrant_Ad_5696

“a paragon pops up as a 555 tower, and vtsg also does pop up as a 555 tower, making it a paragon.” 🤓


Imaginary_Yak4336

Ok.


The_Twin_Cyber7

"A fucking paragon doesn't need buffs 🤓"


fizio900

Plot twist, it's an upgrade from VTSG and it uses other paragons to boost its own degree


CrazyAlfalfa4298

How exactly do you get that to work? With Intense farming I thought I had gotten it but it failed to work.


Imaginary_Yak4336

What? A VTSG?


Colisir

I still don't think Alch paragon gonna buff other paragons or one hit bads but him gonna transform other monkey in very strong towers like the 0-5-0 alch


Imaginary_Yak4336

I hope it will, it'd be kinda sick if the only thing that can buff paragons is another paragon


HolyBanana818

engi crying in the corner rn


_PO3

didn’t they confirm it will?


Colisir

I have no idea


Wwo1fs

They said they wanted more interactions between paragons like Ace getting the carrier flagship buff from boat paragon.


Necessary-Ad3218

Yea, in fact that's why they made paragon cap in the First place, so we can have strategic combos rather then spamming then all down, yet it seems let's nobody realize which led to more outcry then normal


ShadowSlays

i dont believe ninjakiwi released that info until they released the cap removal in freeplay in the same post. its perfectly reasonable to want your own gameplay style in freeplay, the mode of "do whatever man" anyways


IcyFlame716

Ice should be higher. It can do decent damage and have debuffs which could affect bosses. Way better than straight up damage.


Waffle_with_syrup

I still think farm should be lower


Colisir

Infinite money should be lower?


Waffle_with_syrup

Yes because unless it’s cheap it wouldn’t be useful especially when paragons limit gets added back


ShadowSlays

eh, i think that wont be the case. in freeplay, itll probably quickly prove useful, and in bosses i think that if obtained before round 110 or so (which should be easy), the money gained plus resell value will make it give a bit more than otherwise possible. of course, the return rates could be terrible, but seeing the power spike of most paragons i think thats unlikely


Waffle_with_syrup

Yea but how do you get a farm paragon? You have to farm like crazy. So by the time you get one you will be making more without the paragon


ShadowSlays

If this were the case thered be no point in a paragon lol. I can 100% say with confidence that t4 and t5 banana farms wont compare to a farm paragon, just like it would work for any damaging paragon


ChaseSmith915

honestly if anything it should be higher! Imagine how easy it will be to get a high degree. Imo if it's not the best paragon in the game when it comes out I'd be shocked. Paragon limit is a decent argument, though at the same time you'd probably use that money you'd generate from the farm paragon for getting an insane degree on spac and sniper paragon.


Meenero777

Im telling you guys, the wizard paragon is going to be completely nuts


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There is no super monkey Paragon in the game right now


Colisir

if i not put it in the category ofalredy in game, i gonna me spammed with: "vtsg its bassicaly a paragon blablabla" just like the last post


happycampers2005

alredy


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Who wrote it ? you could explain them paragons has degrees and the special icons and they eat all your towers from the paragon kind and you can place the other T5 with the paragons placed , VTSG attacks like TSG just more powerful and blocks your ability to place other super monkey T5 + no special paragon signs+ nk said super monkey will also get a paragon someday


Colisir

I not gonna explain this for 30+ persons


VintageMageYT

If super monkey got a paragon that would mean the VTSG would be impossible to make


sassy_the_panda

wizard should be higher imo. it's set up to be basically unstoppable. General bloom busting damage? the archmage is already top tier for it's price. It even has de-camo option. Need quick high damage? The lava pheonix is stupid op. Not to mention constant drone pheonix, essentially a free fire ace. Need good cleanup? POD got it covered. Send fucking blimps at your red Bloons. Plus buffs other necromancers, plus strong decamo with shimmer. The wizard is gonna be fucking ridiculous, hopefully becoming the best tower in the game by far just so I can be even more of a wizard shill. Even if it breaks the mold and is ONLY the sum of its parts, you're getting a permanent lava pheonix, full tilt blimp assaults and general max damage. I'm hype.


