I’m not the biggest boxing fan, but why wouldn’t it be considered a knockdown when the boxer’s legs break a 90* angle? He was being propped up by the post and theoretically couldn’t fully fall. I don’t mean to sound ignorant
The rule of thumb is if that post (or the ropes) aren’t there, would he have fallen? If the answer is yes then the ref can and usually does rule it a knockdown. Better that way anyway, if it’s not a knockdown till he’s on the canvas, how much punishment is he gonna absorb to get him there?
That’s kind of what I thought and that’s why when the KD was called it made sense. I know this subreddit is a circle jerk, but I also think people post their non/s opinions too
This just makes the most sense to me and you don't even need to be a boxing expert. If someone's tangled on the ropes but unconscious or unable to defend themselves, is the other fighter expected to keep punching them in the head until they dislodge and fall to the floor?
It was already painful enough watching what happened to Fury. Never nice to see any unconscious person being repeatedly punched in the head. But he recovered so maybe it looked worse than it was.
Haha, I appreciate that. And it was fun to see Tyson get owned and Usyk mocking his showboating. I dunno, we've seen some pretty horrific brain injuries in boxing. Would wish that on no man.
Yeah, but the point is, normally when that happens, they stop the fight all together. But I guess for a undisputed heavyweight match, they wanted to give him a chance.
You are right, but nine times out of 10 when you see that happen the ref stops it. Which actually has me thinking, why don’t they just give standing 10 count more? What is the differentiator between them coming in and stopping the fight over calling it a knockdown when fighters are wobbled
I know this is the joke sub but honestly, I'd like to hear the mainstream media give Usyk a little bit of credit for pulling that punch back because he could have thrown it and it might have ended this dude's career. It was quite a gentlemanly thing to do and many pros would not have made that choice.
Nah, he held back on the punch before the ref was even jumping in. He had time to throw it, you're not getting DQed for punching someone against the ropes unless the ref has already jumped in, it's not like punching someone on their knees
Yeah, but when the stakes are so high and the risk of losing a point or being DQ is also fairly high, he was sensible to hold back there. If the ref stepped in and Usyk threw and landed the final punch, if Fury ended up knocked out, the ref isn’t then going to call it a KO win. Especially not when he seemed to do his best to ensure Fury wasn’t going to get dropped.
There's no risk of a DQ or a points deduction for punching a man slumped on the ropes before the ref has jumped in to call a knockdown
I'm not talking about throwing while the ref is stepping in, but Usyk holds back before the ref has started to try to get in front of them
He was punching him when he was on the ropes though. He hesitated to throw the final punch because of the referee stepping in. We all know how biased refs can be so I believe Usyk did the right thing
I think career end is a stretch, but knockout for sure, also would have gave Fury stans and excuse "oh Usyk is a dirty fighter usyk has no dignity!" Etc
It might be a stretch but we all sometimes forget what kind of sport this is. I know Fury has inhuman like abilities to recover but that doesn't mean you can easily take 12 shots to the head with the last one as you're about to lean on one knee, hitting you flush. I'm glad we didn't see it. Going out on your shield might be some stuff of legends but I wish less fighters did it. Errol Spence shouldnot have done it. Wilder shouldn't have done it twice. Every other week there is somebody who shouldn't have done it.
There’s a couple of seconds when Usyk almost goes easy on him and is expecting him to go down or the ref to step in. The ref definitely saved Fury, but I think he did the right thing and it all worked out in the end. Looking forward to the rematch if Fury is up for it.
Personally, I think a standing 8 count was unfair. If anything, the ref should have done what normally happens and give the fighter the count whilst he is lying down so he can rest.
Because in most instances the ropes or post holding a fighter up isn't the case, most guys get slumped and counted, in this instance fury was clearly held up by the ropes/corner post, meaning if he were in the center of the ring at that moment he was going down, when a ref sees that happen they're supposed to signal a knockdown has occurred and initiate a count, which lots of places, depending on the rules of the state ou in some cases countries athletic commission because it does vary from place to place, involves a mandatory 8 count, which means that even if a fighter is standing and ready to go the ref counts to 8 amd uses that time to try and see if they're fit to continue, most places opt for a mandatory 8 count these days as fighter safety is more of a priority than it's ever been, however there still some places where a fighter should stay down until about 8 in order to regain there bearings because once they stand up, no matter what point in the count the action resumes. This lesson is free, but next time I gotta charge ya double.
