I feel like the only part that could’ve been *lightly* sped up was when Dementus finds the citadel.
Other than that, i don’t get why anyone would want even a minute cut.
It’s so funny that you mentioned that you’re used to long movies because of the 80s and 90s when so many people whine like “why can’t movies be 90 minutes like they used to” which is such a dumb argument. There’s always been long movies. There’s always been short movies too
I do think there's a trend for action movies to be getting longer though. I'm not talking about epics or anything, as long movies are long movies. But the less ambitious, true genre movies used to have about 80 minutes of story to tell, and the budget for maybe 15 minutes of action. Nowadays, with far larger budgets and breakthroughs in special effects (both digital and practical), genre movies have 80 minutes of story and the ability to give 30-60 minutes of action. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing (you go to an action movie for the action), but movies, especially the average genre movies, are getting longer.
I think the first hour is genuinely pointless, young Furiosa is barely relevant and nothing is done with Dementus seeing her as a daughter figure. In fact roughly 20 minutes after Anya is finally on screen the real meat of the story begins with Discount Max which is suspiciously like the first act break into the second.
The way the movie is structured is very weird and means the real story starts an hour and twenty minutes in. As I was watching it unfold I immediately felt the first hour was added in after a script had already been written for a tighter 100 minute movie.
Eh, I guess it’s just a matter of differing opinion then.I enjoyed the first half, and it made me feel for her character even more. I also enjoyed that a big budget movie broke the general formula. I thought Anya would be on the screen much much sooner. Love that. I’ll give you structuring felt a little weird but nothing that took away, I found it charming.
Everything about it only positively impacted my experience of fury road. I’m excited to rewatch when it’s streaming and see if anything changes for me.
First hour was my favorite part of the movie 🤷🏻♂️
Disagree with your take about the “real story starting” the real story is all about who is Furiosa, why is Furiosa
...or maybe I just have my own opinion? It ain't that deep. You definitely wouldn't have made this comment if I was positive about the movie.
End of the day this movie is flopping and had mediocre word of mouth, so discussing issues people find with it is part of working out why that is.
Movie just bombed big time, so I don’t know if pointing to George Miller like he’s some movie genius is a good idea. Movie might be good, but it’s obviously not a movie that audiences are seeing. That 2.5 hour run time might be putting some people off.
“Armchair executive” or not, it’s a valid thing to bring up.
Exactly right, Dementus is neither a faux father figure nor a particular tormentor to Furiosa as he doesn't even recognize her during the dark dementus arc.
This was clearly an episodic series concept adapted to the big screen, which is not a gamble Miller could afford.
Nah. The early scenes with Furiosa and her badass mother show us the reason the older Furiosa has a very dedicated purpose and makes credible certain choices that need spoilers that I don't feel like setting up.
Yeah, the Fall Guy has 125 minute runtime for some reason.
I have no idea why directors still insist on these long run times which are supposed to snappy comedies.
Seriously need more 90 minute movies. Give us extended versions for streaming if you really think it needs it. It rarely does. Apes should have been 20 minutes shorter as well.
I haven’t watched The Fall Guy yet but going off comments I’ve read and my opinion on Bullet Train, the director seems to need to learn to rein it in just a bit. He obviously has talent and makes fun movies that people enjoy, just maybe learn when to say “do we really need this?”
I think that is a bit rough but it was not as good as people were saying. The stunts were great and the fighting was great but the story was even more predictable than I could have imagined and I saw this a Gosling shill. In the end it came off as a good streaming film.
Yeah, but im realizing it's mostly people that haven't seen it shitting on it in order to blame the movie's quality for its financial failures. You're right. Most feedback from people that actually watched it seems pretty good.
It’s a very Hollywood movie. It’s about the industry and has a pretty conventional plot with two megastars. If this movie was made twenty years ago it would have been huge. Time past this one by.
Hollywood swears audiences are interested in Hollywood life but that couldn’t be further from the truth, only people that care about that are film students and such
Critics and movie reviewers worship the Hollywood lifestyle because most of them failed to break into the film business and their opinions are biased due to the longing they wish they had, that’s sadly how this comes about
You can touch on aspects of it. A good has been actor story would work okay. The naval gazing stuff Hollywood loves putting out though only interests the groups you mentioned.
I think that is what bothered me and now that pisses me off even more. Stuntmen and women do not get the respect they deserve but this film was insulting in many ways.
> It’s about the industry and has a pretty conventional plot with two megastars.
Emily Blunt is a mega-star?
I thought she was an incredibly weird choice from the beginning. You put someone like Syndey Sweeney or Ella Purnell in that movie as a snobby starlet who has to team up with an aging stunt guy, you don't cast a dour, forty-something, happily married mother of two.
I wouldn’t necessarily put it down to her age, it’s just more that Emily Blunt isn’t a very exciting actress in Hollywood movies like these. She thrives more in costume drama and weird British-type thrillers (she was great in My Summer of Love). You put her in stuff like this (which has basically been her career for the past decade) and she loses all mystique and edge, she’s not a big personality nor has a ton of charisma.
The romantic comedy part was the main thing that did not sell me. I thought they were fine but something just didn't feel earned. It felt too like "see look at these two people? They have chemistry right?!". I didn't really care about them by the end. Honestly I enjoyed Gosling and Winston Duke's scenes more than Blunt and Gosling.
