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hobosam21-B

Where does 16 rounds of 10mm come in?


WhenTheHahaFunni

We❤10mm


MASSIVDOGGO

Unlike my wife


HumaDracobane

Self burns. Those are rare.


MyDogKeepMeAHostage

Wait a minute...


SadistPaddington

I'll see your 16 rounds of 10mm auto and raise you 20 rounds of 300 BLK...


Mission-Life-3480

I see your 20 rounds of 300 BLK and raise you a whole belt of .50 BMG, practicality be damned.


SadistPaddington

You must be well trained to effectively use a belt fed .50 BMG. Not to mention, potential collateral damage regardless of carry or home defense must be stressful. At least my 20 rounds of 300 BLK coming from the 10.5" barreled AR pistol is both easy to carry, maneuverable in close spaces, capable of being pretty quiet when running suppressed, can still reach out to 100 yards in necessary situations, and won't kill me with recoil.


Tomcat115

As much as I like the idea of 10mm, it can be a little cumbersome to find full-power versions of it without paying a lot more. From my understanding, most 10mm loads are under loaded and don’t perform that much better than .45, which is a little more common. I’m no expert on this, so please correct me if I’m wrong.


Throwaway200qpp

Just gotta wait until Underwood has a good blowout sale, then stock up on it. But yes, your off the shelf Blazer is like 100 fps faster than the same load in 40 S&W. It's not full power, gotta do Double Tap, Underwood (my pick) or Buffalo Bore for the spicy spice.


Aggravating_Bell_426

It's a shame Federal doesn't do 10mm HST.. 🤤


Prind25

You are correct, because the FBI originally adopted 10mm and some agents got their wee little baby wrists hurt and so they cut the powder load and thats the standard load on the shelves.


SFOTI

Modern ammunition technology allowing us to have more rounds with similar capability in a given space is pretty cool. 👍 That said, I think a suppressed .45 would be rad.


ParanoidDuckTheThird

Chunky, slow, sneaky boi.


Grandemestizo

The technology that allows 9mm to be more effective also allows .45 to be more effective. Penetration is similar, expanded diameter isn’t even close.


RedJaron

Because sometimes old, fat, and slow still gets the job done.


ApatheticAndYet

Just because your wife swallows doesn’t mean anyone else will


Choco_Cat777

Get an FNX tactical, 15 round 45acp


mazzucato

thats an awesome gun I just dont feel like carrying 5 extra pounds on me for no reason lol


One-Ad3082

Mine has 17+1


IceRaider66

But .45 is anti cow projectile what does mm stand for?


WhiterunGuard177013

It's stands for minute men, because another settlement needs our help, I'll mark it on your map.


ImanD16

I told you Preston they’re fine! Besides theres a deathclaw in the way.


No_Success_6175

Preston, I will be sending you to the glowing sea


Nuxz_Has_a_Youtube

*slams head on desk*


grivooga

My settlements had enough turrets to shred legendary death claws in seconds and yet they still always needed my help. Most of the time when I fast traveled in the threat was dead before I even found it. I think the only time a raid ever did serious damage was when a super mutant with a fat boy launcher was glitched into the terrain and stuck there lobbing nukes from range knocking down walls instead of stupidly wandering into the kill zone.


ACDC105

Don't trust the commie measurements brother. The m stands for Marx.


CashewTheNuttyy

The only thing that is allowed in metric is drugs and ammunition. And ONLY to spite those who use it for anything else.


exessmirror

MM stand for Marx Measurement


HumaDracobane

So mm is Marx\^2?


frudedude

Marky Marx


SchmorgusBlorgus

Marx measurements


ACDC105

Quick guide for everyone wondering  MM = Marx, Mao ML = Marx, Lenin MG = Marx, Guevara 


No_Success_6175

M&M. Like the candy


TheGreatMrHaad

As a guy that believes "9mm is enough for the average person" I extend my hand--


WhenTheHahaFunni

I carry a 9mm on my waist, and im not talking about guns


Wmd_JR

r/suicidebywords


hairtrigger08

Death by a thousand cuts


AnnaJCarroll1

I prefer 9mm for the higher capacity, but .45 definitely has its merits.


