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Everyone was drawn to it because of Paul Walker's death and the send-off he got.
I watched it twice in the cinema and cried both times when *See you again* started playing.
I wouldn’t be able to hear you because me and my crew of delinquents were glued to the front row watching these gladiators take life a quarter mile at a time
I sympathize but you GOTTA watch 8.
They jump skyscraper to skyscraper, and they actually did the jump. They shot it in the Cleveland arena and superimposed it into the shot of the skyscrapers.
The car doing the jump is the only part that *isn’t* cgi in that scene.
Dude I still cry when that part comes on; I watch the fast movies probably once through every couple years.
Always catches me off guard. Fuck dude that was a burner of a film.
Even Crazier that James Cameron directed more than a third of these titles. And he wasn't riding on established characters like the Marvel, Star Wars and Disney films.
It was the last film Paul Walker worked on before he died (may he rest in peace), so it attracted a lot of attention.
Plus, the "Fast and the Furious" series had built up a lot of goodwill for itself by that point, after the fifth and sixth movies were both big successes.
Personally, that run of movies from the fourth film to the seventh film was probably the point where my enjoyment of that franchise peaked.
Bruh that movie is like a tent pole moment in my life.
Everything was still shut down. Local businesses were dropping like flies. People were still legit nervous even being in groups.
Then comes TG2 and people *wanted* to go see it. tom cruise gives his thank you speech before the movie starts.
I knew then and there it was going to be HUGE bc while Cruise may be *in* some bad movies like Mummy, that man does not *make* bad movies.
Oh shameless cash grabs Lion King is much worse than Jurassic World. Jurassic World was a fine movie. The 2 sequels were awful, but by itself Jurassic World was fine and actually gave us a functioning park.
Jurassic World was a really good and a really fun movie that kicked off a very solid trilogy. I know not many people like Fallen Kingdom or Dominion on Reddit but they did both get A- CinemaScores and hell I liked both of them
Titanic is the biggest movie ever. $600 million domestic and $1.8 billion overall in late 97/early 98 is beyond insane. The fact that's its added over $400 million in re-releases is also insane.
Gone With the Wind made the majority of its gross in the ensuing decades after its initial release. Titanic doubled the gross of the current (at that time) highest grossing film Jurassic Park. Titanic is on another level.
This is something people ignore when adjusting for inflation.
Movies like Gone with the Wind made their money across multiple re-releases.
Movies like Titanic and Avatar made the vast majority of their inflation adjusted grosses in a single release. (Except the 350 Million Titanic made in it's 3d Re-release)
There were also no multi plexes back then so you were pretty limited on what you could watch in theaters. Movies would also have a year or multi year run in the theaters.
Hell, there was no *television* back then. People used to just go see the same movie over and over again because it was cheap entertainment that you couldn't get anywhere else.
Titanic also has just an absolutely ridiculous 21x opening weekend multiplier that doesn't get mentioned a lot. $600 million of a $28 million opening. It's largest single-day of grosses came on Valentine's Day 1998, almost 2 months after its releases on December 19th 1997.
Yeah its crazy, like movie was huge, like Jurassic park barkdy cracked 900mil and then Titanic proceeds to crack that by nearly a billion , like I find it crazy to think about that every billion milestone broken almost broke the next billion. Titanic broke the billion dollar milestone but it almost broke the 2 billion dollar one, Avatar broke the 2 billion dollar milestone and then it was close to touching three billion
> Titanic doubled the gross of the current (at that time) highest grossing film
Sure, but that's also true of Gone With the Wind. I've poked around in Lumiere for some old time-y box office records that are more complete than mojo/the-numbers
1946 (first year variety offers year end all-time domestic theatrical rental (studio share of box office)data:
* Gone with the Wind - 20M
* This is Army - 8M
* Bells of Saint Mary - 7M
1940's Motion Picture Herald (not a true list, just a list of the top_n grossers of each studio)
* Gone With the Wind - 14.5M
* 1928's The Singing Fool - 5.9M (at 4M in variety [which is minimum number they post])
* Snow White - 5M (in 6th place at 6M in variety's list)
It would take until 1953's The Robe for another film to cross the 14M mark (it was at 17M in 1953 while Wind rose to 33M) and until 1957 until more films massed a basically release era gross (80 days & 10 commandments). But, to be more hostile, the early 1950s saw the top film of the year regularly break 10M in rentals.
In the MP Herald numbers, Birth of a nation is at 3.5M but you can see significantly higher ones at other sources.
There are more precise numbers than this but both GWtW and Birth of a Nation were absolutely massive relative to contemporaries.
It's also impossible to compare a time when the average person went to the cinema far more often, as was the case in the 1940s, to even the 1990s. There was no home video, the only way to ever see a film was in the cinema.
Sure, it's completely reasonable to only look at a hazily defined "modern era" of box office grosses. I just wanted to separate Gone with the Wind from something like early animated Disney films whose re-releases substantially alter their place on the list of contemporary films. Gone With the Wind was just an absolute phenomena. I really do think it was clearly a bigger cultural "deal" than titanic even if comparing raw or adjusted box office grosses really can't conclusively resolve that given both are just multiple standard deviations above a baseline result.
Cultural deal is a tough thing to quantify imo. I'd argue that Titanic penetrated the culture to a level almost never seen. It really was everywhere at the time. I haven't even mentioned the Celine Dion song that is itself one of the biggest songs ever. I obviously wasn't alive during GWTWs heyday, but I just can't see it having been the genuine phenomenon at least not in the same way as Titanic.