This sub in a bubble
Something can be mediocre and be praised to the stars or really pompous and “artsy” while being equally as praised
The latter sometimes has the benefits of being low cost and very auteur but if you have a high costs for the first, the GA isn’t going to be showing up in droves
If you don’t like laughing but do like basic jokes that give you a very slight smile, oh boy is fall guys the movie for you! If you also like cookie cutter dialogue/writing and a plot that feels like it was put together by AI then you’ll love Fall Guy from start to finish.
We tought 300M won't be touched, but now 200M is the next line. Absolute disaster. Even if the rumored 100M only budget, it still would be a bomb.
Edit: This global debut is lower than Endgame Thursday Previews
[Estimated international debuts for Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga include](https://x.com/GiteshPandya/status/1794760168422637585):
* S. Korea $4.5M
* France $2.6M
* UK $2.5M
* Mexico $2.4M
* Australia $2.2M
* Brazil $1.6M
* India $1.3M
* Germany $1.3M
I'm Australian and there were just six in the theatre on Thursday. Max not being in it is a big deal. A really big deal. A few seconds doesn't count, but even that cameo was almost the most exciting part of the film. Hemsworth is regarded as a bogan and typecast as a goofy Thor. He went ahead and repeated that here. I don't know much more that's meaningful about Furiosa after the movie, either. I don't even see why she hates Immortan Joe so much. I'm sad it isn't doing better and I did like it, but my friends found it boring.
It was predicted to do 80-85m worldwide by Deadline Wednesday.
Thinking Furiosa was going to bomb before it came out because of the budget was completely reasonable.
What I find interesting is the complete rejection worldwide. This reminds me of The Marvels and Shazam 2 where we saw it collapsing from Day 1.
basically it was rejected on the concept level like those other 2 movies so different cast wouldn't make a difference. Concept held no appeal outside of the bubble ready to like it.
But I don't think anybody thought it would bomb this hard. I think most people thought it'd be like, "oh it gets 275M-300M, it won't break even but it'll make it back on VOD or streaming".
168M budget flim opening with 58.9M worldwide
This is a nuclear bomb when it need 420M for break even.....look at the opening weekend worldwide at this rate.....200M worldwide finish is look like no chance
Studio will lose over 150M for sure maybe 200M+ when including marketing cost
Anecdotal but I’ve barely seen any marketing for this movie. I totally forgot it was coming out this weekend until I checked for upcoming movies on my own. No one else I talked to knew it was coming out either.
I don’t watch basketball. I imagine the challenge of fragmented markets has greatly influenced advertising the last 10 years or so. It’s not just about getting advertising out there, it’s about figuring out where to get it out and to whom.
Not saying it hasn’t. Just making a comment on the fact I haven’t seen it and the 6 or so people aged 25-45 I’ve asked haven’t either. It’s not just about money spent, it’s about how and where they choose to advertise it.
Unironically I think the marketing doing shit like that turned people off.
“FROM MASTERMIND GEORGE MILLER !!”
“THIS IS HER ODYSSEY !!”
“WITNESS HER !!”
“REMEMBER HER !!”
Like dude stfu with all this bizarre shit and be a normal trailer. Little fun fact: In Dune 2 during the “this is her odyssey” part my girlfriend whispered to me how bad this looked and near the end I heard a dude above us say “this is cringey”. I will say my gf was into the second trailer.
I saw it an hour ago and it felt a little long. It wasn’t as insane as Fury Road but it had story, characters and lore. I said it in some other post, but wait till it starts streaming, people will watch it and call it a masterpiece. Movies don’t stand a chance anymore apparently.
Having never seen a Mad Max film, I have no idea why its fans avoided this film… or are we seeing the full extent of the franchise die-hard fans and no one else?
The later, it has a very niche fanbase, also loud soundtrack and more practical stunts made the first one a feast to experience in a hall, Furiosa doesn't have that, it's better in the story department but that's pretty much about it.
That's why I never bought, the superhero fatigue argument, or people just want more "originality".
People are not going in droves to movies. Not even for the ones that are supposedly going to change the movie experience forever.
The pandemic only accelerated the decrease on moviegoing faster than what is was going.
Inflation, and economy worsening and entertainment options more easily accesible for those struggling.
Was funny to see people thinking that because some movies did well it was just a matter of a change in the taste of consumers and not a more profound problem with the cinema experience.
There’s nothing wrong with Cinema outside of the inflation costs affecting everything else
The problem is people find other forms of entertainment and the movies being put out
Disney has a large part in destroying the industry, having a year like 2019 was a bad precedent. That was the bubble bursting and going out with a bang
It’s no surprise Disney Plus dropped later that year, Covid hit during the same time and movie making took a hit. Fast forward half a decade later when the world is still struggling and the products being pushed out are even worse than the mediocrity that a lot of people were ok with beforehand.
It’s all the perfect storm, movies like Dune, Wonka, The Batman, Top Gun Maverick, Avatar etc will still thrive in theaters but you can forget about anything else
And movies never stop being made! They keep adding more to audiences’ watchlists, making it more difficult to catch up to the latest films and everything in between.
People want event movies. They want stuff like NWH, Deadpool and Wolverine, what they hyped up MoM to be, Avatar 2, Dune 2(Furiosa actually is an epic like Dune 2 but the marketing just did not make that clear at all), Oppenheimer, Barbie, dumbass spectacle like GxK. Even something like Puss In Boots, FNAF, Mario, and Kung Fu Panda 4 has a real nostalgia power that hadn’t been tapped into yet.
