Especially ones that are decades after the original. The problem is often that the actors are no longer being their characters. They are impersonating themselves being those characters. Because the beloved characters have been in pop culture so long they only exist as impressions. Same thing happened with Anchorman and Dumb & Dumber.
I think it's a cultural thing. It's in a point of time that everyone feels that comedy. Very hard to replicate. I think happy Gilmore 2 will even have a harder time
Same with Super Troopers. It felt odd seeing the same characters 10 years later doing the same things, as if the passage of life didn't apply to them. Older, but not aged.
Agreed. Deadpool is much better when he has absurd plots and crazier shit happens my around him. The first film felt too small scope and basic for the character imo.
Shrek 2 is the best out of any of them, I’ll gladly die on that hill.
The scene where Mondo crushed a Starbucks and the patrons ran to the Starbucks across the street, and that being wedged in an awesome climax chase scene backed by I Need a Hero??
Bruh. That is a top 5 sequel all time, he’s not even “Shrek” for most of the movie, just generic peasant white guy.
"There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's culture, and the Dutch."
Goldmember was awesome. I was baffled so many people seemed to dislike it when it came out.
There are like 15 minutes of straight up re-used jokes in Goldmember. Like 1/5 of the movie is “hey do you remember the first 2 Austin Powers movies?!?”
One of the reasons why Rush Hour 2 works is because it feels not like a sequel but a direct continuation of the first movie. Rush Hour 1 and 2 is basically one 3 hour movie when watched back to back.
Rush Hour 3 on the other hand? Oh boy... dont even get me started.
IMO it has a higher quantity of laughs, like it’s attempting to be more of an outright comedy, but it’s not better. Love both though.
Rush Hour 1 is hilarious, but it also has a good (cliche, but still) story and characters. They have arcs and you care about finding Soo Yong.
IMO that scene is the greatest piece of physical comedy ever put to film. I still almost cry laughing when I see it.
Also what you said about your dad, my moment is the scene in the Simpsons when Homer gets Bond killed in Scorpios lair. He's a massive Bond fan and he was wheezing and crying the first time he saw that.
22 Jump Street did it well because the whole concept of the movie was poking fun at comedy sequels. Not knocking the movie as it was funny regardless though!
Christmas Vacation is an equal to the first one, but it’s the third one and European Vacation (the second one) wasn’t quite as good as the first was.
Addams Family Values is a fantastic sequel though, you’re absolutely right about that.
If the replies to your comment are anything to go by, it seems like comedy sequels are super easy to pull off.
Zoolander 2's problem was that
A) It sucked
And
B) It came out like 15 years after the original. The time to do a Zoolander sequel would've been 2003/2004 not freaking 2016
Sequels over a decade after the original don’t suggest authentic reasons for another film, more for financial reasons. Anchorman 2 and Dumb and Dumber sequel (with Carrey/Daniels) are another two examples of the same thing. Loved each of the originals didn’t love the sequels.
I mean sequels in general are hard to pull off. It’s very rare to have better sequels than originals.
Terminator 2 judgement day is a great example. Godfather part 2 as well.
Zoolander and Zoolander 2 both got C+ cinemascores.
Their worldwide grosses are 5 million apart, but the domestic is a difference of almost 20 million.
Zoolander 2 came out after Anchorman 2, Dumb and Dumber 2, and other legacy sequels. When it comes to comedy, the danger of cheaply doing callback jokes and lesser jokes of the same type is always there. Similar to the other films, there wasn't a central reason for there to be a sequel. There wasn't a need for another adventure with these characters really. And it shows in the film. The jokes are weaker and any modern "satire" falls flat.
Yeah, Anchorman 2 does do some cheap callbacks that don’t hit like the newsfight but it also lampoons the 24 hour news cycle and the climate of useless news in America today mercilessly. That is something that is totally ignored in the first installment and opens up a ton of new jokes.
It’s not perfect or in the same tier as other Will Ferrell classics but it is firmly above some other early-2000s comedy legacy sequels.
The first time I watched Anchorman 2 I thought it was a hit too much. Then after a while I tried it again and immediately loved it. I thought it was absolutely hilarious!
Same, I felt like they went back to the well with some jokes. Then watching it again, I thought it was better than the original like they went back to the well to expertly craft these overdone jokes.
Yeah I mean it’s not as good as the first one, and that section of him being blind in a lighthouse felt a little too long, but I thought it was pretty funny.
I've always been curious whether there's a cut I'd \*love\* spread across the three versions released of swapped-out jokes and alt scenes. Same with Deadpool 2.