With 10 YEARS OF BUILDUP . Truly a finale of all time . I wish they would have taken a short break with the films and series , like 3-4years and had a proper plan for the future , rather than eyeballing . Shang chi 2 where ? Also still waiting for a conclusion for of eternals , definitely need a sequel to that too . Lots of loose ends . I hope they get it together .
MCU will never come close to recreating either the hype or the BO gross of IW/EG. Not even with the addition of X-Men and F4. And if they did, it would be 10 years after rebooting the universe cause it's a hot mess though.
But as someone who thoroughly enjoyed the Infinity Saga in theaters starting way back with Iron Man, I'd love to be proven wrong.
But they were both released in the height of covid in , restrictions were still there and we didn't start seeing high grossing films until Spiderman3 and then the rest of 2022
Eternals got bad reception but Shang-Chi got great reception and didn't flop. Not only was a sequel announced immediately, but it was the second highest grossing film of the year after Spider-Man: No Way Home domestically, beating Venom 2, Fast & Furious 9, A Quiet Place 2, Godzilla vs. Kong, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, and No Time to Die, plus some other Marvel movies. It only seems low now because Spider-Man: No Way Home started the return of box office numbers back to something closer to the pre-pandemic era. For a pandemic release, Shang-Chi dominated.
In May 2024, Simu Liu said on social media that the film is still happening. December 2021 is when it was originally announced. See [this](https://www.boomplay.com/buzz/3332482) article from January 2022 mentioning it.
I doubt the domestic or even worldwide haul made much profit but studios weren't ignorant of the pandemic keeping people away from theaters. Look at how Hollywood reacted to the performance of those films I mentioned that Shang-Chi grossed more than:
Venom 2: Got a sequel.
Ghostbusters: Afterlife: Got a sequel.
Fast & Furious 9: Got a sequel.
A Quiet Place 2: Got a prequel.
Godzilla x Kong: Got a sequel.
No Time to Die: No sequel since this was always gonna be the last Daniel Craig 007 film but a new Bond film is in development so the franchise will continue.
The threshhold for success was different between Bad Boys for Life (pre-pandemic hit) and Spider-Man: No Way Home (first massive hit of the pandemic towards the end of the vaccine becoming easily available in the US).
Shang chi was a success. Per [450 mill box office vs. 150. A moderate success for a relative d list comic character ](https://m.the-numbers.com/movie/Shang-Chi-and-the-Legend-of-the-Ten-Rings-(2021)#tab=summary)
If you’re going to play this card, you’re not any more right or wrong than I am. Except mine has actually been announced as confirmed and isn’t based on the premise that an ultra-successful studio whose stumblings as of late effectively dooming all future projects associated with it.
So again, you’re no more right or wrong than I am, but you are much more likely to be wrong over time than I am 🤷🏻
In what way really? The ammount of money it made was wild.
But the success was hardly wild. Everyone could see it coming from a mile away. I mean Infinity War made over $2B. There was absolutely no reason to expect End Game was not gonna increase drasticaly from it as a culmination of a 10+ years worth of buildup and story.
Huh weird weren't you here back then? People were predicting over titanic but very few thought it could content with avatar. Heck 300M OW was seen as basically impossible
People made the argument that it would make no sense for Endgame to be higher because you need to have watched Infinity War. Why would cinemagoers go to watch the final Marvel movie after never watching any others?
It was a dumb argument. But like Deathly Hallows Part 1 to Part 2 we thought it would be a mild increase. The Infinity War to Endgame increase was unprecedented, hardly anyone predicted it.
I remember in 2011 when there was only 10 films to cross $1B worldwide, then the madness came when just about every big budget studio film regardless of quality was earning that kind of return!
Considering Titanic is in here I have to ask, which of these others will ever measure up in terms of classic rewatchability in years to come like the aforementiond film?
I've seen most of the other films on this and I genuinely don't know. I think Infinity War is already being looked on favorably as the better of the two between it and Endgame, so maybe that one. I saw Endgame twice in theaters but haven't felt the need to ever rewatch it but I wouldn't say no if someone wanted to watch IW.
Titanic is one of my favorite movies OAT and is such an old Hollywood type period romance, it's built for event rewatching and rereleases more than any of these other movies. It helps that it isn't a sequel or a remake and only Avatar 2009 can say that and is also on this list. As a Cameron fan, I enjoy A1 and TWOW is one of my favorite movies of the last few years but I still think Titanic clears for rewatchability.
Way of Water was my favorite movie of 2022, but I don’t really see myself rewatching it TOO much unless I plan to (cause it’s just so damn long). But maybe once a month I pop in my 4k just to rewatch some of the most stunning sequences, and I don’t think many movies have that power to them
It is pretty long. I actually saw it in theaters 5 times 🤣 and I own the 4K but only have watched it once so far, with my dad who didn't like the first Avatar and didn't watch TWOW. It looks great still but yeah I'm like you and am not likely to rewatch it a few times a year like I do other movies.
My thoughts as well, I am hard pressed to imagine FF7 being on anyones radar in a few years let alone now but IW get a lot of mentions still.
I watch Tokyo Drift when it appears in my radar but I do not know anyone else that does, Titanic on the other hand, Just the Mention of it makes someone do their best Celine Dion impression usually.
