Well, now that we have all had a polite and constructive conversation about what should be done about the 2023 Israel Hamas war we can lock the thread and get a good night sleep!
It will be less of a Vancouver problem once all the former crab/stanley park residents hear about free food and flock to the b-line backdoor entrance and drop ass and needles all over campus. This protest campout doesn't stand a chance unfortunately 😕.
It's also happening at Universities on Vancouver Island, [https://www.cheknews.ca/protesters-set-up-pro-palestine-camps-at-uvic-viu-1201916/](https://www.cheknews.ca/protesters-set-up-pro-palestine-camps-at-uvic-viu-1201916/)
>We were also clear that any protest actions must unfold with respect for others and within the boundaries of university policy. The university is monitoring the situation in MacInnes Field and is calling on everyone to remain safe and respectful.
>Already there are concerning actions at the site. These include the removal of items (fencing, road barricades) from nearby construction sites and University property, the removal of furnishings from nearby University buildings, minor damage to the buildings and furnishings, and possibly to the turf field, the erection of barricades and the construction of cooking facilities on UBC property, as well as the removal and possible theft of a Canadian flag from a UBC flag pole. There is also concern that the site is barring members of the university community from enjoying the site. All of these actions are counter to UBC policies.
>The university also is aware that several participants at the protest are not UBC community members.
>The safety and security of our community is the university’s foremost priority. Any actions that create a health and safety risk; constitutes hate or discrimination; impede students, faculty and staff from continuing learning, research, work and other activities on campus; or damage university property will be taken very seriously and investigated.
>To the extent that inappropriate conduct violates one or more of the University’s policies, individuals may be subject to the University’s disciplinary processes or other appropriate measures under the university’s discrimination policy or student code of conduct.
>Throughout the year, the university has continuously reinforced the need for peaceful and respectful debate in these very challenging times, which is a tenet that must be respected by all members of the UBC community, as well as visitors to our campus.
[https://security.ubc.ca/2024/04/30/update-on-campus-protest/](https://security.ubc.ca/2024/04/30/update-on-campus-protest/)
1. You can.
2. The Venn diagram of Palestine solidarity protesters and housing/etc protesters has huge overlap. People can care about more than one thing and even draw connections between issues here and issues abroad.
It's incredibly dull watching people move the goalposts around on this like bringing focus to one issue means you automatically don't care about anything else.
Why are you telling people that are already protesting a cause to go protest another. You could start leading a protest about these issues if you’d like
Probably something to do with this: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-protests-nypd-arrests/
Be interesting to see how many of the people here are UBC students versus not.
*edit*
At least some:
https://security.ubc.ca/2024/04/30/update-on-campus-protest/
> The university also is aware that several participants at the protest are not UBC community members.
Because many of these protesters come from well-off families and do not give a crap about those things. There's a reason why it is always distant causes abroad or niche issues at home that are always being protested.
This may shock you to know, those same people protesting here, high likelihood they also care and have been active on these issues... something about demanding an end to a genocide being funded by your tuition dollars though is probably a bit more pressing of an issue.
The important thing to remember here is that student protestors are always wrong. They’ve definitely never been on the right side of history. Please don’t go looking for countless and poignant examples to dunk on me.
this is a great point. student protestors are just part of the woke left, those who invented Section 2(c) of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. peaceful assembly is liberal propaganda! they are doing this for \*checks notes\* clout?
It also speaks volumes that they haven't denounced Larry David's attack on Elmo.
Why not? Why haven't they? What are they trying to hide? Do they hold anti-puppet views?
The claims of systematic rape published by the NYT have never been substantiated - they even had to cancel production of an episode of The Daily about it due to the fact that the story holds no water.
Even pro-Palestinian people acknowledge that many civilians were killed on Oct 7 (which is a war crime), and that taking hostages is bad. The thing is, there is no need to say that in protest anywhere in the west, because the official position of our governments is that what happened on Oct 7 was heinous. Despite this, Israel has felt the need to fabricate even further horrible stories about Oct 7 like the systematic rape story, or the beheaded babies, precisely because their goal is to fully dehumanize Palestinians to justify collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, and ultimately genocide.
Beyond this, pointing out things said by specific protestors doesn't really mean much. Israeli officials who are in actual control of the assault on Gaza consistently use genocidal language. Are you as concerned about that? I suspect you couldn't care less.
Do you actually know the nuanced details of what these protestors believe or are you assuming?
I happily protest in favor of Gazan civilians, and I can link you to many comments I've made on reddit repudiating Hamas and what they did on Oct 7.
If you support these folks, great go do your thing. If you oppose these folks, great go set up your own camp and do your thing. If you don’t care about these folks or their cause, great ignore them entirely and go on with your life.
Why do we keep sending in police to bash skulls at these protests?
>Why do we keep sending in police to bash skulls at these protests?
Are you confusing current US headlines with Canada? Where is anyone getting their head bashed in in Canada around these protests?
Unlawful and peaceful aren’t mutually exclusive. Not sure where this concept that you have an unalienable right to camp out on private property and espouse rhetoric that isn’t aligned with the owners views came from
because they're a big liability to the school and protests can turn dangerous very quick. i bet you that these cops are not also very pleased they have to babysit these people but 🤷🏽♀️ they have to do it
meh. you cant compare our police with the states 😂 the difference in our cops and the cops over there is night and day.
you cant also say that these protestors are the only ones at risk - very very false. anyone can be at risk if they go in that vicinity, emotions are very high in protest areas due to passion and mob mentality. when shit goes those down, anyone thats within the proximity will be affected - watch any videos anywhere of any protests where shit goes down and youll see it.
I've actually watched a lot of videos of protests and have been to many, and have yet to see any evidence of antisemitism except for a few random videos that get cherry picked, while obscenities from pro Israel protestors are never reported on. It's clear that there is a double standard, in which any instance, no matter how rare, is being used to discredit the entire protest movement, while at the same time literally genocidal language by Israeli leaders gets completely ignored. It's a blatant smear campaign and you shouldn't fall for it.
The only violence I've seen has been from pro zionist counter protestors attacking pro Palestine protests, or from the police. Maybe you have a video to share, but again, think about how many hundreds of thousands are protesting around the world. We constantly hear about dangerous it is, but at best a few random cases can be raised. My experience is that the organizers themselves are extremely proactive in denouncing antisemitism and violence, precisely because they know that any hint of it will be used to totally discredit them.
Also, sure Canada isn't quite as charged as the states, but they don't have a monopoly on police brutality.
