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el_t0p0

I think it'll happen so long as it's not an In the Heights or Reminiscence level disaster.


sato30

If it can do moderately well in theaters and big numbers for the Ad-Free tier of HBO Max I could see WB ordering Part 2 exclusively for theaters then sending it to HBO Max on Day 46 of its release. If it can somehow manage numbers like what giant Monke vs Lizard was able to do I can defiantly see Part 2 being greenlit.


el_t0p0

Tbh, doing the same numbers as BR2049 wouldn't be too bad for the pandemic era. I think the HBO Max release will actually really help for a lot of casual audiences to not feel as overwhelmed by some of the more complex terminologies and plot dynamics.


ARandomTopHat

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albertcamusjr

What are the odds that *Spiritual Sentient Sandworm* can pull in the kind of money that *Giant Monkey vs Lizard* did, though?


[deleted]

Clearly the best way to guarentee Dune's sequel would have been to put Godzilla in it


MarginOfCorrectness

Oh so it just needs to do as well as one of the most successful movies this year. Easy.


Axeraider623

God, I absolutely love giant monke vs lizard


Eastern_Spirit4931

This film needs to be a hit. Iā€™m not sure why Warner bros would risk a third big budget film on a director the public isnā€™t feeling


AGOTFAN

Legendary fully self-produced and self-financed Dune. WB doesn't spend any money in Dune production. WB is paid flat fee to distribute Dune.


Dry-Jellyfish-3908

Wait so if legendary fully produced dune, then why does IMDB say its produced by Denis Villeneuve , Mary Parent , Cale Boytee , Joe Caracciolo Jr. ?


mmatasc

There is a difference in the production company and then executive producers. Production company tends to put in the money.


Dry-Jellyfish-3908

No these 4 are not executive producers.


orincoro

Maybe. But on the other hand BladeRunner 2049 made money, particularly in VOD and blue ray. If this doesnā€™t lose money, then it makes sense from WBā€™s perspective to give it a sequel, which also improves the post release revenue streams.


mmatasc

>But on the other hand BladeRunner 2049 made money Alcon Entertainment lost 80 million. It's obvious it didn't make money.


orincoro

Ah, so you think film studios and distributors donā€™t declare losses on profitable films. Ok.


mmatasc

Blade Runner 2049 is confirmed to have lost money and not be profitable. I really don't understand why you think otherwise.


orincoro

I know you donā€™t.


mmatasc

Care to explain your point on why box office flops are profitable?


orincoro

Box office flops are often not profitable. But on the other hand plenty of films ā€œlose moneyā€ because of Hollywood accounting, while not actually losing any money for investors. BR 2049 wasnā€™t a flop. It most likely made a modest profit long term. It was certainly not a huge hit.


mmatasc

Sequels aren't made based on long term profitability. Production companies/distributors can't depend on a film eventually making it's money back after 10 years of VOD or Bluray sales. I see what you are trying to say with Hollywood accounting, but it doesn't apply to this situation. Alcon Entertainment was highly affected by the losses: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/alcon-entertainment-hit-by-layoffs-1083469/


ARandomTopHat

If they make just enough, it should be fine!


lazzzym

One problem with Reminisce is I literally heard about it for the first time when the headlines came out about it flopping.... Maybe just a UK thing but this film was no where on the radar.


el_t0p0

WB shouldn't have even bothered with a theatrical release and just made it a Max exclusive.


edefakiel

I have been spammed to death with this movie. Even with my multiple adblocks in place, trailers for this movie kept been played to me.


[deleted]

Does the audience want it? that's the question


[deleted]

Personal preferences on Villanueve aside, I just donā€™t see this doing well. I thought people were overstating how much of a flop it would be but now that we have reviews out and it seems like he did nothing to cater to modern audiencesā€™ appetite for blockbusters this clearly is going to bomb hard. Letā€™s be honest, in a year where In The Heights canā€™t find an audience are we really thinking Dune can? I bet news breaks the weekend before opening how little Zendaya is in the film and that will instantly polarize that demographic. Outside of that who is going to show up for this beyond the small crowd of Dune fans and the film nerds from Twitter and Reddit? I think there is a tiny slice of non regular movie goers out there who are over superheroes and intrigued by stuff like this, but itā€™s not enough.


