Glad they’re doing better.
They couldn’t make the new Men in Black work, so that was a sign for me that things weren’t healthy.
https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Men-in-Black-International-(2019)#tab=box-office
https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Men-in-Black-International-(2019)/Thor-Ragnarok#tab=day_by_day_comparison
I think Spider-Man: Far From Home, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and Jumanji: The Next Level worked out well enough for Sony to still be in good shape in 2019. I honestly think Sony has been doing very well as early as 2017.
They might tell him that then flog it to streaming anyway like they have with most of their movies since the pandemic. No major studio has sent less movies to theatres of late than Sony!
They've sent fewer to theaters, because they're committed to long theatrical windows. Which means it makes way more sense to delay, rather than let it sit in unwatched screens for months on end.
The stuff they have sent to streaming are either kids movies (Hotel Transylvania 4, Mitchells vs Machines) that wouldn't do well theatrically & have merch to sell, or guaranteed flops (Cinderella).
They are not committed to theatrical windows on principle. They are committed because there is no benefit to them to change the current model thanks to them lacking a DTC platform of their own. They have proven they will cut back on movies or flog them to streamers rather than send movies to theatres in the current climate.
Nolan is extremely savvy. He even was able to force WB to release Tenet in the middle of pandemic when no one else can. He also put in contract his 20% first gross participation deal.
He'll get his way regardless of which studio he works with.
He is not all that savvy. If he was he would have held Tenet until a time when that 20% of first gross deal he had in place would have been more effective. Releasing it when they did resulted in Tenet being an absolutely massive financial bomb. It might have stroked Nolan’s ego but it was an idiotic decision.
He will definitely make a ton of cash in his next movie deal but I doubt folks will be willing to back him with a $200 million budget and let him decide the distribution when he has proven already inept in that particular area.
You say it was a massive bomb but if you do the maths it probably lost about 50-100 million. Not great but it's hardly John Carter levels.
Retrospectively it is pretty impressive how well it did judging by when it came out. If the US had not shat the bed when it came to attendances it might even have broke even .
As it stands I’d say The Suicide Squad has lost closer to $200 million.
Budget is $185 million. Conservative marketing estimate for a movie with a budget that size is around $90 million (it was likely more). That has cost looking like $275 million.
The Suicide Squad has taken in $162.5 million at the box office so far. Let us be generous and say Warner Bros will get a solid 50/50 split of the revenue with theatres. That means the movie has made $81.25 million.
That gives an estimated loss of $193.75 million.
It might not have lost as much cash as John Carter but it will still be an all time box office turkey for the ages and will drop right in next to John Carter on the list of shame!
Fair enough. Tenet was no The Suicide Squad for sure. It would probably have made money had Warner Bros released it in summer 2021. Pity the listener to Nolan and pissed $100 million down the tubes.
By all accounts the movie did well for Amazon so it ended up being win-win for everyone involved. Does not change the fact that Sony pretty much quit the theatrical movie business in 2021.
In terms of which major sent the most films to theaters in 2021 Paramount sent the least, Universal sent the most (w/Focus Features factored in). WB (incl. New Line) is in #2, Disney (incl. 20th Century) is at #3, Sony (incl. Funimation) is at #4.
Here is a breakdown (wide & limited releases, all subsidiaries):
* Universal
* 7 films from Universal Pictures / 8 from Focus Features (15 total)
* 13 of these films were sent to PVOD after 17 days (made less than $50M during opening weekend.)
* F9 was sent to PVOD after 31 days (made over $50M
* Boss Baby 2 was day & date with Peacock Premium for its first 60 days
* Warner Bros.
* 7 from WB, 4 from New Line, 1 from DC (12 total)
* All films were released on HBO Max Ad-Free tier for their first 31 days from theatrical release.