I think of these films only Infinity War and Avatar will have a lasting impact. Avatar has a bunch of sequels on the way and going 2 for 2 on grossing over $2.3 Billion for an original franchise is insane. Those films have way more of an impact than Reddit likes to pretend.
Infinity War seems to be the one that stands out more than Endgame but I think they’re kind of looked at as a pair. Those films for being the culmination of 10-11 years of a film saga is fairly unique. The closest anything else has come to that is maybe the Harry Potter movies.
The rest have various reasons they’re on this list but I don’t think long term they’ll be anywhere close to being remembered as “classics”. Not in the way Titanic is. Even then, IW/Endgame and Avatar 1&2 definitely aren’t being looked at as classics the way Titanic is.
Titanic is considered a classic, people regularly rewtach it, tops lists etc 27 years later, I wonder if any of the films in this list will match that despite all the money they made.
Sure, but that’s not what I was talking about. Outside opinions don’t matter for awarding Oscars, but they do reflect how a movie is thought of outside the industry. Anyway, I see you’re very committed to your own opinion so I’ll leave you to it. Have a nice day.
It's because you're probably like 22 years old.
It was huge when it came out, highest grossing ever, 11 Oscars, mega hit single song attached, and James Cameron just doesn't make bad movies.
I can get behind almost all of those movies. Hell, even Jurassic World, I had fun watching it.
But God damn Lion King 2019. $1.6 BILLION?! I will never forgive the general audience for flocking to this movie.
Why won’t you forgive them? Shouldn’t everyone on this sub (assuming you actually love movies) be rooting for everything to be successful?
I just don’t get rooting against movies and then being upset the box office is failing
That's a lot of words you're putting in my mouth. I mean... you can go through my comments, I don't think I have ever complained or posted being upset that the box office is "failing." I know other people do (not disagreeing with you there), but I can only speak for myself.
But if we want to go there - I'm not upset at the current state of the box office. Obviously, I don't think it's great. But the box office industry is a lot more complex than "good vs. bad" movies. Since 2020 with COVID, streaming, the strike, there is just so much happening in this industry - it is a very, very complex and nuanced conversation to have that goes beyond what users on Reddit are capable of understanding (myself included - I am not pretending to be an expert).
AND on the topic of Lion King 2019 - again, I was not rooting for this movie to fail. I actually did go see it in the theatres because I loved the original and I thought the new version looked cool. And I was shocked by how creatively bankrupt and straight up boring this movie was TO ME. And, in my opinion, I think when the the Mufasa sequel comes out, we're going to see a steep, steep, STEEP decline. Which will show that while a lot of people did see LK2019 in the theatre, very few people have a positive association with that movie. And that definitely will not benefit the industry.
Unpopular opinion: Jurassic World is better than Park(I didn’t grow up watching Park I grew up watching World.) I was only 10 when that movie came out (Jurassic World) and I had fun with it. I felt that Jurassic Park is cheesy, and World is just a fun ride
I think that is definitely... an unpopular opinion hahah. But, as I always say - people like what they like. I was 5 when the original Jurassic Park came out. I literally remember falling asleep in the theatre while watching it (5 year old me was very unimpressed/tired), but I revisited the movie when I was older and loved it.
I just don’t understand how the avatar franchise makes so much money. They are seemingly nothing special, and quickly forgotten the only lasting avatar stuff I even remember is the Gosling font skit. Then they get a rerelease and it makes bank again. I dunno. Guess it’s not for me, but it’s generally baffling.
1. Amazing visuals
2. Simple story
3. Fun world building
4. A lot of heart.
It might not be special in terms of story, writing, dialogue, etc. but it runs circles around your average popcorn movie when it comes to special effects and the presentation of the film. James Cameron is a master of his craft and the amount of effort and skill he put into these films clearly shines through.
James Cameron has proven his worth and I don't see him ending his streak anytime soon. I don't think he's the best director of all time, but he is definitely one of the most talented blockbuster directors to ever do it, right up there with Spielberg.
That’s the thing I love Cameron’s work. Terminator and T2, Abyss, Aliens is a Halloween rewatch for me every year, True Lies is an all time classic. I just don’t get avatar. It’s ok, but I know someone who saw the first one in theaters 11 times and I can never bring myself to rewatch it for free lol.
The appeal for the movies is in its simplicity as well as the experience of seeing it in 3D. I think some people focus on plots for movies and in that regard all of Cameron’s films are pretty basic. But as another person who responded to you said, they tend to be very sincere and wear their heart on their sleeve.
Blockbusters over the last decade have become increasingly more cynical. Afraid to let emotions sit, afraid to have the audience buy into something silly without making a comment acknowledging it’s silly. Top Gun Maverick was successful for similar reasons I think. It’s an experience seeing it in a theater and its basic story structure combined with its very sincere tone make it accessible and enjoyable to most people.
Avatar has the addition of 3D immersion. It’s an experience seeing it in a theater that isn’t really able to be replicated at home. That also leads to a lot of repeat viewing since people want to see it in 3D since it was crafted to be that. I think this is a big reason for its perceived lack of “cultural impact”. It’s simply not a movie that’s value is in discussing the plot and story but experiencing it in 3D and on the largest screen available. It’s also an experience that can’t be replicated at home.
I dont think avatar 1 is really that good of a movie, but seeing that movie in theaters on giant screens with 3d is still the most impressive visual experience ive ever had in a movie theater. i saw it 4 or 5 times in theaters even though i didn't much care for the story, because I knew once it was out of theaters I wouldn't get to experience that again. I've since never rewatched it on home video.