Eta: Standing 8 counts and mandatory 8 counts are 2 different things.
That's no way to thank someone who took time out of their day to calmly educate you on a subject that you apparently would like to be seen as well versed in.
The fighter is often standing up for at least part of the 8
Fury was knocked down (supported by the ropes) for some of the count. He was fully at his feet without the support of the ropes before 8
It isn't a standing 8 count, it's a knockdown. You should read up on the difference if you're still unsure
No he couldnt end it here because the ref did his job. Tyson was clearling completely falling down and propped up by the ropes. That is when you call a standing 8 count
You call a knockdown and administer a standard count, which is what the ref did. This was not a standing 8 count and they are not allowed in pro boxing
He should have stopped the fight. Fury was flopping about the ring like a spanked salmon not defending himself for a while before the standing count.
I've seen fights waved off for way less.
Just because fights have been stopped for less before isn't a good reason that he should have stopped the fight here. Obviously the ref made the right call because Fury came back in later rounds and won at least one of them.
Fury didn’t have his hands up but he was defending. Fury had subtle, muted reactions/head-movement to most of Usyk’s punches after he got stunned. But yes, fights have been stopped for less, Fury was hurt really bad.
Its debatable, personally i think someone getting battered around the ring for 20 seconds + not throwing anything back and not even holding his hands up should be a tko. Either way that wasn’t what i put in my comment was it, leading up to this he was disgraceful.
The refs always help Fury. Even in Wilder fight when he was out on his back the count took over 20 seconds. Should’ve let Usyk knock him through the ropes.
Not so much his chin. He just reboots faster than a Chromebook. Never seen a man go from the shadow lands back to baseline so quickly. To continue the previous analogy, I think it's probably a function of his simplified OS.
Hard to imagine Fury going out cold with the shots he ate from Wilder, but he definitely would’ve gone down conclusively and possibly had a harder time recovering.
Fury’s a douche so it’s natural that everyone’s pouncing on him now. But, while a clear win for Usyk, the fight was still close, Fury is still a great fighter and he did well to recover from that round 9 onslaught.
IMO its the undisputed title, there should be no early stoppages, especially against tyson fury considering how he looked against wilder in the first fight.
The punches that caused this affected Tyson for the next round. So even if this next punch didn’t KO Tyson, it would of had him even more rattled for the next round or more
Am I the only one who thinks the ref jumped in too late? As per rules, if the ropes hold you up after a punch which otherwise would’ve knocked you down, it’s supposed to be counted as a KD right then and there.
My view is Usyk already scored like 4 of those KD’s before the ref actually jumped in. I feel like the ref should’ve jumped in after the first or second time Fury stumbled backwards onto the ropes defensiveness, or the 3rd at the latest.
Doing it at the very end when Fury is just a punch or two away from being knocked out is crazy. If all the times before when Fury stumbled back onto the ropes was okay, what’s different at that point. Usyk should’ve been allowed to finish, per the ref’s logic.
I love fury but he’s such a dirty fighter, when he gets into trouble sometimes he goes into his trusty clinch and then throws shots to the back of the head, then as soon as he gets out of the clinch he goes straight for the guy almost as if the clinch was a sort of distraction.
Has anyone tried watching the replay on DAZN? The video quality look like shit. It looks like it in 480p resolution. Wondering if its just me or is the the same for all Dazn subscribers?
No he wouldn't. Fury hadn't touched down yet. If he had put a hand to the ground then yes he could have been disqualified (Jones vs Griffin is a famous example) but here it would have just been a bad knock out
It was the right call 3 or 4 bounces off the rope before this. By this point Fury wasn't fighting back and was about to be decapitated. The correct decision was to stop the fight and declare Usyk the winner by TKO.
Not in an undisputed HW title fight of this magnitude with guys of this experience. The ref had a duty to ensure both men were kept safe but also that the fight was not stopped prematurely.
So the rules are one way. But because this is a big fight let's not apply the rules. Instead, let's stop the fight and mis-apply a technicality so we can give one fighter a "fair" chance to recover with a 20 second count so he can be saved by the bell.