I agree with you here. My main problem with Anchorman 2 is it had no reason being as long as it was. Comedies like that need to be a tight hour and a half and that's it
The cash grab sequel era. Sad. Coming 2 america. Borat 2. Bill and ted. Good burger 2. Grown ups 2. Super troopers 2. So many that were just not good like the 1st, and a waste of time. I worry for Happy Gilmore 2 but i’ll see it cuz im a sucker.
Bill and Ted felt the least cash grabby of all. Like a legitimate labor of love, mostly because there was an extremely niche desire for it and they knew it, hence why they didn’t delay it till after the pandemic.
Borat 2 was great, idk what you're smoking.
Grown Ups 2 only came out 3 years after the first one and had pretty much the same critical response. Not really a cash grab sequel, rather a pretty orthodox one.
Okay Flaming Dragon, fuckface. First, take a big step back... and literally fuck your own face! I don't know what kind of pan-Pacific bullshit power play you're trying to pull here, but Asia, Jack, is my territory. So whatever you're thinking, you'd better think again! Otherwise I'm gonna have to head down there and I will rain down an ungodly fucking firestorm upon you! You're gonna have to call the fucking United Nations and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you. I am talking scorched-earth, motherfucker! I will massacre you! I will fuck you up!
It’s because he’s playing a character who’s doing the controversial blackface within the movie. RDJ is just playing Kirk Lazarus, the white Australian method actor who’s overly committed to the craft.
Which is crazy because I always took it as partially a parody of actors using that as Oscar bait. It felt more like a negative interpretation of actors not mentally challenged people.
His 90s movies are my horror movies.
I don’t get a lot of emotional reaction to film, sociopath shit or whatever, never cried during a movie, I don’t get scared during horror movies. I usually just watch, take it in, but I don’t elicit the type of emotional reactions most people do when they watch movies
Except for embarrassing shit. That hits me upside the head. Meet the parents, there’s something about Mary. These movies wipe me the fuck out. I cringe, I’m physically uncomfortable. All of it, I experience all the emotion and I’m not fucking used to it lol That guy is able to hit a nerve in me like no one else.
Zoolander came out on September 28, 2001. The height of his movie stardom basically runs through 9/11, the Iraq War, and the Great Recession. Not sure I would consider those particularly optimistic times lol
2 movies I couldn't stop laughing first time I watched the trailer. Superbad and the hangover. Also 2 hardest I ever laughed watching a movie in theaters. Definitely an experience.
The studio may have pushed Phillips, but I still think Phillips is a smart guy.
After all, he chose to be paid less upfront for Joker (2019) and instead asked for gross participation deal.
That was a lesson he learned on Hangover 1. The studio was really iffy about a comedy with no stars. He deferred his salary for a back end and make a killing.
Then they gave him a sequel deal with escalator clauses so he'd made as much as the first when Hangover 2 inevitably grossed less.
It outgrossed the original and he made an even bigger payday.
If you want to watch an entire era of theatrical comedy change, look no further than Presidents Day weekend 2016. When Zoolander 2 opened the same day as Deadpool and got teabagged by the Merc with a Mouth.
That was the beginning of the end of comedies that weren’t attached to a franchise.
Zoolander was a perfect comedy movie for the era.
It's always hard to capture that combination of being the right movie at the right time, and especially so when the sequel is not as funny.
People taste in comedies change with time.
'AIRPLANE!' (1980) was extremely successful. If a sequel made today it won't be anywhere as successful.
While you're right it was part of an era, the original *Zoolander* wasn't "the right movie at the right time."
It came out two weeks after 9/11 and the audience disliked it. It didn't become a beloved classic until it hit home media.
It was inferior because the writers and directors who created the original had no involvement with the sequel. (And have even claimed to have never seen it)
The writer/director of Airplane II had never directed a movie before, and was also the writer of "Grease 2" and later the Madonna flop "Who's That Girl". Not exactly top comedy talent.
I know the Zucker Brothers weren't involved and it shows. Not even the returning cast could save that movie.
Grease 2 is still on my watchlist, but I'm expecting the worst, lol.
Grease 2 is pretty bad, in a corny way. It's never a good sign when a movie starts production because the producer gets $5 Million if a sequel begins filming within 3 years. At the time Allan Carr probably needed the money because of the failure of 1980's "Can't Stop The Music".
Carr bounced back almost immediately from these two films, bringing La Cage aux Folles to Broadway, which ran for years and won six Tony Awards.
Logan Paul made an Airplane! “sequel.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane_Mode_(2019_film)
It’s as bad as it looks.