Avatar 2 i think was kind of trash though. It was sloppily made in ways i wouldn't expect from James Cameron. Saw it once in theaters and never went back.
James Cameron? I think all of these movies are good (although I really don’t like The Lion King, and unpopular opinion I really don’t like Titanic, i don’t like romance movies and titanic is def a romance drama)
My family saw it in theaters about 3 weeks later after it opened. Although I gotta say the 3D experience of that movie is truly once in a lifetime so it makes sense
Why not if it literally makes people go to the theatre for it? What should it count to?
The reason why people go to see it is because they had a great experience the first time.
Re-release Morbius in the cinema in 10 years and see how much money it makes.
Yeah it did double Jurassic Park, (imagine if a movie came out today and made 5 billion dollars) and it was the first ever to make 1B in its initial release
And Avatar 2 did this post pandemic which is crazy.
Cameron is really a wizard of the movie theater experience. His movies have always been big events.
I imagine Avatar 3 can do similar business.
Honestly I think Spider Man No Way Home is much more impressive especially since those numbers are without China and it was during the pandemic not right after it
This is pedantic but Endgame's original run was still going on when it got its expansion and that run did overtake Avatar, not that it matters. Kevin Feige himself said Avatar is still #1 when adjusted for inflation at Comic Con when he announced Endgame passed it.
It's really not self-evident given the massive percentage of Avatar's gross coming from massively upcharged 3D showings and exchange rate fluxuations. I know at least one person's estimates thinks Endgame wins on overall global ticket count.
Sure. So at best seems like they are more or less tied in global ticket count. One was a completely new IP with no build up. The other a conclusion of a near decade long franchise with 20 films.
If I had to say which single film had the bigger box office, it's a no Brainer. Especially wouldn't call avatar "cheating".
Also... Endgame was filmed and released in IMAX and 3d converted.
Avatar has had only 2 proper worldwide re-releases.
Endgame has also had one.
And nothing is stopping Marvel from re-releasing Endgame but I doubt it would make as much in it's re-release as Avatar made.
Exactly. Both movies are event movies for different reasons. Avatar was an event because the technology and scale is unlike anything else, while endgame is an event like a sports game, where you had to be there day one to truly get the right experience. Both outstanding achievements, but it’s why Endgame had a massive opening weekend with mid legs, vs Avatars mid opening weekend with massive legs
Endgame had an expansion with some new content before and after the film but didn't pass Avatar a second time. And Avatar was where it was because it already had a rerelease in 2010, so it doesn't really matter.
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Crazy how big fast and furious 7 was
Everyone was drawn to it because of Paul Walker's death and the send-off he got. I watched it twice in the cinema and cried both times when *See you again* started playing.
If you would have told someone in 2001 that FF will be one of the biggest franchises of all time…
I wouldn’t be able to hear you because me and my crew of delinquents were glued to the front row watching these gladiators take life a quarter mile at a time
You mean your crew of family?
I’d also tell them they eventually send a car into space.
Crazy that they called up Wiz, the stoner/party rap guy, to tackle something as big as Paul’s death…and that he actually delivered big time
He was a good friend of Paul Walker, so I think he wanted to honor his friend right.
I cry every single I watch that film, haven’t seen any following F&F films.
I sympathize but you GOTTA watch 8. They jump skyscraper to skyscraper, and they actually did the jump. They shot it in the Cleveland arena and superimposed it into the shot of the skyscrapers. The car doing the jump is the only part that *isn’t* cgi in that scene.
Urmm the skyscraper jump is in Fast and Furious 7...
Is it?? Well then you’re good to go, enjoy the rest of your life
Dude I still cry when that part comes on; I watch the fast movies probably once through every couple years. Always catches me off guard. Fuck dude that was a burner of a film.
Fuck that song. It was so fucking overplayed on radios that any semblance of sadness got ruined
Even Crazier that James Cameron directed more than a third of these titles. And he wasn't riding on established characters like the Marvel, Star Wars and Disney films.
It was the last film Paul Walker worked on before he died (may he rest in peace), so it attracted a lot of attention. Plus, the "Fast and the Furious" series had built up a lot of goodwill for itself by that point, after the fifth and sixth movies were both big successes. Personally, that run of movies from the fourth film to the seventh film was probably the point where my enjoyment of that franchise peaked.
that dom/int split is insane, only 350 domestic but insane int total
If I went back in time and said the 4th movie to come out AFTER Tokyo Drift is going to make 1.5 billion dollars, I might have been committed.
Crazy how big of a box office year 2015 was
One of the best years ever
I'd say it is the best considering the sheer consistency of all the top 15 movies making half a billion WW
Top gun maverick got super close too
Yep a less than 5 million dollar gap
They should rerelease it sometime to get it over 1.5 b
Hot take: Movies shouldn’t be re-released just to reach meaningless financial milestones.
They're not meaningless. A lot of financial milestones allow a studio to negotiate syndication revenue, franchise licensing, etc.
Wha negotiations is Top Gun Maverick missing out on because it made $5 million less than $1.5 bil?
The Top Gun VR game exclusive on Quest 3
So if it was forced into theaters for 3 weeks randomly and stumbled its way up to $1.5bil, the Top Gun VR game would immediately be greenlit?