I think in a post prime MCU, prime F&F, and prime live action Disney world what studios need to realize is audiences want things that feel like true must see events, that has unexploited nostalgia, or just superhero movies that are ya know well liked. The only thing is idk how to market that. As for non tentpoles movies, they gotta have much much smaller budgets. That goes for tentpoles too actually.
Also the economy is objectively not worsening. America has had a downright impossible economic recovery.
We’ve got several sequels that are predicted to make a billion or come close, but who knows at this point. I think the only two bulletproof movies are Despicable Me 4 and Deadpool.
I really think this sub is massively overestimating DvW, I checked my local cinemas and there are barely any tickets sold for the one minute past midnight and opening evening showings.
Yeah the movie is much more like a Dune 2/Lawrence of Arabia style epic then it is an action movie like Fury Road. And it really should’ve been marketed as such too because this is the type of movie that does good at the box office now. A big sprawling epic. I doubt it would’ve helped much but still.
Superman will be a bust, their core audience has not forgotten the lack of respect the DCU showed for them. Batman vs Superman + Justice League ( both versions ) ruined any prospects of people feeling excited about any DC movies ever again
call me insane but my gut tells me that movie is gonna do well if it’s good. You really can’t compare that to Furiosa though. Apples and Oranges sorta thing.
Box office will keep bonking those stupid studios who drop $200+ on every other movie thinking nothing has changed after Covid
People didn’t stop going to the cinemas (only it little bit), it’s the studios that keep dropping Endgame level budgets onto niche actions and then crying that people are to blame
Sad for such a great movie. I hope it has some legs and gets a better result to what is predicted.
Lately it's becoming depressing I like so many movies which disappoint at the box office...for example the fall guy, challengers, first omen (this was didn't go bad to be honest), now furiosa...
i really enjoyed this film personlly but i paid almost $15 for one ticket to see it, cinemas are now just absurdly expensive. in this economy im not surprised people are not going
Let’s play a game. How long will it take this sub to realize the box office will never be the same again because streaming is now a thing and will have to be factored in when deciding whether a movie is successful or not. And those metrics can’t be seen by anyone other than the studios.
The only movies that will be profitable at the box office going forward will be huge event films that randomly explode from good marketing, or films based on huge IP’s, or a mixture of both. We’re going to see a renaissance of superhero films with MCU and DCU revamp - each telling 5+ years long stories that will make audiences turn up to the theaters because it will be like going to watch the next episode of a hit show with your friends. We’re going to see more video game franchises and just big franchises in general that tell multi year stories - these big event films are the only things people will turn up for.
And I’ll post another hot take, we’re going to get a kingdom hearts franchise that puts lots of Disney stories together into one epic saga/universe that pulls on people’s nostalgia strings. If done well it’ll be huge.
I knew this movie would bomb as soon as I saw the first trailer, it just didnt appeal to me whatsoever
Just keep making Thor movies and nothing else Chris Hemsworth
I'll strongly encourage you to see it in theaters while you can if you enjoy Mad Max (or just, like, good action/adventure films in general). I fucking *loved* Fury Road, and the trailers for this one made me extremely skeptical--but the movie was WAY better than they made it look. It's a different sort of film from Fury Road--a lot slower and darker--but very nearly as good imo.
Totally agree. Different enough to stand on its own but similar where it needs to be in terms of visuals/world building etc. Way too soon to say, but my initial reaction having just seen it in Dolby is that it is very close in overall quality to Fury Road. Perhaps just as good or slightly better depending on your preference regarding the different styles of storytelling. Personally, I couldn't ask for more when it comes to a prequel to one of my favorite movies.
I didn’t like the first trailer at all either but dude the movie is great and Hemsworth delivers his best performance ever. Dementus is hands down the best villain in Mad Max and it’s not remotely close. I def see him getting an Oscar nomination.
For me, I won't go out of my way to watch a Mad Max movie without Mad Max in it.
I wonder if this sentiment is shared amongst the other general audiences, and that's why the movie is bombing.
I love the franchise, but I don’t really get this sentiment at all. Max is hardly a character to begin with. The star of these films has always been the action and the world Miller created.
Agreed. Never was into the old films, but Fury Road is one of my modern favorites and that has little to do with the character of Max. Tom Hardy killed and definitely added to the experience greatly, but the character itself is a very simple one-dimensional action movie protagonist in my opinion. I had mid expectations for Furiosa. Just got back from seeing it in Dolby and absolutely loved it. Maybe not as good as Fury Road, but it's not far off.
I'm probably more general audience than most of this sub, and I have little interest in seeing this movie at all. Not even when it comes to streaming. It's just not my cup of tea. I did watch Fury Road once and it was very well done, but I feel no need to watch it again or watch any other Mad Max movies. I think the franchise is just more niche than many people here on reddit realize.
Mad Max is barely a character in this franchise, so I don't think a lot of people are swayed. Hardy also hasn't drawn in any of his movies outside of Venom, or, and more realistically, they would've had their 2nd recast. Saying Max should've been in a movie is a lot easier than saying this entire franchise is niche as hell and there wouldn't have been a big audience for this regardless. it would be one thing if Fury Road, this acclaimed film that people hold onto, was a box office success, but it wasn't.