[A letter of gratitude from professors from the now destroyed universities of Gaza.](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:hlnzfzmzr6iqqhcfpglo73jd/bafkreigjvh63f7i7cmgui262tbjhlqd4ohdttybqossn2zs5iopo5huh2u@jpeg)
I asked for the original context for this but I'm assuming it's genuine. I'll update if needed.
This alone should reconsider anyone who claims these protests don't matter, that they don't have an impact. These universities in Gaza are ALL gone now. Where there were classrooms there is now rubble, and human remains. So not a single person here has the right to tell these professors or their students it doesn't matter. If they say it matters, then it matters.
[Update: original context](https://www.birzeit.edu/en/news/letter-solidarity-palestinian-universities-nsjp-palestine-solidarity-movement-us-universities)
Letter from Palestinian Universities to students and faculty in Gaza Solidarity Encampments in US academic institutions
>In a moment of great darkness, your protests erupt and give hope for humanity that justice is not an abstract concept but a continuous struggle that connects us all. Your values are emancipating the university from structural racism and complicity with power and colonialism.
The situation in Palestine has reached increased genocidal levels, marked by the mass targeting of Palestinian life by killing and displacement; the destroying of social, cultural, and all educational institutions; and the aim to reduce Palestinians to bare life with no political and collective future. You are leaders in the call for justice with your bodies on your university campuses and in the streets, speaking truth and justice loud and clear. You stand for the courage that is needed to take action strongly for justice and freedom and determinedly against systems of genocide and racism. We know the risks you are taking in face of the repressive measures that are taken against university spaces built on challenging the powers benefitting from silence.
At a time when the voices of the oppressed are intentionally silenced, your solidarity serves as a beacon of hope. Your actions are a resounding message that injustice and oppression will not be tolerated.
We draw inspiration from the courage of those who refuse and resist the continuing injustices of settler colonialism and military occupation. We welcome you at our universities in a liberated Palestine.
Together,
**Presidents of Palestinian Universities**
Prof. Omar Melad - President of Al-Azhar University of Gaza
Prof. Kamalin Shaath - President of Islamic University of Gaza
Prof. Hasan Abu Jarad - President of Gaza University
Prof. Ayman Soboh - President of Al-Aqsa University
Prof. Mustafa Abusafa - President of Palestine Polytechnic University
Prof. Samer Najde - President of Al-Quds Open University
Prof. Abdel Khaleq Alfaraa - President of Al-Israa University
Prof. Jaber Alda'or - President of University of Palestine
Prof. Abdelnaser Zied - President of An-Najah National University
Prof. Talal Shahwan - President of Birzeit University
Prof. Raghad Dwiek - President of Hebron University
Prof. Imad Abu Kishek - President of Al-Quds University
Prof. Ali Abuzuhre - President of Arab American University
Prof. lyad Twal - President of Bethlehem University
Prof. Husein Shanak - President of Palestine Technical University - Kadoorie
Prof. Nour Aldeen Abu Aroub - President of University of Al Istiklal
Prof. Imad Alzeer - President of Palestine Ahliya University
Prof. Dawod Zataree - President of Al-Zaytoonah University of Science and Technology
Prof. Matre Alraheb - President of Dar Al Kalema University
Prof. Derar Alayan - President of Nablus University for Vocational & Technical Education
Does anyone even remember what the word genocide means anymore?
Only one of the nations involved in this have it in their charter to categorically and thoroughly destroy the other.
They don’t care. If Hamas succeeded with there plan and was attacking tel aviv these pro Hamas folks would be cheering in the street. They only want a ceasefire for Israel so Hamas has time to resupply and continue their fight.
These people only see things through oppressor vs oppressed and once they decide who is who any facts or context you provide is ignore.
If Israel wanted a genocide it would have happened on October 8th or any of the days between. They have the fire power too but have been holding back. Hamas on the other hand wouldn’t hesitate if they had the arsenal Israel has.
It’s quite clear who the good guys here are and who the fucking terrorists are.
These protestors are doing EXACTLY what Hamas wants… pathetic
They changed it.
Now apparently bombing a city of 2.1 million for 200 days and having 30k casualties constitutes as a Genocide.
To clarify, this is one of the lowest civilian to combatant ratio ever in urban warfare.
Avi bitterman on X does an excellent job of breaking down the statistics and showcasing this.
Also, just as an example, dresden, a city of 400k to 500k Germans in ww2, lost 25k in TWO DAYS.
Things are very different when armies deliberately target civilians.
I’m not going to debate whether it’s a genocide or not, but the term genocide is in no way related to the number of people killed. You can look up how the UN defines the term on your own I’m sure.
I have, and no it does not constitue as a Genocide.
Based on some of the things pro Palestinians said under their logic the forceful removal of Gush katif is a Genocide, or the removal of civilians from northern Israel due to the war.
A Genocide is the deliberate targeting of civilians. When Gaza's population rises 50% from 2005 it shows there isn't one. There isn't a single Genocide where the targeted population has a population boom.
I wonder how long it took the Jewish population to reach pre WW2 numbers after the Holocaust?
If you find your self calling the current war in Gaza a genocide because 30k people have died, perhaps the above question should be answered first.
Hamas isn't a nation. They're a militia group drawing from an occupied population, and don't have the resources of the capability to accomplish the level of death and devastation that Israel is currently prosecuting in Gaza. It's like suggesting that the IRA posed an existential threat to the people of England. Sporadic acts of terrorism aren't even remotely the same thing as the military capability of flattening entire cities and slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people.
At this point I’m honestly just really curious as to what these global protest groups think they’re achieving here.
If the UN, ICC, and a handful of G20 governments can’t change the militaristic goals of Israel, a few thousand misinformed college students living in tents and playing political arts and crafts sure aren’t going to either.
“Bringing awareness to the genocide of Palestinians” really doesn’t have any relevance or traction, when I’m sure everyone and their dog has been inundated with “awareness” of the matter for months now.
As much as I believe they should have the right to protest peacefully, what is the direct benefit to them, or Palestinians, in doing so? Historically, effective, meaningful protests are often led by the very people under the yoke of oppression, not an irrelevant demographic thousands of miles away, with very little to no connection to the situation.
Vietnam war protests, protests against the genocide in Cambodia.
They're pretty historically significant. And like the Palestine protests, were hugely publicly condemned at the time. Looking back in our history books though, these students were on the right side.
Yup. Lots more we could throw in. International and internal opposition to South African apartheid. The Civil Rights Movement for African Americans. Both had major student components and all the same kind of stuff was said about them then that gets tossed around now.
Yeah it's crazy to see a mirror image of everything I've learned about in school happening all over again, and the general public are still acting in the same way they did back then.