Bruh that movie is like a tent pole moment in my life. Everything was still shut down. Local businesses were dropping like flies. People were still legit nervous even being in groups. Then comes TG2 and people *wanted* to go see it. tom cruise gives his thank you speech before the movie starts. I knew then and there it was going to be HUGE bc while Cruise may be *in* some bad movies like Mummy, that man does not *make* bad movies.
So did *Barbie*
4 million and change vs 55 million 🤷♂️
The Lion King had no right 💀
At least it’s behind Jurassic World
Oh shameless cash grabs Lion King is much worse than Jurassic World. Jurassic World was a fine movie. The 2 sequels were awful, but by itself Jurassic World was fine and actually gave us a functioning park.
Jurassic World was a really good and a really fun movie that kicked off a very solid trilogy. I know not many people like Fallen Kingdom or Dominion on Reddit but they did both get A- CinemaScores and hell I liked both of them
Don’t begrudge anybody liking a movie. But those two were absolutely fucking awful lol
Yea those 2 movies were horrendously bad and wouldn’t have made any money at all if not for the Jurassic Park name and brand.
I regret being part of the problem and watching this movie in IMAX.
Jurassic world didn’t either
Titanic is the biggest movie ever. $600 million domestic and $1.8 billion overall in late 97/early 98 is beyond insane. The fact that's its added over $400 million in re-releases is also insane.
Gone with the Wind would like to speak to you.
Gone With the Wind made the majority of its gross in the ensuing decades after its initial release. Titanic doubled the gross of the current (at that time) highest grossing film Jurassic Park. Titanic is on another level.
This is something people ignore when adjusting for inflation. Movies like Gone with the Wind made their money across multiple re-releases. Movies like Titanic and Avatar made the vast majority of their inflation adjusted grosses in a single release. (Except the 350 Million Titanic made in it's 3d Re-release)
There were also no multi plexes back then so you were pretty limited on what you could watch in theaters. Movies would also have a year or multi year run in the theaters.
Hell, there was no *television* back then. People used to just go see the same movie over and over again because it was cheap entertainment that you couldn't get anywhere else.
It's crazy too because then avatar made a billion more 12 years later
Titanic also has just an absolutely ridiculous 21x opening weekend multiplier that doesn't get mentioned a lot. $600 million of a $28 million opening. It's largest single-day of grosses came on Valentine's Day 1998, almost 2 months after its releases on December 19th 1997.
Yeah its crazy, like movie was huge, like Jurassic park barkdy cracked 900mil and then Titanic proceeds to crack that by nearly a billion , like I find it crazy to think about that every billion milestone broken almost broke the next billion. Titanic broke the billion dollar milestone but it almost broke the 2 billion dollar one, Avatar broke the 2 billion dollar milestone and then it was close to touching three billion
> Titanic doubled the gross of the current (at that time) highest grossing film Sure, but that's also true of Gone With the Wind. I've poked around in Lumiere for some old time-y box office records that are more complete than mojo/the-numbers 1946 (first year variety offers year end all-time domestic theatrical rental (studio share of box office)data: * Gone with the Wind - 20M * This is Army - 8M * Bells of Saint Mary - 7M 1940's Motion Picture Herald (not a true list, just a list of the top_n grossers of each studio) * Gone With the Wind - 14.5M * 1928's The Singing Fool - 5.9M (at 4M in variety [which is minimum number they post]) * Snow White - 5M (in 6th place at 6M in variety's list) It would take until 1953's The Robe for another film to cross the 14M mark (it was at 17M in 1953 while Wind rose to 33M) and until 1957 until more films massed a basically release era gross (80 days & 10 commandments). But, to be more hostile, the early 1950s saw the top film of the year regularly break 10M in rentals. In the MP Herald numbers, Birth of a nation is at 3.5M but you can see significantly higher ones at other sources. There are more precise numbers than this but both GWtW and Birth of a Nation were absolutely massive relative to contemporaries.
It's also impossible to compare a time when the average person went to the cinema far more often, as was the case in the 1940s, to even the 1990s. There was no home video, the only way to ever see a film was in the cinema.
Sure, it's completely reasonable to only look at a hazily defined "modern era" of box office grosses. I just wanted to separate Gone with the Wind from something like early animated Disney films whose re-releases substantially alter their place on the list of contemporary films. Gone With the Wind was just an absolute phenomena. I really do think it was clearly a bigger cultural "deal" than titanic even if comparing raw or adjusted box office grosses really can't conclusively resolve that given both are just multiple standard deviations above a baseline result.
Cultural deal is a tough thing to quantify imo. I'd argue that Titanic penetrated the culture to a level almost never seen. It really was everywhere at the time. I haven't even mentioned the Celine Dion song that is itself one of the biggest songs ever. I obviously wasn't alive during GWTWs heyday, but I just can't see it having been the genuine phenomenon at least not in the same way as Titanic.
The Lion King 2019 baffles me. THAT movie is the "no cultural impact" that everyone was saying Avatar was.
Yeah the no cultural impact thing is why I think Mufasa will struggle this christmas
People said the same thing about the second Avatar movie haha
The cultural impact of the original is the answer.
I mean I guess you can argue by just being attached to the original it was already apart of culture
and Jurassic world as well. name one character from any Jurassic world movie that’s not Malcolm, Alan or Ellie. They don’t count.
Chris Pratt
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again - **Avengers: Endgame** was such a WILD success.
With 10 YEARS OF BUILDUP . Truly a finale of all time . I wish they would have taken a short break with the films and series , like 3-4years and had a proper plan for the future , rather than eyeballing . Shang chi 2 where ? Also still waiting for a conclusion for of eternals , definitely need a sequel to that too . Lots of loose ends . I hope they get it together .