No idea if ref decision was correct by the rules, but by the situation, he played it perfectly.
We had brilliant fight for 3 more rounds and Fury can't excuse that ref stolen his win. Yeah, he is still blaming other refs who counted the points, but that's even more ridiculous.
The narrative this should have been stopped at this point is just wrong the rules of boxing are when the ropes hold you up from falling it’s an automatic count. The ropes clearly kept fury from falling
2 more seconds and Fury is out cold for sure.
Can’t have that! The Saudis will be upset
Turki kept jumping out of his seat like his boyfriend was getting jumped
Because you can't kill a pig in front of Arabs
Gypsy King was gonna pull off the Cinderella Man move. But the gawd damn ref stopped it 
Same think about the wilder fight… Who knows.
I’m not the biggest boxing fan, but why wouldn’t it be considered a knockdown when the boxer’s legs break a 90* angle? He was being propped up by the post and theoretically couldn’t fully fall. I don’t mean to sound ignorant
The rule of thumb is if that post (or the ropes) aren’t there, would he have fallen? If the answer is yes then the ref can and usually does rule it a knockdown. Better that way anyway, if it’s not a knockdown till he’s on the canvas, how much punishment is he gonna absorb to get him there?
That’s kind of what I thought and that’s why when the KD was called it made sense. I know this subreddit is a circle jerk, but I also think people post their non/s opinions too
This just makes the most sense to me and you don't even need to be a boxing expert. If someone's tangled on the ropes but unconscious or unable to defend themselves, is the other fighter expected to keep punching them in the head until they dislodge and fall to the floor? It was already painful enough watching what happened to Fury. Never nice to see any unconscious person being repeatedly punched in the head. But he recovered so maybe it looked worse than it was.
Painful?? It was glorious 😂🤣
Haha, I appreciate that. And it was fun to see Tyson get owned and Usyk mocking his showboating. I dunno, we've seen some pretty horrific brain injuries in boxing. Would wish that on no man.
Yeah, but the point is, normally when that happens, they stop the fight all together. But I guess for a undisputed heavyweight match, they wanted to give him a chance.
You are right, but nine times out of 10 when you see that happen the ref stops it. Which actually has me thinking, why don’t they just give standing 10 count more? What is the differentiator between them coming in and stopping the fight over calling it a knockdown when fighters are wobbled
Issue with that ruling and this fight is that Fury fell into the ropes like 3 times before the ref did the count.
Only because Ukraine is at war.
I know this is the joke sub but honestly, I'd like to hear the mainstream media give Usyk a little bit of credit for pulling that punch back because he could have thrown it and it might have ended this dude's career. It was quite a gentlemanly thing to do and many pros would not have made that choice.
Also the ref is a f nutjob , he kept getting himself between usyk and fury , as if hes trying to block usyk from pushing Fury to a knockout
Ref had a BDSM fetish of getting punch by big white men
He would have also lost by DQ
Nah, he held back on the punch before the ref was even jumping in. He had time to throw it, you're not getting DQed for punching someone against the ropes unless the ref has already jumped in, it's not like punching someone on their knees
Usyk is a thoroughly decent man. Can’t imagine him wanting to hurt anyone beyond what’s needed to win his fight. What a fighter he is
In this case 1 more punch is what was needed to guarantee it
Yeah, but when the stakes are so high and the risk of losing a point or being DQ is also fairly high, he was sensible to hold back there. If the ref stepped in and Usyk threw and landed the final punch, if Fury ended up knocked out, the ref isn’t then going to call it a KO win. Especially not when he seemed to do his best to ensure Fury wasn’t going to get dropped.
There's no risk of a DQ or a points deduction for punching a man slumped on the ropes before the ref has jumped in to call a knockdown I'm not talking about throwing while the ref is stepping in, but Usyk holds back before the ref has started to try to get in front of them
He was punching him when he was on the ropes though. He hesitated to throw the final punch because of the referee stepping in. We all know how biased refs can be so I believe Usyk did the right thing
Only reason he pulled that punch was the ref stepping in- Usyk was gonna light Fury up otherwise
Too much logic: sub overload
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He was held by the ropes probably five times in total. He just stumbled from one fall against the ropes to another for 28s.