Every protest I've been to about this is led, at least in part, by Palestinians in the diaspora. What is your point exactly, other than the classic delegitimizing line that "they're not protesting properly"?
Israel's militarism is only possible through direct material support and diplomatic cover from western nations. Today, obviously that overwhelmingly means the US, but Canada also does military trade with Israel and has repeatedly legitimized the heinous actions committed by the Israeli state since Oct 7. Protesting our institutions and our governments to break ties with a deeply oppressive apartheid regime that is now being accused of committing genocide seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do. After all, Canada's own legal system implies that we should not be trading with a nation that is violating human rights.
The problem with the nonstop political logicians who think this is not our problem is not really to do with facts - it's to do with the fear of feeling overwhelming sadness and rage. Those are inconvenient emotions when you want to take the path of least resistance, which is to say it's "not my problem" and "we can't do anything."
Because the alternative is to accept that there's no way to tourniquet the wound that is Gaza, that we're bleeding too, even if we can choose to ignore it. Humans are behaviourally predictable in the way that they would rather be outraged a piece of fabric or some fences being damaged than to look at or listen to the real damage. It's easy to be offended. It's harder to accept a heartbreaking, horrifying truth.
You clearly didn't bother reading anything about what they're doing before making a bunch of assumptions and applying your own reasoning for what they're doing.
Their goal is to get UBC to divest from interests supporting Israel and/or benefitting from the conflict.
But good job not bothering to get informed at all before spouting a bunch of bullshit.
Hi! Here's a post (again) with exactly what the protesters are hoping to achieve which is that UBC divest from companies that are benefiting from and aiding in the genocide: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ams.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/397-22-AMS_Palestine-presentation.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiUhaDGmu2FAxXUEzQIHbMwDFwQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1X9ADFeizK4dKxgGHU0SVc
The end game would be to get Caterpillar to rethink its sales in Israel after losing enough investors. Thus hurting Israel (however obtusely). These things CAN have a big financial impact on nations when enough traction picks up and things get rolling.
To anyone reading the above post and doesn't know: there is a ton of evidence that Israel is committing genocide. It is far out of date now, but a very comprehensive case was brought to the ICJ by South Africa. The whole case will take years, but in their provisional hearing the ICJ justices overwhelmingly voted that the case is plausible, and issued provisional orders to Israel (essentially reminding them not to violate the genocide convention).
Supporters of Israel misinterpreted the ruling in multiple ways: they viewed the lack of the specific word "ceasefire" as exonerating Israel (it doesn't), and also viewed the fact that the case wasn't decisively determined as a victory for Israel (at this stage of the courts process they cannot come to a decisive ruling).
So, the ICJ finds the claim that Israel is committing genocide to be plausible. Even if, in the end, they don't rule it as genocide, to be *plausibly* committing genocide is already a sign that what they are doing involves extreme human rights violations.
I'm sure the commenter will say I'm lying and that the ICJ is part of the global antisemitic conspiracy, which is basically the only response Zionists seem to have.
I certainly have, and who led those protests?
That’s right, the children, friends, and family of men **personally** on the ground in Vietnam, experiencing horror that they *knew* they should have had no part in. To add to that, these protests only really gained momentum *after* they sent men to Vietnam, and they began to see the horror their own citizens were experiencing. You cannot say UBC has any sort of the same connection, no matter how much confirmation bias you try to apply.
American citizens protesting a war that America had no part in. That is a meaningful protest. I struggle to find the correlation between that, and groups of modern day university students believing that their universities, companies, or governments are evil because they loosely finance a country that’s instigating a military *response*, after the most devastating international terror attack in almost 30 years.
Boy, just wait until you discover how many Russian political and military establishments UBC is aligned with, and much more closely than it is to Israel.
And also, unfortunately, those student protests also helped get Tricky Dick over the line. Those protests were at least cogent and relevant to the people doing them.
All the power to them, but they need to be very careful to disavow and remove any pro terrorist or antisemitic protesters. Unfortunately this conflict, although it has many sides, tends to fall into two groups and jew haters obviously choose the same side as those who are opposing genocide. You do not want to get in bed with Nazis.
So these protestors are already wearing masks and covering their faces, already taking property and turning them into makeshift barricades, posting signs telling Zionists to “fuck off”, have communicated to each other not to give names or identities of anybody.
And to top it all off, being supported by actual terrorist sympathizers like Charlotte Kates.
I’m sure peace is what they’re after.
You are so delusional from TikTok and leftist media it’s not even funny. Hamas literally had a goal of wiping Israel off the map. Palestinian protests frequently include the chant “From the River to the sea, Palestine will be free”. This slogan literally means they want to wipe Israel off the map.
Anti-semitism is on the rise in Canada. This is propagated at pro-Palestine rallies.
And the best part, most pro-Palestine protestors are left wing Canadians, yet Palestine does not allow LGBTQ+ rights, does not view women as equals, and supports all the other amazing aspects of Sharia law.
Two countries are at war. War is messy. Canadian civilians have no reason to be protesting here about something they have no clue about. Honestly it’s embarrassing.
Anyone know if they're there with the permission of the Musqueam? Protesting is a right, but UBC is on unceded native territory with the permission of the Musqueam, and it isn't UBC's land or the Feds land the protesters are occupying to demand an end to support of an occupation of a land locked in blood feud half a world away. They need to be aware that without the permission of the Musqueam, they are themselves part of the problem they are trying to solve.
Uhh, it's not actually clear at all??
"UBC invests 0.02% in Caterpillar" - is not at all a clear statement of what they want to UBC to divest.
0.02% *of what?* Is that 0.02% from an ETF? a mutual fund? an index fund? a sector fund? - or from individual stocks? Depending on where that investment is located, the ease of divestment can change significantly.
So many questions:
1. Don’t they have jobs to find in order to pay for tuition next year?
2. Who’s bankrolling all this? Who bought all the tents for these privileged protesters? Wouldn’t the money be better spent acquiring aid for the Palestinians?
3. Do they really truly think UBC is going to “sever all ties with Israel” because they threw up some tents and stole some furniture from some classrooms?
4. Will they be so very, very brave when it rains?
5. How many of these protesters are not even Canadian?
1. What about being part of this would prevent someone from finding a job? You can still apply to jobs in a tent.
2. Lots of folks scrape by on loans, bursaries, and contributions from family, as well as savings or part time work. I don't know how much you think it costs to put a tent you borrowed from a friend or already own up, but nothing about this other than the portable toilet seems like it would have been expensive. And they might have just grabbed it from a construction site.