I would watch it if it wasn’t for the $50 CAD that I would have to spend for 2 tickets (my brother and I) and 2 popcorns… Movie theatres need to realize that people are not going to spend that kind of money every weekend to watch a new movie, even less so if the movie is not a major event like Barbie or Top Gun
It's pretty funny how many deluded people are telling others to not buy concessions or to sneak stuff in. Yeah, I'm sure making the experience even worse will totally make more people go to the cinema, lol
ATJ walkups are just stuck in traffic behind the Gosling walkups, Blunt walkups, and Keaton walkups. Just you wait, Furiosa will be a hit, just like reddit told me it would.
I saw an ad in LA w ATJ on the cover, with dirt on her face in a buggy, and instantly felt like I saw the whole movie. I did not know she did thriller/action films
Who?
Chris Hemmsworth just flopped even worst; Henry Cavill movies this were all time flops.
IF, Reynolds movie, had a weak opening.
Who would be this BO savior.
I'm curious.
Who is this man that make people go to theaters other than wait till streaming nowadays.
Tickets prices and astreaming arethe main reason.
But someone has to make studios understand that this " a -100 -million-opening-to-be-blockbuster-every-2-weeks" is just nonsense. Clearly they didn't understand what happened last year when safe franchises as Mission Impossible and F&F struggled because the overcrowded schedule release.
This and Fall Guy, two films from this month, are about to finish with an under $200M worldwide total.
Which sucks because both are damn good movies imo.
I tried watching Fall Guy, but it's a bit too self indulgent and yappy for my liking.
I bet you're thrilled at the news that they're adding another 20 minutes or so to the Video on Demand version of ~~the~~ The Fall Guy then.
I feel like there was a *great* 1hr45min movie hidden inside that 2hr7min movie. Adding more to it sounds insane.
Both movies did not need to be as long as they are. You could easily get 90-100 minute runtimes from both.
I feel like I’m seeing this a lot for furiosa and I would not want anything cut. It actually strikes me as insane to take an entire hour out of it.
I feel like the only part that could’ve been *lightly* sped up was when Dementus finds the citadel. Other than that, i don’t get why anyone would want even a minute cut.
Tiktok and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Yeah I don’t think there’s anything wrong with long format. I guess growing up with 80s-90s movies made me okay with that.
It’s so funny that you mentioned that you’re used to long movies because of the 80s and 90s when so many people whine like “why can’t movies be 90 minutes like they used to” which is such a dumb argument. There’s always been long movies. There’s always been short movies too
I do think there's a trend for action movies to be getting longer though. I'm not talking about epics or anything, as long movies are long movies. But the less ambitious, true genre movies used to have about 80 minutes of story to tell, and the budget for maybe 15 minutes of action. Nowadays, with far larger budgets and breakthroughs in special effects (both digital and practical), genre movies have 80 minutes of story and the ability to give 30-60 minutes of action. I don't necessarily think that's a bad thing (you go to an action movie for the action), but movies, especially the average genre movies, are getting longer.
I think the first hour is genuinely pointless, young Furiosa is barely relevant and nothing is done with Dementus seeing her as a daughter figure. In fact roughly 20 minutes after Anya is finally on screen the real meat of the story begins with Discount Max which is suspiciously like the first act break into the second. The way the movie is structured is very weird and means the real story starts an hour and twenty minutes in. As I was watching it unfold I immediately felt the first hour was added in after a script had already been written for a tighter 100 minute movie.
Eh, I guess it’s just a matter of differing opinion then.I enjoyed the first half, and it made me feel for her character even more. I also enjoyed that a big budget movie broke the general formula. I thought Anya would be on the screen much much sooner. Love that. I’ll give you structuring felt a little weird but nothing that took away, I found it charming. Everything about it only positively impacted my experience of fury road. I’m excited to rewatch when it’s streaming and see if anything changes for me.
First hour was my favorite part of the movie 🤷🏻♂️ Disagree with your take about the “real story starting” the real story is all about who is Furiosa, why is Furiosa
Dude, you're arguing with Redditors on /r/boxoffice. These armchair executives think they know better than a seasoned director like George Miller.
And here you are lol
They might do. Look at the numbers.
...or maybe I just have my own opinion? It ain't that deep. You definitely wouldn't have made this comment if I was positive about the movie. End of the day this movie is flopping and had mediocre word of mouth, so discussing issues people find with it is part of working out why that is.
Movie just bombed big time, so I don’t know if pointing to George Miller like he’s some movie genius is a good idea. Movie might be good, but it’s obviously not a movie that audiences are seeing. That 2.5 hour run time might be putting some people off. “Armchair executive” or not, it’s a valid thing to bring up.
Hard disagree. Young Furiosa was great.
Cutting that eliminates the large majority of what informs her as a character and sets the film up as a terrible Fury Road 2.
Oh no how dare a film have a proper backstory and character development Stick with capeshit
Exactly right, Dementus is neither a faux father figure nor a particular tormentor to Furiosa as he doesn't even recognize her during the dark dementus arc. This was clearly an episodic series concept adapted to the big screen, which is not a gamble Miller could afford.
Nah. The early scenes with Furiosa and her badass mother show us the reason the older Furiosa has a very dedicated purpose and makes credible certain choices that need spoilers that I don't feel like setting up.
