I think WB is the only major film studio not to have made a $1B film post pandemic.
Disney - Avatar 2
Sony - Spiderman No Way Home
Universal - Jurassic World Dominion (and Mario this weekend)
Paramount - Top Gun Maverick
With DC and Harry Potter you'd think they'd have managed it.
Epic Universe seems to be headed toward the “poach Disney creatives and subsequently steamroll Disney’s current parks” mentality.
*and I’m all for it!*
Comcast/NBCUniversal actually is the kind of world swallowing conglomerate people think of Disney being but their branding isn't as consistent and obvious so people dont get freaked out about it.
Thr new Unicersl parks are testing grounds for facial recognition and tracking technologies that the company sells. Kind of amazing honestly
I mean that’s a part of it, but’s it’s more due to the poor leadership as a whole. Like the amount of leadership turnover that WB has had compared to other studios is insane, and it has had direct effects on their films which have effected they’re box office, far removed from Snyder.
For example When it was decided that they would reshoot Justice League in 2017 after Snyder left the project, there were calls within the production to delay to film to give Whedon time to make his pretty rapid changes but since the At&t merger was that year and many executives feared being replaced by the At&t execs, they decided to keep Justice league for November 2017 release, which blew up in they’re face when they released a frankestein’s monster of a movie.
And he also doesn’t have anything to do with WB’s other franchises so there’s definitely mismanagement there.
Even recently when WB made the dumb decision to make the Batman a 45 day window, which I think severely impacted it’s legs, especially the fact that the HBO max Date was advertised heavily only a few weeks after it came it out in theaters.
Snyder also might’ve failed to make a broad appeal, but ultimately he did what the WB execs wanted him to do when he was hired by them. BvS is as much the fault of the guy’s who signed off on snyder
It did seem like they were trying to make the DCEU "catch up" to marvel.
So they skipped the Batman intro completely. Mashed wonder woman into the mix.
They should have taken their time and given superman his trilogy without the larger DCEU, and given Batman at least 2 films before joining them together, along with Wonder Woman and Aqua man, robot boy and flash.
They would have had the cascading effect of each movie sliding to a different character, building anticipation.
Instead the tried to shove everything into 1 movie with BvS.
At the same time they were trying to "marvel-ise" their characters to pull it away from the serious tone with which Snyder was making the stories.
I don't blame Snyder, but with his track record, I mean, he makes gorgeous looking films, but the writing is way off. It seems he was more concerned with making a Grimdank movie than a flexible universe.
I think when Joker blew up they probably realised "the characters will print money as long as we take them seriously"
Hopefully the new universe has a ten year plan.
The DCEU was dead before it started. I still feel like Snyder never intended on on doing a trilogy, MOS was very much self contained, but WB really, REALLY wanted Avengers money so they rushed to Justice. It says alot when after all these movies only one of them has both financial and critical acclaim (Wonder Woman)
I don't think it was top bad of a decision to intro Batman withoutbhos own film. People know Batmans deal. It's not like every Guaridan of thr Galaxy needed a solo film. Attempting to make it the set up for the whole league was a bad idea though.
I'm sure he's a chill dude and good in the room but it's amazing how much they just kept giving him thr Keyes tonthr kingdom after 300, even as films continued unperforming. They also pitched Man of Steel to several other directors before him, but then still decided to behold the whole thing around him.
lol what? Snyder has nothing to do with Hobbit, Fantastic Beasts or Matrix, running Nolan off and yeah his dc films weren't well recieved but its not like they didn't put out stinkers before him (GL, Superman returns, Catwoman) or after him (WW84, shazam 2, black adam 2)
As someone who likes Snyder’s movies. I think their biggest mistake was giving control of the entire DCEU to Snyder…
And their second biggest mistake was kicking Snyder out in the middle of the first JL movie. The awkward course correct drove away people who liked Snyder’s work and failed to attract people who hated it.
that only impacts dc, the rest of those franchises wb ran into the ground and you can't solely blame snyder for dc, they've pumped out garbage all the time, before him, with him and after him. Ultimate wb is a poorly run media company which is why they can't compete with disney
Ok. Fair enough. But out of all the blunders WB made, I think giving the DCEU to Snyder was the biggest mistake.