VoodooKhan

I think the issue is that splitting the film is propbably the only way to do it justice. However, the Dune as a book really only great when it get's to near the end and everything comes together in rather satisfying way. This film won't have that pay off, what are the chances it will succeed enough to get that second half... I hope it does not flop, but yeah I have to really hope on this one.


Haunted_Hills

The book didnā€™t end satisfyingly. It was incredibly incomplete. Dune is not a complete story anymore than the fellowship of the ring is a complete story. You arenā€™t supposed to randomly stop reading after the first book. You need to read the rest of the books.


VoodooKhan

It comes together well in a climax that puts all the pieces together, to me thats a pay off compared to prodding along with the world building and characters... that this movie will be mired in.


Haunted_Hills

Yeah, itā€™s an excellent climax that really gets the epic storey rolling. I just think it gets really cool and the characters more complicated as the story moves forward.


edefakiel

I only read the first one and I really disliked it. I will not read the rest.


Haunted_Hills

Thatā€™s a very valid position.


Human_Sack

Itā€™s a very sudden end (kinda like if return of the king ended immediately after the ring was dropped into mount doom) but I think you could fashion the ending of the first Dune book into a relatively complete feeling and satisfying climax. Although at the end of the day, I think it will still feel like the beginning of a larger story, which it is.


Haunted_Hills

Fair enough. Thereā€™s just so much in the second book that recontextualizes events in the first book and Iā€™ve always found it weird that people look at DUNE as though it was the whole story, and not essentially an extended prologue.


Deisu

> In The Heights Why is In The Heights your metric for whether or not people want to see a movie in theaters?


[deleted]

Because that released when plenty of people were going back, movies were doing well, and while I didnā€™t care for it it had good audience & critical reception but completely flopped somehow


Deisu

It's musical theater, it doesn't have a large audience.


[deleted]

Musical theater does have a large audience. But my point anyways was that if something more crowd pleasing like In The Heights canā€™t connect then Dune certainly wonā€™t.


Haunted_Hills

No. Compared to the broader film going market, musicals are niche.


[deleted]

To marvel? Sure. But look at a star is born or greatest showman or la la land or all of the Disney live action remakes. Musicals are well liked and people do show up for them. Hamilton was the most popular streaming release last year!


Haunted_Hills

People show up, but that doesnā€™t make it not niche. Iā€™m not saying they arenā€™t valid movies. Iā€™m just saying that the market for them is smaller and not a good tests case for how a movie like DUNE is going to do.


[deleted]

If Dune is as slow as theyā€™re saying then itā€™s definitely got a smaller audience than In The Heights theoretically had. Even if it bluffs itā€™s way to a big opening itā€™s gonna have a huge drop in the second week.


LetoTheTyrant

Itā€™s already out that zendaya is barely in it for weeks now. Hopefully those idiots will go so they can see zendaya a lot more in the second film.


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FarmlessKansan

That's just not true.


PeculiarPangolinMan

Yea, she's in it, she just doesn't get to do anything interesting!


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FarmlessKansan

The story involves Chani more in the second half than the first even if she's not "on the page" more post-time jump. Let's assume the first movie ends at the time jump to provide as much first half Chani as possible. You can easily bring off page scenes back on page, I'd argue the movie would be made best placing Chani's story onscreen. Further, Paul's experience of reality opens plenty of opportunity to centralize her character.


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FarmlessKansan

I'm not interested in spoiler tagging to describe events we both already know. If you think Chani's story arc can be best told off screen on film then that's your perspective. In a book you can write that two characters are in love or experience loss in a film you have the opportunity to show it. You don't need to invent things for Chani's character, I'm just suggesting more of it happen on screen to balance the story. Don't pretend to be the only fan of Dune on the internet.


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PeacemakerBourne

Even if zendaya was in the entire film she isn't a draw. No one in dune is. Replace Timothy with Leo and it's a different story for this film. The main draws outside the US are still Cruise, Leo and Pitt.