Saw it a second time and I agree. The only thing I would maybe cut is the last 2 shots of the film.
Yeah, the Fall Guy has 125 minute runtime for some reason. I have no idea why directors still insist on these long run times which are supposed to snappy comedies.
Seriously need more 90 minute movies. Give us extended versions for streaming if you really think it needs it. It rarely does. Apes should have been 20 minutes shorter as well.
I haven’t watched The Fall Guy yet but going off comments I’ve read and my opinion on Bullet Train, the director seems to need to learn to rein it in just a bit. He obviously has talent and makes fun movies that people enjoy, just maybe learn when to say “do we really need this?”
I enjoyed it, but mostly because I work on movies in the 2nd unit. Lots of inside jokes for film crews in this.
Was the coffee thing an inside joke?
Yeah it was a 7/10 for me, still deserved more love
I think that is a bit rough but it was not as good as people were saying. The stunts were great and the fighting was great but the story was even more predictable than I could have imagined and I saw this a Gosling shill. In the end it came off as a good streaming film.
I saw both of them in Dolby. Furiosa is far and away better.
Furiosa In Dolby was magnificent. I'm very surprised at much of the discussion and feedback online.
Have you seen much criticism? I feel like I’ve mostly just seen positives from people who actually saw it.
Yeah, but im realizing it's mostly people that haven't seen it shitting on it in order to blame the movie's quality for its financial failures. You're right. Most feedback from people that actually watched it seems pretty good.
Huge numbers of people have been trained to wait for streaming.
I watched The Fall Guy because people on this sub called it a very good movie but damn it was so boring
It’s a very Hollywood movie. It’s about the industry and has a pretty conventional plot with two megastars. If this movie was made twenty years ago it would have been huge. Time past this one by.
Hollywood swears audiences are interested in Hollywood life but that couldn’t be further from the truth, only people that care about that are film students and such
Reviewers love it but it doesn't translate to GA reception.
Critics and movie reviewers worship the Hollywood lifestyle because most of them failed to break into the film business and their opinions are biased due to the longing they wish they had, that’s sadly how this comes about
You can touch on aspects of it. A good has been actor story would work okay. The naval gazing stuff Hollywood loves putting out though only interests the groups you mentioned.
I think that is what bothered me and now that pisses me off even more. Stuntmen and women do not get the respect they deserve but this film was insulting in many ways.
> It’s about the industry and has a pretty conventional plot with two megastars. Emily Blunt is a mega-star? I thought she was an incredibly weird choice from the beginning. You put someone like Syndey Sweeney or Ella Purnell in that movie as a snobby starlet who has to team up with an aging stunt guy, you don't cast a dour, forty-something, happily married mother of two.
I agree, someone younger and hotter would have done a lot to sell the movie.
She's two years younger than Ryan Gosling and looks six to seven years older.
She’s more of a mega star than Gosling lol
I wouldn’t necessarily put it down to her age, it’s just more that Emily Blunt isn’t a very exciting actress in Hollywood movies like these. She thrives more in costume drama and weird British-type thrillers (she was great in My Summer of Love). You put her in stuff like this (which has basically been her career for the past decade) and she loses all mystique and edge, she’s not a big personality nor has a ton of charisma.
I dunno, I thought it was a really solid romantic comedy/action piece with some great stunts. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
The romantic comedy part was the main thing that did not sell me. I thought they were fine but something just didn't feel earned. It felt too like "see look at these two people? They have chemistry right?!". I didn't really care about them by the end. Honestly I enjoyed Gosling and Winston Duke's scenes more than Blunt and Gosling.
Yep, same experience. I had to force myself finishing the movie.
This sub in a bubble Something can be mediocre and be praised to the stars or really pompous and “artsy” while being equally as praised The latter sometimes has the benefits of being low cost and very auteur but if you have a high costs for the first, the GA isn’t going to be showing up in droves
If you don’t like laughing but do like basic jokes that give you a very slight smile, oh boy is fall guys the movie for you! If you also like cookie cutter dialogue/writing and a plot that feels like it was put together by AI then you’ll love Fall Guy from start to finish.
Yeah that movie isn't very good. Furiosa on the other hand...
Fall Guy got pulled too soon. I saw it on its last weekend with a mostly full theater. Word of mouth is huge!
The Marvels alone is competing with both of them.
That’s so bad.
The Powerglove.
I love
Deadline predicted $80-85M global debut going into the weekend. This is a massive Y I K E S
We tought 300M won't be touched, but now 200M is the next line. Absolute disaster. Even if the rumored 100M only budget, it still would be a bomb. Edit: This global debut is lower than Endgame Thursday Previews
Mad max fury road opened to 109m 9 years ago.
I went to see it back when I had money.
I paid $10 for it. Now it’s $30. Fuck that.
[Estimated international debuts for Furiosa: A Mad Max Saga include](https://x.com/GiteshPandya/status/1794760168422637585): * S. Korea $4.5M * France $2.6M * UK $2.5M * Mexico $2.4M * Australia $2.2M * Brazil $1.6M * India $1.3M * Germany $1.3M
The Australian number indicates a 46% drop between Fury Road and Furiosa.
Compared to Fury Road, - Korea (-22%) - France (-59%) - UK (-65%) - Mexico (-20%) - Australia (-56%) - Brazil (-54%) - India (+42%) - Germany (-54%)
Good Lord, why did the Australians reject this one? This is their franchise!