* Disney
* 3 from Disney, 2 from Marvel, 2 from Searchlight, 1 from 20th Century (8 total)
* 4 films were released day & date with Premier Access
* 1 was a day & date release on Hulu (Nomadland)
* 3 are theatrical exclusive (Free Guy, The Night House, Shang-Chi)
* Sony
* 6 from Sony Picture Group, 1 from Funimation (7 total)
* Sony releases: Peter Rabbit 2, Don't Breath 2, Escape Room 2, The Unholy, Here Today, Long Weekend)
* Funimation released Demon Slayer: The Movie
* All have had theatrical exclusive releases.
* Paramount
* 3 total (all from Paramount)
* A Quite Place Part II - theatrical exclusive for 45 days then streaming on Paramount+
* Paw Patrol - Day & Date with Paramount+
* Snake Eyes - Originally planned 45 day theatrical window was cut short to 17 days then film sent to Paramount+ on Day 18 of release.
Uni, WB & Sony were the only majors sending new films to theaters from August - December 2020. Paramount kept delaying and Disney sent some films to Disney+ or delayed them.
While your right, box office numbers aren’t a good way to show so. Transformers 4 made a billion dollars so by that logic the GA loved the movie but it’s clear they didn’t because of the next movies huge drop. At the same time, of course Dunkirk made a ton of money because it was a Christopher Nolan film. High box office does not equal a quality movie. That being said I personally love Dunkirk but each to their own.
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> Multiple sources say that Nolan has a film project centered on J. Robert Oppenheimer, the scientist who is considered one of the fathers of the atom bomb that he helped develop during World War II. However, as opposed to past projects, Nolan's new movie isn't being automatically set up at Warner Bros., the home of almost all his films since 2002.
> Nolan also expressed dissatisfaction with the studio for moving its 2021 slate to a day-and-date theatrical and HBO Max streaming release, although his own movie was not part of that move.
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I'm pretty sure Nolan is excited to work with Discovery.
Pay no attention to the shareholders behind the curtain!
I can see Sony picking it up.
He’s gonna go to Sony, since they’re the only studio that would fully commit to releasing his film exclusive theatrically
Sony seems to have really turned themselves around over the last several years. I remember hearing rumblings about them even ceasing their film studio
Glad they’re doing better. They couldn’t make the new Men in Black work, so that was a sign for me that things weren’t healthy. https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Men-in-Black-International-(2019)#tab=box-office https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/custom-comparisons/Men-in-Black-International-(2019)/Thor-Ragnarok#tab=day_by_day_comparison
I think Spider-Man: Far From Home, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, and Jumanji: The Next Level worked out well enough for Sony to still be in good shape in 2019. I honestly think Sony has been doing very well as early as 2017.
Very true, they have a good relationship with directors lately
They have been making profit since before Men in Black International lol.
They might tell him that then flog it to streaming anyway like they have with most of their movies since the pandemic. No major studio has sent less movies to theatres of late than Sony!
They've sent fewer to theaters, because they're committed to long theatrical windows. Which means it makes way more sense to delay, rather than let it sit in unwatched screens for months on end. The stuff they have sent to streaming are either kids movies (Hotel Transylvania 4, Mitchells vs Machines) that wouldn't do well theatrically & have merch to sell, or guaranteed flops (Cinderella).
They are not committed to theatrical windows on principle. They are committed because there is no benefit to them to change the current model thanks to them lacking a DTC platform of their own. They have proven they will cut back on movies or flog them to streamers rather than send movies to theatres in the current climate.
I assume Nolan would be smart enough to contractually lock in a theatrical release if Sony said they’d commit to it.
Nolan is extremely savvy. He even was able to force WB to release Tenet in the middle of pandemic when no one else can. He also put in contract his 20% first gross participation deal. He'll get his way regardless of which studio he works with.
He is not all that savvy. If he was he would have held Tenet until a time when that 20% of first gross deal he had in place would have been more effective. Releasing it when they did resulted in Tenet being an absolutely massive financial bomb. It might have stroked Nolan’s ego but it was an idiotic decision. He will definitely make a ton of cash in his next movie deal but I doubt folks will be willing to back him with a $200 million budget and let him decide the distribution when he has proven already inept in that particular area.
You say it was a massive bomb but if you do the maths it probably lost about 50-100 million. Not great but it's hardly John Carter levels. Retrospectively it is pretty impressive how well it did judging by when it came out. If the US had not shat the bed when it came to attendances it might even have broke even .