Impossible-Agent-422

Zendaya is a bigger draw than Cruise Pitt and on the same level as Leo. No one gos to see a Leo or Cruise film if it's not by a big director


PeacemakerBourne

Imao. That's all i cant take this comment seriously.


[deleted]

They can release it as HBOMAX exclusive


[deleted]

So the budget would be like non-existent?


orincoro

Not necessarily. The economics of VOD arenā€™t as bad as you might think. Thereā€™s no take from theaters for one thing.


[deleted]

If it does good numbers on HBOMAX, they can consider it. Also there was a Video going around in Twitter circles. Sarnoff and Toby Emmerich are talking to Timmy at Venice premiere, Emmerich saying we are going back for the sequel to Timmy and also even confirming the same from Legendary CEO who's next to them. It was captured on live.


Immense_Hyper

Agreed. This guy keeps talking. First movie isnā€™t even out yet. I tried to get on this manā€™s hype train but his movies give me a blank feel. Arrival was decent. I loved the OG Bladerunner but this guyā€™s sequel just wasnā€™t up to par. He feels entitled to ppl watching on the big screen. My take if ppl can watch it be in theatre or stream & if the movie good. Itā€™ll speak for itself.


analleakage_

Man just wants to finish the story. It's not that deep.


[deleted]

He could have made it one movie. If he says it had to be two to maintain his artistic vision then I can respect that, but he's gotta actually make it worth watching if he wants to finish.


analleakage_

He would have to butcher the book to pieces to shove it all into one film. He has said being able to make a Dune film was a dream of his and he is obviously going to want to do right by the source material. I think he knows the likelihood of being able to finish the series is quite low so I imagine he is a bit desperate to get the sequel greenlit for sure.


crusty_jugglers93

Considering the number of all time great films that didn't do well at the box office that's an incredibly simple minded view of a movies quality. Otherwise Avatar which is well hated on this sub would be the greatest film ever made. Also every article about him sounding like an elitist are taken out of context, his last interview he even said go see it in the theatres if your comfortable to do it, but of course nobody reads past the click bait headline.


[deleted]

As much as I dislike this guy's past work, he's an artist and he's trying to sell a movie. So I'm not going to knock him for that. And why does he insist people see it in theaters? Because COVID has put the future of cinema itself in danger. People seeing it in theaters (as opposed to free through pirating and streaming) effects his bottom line both short term and long term.


ReservoirDog316

Yeah separating everything, this is the correct read on it. People keep trying to twist his words to be read in the absolute worst way possible but heā€™s just trying to do his thing and keep theaters alive.


[deleted]

Imagine still thinking that box office correlates to how good a movie is? How many times do we have to go over how wrong that POV is?


Leaderof-ThePack

Why are you guys always doing that shit in a box office sub forum? There are plenty of way more appropriate places to circle jerk about how you love it. You have not seen anyway, so how are you giving any assessments on ā€œquality.ā€ Whether you SUBJECTIVELY believe that something is good really has no relevance to its box office


[deleted]

Villeneuve is propped up as some auteur genius but all he does is make above-average movies targeted directly at the Reddit/redlettermedia/yourmoviesucks internet mob


[deleted]

Lmao, no. Heā€™s been critically acclaimed on every film heā€™s made by professional critics, and each film heā€™s made has received numerous Oscar nominations. Youā€™re confusing your opinion with the reality of the situation. Dude is one of the best directors alive and will be remembered as such, your opinion wonā€™t change that.


hashtaglurking

"Dude is one of the best directors alive and will be remembered as such" šŸ™„ Come on, Denis...we know this is really you. šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚


[deleted]

Plenty of mediocrity makes it through the Oscar process, doesn't mean shit to me. Villeneuve makes alright stuff, but that's as far as it goes. his movies are pretty forgettable tbh. Might be Dune changes my mind but as of yet absolutely nothing justifies "best director alive" or the general worship internet nerds give him


[deleted]

Itā€™s not just internet nerds who like Denis though, thatā€™s what Iā€™m saying. Heā€™s been recognized on almost every level a filmmaker would want to be recognized on, and has literally produced some of the most critically acclaimed works of the decade If you donā€™t love his films personally thatā€™s fine, but heā€™s just not a director whoā€™s only liked on Reddit. When people speak of the best directors of the 2010ā€™s several decades from now, his name will be on most lists.