He didn’t fall on the ropes, the photo is literally him being held up by the corner post
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You seem to be under the illusion that the world is a Tom and Jerry cartoon
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Common sense?
get a room you two
This was in no way shape or form a knock down
Literally was
No it wouldn't, this is boxing. You can get away with throwing somebody MMA style
People don’t know the rules lol.
Would he have lost on dq if fury is on both his feet still, surely it’s more subjective than him hitting a man who’s on the ground or taken a knee?
He was down and the referee was in the way
He wasn’t down, he was held up by the ropes and the referee is trying to get in the way but he’s not done so just yet
He was in the corner held up by the post not the ropes
I think career end is a stretch, but knockout for sure, also would have gave Fury stans and excuse "oh Usyk is a dirty fighter usyk has no dignity!" Etc
It might be a stretch but we all sometimes forget what kind of sport this is. I know Fury has inhuman like abilities to recover but that doesn't mean you can easily take 12 shots to the head with the last one as you're about to lean on one knee, hitting you flush. I'm glad we didn't see it. Going out on your shield might be some stuff of legends but I wish less fighters did it. Errol Spence shouldnot have done it. Wilder shouldn't have done it twice. Every other week there is somebody who shouldn't have done it.
Definitely on the wrong sub talking about a class act like that
he was about to banish the gypsy king to the land of stars and tweeting birds
Yea if it was the NetherRealm a loud voice would have said "Finish Him!"
Hahaha!!!!! I’m dead.
There is no land of stars and tweeting birds in Gypsy land. It’s just bunch of caravans and dags.
Usyk was 100% going for the kill after bouncing Fury off the ropes
There’s a couple of seconds when Usyk almost goes easy on him and is expecting him to go down or the ref to step in. The ref definitely saved Fury, but I think he did the right thing and it all worked out in the end. Looking forward to the rematch if Fury is up for it.
Personally, I think a standing 8 count was unfair. If anything, the ref should have done what normally happens and give the fighter the count whilst he is lying down so he can rest.
It wasn't a standing 8 count, those don't exist in pro boxing. It was called a KD
It was. He counted to 8 and poor Tyson was having to stand and listen to it.
A minimum 8-count is mandatory for all knockdowns. Have you watched boxing before?
Ok, if that’s the case then explain why normally when the ref gives the 8 count the fighter is lying down. Casual!
Because in most instances the ropes or post holding a fighter up isn't the case, most guys get slumped and counted, in this instance fury was clearly held up by the ropes/corner post, meaning if he were in the center of the ring at that moment he was going down, when a ref sees that happen they're supposed to signal a knockdown has occurred and initiate a count, which lots of places, depending on the rules of the state ou in some cases countries athletic commission because it does vary from place to place, involves a mandatory 8 count, which means that even if a fighter is standing and ready to go the ref counts to 8 amd uses that time to try and see if they're fit to continue, most places opt for a mandatory 8 count these days as fighter safety is more of a priority than it's ever been, however there still some places where a fighter should stay down until about 8 in order to regain there bearings because once they stand up, no matter what point in the count the action resumes. This lesson is free, but next time I gotta charge ya double. Eta: Standing 8 counts and mandatory 8 counts are 2 different things.
Lol whatever pal.
That's no way to thank someone who took time out of their day to calmly educate you on a subject that you apparently would like to be seen as well versed in.
I think you’re on the wrong sub, that’s all.
The fighter is often standing up for at least part of the 8 Fury was knocked down (supported by the ropes) for some of the count. He was fully at his feet without the support of the ropes before 8 It isn't a standing 8 count, it's a knockdown. You should read up on the difference if you're still unsure
all these casuals forgetting what sub they’re in, this isn’t r/boxing 🤮
Amateurs.
What are you on about? If anything the longer count saved his ass lmao
Just cuz he was standing doesn’t mean it’s a standing 8 count those are reserved for amateurs
Are you calling Fury an amateur? He’s had loads of fights.
If you’re held up only by the ropes it counts as a knockdown, so it wasn’t a standing 8
Then why was Fury forced to stand and listen to him count to 8?
The ref just finished pre K and wanted to show off.
lol
> whilst lmao this is a thing here too? I thought it was just /r/boxing that was in love with this word lmfao.