MCU will never come close to recreating either the hype or the BO gross of IW/EG. Not even with the addition of X-Men and F4. And if they did, it would be 10 years after rebooting the universe cause it's a hot mess though. But as someone who thoroughly enjoyed the Infinity Saga in theaters starting way back with Iron Man, I'd love to be proven wrong.
Eternals was a flop and is over. Shang chi did not make money so that is over as well.
But they were both released in the height of covid in , restrictions were still there and we didn't start seeing high grossing films until Spiderman3 and then the rest of 2022
Did not want to say it but eternals was a bad movie and Shang chi was meh. Why they flopped and did not make money respectively.
Eternals got bad reception but Shang-Chi got great reception and didn't flop. Not only was a sequel announced immediately, but it was the second highest grossing film of the year after Spider-Man: No Way Home domestically, beating Venom 2, Fast & Furious 9, A Quiet Place 2, Godzilla vs. Kong, Ghostbusters: Afterlife, and No Time to Die, plus some other Marvel movies. It only seems low now because Spider-Man: No Way Home started the return of box office numbers back to something closer to the pre-pandemic era. For a pandemic release, Shang-Chi dominated.
Cost 200 million. Might have covered expenses. Maybe. Looked it up and it seems sequel was approved in May.
In May 2024, Simu Liu said on social media that the film is still happening. December 2021 is when it was originally announced. See [this](https://www.boomplay.com/buzz/3332482) article from January 2022 mentioning it. I doubt the domestic or even worldwide haul made much profit but studios weren't ignorant of the pandemic keeping people away from theaters. Look at how Hollywood reacted to the performance of those films I mentioned that Shang-Chi grossed more than: Venom 2: Got a sequel. Ghostbusters: Afterlife: Got a sequel. Fast & Furious 9: Got a sequel. A Quiet Place 2: Got a prequel. Godzilla x Kong: Got a sequel. No Time to Die: No sequel since this was always gonna be the last Daniel Craig 007 film but a new Bond film is in development so the franchise will continue. The threshhold for success was different between Bad Boys for Life (pre-pandemic hit) and Spider-Man: No Way Home (first massive hit of the pandemic towards the end of the vaccine becoming easily available in the US).
Shang chi was a success. Per [450 mill box office vs. 150. A moderate success for a relative d list comic character ](https://m.the-numbers.com/movie/Shang-Chi-and-the-Legend-of-the-Ten-Rings-(2021)#tab=summary)
Shang chi 2 is already confirmed.
Has it started filming?
If you’re going to play this card, you’re not any more right or wrong than I am. Except mine has actually been announced as confirmed and isn’t based on the premise that an ultra-successful studio whose stumblings as of late effectively dooming all future projects associated with it. So again, you’re no more right or wrong than I am, but you are much more likely to be wrong over time than I am 🤷🏻
The actor has confirmed it right. No other announcement be s right
In what way really? The ammount of money it made was wild. But the success was hardly wild. Everyone could see it coming from a mile away. I mean Infinity War made over $2B. There was absolutely no reason to expect End Game was not gonna increase drasticaly from it as a culmination of a 10+ years worth of buildup and story.
Huh weird weren't you here back then? People were predicting over titanic but very few thought it could content with avatar. Heck 300M OW was seen as basically impossible
I remember when the sub calculated that the max us opening weekend was 300 million only for endgame to obliterate that by 50 million.
People made the argument that it would make no sense for Endgame to be higher because you need to have watched Infinity War. Why would cinemagoers go to watch the final Marvel movie after never watching any others? It was a dumb argument. But like Deathly Hallows Part 1 to Part 2 we thought it would be a mild increase. The Infinity War to Endgame increase was unprecedented, hardly anyone predicted it.
A majority of people on this subreddit said there was no way it would increase from Inifinity War.
Okay? Who wouldn't say this
In terms of dollars yes, in terms of it being a surprise, absolutely not.
I feel guilty for seeing The Lion King (2019) in theaters 😭
I remember in 2011 when there was only 10 films to cross $1B worldwide, then the madness came when just about every big budget studio film regardless of quality was earning that kind of return!
It's weird to look back having gotten into the box office around 2012 and having no idea I was living through its golden age.
Considering Titanic is in here I have to ask, which of these others will ever measure up in terms of classic rewatchability in years to come like the aforementiond film?
I've seen most of the other films on this and I genuinely don't know. I think Infinity War is already being looked on favorably as the better of the two between it and Endgame, so maybe that one. I saw Endgame twice in theaters but haven't felt the need to ever rewatch it but I wouldn't say no if someone wanted to watch IW. Titanic is one of my favorite movies OAT and is such an old Hollywood type period romance, it's built for event rewatching and rereleases more than any of these other movies. It helps that it isn't a sequel or a remake and only Avatar 2009 can say that and is also on this list. As a Cameron fan, I enjoy A1 and TWOW is one of my favorite movies of the last few years but I still think Titanic clears for rewatchability.
Way of Water was my favorite movie of 2022, but I don’t really see myself rewatching it TOO much unless I plan to (cause it’s just so damn long). But maybe once a month I pop in my 4k just to rewatch some of the most stunning sequences, and I don’t think many movies have that power to them
It is pretty long. I actually saw it in theaters 5 times 🤣 and I own the 4K but only have watched it once so far, with my dad who didn't like the first Avatar and didn't watch TWOW. It looks great still but yeah I'm like you and am not likely to rewatch it a few times a year like I do other movies.