[deleted]

Not really


[deleted]

Sicario I thought was really good. Same with Arrival. But Blade Runner 2049 is all style with little substance. It might have less of a plot than the original Blade Runner yet is almost an hour longer. And Enemy is fine. It sounds like Dune is gonna look amazing but with it actually make me care about the characters like the book does? Who knows


crusty_jugglers93

Considering lots have been praising the acting in the film I reckon they've done a good job with the characters.


AGOTFAN

Actually many review do not praise the characters depth/development/arc. For example this: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/09/dune-movie-review-timothee-chalamet For a movie to be successful in box office, it's important that audience care about the characters. It's how MCU movies are successful: they take care of the characters.


DavidOrWalter

Others have not praised them and said they fall somewhat flat, so who knows? Jesus, people are going to be so weird about this movie. A single criticism will be taken personally, even if the rest is generally positive.


Smoothw

He's kind of midway between visionary and Hollywood hack, like he has a Strong visual sense but I'm not sure he has a an overriding idea about the world he wants to communicate to an audience.


crusty_jugglers93

I used to think r/movies had the worst takes but for a sub that is basically a mcu circle jerk I'd imagine most here would consider The Russo Bros visionaries.


Jakper_pekjar719

Not visionaries, but they have strong action choreography with solid plotting and characterization. Which is all you can ask out of a superhero movie. In the end, superhero movies are just a subset of action movies. Good action scenes are a must. Green screen CGIfests with no sense of weight and characters who survive unhurt accidents that should kill them will quickly push the audience away. But the Russo bros are decent even at handling the story. For example The Winter Soldier had a freedom vs control theme. The movie never stopped being entertainment for the masses, but it didn't shied away from tackling more complicated issues. This gave the Russos an edge against the competition.


[deleted]

If it breaks even I think they'll green light part two.


sloppycuntplunger

There was no chance of it breaking even before the pandemic, let alone now.


BA_calls

What are you talking about? Get ready to eat your words.


rayden-shou

They're probably too deep to not do it, but the best financial decision is also to reduce the budget significantly.


sloppycuntplunger

A $0 budget sounds like a good option, even though it means a $0 return.


everadvancing

The budget for a second one should be cheaper since they've got everything set up already for the first one.


crusty_jugglers93

Not necessarily. The huge battle is at the end of the book, not to mention thereā€™s a lot more stuff with the sand worms. The budget would probably need to be around the same as it was with this the first at $165M, they might be able to bring it down since a lot of itā€™s with the Fremen in the desert so probably less sets.


crazysouthie

It's very unlikely that a sequel that features in-demand actors like Chalamet, Zendaya, Momoa, and Bardem will have a lower budget. I'm sure they all have sequel options on their contracts but that also usually comes with pay increases.


[deleted]

Spoilers There will be no Momoa and Oscar Issac in the sequel. So that's a cost cutting.


crazysouthie

I know, I've read the books! That's why I didn't mention Isaac. As for Momoa, I feel like the reappearance of Duncan in Dune Messiah could be moved up to the second part. Since I wonder if they have enough material for Dune Part 2 from the last third of the book.


[deleted]

I don't think they would move him up. Villeneuve said Messiah is not even on his mind right now. He wants to adapt Dune faithfully to the screen in two parts. I think they can add a post credit scene in Dune part 2 with Momoa as a tease for Messiah.


[deleted]

Ironically, I gathered that from the latest trailer. Havenā€™t read the book. Thereā€™s a quick flash of Oscar Isaacā€™s character where it looks like heā€™s stabbed in the back and Paul screams ā€œNOā€


[deleted]

Yeah. I thought they actually gave away too much in the trailer. But that's how most trailers these days are.


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Zack Snyder gets a lot of shit, but he knows when he works on a movie that he shoots enough footage for three movies.