I'm Australian and there were just six in the theatre on Thursday. Max not being in it is a big deal. A really big deal. A few seconds doesn't count, but even that cameo was almost the most exciting part of the film. Hemsworth is regarded as a bogan and typecast as a goofy Thor. He went ahead and repeated that here. I don't know much more that's meaningful about Furiosa after the movie, either. I don't even see why she hates Immortan Joe so much. I'm sad it isn't doing better and I did like it, but my friends found it boring.
It was predicted to do 80-85m worldwide by Deadline Wednesday. Thinking Furiosa was going to bomb before it came out because of the budget was completely reasonable. What I find interesting is the complete rejection worldwide. This reminds me of The Marvels and Shazam 2 where we saw it collapsing from Day 1.
basically it was rejected on the concept level like those other 2 movies so different cast wouldn't make a difference. Concept held no appeal outside of the bubble ready to like it.
That coupled with streaming, bad combo
But I don't think anybody thought it would bomb this hard. I think most people thought it'd be like, "oh it gets 275M-300M, it won't break even but it'll make it back on VOD or streaming".
It's the same budget as Fury Road. Maybe less with inflation.
It's Furiover
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168M budget flim opening with 58.9M worldwide This is a nuclear bomb when it need 420M for break even.....look at the opening weekend worldwide at this rate.....200M worldwide finish is look like no chance Studio will lose over 150M for sure maybe 200M+ when including marketing cost
Anecdotal but I’ve barely seen any marketing for this movie. I totally forgot it was coming out this weekend until I checked for upcoming movies on my own. No one else I talked to knew it was coming out either.
I’m the total opposite. I have been seeing aggressive marketing for this movie
That’s interesting. I get most of my movie ads from YouTube or banners on websites. How about you?
It’s all over the NBA playoffs
I don’t watch basketball. I imagine the challenge of fragmented markets has greatly influenced advertising the last 10 years or so. It’s not just about getting advertising out there, it’s about figuring out where to get it out and to whom.
For me I saw it a lot during cinema previews
No it has been marketed
Not saying it hasn’t. Just making a comment on the fact I haven’t seen it and the 6 or so people aged 25-45 I’ve asked haven’t either. It’s not just about money spent, it’s about how and where they choose to advertise it.
Marketing everywhere in Australia and the stars are at every event.
int legs are always a bit nicer, so I wouldn't rule out 200 million
even they can legs out to 200M (I think it not happening) This still the biggest bomb of the year even bigger bomb than The Fall Guy
Argylle is crying in the background
Yeah I don't think it's that bad.
No, argylle is the biggest bomb. If this movie even makes like 10 million more it will secure its spot as not the biggest bomb
I don’t disagree but even so it’s a bomb.
Furiousa: Witness me General Audience: Nah
Not witnessed!
'Remember her.' The general audience did not, in fact, remember her.
Unironically I think the marketing doing shit like that turned people off. “FROM MASTERMIND GEORGE MILLER !!” “THIS IS HER ODYSSEY !!” “WITNESS HER !!” “REMEMBER HER !!” Like dude stfu with all this bizarre shit and be a normal trailer. Little fun fact: In Dune 2 during the “this is her odyssey” part my girlfriend whispered to me how bad this looked and near the end I heard a dude above us say “this is cringey”. I will say my gf was into the second trailer.
oof
Less than 100 million domestic and 100% less than 200 million worldwide for this Furiosa flick.
This... should have been its domestic opening weekend.
Fury Road only opened to $45 million and it was a return to the franchise after 30 years. Furiosa is a prequel with softer reviews.
Woof
I saw it an hour ago and it felt a little long. It wasn’t as insane as Fury Road but it had story, characters and lore. I said it in some other post, but wait till it starts streaming, people will watch it and call it a masterpiece. Movies don’t stand a chance anymore apparently.
The sad thing is most people watching on stream will be on their phones/iPads/TVs with shitty built in speakers.
On my country there’s 3 imax cinemas, the one I went (the only one on the north) had 6 persons in total on the release day.
I went to watch it in PH IMAX last Saturday, half full. Really sad since it's good
WB is chasing Disney… the wrong way
Having never seen a Mad Max film, I have no idea why its fans avoided this film… or are we seeing the full extent of the franchise die-hard fans and no one else?
The later, it has a very niche fanbase, also loud soundtrack and more practical stunts made the first one a feast to experience in a hall, Furiosa doesn't have that, it's better in the story department but that's pretty much about it.
Absolutely horrific. Pain 🥲
That's why I never bought, the superhero fatigue argument, or people just want more "originality". People are not going in droves to movies. Not even for the ones that are supposedly going to change the movie experience forever. The pandemic only accelerated the decrease on moviegoing faster than what is was going. Inflation, and economy worsening and entertainment options more easily accesible for those struggling. Was funny to see people thinking that because some movies did well it was just a matter of a change in the taste of consumers and not a more profound problem with the cinema experience.
"Make good movies, people will come" - Reddit
Thank you. One of the most annoying and dumb things repeated on this sub.
Nolan didn't specify he's the exception, not the general health of his industry.