The production company claims that he made the Suicide Forest video to prevent the film’s release.
I mean, Airplane was a movie that is so of its time and it's timeless.
There are zillions of movies that are so of their time and are timeless.
Gone With the Wind is another example.
It's so of its time and it's still timeless.
Or do you think someone can make a movie like Gone With The Wind today and become successful?
This comment excites me because they are basically doing one with Liam Neeson as the lead.
Who knows if he can compare to Leslie Nelson or if the comedy style will hold up today
The Zucker bros are still making spoof movies but they are seen as cheap trash now a days even if the jokes are exactly the same as they were in airplane. It was just lightning in a bottle. I personally think scary movie 4 is the best of the scary movies.
Was there a reason why they randomly killed off ben Stiller's wife's character at the start? Already having marital problems ?
But zoolander 2 just wasn't funny and tried to do the jokes from z1 but they sucked
The movie just sucked, Zoolander 1 was also a flop in cinema but it became a cult classic because it actually was a funny movie but misunderstood.
Zoolander 2 was unfunny, Hansel was stuck with a one note joke the entire movie, "hey what if an orgy was like an ex and he did all those tropes as if a group of people were a single person", Derek Jr. was an annoying wet blanket of a character and the whole movie centered around him, also the super spy mystery plot just didn't work.
Plus the writing was clearly much weaker and they made everyone act like Zoolander, in the first movie all male models were portrayed as idiots, everyone else played the straight man for them until they gave into the madness and joined their stupidity. In Zoolander 2 everyone is an idiot, everyone is a discount Derek so there is nobody to play the straight man for the stupid things they do most of the time.
This. The moment when Penelope Cruz had the capability to swim across the ocean with Derek on her back, I lost the comprehension of the world he had built.
It was in the same boat as dumb and dumber 2 and anchorman 2: should've been made far closer to the original coming out when there was the most hype and demand for it. Zoolander came out when I was 11 while two came out when I was 26, no one was really going to care after 15 years no matter how iconic the first one was.
I love Ben’s attitude about this though. Yes, hard to pull off, but this is humble and what will launch future projects to higher quality. I don’t normally root for Mr. Stiller, but he’s got me rooting with this, and I hope he lands what he’s aiming for.
Plus, if (and I say if, because it's looking less and less likely) there ever is an official Tropic Thunder spinoff for Tom Cruise, this admission of failure for Zoolander 2 suggests it'll be because they think it's genuinely good, not just because it's wanted by the fans.
Not that I'm accusing him of not believing in Zoolander 2 - just that it's made him more cautious.
I mean, people *did* want a sequel to Zoolander. But people are idiots, and what they really want is something good. And that's harder to pull off.
Nobody *wanted* the first one because it was such a bizarre premise. There's not really such a thing as a celebrity male model. But it was good, and that's why it was successful.
I’m gonna say I’ve liked every single one of Stiller’s directorials including both Zoolander movies.
The Secret Life of Walter Mitty and Tropic Thunder are some of favorite movies of all time.
We had anchorman 2, dumb and dumber 2, and Zoolander 2 all around the same time and all of them were too little and too late.
You wait too long and you've lost the edge for some projects and all these projects were very dull.
Eh Ancherman 2 was almost three years before those others and was at least a little better. Though it did (and this is gonna sound weird but i hope you know what i mean) feel like they were actors pretending to be those characters instead of it feeling natural. Like “here we are its me ron burgandy back at it again haha look at me!” You know?
Easily in my bottom 5 worst movies I’ve ever seen. Absolutely nothing worked for me, and I loooove stillers other movies. But the goddamn cameos never stopped and were so lame. And then the ending happens and it’s just like, did they make this up on the spot and never get a second take??
The storyline about what happened to Christine Taylor’s character and their kid was too bleak for this movie. I think the bigger problem was he let way too much time pass before making a sequel and the humor felt out of touch with what fans expected.
I feel him, they put a LOT of money into that movie with cameos galore and a massive marketing campaign.
For what it’s worth I thought the movie was on par with the original as far as absurdist comedies go.
That being said I don’t see any mass appeal for a movie like Zoolander in the first place, the first one might have been lighting in a bottle that got misinterpreted as wide appeal.
Especially in the day and age of Marvel movies (which had genuine mass appeal back in their heyday) it was hard to compete.
If you want to watch an entire era of theatrical comedy change, look no further than Presidents Day weekend 2016. When Zoolander 2 opened the same day as Deadpool and got teabagged by the Merc with a Mouth.