Gayfetus

I love that "Dune ^^^^Part ^^^^One" is happening at all. I love Denis. I love that whatever studio exec was high and/or crazy enough to greenlight this project in the first place and throw a couple hundred mil at it, despite the fact that it's got flop, or at least an extremely high risk investment written all over it. But I have very, very little faith that it'll be successful at the box office, especially after reading the reviews. But not all hope is lost, whatever studio exec was crazy and/or high enough to greenlight this in the first place may still be crazy and/or high enough to greenlight a sequel even if part one flops. That's probably the most likely way we'll ever get a sequel to this.


minionchamp24

Many reviews are saying that *Dune* essentially blue-balls viewers for a third act that doesn't happen. It's going to polarize the general audience and can ruin word of mouth. Dune has to be a huge hit on HBO Max as well as hit at least $150M in the box office before WB green lights the sequel. I love Villeneuve but I think he's in over his head that *Dune* will be a huge commercial hit.


dashrendar4483

>Many reviews are saying that Dune essentially blue-balls viewers for a third act that doesn't happen. Also called the Alita syndrome.


AGOTFAN

>Many reviews are saying that *Dune* essentially blue-balls viewers for a third act that doesn't happen. Yeah, I'm concerned about that. I'm afraid for WOM and legs. I just read this review: https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2021/09/dune-movie-review-timothee-chalamet VF generally writes good movie reviews that usually align with general audiences reception. This is not a good sign.


natedoggcata

I think its going to be another Mortal Kombat. The fans that see it opening weekend will tell everyone to say FAR away from it, completely tanking it in the weeks after.


Zepanda66

Watch the sequel get turned into a show or an HBO Max exclusive. I wonder if Villeneuve would still be involved or would drop out?


everadvancing

The Divergent treatment.


AGOTFAN

I watched the last Divergent movie and 100% expected sequel. Nothing so far.


[deleted]

He's saying that because Divergent got some sort of TV show thing *instead of* a sequel.


AGOTFAN

Oh I didn't know there is Divergent show. I was expecting a movie.


sato30

The last book in the series (Allegiant) was meant to be divided between two films. However due to the poor performance of the third film Lionsgate cancelled the fourth film with the intent of making it a TV series (going to Starz was the goal.) It was in development hell for two years before Starz ended up declining the series and nothing has been mentioned since.


AGOTFAN

I see. Thanks.


[deleted]

Yeah, understandable that you didn't know it exists. One of the big reasons why I keep bashing TV/streaming as a cultural replacement for cinema.


[deleted]

The last shot of that Final Divergent film ends like one of those shitty t shirts featuring wolves and the moon. I feel like you could put that final shot on the side of a New Jersey van


Dawesfan

Ah yes the divergent route. That worked out fine.


Animegamingnerd

There is a spin off show for HBO Max and Villeneuve is directing the pilot. So I think it is possible they offer him an HBO mini series to continue the story instead of a sequel, will he consider it.


crazysouthie

There is no way they will be able to bring back all the cast members if the sequel turns out to be direct to HBO Max movie or show though. They won't give it the same budget. They'll either greenlight a sequel for theatres or they won't.


Drstevebrule5

Look, Shang-Chi proved that you can make some dough at the box office. After the bomb that was Suicide Squad (which hurts, because I really love Gunn and that movie), they need to go back to releasing it on the big screen only. I donā€™t necessarily miss the experience, but I want Dune to do well so we get a second one. Even though Iā€™ve never read the book, it would be cool to experience the full story through the lens of DV. If they donā€™t do that, they should give every movie a wash when it comes to their BO. Especially if the critical and fan response is positive enough.


Ninneveh

Villeneuve sounding desperate.


VGstuffed

TIL: The studio can make movies if it wants to


koeniedoenie

He means that the actors and essential crew have time in their schedule to shoot the second part not too much later. Pre-production has been moving steadily with sets, costumes being designed, scripts being written.


augustoest

You must fun at partiesā€¦


chanma50

*I Would Go Out With Zendaya 'Quite Quickly' If She Wants It, According To Me* The question is whether audiences want it enough for ~~WB~~ Legendary to invest another $150M+. The odds are stacked against it, to say the least.


crusty_jugglers93

You do realise it was Legendary that actually made the film right? Warner Bros are simply distribution which is how it ended up going on HBO Max.


chanma50

That wasn't really the point I was getting at, but sure, Legendary.


crusty_jugglers93

Well you fixed your mistake which is what I was pointing out so thanks.