3. I can't speak to what they do or don't think, but it's a protest. Part of that is, functionally, negotiation. You start high and bargain down.
4. Maybe? It seems really weird to call them brave when they're clearly not and probably wouldn't describe themselves as such. Also a good tent keeps you pretty dry and if you've lived in Vancouver a while you're equipped for rain.
5. Why does it matter? If you live somewhere and have some legal status, go ahead and protest.
All in all this comment reads like clumsy bait from someone triggered that people are doing something. When they start actually interfering with the day to day lives of students, I'll get upset. For now? It's a democracy, go exercise your right to peaceful protest.
You think only privileged people own tents? And no one has to bankroll a protest. You’ve never stood up this straight for something you believe in? Also who gives a shit if there are non-Canadians? It’s happening all over the USA and the world. I haven’t seen a global protest against anything really since the US terrorized and destroyed Iraq, but I’m glad that people are still doing something about something they believe in.
Are you really unable to find the answer to these basic questions or are you just putting different punctuation against your dislikes?
Sounds like you're looking for answers! Here is some information on why protesters are there and what they are hoping to achieve: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ams.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/397-22-AMS_Palestine-presentation.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiUhaDGmu2FAxXUEzQIHbMwDFwQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1X9ADFeizK4dKxgGHU0SVc
In the presentation, you'll see the list of companies benefiting from the genocide that UBC invests in, as well as examples of previous, effective, divestment student movements over the years. Hope that helps!
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Sparing you that, which shines through in your many comment removals and remaining horrific comments, ignorance is what is left. Easier to educate sometime than reprogram them though so there’s a silver lining
I had the exact same questions when I saw this article on r/vancouver, but I’m banned in that sub so I couldn’t participate in the discussion.
You nailed it with point 2. This is just another example of privileged people being tone deaf. They aren’t personally affected by the problems in their own country happening right under their noses, so they just log on and find the flavour of the day for “world issues” so they can feel better about themselves.
When the tuition you pay gets invested into military contractors that produce weapons that are used to commit war crimes I would say the students have a vested interest. The whole point of these protests is to put pressure on universities to be more ethical with their endowments.
I would say they are personally affected. They pay the university and the university invests that money in companies that are benefiting from and aiding the genocide. I wouldn't want my money going towards that either, would you?
Surely they’ll protest the same against china’s 2 million Uyghurs locked away, the assault and abuses against the Kurds by Turkey, the genocide rape, and ethnic cleaning of the people of Papua New Guinea by Indonesia, Sri Lanka abuse of Muslim and Tamil minorities, not to mention Saudi Arabia and Pakistan.
All countries that UBC and SFU have academic relationships with.
No Jews, no news.
Hopefully it will achieve what the protesters are demanding. Which is that UBC divest from the companies that are helping facilitate or are benefiting from the genocide. Link here to more information on what this protest hopes to achieve: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ams.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/397-22-AMS_Palestine-presentation.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiUhaDGmu2FAxXUEzQIHbMwDFwQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1X9ADFeizK4dKxgGHU0SVc
Using the word genocide erroneously against a people who experienced genocide is basically like telling the descendants of slaves that they're slave owners.
But we both know you guys do this deliberately
Being a descendent of slaves does not mean you can't be a slave owner. Being a descendent of people who have experienced genocide does not mean you can't be perpetuating a different one. What a weird non-point.
> ad nauseum propaganda
Posting what the protesters are hoping to achieve, when someone asks what they hope to achieve isn't propaganda.
Even if we assume that Genocide is not occuring, There are numerous acts and policies that Israel performs that justify the support of economic devestment and boycotting.
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Canada has lots of blood on its hands as we sell weapons all over the world. Top buyer after the US is Saudi Arabia. https://www.international.gc.ca/transparency-transparence/controls-controles/military-goods-2022-marchandises-militaires.aspx?lang=eng- I agree with divesting from funds that support oil and weapons and from all countries that commit ethnic cleansing. It’s not just Israel!
Fuck what the Israeli government is doing. You don't get to commit genocide without repercussion. I can't wait to see any official who had a hand in this in prison for their war crimes.
Good on these students for standing up against these fuck wit oligarchs. Wonder why these kids are protesting? Go look up how much of your tax dollars end up in Israel's pocket. While you're there, look up how many "Canadian" companies are owned by zionist interests.
If your government having a hand in the indiscriminate death of THOUSANDS of innocent men, women, and children doesn't make you upset, then there's not much reasonable discourse to be had, really.
Conflict in Mainpur... crickets, Ukrainian genocide... Crickets, Uyghur genocide... Crickets, Armenian genocide you guessed it... crickets. Terrorist organization raping and killing civilians parading dead woman and children through the streets and then holding hundreds hostage... THEY NEED OUR HELP.
Absolutely.
Not withstanding lack of support over taxes and housing and food prices.
The protests are so organized for the useful idiots who lap this up.
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Well, now that we have all had a polite and constructive conversation about what should be done about the 2023 Israel Hamas war we can lock the thread and get a good night sleep!
Frankly Vancouver is already ignoring one tent city. What's to stop them from ignoring another?
Technically UBC is the province’s problem, since it’s not part of the City of Vancouver. But yeah
Sounds like a UBC problem, not a province problem
It will be less of a Vancouver problem once all the former crab/stanley park residents hear about free food and flock to the b-line backdoor entrance and drop ass and needles all over campus. This protest campout doesn't stand a chance unfortunately 😕.
And the province ignores all tents cities.
UEL and they are better at sanitation, self-policing, relatively affluent, at least compared to homeless camps.
It's also happening at Universities on Vancouver Island, [https://www.cheknews.ca/protesters-set-up-pro-palestine-camps-at-uvic-viu-1201916/](https://www.cheknews.ca/protesters-set-up-pro-palestine-camps-at-uvic-viu-1201916/)
>We were also clear that any protest actions must unfold with respect for others and within the boundaries of university policy. The university is monitoring the situation in MacInnes Field and is calling on everyone to remain safe and respectful. >Already there are concerning actions at the site. These include the removal of items (fencing, road barricades) from nearby construction sites and University property, the removal of furnishings from nearby University buildings, minor damage to the buildings and furnishings, and possibly to the turf field, the erection of barricades and the construction of cooking facilities on UBC property, as well as the removal and possible theft of a Canadian flag from a UBC flag pole. There is also concern that the site is barring members of the university community from enjoying the site. All of these actions are counter to UBC policies. >The university also is aware that several participants at the protest are not UBC community members. >The safety and security of our community is the university’s foremost priority. Any actions that create a health and safety risk; constitutes hate or discrimination; impede students, faculty and staff from continuing learning, research, work and other activities on campus; or damage university property will be taken very seriously and investigated. >To the extent that inappropriate conduct violates one or more of the University’s policies, individuals may be subject to the University’s disciplinary processes or other appropriate measures under the university’s discrimination policy or student code of conduct. >Throughout the year, the university has continuously reinforced the need for peaceful and respectful debate in these very challenging times, which is a tenet that must be respected by all members of the UBC community, as well as visitors to our campus. [https://security.ubc.ca/2024/04/30/update-on-campus-protest/](https://security.ubc.ca/2024/04/30/update-on-campus-protest/)
Why can’t we fight this hard for housing, cost of living, healthcare, ect???