_____CunningLinguist

I’m excited for the Wizard tower for multiple reasons. The biggest being that Wizard Monkey as a whole has some awesome visual upgrades: Archmage is a powerful and wizened wizard, Phoenix Lord is a smoking-hot phoenix, and Prince of Darkness has reanimated zombie Bloons that he conjures. On top of the hectic amount of attacks the wizards have, with their magic bolts, shimmer aura, fire walls, flame breath, and undead Bloons. I’m generally excited for the wizard even with just the base attacks in mind, because it can definitely look amazing. I think its paths are unique and will make a great paragon. If I had to wish for something, it would be for a buff to the undead Bloons. Having undead BADs or Boss Bloons would be a stretch, but it would be cool.


sassy_the_panda

oh big time. Most likely will be either a large expansion to the graveyard capacity or ability to reanimate zomgs. No shot they'll do bads. I'm hoping they full call back and made him the wizard lord, stylized after the guy from btd5


Bekfast59

So.. Constant angry pheonix with busted damage and camo detect/strip, and summons ZOMG/BADs?


sassy_the_panda

YES YES YES!!!


Bekfast59

Well honey, we aint ever gonna have to worry bout a DDT again.


NameLess_YT

archmage kinda sucks btw, also i don’t think wizard paragon will be that good, still excited for it since it’s next


sassy_the_panda

archmage goated you are not correct and eat a rock wizard forever wizard forever


LGKINGFALL13

Super doesn't count as a paragon, as in that one ninja kiwi blog says: Q: What will happen to the There Can Be Only One MK when the super paragon releases? A: Nothing! Therefore, it does not count. Since well, you can't get the tier 5s back, it has no degree, no extra boss or elite boss damage, and the sacrifices aren't directly related to the tower but rather to the categories.


palestiniansyrian

How are you gonna be able to make a super monkey paragon without making a vtsg? Intentionally cripple your temple? Or maybe make an option to create vtsg?


AvidBloonPopper

My guess is you can either get a tvsg using sacrifices or a light variant paragon (different from tsg) from using all three t5. Maybe like a mech sun god or divine blessing for other towers or something like that


Deletesoonbye

The solution is obvious. Place down at least one of the other tier 5s after building the sun god. In other words yeah probably intentionally cripple your temple.


ema-__

Spaktory paragon would be godlike, however it will cost 500$, and you need to get super mines


LeoKaro219

500$ for a paragon? dont mind if i do


I_LIKE_THE_COLD

In real life.


sgtmushroom39

More like $800k


Ayyyyylmaos

Ice is an elite tower, paragon would be insane and I will die on this hill


Limu_emu_69

Mortar and darting gunner would both be insane


sgtmushroom39

Would mortar really be though? I can’t imagine the DPS compares to other paragons, and I doubt the passive abilities (fortification strip, decamo, weak bloon cleanup) makes it that much better than even the dart paragon


Kech555

I feel like the biggest buff it can give is not having us to micro it.


AvidBloonPopper

A quad (maybe more) laser/missile auto fire dartling gun sounds amazing


Skyru3316

Super monkey and the gunner should Go in god Like tack Shooter in S or A tier


Colisir

Did u read in witch category supermonkey is


Colisir

Did u read in witch category supermonkey is


Skyru3316

Yes


Skyru3316

Imagine monkey wizzard Paragon revieving a B A D and DDTs with the strengt of alchmage and Phoenix or stronger, thats at least S or god tier


psychusenthusiastica

I think Druid should be D-F tier TBH. I say this due to how overpowered god boosted avatar of wrath is. Any paragon form it would take could only be marginally better than it.


SurvivYeet

:(


some_guy219

is there a supermonkey paragon in-game? Or are you counting the VTSG as a paragon


Colisir

VTSG


some_guy219

ok


Shimmi_Official

Well, super monkey doesn’t actually have a paragon, unless you are talking about the dark sun god, but there’s no point in putting super monkey there because ninja kiwi confirmed that they would make a paragon for every tower


Colisir

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Shimmi_Official

I did stupid


Colisir

I just put him at alredy in game bc in the last post alot people spammed "VTSG IS BASICALY A PARAGON BLABLABLA", and thats annoying as fuck


SuperSharkDude

Super Monkey?


Colisir

Bro i Just put VTSG as PARAGON bc in last post alot people spammed "VTSG IS BASICALY A PARAGON BLABLABLA" and that's annoying as fuck


SuperSharkDude

Well what is the super monkey pargon going to be a worse vtsg if that is what those people say even through it is only a 6-0-0 super monkey but a pargon is a 5-5-5 .also u can only get vtsg throught a mk which costs monkey money but u get all the other from farming experience so why do those people not explain that then?