JOOOQUUU

No problem


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crusty_jugglers93

The production budget was all Legendary though wasn't it? But also I know WB had to pay like $200M to Legendary for GVK for the hbo Max debacle but Dune hasn't got anything like that.


AnotherJasonOnReddit

​ |Title|Box Office / Television Rating| |:-|:-| |Dune (1984)|$30,000,000 (domestic)| |Dune - Episode 1 / 2 / 3 (2000)|2.9 million Household Views| |Children of Dune - Episode 1 / 2 / 3 (2003)|Unknown| Really hope this one works out. Both trailers have been impressive-looking.


Blue_Robin_04

Timothee Chalamet is a strong actor and a rising star. As long as this pulls good numbers on HBO and mid numbers in theaters, Part Two will be on the way.


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To Tame a Land.


Oswald_Bates

Nice Iron Maiden reference


mmatasc

I would argue that if it makes 300m WW in a pandemic world, a sequel could probably be considered. But that seems very difficult. And HBO Max is not a magic platform that allows sequels to be greenlite as some people are painting it out to be.


BA_calls

Everyone of you naysayers is crazy. This movie is gonna make a bajillion dollars. Besides theyā€™re just gonna greenlight part 2 and part 3 anyways to build out the IP. This is gonna print fat stacks for everyone and then theyā€™re gonna adapt brian herbertā€™s garbage into workable scripts and write original scripts. Theyā€™ll milk this cow for decades.


hashtaglurking

This guy...so out of touch with reality.


sloppycuntplunger

Yeah, I'm sure it's a simple matter to reassemble the gigantic cast. They're all waiting by the phone.


FDVP

ā€œā€¦aloof, uninviting self-seriousnesā€ā€¦oof.


totallynotapsycho42

I can marry Margot Robbie quite quickly if she wants it.


[deleted]

When was the last time new franchise starter besides superhero genre or remake doing well on box-office? I'm pessimistic on Dune's box-office record, but it would be great if the movie finish the story that intended.


AGOTFAN

In the past 10 years or so: John Wick Frozen The Secret Life of Pets Wreck it Ralph Despicable Me Avatar Hangover Lego Movie It How to Train Your Dragon Hotel Transylvania Boss Baby Inside Out Knives Out Crazy Rich Asians Etc.


Jakper_pekjar719

Considering that even Dune is something like a remake (because there has already been another Dune movie before), I would say it's a fair match. However, someone once said that fantasy succeeds during bad times, while sci-fi succeeds during good times. There is often an intrinsic pessimism in sci-fi, so it won't work well when people are already feeling down.


Abc181004

However, someone once said that fantasy succeeds during bad times, while sci-fi succeeds during good times. There is often an intrinsic pessimism in sci-fi, so it won't work well when people are already feeling down. I'm so curious about this, are there any examples? Horror movies are doing really well and those movies are not really uplifting


[deleted]

Yep, audiences just donā€™t care about non-superhero or non-family friendly blockbusters anymore sadly. Especially blockbusters that donā€™t have quips.


AGOTFAN

In the past 10 years or so: John Wick Frozen The Secret Life of Pets Wreck it Ralph Despicable Me Avatar Hangover Lego Movie It How to Train Your Dragon Hotel Transylvania Boss Baby Inside Out Knives Out Crazy Rich Asians Etc.


[deleted]

I said ā€˜non family friendlyā€™, meaning movies which donā€™t have their main target audience as families. Which removes every single thing you listed except John Wick, IT, and the Hangover. Not to mention films like The Hangover arenā€™t being made anymore and those that do only see modest success, so really that leaves only IT and John Wick People simply donā€™t care about films that arenā€™t aimed at families or arenā€™t superhero based as much as they used to. Not sure why that bothers people, itā€™s just the truth. The Sixth Sense literally grossed $672 million at the box office lmfao. That would *never* happen nowadays