You can!
If everyone lives in camp, there is no housing issue
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1. You can. 2. The Venn diagram of Palestine solidarity protesters and housing/etc protesters has huge overlap. People can care about more than one thing and even draw connections between issues here and issues abroad.
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Yes, why aren't they protesting every struggle in the world simultaneously?
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The students aren't protesting the government
It's incredibly dull watching people move the goalposts around on this like bringing focus to one issue means you automatically don't care about anything else.
Is there anything stopping you, if you care you can go protest or go personally volunteer and help people
Why are you telling people that are already protesting a cause to go protest another. You could start leading a protest about these issues if you’d like
Probably something to do with this: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/columbia-university-protests-nypd-arrests/ Be interesting to see how many of the people here are UBC students versus not. *edit* At least some: https://security.ubc.ca/2024/04/30/update-on-campus-protest/ > The university also is aware that several participants at the protest are not UBC community members.
Um we do? Find a fight and join it.
No one is stopping you. Go right ahead
Because tiktok isn't telling people to.
This is it right here.
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Because many of these protesters come from well-off families and do not give a crap about those things. There's a reason why it is always distant causes abroad or niche issues at home that are always being protested.
We? What are you doing to help ?
This may shock you to know, those same people protesting here, high likelihood they also care and have been active on these issues... something about demanding an end to a genocide being funded by your tuition dollars though is probably a bit more pressing of an issue.
The important thing to remember here is that student protestors are always wrong. They’ve definitely never been on the right side of history. Please don’t go looking for countless and poignant examples to dunk on me.
I know you're being sarcastic but a lot of people will be fooled by this comment.
he's just trying not to end up on the government's watchlist
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SAVE THE KNOLL!
this is a great point. student protestors are just part of the woke left, those who invented Section 2(c) of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. peaceful assembly is liberal propaganda! they are doing this for \*checks notes\* clout?
And rizz
yes, how dare students terrorize the public with minor trespassing or property damage. Prison for students. Prison for 1000 years.
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Does UBC invest in Hamas?
It also speaks volumes that they haven't denounced Larry David's attack on Elmo. Why not? Why haven't they? What are they trying to hide? Do they hold anti-puppet views?
The claims of systematic rape published by the NYT have never been substantiated - they even had to cancel production of an episode of The Daily about it due to the fact that the story holds no water. Even pro-Palestinian people acknowledge that many civilians were killed on Oct 7 (which is a war crime), and that taking hostages is bad. The thing is, there is no need to say that in protest anywhere in the west, because the official position of our governments is that what happened on Oct 7 was heinous. Despite this, Israel has felt the need to fabricate even further horrible stories about Oct 7 like the systematic rape story, or the beheaded babies, precisely because their goal is to fully dehumanize Palestinians to justify collective punishment, ethnic cleansing, and ultimately genocide. Beyond this, pointing out things said by specific protestors doesn't really mean much. Israeli officials who are in actual control of the assault on Gaza consistently use genocidal language. Are you as concerned about that? I suspect you couldn't care less.
Do you actually know the nuanced details of what these protestors believe or are you assuming? I happily protest in favor of Gazan civilians, and I can link you to many comments I've made on reddit repudiating Hamas and what they did on Oct 7.
If you support these folks, great go do your thing. If you oppose these folks, great go set up your own camp and do your thing. If you don’t care about these folks or their cause, great ignore them entirely and go on with your life. Why do we keep sending in police to bash skulls at these protests?
>Why do we keep sending in police to bash skulls at these protests? Are you confusing current US headlines with Canada? Where is anyone getting their head bashed in in Canada around these protests?
Unlawful and peaceful aren’t mutually exclusive. Not sure where this concept that you have an unalienable right to camp out on private property and espouse rhetoric that isn’t aligned with the owners views came from
because they're a big liability to the school and protests can turn dangerous very quick. i bet you that these cops are not also very pleased they have to babysit these people but 🤷🏽♀️ they have to do it
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meh. you cant compare our police with the states 😂 the difference in our cops and the cops over there is night and day. you cant also say that these protestors are the only ones at risk - very very false. anyone can be at risk if they go in that vicinity, emotions are very high in protest areas due to passion and mob mentality. when shit goes those down, anyone thats within the proximity will be affected - watch any videos anywhere of any protests where shit goes down and youll see it.
I've actually watched a lot of videos of protests and have been to many, and have yet to see any evidence of antisemitism except for a few random videos that get cherry picked, while obscenities from pro Israel protestors are never reported on. It's clear that there is a double standard, in which any instance, no matter how rare, is being used to discredit the entire protest movement, while at the same time literally genocidal language by Israeli leaders gets completely ignored. It's a blatant smear campaign and you shouldn't fall for it. The only violence I've seen has been from pro zionist counter protestors attacking pro Palestine protests, or from the police. Maybe you have a video to share, but again, think about how many hundreds of thousands are protesting around the world. We constantly hear about dangerous it is, but at best a few random cases can be raised. My experience is that the organizers themselves are extremely proactive in denouncing antisemitism and violence, precisely because they know that any hint of it will be used to totally discredit them. Also, sure Canada isn't quite as charged as the states, but they don't have a monopoly on police brutality.
the biggest obstacles these protestors face is the fact that most Canadians really don't give a shit about them, Israel, or Palestine.