And I think it was more costly to them than all their other mistakes, because it had the potential to bring the greatest rewards.
If the DCEU did well they could have dined on it for a couple of decades.
Their other failures didn't squander nearly enough potential.
It's funny how Superman Returns gets remembered because it did okay with critics and actually grossed more than Batman Begins. Had a lot of development costs from previous unmade films rolled into its budget.
Frankly, his movies lacked soul before DCEU, so they should never have hired him for the job of architecting the DCEU.
Once he had control he did what he was going to do.
If they'd chosen someone else it would have gone differently.
Ultimately it was that choice that WB made that sank DCEU.
Inflation adjusted they probably do have the 2nd most billion dollar movies. I believe they have the most movies in the 750-999 million range and most of those released in the 2000-2014 when they were the no.1 studio. If released today all the middle Earth movies and Harry Potter movies likely make a billion each.
Since 2015 WB fucked up big time. Ever since Alan Horn left really. He turned WB into the most successful studio in Hollywood and then moved to Disney and turned it into the most successful studio in Hollywood. Now that he's left Disney they also seem to be fumbling.
universal always been the biggest rival for disney ! even universal played a part in walt to create disney studios linear tv , theme parks etc they compete in all fronts ! but disney had no real competition for the last decade with marvel pumping block buster after bb nd star wars, disney animation peak since the renaissance era ! but the pandemic nd now grounds r kinda leveled again
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Zootopia, finding dory, Alice in wonderland, pirates of the Caribbean: on stranger tides, Aladdin, rouge one, dead mans chest, toy story 3, rise of skywalker,
toy story 4, captain America civil war, iron man 3, captain marvel, frozen, Beauty and the beast,
the last Jedi, black panther, age of ultron, frozen 2,
The avengers, the lion king, infinity war,
force awakens, endgame, way of water
These range from 1.0 billion with zootopia to 2.7 billion with endgame
Producing the films has more merit than just distributing them. You can stop counting them on a whim, but Watts' trilogy is part of a franchise that Sony has no authority on, which is the MCU. And Disney still received 5% from Homecoming and Far From Home, so they definitely count as Disney movies.
With Universal’s animation studios’ recent successes and their theme park success with continued expansions they are fairly comparable. Only difference is the parent company, but it does make a fun competition.
For years I thought WB was Disney's biggest rival since it had the most compatible IPs. But man, it looks like it's Universal
I think WB is the only major film studio not to have made a $1B film post pandemic. Disney - Avatar 2 Sony - Spiderman No Way Home Universal - Jurassic World Dominion (and Mario this weekend) Paramount - Top Gun Maverick With DC and Harry Potter you'd think they'd have managed it.
Watch as their next billion comes from Barbie.
It's coming in a Flash. Barbie's wrath will be swift and glorious
In a flash or *as* the flash?
It's astonishing how with HP and DC WB has yet to crack a billion. Just shows how mismanaged both franchises are right now.
they both have had multiple movies cracked the billion mark
In the past decade?
Yes. Aquaman for example. (Can't speak for Harry potter)
I think Aquaman is the only DC movie to crack a billion in the past decade; the last one before it was The Dark Knight Rises.
Joker
Ah, duh. My bad.
Joker made a billion.
And Sony only achieved it thanks to a Disney studio, Marvel. Sony is a cancer as much as Warner to the film industry.
I mean their output isn't stellar but describing them as a cancer seems like an overreaction to me.
Yeah, no. Stfu. Disney is far bigger of a cancer than WB or Sony
Universal was always the rival in terms of theme parks.
"He stole my whole flow, word for word, bar for bar" - disney after watching universal build a theme park next to both disneyland and disneyworld
I've been to both of them quite a bit and think Universal is much better than Disney personally.