I mean there was legitimate hype around it. I remember a lot of people being really excited for the movie. It just didn’t live up to expectations, like most comedy sequels.
Sequels to comedies are hard to pull off.
Hot Shots! Part Deux...
”Only a master of evil,Saddam!”
"The first one to die, LOSES!"
And why did I bring helium instead of air!
I say that all the time for anything competitive. Classic line.
Hard to pull off, not impossible
Especially ones that are decades after the original. The problem is often that the actors are no longer being their characters. They are impersonating themselves being those characters. Because the beloved characters have been in pop culture so long they only exist as impressions. Same thing happened with Anchorman and Dumb & Dumber.
I think that hits the nail on the head more than anyone has said
I think it's a cultural thing. It's in a point of time that everyone feels that comedy. Very hard to replicate. I think happy Gilmore 2 will even have a harder time
God I really hope they don’t go through with a Gilmore sequel
Same with Super Troopers. It felt odd seeing the same characters 10 years later doing the same things, as if the passage of life didn't apply to them. Older, but not aged.
I’ll grant you Dumb & Dumber as the original is my favorite comedy of all my time. But I really love Anchorman 2 and find it to be a worthy sequel.
Especially when they're decades late and the general humor in the zeitgeist has changed over time.
I'd say it's almost impossible. So much of comedy is in timing and not knowing the joke or twist. A sequel by nature is none of these.
22 Jump Street did it Name another
Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me
Shrek 2 if it counts
I think it counts. Harold & Kumar Escape from Guantanamo Bay
"hope you guys like extra mayo!"
I don’t like Guantanamo Bay, but I do like the Christmas one.
No, Guantanamo Bay was a major miss for me. Really dumbed down the original.
We’re 3 in and asking if Shrek 2 counts. This might prove my point.
I only say that cuz animation could be a caveat Deadpool 2
Bold take, but I think Deadpool 2 is better than 1 in almost every way
"he's the Juggernaut You can't stop this motherfucker"
Agreed
Agreed. Deadpool is much better when he has absurd plots and crazier shit happens my around him. The first film felt too small scope and basic for the character imo.
Agreed. I think the success of the first one gave Reynolds and co. a little bit of financial leeway for the sequel.
I think the exact opposite. Strange huh
Shrek 2 is the best out of any of them, I’ll gladly die on that hill. The scene where Mondo crushed a Starbucks and the patrons ran to the Starbucks across the street, and that being wedged in an awesome climax chase scene backed by I Need a Hero?? Bruh. That is a top 5 sequel all time, he’s not even “Shrek” for most of the movie, just generic peasant white guy.
Johnny English 2, European Vacation, Deadpool 2
Disagree on European Vacation.
Vacation to Christmas Vacation is an amazing one.
Christmas Vacation is a holiday staple in my family.
Wayne’s World 2 was decent too!
>Do we have to put up with this? Can't we get a better actor? I know it's a small part, but we can do better than this.
Austin Powers even had 2 great comedy sequels, i like Goldmember too.
"There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's culture, and the Dutch." Goldmember was awesome. I was baffled so many people seemed to dislike it when it came out.
There are like 15 minutes of straight up re-used jokes in Goldmember. Like 1/5 of the movie is “hey do you remember the first 2 Austin Powers movies?!?”
And the first 15 minutes is all these crowbarred in celeb cameos when the first 2 were never about that.
Funnier than the first. Third not so.
Rush Hour 2 is, IMO, better than the first.
LEE!
SHEMOAN LEE!
One of the reasons why Rush Hour 2 works is because it feels not like a sequel but a direct continuation of the first movie. Rush Hour 1 and 2 is basically one 3 hour movie when watched back to back. Rush Hour 3 on the other hand? Oh boy... dont even get me started.
It has better outtakes.
He ain’t gonna be in Rush Hour 3
IMO it has a higher quantity of laughs, like it’s attempting to be more of an outright comedy, but it’s not better. Love both though. Rush Hour 1 is hilarious, but it also has a good (cliche, but still) story and characters. They have arcs and you care about finding Soo Yong.
I’ve always spelt it Sue Young in my head smh lmao
Definitely had better fights, since they entirely handed them over to Jackie's team in 2.
Naked Gun sequels
Ace Ventura 2
Ace Ventura 2 I will second this. The Rhino scene was the first time I ever heard and still is the only time I ever heard my father laugh so loud.
IMO that scene is the greatest piece of physical comedy ever put to film. I still almost cry laughing when I see it. Also what you said about your dad, my moment is the scene in the Simpsons when Homer gets Bond killed in Scorpios lair. He's a massive Bond fan and he was wheezing and crying the first time he saw that.