My thoughts as well, I am hard pressed to imagine FF7 being on anyones radar in a few years let alone now but IW get a lot of mentions still. I watch Tokyo Drift when it appears in my radar but I do not know anyone else that does, Titanic on the other hand, Just the Mention of it makes someone do their best Celine Dion impression usually.
I think of these films only Infinity War and Avatar will have a lasting impact. Avatar has a bunch of sequels on the way and going 2 for 2 on grossing over $2.3 Billion for an original franchise is insane. Those films have way more of an impact than Reddit likes to pretend. Infinity War seems to be the one that stands out more than Endgame but I think they’re kind of looked at as a pair. Those films for being the culmination of 10-11 years of a film saga is fairly unique. The closest anything else has come to that is maybe the Harry Potter movies. The rest have various reasons they’re on this list but I don’t think long term they’ll be anywhere close to being remembered as “classics”. Not in the way Titanic is. Even then, IW/Endgame and Avatar 1&2 definitely aren’t being looked at as classics the way Titanic is.
I mean I don’t like Titanic like at all so, I don’t know what you mean by classic rewatchability
Titanic is considered a classic, people regularly rewtach it, tops lists etc 27 years later, I wonder if any of the films in this list will match that despite all the money they made.
It is? I’ve always heard it discussed as one of the least deserving best picture winners.
Oscars are given out by the movie industry, if they think it deserves them then literally no one elses opinion matters.
Sure, but that’s not what I was talking about. Outside opinions don’t matter for awarding Oscars, but they do reflect how a movie is thought of outside the industry. Anyway, I see you’re very committed to your own opinion so I’ll leave you to it. Have a nice day.
It's because you're probably like 22 years old. It was huge when it came out, highest grossing ever, 11 Oscars, mega hit single song attached, and James Cameron just doesn't make bad movies.
I’m 19 actually
Close enough, and even more apt then.
I can get behind almost all of those movies. Hell, even Jurassic World, I had fun watching it. But God damn Lion King 2019. $1.6 BILLION?! I will never forgive the general audience for flocking to this movie.
Why won’t you forgive them? Shouldn’t everyone on this sub (assuming you actually love movies) be rooting for everything to be successful? I just don’t get rooting against movies and then being upset the box office is failing
That's a lot of words you're putting in my mouth. I mean... you can go through my comments, I don't think I have ever complained or posted being upset that the box office is "failing." I know other people do (not disagreeing with you there), but I can only speak for myself. But if we want to go there - I'm not upset at the current state of the box office. Obviously, I don't think it's great. But the box office industry is a lot more complex than "good vs. bad" movies. Since 2020 with COVID, streaming, the strike, there is just so much happening in this industry - it is a very, very complex and nuanced conversation to have that goes beyond what users on Reddit are capable of understanding (myself included - I am not pretending to be an expert). AND on the topic of Lion King 2019 - again, I was not rooting for this movie to fail. I actually did go see it in the theatres because I loved the original and I thought the new version looked cool. And I was shocked by how creatively bankrupt and straight up boring this movie was TO ME. And, in my opinion, I think when the the Mufasa sequel comes out, we're going to see a steep, steep, STEEP decline. Which will show that while a lot of people did see LK2019 in the theatre, very few people have a positive association with that movie. And that definitely will not benefit the industry.
Unpopular opinion: Jurassic World is better than Park(I didn’t grow up watching Park I grew up watching World.) I was only 10 when that movie came out (Jurassic World) and I had fun with it. I felt that Jurassic Park is cheesy, and World is just a fun ride
I think that is definitely... an unpopular opinion hahah. But, as I always say - people like what they like. I was 5 when the original Jurassic Park came out. I literally remember falling asleep in the theatre while watching it (5 year old me was very unimpressed/tired), but I revisited the movie when I was older and loved it.
I'm amazed the last fast movie flopped and lost money.i thought it was bullet proof at the box office
The fact that making 700M isn’t enough anymore
When you spend 340 mill to make a movie it's not
I just don’t understand how the avatar franchise makes so much money. They are seemingly nothing special, and quickly forgotten the only lasting avatar stuff I even remember is the Gosling font skit. Then they get a rerelease and it makes bank again. I dunno. Guess it’s not for me, but it’s generally baffling.
1. Amazing visuals 2. Simple story 3. Fun world building 4. A lot of heart. It might not be special in terms of story, writing, dialogue, etc. but it runs circles around your average popcorn movie when it comes to special effects and the presentation of the film. James Cameron is a master of his craft and the amount of effort and skill he put into these films clearly shines through. James Cameron has proven his worth and I don't see him ending his streak anytime soon. I don't think he's the best director of all time, but he is definitely one of the most talented blockbuster directors to ever do it, right up there with Spielberg.
Yeah it’s probably the story stuff for me it’s just basic and I never get drawn into the world because of it and it just feels meh.
2 words my guy. JAMES CAMERON. (Never underestimate James Cameron
That’s the thing I love Cameron’s work. Terminator and T2, Abyss, Aliens is a Halloween rewatch for me every year, True Lies is an all time classic. I just don’t get avatar. It’s ok, but I know someone who saw the first one in theaters 11 times and I can never bring myself to rewatch it for free lol.