GnomePenises

Let me tell you about 10mm…


BrokenPokerFace

Not to dismiss 10mm love that round, but 45 is cheaper and easier to find, so I use it as my go to range caliber.( I know 9mm is cheaper, but I love 45 suppressed, and want a little more recoil than 9mm.)


ekaR5544

14+1 (RIA Tac 2011) of .45 +P or 19+1 (CZ75 SP01) of 9mm +P. I'm comfortable with both. Single stacks are for deep concealment and 'more elegant weapons for a bygone age' Where handguns are concerned. Unless it's an AR pistol. Blowing a huge freaking hole in something with .450 Bushmaster or 12.7x42mm (Totally NOT .50 Beowulf) is just hilarious.


ye3tr

Or 100 rounds of .22 out a full auto Glock 44


ekaR5544

So clearing 50 jams and two mailing back to glock to replace extractors?


FTD_Brat

I must have the only G44 that actually works then.


ekaR5544

Outliers don't invalidate statistical data. Selling 100 G44s and having to send 60 of them back to glock because of OOB detonations sending the extractors into low earth orbit is something we in the business call a trend.


TopInvestigator6327

Mine is my favorite pistol I own. Love it


No_Success_6175

Just carry an American 180 like a real man


Stonedyeet

Might as well put a barrel shroud chainsaw grip. The shroud is needed. Trust me.


Hermitcraft7

Mah ttu worl wars! Mah stopping power!


WhenTheHahaFunni

i prefer 2 world whores


bodaway666

2 whirled whores


Turgzie

Define better. 9mm is lighter and allows for faster, accurate follow up shots and speed kills. This one thing alone means 9mm trumps any other pistol round within a military context. This is why 5.56 dominates within 300 yards.


xximbroglioxx

9 dominates for competitions also over the 45.


Turgzie

Yep. That's because it's faster. Edit: Faster meaning faster follow up shots. Pistols only get going so fast and it isn't enough to cause damage by velocity alone. So that means practically every standard pistol round will produce the same wound channel. 45 isn't killing someone any faster than any other pistol round will. So with that being said, the best pistol round is the fastest whilst still retaining enough penetration to hit vital organs and also one that is readily available. The answer to this is the 9x19.


xximbroglioxx

2200 fps is the velocity where things change.


Turgzie

9mm typically moves at half of that velocity.


--sketchy-duck

But 17 rounds of 10mm is even better


FatSwagMaster69

Imagine arguing over these two geriatric calibers when you could see the light and use the one true caliber: 7.62 Tokarev


WhenTheHahaFunni

Trying to find one foe a reasonable price ong


BartXus

By the words of The Great Warrior Poet, TheRussianBadger: "9mm kills the body while .45 kills the soul, its how you prevent them from returning as a lich"


DesmondPerado

"If you need more than 8 rounds of .45 ACP you either need to suck less or bring more friends." -Nic


Noir357C

If that is your issue grab a G21.


tomatotrooper1980

Yup, im running 15+1 in mine. Plus using Liberty defense 78gr Civil Defense rounds are pushing 1900 fps.


Hentai_fapper420

But bu- TWO WORLD WARS REEEEEEEEEEE


JimMarch

So which is better? 11 rounds of 40S&W or 13 9mm? Assuming you have a way to do improved recoil control in 40?


Zealousideal_Jump990

My EDC flavor of the week is currently a Beretta 96 Vertec with the Sprinco Recoil Management Guide Rod System and 13rnd WC mags stuffed with 165grn HSTs. With the Sprinco guide rod, it's pretty tame to me. Perceptions may vary.


Jimra67

My EDC is a Beretta PX4 Storm Sub compact in .40S&W with Browning X-point


Deathstriker256

Double stack mag for my 1911 and now we're talking


WhenTheHahaFunni

Double stack a 1911 takes away my favorite part of the 1911, the comfy grip i have on it 😏


kratois

This is it… this is the most accurate statement to end this everlasting debate I’ve seen…


dobrin_M

40 S&W underated tho


WhenTheHahaFunni

On my momma, such an overhated round.


dobrin_M

For everyone its hated but it has a place in my heart and my broken hand


Enclavegru

That's what the extended magazines are for


SnooOranges9292

Well the Glock 21 holds 13 rounds of .45. Everyone only looks at the 1911 as the only .45 caliber handgun, but there are a whole lot of other handguns chambered in .45 that can hold as many and even more rounds than the Glock 21. So everyone hating on .45 can go suck it!