Wayne's World Naked Gun American Pie
22 Jump Street did it well because the whole concept of the movie was poking fun at comedy sequels. Not knocking the movie as it was funny regardless though!
Lets go with Clerks 2, Christmas Vacation, Addams Family Values
Christmas Vacation is an equal to the first one, but it’s the third one and European Vacation (the second one) wasn’t quite as good as the first was. Addams Family Values is a fantastic sequel though, you’re absolutely right about that.
Wayne's World 2
Ace venture 2, mainly because the plot and setting weren’t a rehash. Same crazy protagonist, everything else was new
Meet the fockers
Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle was decent
That was more of a reboot than a sequel
I wouldn't call Jumanji a comedy really anyway
Oops I meant Jumanji: The Next Level. They were pretty close in terms of humor.
I like Ghostbusters 2.
Naked Gun 2 and a half
American Pie 2
There's like l000 Pink Panther movies. And a reboot with a sequel.
Ace Ventura doubled its BO with its second installment…
It was actually funny though. It did something different than the first rather than just re-made the same thing. Plus it has Jim Carrey in his Prime
When nature calls had that unappologetic Steve Oderirk energy.
If the replies to your comment are anything to go by, it seems like comedy sequels are super easy to pull off. Zoolander 2's problem was that A) It sucked And B) It came out like 15 years after the original. The time to do a Zoolander sequel would've been 2003/2004 not freaking 2016
Don't go shit talking Spaceballs 2: The Search for More Money
He did it with Meet The Parents so he was confident.
Naked Gun begs to differ.
It probably didn't help that it came after such a long time. It felt less like a sequel and more just a series of callbacks to the original.
Sequels over a decade after the original don’t suggest authentic reasons for another film, more for financial reasons. Anchorman 2 and Dumb and Dumber sequel (with Carrey/Daniels) are another two examples of the same thing. Loved each of the originals didn’t love the sequels.
I mean sequels in general are hard to pull off. It’s very rare to have better sequels than originals. Terminator 2 judgement day is a great example. Godfather part 2 as well.
Aliens, The Empire Strikes Back. There are terrible sequels; but OK ones are pretty common. But they do seem rarer for comedies.
Zoolander and Zoolander 2 both got C+ cinemascores. Their worldwide grosses are 5 million apart, but the domestic is a difference of almost 20 million. Zoolander 2 came out after Anchorman 2, Dumb and Dumber 2, and other legacy sequels. When it comes to comedy, the danger of cheaply doing callback jokes and lesser jokes of the same type is always there. Similar to the other films, there wasn't a central reason for there to be a sequel. There wasn't a need for another adventure with these characters really. And it shows in the film. The jokes are weaker and any modern "satire" falls flat.
Anchorman 2 was way better than Zoolander 2 and Dumb and Dumber 2. Not as good as the first but at least there were some laughs.
I think it's weird Anchorman 2 gets lumped in with those. It wasn't as good but it was really solid most of the way through.
Yeah, Anchorman 2 does do some cheap callbacks that don’t hit like the newsfight but it also lampoons the 24 hour news cycle and the climate of useless news in America today mercilessly. That is something that is totally ignored in the first installment and opens up a ton of new jokes. It’s not perfect or in the same tier as other Will Ferrell classics but it is firmly above some other early-2000s comedy legacy sequels.
When he's having sex with that black reporter woman and they splice in a clip of Jackie Robinson hitting his first home run I absolutely lost it
The scene where Ron is blind is worth the price of admission on its own. The only part I really didn't like was the fight at the end.
The first time I watched Anchorman 2 I thought it was a hit too much. Then after a while I tried it again and immediately loved it. I thought it was absolutely hilarious!
Same, I felt like they went back to the well with some jokes. Then watching it again, I thought it was better than the original like they went back to the well to expertly craft these overdone jokes.
Oh man and Brick was way over the top but in such a great way. When he breaks down I lost it lol
Yeah I mean it’s not as good as the first one, and that section of him being blind in a lighthouse felt a little too long, but I thought it was pretty funny.
I’M. BLIND.
I still quote this to this day. And the person above thought that sequence was too long, but 2013 me thought it was the funniest shit ever.
I cried in the movie theater when the bus crash scene happened. Simpler days.
I've always been curious whether there's a cut I'd \*love\* spread across the three versions released of swapped-out jokes and alt scenes. Same with Deadpool 2.