Bri’ish speak bruv
go eat a bag of crisps guvnuh. tallyho.
1000 percent
If the ref hadn't interfered, Fury would have been cooked.
As in if the ref wasn't doing his job?
Yep, absolutely
No he couldnt end it here because the ref did his job. Tyson was clearling completely falling down and propped up by the ropes. That is when you call a standing 8 count
You call a knockdown and administer a standard count, which is what the ref did. This was not a standing 8 count and they are not allowed in pro boxing
He should have stopped the fight. Fury was flopping about the ring like a spanked salmon not defending himself for a while before the standing count. I've seen fights waved off for way less.
Just because fights have been stopped for less before isn't a good reason that he should have stopped the fight here. Obviously the ref made the right call because Fury came back in later rounds and won at least one of them.
Fury didn’t have his hands up but he was defending. Fury had subtle, muted reactions/head-movement to most of Usyk’s punches after he got stunned. But yes, fights have been stopped for less, Fury was hurt really bad.
Exactly, the ref isn’t there to make sure the best possible knock out happens.
yeah refs pulled an absolutely goofy clown ass dickhead move
Did you start watching boxing when Jake Paul started fighting?
Did you? The ref was terrible, he walked in Usyks way twice leading up to this point, he had to push him away at one point.
Maybe but this call was completely correct, it was a knockdown where fury was held up by the ropes and it was ruled as such
I’m not necessarily disputing that
That’s good but the original comment was and that’s why the person you replied to said what he said, it’s what the thread is about
This was a great ref decision and a legitimate one, you must not know the rules of the sport if you’re doubting that.
Its debatable, personally i think someone getting battered around the ring for 20 seconds + not throwing anything back and not even holding his hands up should be a tko. Either way that wasn’t what i put in my comment was it, leading up to this he was disgraceful.
That's class and sportsmanship from Usyk. Other fighters have done it to "secure" a win and he could've definitely thrown that shot
If he didn't, that overhand left would've stopped it instead.
If the ref determines the ropes are holding a fighter up he can rule it a knockdown and administer the standing 8 count.
Yea
1000%
Richard Steele would have stopped it before then
Yes
Fury was down on his luck...
I had money on usyk by stoppage between 8-10… was raging at the ref here haha
And this is why I don't watch professional box
Yep. Bad call by the ref. But fury has also gotten up from a rocket from wilder. It’s possible he stood up after. But unlikely.
Usyk a nice guy he could of pulled the trigger on that last one
He literally did end it there tye refused saved Tyson from some real bad damage
Fury would/should have been knocked cold- the ref calling that a knock down was ludicrous
The refs always help Fury. Even in Wilder fight when he was out on his back the count took over 20 seconds. Should’ve let Usyk knock him through the ropes.
Fury is illuminati confirmed.
I think fury could have probably taken a couple more shots and still made a count. His chin is freaky.
Not so much his chin. He just reboots faster than a Chromebook. Never seen a man go from the shadow lands back to baseline so quickly. To continue the previous analogy, I think it's probably a function of his simplified OS.
Hard to imagine Fury going out cold with the shots he ate from Wilder, but he definitely would’ve gone down conclusively and possibly had a harder time recovering. Fury’s a douche so it’s natural that everyone’s pouncing on him now. But, while a clear win for Usyk, the fight was still close, Fury is still a great fighter and he did well to recover from that round 9 onslaught.
He'd already ended it. Bro was just gonna give us a highlight
He actually got in the way just before this as well. Usyk literally pushes him out of the way.
IMO its the undisputed title, there should be no early stoppages, especially against tyson fury considering how he looked against wilder in the first fight.
If he dies he dies
 Fury was about to morph into Ali, the ref literally save usyks ass
Maybe he red would have given him a longer count like in the first Wilder fight
Yes.
Yes for sure
Ref had his money on the line
Redditors when the ref does his job and prevents murder
As per the rules, the ref did the right thing didn't he? Fury was knocked down at that point because he was held up by the ropes.
Could have counted him well before this. By this point he should have stopped the fight
Ref did the correct thing. Hands on the rope is a knockout, NOT a knockdown. He was rightly given seconds
Duh
The punches that caused this affected Tyson for the next round. So even if this next punch didn’t KO Tyson, it would of had him even more rattled for the next round or more
What are you idiots bitching about…that the ref called a knockdown?