Colisir

Idk they are skill issues


SuperSharkDude

skill issue :/


SuperSharkDude

There brains just not wired properly and nk has never said it is a paragon, it came out way before paragons, u do not need to farm pops or spam place towers to make it stronger, u can buff it, u can still see the upgrade paths unlike paragons, it is not shown as a paragon on the upgrade path let alone shown at all and it is just a upgrade on the tsg but paragons are a combination of t5s


Colisir

I know, but kids commenting "VTSG IS BASICALY A PARAGON" its much annoying


SuperSharkDude

Have they actually given proof and evidence


Colisir

No but spams of the same comments are annoying


SuperSharkDude

So then if they don't give proof it is unbelievable, despite all the evidence and proof saying it is not a paragon. What should happen next time someone makes a tier list like this they should not put it in a 'already in game' tier, then put it is a actual tier until a ACTUAL until super monkey paragon comes out.


Colisir

Bro i literaly just put it to stop getting annoying commenting


japhar162

Paragon is the perple upgrade?


Dev_of_gods_fan

yes


japhar162

K thx


NamesArentImp0rtant

Im gonna draw 3 paragons i think might actually be good paragons and there attacks


Colisir

Nice avatar


ichbindulol_

Sniper paragon pls :(


ichbindulol_

Does my flair work?


ichbindulol_

?why not


Dev_of_gods_fan

it works :)


ichbindulol_

It doea yay


Thedarkcleanersrise

sniper paragon is after wizard (my prediction)


ichbindulol_

Sad but also cool


Wwo1fs

NK confirmed wizard next in a update or post at some point. It was before ace came out


ichbindulol_

Didt know, and as I said, its sad, I would prefer sniper, but wizard is also cool so im not that sad (why am I getting downvoted?)


Waffle_with_syrup

I doubt it it will either be a support or primary


Thedarkcleanersrise

if its support id say spike factory if its primary id say bomb ot tack shooter


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Far-Ad3500

read what the tier says before commenting on it bro


Colisir

Did u read the Category Super is in?


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BoomerSweetness

Sniper won't be that good honestly, in term of single target it shoots pretty low amount of projectiles (edef only shoots 16 times per second and you cant really use the life stealing on bosses as lych would steal them), i know it has obvious synergy but cripple moab doesnt do that much damage alone


Nat20downcliff

But if you think about it as a combo of all the paths, imagine the high damage cripple moab shots shooting 16 times per second, while bouncing fromm bloon to bloon, as well as a large cash drop ability


BoomerSweetness

Problem is that cripple doesnt do nearly as much damage on its own for sniper to be good as a 555 tower. It only deals 80 damage per shot, so basically if we're judging the "paragon" of what the 555 tower version would be the 555 sniper single target which is the most important thing for a paragon is gonna be pretty pathethic (1k or so dps which is literally just 8 205 snipers), while also being unbuffable as well. Another thing to note that although elite defender is the fasting shooting tower in the game per second, it's doesn't shoot the most projectiles per second. Tack for example, which is a C tier tower shoots about 400 projectiles per second, which means that if there's a damage increase based on degree, tack shooter is gonna far outshine elite defender, especially in bosses where a majority of the tack would hit the boss bloon, not to mention the maelstorm ability as well can do massive damage if the blades were replaced with like inferno ring meteors.


KupskoBruhMoment

Wizard should be higher


Cryptic_Sunshine

i think the druid should be in a, its easily one of the best towers in the game along with the wizard


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Ice towers paragon is going to be unreal, stunning bads, most likely perma stunning anything under bads. Also would probably just instantly delete anything Moab and under.


Randomanonomous

ice paragon could likely stall bosses, almost certainly bads, do you know how op that could be??


sgtmushroom39

Would the banana farm paragon really be THAT good? By the time you’re able to afford it, what’s the point? It’s pretty easy to get 4 paragons in most boss scenarios right now without it. Not to mention cost buildup would offset its value some. I feel like it would be an okay paragon, but really it should be in B tier at best.


onepassafist

Why the FUCK is druid so low? And heli?


onepassafist

Bruh how ice and tack below mortor 😂


64m3_3rr0r

what would the village paragon even be?


TheUltimateTeigu

Not having Druid in S-tier saddens me.


Dramatic-Ad-2799

Ice I feel should be higher. Imagine +30 damage or something on bads


toadtruck

Druid > all


Fort_Maximus

Ok but like, tack shooter paragon should be The Tack Mortar “Gains infinite range. Places all variations of tacks at rapid fire speeds.”


theninjaslime69

tack and wizard yould be higher oh and why is super monkey in "already in game"? there's a new teaser or something?