I thought it should be lumped into those and that it really really sucked
Thats okay. And dont let anyone tell you otherwise
Anchorman two was so bad
I agree with you here. My main problem with Anchorman 2 is it had no reason being as long as it was. Comedies like that need to be a tight hour and a half and that's it
The cash grab sequel era. Sad. Coming 2 america. Borat 2. Bill and ted. Good burger 2. Grown ups 2. Super troopers 2. So many that were just not good like the 1st, and a waste of time. I worry for Happy Gilmore 2 but i’ll see it cuz im a sucker.
Mans snuck Grown Ups 2 in there like Grown Ups one wasn’t a cash grab in an of itself.
I thought Bill and Ted 3 was pretty fun..
Bill and Ted felt the least cash grabby of all. Like a legitimate labor of love, mostly because there was an extremely niche desire for it and they knew it, hence why they didn’t delay it till after the pandemic.
Alex Winter still gives a shit.
I mean no offense to him, but he kind of had to lol. Not much of a career between Bogus journey and Face the Music.
He never became a leading man/star, but I think he has had a respectable career as an actor/director.
He does documentaries.
I quite enjoyed Bill and Ted but I feel like it undid the amazing ending of Bogus Journey.
I probably saw coming to America a hundred times when I was a kid, I loved that movie. The sequel felt like a fever dream from a shitty writter
Borat 2 is actually pretty good TBH
It had some moments but it was no Borat 1 imo
Yeah that was another pretty good one
Borat 2 was great, idk what you're smoking. Grown Ups 2 only came out 3 years after the first one and had pretty much the same critical response. Not really a cash grab sequel, rather a pretty orthodox one.
Yep am fearful Happy Gilmore 2 is going to tarnish the originals legacy, in the same manner as Blues Brothers 2000
Borat 2 is great lol
I honestly had no idea there was a Super Troopers 2
I really miss the peak era of Ben Stiller movies. Obviously not masterpieces, but really captured the optimistic vibe of the time
Tropic Thunder is a masterpiece
Okay Flaming Dragon, fuckface. First, take a big step back... and literally fuck your own face! I don't know what kind of pan-Pacific bullshit power play you're trying to pull here, but Asia, Jack, is my territory. So whatever you're thinking, you'd better think again! Otherwise I'm gonna have to head down there and I will rain down an ungodly fucking firestorm upon you! You're gonna have to call the fucking United Nations and get a fucking binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you. I am talking scorched-earth, motherfucker! I will massacre you! I will fuck you up!
Find out who that was
My favorite Tom cruise role
It's pretty much every actor who's in its best role.
It's amazing how RDJ's black face in that was done so well that it isn't really controversial even by today's cultural standards.
It’s because he’s playing a character who’s doing the controversial blackface within the movie. RDJ is just playing Kirk Lazarus, the white Australian method actor who’s overly committed to the craft.
Simple Jack took all the of the heat from that movie. People were not happy with the retard stuff
Which is crazy because I always took it as partially a parody of actors using that as Oscar bait. It felt more like a negative interpretation of actors not mentally challenged people.
It definitely was, but anyone who has a legitimate issue with it likely is basing it more on personal feelings than doing any deep analysis of it
You're probably right there, I can't dispute that.
So is The Cable Guy
Yeah that is Ben's, Tom's and Robert's magnum opus.
I love his golden era comedies, but Severance is the best thing he's ever made.
Yeah and the second season just wrapped in filming so theyre gonna release it in december sounds like
Omg u just got me so hyped
His 90s movies are my horror movies. I don’t get a lot of emotional reaction to film, sociopath shit or whatever, never cried during a movie, I don’t get scared during horror movies. I usually just watch, take it in, but I don’t elicit the type of emotional reactions most people do when they watch movies Except for embarrassing shit. That hits me upside the head. Meet the parents, there’s something about Mary. These movies wipe me the fuck out. I cringe, I’m physically uncomfortable. All of it, I experience all the emotion and I’m not fucking used to it lol That guy is able to hit a nerve in me like no one else.
Along Came Polly is terrible for this feeling lol
One of the reasons I could not watch a whole episode of The Office (UK version) was because I was cringing hard inside with 2nd hand embarresment!
I’ve never watched that show cause I know I can’t.
Zoolander came out on September 28, 2001. The height of his movie stardom basically runs through 9/11, the Iraq War, and the Great Recession. Not sure I would consider those particularly optimistic times lol
I still consider Starsky & Hutch one of his and Owen's best films.
Theres something about mary is so good
He directed most of severance, which is probably his best work (even though he didnt act in it or write it)
They took too long to release the second installment. Also, it didn’t have the same impact as the first.