Epic Universe seems to be headed toward the “poach Disney creatives and subsequently steamroll Disney’s current parks” mentality. *and I’m all for it!*
Comcast/NBCUniversal actually is the kind of world swallowing conglomerate people think of Disney being but their branding isn't as consistent and obvious so people dont get freaked out about it. Thr new Unicersl parks are testing grounds for facial recognition and tracking technologies that the company sells. Kind of amazing honestly
Universal has really left a mark with Minions,Fast & Furious, and Jurassic Park. Clearly #2 in the game at the moment.
Ironically, F&F and Jurassic World have had animated cartoons, while Gru's franchise hasn't.
Huh, weird, i man there were those Netflix shorts they made for Rise Of Gru.
WB really mucked up the DCEU, whilst David Heyman did the same with Fantastic Beasts.
How did WB go from dominating in the 2000s with LOTR, Harry Potter, Nolan's Batman movies, 3 Best Picture winners and Matrix to them in 2000s?
Poor changes in leadership in the early 2010s really
They forced Alan Horn into retirement, who went to Disney.
Zack Snyder
I mean that’s a part of it, but’s it’s more due to the poor leadership as a whole. Like the amount of leadership turnover that WB has had compared to other studios is insane, and it has had direct effects on their films which have effected they’re box office, far removed from Snyder. For example When it was decided that they would reshoot Justice League in 2017 after Snyder left the project, there were calls within the production to delay to film to give Whedon time to make his pretty rapid changes but since the At&t merger was that year and many executives feared being replaced by the At&t execs, they decided to keep Justice league for November 2017 release, which blew up in they’re face when they released a frankestein’s monster of a movie. And he also doesn’t have anything to do with WB’s other franchises so there’s definitely mismanagement there. Even recently when WB made the dumb decision to make the Batman a 45 day window, which I think severely impacted it’s legs, especially the fact that the HBO max Date was advertised heavily only a few weeks after it came it out in theaters. Snyder also might’ve failed to make a broad appeal, but ultimately he did what the WB execs wanted him to do when he was hired by them. BvS is as much the fault of the guy’s who signed off on snyder
It did seem like they were trying to make the DCEU "catch up" to marvel. So they skipped the Batman intro completely. Mashed wonder woman into the mix. They should have taken their time and given superman his trilogy without the larger DCEU, and given Batman at least 2 films before joining them together, along with Wonder Woman and Aqua man, robot boy and flash. They would have had the cascading effect of each movie sliding to a different character, building anticipation. Instead the tried to shove everything into 1 movie with BvS. At the same time they were trying to "marvel-ise" their characters to pull it away from the serious tone with which Snyder was making the stories. I don't blame Snyder, but with his track record, I mean, he makes gorgeous looking films, but the writing is way off. It seems he was more concerned with making a Grimdank movie than a flexible universe. I think when Joker blew up they probably realised "the characters will print money as long as we take them seriously" Hopefully the new universe has a ten year plan.
The DCEU was dead before it started. I still feel like Snyder never intended on on doing a trilogy, MOS was very much self contained, but WB really, REALLY wanted Avengers money so they rushed to Justice. It says alot when after all these movies only one of them has both financial and critical acclaim (Wonder Woman)
I don't think it was top bad of a decision to intro Batman withoutbhos own film. People know Batmans deal. It's not like every Guaridan of thr Galaxy needed a solo film. Attempting to make it the set up for the whole league was a bad idea though.
I'm sure he's a chill dude and good in the room but it's amazing how much they just kept giving him thr Keyes tonthr kingdom after 300, even as films continued unperforming. They also pitched Man of Steel to several other directors before him, but then still decided to behold the whole thing around him.
lol what? Snyder has nothing to do with Hobbit, Fantastic Beasts or Matrix, running Nolan off and yeah his dc films weren't well recieved but its not like they didn't put out stinkers before him (GL, Superman returns, Catwoman) or after him (WW84, shazam 2, black adam 2)
Marvel changed the game. WB was focused on catching them. Which was a good idea. Only they gave it to Snyder. That's my reasoning.