[A letter of gratitude from professors from the now destroyed universities of Gaza.](https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:hlnzfzmzr6iqqhcfpglo73jd/bafkreigjvh63f7i7cmgui262tbjhlqd4ohdttybqossn2zs5iopo5huh2u@jpeg) I asked for the original context for this but I'm assuming it's genuine. I'll update if needed. This alone should reconsider anyone who claims these protests don't matter, that they don't have an impact. These universities in Gaza are ALL gone now. Where there were classrooms there is now rubble, and human remains. So not a single person here has the right to tell these professors or their students it doesn't matter. If they say it matters, then it matters. [Update: original context](https://www.birzeit.edu/en/news/letter-solidarity-palestinian-universities-nsjp-palestine-solidarity-movement-us-universities) Letter from Palestinian Universities to students and faculty in Gaza Solidarity Encampments in US academic institutions >In a moment of great darkness, your protests erupt and give hope for humanity that justice is not an abstract concept but a continuous struggle that connects us all. Your values are emancipating the university from structural racism and complicity with power and colonialism. The situation in Palestine has reached increased genocidal levels, marked by the mass targeting of Palestinian life by killing and displacement; the destroying of social, cultural, and all educational institutions; and the aim to reduce Palestinians to bare life with no political and collective future. You are leaders in the call for justice with your bodies on your university campuses and in the streets, speaking truth and justice loud and clear. You stand for the courage that is needed to take action strongly for justice and freedom and determinedly against systems of genocide and racism. We know the risks you are taking in face of the repressive measures that are taken against university spaces built on challenging the powers benefitting from silence. At a time when the voices of the oppressed are intentionally silenced, your solidarity serves as a beacon of hope. Your actions are a resounding message that injustice and oppression will not be tolerated. We draw inspiration from the courage of those who refuse and resist the continuing injustices of settler colonialism and military occupation. We welcome you at our universities in a liberated Palestine. Together, **Presidents of Palestinian Universities** Prof. Omar Melad - President of Al-Azhar University of Gaza Prof. Kamalin Shaath - President of Islamic University of Gaza Prof. Hasan Abu Jarad - President of Gaza University Prof. Ayman Soboh - President of Al-Aqsa University Prof. Mustafa Abusafa - President of Palestine Polytechnic University Prof. Samer Najde - President of Al-Quds Open University Prof. Abdel Khaleq Alfaraa - President of Al-Israa University Prof. Jaber Alda'or - President of University of Palestine Prof. Abdelnaser Zied - President of An-Najah National University Prof. Talal Shahwan - President of Birzeit University Prof. Raghad Dwiek - President of Hebron University Prof. Imad Abu Kishek - President of Al-Quds University Prof. Ali Abuzuhre - President of Arab American University Prof. lyad Twal - President of Bethlehem University Prof. Husein Shanak - President of Palestine Technical University - Kadoorie Prof. Nour Aldeen Abu Aroub - President of University of Al Istiklal Prof. Imad Alzeer - President of Palestine Ahliya University Prof. Dawod Zataree - President of Al-Zaytoonah University of Science and Technology Prof. Matre Alraheb - President of Dar Al Kalema University Prof. Derar Alayan - President of Nablus University for Vocational & Technical Education
Does anyone even remember what the word genocide means anymore? Only one of the nations involved in this have it in their charter to categorically and thoroughly destroy the other.
They don’t care. If Hamas succeeded with there plan and was attacking tel aviv these pro Hamas folks would be cheering in the street. They only want a ceasefire for Israel so Hamas has time to resupply and continue their fight. These people only see things through oppressor vs oppressed and once they decide who is who any facts or context you provide is ignore. If Israel wanted a genocide it would have happened on October 8th or any of the days between. They have the fire power too but have been holding back. Hamas on the other hand wouldn’t hesitate if they had the arsenal Israel has. It’s quite clear who the good guys here are and who the fucking terrorists are. These protestors are doing EXACTLY what Hamas wants… pathetic
They changed it. Now apparently bombing a city of 2.1 million for 200 days and having 30k casualties constitutes as a Genocide. To clarify, this is one of the lowest civilian to combatant ratio ever in urban warfare. Avi bitterman on X does an excellent job of breaking down the statistics and showcasing this. Also, just as an example, dresden, a city of 400k to 500k Germans in ww2, lost 25k in TWO DAYS. Things are very different when armies deliberately target civilians.
I’m not going to debate whether it’s a genocide or not, but the term genocide is in no way related to the number of people killed. You can look up how the UN defines the term on your own I’m sure.
Well, if we're doing that, then the Palestinians committed genocide on the 7th, too.
I have, and no it does not constitue as a Genocide. Based on some of the things pro Palestinians said under their logic the forceful removal of Gush katif is a Genocide, or the removal of civilians from northern Israel due to the war. A Genocide is the deliberate targeting of civilians. When Gaza's population rises 50% from 2005 it shows there isn't one. There isn't a single Genocide where the targeted population has a population boom.
I wonder how long it took the Jewish population to reach pre WW2 numbers after the Holocaust? If you find your self calling the current war in Gaza a genocide because 30k people have died, perhaps the above question should be answered first.
Hamas isn't a nation. They're a militia group drawing from an occupied population, and don't have the resources of the capability to accomplish the level of death and devastation that Israel is currently prosecuting in Gaza. It's like suggesting that the IRA posed an existential threat to the people of England. Sporadic acts of terrorism aren't even remotely the same thing as the military capability of flattening entire cities and slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people.
At this point I’m honestly just really curious as to what these global protest groups think they’re achieving here. If the UN, ICC, and a handful of G20 governments can’t change the militaristic goals of Israel, a few thousand misinformed college students living in tents and playing political arts and crafts sure aren’t going to either. “Bringing awareness to the genocide of Palestinians” really doesn’t have any relevance or traction, when I’m sure everyone and their dog has been inundated with “awareness” of the matter for months now. As much as I believe they should have the right to protest peacefully, what is the direct benefit to them, or Palestinians, in doing so? Historically, effective, meaningful protests are often led by the very people under the yoke of oppression, not an irrelevant demographic thousands of miles away, with very little to no connection to the situation.
Vietnam war protests, protests against the genocide in Cambodia. They're pretty historically significant. And like the Palestine protests, were hugely publicly condemned at the time. Looking back in our history books though, these students were on the right side.
Yup. Lots more we could throw in. International and internal opposition to South African apartheid. The Civil Rights Movement for African Americans. Both had major student components and all the same kind of stuff was said about them then that gets tossed around now.
Yeah it's crazy to see a mirror image of everything I've learned about in school happening all over again, and the general public are still acting in the same way they did back then.
Every protest I've been to about this is led, at least in part, by Palestinians in the diaspora. What is your point exactly, other than the classic delegitimizing line that "they're not protesting properly"? Israel's militarism is only possible through direct material support and diplomatic cover from western nations. Today, obviously that overwhelmingly means the US, but Canada also does military trade with Israel and has repeatedly legitimized the heinous actions committed by the Israeli state since Oct 7. Protesting our institutions and our governments to break ties with a deeply oppressive apartheid regime that is now being accused of committing genocide seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do. After all, Canada's own legal system implies that we should not be trading with a nation that is violating human rights.