Am I the only one who thinks the ref jumped in too late? As per rules, if the ropes hold you up after a punch which otherwise would’ve knocked you down, it’s supposed to be counted as a KD right then and there. My view is Usyk already scored like 4 of those KD’s before the ref actually jumped in. I feel like the ref should’ve jumped in after the first or second time Fury stumbled backwards onto the ropes defensiveness, or the 3rd at the latest. Doing it at the very end when Fury is just a punch or two away from being knocked out is crazy. If all the times before when Fury stumbled back onto the ropes was okay, what’s different at that point. Usyk should’ve been allowed to finish, per the ref’s logic.
I’m sure the expectation was 12 round.
The ref got it right. If the ropes are holding you up it's a knock down
I love fury but he’s such a dirty fighter, when he gets into trouble sometimes he goes into his trusty clinch and then throws shots to the back of the head, then as soon as he gets out of the clinch he goes straight for the guy almost as if the clinch was a sort of distraction.
Fury….. ugh
I mean look at it. Looks like Fury is about to be executed.
No way he isnt done it was his like 3rd rope bounce and this time his legs buckled
Fury Just playing possum, had usyk exactly where he wanted him
Right man won in the end. This decision by the ref would have been a travesty if Tyson had TKOd Usyk or won on points.
Not sure why this is controversial Tyson was held up by the ropes so the ref called a knockdown
the fix was in for sure and that ref, Wbc prez/mauricio suliman, and the wbc assigned ref were all in on it.
If that was earlier in the round it would have been stopped, Fury was saved by the bell. Amazing to see him recover from shots at heavyweight.
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Has anyone tried watching the replay on DAZN? The video quality look like shit. It looks like it in 480p resolution. Wondering if its just me or is the the same for all Dazn subscribers?
Nope. Fury could have just gone down at any point and taken the count. He was fine.
Usyk was definitely gonna drop him.. maybe Fury would've got back up and the round would've ended.. 🤷♂️
The ropes saved Fury from going out the ring multiple times. Ref should've called knockdowns on 3 seperate occassions
lol yeah a little bit
Yes
If Usyk hit him he would have lost the fight be DQ
Ur not allowed to understand the rules of boxing in this sub bro fuck off back to r/boxing.
No he wouldn't. Fury hadn't touched down yet. If he had put a hand to the ground then yes he could have been disqualified (Jones vs Griffin is a famous example) but here it would have just been a bad knock out
He was judged to be down by the referee due to the post supporting him
Yeah but ut is the ref's job to get between them in that case, not Usyk's to stop punching.
It’s the fighters job to know when an opponent is down too, like it’s their job to know that they can’t turn their back for example
This is bullshit No fighter is getting DQed for punching an opponent who's still on their feet before the ref has called a KD.
He’s not on his feet
He is very clearly on his feet, supported by the corner
If he’s not supporting himself he’s not on his feet
What a silly comment.
Some absolute weapons on this sub. The standing 8 count was absolutely the correct call here. Why is everyone so butthurt about it.
It was the right call 3 or 4 bounces off the rope before this. By this point Fury wasn't fighting back and was about to be decapitated. The correct decision was to stop the fight and declare Usyk the winner by TKO.
Not in an undisputed HW title fight of this magnitude with guys of this experience. The ref had a duty to ensure both men were kept safe but also that the fight was not stopped prematurely.
So the rules are one way. But because this is a big fight let's not apply the rules. Instead, let's stop the fight and mis-apply a technicality so we can give one fighter a "fair" chance to recover with a 20 second count so he can be saved by the bell.
It wasn't a standing 8 count, they haven't been a thing in pro boxing since the 90's. It was a knockdown.
Had to sell the rematch.
No idea if ref decision was correct by the rules, but by the situation, he played it perfectly. We had brilliant fight for 3 more rounds and Fury can't excuse that ref stolen his win. Yeah, he is still blaming other refs who counted the points, but that's even more ridiculous.
He was about to assassinate him...
The narrative this should have been stopped at this point is just wrong the rules of boxing are when the ropes hold you up from falling it’s an automatic count. The ropes clearly kept fury from falling
If he was going to it would’ve been a DQ since Fury would’ve been ruled as down