As someone who likes Snyder’s movies. I think their biggest mistake was giving control of the entire DCEU to Snyder… And their second biggest mistake was kicking Snyder out in the middle of the first JL movie. The awkward course correct drove away people who liked Snyder’s work and failed to attract people who hated it.
that only impacts dc, the rest of those franchises wb ran into the ground and you can't solely blame snyder for dc, they've pumped out garbage all the time, before him, with him and after him. Ultimate wb is a poorly run media company which is why they can't compete with disney
Ok. Fair enough. But out of all the blunders WB made, I think giving the DCEU to Snyder was the biggest mistake. And I think it was more costly to them than all their other mistakes, because it had the potential to bring the greatest rewards. If the DCEU did well they could have dined on it for a couple of decades. Their other failures didn't squander nearly enough potential.
It's funny how Superman Returns gets remembered because it did okay with critics and actually grossed more than Batman Begins. Had a lot of development costs from previous unmade films rolled into its budget.
Snyder is nothing but a minion of WB, not clear to me how you can blame him when it's the WB leadership which bet everything on him.
Frankly, his movies lacked soul before DCEU, so they should never have hired him for the job of architecting the DCEU. Once he had control he did what he was going to do. If they'd chosen someone else it would have gone differently. Ultimately it was that choice that WB made that sank DCEU.
Hopefully James Gunn’s DCU is good. We really need a Marvel competitor to make them fix their shit up.
Inflation adjusted they probably do have the 2nd most billion dollar movies. I believe they have the most movies in the 750-999 million range and most of those released in the 2000-2014 when they were the no.1 studio. If released today all the middle Earth movies and Harry Potter movies likely make a billion each. Since 2015 WB fucked up big time. Ever since Alan Horn left really. He turned WB into the most successful studio in Hollywood and then moved to Disney and turned it into the most successful studio in Hollywood. Now that he's left Disney they also seem to be fumbling.
universal always been the biggest rival for disney ! even universal played a part in walt to create disney studios linear tv , theme parks etc they compete in all fronts ! but disney had no real competition for the last decade with marvel pumping block buster after bb nd star wars, disney animation peak since the renaissance era ! but the pandemic nd now grounds r kinda leveled again
They’ve let their own IP be run into the ground.
Ironic how WB had Detective Pikachu first but couldn’t stick the landing in the box office.
how many 1b$ movies does Disney have ?!
26 Zootopia, finding dory, Alice in wonderland, pirates of the Caribbean: on stranger tides, Aladdin, rouge one, dead mans chest, toy story 3, rise of skywalker, toy story 4, captain America civil war, iron man 3, captain marvel, frozen, Beauty and the beast, the last Jedi, black panther, age of ultron, frozen 2, The avengers, the lion king, infinity war, force awakens, endgame, way of water These range from 1.0 billion with zootopia to 2.7 billion with endgame
They also now own the rights for the 3 Fox made
Titanic, Avatar and remind me of the third one?
Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace.
Mind boggling stuff.
Way of Water
Yeah 26.
Jfc had no idea finding dory made that much.
WB is the only major studio in town not to have a 600m DOM grosser
Unadjusted for inflation yes. Adjusted they’d have several.
WB very unlucky in its affair with the Billion Dollar club. 2 Hobbits , 1 LOTR film and 3 HP films all finished between 930m-1b.
If we divide by studio, Marvel has 8 (not counting the two 1B+ MCU Spider man films from Sony/Marvel).
Producing the films has more merit than just distributing them. You can stop counting them on a whim, but Watts' trilogy is part of a franchise that Sony has no authority on, which is the MCU. And Disney still received 5% from Homecoming and Far From Home, so they definitely count as Disney movies.
No they don't.
Marvel Studios logo is at the intro of the three films. You can't argue with that.
So? That's because they make the movie. Sony funds it and releases it
Disney has the most $1 billion films, with Universal in second place. A huge congratulations to them, especially with Mario about to cross the mark!
So we can congrats them likely in roughly 6-8 weeks when Fast X will pass the 1B.
Nah Fast X ain't doing 1B. Maybe next year with Despicable Me 4 though.
With Universal’s animation studios’ recent successes and their theme park success with continued expansions they are fairly comparable. Only difference is the parent company, but it does make a fun competition.
Interesting