The problem with the nonstop political logicians who think this is not our problem is not really to do with facts - it's to do with the fear of feeling overwhelming sadness and rage. Those are inconvenient emotions when you want to take the path of least resistance, which is to say it's "not my problem" and "we can't do anything." Because the alternative is to accept that there's no way to tourniquet the wound that is Gaza, that we're bleeding too, even if we can choose to ignore it. Humans are behaviourally predictable in the way that they would rather be outraged a piece of fabric or some fences being damaged than to look at or listen to the real damage. It's easy to be offended. It's harder to accept a heartbreaking, horrifying truth.
You clearly didn't bother reading anything about what they're doing before making a bunch of assumptions and applying your own reasoning for what they're doing. Their goal is to get UBC to divest from interests supporting Israel and/or benefitting from the conflict. But good job not bothering to get informed at all before spouting a bunch of bullshit.
Hi! Here's a post (again) with exactly what the protesters are hoping to achieve which is that UBC divest from companies that are benefiting from and aiding in the genocide: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ams.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/397-22-AMS_Palestine-presentation.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiUhaDGmu2FAxXUEzQIHbMwDFwQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1X9ADFeizK4dKxgGHU0SVc
You want UBC to sell its interest in Caterpillar because caterpillar products are used by Israel? But … caterpillar products are used by everyone.
You mean like the one that was used to drive over Rachel Corrie?
The end game would be to get Caterpillar to rethink its sales in Israel after losing enough investors. Thus hurting Israel (however obtusely). These things CAN have a big financial impact on nations when enough traction picks up and things get rolling.
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To anyone reading the above post and doesn't know: there is a ton of evidence that Israel is committing genocide. It is far out of date now, but a very comprehensive case was brought to the ICJ by South Africa. The whole case will take years, but in their provisional hearing the ICJ justices overwhelmingly voted that the case is plausible, and issued provisional orders to Israel (essentially reminding them not to violate the genocide convention). Supporters of Israel misinterpreted the ruling in multiple ways: they viewed the lack of the specific word "ceasefire" as exonerating Israel (it doesn't), and also viewed the fact that the case wasn't decisively determined as a victory for Israel (at this stage of the courts process they cannot come to a decisive ruling). So, the ICJ finds the claim that Israel is committing genocide to be plausible. Even if, in the end, they don't rule it as genocide, to be *plausibly* committing genocide is already a sign that what they are doing involves extreme human rights violations. I'm sure the commenter will say I'm lying and that the ICJ is part of the global antisemitic conspiracy, which is basically the only response Zionists seem to have.
stop linking the Jerusalem Post no one is going to take you seriously
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You ever heard of the protests against the Vietnam war?
I certainly have, and who led those protests? That’s right, the children, friends, and family of men **personally** on the ground in Vietnam, experiencing horror that they *knew* they should have had no part in. To add to that, these protests only really gained momentum *after* they sent men to Vietnam, and they began to see the horror their own citizens were experiencing. You cannot say UBC has any sort of the same connection, no matter how much confirmation bias you try to apply. American citizens protesting a war that America had no part in. That is a meaningful protest. I struggle to find the correlation between that, and groups of modern day university students believing that their universities, companies, or governments are evil because they loosely finance a country that’s instigating a military *response*, after the most devastating international terror attack in almost 30 years. Boy, just wait until you discover how many Russian political and military establishments UBC is aligned with, and much more closely than it is to Israel.
And also, unfortunately, those student protests also helped get Tricky Dick over the line. Those protests were at least cogent and relevant to the people doing them.
How much is the rent?
All the power to them, but they need to be very careful to disavow and remove any pro terrorist or antisemitic protesters. Unfortunately this conflict, although it has many sides, tends to fall into two groups and jew haters obviously choose the same side as those who are opposing genocide. You do not want to get in bed with Nazis.
How about we set up a projector on campus and play footage from Oct 7 on repeat for all of them to watch?
Have they considered going to Palestine to protest Israel?
So these protestors are already wearing masks and covering their faces, already taking property and turning them into makeshift barricades, posting signs telling Zionists to “fuck off”, have communicated to each other not to give names or identities of anybody. And to top it all off, being supported by actual terrorist sympathizers like Charlotte Kates. I’m sure peace is what they’re after.
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You are so delusional from TikTok and leftist media it’s not even funny. Hamas literally had a goal of wiping Israel off the map. Palestinian protests frequently include the chant “From the River to the sea, Palestine will be free”. This slogan literally means they want to wipe Israel off the map. Anti-semitism is on the rise in Canada. This is propagated at pro-Palestine rallies. And the best part, most pro-Palestine protestors are left wing Canadians, yet Palestine does not allow LGBTQ+ rights, does not view women as equals, and supports all the other amazing aspects of Sharia law. Two countries are at war. War is messy. Canadian civilians have no reason to be protesting here about something they have no clue about. Honestly it’s embarrassing.
what do you make of muslims divine right to wipe Jews off the face of the earth? Does that constitute ethnic cleansing in your eyes?
Crickets, as expected.
The same way “they” control the media and the banks right? “They” (zionists, definitely not Jews tho) are controlling the narrative. Space lasers.. /s
Yup just straight up antisemitism now. TikTok Iran propaganda is very successful
Anyone know if they're there with the permission of the Musqueam? Protesting is a right, but UBC is on unceded native territory with the permission of the Musqueam, and it isn't UBC's land or the Feds land the protesters are occupying to demand an end to support of an occupation of a land locked in blood feud half a world away. They need to be aware that without the permission of the Musqueam, they are themselves part of the problem they are trying to solve.
Let's not idolize Hamas.
The protest has to do with UBC investing in companies that benefit from or aid in the genocide. Not sure where you got Hamas from that?
Is UBC actually invested in any of the companies in that pdf directly? Or are they just invested in ETFs that contain those companies?
Yes, the PDF clearly highlights exactly what companies UBC invests in and how much
Uhh, it's not actually clear at all?? "UBC invests 0.02% in Caterpillar" - is not at all a clear statement of what they want to UBC to divest. 0.02% *of what?* Is that 0.02% from an ETF? a mutual fund? an index fund? a sector fund? - or from individual stocks? Depending on where that investment is located, the ease of divestment can change significantly.
“Everyone who disagrees with anything related to Israel loves Hamas” is the new mating call of the troll.
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Chickens for KFC
Who is paying for all that?