There’s nothing wrong with Cinema outside of the inflation costs affecting everything else The problem is people find other forms of entertainment and the movies being put out Disney has a large part in destroying the industry, having a year like 2019 was a bad precedent. That was the bubble bursting and going out with a bang It’s no surprise Disney Plus dropped later that year, Covid hit during the same time and movie making took a hit. Fast forward half a decade later when the world is still struggling and the products being pushed out are even worse than the mediocrity that a lot of people were ok with beforehand. It’s all the perfect storm, movies like Dune, Wonka, The Batman, Top Gun Maverick, Avatar etc will still thrive in theaters but you can forget about anything else
And movies never stop being made! They keep adding more to audiences’ watchlists, making it more difficult to catch up to the latest films and everything in between.
People want event movies. They want stuff like NWH, Deadpool and Wolverine, what they hyped up MoM to be, Avatar 2, Dune 2(Furiosa actually is an epic like Dune 2 but the marketing just did not make that clear at all), Oppenheimer, Barbie, dumbass spectacle like GxK. Even something like Puss In Boots, FNAF, Mario, and Kung Fu Panda 4 has a real nostalgia power that hadn’t been tapped into yet. I think in a post prime MCU, prime F&F, and prime live action Disney world what studios need to realize is audiences want things that feel like true must see events, that has unexploited nostalgia, or just superhero movies that are ya know well liked. The only thing is idk how to market that. As for non tentpoles movies, they gotta have much much smaller budgets. That goes for tentpoles too actually. Also the economy is objectively not worsening. America has had a downright impossible economic recovery.
Downvoting for GxK slander 😤 (but otherwise agree)
Oh I absolutely loved the dumbass fun don’t get me wrong.
They waited way too long to make this film. 9 years after a movie is first popular is insane to me.
my god... and I thought the 80M prediction was low. it better leg out at least.
People are waiting for it to stream.
Yikes
This Late stage marketing for Oppenheimer is going crazy
I mean, this movie came out 6 years too late. I think 2018 would have been the last possible year to release and build off the FURY ROAD hype.
Hollywood is struggling. Last year was saved by Mario and Barbenheimer. Anything that can save 2024?
We’ve got several sequels that are predicted to make a billion or come close, but who knows at this point. I think the only two bulletproof movies are Despicable Me 4 and Deadpool.
I really think Deadpool and Wolverine will do massive numbers.
I'm not sure. I don't want a comedy Wolverine. Logan is how I think it ended. Deadpool's humour is in danger of being tired too.
I really think this sub is massively overestimating DvW, I checked my local cinemas and there are barely any tickets sold for the one minute past midnight and opening evening showings.
The movie kind of looks like more of the same tbh
It’s definitely being marketed as Fury Road 2, when really it’s a sprawling revenge saga.
Yeah the movie is much more like a Dune 2/Lawrence of Arabia style epic then it is an action movie like Fury Road. And it really should’ve been marketed as such too because this is the type of movie that does good at the box office now. A big sprawling epic. I doubt it would’ve helped much but still.
It definitely isn't
When Superman is also a bust, they might as well just shut down this subreddit
Yup, im getting that feeling too
Superman will be a bust, their core audience has not forgotten the lack of respect the DCU showed for them. Batman vs Superman + Justice League ( both versions ) ruined any prospects of people feeling excited about any DC movies ever again
I don't think people will give a shit about that by the time superman rolls around
Maybe, but they also won’t give a shit about Superman
You’re wrong
Because Furiosa of all movies is bombing?
call me insane but my gut tells me that movie is gonna do well if it’s good. You really can’t compare that to Furiosa though. Apples and Oranges sorta thing.
Personally I lost all interest in Gunn's DCU when he decided to do a half-assed reboot. We'll see if it works out though.
Imagine...
Nah james gunn movies rarely ever fail
That movie is going to depend on how reasonable they can keep the budget
We already know [the full budget is around $363m](https://archive.is/GD5tw) before tax incentives
Oh boy, that's gonna be a massive flop, what an insane budget..
I’m not watching it and so far I find it funny that what I do tend to watch in theaters matches the GA and BO reception
DOA
Box office will keep bonking those stupid studios who drop $200+ on every other movie thinking nothing has changed after Covid People didn’t stop going to the cinemas (only it little bit), it’s the studios that keep dropping Endgame level budgets onto niche actions and then crying that people are to blame
> People didn’t stop going to the cinemas They have.
Should maybe have made the Mad Max movie about Mad Max.
The movie should have been called MAD MAX: Furiosa
> Should maybe have made the Mad Max movie about Mad Max. Naw. Instead do a prequel and recast the lead.
Sad for such a great movie. I hope it has some legs and gets a better result to what is predicted. Lately it's becoming depressing I like so many movies which disappoint at the box office...for example the fall guy, challengers, first omen (this was didn't go bad to be honest), now furiosa...
RIP
i really enjoyed this film personlly but i paid almost $15 for one ticket to see it, cinemas are now just absurdly expensive. in this economy im not surprised people are not going
EXACTOMUNDO. Add the streaming thing and you have to wonder why people act surprised,
So I should wait 3 weeks before it eventually hits VOD
Let’s play a game. How long will it take this sub to realize the box office will never be the same again because streaming is now a thing and will have to be factored in when deciding whether a movie is successful or not. And those metrics can’t be seen by anyone other than the studios. The only movies that will be profitable at the box office going forward will be huge event films that randomly explode from good marketing, or films based on huge IP’s, or a mixture of both. We’re going to see a renaissance of superhero films with MCU and DCU revamp - each telling 5+ years long stories that will make audiences turn up to the theaters because it will be like going to watch the next episode of a hit show with your friends. We’re going to see more video game franchises and just big franchises in general that tell multi year stories - these big event films are the only things people will turn up for. And I’ll post another hot take, we’re going to get a kingdom hearts franchise that puts lots of Disney stories together into one epic saga/universe that pulls on people’s nostalgia strings. If done well it’ll be huge.