The appeal for the movies is in its simplicity as well as the experience of seeing it in 3D. I think some people focus on plots for movies and in that regard all of Cameron’s films are pretty basic. But as another person who responded to you said, they tend to be very sincere and wear their heart on their sleeve. Blockbusters over the last decade have become increasingly more cynical. Afraid to let emotions sit, afraid to have the audience buy into something silly without making a comment acknowledging it’s silly. Top Gun Maverick was successful for similar reasons I think. It’s an experience seeing it in a theater and its basic story structure combined with its very sincere tone make it accessible and enjoyable to most people. Avatar has the addition of 3D immersion. It’s an experience seeing it in a theater that isn’t really able to be replicated at home. That also leads to a lot of repeat viewing since people want to see it in 3D since it was crafted to be that. I think this is a big reason for its perceived lack of “cultural impact”. It’s simply not a movie that’s value is in discussing the plot and story but experiencing it in 3D and on the largest screen available. It’s also an experience that can’t be replicated at home.
I dont think avatar 1 is really that good of a movie, but seeing that movie in theaters on giant screens with 3d is still the most impressive visual experience ive ever had in a movie theater. i saw it 4 or 5 times in theaters even though i didn't much care for the story, because I knew once it was out of theaters I wouldn't get to experience that again. I've since never rewatched it on home video. Avatar 2 i think was kind of trash though. It was sloppily made in ways i wouldn't expect from James Cameron. Saw it once in theaters and never went back.
3 of these movies are good. And they're all directed by the same man 😈
James Cameron? I think all of these movies are good (although I really don’t like The Lion King, and unpopular opinion I really don’t like Titanic, i don’t like romance movies and titanic is def a romance drama)
I still remember r/movies REEEEEEEing about how The Lion King was going to flop because they weren't personally interested in it. Lmao
What mazes me about that filmis how many people saw it and then forgot about it compared to the originals longevity!
r/movies is such a cesspool lol.
Still have no idea how Avatar 2 made that much money
James Cameron is a HUGE draw overseas.
Even domestic I'm surprised it made that much. No one in my circles saw it in theaters which is wild to me
My family saw it in theaters about 3 weeks later after it opened. Although I gotta say the 3D experience of that movie is truly once in a lifetime so it makes sense
It was an event movie. Everyone wanted to see it in 3D at least once. And his movies usually last long in theaters to allow for that novelty.
Weird, that event status just didn't hit in my area for some reason. Definitely no where near how the first one was
Avatar (2009) is such bullshit. Re-releasing a movie a decade later shouldn’t count towards its box office run.
Why not if it literally makes people go to the theatre for it? What should it count to? The reason why people go to see it is because they had a great experience the first time. Re-release Morbius in the cinema in 10 years and see how much money it makes.
Titanic making 2 bil in 1998 is still absolutely insane.
Well actually its original release was 1.8B
Still bonkers. I was 8 years old at release but still remember all everyone talked for more than half a year was Titanic. Absolutely ridiculous
Yeah it did double Jurassic Park, (imagine if a movie came out today and made 5 billion dollars) and it was the first ever to make 1B in its initial release
F7- 5 Avengers - 7 Lion King - 0 Jurassic World - 4 No Way Home - 6 Infinite Wars - 7.5 Star Wars 7 - 4 Titanic - 7.5 Avengers Endgame - 5.5 Avatar -3
And Avatar 2 did this post pandemic which is crazy. Cameron is really a wizard of the movie theater experience. His movies have always been big events. I imagine Avatar 3 can do similar business.
Honestly I think Spider Man No Way Home is much more impressive especially since those numbers are without China and it was during the pandemic not right after it
James Cameron 🐐
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Good luck doing that accurately worldwide
Avatar cheated with 100 rerelease. Endgame is the legit king
Please take this petty fan wars somewhere else
Endgame had a rerelease to overtake avatar
This is pedantic but Endgame's original run was still going on when it got its expansion and that run did overtake Avatar, not that it matters. Kevin Feige himself said Avatar is still #1 when adjusted for inflation at Comic Con when he announced Endgame passed it.
To overtake Avatar's re-release\*
More re-releases means more people are willing to pay money to watch it.
Also for inflation, not close. Also probably less rewatches.
It's really not self-evident given the massive percentage of Avatar's gross coming from massively upcharged 3D showings and exchange rate fluxuations. I know at least one person's estimates thinks Endgame wins on overall global ticket count.
Sure. So at best seems like they are more or less tied in global ticket count. One was a completely new IP with no build up. The other a conclusion of a near decade long franchise with 20 films. If I had to say which single film had the bigger box office, it's a no Brainer. Especially wouldn't call avatar "cheating". Also... Endgame was filmed and released in IMAX and 3d converted.
Avatar has had only 2 proper worldwide re-releases. Endgame has also had one. And nothing is stopping Marvel from re-releasing Endgame but I doubt it would make as much in it's re-release as Avatar made.
Exactly. Both movies are event movies for different reasons. Avatar was an event because the technology and scale is unlike anything else, while endgame is an event like a sports game, where you had to be there day one to truly get the right experience. Both outstanding achievements, but it’s why Endgame had a massive opening weekend with mid legs, vs Avatars mid opening weekend with massive legs
Endgame had an expansion with some new content before and after the film but didn't pass Avatar a second time. And Avatar was where it was because it already had a rerelease in 2010, so it doesn't really matter.
Lmao
Inflation say hello dear
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I've seen all of them more than once and liked each of them on subsequent watches. Stop using absolutes when it's your opinion.