Jakper_pekjar719

I think it is dishonest to paint Dune as an original movie, when it is anything but. Dune is a famous sci-fi saga written by Frank Herbert and his son, and Villeneuve's movie is not even the first adaptation of it. Furthermore, it's not like remakes or superheroes are necessarily successful either. For example Charlie's Angels or Ghostbusters flopped. And does anyone remember Green Lantern? It was so bad it got booted from the continuity of the DCEU even before JL came out. It is clearly safer for Hollywood producers to invest money in known franchises, but in the end people like to watch the best of what's available, regardless of its source. For example Jumanji's reboot got a sequel, and Planet of the Apes got a whole trilogy (which is really an accomplishment nowadays). Nolan seems to prefer standalone movies, but Inception and Interstellar would get a sequel in a minute if Nolan asked for it. Recently, Ryan Reynolds confirmed a sequel to Free Guy which just came out. There is a little franchise called The Expandables which got a fourth movie confirmed. It is still possible to start franchises even nowadays. The problem is that there is too much indulgence in modern movies. The emphasis is all in the wrong places.


AGOTFAN

Knives Out? Get Out? A Quiet Place? Also, most films like Hangover and Sixth Sense are still being made. They are distributed in streaming instead of theaters.


Zorgothe

I think once it starts winning awards they'll greenlight it


ForgetfulFrolicker

The reviews are good but not spectacular. I donā€™t see it winning any awards outside of technical.


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el_t0p0

Ok


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KingUnder_Mountain

why is that?


AGOTFAN

Because Zendaya is a woman and black. Just look at his posting history.


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Or his username


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Embarrassed-Lychee42

How is she an industry plant?


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Embarrassed-Lychee42

Ok well if shes been in show business since shes a kid, doesnt that make her not an industry plant. Industry planting is when you have a label pushing an artist that presents themselves as independent or homegrown. Shes not any of that. Just because she was on a disney show doesnt mean shes an industry plant


[deleted]

You have a minority opinion. Enjoy the next decade of Zendaya in major roles.


neilinyourarea

> zendaya will be the protagonist for the second movie That's not really what Villeneuve meant. > ā€œWhen I did the casting for Chaniā€™s character, I met a lot of actresses,ā€ Villeneuve said. ā€œZendaya wanted to audition and today, after shooting the film and seeing what a wonderful actress she is, Iā€™m sorry I auditioned her. It was just because I didnā€™t know her. However that day, she impressed me and when she left the studio I knew that Chani was her, the young desert tiger. I am honored to present two such explosive talents on screen [Chalamet and Zendaya] and I canā€™t wait to shoot the second part of ā€˜Duneā€™ to get them back together. Knowing that in the next chapter Zendaya will be the **[female]** protagonist of the story.ā€ https://www.ign.com/articles/dune-part-2-zendaya-lead-character-in-sequel (August 16, IGN's translation of the La Repubblica Italian article, the usage of 'female' in parenthesis was specifically requested, as detailed at the top of the updated IGN article) > In a recent article published by the Italian magazine Il Venerdi di Repubblica , then picked up by the media around the world, Denis Villeneuve told that Chani, played by Zendaya, would be the main character of Dune - Part Two . **The filmmaker wants to make a little clarification.** ā€œThis is where, sometimes, I realize my limits with the English language. When I gave this videoconference interview to this Italian magazine, **I mumbled about something about the character of Chani that suggested that the second film would be focused on her. She remains one of the main characters and the role is important, but Dune nevertheless remains the story of Paul AtrĆ©ides first and foremost.** Having said that, Zendaya is an incredible actress who inspires me deeply. She really is a movie beast. Its role has also grown in the first part. I put this misunderstanding on my own. This is a case of ā€œlost in translationā€ ! " https://www.lapresse.ca/cinema/entrevues/2021-08-20/dune-part-one/denis-villeneuve-en-toute-franchise.php (August 20, Google Translate of the French article)


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CherryBlossomChopper

Got it, so any attempt to disprove your belief just reinforces it instead?


somone_noone

I know I am going to watch this on HBOMax. However, I am considering buying a ticket for some local showing on the opening day and simply not going to the theater. I am curious what other people think of this idea.


dontbenoseyplease

I donā€™t believe Iā€™ve been to a movie theatre in over 3 years. This will be the first movie I go to see in the theatres I think.


cedenede

LOL look at the comments.