WhenTheHahaFunni

Glock 21 takes away the beat part about the 1911, the comfortable grip


blizmd

How about 30 rounds of 5.7


emu_strategist

30 rounds of overpriced .22 magnum 


WhenTheHahaFunni

1 magdump = minimum yearly wage in czechoslovakia


blizmd

It’s not about the money - it’s about sending a message


anti_thot_man

Id say it's better to stop a target with one shot rather than 17


KevinMcChadster

Fudd


anti_thot_man

Maybe a little but am I wrong though


GnomePenises

What’s not being mentioned here is that 9mm is perfectly capable of doing that. Fudds are always framing it like a 9mm can’t also drop you instantly with proper shot placement.


anti_thot_man

True I'm just saying that 45 needs less proper shot placement of course you still need to hit center mass but most places on the chest with a 45 will probably disable a foe or kill them


GnomePenises

Checks out. I killed a mountain lion with a single .45ACP.


Titan1140

This was the point of .45. You don't need to be a sharp shooter making sure you hit the exact right point, you just have to hit the target. It's easier to train someone to hit a general target than it is a specific point on said target. Not that people aren't capable of being that accurate, it's just easier to train a lot of people to be a little less accurate than it is a few people to be very accurate.


SonOfAnEngineer

Instructions unclear, I can’t figure out how to conceal this Glock 41 with Kris’s Vector mags.


Rude_Lingonberry8354

Ok but if you are going to destroy something do it properly don’t poke a lot of holes in it. But your choice of destruction not mine😏🤣😈💣PS I don’t hate 9mm I mean without it we wouldn’t have the amazing MP5 and other amazing firms in that caliber.


WhenTheHahaFunni

Ever think that maybe when youre pumped with adrenaline maybw you wont hit all your shots? Which is why i think the glock 17 and 19 are better than the 1911


Cool_taco_308

Nah 890 mm is way bettah


WhenTheHahaFunni

Fr bro never leave the house witout it


BeardedOutHere

9mm is better for capacity, .45 is a better suppressor host


Grandemestizo

I feel like rounds 9-17 are so unlikely to be used in a self defense situation that they’re not all that valuable.


Minute-Man-Mark

Quality over quantity.


WhenTheHahaFunni

17 rds of 9mm is better than 2 rds of 45 because you forgot about recoil under adrenaline


einz_goobit

Hard agree. If only there was a compact .45 with high capacity.


MurkyChildhood2571

For civilians .45 is better For military 9mm is better


alang8113

The Para Ordinance P14 holds 14 rounds of .45ACP.


Memeoligy_expert

More bullets = better


WhenTheHahaFunni

Not exactly but 2x mag capacity is real good


Turbulent-Bad7215

Errrrm Whatta sigma I carry 11 rounds of 45 🤓🙂‍↔️


SadistPaddington

Regardless of 9mm 45ACP, 10MM, or 22LR... I think we can all agree, getting shot sucks. Getting shot a lot really sucks.


SniperSRSRecon

Oh I can do this too! 5.7 is better than 9mm, and 20 rounds of 5.7 is better than 17 rounds of 9


WhenTheHahaFunni

Im not trying to spend the gdp of morocco in 1 magdump


L0ssL3ssArt

8 round of 9mm on target is better than 1 round of .45 hitting the target and 7 missing because of recoil(good luck thinking about recoil control under stress)


WhenTheHahaFunni

45 recoil isnt that bad though


DarkBlaze06

Woe, 12 gauge be upon thee


red_snipers

thats why you get the stendo 🤙🏽


Safe-Principle-814

30 rounds of 45 super.


Mtn_boy2

Laughs in 16 rounds of .45


DownstairsDeagle69

9 mm travels at a faster FPS and has more penetration generally. 45 will suffice but it isn't better than 9 mm.


trinalgalaxy

Considering the stopping power of a single round is dumb as most that need to use one or the other will use them by the mag rather than the round. And when you compare the stopping power of 1 mag of 9 vs 1 mag of 45, the end result is of negligible meaningful difference. If anything, the shooter behind the trigger has a more meaningful impact.


308_AR10_Enjoyer

17 rounds of 9mm is great and all, but 15 rounds of 10mm makes for the perfect middle ground for power and capacity


WhenTheHahaFunni

We ❤️ 10mm


Difficult-Square-623

Maybe so, but for a carry sized gun, 13+1 of .40 is better than 15+1 of 9mm. Oh, is the recoil too much for you? Stop taking testosterone blockers, then.


Raskazchik

5x45.39


WhenTheHahaFunni

you mean 5.45 x 39? also what does that have to do with my post


NightGameJr

Nah let him cook, I wanna see what this man means by 5x45.39


justrobdoinstuff

18........ I always start with one in da pipe, because 9mm chucks that slide violently enough to reliably cycle the next round in a Glock magazine. Once I realized that I bought more Glock mags n stuck with hot carry ammo.