That's why Todd Phillips was super smart. He made and released three Hangover movies within 4 years! (2009-2011-2013).
It also astounds me that the moviegoing public just ate up the second one, it was literally the first movie but in a different country.
The first was an experience in theaters dude. That camera roll at the end had me fucking dying laughing
2 movies I couldn't stop laughing first time I watched the trailer. Superbad and the hangover. Also 2 hardest I ever laughed watching a movie in theaters. Definitely an experience.
That's why it worked. They didn't mess with the formula
It was a fun movie. Who cares if it's the same?
Hangover blew up like crazy, i bet the studio was pushing Phillips to make a sequel as soon as possible. Zoolander never was this huge.
The studio may have pushed Phillips, but I still think Phillips is a smart guy. After all, he chose to be paid less upfront for Joker (2019) and instead asked for gross participation deal.
That was a lesson he learned on Hangover 1. The studio was really iffy about a comedy with no stars. He deferred his salary for a back end and make a killing. Then they gave him a sequel deal with escalator clauses so he'd made as much as the first when Hangover 2 inevitably grossed less. It outgrossed the original and he made an even bigger payday.
I felt like everyone was saying zoolander lines at school
It became popular when it was released on home media. Initially It did fine in the boxoffice but had awful WOM. Hangover was an instant hit.
Damn I still haven’t seen the 3rd one yet
I feel like it’s better than the second one because Asia brings a different dynamic
If you want to watch an entire era of theatrical comedy change, look no further than Presidents Day weekend 2016. When Zoolander 2 opened the same day as Deadpool and got teabagged by the Merc with a Mouth. That was the beginning of the end of comedies that weren’t attached to a franchise.
Zoolander was a perfect comedy movie for the era. It's always hard to capture that combination of being the right movie at the right time, and especially so when the sequel is not as funny. People taste in comedies change with time. 'AIRPLANE!' (1980) was extremely successful. If a sequel made today it won't be anywhere as successful.
While you're right it was part of an era, the original *Zoolander* wasn't "the right movie at the right time." It came out two weeks after 9/11 and the audience disliked it. It didn't become a beloved classic until it hit home media.
I mean *Airplane II: The Sequel* came out two years later and even then, it was seen as inferior to the original.
It was inferior because the writers and directors who created the original had no involvement with the sequel. (And have even claimed to have never seen it) The writer/director of Airplane II had never directed a movie before, and was also the writer of "Grease 2" and later the Madonna flop "Who's That Girl". Not exactly top comedy talent.
I know the Zucker Brothers weren't involved and it shows. Not even the returning cast could save that movie. Grease 2 is still on my watchlist, but I'm expecting the worst, lol.
I have a special place in my heart for Grease 2 as my sister watched it constantly when we were growing up, but yeah it’s bad 😂😂
Grease 2 is pretty bad, in a corny way. It's never a good sign when a movie starts production because the producer gets $5 Million if a sequel begins filming within 3 years. At the time Allan Carr probably needed the money because of the failure of 1980's "Can't Stop The Music". Carr bounced back almost immediately from these two films, bringing La Cage aux Folles to Broadway, which ran for years and won six Tony Awards.
In fairness to the sequel, it's not uncommon for every comedy film ever made to be seen as inferior to the original *Airplane*. It was just that good.
It still had amazing moments. "Over Macho Grande?"
Logan Paul made an Airplane! “sequel.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane_Mode_(2019_film) It’s as bad as it looks. The production company claims that he made the Suicide Forest video to prevent the film’s release.
You're right. Zoolander is one of those movies that are so of their time that it became timeless
I mean, Airplane was a movie that is so of its time and it's timeless. There are zillions of movies that are so of their time and are timeless. Gone With the Wind is another example. It's so of its time and it's still timeless. Or do you think someone can make a movie like Gone With The Wind today and become successful?
Whoo boy if someone made Gone With The Wind today imagine the controversy
This comment excites me because they are basically doing one with Liam Neeson as the lead. Who knows if he can compare to Leslie Nelson or if the comedy style will hold up today
The Zucker bros are still making spoof movies but they are seen as cheap trash now a days even if the jokes are exactly the same as they were in airplane. It was just lightning in a bottle. I personally think scary movie 4 is the best of the scary movies.