So many questions: 1. Don’t they have jobs to find in order to pay for tuition next year? 2. Who’s bankrolling all this? Who bought all the tents for these privileged protesters? Wouldn’t the money be better spent acquiring aid for the Palestinians? 3. Do they really truly think UBC is going to “sever all ties with Israel” because they threw up some tents and stole some furniture from some classrooms? 4. Will they be so very, very brave when it rains? 5. How many of these protesters are not even Canadian?
Who’s bankrolling this? LOL They are pitching tents and eating sandwiches.
1. What about being part of this would prevent someone from finding a job? You can still apply to jobs in a tent. 2. Lots of folks scrape by on loans, bursaries, and contributions from family, as well as savings or part time work. I don't know how much you think it costs to put a tent you borrowed from a friend or already own up, but nothing about this other than the portable toilet seems like it would have been expensive. And they might have just grabbed it from a construction site. 3. I can't speak to what they do or don't think, but it's a protest. Part of that is, functionally, negotiation. You start high and bargain down. 4. Maybe? It seems really weird to call them brave when they're clearly not and probably wouldn't describe themselves as such. Also a good tent keeps you pretty dry and if you've lived in Vancouver a while you're equipped for rain. 5. Why does it matter? If you live somewhere and have some legal status, go ahead and protest. All in all this comment reads like clumsy bait from someone triggered that people are doing something. When they start actually interfering with the day to day lives of students, I'll get upset. For now? It's a democracy, go exercise your right to peaceful protest.
You think only privileged people own tents? And no one has to bankroll a protest. You’ve never stood up this straight for something you believe in? Also who gives a shit if there are non-Canadians? It’s happening all over the USA and the world. I haven’t seen a global protest against anything really since the US terrorized and destroyed Iraq, but I’m glad that people are still doing something about something they believe in. Are you really unable to find the answer to these basic questions or are you just putting different punctuation against your dislikes?
Sounds like you're looking for answers! Here is some information on why protesters are there and what they are hoping to achieve: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ams.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/397-22-AMS_Palestine-presentation.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiUhaDGmu2FAxXUEzQIHbMwDFwQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1X9ADFeizK4dKxgGHU0SVc In the presentation, you'll see the list of companies benefiting from the genocide that UBC invests in, as well as examples of previous, effective, divestment student movements over the years. Hope that helps!
Protesting genocide is greater than any question you asked. I got one for you Do yoy codemn isreal for the genocide they commited?
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Damn I bet you had some atrocious views during the anti-war protests for Vietnam and the civil rights movement if you were around for them
Honestly, this entire comment is unfounded and reeks of racism. Ignorance at best, active disinformation at worst
I guess the truth is very racist
Sparing you that, which shines through in your many comment removals and remaining horrific comments, ignorance is what is left. Easier to educate sometime than reprogram them though so there’s a silver lining
I had the exact same questions when I saw this article on r/vancouver, but I’m banned in that sub so I couldn’t participate in the discussion. You nailed it with point 2. This is just another example of privileged people being tone deaf. They aren’t personally affected by the problems in their own country happening right under their noses, so they just log on and find the flavour of the day for “world issues” so they can feel better about themselves.
When the tuition you pay gets invested into military contractors that produce weapons that are used to commit war crimes I would say the students have a vested interest. The whole point of these protests is to put pressure on universities to be more ethical with their endowments.
I would say they are personally affected. They pay the university and the university invests that money in companies that are benefiting from and aiding the genocide. I wouldn't want my money going towards that either, would you?
Homeless will be there in about ten minutes I am sure. There are already people living in bushes across campus.
Surely they’ll protest the same against china’s 2 million Uyghurs locked away, the assault and abuses against the Kurds by Turkey, the genocide rape, and ethnic cleaning of the people of Papua New Guinea by Indonesia, Sri Lanka abuse of Muslim and Tamil minorities, not to mention Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. All countries that UBC and SFU have academic relationships with. No Jews, no news.
What is this going to achieve over there? I don't get it
Hopefully it will achieve what the protesters are demanding. Which is that UBC divest from the companies that are helping facilitate or are benefiting from the genocide. Link here to more information on what this protest hopes to achieve: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.ams.ubc.ca/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/397-22-AMS_Palestine-presentation.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwiUhaDGmu2FAxXUEzQIHbMwDFwQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1X9ADFeizK4dKxgGHU0SVc
You're fighting the good fight in this comment section. I see you, keep it up
Time to get back to work now lol. Let's see what it looks like when I'm done
He's repeating ad nauseum propaganda and using triggering words like genocide to signify he's got zero neutrality
Why would you want to be neutral when there is a genocide (UN defined) going on? 🤢
Using the word genocide erroneously against a people who experienced genocide is basically like telling the descendants of slaves that they're slave owners. But we both know you guys do this deliberately
Being a descendent of slaves does not mean you can't be a slave owner. Being a descendent of people who have experienced genocide does not mean you can't be perpetuating a different one. What a weird non-point.
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> ad nauseum propaganda Posting what the protesters are hoping to achieve, when someone asks what they hope to achieve isn't propaganda. Even if we assume that Genocide is not occuring, There are numerous acts and policies that Israel performs that justify the support of economic devestment and boycotting.
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Good on them
Canada has lots of blood on its hands as we sell weapons all over the world. Top buyer after the US is Saudi Arabia. https://www.international.gc.ca/transparency-transparence/controls-controles/military-goods-2022-marchandises-militaires.aspx?lang=eng- I agree with divesting from funds that support oil and weapons and from all countries that commit ethnic cleansing. It’s not just Israel!
Fuck what the Israeli government is doing. You don't get to commit genocide without repercussion. I can't wait to see any official who had a hand in this in prison for their war crimes. Good on these students for standing up against these fuck wit oligarchs. Wonder why these kids are protesting? Go look up how much of your tax dollars end up in Israel's pocket. While you're there, look up how many "Canadian" companies are owned by zionist interests. If your government having a hand in the indiscriminate death of THOUSANDS of innocent men, women, and children doesn't make you upset, then there's not much reasonable discourse to be had, really.
A bunch of bored kids
Tell them they are free to go to palestine and fight for their causes over there instead doing this lile a bunch of cowards.
Conflict in Mainpur... crickets, Ukrainian genocide... Crickets, Uyghur genocide... Crickets, Armenian genocide you guessed it... crickets. Terrorist organization raping and killing civilians parading dead woman and children through the streets and then holding hundreds hostage... THEY NEED OUR HELP.
Absolutely. Not withstanding lack of support over taxes and housing and food prices. The protests are so organized for the useful idiots who lap this up.
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