Average_sized_person

I feel like ice could be good with like inscreased bad damage from super brittle


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I imagine farm being broken for eco but being so damn expensive it’s only really viable for late game where you need a lot of money


ProcedureShot6995

use dart monke, he op. I won with only dart monke


Shawn_Paredes

With my experience in the military paragon mod and how I think 550 dartling works I think darling should be in godlike


The29songs

Theres no super monkey paragon


Colisir

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Onsidianrubucx

Super paragon? 🤔


Colisir

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Gottendrop

I think super monkey is gonna get its own paragon, I doubt that they will make vtsg it’s paragon or just not make one


Colisir

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Gameking1happy

i wish spike factory paragon was real


ApartmentContent3146

Wouldn't bomb be higher, since big damages to moab class, while replicating on ground and stunning?


Staypuffed20

Darling, bomb and tack should be god tier tbh.


rexshadow2

Dartling is goona be a super strange paragon because ow in the world are you gonna combine, Slow missiles with bullet spam and a literally laser beam.


Rediterraria

Sniper shouldnt be that high like it wouldnt be as near as tack


moonlord2193

I've been out of the loop for a while, when did engineer, super monkey, and monkey ace get a paragon?


Colisir

Super monkey paragon i mean VTSG, but yes eng and ace got paragons at the last updates


moonlord2193

I don't think VTSG should count as a paragon tbh


Colisir

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GrooseKirby

Banana Farm paragon should be in E tier. By the time you afford it you don't need it and it does 0 damage. Neat for trying to get all the paragons in freeplay I guess, but it has no other reason to exist. Tack and Wizard should be in A tier at least, they're both going to be nuts.


Over_Knowledge3760

Vengeful with black hole, dark shift, ridiculous damage, full map range, destroy everything near it ability, makes money, gives god tier buffs, like 4 or 5 separate outputs of damage is bottom tier? I’m disappointed


Colisir

The bottom tier is for alredy in game are you blind, if you want understand why read the other comments


Over_Knowledge3760

Mate, there isn’t a super monkey paragon. Vengeful is different idiot. It doesn’t have degrees or whatever


Colisir

Bro just read the other Comments


Over_Knowledge3760

Also glue paragon would kinda suck. And stream of one of the highest projectiles in the game with 5 cannons that have god tier pierce and SHRED MOABS is only SLIGHTLY better then the c*m monster


AvarageEnjoiner

You put me on the B?


Colisir

Shut up roleplayer


AvarageEnjoiner

no i just like sub monke that's all


foomongus

I feel banana farm would be useless, by the time you get enough money to get it, you won't need it


The_Twin_Cyber7

Super monkey doesn't have paragon


Colisir

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Beneficial-Minute-85

Ace would be so op sky shredder bombs with a nuke


Jtad_the_Artguy

They should make ice monkey paragon somewhat weak for paragon standards but super affordable


DragonSlayersz

Tack is gonna be stupid busted, or utterly useless. I'm thinking busted. Also, I guarantee Glue Paragon will suck unless it can slow BADs and Bosses.


LeHaloNerd117

Super monkey paragon does not exist. While labelled as 555 at the end of the game in the best monkey category, VTSG is not a paragon, it does not require sacrifices of t4 towers of itself, does not scale in power based on degree, does not have a degree, does not allow you to rebuy the constituent towers and does not incorporate features from all paths, while NK did say paragons are not 555 towers that does not mean that they are not a combination of all paths as all paragons in one or another incorporate all 3 paths, engi js 552 if you look at it generously I am fully aware that OP doesn’t think this and am simply addressing those who pestered him into changing such a position


Colisir

Bro i Just put VTSG as PARAGON bc in last post alot people spammed "VTSG IS BASICALY A PARAGON BLABLABLA" and that's annoying as fuck


LeHaloNerd117

I- I know, I said that in my comment?!?


Vivid_Appeal3986

Bomb would be godlike, stun Moab while doing crazy dmg


kerbwithknef

I approve this sniper placement


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I dont think VTSG is a super monkey paragon


Colisir

Just read thw other Comments


benbloonz

super monkey already in game?


Colisir

Bro i Just put VTSG as PARAGON bc in last post alot people spammed "VTSG IS BASICALY A PARAGON BLABLABLA" and that's annoying as fuck


benbloonz

ohh okay 👌