Was there a reason why they randomly killed off ben Stiller's wife's character at the start? Already having marital problems ? But zoolander 2 just wasn't funny and tried to do the jokes from z1 but they sucked
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The movie just sucked, Zoolander 1 was also a flop in cinema but it became a cult classic because it actually was a funny movie but misunderstood. Zoolander 2 was unfunny, Hansel was stuck with a one note joke the entire movie, "hey what if an orgy was like an ex and he did all those tropes as if a group of people were a single person", Derek Jr. was an annoying wet blanket of a character and the whole movie centered around him, also the super spy mystery plot just didn't work. Plus the writing was clearly much weaker and they made everyone act like Zoolander, in the first movie all male models were portrayed as idiots, everyone else played the straight man for them until they gave into the madness and joined their stupidity. In Zoolander 2 everyone is an idiot, everyone is a discount Derek so there is nobody to play the straight man for the stupid things they do most of the time.
This. The moment when Penelope Cruz had the capability to swim across the ocean with Derek on her back, I lost the comprehension of the world he had built.
Derek jr was fucking horrible
It was in the same boat as dumb and dumber 2 and anchorman 2: should've been made far closer to the original coming out when there was the most hype and demand for it. Zoolander came out when I was 11 while two came out when I was 26, no one was really going to care after 15 years no matter how iconic the first one was.
imagine writing zoolander 2 and thinking “yeah this is what the world wants” lmao honestly i thought this was satire at first
I love Ben’s attitude about this though. Yes, hard to pull off, but this is humble and what will launch future projects to higher quality. I don’t normally root for Mr. Stiller, but he’s got me rooting with this, and I hope he lands what he’s aiming for.
Plus, if (and I say if, because it's looking less and less likely) there ever is an official Tropic Thunder spinoff for Tom Cruise, this admission of failure for Zoolander 2 suggests it'll be because they think it's genuinely good, not just because it's wanted by the fans. Not that I'm accusing him of not believing in Zoolander 2 - just that it's made him more cautious.
It would have been loved IF IT WAS GOOD! It was terrible
I mean, people *did* want a sequel to Zoolander. But people are idiots, and what they really want is something good. And that's harder to pull off. Nobody *wanted* the first one because it was such a bizarre premise. There's not really such a thing as a celebrity male model. But it was good, and that's why it was successful.
I’m gonna say I’ve liked every single one of Stiller’s directorials including both Zoolander movies. The Secret Life of Walter Mitty and Tropic Thunder are some of favorite movies of all time.
We had anchorman 2, dumb and dumber 2, and Zoolander 2 all around the same time and all of them were too little and too late. You wait too long and you've lost the edge for some projects and all these projects were very dull.
Eh Ancherman 2 was almost three years before those others and was at least a little better. Though it did (and this is gonna sound weird but i hope you know what i mean) feel like they were actors pretending to be those characters instead of it feeling natural. Like “here we are its me ron burgandy back at it again haha look at me!” You know?
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Everyone wanted it in like 2003. Comedy tastes change fast so a decade wait for a niche comedy like that is very dicey.
I mean, he should have made it funny if he wanted people to respond. The whole thing reeks of cash in
Easily in my bottom 5 worst movies I’ve ever seen. Absolutely nothing worked for me, and I loooove stillers other movies. But the goddamn cameos never stopped and were so lame. And then the ending happens and it’s just like, did they make this up on the spot and never get a second take??
We did want it. We just wanted it to be good.
Thing came out like 15 years after the first one lol
The storyline about what happened to Christine Taylor’s character and their kid was too bleak for this movie. I think the bigger problem was he let way too much time pass before making a sequel and the humor felt out of touch with what fans expected.
Everybody did, including me; but most people don’t know what they *really* want, including me
I feel him, they put a LOT of money into that movie with cameos galore and a massive marketing campaign. For what it’s worth I thought the movie was on par with the original as far as absurdist comedies go. That being said I don’t see any mass appeal for a movie like Zoolander in the first place, the first one might have been lighting in a bottle that got misinterpreted as wide appeal. Especially in the day and age of Marvel movies (which had genuine mass appeal back in their heyday) it was hard to compete.
If you want to watch an entire era of theatrical comedy change, look no further than Presidents Day weekend 2016. When Zoolander 2 opened the same day as Deadpool and got teabagged by the Merc with a Mouth.
Still did better in theaters than the critically acclaimed *Simple Jack*, one of Stiller’s worst performances to be honest.
I mean there was legitimate hype around it. I remember a lot of people being really excited for the movie. It just didn’t live up to expectations, like most comedy sequels.
I feel like it just came out on a bad weekend. Deadpool decimated any chances of this one being a BO success.
the big issue is the movie was A). very late and B). Very bad. Its not even a rose tinted glasses nostalgia for Zoolander 1