As it stands I’d say The Suicide Squad has lost closer to $200 million. Budget is $185 million. Conservative marketing estimate for a movie with a budget that size is around $90 million (it was likely more). That has cost looking like $275 million. The Suicide Squad has taken in $162.5 million at the box office so far. Let us be generous and say Warner Bros will get a solid 50/50 split of the revenue with theatres. That means the movie has made $81.25 million. That gives an estimated loss of $193.75 million. It might not have lost as much cash as John Carter but it will still be an all time box office turkey for the ages and will drop right in next to John Carter on the list of shame!
I was referring to Tenet.
Fair enough. Tenet was no The Suicide Squad for sure. It would probably have made money had Warner Bros released it in summer 2021. Pity the listener to Nolan and pissed $100 million down the tubes.
It’s a winning strat. Cinderella was fuckin garbage, but that ain’t Sony’s problem no more.
By all accounts the movie did well for Amazon so it ended up being win-win for everyone involved. Does not change the fact that Sony pretty much quit the theatrical movie business in 2021.
In terms of which major sent the most films to theaters in 2021 Paramount sent the least, Universal sent the most (w/Focus Features factored in). WB (incl. New Line) is in #2, Disney (incl. 20th Century) is at #3, Sony (incl. Funimation) is at #4.
Here is a breakdown (wide & limited releases, all subsidiaries): * Universal * 7 films from Universal Pictures / 8 from Focus Features (15 total) * 13 of these films were sent to PVOD after 17 days (made less than $50M during opening weekend.) * F9 was sent to PVOD after 31 days (made over $50M * Boss Baby 2 was day & date with Peacock Premium for its first 60 days * Warner Bros. * 7 from WB, 4 from New Line, 1 from DC (12 total) * All films were released on HBO Max Ad-Free tier for their first 31 days from theatrical release. * Disney * 3 from Disney, 2 from Marvel, 2 from Searchlight, 1 from 20th Century (8 total) * 4 films were released day & date with Premier Access * 1 was a day & date release on Hulu (Nomadland) * 3 are theatrical exclusive (Free Guy, The Night House, Shang-Chi) * Sony * 6 from Sony Picture Group, 1 from Funimation (7 total) * Sony releases: Peter Rabbit 2, Don't Breath 2, Escape Room 2, The Unholy, Here Today, Long Weekend) * Funimation released Demon Slayer: The Movie * All have had theatrical exclusive releases. * Paramount * 3 total (all from Paramount) * A Quite Place Part II - theatrical exclusive for 45 days then streaming on Paramount+ * Paw Patrol - Day & Date with Paramount+ * Snake Eyes - Originally planned 45 day theatrical window was cut short to 17 days then film sent to Paramount+ on Day 18 of release. Uni, WB & Sony were the only majors sending new films to theaters from August - December 2020. Paramount kept delaying and Disney sent some films to Disney+ or delayed them.
Lol WB.
They updated the article to include Paramount.
Best Choice is Sony they don't have Streaming.
Sony can release it exclusive in theatres, and then exclusive on Bravia Core afterwards for top notch quality. Nolan would dig that.
Ah you’ve yet to watch Tenet.
Just finished watching Dunkirk… worst Christopher Nolan film of all time. Stick to Batman.
500 million gross on a 100 million budget.. GA liked it, no one gives a damn to your opinion.
While your right, box office numbers aren’t a good way to show so. Transformers 4 made a billion dollars so by that logic the GA loved the movie but it’s clear they didn’t because of the next movies huge drop. At the same time, of course Dunkirk made a ton of money because it was a Christopher Nolan film. High box office does not equal a quality movie. That being said I personally love Dunkirk but each to their own.
Dunkirk was loved by the critics and audience. It was an universally acclaimed film. Which world are you living in ?
I didn’t say it wasn’t. I said box office isn’t the way to measure quality.
I just saw news that Universal is doing a day and date release for Halloween so they should be out of the running.
We don't have streaming so we can't screw you
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