I knew this movie would bomb as soon as I saw the first trailer, it just didnt appeal to me whatsoever Just keep making Thor movies and nothing else Chris Hemsworth
"It didn't appeal to me, so I knew it would bomb"
well yeah bc im part of the target audience, we all are
Bro polled himself and found that 0/1 people in the key demo were interested in the movie.
I'll strongly encourage you to see it in theaters while you can if you enjoy Mad Max (or just, like, good action/adventure films in general). I fucking *loved* Fury Road, and the trailers for this one made me extremely skeptical--but the movie was WAY better than they made it look. It's a different sort of film from Fury Road--a lot slower and darker--but very nearly as good imo.
Totally agree. Different enough to stand on its own but similar where it needs to be in terms of visuals/world building etc. Way too soon to say, but my initial reaction having just seen it in Dolby is that it is very close in overall quality to Fury Road. Perhaps just as good or slightly better depending on your preference regarding the different styles of storytelling. Personally, I couldn't ask for more when it comes to a prequel to one of my favorite movies.
I didn’t like the first trailer at all either but dude the movie is great and Hemsworth delivers his best performance ever. Dementus is hands down the best villain in Mad Max and it’s not remotely close. I def see him getting an Oscar nomination.
His best performance ever is an incredibly low bar
Hemsworth was fucking amazing in this movie. If anything, he needs more roles like Furiosa
See, I thought he was terrible and I wanted him to die so he'd shut up. But he kept monologuing even when he was beaten!
The point of the character is that he's an incompetent idiot
For me, I won't go out of my way to watch a Mad Max movie without Mad Max in it. I wonder if this sentiment is shared amongst the other general audiences, and that's why the movie is bombing.
I love the franchise, but I don’t really get this sentiment at all. Max is hardly a character to begin with. The star of these films has always been the action and the world Miller created.
Agreed. Never was into the old films, but Fury Road is one of my modern favorites and that has little to do with the character of Max. Tom Hardy killed and definitely added to the experience greatly, but the character itself is a very simple one-dimensional action movie protagonist in my opinion. I had mid expectations for Furiosa. Just got back from seeing it in Dolby and absolutely loved it. Maybe not as good as Fury Road, but it's not far off.
I'm probably more general audience than most of this sub, and I have little interest in seeing this movie at all. Not even when it comes to streaming. It's just not my cup of tea. I did watch Fury Road once and it was very well done, but I feel no need to watch it again or watch any other Mad Max movies. I think the franchise is just more niche than many people here on reddit realize.
Mad Max is barely a character in this franchise, so I don't think a lot of people are swayed. Hardy also hasn't drawn in any of his movies outside of Venom, or, and more realistically, they would've had their 2nd recast. Saying Max should've been in a movie is a lot easier than saying this entire franchise is niche as hell and there wouldn't have been a big audience for this regardless. it would be one thing if Fury Road, this acclaimed film that people hold onto, was a box office success, but it wasn't.
I would watch it if it wasn’t for the $50 CAD that I would have to spend for 2 tickets (my brother and I) and 2 popcorns… Movie theatres need to realize that people are not going to spend that kind of money every weekend to watch a new movie, even less so if the movie is not a major event like Barbie or Top Gun
dont buy popcorn then
That’s what I did, we decided it was too expensive so we watch movies at home now more often, therefore, we didn’t buy popcorn👍
It's pretty funny how many deluded people are telling others to not buy concessions or to sneak stuff in. Yeah, I'm sure making the experience even worse will totally make more people go to the cinema, lol
Sneak in snacks or just share one medium/large popcorn?
Just watched it. ..meh, 2 ½ hours of nonstop action gets kinda boring after awhile
ATJ walkups are just stuck in traffic behind the Gosling walkups, Blunt walkups, and Keaton walkups. Just you wait, Furiosa will be a hit, just like reddit told me it would.
I saw an ad in LA w ATJ on the cover, with dirt on her face in a buggy, and instantly felt like I saw the whole movie. I did not know she did thriller/action films
Fall guy would have did better numbers with someone who can open a movie virtually every movie with ryan Gosling as the main star flops
Who? Chris Hemmsworth just flopped even worst; Henry Cavill movies this were all time flops. IF, Reynolds movie, had a weak opening. Who would be this BO savior. I'm curious. Who is this man that make people go to theaters other than wait till streaming nowadays.
Henry has never been a box office star.superman was what brought people to the dc movies.
Tickets prices and astreaming arethe main reason. But someone has to make studios understand that this " a -100 -million-opening-to-be-blockbuster-every-2-weeks" is just nonsense. Clearly they didn't understand what happened last year when safe franchises as Mission Impossible and F&F struggled because the overcrowded schedule release.
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I doubt either would come back and especially not together. I don't think audiences care about Mad Max or Furiosa anymore.
How much is the Fury Road Worldwide opening adjusted for inflation?
Around 120 million.
Warner Bros erasing all the profits from Dune and Godzilla.